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Re: [Talk-ko] The mailing list

2012-09-14 Thread Sang B. Han

You are right.

Koreans does not use mailing list. From the starting of Internet in
Korea, using portal or bbs for communication is very common.

However, the bigger problem is that OSM map is not usable compared
with commercial map. As you know and you can read Korean, map of daum
and naver is fantastic. So Koreans don't have need for improving OSM.
It is typical chicken or egg problem.

The other problem is we don't have basic data. As I know, other
country have basic data for making OSM. However, in Korea there is no
basic data. The reason is partly from 국립지리원. This orgranization is
operated by tax. Oddly, even If I wish to use very basic geographical
data for public, they want to pay money.

As for the Korean documentation, i had translated some materials for
OSM. However it seemed like that nobody used it abd i stopped it.

This email may be off topic.

Regards, Han from Algeria.

2012. 9. 6. 오전 11:13 Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com 작성:

Hello everyone,

It's nice to see some activity on the mailing list.

I am the list administrator, but I'm not in charge. I don't have any power-
just the power to delete the occasional spam message. :) There are
currently 35 members on the mailing list. I'd like to encourage more people
to use the mailing list and to discuss issues that crop up with mapping in
Korea.

I heard recently that Koreans generally don't use mailing lists, and because
of that they are unfamiliar with them and reluctant to use them. If this is
true I'd like to know how to get over that problem. Since this list was
created to talk about mapping in Korea I would really like Koreans to be
comfortable using it, since they are most familiar with the country and how
it should be represented on a map. There is also the issue that many of the
tools and much of the reference materials are not available in the Korean
language.

The map *is* usable now, and every day it gets better. I would love to see
more discussion and more collaboration. If you are bilingual in Korean and
English, please consider translating some messages on the mailing list as
they appear, or some material in the Wiki. There are also a few things that
I myself would like to talk about, so I will start a discussion in a later
message.

I am still enjoying mapping in Korea, and I hope you all are too.

Best wishes,

Andrew

여러분 안녕하세요? 메일링 리스트가 다시 활동을 보이고 있어서 다행입니다.

저는 메일링 리스트의 관리자입니다. 책임자는 아니라서 어떤 힘이 있는 것은 아니고, 가끔 등장하는 스팸 메시지를 지우는 권한이 있는
정도입니다.

메일링 리스트에는 현재 35명의 회원이 있습니다. 저는 보다 많은 사람들이 이 메일링 리스트를 사용할수 있도록 활성화 됐으면 하고,
한국에서 지도를 만들때 발생할 수 있는 문제들에 관해서도 의견을 나눌 수 있게 도와 드리고 싶습니다.

최근에 한국사람들이 메일리스트를 일반적으로 사용하지 않는다고 들었습니다. 메일링리스트가 생소하고 사용하기가 꺼려지기 때문인 것
같습니다. 이것이 사실이라면 그 문제점을 극복하는 방법을 알고 싶습니다.

이 메일링 리스트는 한국에서 지도를 만드는 것에 대해 이야기 하고자 할 목적으로 만들어졌기 때문에, 저는 정말로 한국사람들이 편안하게
사용할 수 있기를 바랍니다. 한국사람들은 한국을 가장 잘 알고 있기에 어떻게 지도가 그려져야 하는지도 더 잘 알고 있기 때문입니다.

한편, 많은 유용한 소프트웨어와 참고자료들이 한국어로 되어있지 않은 문제가 있는데, 메일링리스트를 통해 해결할 수도 있다고 생각합니다.

지도는 지금도 유용하게 쓸 수 있는 편이지만 나날이 더 좋아지고 있습니다. 저는 보다 더 많은 토론과 보다 더 많은 작업을 함께 하게
되기를 바랍니다.

만약 여러분이 한국어와 영어 두가지를 다 하실수 있으면 메일링 리스트 내의 메세지나 위키의 자료를 번역해 주셨으면 합니다. 저 자신도
얘기 나누고 싶은게 많습니다. 이는 다음 메세지에서 다시 얘기를 드리겠습니다. 저는 지금도 한국에서 지도만들기를 즐겨하고 있습니다. 더
많은 분들과 이 즐거움을 함께 나누고 싶습니다.

감사합니다.

앤드류 올림
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[talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

2012-09-14 Thread Michael Collinson

Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on 
this list.


I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already 
familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an 
interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a 
caching download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs 
every minute.  JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead 
of the London server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using 
it. For French and many European users it provides much better response. 
When you upload, then it sends your edit to London. It has been running 
for 6 months and appears to work correctly.


And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do 
things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.


So I asked Christian Quest, If there was interest, could they fund a 
similar server in the Philippines? and got a very positive response 
with the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding 
organisation and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of 
a) server(s), b) travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to 
train (perhaps not vital but good to create a working relationship) and 
c) funding to put it in a high availability data centre.


So, any interest?

In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way 
to build up a strong system administration team to complement the 
mapping community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the 
strongest in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used 
as a H.O.T server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is 
interested in getting involved there ... that might also improve the 
chances of funding.


Mike

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Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

2012-09-14 Thread maning sambale

Dear Mike,

Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
with the license change.

On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping
efforts. Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)

Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr

Maning Sambale (mobile)
On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:

Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
this list.

I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
interesting thing. OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
download/proxy upload server for editing. It down loads diffs every
minute. JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the
London server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For
French and many European users it provides much better response. When you
upload, then it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months
and appears to work correctly.

And then another thing: OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.

So I asked Christian Quest, If there was interest, could they fund a
similar server in the Philippines? and got a very positive response with
the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it
in a high availability data centre.

So, any interest?

In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
in Asia right now. I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.

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