Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 03.11.2012 00:14, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: From the dates, it looks like most of those are from the Haiti earthquake tracing, when Google allowed OSM to use its imagery for tracing. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Imagery_and_data_sources#Google_Imagery I didn't realize this. Still, there is a lot of data in the database with source=Google which is not in Haiti, which is obviously a copyright violation. Presumably this is the only time Google granted an exception? I strongly suggest to contact DWG and not try to do some clean-up action on your own. How certain are you that the source tag refers to the coordinate? Culd also be the phone number of a shop found by a google search, right? Each of these occurences has to be checked and the mapper contacted. I assume someone intending to copy data from google would not not set a source tag. So the places you found must be cases where the mapper believes it's OK to use that data. Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Operation Cowboy - 23. -25.11.
Hi everybody, I'd like to announce the fellow of the night of the living maps party: Operation cowboy : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_cowboy Guess what, this time it's about mapping the US :) The date is the weekend from 23.11 till Sunday, so everybody should have a chance to get a day, where he can join a local party. To make it more easy to get a room, I give you this announcement already today, even if there are still some todos (detailed mission statement, party map, logo, ...). So please still wait with an official announcement to the public, I bet we can fix this things next week. So if you like to *start a local party* , create a wiki page (or reuse the local user group page or your city page) and paste/adapt this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Operation_cowboy Cool mappers can add this button to the user page, too ;) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_OPC But hey, I would *need still some help* , to get all the things ready: 1. *Sponsoring* I already tried to contact OSMF but without an answer. Can anybody please ask them again, if they would donate a few bugs per local party, to attract organisers? Or what about the GIS-Companies around OSM, would they cater a party in their HQs? 2. *Social media* Is there anybody who likes to start further social channels as facebook etc? It's pretty simple, just to spread the things we post at Twitter and of course answer questions and present the project (create events ...). 3. *Wiki translation* Would be great if the wiki could be translated in other languages as well. (maybe you can recycle old NOTLM translations). Oh and fixing my low level english would be really nice ;) Later: Creating a thank you all poster with all teams or actually a video clip with animated edits and country music would be a great finale. If you have any questions/ideas, just post it. I think all general critics on armchair mapping or our choice of the target area would be better in a seperated topic, as the past showed, that they generate a lot of traffic. So I wish you good luck for finding an appreachated location and I'm happy looking towards our 2nd global mapping action :) cya, Matthias (user:!i!) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
I strongly suggest to contact DWG and not try to do some clean-up action on your own. How certain are you that the source tag refers to the coordinate? Culd also be the phone number of a shop found by a google search, right? Each of these occurences has to be checked and the mapper contacted. I assume someone intending to copy data from google would not not set a source tag. So the places you found must be cases where the mapper believes it's OK to use that data. I strongly suspect that most/all of these occurrences (other than the Haiti data) are copyright infringement. Is copying from Google search acceptable anyway? It seems to be mostly new users who are the offenders, and I discovered this because I have seen new users add data from Google in Toronto, with a source tag source=Google, and had to revert it. After searching in taginfo, I found all these other instances of data copied from Google, such as some data in Paris that was tagged as coming from Google Street View (I deleted it). I have contacted the Data Working Group, they ought to do a better job deleting the data than I can. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 03.11.2012 19:25, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: Is copying from Google search acceptable anyway? I say yes. Even this is inferior mapping like any kind of armchair mapping. Let's assume one enters website addresses and phone numbers of restaurants. Tagging phone= and website=. You are not copying any data from Google or a Google database. You use Google to look up factual data. Google returns a link to a website brought online by most likely the operator of the restaurant in my example here. That site lists the data. Please forward your question to the legal-talk mailing list for a better clarification, but my common sense says this can never be copyrighted data (it's factual data). Also too little to claim database rights. This still leaves the possibility that some user does copy from Google Maps. Not too easy for them. To my knowledge all big editors prevent users from using Google imagery as a background image. So without using modified versions it's not possible. I have doubts that beginner users are capable of doing so. As you mentioned StreetView: Using it to create a database is likely a violation of their TOS and OSM does not want this practice. In which way Google could have copyright or database rights on factual data derived from their imagery is still an open question. To discuss this more deeply better refer to legal-talk. Starting point for reading: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_in_deriving_from_aerial_photography Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Operation Cowboy - 23. -25.11.
I'm trying to organize one in the Tulsa area, using this Google eventhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c3ohfbgso96b1ahm1li1hba5aucto organize and promote it. On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de wrote: Hi everybody, I'd like to announce the fellow of the night of the living maps party: Operation cowboy : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Operation_cowboyhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_cowboy Guess what, this time it's about mapping the US :) The date is the weekend from 23.11 till Sunday, so everybody should have a chance to get a day, where he can join a local party. To make it more easy to get a room, I give you this announcement already today, even if there are still some todos (detailed mission statement, party map, logo, ...). So please still wait with an official announcement to the public, I bet we can fix this things next week. So if you like to *start a local party* , create a wiki page (or reuse the local user group page or your city page) and paste/adapt this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Template:Operation_cowboyhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Operation_cowboy Cool mappers can add this button to the user page, too ;) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Template:User_OPChttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_OPC But hey, I would *need still some help* , to get all the things ready: 1. *Sponsoring* I already tried to contact OSMF but without an answer. Can anybody please ask them again, if they would donate a few bugs per local party, to attract organisers? Or what about the GIS-Companies around OSM, would they cater a party in their HQs? 2. *Social media* Is there anybody who likes to start further social channels as facebook etc? It's pretty simple, just to spread the things we post at Twitter and of course answer questions and present the project (create events ...). 3. *Wiki translation* Would be great if the wiki could be translated in other languages as well. (maybe you can recycle old NOTLM translations). Oh and fixing my low level english would be really nice ;) Later: Creating a thank you all poster with all teams or actually a video clip with animated edits and country music would be a great finale. If you have any questions/ideas, just post it. I think all general critics on armchair mapping or our choice of the target area would be better in a seperated topic, as the past showed, that they generate a lot of traffic. So I wish you good luck for finding an appreachated location and I'm happy looking towards our 2nd global mapping action :) cya, Matthias (user:!i!) __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.dewrote: As you mentioned StreetView: Using it to create a database is likely a violation of their TOS and OSM does not want this practice. In which way Google could have copyright or database rights on factual data derived from their imagery is still an open question. To discuss this more deeply better refer to legal-talk. Starting point for reading: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Copyright_in_deriving_** from_aerial_photographyhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_in_deriving_from_aerial_photography Would it be acceptable to use Street View to aid your memory of local knowledge of the ground truth? Something that's on the tip of your brain and you have actually been there, but can't remember what a specific sign said? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 04/11/12 07:24, Paul Johnson wrote: Would it be acceptable to use Street View to aid your memory of local knowledge of the ground truth? Something that's on the tip of your brain and you have actually been there, but can't remember what a specific sign said? Next time, write it down or take a photo. For now, either get written permission from Google that you can use Streetview to populate their main mapping competitor's database, or go and check, or wait for someone else to check. We have decided that we want to be whiter-than-white, and not tiptoe through a legal minefield. Ian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Newish Kid on This Block
Hello all. Let me tell you a bit re what I'm doing (he sez, as though he really knows!) and invite suggestions. We have a free open source computer-aided dispatch application, targeted to teams/agencies with zero budgets for software of this nature, or who find that their needs just aren't met by commercial products. (It's Tickets by name, project site at www.ticketscad.org.) It's built using the usual open source suspects, PHP and MySql. Many downloads so far, with installations worldwide. Of special relevance here is that we have Google Maps as the current geo-spatial component. Justification is the usual one. Responding to the need to provide for operation under emergency conditions, we're planning to port Tickets to a mapping base that wd allow its use in situation where - at least temporarily - there's no Internet access; the maps/tiles/images wd need storage and accessibility local to the web server. OSM is clearly the solution here, given all of the above. Leaflet looks real good as the API, after spending some time looking hard at OpenLayers. The latter's size and complexity were overkill to our relatively straight-forward requirements. We have the basics working with Leaflet and locally-stored tile sets; a JS boolean sends the software to pull tiles from OSM. I'm aware of concerns re the latter, and we'll certainly honor those. Now a question: While our package currently includes functions for the users to download selected zoom and tiles extents from OSM for local storage, I'd like to be able to point US users at any available packaged tile sets, by county or state. (Ideally free, but a moderate cost might be acceptable.) I've poked around looking for such, but no joy so far. So, recommended sources? Th - th - th - that's it folks. Comments and suggestions invited, and certainly from anyone who's undertaken a similar task. Arnie Shore Tickets CAD Project Team Annapolis, MD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Newish Kid on This Block
Arnie Shore writes: We have the basics working with Leaflet and locally-stored tile sets; a JS boolean sends the software to pull tiles from OSM. I'm aware of concerns re the latter, and we'll certainly honor those. Have you looked at OSMAnd? It's an Android application which uses downloaded OSM data to render the map on the fly. It works CRAZY well on the Google Nexus 7 tablet. OSMAnd is open source, and supports plugins. So rather than struggle to make your website work well offline, why not write a plugin for OSMAnd which accomplishes the same thing? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 03.11.2012 19:25, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: Is copying from Google search acceptable anyway? I say yes. Even this is inferior mapping like any kind of armchair mapping. Let's assume one enters website addresses and phone numbers of restaurants. Tagging phone= and website=. You are not copying any data from Google or a Google database. You use Google to look up factual data. Google returns a link to a website brought online by most likely the operator of the restaurant in my example here. That site lists the data. Please forward your question to the legal-talk mailing list for a better clarification, but my common sense says this can never be copyrighted data (it's factual data). Also too little to claim database rights. This still leaves the possibility that some user does copy from Google Maps. Not too easy for them. To my knowledge all big editors prevent users from using Google imagery as a background image. So without using modified versions it's not possible. I have doubts that beginner users are capable of doing so. As you mentioned StreetView: Using it to create a database is likely a violation of their TOS and OSM does not want this practice. In which way Google could have copyright or database rights on factual data derived from their imagery is still an open question. To discuss this more deeply better refer to legal-talk. Starting point for reading: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_in_deriving_from_aerial_photography I am pretty sure that in most of these cases, users are copying from Google Maps or Google Street View and the data should be deleted. In many cases, the infringing data is something like a road name. This can't have come from a website which was found using Google Search, it has to have been copied from Google Maps. If a point of interest has its address and phone number copied from a website, shouldn't the source tag be source=website or something similar? The data was copied from the website, not from Google. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 03/11/2012 21:31, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: I am pretty sure that in most of these cases, users are copying from Google Maps or Google Street View and the data should be deleted. In many cases, the infringing data is something like a road name. I'm pretty sure that Google have actually said that's it's OK for us to use Street View images to check the occasional street-name, but not to do that on a mass scale. -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/11/2012 21:31, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: I am pretty sure that in most of these cases, users are copying from Google Maps or Google Street View and the data should be deleted. In many cases, the infringing data is something like a road name. I'm pretty sure that Google have actually said that's it's OK for us to use Street View images to check the occasional street-name, but not to do that on a mass scale. Unless Google has actually formally given OpenStreetMap a license to copy Street View for specific purposes, clearly stating the limits on what is or isn't allowed to be copied, we should not be copying Google Street View at all. We do not want any legally dubious data in the database. For the same reason, I think that deleting any data that has source=Google (except the Haiti data) would be prudent. Most of this data was obviously copied from Google Maps by new users who didn't know that this was not allowed. A small amount of the data could have conceivably been copied from some website that was found via Google Search, but I suspect most POIs with source=Google were simply lifted from Google Maps (not allowed). We are better off deleting a small amount of possibly infringing data, than being sued. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
The wiki says: If you find any acts Vandalism or illegal copying from sources and the user does not respond to messages you can contact the Data Working Group on the e-mail address d...@osmfoundation.org. You are now proposing to skip the messaging the user part and replacing it with assumptions. That is not a way to build a community. It also doesn't help in preventing people from making the same mistake again. Like the saying goes: Don't assume. It makes an ass out of you and me. -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On Saturday, November 3, 2012, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 04/11/12 07:24, Paul Johnson wrote: Would it be acceptable to use Street View to aid your memory of local knowledge of the ground truth? Something that's on the tip of your brain and you have actually been there, but can't remember what a specific sign said? Next time, write it down or take a photo. For now, either get written permission from Google that you can use Streetview to populate their main mapping competitor's database, or go and check, or wait for someone else to check. We have decided that we want to be whiter-than-white, and not tiptoe through a legal minefield. I understand that, but I mean as a memory aid for places you have actually been to. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Newish Kid on This Block
Arnie - I'm hoping OSMAnd answers your mail. If it doesn't, you may want to compare your Leaflet work with what the guys on osm-railsdev/osm-website have been doing integrating Leaflet recently. You may be able to offload some of your maintenance to what they've been working on, and share any nifty tricks you may have discovered. - Jeff On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Arnie Shore writes: We have the basics working with Leaflet and locally-stored tile sets; a JS boolean sends the software to pull tiles from OSM. I'm aware of concerns re the latter, and we'll certainly honor those. Have you looked at OSMAnd? It's an Android application which uses downloaded OSM data to render the map on the fly. It works CRAZY well on the Google Nexus 7 tablet. OSMAnd is open source, and supports plugins. So rather than struggle to make your website work well offline, why not write a plugin for OSMAnd which accomplishes the same thing? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
Steer wrote: I have been trying to find the accepted practise for mapping traffic lights where dual carriageways interest. There is much discussion on various sites, but most seems to be a bit old, and I’m not convinced I’ve found what is the latest accepted practise. I checked some intersections in Melbourne’s CBD, and the method I saw that I liked and thought the best was where there were 4 lights at the intersection, but they were not placed on the intersecting modes, but one node back “upstream” on each way. I think this is good because no matter which way you go through the intersection, you only pass one set of lights (rather than 2 if they were placed on the actual intersecting nodes). Any comments? I have always entered such traffic lights on dual carriageways in the way you describe. This is because: 1. The traffic light count along a section of road is then accurate, and 2. It's the accurate representation of what's on the ground. It lets us convey the significance of the stop lines associated with the lights. That's something we can't do with two-way traffic without compromising point 1. I have argued this position on previous occasions. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
And the only area it's done like this is in Melbourne. Cheers Ross On 03/11/12 17:03, John Henderson wrote: Steer wrote: I have been trying to find the accepted practise for mapping traffic lights where dual carriageways interest. There is much discussion on various sites, but most seems to be a bit old, and I’m not convinced I’ve found what is the latest accepted practise. I checked some intersections in Melbourne’s CBD, and the method I saw that I liked and thought the best was where there were 4 lights at the intersection, but they were not placed on the intersecting modes, but one node back “upstream” on each way. I think this is good because no matter which way you go through the intersection, you only pass one set of lights (rather than 2 if they were placed on the actual intersecting nodes). Any comments? I have always entered such traffic lights on dual carriageways in the way you describe. This is because: 1. The traffic light count along a section of road is then accurate, and 2. It's the accurate representation of what's on the ground. It lets us convey the significance of the stop lines associated with the lights. That's something we can't do with two-way traffic without compromising point 1. I have argued this position on previous occasions. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
On 3/11/2012 5:33 PM, John Henderson wrote: I checked some intersections in Melbourne’s CBD, and the method I saw that I liked and thought the best was where there were 4 lights at the intersection, but they were not placed on the intersecting modes, but one node back “upstream” on each way. I think this is good because no matter which way you go through the intersection, you only pass one set of lights (rather than 2 if they were placed on the actual intersecting nodes). I read it and liked it but then poked around near me but found that traffic signals where a divided road meets and undivided road, the undivided road gets a count of two. You could put the undivided (two ray) road traffic signals in the centre of the intersection but that starts to look pretty strange. Which then leads us to possible accusations of mapping for the routing renderer. Strictly speaking the traffic lights are things on poles placed on traffic islands as well as overhead gantries. Should we be tagging the physical object, ie. the signal rather than its effect which is most pronounced at the stop-line? Another thought would be to tag the stopline with a direction tag to hint the renderer that a vehicle would stop here moving in a particular direction..starts to get complicated. What about wig-wags outside fire-stations or supplementary traffic signals applied to a level crossing. Starts to get tricky.. Still worth thinking about... Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
On 03/11/12 18:03, John Henderson wrote: 2. It's the accurate representation of what's on the ground. It lets us convey the significance of the stop lines associated with the lights. That's something we can't do with two-way traffic without compromising point 1. Mapping is choosing a representation of what is on the ground. By choosing to place traffic light not on the intersection node, you are failing to represent that this is an intersection of two roads, controlled by traffic signals. Instead you are choosing to represent There is a stop line here and traffic signal and further on there is an intersection. So, ideally we should have a rich enough mapping set to allow us to indicate both. However, since we can currently represent only one, I currently feel that it is far more important to indicate that the intersection is controlled, than the location of the traffic signals, or an accurate count of traffic signals. This is especially true, since in the general case (non-dual carriageway) we can't represent these things anyway. So, even if we favour the stop line location/traffic signal count method, it will always be wrong and unreliable. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
On 04/11/12 07:29, Ian Sergeant wrote: By choosing to place traffic light not on the intersection node, you are failing to represent that this is an intersection of two roads, controlled by traffic signals. Instead you are choosing to represent There is a stop line here and traffic signal and further on there is an intersection. We have different intuitions about what's important here. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] 4WD only tags
Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags. By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the issue. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4WD only tags
Li, I beg to differ. While I agree that grading of a 4x4 track is subjective, so is much of the other data in the OSM database. Must be that way. The real issue is how important the data is. As I have mentioned, I am concerned that maps are being rendered that ignore this data. Routing engines are potentially sending people down roads that they, and their vehicles are ill suited to. Bad things will definitely happen. The routing people are saying but these tags don't even show on the OSM maps, why should we worry ?. And as to subjective, while there will always be borderline cases, I don't think it would be too hard to divide tracks up into - * 4x4 recommended - you will might be OK in a conventional car or (better still) an SUV but you have been warned. * 4x4 required - you really need a stock 4x4, a real one with (eg) low ratio. * 4x4 extreme - this is for the death or glory boys, they need experience and modified vehicles. This is a recent addition ! I am pretty sure that if you and I spent a couple of weeks having some driving fun, we'd agree on the vast majority of the tracks we graded. David - Original Message - From: Li Xia To:David Bannon Cc:OSM Australian Talk List Sent:Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:22 +1100 Subject:4WD only tags Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags. By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the issue. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4WD only tags
David, When we first proposed (and started using) the 4wd_only tag, there was a lot of pushback from people who complained that it was not a verifiable tag. Track type had the same response. We were able to show them that there are signs all over Australia that say 4WD only at the start of a road. I think you'll get a lot of reaction trying to add levels of 4WD required where there are no signs to point at. Feel free to advocate it, though, and to tag that way. If enough people tag things in a certain way, that's the surest way of setting a standard. Stephen On 4 November 2012 13:41, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Li, I beg to differ. While I agree that grading of a 4x4 track is subjective, so is much of the other data in the OSM database. Must be that way. The real issue is how important the data is. As I have mentioned, I am concerned that maps are being rendered that ignore this data. Routing engines are potentially sending people down roads that they, and their vehicles are ill suited to. Bad things will definitely happen. The routing people are saying but these tags don't even show on the OSM maps, why should we worry ?. And as to subjective, while there will always be borderline cases, I don't think it would be too hard to divide tracks up into - * 4x4 recommended - you will might be OK in a conventional car or (better still) an SUV but you have been warned. * 4x4 required - you really need a stock 4x4, a real one with (eg) low ratio. * 4x4 extreme - this is for the death or glory boys, they need experience and modified vehicles. This is a recent addition ! I am pretty sure that if you and I spent a couple of weeks having some driving fun, we'd agree on the vast majority of the tracks we graded. David - Original Message - From: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com To: David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net Cc: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:22 +1100 Subject: 4WD only tags Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags. By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the issue. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Progresso remapeamento IBGE
Olá, Para quem não seguiu as últimas mensagens da lista sobre esse assunto, o traçado no OSM de várias estradas do Brasil foram criadas em 2009 à partir de dados do IBGE. Infelizmente, esses traçados tem uma precisão péssima: não é raro achar vias distantes de centenas de metros da sua posição real. Faz já alguns meses, eu estou monitorando o progresso do remapeamento dessas vias e contribuindo com o remapeamento de uma boa parte delas. Desde a primeira vez que eu escrevi sobre esse assunto nesta lista houve um bom progresso: a imagem em anexo mostra em cinza as vias que já foram remapeadas e em amarelo as que ainda faltam. A situação dos diferentes estados varia bastante: GO: Precisa-se de voluntários! A grande maioria das estradas ainda está tal como foram importadas do IBGE. Além disso, é uma região onde a cobertura em imagens aéreas do Bing é muito boa. RS/SC: Curiosamente, apesar de estarem entre os estados do Brasil com os melhores mapas no OSM, ainda restam várias estradas a serem remapeadas com boa cobertura Bing... RN/PB/SP/MG/PR/RJ/AM/PA: A grande maioria das vias com boa imageria ou com traços GPS já foi remapeada. MS: Ainda resta bastante a remapear e a cobertura de imagens do Bing é boa. Outros estados: Ainda resta bastante estradas à serem remapeadas, mas a cobertura do Bing deixa a desejar. Para quem quiser baixar o arquivo OSM com as vias que faltam, o endereço é http://sites.google.com/site/vsessak/IBGE_nao_modificado5.osm.gz . []'s, -Vitor attachment: remapeamento.gif___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Operation Cowboy - 23.-25.11
Guten Morgen liebe Liste, ich möchte die Gelegenheit nutzen, um euch auf den Nachfolger der NOTLM-Party bekannt zu geben: Operation Cowboy http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_cowboy Ja, ihr vermutet richtig, diesmal geht es um Amerika :) Sie wird Ende des Monats stattfinden und umfasst die Termine vom 23.11 bis zum Sonntag des Wochenendes. So findet hoffentlich jeder einen Termin, wo er sich einbringen kann. Damit die Räume diesmal längerfristiger besorgt werden können, gebe ich einfach jetzt schon Bescheid, obwohl noch einige Sachen ausstehen (klare Mission, Karte, Logo, ...). Daher das ganze bitte auch noch nicht so doll nach außen bewerben, dass sollten wir alles kommende Woche noch behoben kriegen. Wer nun also eine kleine *lokale Party organisieren* will, der erstellt eine Wikiseite, oder pappt das einfach auf die Seite des Stammtisches/Ort: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Operation_cowboy Ganz coole können sich noch so einen Sticker auf die Nutzerseite packen ;) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_OPC Ich würde auch noch etwas *Hilfe benötigen* , das wäre echt super, wenn wir das ein wenig aufteilen könnten 1. *FOSSGIS Sponsoring* Ich hatte die zwar kontaktiert, aber es kam keine Antwort. Könnte da jemand nachhaken, ob die ein zweites Mal noch etwas Geld für die Parties spenden könnten? Wenn nicht, würde jemand probieren (OSM-/GIS-)Firmen dafür zu gewinnen? (gerne auch das die selbst bei sich Parties veranstalten) 2. *Social Media Kanäle* Hat jemand von euch Lust noch ein paar weitere Kanäle wie Facebook zu betreuen? Wäre nur die Sachen, die ich auf Twitter verbreite, dort auch zu kommunizieren und natürlich auf Fragen zu reagieren und zu moderieren (Veranstaltung anlegen etc.) 3. *Wiki übersetzen* Könntet ihr die Seite bitte ins deutsche übersetzen? Gerne auch weitere Sprachen und mein komisches Englisch verbessern ;) Später: Ein Dankeschön Poster mit all den Teams erstellen, oder kann jemand vielleicht sogar Videoschnitt? Dann wäre vielleicht eine Animation mit Country-Musik ne feine Sache :) Solltet ihr Fragen/Ideen haben, immer her damit. Ich denke allgemeine Kritik an Luftbilder tracen oder der Auswahl des Zielgebietes wäre in einem eigenen Thread besser aufgehoben, da sie erfahrungsgemäß etwas intensiver diskutiert werden. Dann wünsche ich euch schon mal viel Erfolg bei der Suche nach einer Lokalität und freue mich schon auf die 2. globale Mapping-Aktion :) Gruß, Matthias (user:!i!) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: Warum kann ich das nicht mit OSM haben? Eventuell weil OSM in erster Linie ein Projekt zur Sammlung von Geodaten ist und eben kein kostenfreier Ersatz für Google maps? Ich bin es ehrlich gesagt langsam leid Postings in der Art Google kann das und das, warum können wir das nicht zu lesen. Die Antwort ist extrem einfach und liegt am Funktionsprinzip freier Software (und um die geht es hier im Kern, nicht um OSM): Freie Software entsteht in der Regel dann, wenn jemand etwas selbst braucht, programmiert und freundlicherweise unter eine freie Lizenz stellt. Ggf, auch dann wenn jemand als Auftragsarbeit freie Software neu- oder weiterentwickeln darf. Mit dem deutschen FOSSGIS e.V. und international OSGeo gibt es Vereine die die Entstehung von mehr freier Software im GIS Bereich fördern. Freie Software entsteht nunmal nicht durch Bussinesspläne und schon gar nicht dadurch, dass jemand auf OSM Listen rumheult, dass es sowas nicht gibt. Wenn man eine Freie Software braucht, die es noch nicht gibt, dann hilft nur eines: Selber schreiben! (bzw. schreiben lassen, wenn man selber nicht programmieren kann). Ich finde es ehrlich gesagt schon erstaunlich wie viele wirklich brauchbare freie Software es bereits gibt. Gruss Sven -- Das Internet ist kein rechtsfreier Raum, das Internet ist aber auch kein bürgerrechtsfreier Raum. (Wolfgang Wieland Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Operation Cowboy - 23.-25.11
Matthias Meißer schrieb: 1. *FOSSGIS Sponsoring* Ich hatte die zwar kontaktiert, aber es kam keine Antwort. Könnte da jemand nachhaken, ob die ein zweites Mal noch etwas Geld für die Parties spenden könnten? Wenn nicht, würde jemand probieren (OSM-/GIS-)Firmen dafür zu gewinnen? (gerne auch das die selbst bei sich Parties veranstalten) Der FOSSGIS verwaltet auch Gelder, die für OSM an ihn gespendet oder sonstwie angewiesen werden. Daher würde der FOSSGIS nicht an OSM spenden, sondern OSM-Gelder für OSM-Zwecke herausgeben. Wer allerdings entscheidet, welche Sachen finanziert werden, kann ich dir nicht sagen. Gruß Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 03.11.2012 12:44, schrieb Sven Geggus: Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: Warum kann ich das nicht mit OSM haben? Freie Software entsteht nunmal nicht durch Bussinesspläne und schon gar nicht dadurch, dass jemand auf OSM Listen rumheult, dass es sowas nicht gibt. Wenn man eine Freie Software braucht, die es noch nicht gibt, dann hilft nur eines: Selber schreiben! +1 oder besser +5 MfG Angie - -- - --BEGIN H*KEY BLOCK- v4sw5CPUhw5pr5FPck2ma8u7Lw3XGm1l7ELi3JNTe7t4TNDVb5Oen5g3/2ZMa5XsSr1p md575107a5d52c10f952288d17f2df7af632 - ---END H*KEY BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCVRvQACgkQbWutCqbzQO1CZQCeMsK5ZSTFu20nROJ5sVUbYWj6 Ok8An012IsookBojygzn4rcUqAgsJaqu =yAPA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Am 02.11.2012 16:16, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: ein guter Freund von mir OSer mit Leib und Seele, seine Frau eine Bienenfreundin kommt zu mir und klagt http://www.friendsofthebees.org/bee-friendly-zones-map/ Warum kann ich das nicht mit OSM haben? Wieso sollte man das nicht mit OSM machen können? Was konkret ist da dran das wer meinen könnte das ginge nicht? Das ist doch mit OSM + z.B. OpenLayer einfach machbar. Ist nicht viel dran. Icons mit bienenstockbildern, wenn zu dicht dann clustern. Dann die 'Datenbank' dahinter. Nix OSM spezifisches. Eigenlich gar nix, die Tiles könnten auch von Google kommen, also nur z.B. OpenLayer. [Also off topic:-) ] Der Freund muß dann halt Javascript etwas können, sich mit (z.B.) OpenLayer auseinandersetzen, und bischen gucken wie diverse andere Dienste sowas ähnliches mit OpenLayer umsetzen. Sollte man als 'OSler mit Leib und Seele' können (ausser man ist nur Nutzer, also mal Ubuntu installiert reicht als 'Computerkenntnisse' nicht aus) Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
On 02.11.2012 16:16, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: ein guter Freund von mir OSer mit Leib und Seele, seine Frau eine Bienenfreundin kommt zu mir und klagt http://www.friendsofthebees.org/bee-friendly-zones-map/ Warum kann ich das nicht mit OSM haben? was genau wäre denn das? * Einfach nur OSM statt Google Kacheln als Hintergrund? = kein Problem, einfach nur ~3 Zeilen Javascript und man kann auch mit dem Google-API das dort benutzt wird OSM-Kacheln einbinden * geclusterte Marker, also entsprechende Sammel-Zähler statt Einzelmarker je nach Zoomstufe? = nicht direkt ein OSM-Problem (die Daten liegen ja nur über den Kartenkacheln), aber sowohl für OpenLayers (direkt enthalten) als auch für LeafLet (als Plugin/Extension) bieten die entsprechenden Mechanismen an, freie Alternativen zum Google-API existieren hier also * jemand der mir sowas implementiert = siehe zB. Antwort von Sven ... PS: allerliebst ist ja die manuelle Koordinateneingabe für neue Einträge, *das* geht in jedem der drei APIs besser ... ;) -- hartmut ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Lieber Sven, Am 3. November 2012 12:44 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: Warum kann ich das nicht mit OSM haben? Eventuell weil OSM in erster Linie ein Projekt zur Sammlung von Geodaten ist und eben kein kostenfreier Ersatz für Google maps? und was willst Du mir damit sagen? Ich bin es ehrlich gesagt langsam leid Postings in der Art Google kann das und das, warum können wir das nicht zu lesen. Du kannst sicher sein, dass dies meine letzte Frage hier gewesen ist ... wobei es nicht einmal meine Frage war, sondern die eines Freundes, die ich nicht beantworten konnte. Die Antwort ist extrem einfach und liegt am Funktionsprinzip freier Software (und um die geht es hier im Kern, nicht um OSM): Freie Software entsteht in der Regel dann, wenn jemand etwas selbst braucht, programmiert und freundlicherweise unter eine freie Lizenz stellt. Ggf, auch dann wenn jemand als Auftragsarbeit freie Software neu- oder weiterentwickeln darf. Die Zeit mir das zu erklären hättest Du Dir sparen können. Ich habe schon freie Software geschrieben, da warst Du wahrscheinlich noch in den Windeln. Mit dem deutschen FOSSGIS e.V. und international OSGeo gibt es Vereine die die Entstehung von mehr freier Software im GIS Bereich fördern. Freie Software entsteht nunmal nicht durch Bussinesspläne und schon gar nicht dadurch, dass jemand auf OSM Listen rumheult, dass es sowas nicht gibt. Es war eine Frage, nicht mehr. Dein arroganter agressiver Ton geht mir massiv auf die N. Wenn man eine Freie Software braucht, die es noch nicht gibt, dann hilft nur eines: Selber schreiben! (bzw. schreiben lassen, wenn man selber nicht programmieren kann). Siehe oben! Ich finde es ehrlich gesagt schon erstaunlich wie viele wirklich brauchbare freie Software es bereits gibt. richtig ... und ich habe dazu auch meinen Teil beigetragen. Aber sowas - wie hier - muss ich mir nicht mehr antun. Tschüss M. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo Manfred, wenn du dir meine Antwort angesehen hast, die ja in etwa das macht was du willst, dann denke ich dass Simone der beste Ansprechpartner dafür ist. Grafiken austauschen und das Clustering ändern, dann passt das. Liebe Grüße Benjamin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQlVrnAAoJEIOT6OPgwwXByIUQAIYquNvlJiEvg6AF51ykqwps KV1IL7zMnjBZ/8aQh2S8xGu+m0oqtB58tNlL6pux6OG/GLsknuQMVgt146GzwKKr A0GDMriTziwmKDdzhYi69iVQB4B10158Cn+s76wsjX9HslRzhaAi08t0zG506Q/X 4nbHuLwv01yHekgMfMSBxnn6wd4n3NF0xm11V5dwFjFoiBnDctWl1PPtBAA5vVn8 QAa2N6R8XQ/oj1+F4l9f4Imte98FrFje360PBpwn+/4+LnvLm6Kw4HkVbfyDWA/F nSTsP9KFGCEbJLVNI0JSzf9AOMIM20qjLAZQOLZzJ7TyU6FK9MoetdGOZKgKdH4P a4V8GRyCFey/Ucr2llPKykUBYf6vmckD5miispa2ab/Ap3DmPAXfVeJohx4oS9Rj ugp99FlUVLI8Izwb5nqtnfYtvEsjwxnM5jSIIvt8hrwH4vOICbCRWOJIPH6yj2zy Oy1uvKwAojnCiPdAg8QvFIk9lHbc6/e4mavT3fdFWI6cln+OfA5TTUSGeTpa8X8E oQyulQfXTvG6zPe7u6vCDP+NPfeqK9FTtsYPZFML96/3h7z0G+h1cNk3eSKh9YkA WBt9URV7vn3YlQYxx9LfJAjuqMmsP0LQ1Wy+9VEEe6E+NOkD195nviCiAluCuj9f 2jmepKGSfaSYxJrl3xcZ =r/Bd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Hallo Peter, Am 3. November 2012 18:08 schrieb Peter peter@gmx.net: Am 02.11.2012 16:16, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: ein guter Freund von mir OSer mit Leib und Seele, seine Frau eine Bienenfreundin kommt zu mir und klagt http://www.friendsofthebees.**org/bee-friendly-zones-map/http://www.friendsofthebees.org/bee-friendly-zones-map/ Warum kann ich das nicht mit OSM haben? Wieso sollte man das nicht mit OSM machen können? Was konkret ist da dran das wer meinen könnte das ginge nicht? [...] auch von Google kommen, also nur z.B. OpenLayer. [Also off topic:-) ] Der Freund muß dann halt Javascript etwas können, kann er sich mit (z.B.) OpenLayer auseinandersetzen, und bischen gucken wie diverse andere Dienste sowas ähnliches mit OpenLayer umsetzen. Sollte man als 'OSler mit Leib und Seele' können (ausser man ist nur Nutzer, also mal Ubuntu installiert reicht als 'Computerkenntnisse' nicht aus) ne, ne, mit den Hinweisen kommt er sicher klar. Danke für die konstruktive Antwort. Ich bin aber trotzdem hier raus. ;-) LG M. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Am 03.11.2012 12:44, schrieb Sven Geggus: Ich bin es ehrlich gesagt langsam leid Postings in der Art Google kann das und das, warum können wir das nicht zu lesen. Und ich bin es leid, dass eine Frage, ein Bugreport oder ein Featurerequest als dreiste Forderung oder persönliche Kränkung aufgefasst wird. Freie Software entsteht in der Regel dann, wenn jemand etwas selbst braucht, programmiert und freundlicherweise unter eine freie Lizenz stellt. Ggf, auch dann wenn jemand als Auftragsarbeit freie Software neu- oder weiterentwickeln darf. Ja, es gibt den klassischen scratch your own itch-Entwickler. Aber das ist sicher nicht die einzige Motivation für die unbezahlte Entwicklung an Open Source. Die meisten bauen nämlich gerne auch Features in ihre Programme ein, die _andere_ benötigen. Das betrifft nicht mal nur Software: OSM würde wohl überhaupt nicht in der heutigen Form existieren, wenn jeder nur seinen Eigenbedarf decken würde. Ich brauche eigentlich keine Karte von meiner eigenen Stadt: Da kenne ich mich aus. Ich brauche eine Karte von _deiner_ Stadt. Ich werde jedenfalls weiterhin darauf hinweisen - durch Diskussionen in Listen und Foren, Taggingvorschläge oder auf anderem Wege - wenn ich mir bestimmte Daten in OSM wünsche, sei es als Mapper, Kartennutzer oder für meine Entwicklungsarbeit. Und das, obwohl mir klar ist, dass wir alle diese Daten in unserer Freizeit erfassen und nicht auf Bestellung ausrücken müssen. Umgekehrt hoffe ich, dass Nutzer mir auch weiterhin mitteilen, wenn sie ein Feature in Programmen vermissen, die ich entwickle. Wie die Mapper entscheide zwar auch ich letztlich selber, ob ich meine Freizeit dann dafür einsetze. Aber Ideen, Anwendungsszenarien und Wünsche sind immer willkommen. Gruß, Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Am 03.11.2012 um 19:12 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Am 03.11.2012 12:44, schrieb Sven Geggus: Ich bin es ehrlich gesagt langsam leid Postings in der Art Google kann das und das, warum können wir das nicht zu lesen. Und ich bin es leid, dass eine Frage, ein Bugreport oder ein Featurerequest als dreiste Forderung oder persönliche Kränkung aufgefasst wird. Freie Software entsteht in der Regel dann, wenn jemand etwas selbst braucht, programmiert und freundlicherweise unter eine freie Lizenz stellt. Ggf, auch dann wenn jemand als Auftragsarbeit freie Software neu- oder weiterentwickeln darf. Ja, es gibt den klassischen scratch your own itch-Entwickler. Aber das ist sicher nicht die einzige Motivation für die unbezahlte Entwicklung an Open Source. Die meisten bauen nämlich gerne auch Features in ihre Programme ein, die _andere_ benötigen. Das betrifft nicht mal nur Software: OSM würde wohl überhaupt nicht in der heutigen Form existieren, wenn jeder nur seinen Eigenbedarf decken würde. Ich brauche eigentlich keine Karte von meiner eigenen Stadt: Da kenne ich mich aus. Ich brauche eine Karte von _deiner_ Stadt. Ich werde jedenfalls weiterhin darauf hinweisen - durch Diskussionen in Listen und Foren, Taggingvorschläge oder auf anderem Wege - wenn ich mir bestimmte Daten in OSM wünsche, sei es als Mapper, Kartennutzer oder für meine Entwicklungsarbeit. Und das, obwohl mir klar ist, dass wir alle diese Daten in unserer Freizeit erfassen und nicht auf Bestellung ausrücken müssen. Umgekehrt hoffe ich, dass Nutzer mir auch weiterhin mitteilen, wenn sie ein Feature in Programmen vermissen, die ich entwickle. Wie die Mapper entscheide zwar auch ich letztlich selber, ob ich meine Freizeit dann dafür einsetze. Aber Ideen, Anwendungsszenarien und Wünsche sind immer willkommen. +5 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wasserpfeifen Lounge taggen
Am 02.11.2012 15:34, schrieb René Falk: Hallo zusammen, hat hier schon mal jemand eine Shisha Lounge eingetragen? Shisha = Wasserpfeife Meist ein Zwischending aus Cafe und Bar plus Konsumierung von Wasserpfeifen. Beispiele wären schön. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Gibt es noch nicht viele eingetragenen. Am ehesten findet man noch die Eintragungskombination Amenity=bar; shisha=yes (oder in Amerika hookah=yes). Drückt es halt generell ein wenig schlecht aus. Verglichen mit Smoking=yes, würde es nur bedeuten, dass sie erlaubt wären, nicht aber, dass sie angeboten werden. LG Jimmy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wasserpfeifen Lounge taggen
On 03.11.2012 20:57, Jimmy_K wrote: Gibt es noch nicht viele eingetragenen. Am ehesten findet man noch die Eintragungskombination Amenity=bar; shisha=yes (oder in Amerika hookah=yes). Drückt es halt generell ein wenig schlecht aus. Verglichen mit Smoking=yes, würde es nur bedeuten, dass sie erlaubt wären, nicht aber, dass sie angeboten werden. Was ist an shisha=yes schlecht? Gibt es dort nur Wasserpfeife oder kann man auch andere Sachen bekommen die es in einer Bar üblicherweise gibt? Also z.B. Getränke? Falls ja, dann ist das doch eine spezielle Art einer Bar, damit wäre ein subtyp-Tagging ganz gut. Wer ganz allgemein einen Platz sucht bei dem er was zu Trinken bekommt findet es über den Hauptschlüssel. Und wer etwas spezielles sucht, der schaut nach dem shisha=yes. So wie wheelchair=yes aussagt, dass dort ein Rollstuhlfahrer klarkommt sagt ein shisha=yes aus dass dort geraucht werden kann weil vermutlich die Zutaten dort vorhanden sind. Und falls es wirklich Plätze geben sollte wo das Rauchen zwar erlaubt ist, man aber seine eigene Pfeife mitbringen muss dann kannst du das ja auch taggen: shisha=bring_your_own Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
In merito a: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato a seguito di un mio piccolo import di una area mancante http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13726023 mi giunge un messaggio da parte di d...@osmfoundation.org dove mi (impone) di fare import solo da un utente: The import guidelines require that imports be done from a dedicated account E di evitare il tag: source= Regione Emilia Romagna A favore di source=account_imported Dunque: - lo scorso anno ho importato tutta la zona sud della provincia di Modena e mai nessuno mi ha notificato di aver commesso errori - mi pare che tutto limport effettuato sui dati resi disponibili dalla regione Emilia Romagna riportino il tag: source= Regione Emilia Romagna - nella guida di riferimento: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato non si citi la necessità di un account dedicato. Che ne dite? Bisogna forse sospendere limport dei dati? Saluti Beppe ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Puoi postare il msg completo? Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 03/nov/2012 08:37, Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it ha scritto: In merito a: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato ** ** a seguito di un mio piccolo import di una area mancante ** ** http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13726023 ** ** mi giunge un messaggio da parte di d...@osmfoundation.org ** ** dove mi (impone) di fare import solo da un utente: “The import guidelines require that imports be done from a dedicated account” E di evitare il tag: source= Regione Emilia Romagna A favore di source=account_imported ** ** Dunque: **- **lo scorso anno ho importato tutta la zona sud della provincia di Modena e mai nessuno mi ha notificato di aver commesso errori **- **mi pare che tutto l’import effettuato sui dati resi disponibili dalla regione Emilia Romagna riportino il tag: source= Regione Emilia Romagna **- **nella guida di riferimento: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato non si citi la necessità di un account dedicato. ** ** Che ne dite? Bisogna forse sospendere l’import dei dati? ** ** Saluti Beppe ** ** ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
On sab, 2012-11-03 at 08:35 +0100, Giuseppe Amici wrote: Che ne dite? Bisogna forse sospendere l'import dei dati? Non so che azione consigliarti, probabilmente ti conviene usare un account apposito per l'import: ci sono state alcune discussioni CHILOMETRICHE sulla lista talk internazionale perché 1) senza discussione, l'account dedicato per gli import è diventato obbligatorio 2) per vari motivi i francesi non lo vogliono fare e molti altri aspetti della cosa, tipo 3) come si definisce CHIARAMENTE quando un import sia o meno meccanico 4) chi/come stabilisce le linee guida e quando esse sono vincolanti Alcune delle discussioni http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/tomQkW07HZ6VXVKIBWDL http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/tomQksNcpyoNLkczAywq http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/tomQkgh7rFZ62yrzvCbt http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/tomQkjKsdcCl9ARZyBxs -- CONTACTS http://tracciabi.li/~bruno/contacts.html 2nd email br...@tracciabi.li GNU/Linux registered user #121507 http://linuxcounter.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Dubbio relazione boundary
Il giorno venerdì 2 novembre 2012, Milani Alessio ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, sstemando i confini comunali della provincia di Venezia sono incappato in una situazione mai affrontata prima: il comune di Caorle è attraversato da una lingua di terra ricadente sotto l'amministrazione di un altro comune (San Stino di Livenza) vedendo il suo territorio diviso in due metà totalmente dal punto di vista fisico [1]. Come gestire la situazione? Due relazioni distinte sotto una relazione madre? Qui in Versilia succede una cosa simile con Pietrasanta, il cui confine comunale è diviso a metà. Mi pare che siano state impostate due relazioni singole, senza una super-relazione, (e osmi non segnala errori) ma la tua opzione non mi dispiace, sentiamo anche altri pareri... Un altro esempio ancor più eclatante è San Pellegrino in Alpe, al confine tra toscana e emilia, che ha al suo interno un poligono appartenente all'emilia (e sul posto ci sono anche delle targhe in ottone sui muri, che indicano tale confine) Stefano Ciao e grazie Alessio [1 http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_of_comune_of_Caorle_%28province_of_Venice,_region_Veneto,_Italy%29.svgpage=1 ] ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org javascript:; http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Dubbio relazione boundary
e anche in Primiero, Trentino: http://osm.org/go/0IFn5v~Q- Alcuni comuni hanno delle exclave, completamente separate dal territorio comunale, presumo per ragioni storiche, relative agli alpeggi d'alta montagna. ciao! T 2012/11/3 Stefano Pallicca palli...@gmail.com Il giorno venerdì 2 novembre 2012, Milani Alessio ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, sstemando i confini comunali della provincia di Venezia sono incappato in una situazione mai affrontata prima: il comune di Caorle è attraversato da una lingua di terra ricadente sotto l'amministrazione di un altro comune (San Stino di Livenza) vedendo il suo territorio diviso in due metà totalmente dal punto di vista fisico [1]. Come gestire la situazione? Due relazioni distinte sotto una relazione madre? Qui in Versilia succede una cosa simile con Pietrasanta, il cui confine comunale è diviso a metà. Mi pare che siano state impostate due relazioni singole, senza una super-relazione, (e osmi non segnala errori) ma la tua opzione non mi dispiace, sentiamo anche altri pareri... Un altro esempio ancor più eclatante è San Pellegrino in Alpe, al confine tra toscana e emilia, che ha al suo interno un poligono appartenente all'emilia (e sul posto ci sono anche delle targhe in ottone sui muri, che indicano tale confine) Stefano Ciao e grazie Alessio [1 http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_of_comune_of_Caorle_%28province_of_Venice,_region_Veneto,_Italy%29.svgpage=1 ] ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
2012/11/3 Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it: Ho avuto un'esperienza simile quando, dopo il sisma, ho importato gli edifici di Concordia sul Secchia (import fatto a mano, controllando uno per uno gli edifici esistenti - pochi - e rimettendo eventuali tag dove presenti). Da quanto ho capito (sia perché mi veniva contestato, sia perché mi sono informato), l'account dedicato è obbligatorio per gli import; resta da capire se una cosa fatta casa per casa sia inteso come import (secondo me no). Dunque: - lo scorso anno ho importato tutta la zona sud della provincia di Modena e mai nessuno mi ha notificato di aver commesso errori Perché nessuno si era accorto dei tuoi import. :-) (Non sto dicendo che tu abbia commesso errori eh, sto solo dicendo che nessuno delle alte sfere si era accorto di questi import). - mi pare che tutto l’import effettuato sui dati resi disponibili dalla regione Emilia Romagna riportino il tag: source= Regione Emilia Romagna IMHO è giusto questo source e non quello indicato dalla Fondazione: nel tag source devo indicare la sorgente dei dati, almeno io la so così, e non come questi dati siano stati inseriti in OSM... - nella guida di riferimento: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato non si citi la necessità di un account dedicato. Anche io mossi questa obiezione e mi fu risposto che se la documentazione italiana non è corretta, cambiatela. Discorso che non fa una piega, però... Però perché queste alte sfere non prendono in mano la situazione anche per decisioni definitive, invece di fare discussioni chilometriche che spesso e volentieri non portano a nulla? Mistero. Bisogna forse sospendere l’import dei dati? Ti dico cosa ho fatto io: ho smesso. Sì, perché oltre all'account dedicato (che a me sembra una cavolata per come faccio io l'import, cioè totalmente manuale, ma che sarebbe il meno) ci sono altre piccole cose che devi fare e a cui devi stare attento, cose non sempre totalmente condivise (vedi la mail di Bruno appena arrivata) ma senza che la Fondazione imponga uno standard. Attenzione: non sto dicendo che tutte quelle regole non siano giuste, dico solo che per me sono troppe e scritte male, quindi le mie capacità e il mio tempo a disposizione mi portano a fare altro invece che import di questo tipo. -- Cià Cristiano / Sky One Home: http://www.skyone.it (itinerari in moto e non solo) Pensieri: http://blog.skyone.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Dubbio relazione boundary
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:22:08 +0100, Milani Alessio wrote: Ciao a tutti, sstemando i confini comunali della provincia di Venezia sono incappato in una situazione mai affrontata prima: il comune di Caorle è attraversato da una lingua di terra ricadente sotto l'amministrazione di un altro comune (San Stino di Livenza) vedendo il suo territorio diviso in due metà totalmente dal punto di vista fisico [1]. Come gestire la situazione? Due relazioni distinte sotto una relazione madre? Qui in Sicilia sono situazioni abbastanza comuni: Trapani - http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_of_comune_of_Trapani_(province_of_Trapani,_region_Sicily,_Italy).svgpage=1 Gibellina - http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_of_comune_of_Gibellina_(province_of_Trapani,_region_Sicily,_Italy).svgpage=1 Bisacquino - http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_of_comune_of_Bisacquino_(province_of_Palermo,_region_Sicily,_Italy).svgpage=1 Semplicemente.. metti tutti i pezzi come outer. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/39404 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/39368 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/39313 (ed eventualmente inner nella relazione dell'altro comune, se è tutto compreso all'interno del territorio di quest'ultimo, es. guarda gli inner qui http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/39356) Ciao, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Dubbio relazione boundary
Ad esempio Comune di Imer: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/46876 2012/11/3 Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com e anche in Primiero, Trentino: http://osm.org/go/0IFn5v~Q- Alcuni comuni hanno delle exclave, completamente separate dal territorio comunale, presumo per ragioni storiche, relative agli alpeggi d'alta montagna. ciao! T 2012/11/3 Stefano Pallicca palli...@gmail.com Il giorno venerdì 2 novembre 2012, Milani Alessio ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, sstemando i confini comunali della provincia di Venezia sono incappato in una situazione mai affrontata prima: il comune di Caorle è attraversato da una lingua di terra ricadente sotto l'amministrazione di un altro comune (San Stino di Livenza) vedendo il suo territorio diviso in due metà totalmente dal punto di vista fisico [1]. Come gestire la situazione? Due relazioni distinte sotto una relazione madre? Qui in Versilia succede una cosa simile con Pietrasanta, il cui confine comunale è diviso a metà. Mi pare che siano state impostate due relazioni singole, senza una super-relazione, (e osmi non segnala errori) ma la tua opzione non mi dispiace, sentiamo anche altri pareri... Un altro esempio ancor più eclatante è San Pellegrino in Alpe, al confine tra toscana e emilia, che ha al suo interno un poligono appartenente all'emilia (e sul posto ci sono anche delle targhe in ottone sui muri, che indicano tale confine) Stefano Ciao e grazie Alessio [1 http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_of_comune_of_Caorle_%28province_of_Venice,_region_Veneto,_Italy%29.svgpage=1 ] ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Richiesta controllo SP415 Paullese
Ciao, qualcuno della zona può per favore controllare la Paullese tra lo svincolo della tangenziale est e Pantigliate/Caleppio di Settala? Ci sono diverse cose che non mi convincono: pezzi in cui è highway=trunk ed altri in cui è highway=primary pur non cambiando la conformazione della strada (2 carreggiate con 2 corsie per ogni senso di marcia), svincoli tra trunk e secondary che sono taggati come primary, ecc. Non lo faccio io perché (1) è parecchio che non ci passo e (2) ci sono varie relazioni che non vorrei rovinare... Grazie. -- Cià Cristiano / Sky One Home: http://www.skyone.it (itinerari in moto e non solo) Pensieri: http://blog.skyone.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Come tagghiamo un fontanello ?
Il 30/10/2012 18:25, Tiziano D'Angelo ha scritto: Non scazzottiamoci per così poco, please ;) Infatti, d'altronde su osm vengono taggate da anni le stazioni del car sharing come amenity=car_sharing e le stazioni del bikesharing come bicycle_rental, (tradotto come noleggio bici su josm anche se in molte città è gratuito) e nessuno si è mai scandalizzato! vending_machine, tradotto come distributore automatico in josm, su un distributore automatico di acqua sia a pagamento che gratuita(payment:none=yes), può andare più che bene ;) -- Le rotture di scatole ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
E' po che mi sbatto per trovare il tag giusto per stazione ecologica. Mi date una dritta, grazie. -- RISPETTA L'AMBIENTE: SE NON TI E' NECESSARIO, NON STAMPARE QUESTA E-MAIL. Le informazioni contenute in questa comunicazione sono riservate e destinate esclusivamente alla/e persona/e o all'ente/i a cui sono stati indirizzati. Se questa comunicazione Vi e' pervenuta per errore, siete pregati di informare il mittente rispondendo a questa mail. I dati riportati nel presente documento sono trattati nel rispetto del D.Lgs. 196/2003 (Codice della Privacy) sulla tutela dei dati personali. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Se ho capito giusto cosa intendi per stazione ecologica http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Tag:amenity%3Drecycling Saluti! -- Enrico Piccinelli picc...@tiscali.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il 03/11/2012 13:51, Enrico Piccinelli ha scritto: Se ho capito giusto cosa intendi per stazione ecologica http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Tag:amenity%3Drecycling Saluti! -- Enrico Piccinelli picc...@tiscali.it Chiedo venia, ma qui in romagna le chiamano così le stazioni di riciclaggio rifiuti. Molto obbligato, thanks, Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13733825 :-) Buona giornata, Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il giorno 03/nov/2012 14:22, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com ha scritto: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13733825 :-) Scusa ma l'isola ecologica è solo l'edificio o tutta l'area che è stata mappata come barrier? se è tutta l'area dovresti mettere recycling a tutta l'area e rimuoverlo dall'edificio. Buona giornata, Mario. Ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il 03/11/2012 14:51, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Il 03/11/2012 14:41, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Il giorno 03/nov/2012 14:22, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com mailto:mario.piche...@gmail.com ha scritto: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13733825 :-) Scusa ma l'isola ecologica è solo l'edificio o tutta l'area che è stata mappata come barrier? se è tutta l'area dovresti mettere recycling a tutta l'area e rimuoverlo dall'edificio. Buona giornata, Mario. Ciao Luca Posso lasciare gli altri tag assieme all'edificio o li sposto sulla barriera ? -- RISPETTA L'AMBIENTE: SE NON TI E' NECESSARIO, NON STAMPARE QUESTA E-MAIL. Le informazioni contenute in questa comunicazione sono riservate e destinate esclusivamente alla/e persona/e o all'ente/i a cui sono stati indirizzati. Se questa comunicazione Vi e' pervenuta per errore, siete pregati di informare il mittente rispondendo a questa mail. I dati riportati nel presente documento sono trattati nel rispetto del D.Lgs. 196/2003 (Codice della Privacy) sulla tutela dei dati personali. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
2012/11/3 Mario Pichetti: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13733825 :-) se lo sai puoi aggiungere il nome dell'azienda che la gestice: operator=... sarebbero utili anche gli orari di apertura http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Opening_hours e probabilmente l'azienda ha un sito web con altre informazioni utili, oltre agli orari http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website oppure http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact:website -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Io per l'import dell'emilia-romagna quando mi e' arrivato il messaggio mi sono creato un secondo untente appunto dedicato agli import e ho proseguito... una particolarità: non riuscivo, nell'utente di import a specificare la stessa mail dell'utente principale mi veniva rifiutato l'immisione del campo mail che volevo fosse la stessa per i due utenti perche' appunto tale valore era già usato dal mio utente principale. Per risolvere e quindi per avere i messaggi in arrivo sui due account recapitati allo stesso indirizzo email, nell'utente di import la mail e' stata impostata come esattamente come specificato qui: marcobra.ubuntu+impo...@gmail.com Il giorno 03 novembre 2012 11:15, Sky One sky...@skyone.it ha scritto: 2012/11/3 Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it: Ho avuto un'esperienza simile quando, dopo il sisma, ho importato gli edifici di Concordia sul Secchia (import fatto a mano, controllando uno per uno gli edifici esistenti - pochi - e rimettendo eventuali tag dove presenti). Da quanto ho capito (sia perché mi veniva contestato, sia perché mi sono informato), l'account dedicato è obbligatorio per gli import; resta da capire se una cosa fatta casa per casa sia inteso come import (secondo me no). Dunque: - lo scorso anno ho importato tutta la zona sud della provincia di Modena e mai nessuno mi ha notificato di aver commesso errori Perché nessuno si era accorto dei tuoi import. :-) (Non sto dicendo che tu abbia commesso errori eh, sto solo dicendo che nessuno delle alte sfere si era accorto di questi import). - mi pare che tutto l’import effettuato sui dati resi disponibili dalla regione Emilia Romagna riportino il tag: source= Regione Emilia Romagna IMHO è giusto questo source e non quello indicato dalla Fondazione: nel tag source devo indicare la sorgente dei dati, almeno io la so così, e non come questi dati siano stati inseriti in OSM... - nella guida di riferimento: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato non si citi la necessità di un account dedicato. Anche io mossi questa obiezione e mi fu risposto che se la documentazione italiana non è corretta, cambiatela. Discorso che non fa una piega, però... Però perché queste alte sfere non prendono in mano la situazione anche per decisioni definitive, invece di fare discussioni chilometriche che spesso e volentieri non portano a nulla? Mistero. Bisogna forse sospendere l’import dei dati? Ti dico cosa ho fatto io: ho smesso. Sì, perché oltre all'account dedicato (che a me sembra una cavolata per come faccio io l'import, cioè totalmente manuale, ma che sarebbe il meno) ci sono altre piccole cose che devi fare e a cui devi stare attento, cose non sempre totalmente condivise (vedi la mail di Bruno appena arrivata) ma senza che la Fondazione imponga uno standard. Attenzione: non sto dicendo che tutte quelle regole non siano giuste, dico solo che per me sono troppe e scritte male, quindi le mie capacità e il mio tempo a disposizione mi portano a fare altro invece che import di questo tipo. -- Cià Cristiano / Sky One Home: http://www.skyone.it (itinerari in moto e non solo) Pensieri: http://blog.skyone.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Linux Infinite Freedom ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il 03/11/2012 14:55, Daniele Forsi ha scritto: 2012/11/3 Mario Pichetti: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13733825 :-) se lo sai puoi aggiungere il nome dell'azienda che la gestice: operator=... sarebbero utili anche gli orari di apertura http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Opening_hours e probabilmente l'azienda ha un sito web con altre informazioni utili, oltre agli orari http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website oppure http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact:website -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Per operator e opening hours ho risolto, per il riferimento con info non saprei che tag usare, forse ref. By Mario. -- RISPETTA L'AMBIENTE: SE NON TI E' NECESSARIO, NON STAMPARE QUESTA E-MAIL. Le informazioni contenute in questa comunicazione sono riservate e destinate esclusivamente alla/e persona/e o all'ente/i a cui sono stati indirizzati. Se questa comunicazione Vi e' pervenuta per errore, siete pregati di informare il mittente rispondendo a questa mail. I dati riportati nel presente documento sono trattati nel rispetto del D.Lgs. 196/2003 (Codice della Privacy) sulla tutela dei dati personali. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il 03 novembre 2012 15:38, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Per operator e opening hours ho risolto, per il riferimento con info non saprei che tag usare, forse ref. opening_hours va inserito come spiegato nel link quindi nonva bene in italiano opening_hours = Da Lunedi a Sabato 8.30 - 12.30 Lun. pom. e Giov. pom. 15 - 18 se non ho sbagliato ;-) è opening_hours = Mo-Sa 8:30-12:30; Mo,Th 15:00-18:00 oppure potresti indicare separatamente i giorni che è aperto sia mattina che pomeriggio da quelli in cui è aperto solo di mattina, è più complicato, ma se c'è un cartello all'ingresso scritto in quest'altro modo conviene copiarlo opening_hours = Mo,Th 8:30-12:30,15:00-18:00; Tu,We,Sa 8:30-12:30 in pratica io lo interpeto così: il trattino vuol dire da...a, la virgola vuol dire e, il punto e virgola oppure non ho capito cosa è info, ref è un codice, se c'è più di un impianto è possibile che ognuno abbia un numero o un codice, oltre al nome, ma io lo riporterei solo se è scritto sui cartelli all'entrata o se ci sono regole speciali sul sito (es. le batterie si possono conferire solo all'impianto ref=123) -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il 03/11/2012 17:15, Daniele Forsi ha scritto: Il 03 novembre 2012 15:38, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Per operator e opening hours ho risolto, per il riferimento con info non saprei che tag usare, forse ref. opening_hours va inserito come spiegato nel link quindi nonva bene in italiano opening_hours = Da Lunedi a Sabato 8.30 - 12.30 Lun. pom. e Giov. pom. 15 - 18 se non ho sbagliato ;-) è opening_hours = Mo-Sa 8:30-12:30; Mo,Th 15:00-18:00 oppure potresti indicare separatamente i giorni che è aperto sia mattina che pomeriggio da quelli in cui è aperto solo di mattina, è più complicato, ma se c'è un cartello all'ingresso scritto in quest'altro modo conviene copiarlo opening_hours = Mo,Th 8:30-12:30,15:00-18:00; Tu,We,Sa 8:30-12:30 in pratica io lo interpeto così: il trattino vuol dire da...a, la virgola vuol dire e, il punto e virgola oppure non ho capito cosa è info, ref è un codice, se c'è più di un impianto è possibile che ognuno abbia un numero o un codice, oltre al nome, ma io lo riporterei solo se è scritto sui cartelli all'entrata o se ci sono regole speciali sul sito (es. le batterie si possono conferire solo all'impianto ref=123) -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Grazie Daniele. Dimenticavo che OSM è internationale:-) Per info intendevo quale tipo di tag dovevo mettere per un eventuale link web. Ciao Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
Il 03 novembre 2012 17:27, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Per info intendevo quale tipo di tag dovevo mettere per un eventuale link web. allora c'erano dei problemi col mio messaggio precedente: website=http://www oppure contact:website=http://www in entrambi i casi va bene l'home page, ma se il sito è unico per più Comuni, allora forse conviene mettere una pagina specifica per Riolo Terme non so quale consigliare, il secondo fa parte di un sistema più ordinato, ma per il wiki il primo è più vecchio e più diffuso -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Il 03/11/2012 08:35, Giuseppe Amici ha scritto: Che ne dite? Bisogna forse sospendere l’import dei dati? Direi che le opzioni sono quattro: 1) Ti adegui a quanto deciso dal comitato centrale 2) Sospendi le operazioni perché tutta 'sta burocrazia ti ha fatto passare la voglia di mappare 3) Rallenti l'import e alterni sessioni di import a mappatura normale sperando di non venir beccato 4) Fai il martire per la causa procedendo a passo spedito con l'import fino a quando non ti bloccano l'account Il 03/11/2012 10:14, bruno ha scritto: ci sono state alcune discussioni CHILOMETRICHE sulla lista talk internazionale perché 1) senza discussione, l'account dedicato per gli import è diventato obbligatorio 2) per vari motivi i francesi non lo vogliono fare Non ero a conoscenza del caso francese, credevo che a lamentarsi di queste disposizioni ci fossimo soltanto noi... tra l'altro vedo che le ragioni delle lamentele sono più o meno le stesse ... A mio modo di vedere è ormai palese che questa burocrazia ostacoli più i piccoli import gestiti dalle comunità locali che i mega-import automatici gestiti da singoli (che in teoria dovrebbero essere l'obiettivo di questa normativa). Finendo quindi con l'essere in contrasto con la filosofia stessa del progetto (io mappo il mio quartiere, tu il tuo e insieme mappiamo il mondo)... ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] STAZIONE ECOLOGICA
se vuoi e se ne sei a conoscenza, puoi anche inserire i vari tag per specificare che tipo di materiali si possono conferire all'isola ecologica...pardon...stazione ecologica. ad esempio se sai che si possono portare televisori/monitor e cellulari ma non vernici metti |recycling:tv_monitor=yes| |recycling:mobile_phones=yes| |recycling:paint=no| comunque c'è la lista sul wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Tag:amenity%3Drecycling#Materiali -- Le rotture di scatole ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Ciao, Pure io sono stato raggiunto da una mail simile, anzi due volte, da parte dell'utente pnorman che mi intimava di crearmi un account dedicato per i miei import in Veneto. Io gli ho risposto che finchè non ci sarà la possibilità di spostare tutto il mio storico di import su un nuovo account io non ne creo un altro e l'unica cosa che ho fatto è stato cambiare il mio nickname da DarkSwan a DarkSwan_Import, continuando comunque a usare quell'account anche per il mapping locale e i piccoli fix. Per il resto si attaccano al tram, altrimenti qui fan passare la voglia di mappare. Leonardo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Come tagghiamo un fontanello ?
Am 03/nov/2012 um 12:45 schrieb Fabri erfab...@gmail.com: Infatti, d'altronde su osm vengono taggate da anni le stazioni del car sharing come amenity=car_sharing e le stazioni del bikesharing come bicycle_rental, (tradotto come noleggio bici su josm anche se in molte città è gratuito) e nessuno si è mai scandalizzato! Peccato ;-) Se il significato di un tag (letteralmente) contraddice il significato in OSM non va bene, mai, e il fatto che alle volte si scopre tardi non cambia molto, secondo me. Siamo generalmente ancora un progetto giovane e si possono sempre aggiungere nuovi tags per non incentivare il tagging for the ... Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Dubbio relazione boundary
Am 03/nov/2012 um 11:23 schrieb David Paleino da...@debian.org: Semplicemente.. metti tutti i pezzi come outer. +1 Cerchiamo di tenere le cose il più semplice possibile, è fondamentale per facilizzare l'ingresso in OSM. Ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Am 03/nov/2012 um 23:28 schrieb Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com: l'unica cosa che ho fatto è stato cambiare il mio nickname da DarkSwan a DarkSwan_Import, continuando comunque a usare quell'account anche per il mapping locale e i piccoli fix. Quindi se si dovesse un'altra volta decidere di cambiare la licenza, per esempio in PD, nel caso che le condizioni dei dati importati da te non fosseri compatibili (per esempio richiedono attribuzione), saranno cancellati anche i tuoi contributi originali... Al meno che non sarai in grado di distinguere i vari changesets. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Am 01/nov/2012 um 13:03 schrieb Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: Non sono sicuro com'è la situazione in Italia, ma in Germania il marchio spesso (q8, shell, ecc) non è ne il proprietario ne il gestore di un benzinaio, invece il gestore lo vedi dai scontrini ed il proprietario nel catasto Anche qui in Italia il proprietario ha il proprio nome sugli scontrini. Però resta il fatto che un proprietario si deve affiliare ad una casa madre la quale impone ad esempio i prezzi di vendita (in linea di massima anche se c'è la liberalizzazione dei prezzi) Il proprietario non lo trovi sul scontrino, al meno che non si tratta di una ditta individuale, sul scontrino trovi chi è il benzinaio (l'impresa commerciale), quindi chi vende la benza, in OSM sarebbe operator e nel caso di un benzinaio chiuso lo toglierei. L'edificio può appartenere allo stesso proprietario o anche no, ma generalmente questo non lo sai e non c'è ne anche un tag standard in OSM se lo sapresti. La casa madre viene taggata con brand e lo lascerei forse anche per un benzinaio chiuso. Affiliar si ad una casa madre non è obligatorio, ci sono anche benzinai liberi, ma sono sempre più rari. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Am 03/nov/2012 um 11:15 schrieb Sky One sky...@skyone.it: resta da capire se una cosa fatta casa per casa sia inteso come import (secondo me no). È un Import (ma non è un import automatico). Lo è perchè non hai creato tu il dato, ma l'hai copiato da qualcun altro, che tiene i diritti. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-cz] czechia geonames
Pokud bude prezidentem Okamura tak uz Ceskou Republiku na mapa nenajde nikdo :D Vseci budou hledat Czechia nekde v asii :D 2012/11/3 Tomáš Kratina t.krat...@gmail.com: Prave proto, ze je malo pouzivany si myslim, ze je absolutne nevhodny. Navic to zni hodne divne :D 2012/11/3 Marek Prokop ma...@sovavsiti.cz: proc je v http://www.geonames.org/ u Ceske To náhodu vím. Někdo poslal návrh, aby se to tak změnilo, Marc (provozovatel služby) mě požádal o vyjádření a já mu potvrdil, že to je oficiální krátký název státu. Zároveň jsem ho upozornil, že to je název v zahraničí málo používaný, a proto nemusí být vhodný pro účely navigace na webu. Na základě toho se rozhodl (a IMHO správně). Zdraví, Marek Prokop ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment marquer les voies bus en site propre ?
Bonjour, 02/11/2012 23:46 Frantz: Il y a actuellement 2 marquages en guerre sur ces tracés : 1) highway=bus_guideway / access=no / psv=yes (les 2 derniers sont redondants avec le premier je pense) 2) highway=service / access=no / psv=yes Le highway=bus_guideway me semble plus destiné à des voies physiquement inutilisables par d'autres moyens de transport. Le bus_guideway est utilisé pour des voies équipées d'une technologie spécifique qui guide les bus en les serrant entre deux rails latérales. Cela est plus proche d'une ligne de tram que d'une route pour voitures. Si j'ai bien compris, les voies don tu parles n'ont pas cet équipement et bus_guideway n'est donc pas approprié. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_guideway Le 2) me semble donc plus approprié, mais le highway=service ne me plaît pas trop. Et highway=bus ne semble pas exister. Si on mettait highway=bus à une voie autorisé pour taxis et vélos, ça ne me plairait pas trop non plus. Je pense que service ou éventuellement unclassified font l'affaire. Il faut rester simple, et pas créer trop de valeurs pour un tag aussi essentiel que highway. Rainer ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
Finalement, dans OSM, le bief ne s'appelle nulle part... bief. C'est voulu, c'est génant, c'est normal, c'est discuté, c'est fait exprès, j'ai mal compris ?... Le 3 novembre 2012 00:15, PierreV belett...@hotmail.fr a écrit : Bonsoir, Je ne connais pas trop les marais bretons... mais je pense qu'ils doivent être fait de la même manière que celui du Marais Poitevin: Pour ma part, les échelles de taille des cours d'eau sont dans l'ordre suivant: Fossé (waterway=ditch) Bief (waterway=drain) Conche (waterway=stream) Canal (waterway=canal) Rivière (waterway=river) Certains Biefs mals entretenus sont difficiles d'accès par canoé par chez moi... donc l'accès ou non n'est pas nessaire puisque dépend de l'entretient fait par le syndicat et/ou riverains. Seul les fossés ne peuvent etre navigable meme par mon petit canoé... Voila j'espère avoir répondu a ta question? Pour plus d'infos sur les cours d'eau je t'invite aller voir cette page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:waterway elle correspond plus à un schéma hydraulique général moins pour une zone de marais... mais avec l'échelle que j'applique on peut utiliser les tags déja utilisés. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/probleme-de-bief-tp5733900p5733921.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment marquer les voies bus en site propre ?
J'ai le meme souci avec le bus a haut niveau de service de Metz ... et pour le moment j'ai rien trouvé de tres satisfaisant. De plus parfois le site propre est tellement juxtaposé a la chaussée voiture que ce n'est pas évident de tracer une voie parallèle, meme s'il y un gros trottoir entre les deux. Je pense que le moins pire c'est de partir sur un highway=service et service= quelques chose qui spécifie que c'est une voie dédié aux autobus urbain. Y a ca dans le wiki a la page Buses - Bus roads (asphalt/tarmac): highwayhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway =service http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice + service http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service=bushttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:service%3Dbusaction=editredlink=1+ access http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access=nohttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dno+ bus http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bus=yeshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:bus%3Dyesaction=editredlink=1 2012/11/2 Frantz frz_ml_...@finux.fr Bonsoir, à Rouen nous avons des lignes TEOR, comprendre des bus circulant parfois sur route ordinaire, parfois en site propre, c'est à dire sans voitures, avec quais pour les arrêts, des marquages au sol au niveau de ces quais pour que le bus s'en approche au mieux automatiquement (guidage optique), et des feux spécifiques. Ces voies sont également (très) utilisées par les véhicules d'urgence, et il y a des discussions pour y autoriser les vélos et les taxis. Il y a actuellement 2 marquages en guerre sur ces tracés : 1) highway=bus_guideway / access=no / psv=yes (les 2 derniers sont redondants avec le premier je pense) 2) highway=service / access=no / psv=yes Le highway=bus_guideway me semble plus destiné à des voies physiquement inutilisables par d'autres moyens de transport. Le 2) me semble donc plus approprié, mais le highway=service ne me plaît pas trop. Et highway=bus ne semble pas exister. Que me conseillez-vous ? -- Frantz ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
Le 3 novembre 2012 09:21, Ista Pouss ista...@gmail.com a écrit : Finalement, dans OSM, le bief ne s'appelle nulle part... bief. C'est voulu, c'est génant, c'est normal, c'est discuté, c'est fait exprès, j'ai mal compris ?... C'est que dans OSM les tags servent pour décrire les usages, peut-importe le nom donné dans la classification locale ! sinon, comment faire une carte des biefs au niveau européen, avec pas le même mot utilisé en espagnol, en français, en allemand, ... En plus si on regarde bien, le mot bief semble ne pas désigner la même chose dans les différentes parties de la france: dans certains coins il s'agit d'un petit canal de drainage, dans d'autres c'est une amenée d'eaux pour les moulins, ailleurs on en parle comme d'une portion de canal entre des écluses ... le seul point sur lequel tout le monde semble d'accord c'est qu'il a été créé par l'homme ! Par contre si ce bief a un petit nom donné par les locaux, il y a le tag name=Bief de machin qui est là pour ça ;) Sylvain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment marquer les voies bus en site propre ?
Effectivement, bus_guideway désigne une voie réservée à des bus intégralement guidés, il en existe (ou a existé) en Allemagne, en G-B, en Australie. En France, le réseau de Douai voulait utiliser ce mode de transport, mais leur véhicule n'a pas été homologué en mode guidé et ce qu'ils appellent pompeusement tramway n'est qu'un bus en site propre. Ici, à Maubeuge, nous avons un site propre labellisé BusWay qui correspond au TEOR de Rouen. Les vélos et les piétons y sont autorisés. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.27406916022301lon=3.969959020614624zoom=17 J'ai tagué : Highway=service access=no psv=designated bicycle=yes foot=yes Ça décrit bien la réalité : voie réservée aux transports en commun et taxis (PSV= Public Service Vehicles) et autorisée aux cyclistes et aux piétons. J.-Lys -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Comment-marquer-les-voies-bus-en-site-propre-tp5733920p5733946.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
Le 3 novembre 2012 10:37, Sylvain Maillard sylvain.maill...@gmail.com a écrit : C'est que dans OSM les tags servent pour décrire les usages, peut-importe le nom donné dans la classification locale ! sinon, comment faire une carte des biefs au niveau européen, avec pas le même mot utilisé en espagnol, en français, en allemand, ... Oui, je me doute que c'est pas le même mot en espagnol etc, mais je m'étonne que OSM n'enregistre pas la classification locale. La classification locale n'est-elle pas un fait de terrain ? Je me souviens avoir vu une discussion ici sur ZUP, ZAC,ZI et autre et il me semblait que la conclusion était qu'il fallait enregistrer le terme local. (je ne sais plus comment) En plus si on regarde bien, le mot bief semble ne pas désigner la même chose dans les différentes parties de la france: dans certains coins il s'agit d'un petit canal de drainage, dans d'autres c'est une amenée d'eaux pour les moulins, ailleurs on en parle comme d'une portion de canal entre des écluses ... le seul point sur lequel tout le monde semble d'accord c'est qu'il a été créé par l'homme ! Si les tags par usage permettent de résoudre ce problème... Par contre si ce bief a un petit nom donné par les locaux, il y a le tag name=Bief de machin qui est là pour ça ;) Oui mais le Bief de machin, c'est pas un nom. Par exemple L'église de st quentin les beaurepaire n'est pas le nom de l'église de l'église de st quentin les beaurepaire... soit cette église n'a pas de nom, soit elle s'appelle Eglise St Truc (par ex.) Mais bon je sais bien que le problème est hyper compliqué, je taquine :-) Il me semble quand même qu'iil devrait y avoir un tag spécifique pour l'appellation locale du _type_ de la chose, même si c'est entrer dans une boîte de pandore. Sinon, un européen va peut être retrouver à St Quentin Beaurepaire un waterway=canal, alors qu'un saintquentinbeaurepairoix n'y retrouvera pas un bief... ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
Les données sont maintenant disponibles à l'intégration dans OSM : http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/map/?zoom=16lat=48.82486lon=2.30252layers=B000FFTitem=8040,8041level=1,2,3 Si c'est trop la pagaille au niveau des bus je peux réduire la distance de conflation, elle est de 100m là. Frédéric. Le 01/11/2012 12:56, Sylvain Maillard a écrit : ah oui exact, il y a 2 fichiers ... 1 avec les coordonnées réelles, et 1 avec les coordonnées en pixels sur le plan ... je n'avais vu que celui avec les coordonnées en pixels :( Le 1 novembre 2012 12:48, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com mailto:fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 01/11/2012 12:42, Pieren a écrit : 2012/11/1 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com mailto:fred.rodr...@gmail.com: On peut s'en tirer en géo-référencent le plan, si c'est faisable. Mais des coordonnées en pixel sur un plan c'est à la limite du foutage de gueules. Le fichier csv que j'ai ouvert avait l'air correct (coordonnées WGS84). Il y a effectivement deux fichiers différents. Je vais intégrer ça à osmose. Frédéric. _ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.__org/listinfo/talk-fr http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] enseigne à l'entrée d'une entreprise (comment taguer une ...)
salut, je me demande comment tagguer une enseigne à l'entrée d'une entreprise. Exemple : http://www.rfi.fr/actufr/images/052/enseigne_google220.jpg j'ai trouvé sur le wiki ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:advertising) le tag * advertising=sign* mais il ne plaît pas car c'est une enseigne, pas un panneau publicitaire : le but est d'après moi plus informatif que publicitaire. help ! -- *Florian Lainez* http://twitter.com/overflorian http://www.nouslesgeeks.fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] enseigne à l'entrée d'une entreprise (comment taguer une ...)
Le 03/11/2012 12:30, Florian LAINEZ a écrit : salut, je me demande comment tagguer une enseigne à l'entrée d'une entreprise. Exemple : http://www.rfi.fr/actufr/images/052/enseigne_google220.jpg j'ai trouvé sur le wiki (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:advertising) le tag /advertising=sign/ mais il ne plaît pas car c'est une enseigne, pas un panneau publicitaire : le but est d'après moi plus informatif que publicitaire. help ! -- *Florian Lainez* http://twitter.com/overflorian http://www.nouslesgeeks.fr http://www.nouslesgeeks.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr Bonjour, je te trouve bien taquin dans ton exemple ! Sinon, sérieusement, je dirais que l'on ne tague pas le panneau, mais ce qu'il annonce : on ne tague pas la plaque de rue, mais la rue elle-même, on en tague pas l'enseigne d'un magasin, mais ça surface ou son entrée ;-) A+ Marc ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] enseigne à l'entrée d'une entreprise (comment taguer une ...)
Le 03/11/2012 13:00, Marc Sibert a écrit : Sinon, sérieusement, je dirais que l'on ne tague pas le panneau, mais ce qu'il annonce : on ne tague pas la plaque de rue, mais la rue elle-même, on en tague pas l'enseigne d'un magasin, mais ça surface ou son entrée ;-) Pas forcément, on peut taguer la vitesse maximale autorisée sur une route et le panneau annonçant la limitation de vitesse (traffic_sign=maxspeed). Vu que l'objet physique existe et est en général séparé du bâtiment de l'entreprise, ça peut être intéressant de l'indiquer. Il peut constituer un obstacle, un point de repère visible à une certaine distance... Sur la question de la clé, c'est vrai qu'il ne s'agit pas de publicité en soi, mais advertising=sign semble être ce qui s'en rapproche le plus. Peut-être proposer une nouvelle valeur, par exemple advertising=totem qui désignerait ce genre d'objets. Cordialement. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
bonjour si vous éditez http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.60681lon=6.47519zoom=17layers=M sur la D 265 il y a des points taggués JOSM avec ele et time. Est-ce que cela correspond à l'altitude. Dans ce cas il ne faut pas les bouger. Est-ce utile ? merci d'éclaircir ma lanterne. Jeff ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
'ele' correspond en effet à l'altitude, comme l'explique sa page sur le wikihttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:ele. Par contre, le tag 'time' semble plus être un reliquat de la trace GPS, et n'a, selon moi, rien à faire ici... Francescu Le 3 novembre 2012 14:57, Jean-François Gaffard jean-francois.gaff...@laposte.net a écrit : bonjour si vous éditez http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.60681lon=6.47519zoom=17layers=M sur la D 265 il y a des points taggués JOSM avec ele et time. Est-ce que cela correspond à l'altitude. Dans ce cas il ne faut pas les bouger. Est-ce utile ? merci d'éclaircir ma lanterne. Jeff ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
Voici un des objets en question pour les flemmards curieux : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2103533 Je rencontre quelques fois certains nodes comme celui-ci. Il s'agit en effet d'une vielle trace GPS (en juillet 2005) converti en .osm et uploadé sur OSM en mai 2006. Le script .gpx = .osm a converti l'heure en tag time et l'altitude en tag ele. Quand je croise des noeuds comme celui-ci, je supprime directement le tag time, qui ne sert strictement à rien. Pour le tag ele, j'ai vu des points semblables mais à la version 2 ou + qui étaient déplacés de plusieurs dizaines de mètres, donc la valeur n'avait plus grande utilité Comme celui-la : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2103481 Il a été déplacé de 80m entre la version 1 et 2. Même à la version 1 de l'objet, la précision de la mesure n'est pas très utilisable à mon avis. Le nombre de décimale me fait sourire. Et puis rien me dit que l’altimètre du GPS (pas la mesure de l'altitude par GPS) était bien étalonné. Bref, j'accorde vraiment aucune qualité à ce tag ele dans ce cas la. Il m'arrive donc de le supprimer. Le 3 novembre 2012 15:11, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : 'ele' correspond en effet à l'altitude, comme l'explique sa page sur le wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:ele. Par contre, le tag 'time' semble plus être un reliquat de la trace GPS, et n'a, selon moi, rien à faire ici... Francescu Le 3 novembre 2012 14:57, Jean-François Gaffard jean-francois.gaff...@laposte.net a écrit : bonjour si vous éditez http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.60681lon=6.47519zoom=17layers=M sur la D 265 il y a des points taggués JOSM avec ele et time. Est-ce que cela correspond à l'altitude. Dans ce cas il ne faut pas les bouger. Est-ce utile ? merci d'éclaircir ma lanterne. Jeff ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
Même à la version 1 de l'objet, la précision de la mesure n'est pas très utilisable à mon avis. Le nombre de décimale me fait sourire. Et puis rien me dit que l’altimètre du GPS (pas la mesure de l'altitude par GPS) était bien étalonné. Bref, j'accorde vraiment aucune qualité à ce tag ele dans ce cas la. Il m'arrive donc de le supprimer. A part en zone urbaine (et peut être dans une forêt) où les batiments (et les arbres) peuvent gêner le radar, est-ce que le tag ele sert vraiment, raisonnablement, sachant que les données d'élévation SRTM sont disponibles librement sur l'intégralité du monde ? -- Clément ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] faux positifs sur osmose
Bonjour C'est pour savoir ce qui est fait des faux positifs annoncés sur Osmose concernant les monuments, poste, école... Est-ce qu'ils sont analysés manuellement pour être placés au bon endroit? Est-ce qu'il y a un tableau de ceux qui n'ont pas été replacés? Bref, qu'est ce qui est fait une fois que des faux positifs sont annoncés sur Osmose... merci d'avance de votre réponse. Pierre -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/faux-positifs-sur-osmose-tp5733978.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment marquer les voies bus en site propre ?
2012/11/3 J.-Lys jacq...@famille-lys.com: Au vue de la description du tag bus_guideway, je pencherais aussi pour highway=service + access Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Avocats, médecins, et autres plaques sur les porches
Bonjour, Peut-on tagguer les diverses professions libérales qui ont pour habitude de poser une plaque dorée à leur porche ? Je pense que oui, dans la mesure où il s'agit d'une profession, et non d'une atteinte à la vie privée, même quand le nom apparait sur la plaque, mais je tenais à en être sûr. De plus, se pose un problème : comment représenter les X plaques (parfois de la même profession. Ex: plusieurs avocats) apposées au même porche. Doit-on mettre X points dans le bâtiment ? ça risque d'être surchargé, non ? -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
2012/11/2 Sylvain Maillard sylvain.maill...@gmail.com: il faudrait effectivement ajouter également d'autres tags pour préciser. Je mettrais: waterway=canal service=water_power boat=no et éventuellement width= Il faut voir à quoi correspond son bief sur le terrain. Je n'utiliserais pas canal pour quelque chose qui ressemble plus à un ruisseau. Et pourquoi pas waterway=drain ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Ddrain Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
Wiktionary donne trois sens a Bief, ca réconcilie tout le monde. 1Portion d’un canal de navigation on d’une rivière canalisée comprise entre deux écluses, deux barrages ou deux chutes. Le bief supérieur, le bief inférieur d’un canal. 2 Canal de dérivation. 3 Canal conduisant l’eau sur la roue d’un moulin. LA source c'est le dico de l'académie francaise http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bief 2012/11/2 Hélène PETIT h...@free.fr: Le 02/11/2012 22:14, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Là je pense qu'il faut ajouter boat=no, car la plupart des canaux sont justement faits pour être navigables, pas le bief, A mon avis c'est faux ; le bief est la portion de canal entre deux écluses ; citation : Sur le Canal du Midi, Le bief le plus long est de 53,87 km entre l'écluse d'Argens (Aude) et les écluses de Fonserannes (Hérault) tandis que le bief le plus court est de 105 m entre les deux écluses du Fresquel. Le mot bief ne dit donc rien sur la navigabilité. Hélène ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer les services d'aide à domicile ?
(re-)Bonjour, Je n'arrive pas à trouver comment tagguer les services d'aide à domicile (appelés aussi aides à la personne). Je ne parle pas des soins regroupés sous le tag 'social_facility', mais de choses moins vitales : devoirs scolaires, ménages/repassages, ... (Le but étant de tagguer les bureaux d'entreprises offrant ce genre de services). -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
On 03/11/2012 15:41, Clément Stenac wrote: A part en zone urbaine (et peut être dans une forêt) où les batiments (et les arbres) peuvent gêner le radar, est-ce que le tag ele sert vraiment, raisonnablement, sachant que les données d'élévation SRTM sont disponibles librement sur l'intégralité du monde ? Oui, en montagne, où la précision SRTM est très mauvaise à cause du relief accidenté. En particulier, c'est très utile pour les sommets. JeanèClaude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
En effet, SRTM n'est pas précis. Mais les tags ele en question ci-dessus ne le sont pas non plus à mon avis. Par contre, le tag ele est en effet indispensable pour les sommets, les points remarquables, ... Je note toutes les altitudes dans OSM lors de mes randonnée pédestre quand je rencontre ce genre de panneau : http://www.pays-du-vuache.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/32-Poteau-directionnel-Clarafond-Arcine-FB.jpg Le 3 novembre 2012 19:29, Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr a écrit : On 03/11/2012 15:41, Clément Stenac wrote: A part en zone urbaine (et peut être dans une forêt) où les batiments (et les arbres) peuvent gêner le radar, est-ce que le tag ele sert vraiment, raisonnablement, sachant que les données d'élévation SRTM sont disponibles librement sur l'intégralité du monde ? Oui, en montagne, où la précision SRTM est très mauvaise à cause du relief accidenté. En particulier, c'est très utile pour les sommets. JeanèClaude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
Il ne faut pas oublier que les usages des données OSM sont variés. Les données d'élévation sont utiles plus particulièrement pour les cyclistes et les randonneurs. Et il faut penser à des informations synthétiques et pertinentes pour l'affichage sur des GPS de randonnée. En randonnée, le GPS est utile si on peut se repérer rapidement. J'importe dans mon GPS des tracés de sentiers y incluant les bornes kilométriques. Ces repères visuels me permettent de voir rapidement ma progression sur le sentier. Je sais ainsi que je suis près de tel kilomètre ou de tel point de vue ou halte. Je n'ai pas testé, mais je penses bien que l'élévation devrait aussi s'afficher si elle était ajoutée. Pierre De : Etienne Trimaille etienne.trimai...@gmail.com À : Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Samedi 3 novembre 2012 15h42 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ? En effet, SRTM n'est pas précis. Mais les tags ele en question ci-dessus ne le sont pas non plus à mon avis. Par contre, le tag ele est en effet indispensable pour les sommets, les points remarquables, ... Je note toutes les altitudes dans OSM lors de mes randonnée pédestre quand je rencontre ce genre de panneau : http://www.pays-du-vuache.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/32-Poteau-directionnel-Clarafond-Arcine-FB.jpg Le 3 novembre 2012 19:29, Jean-Claude Repetto jrepe...@free.fr a écrit : On 03/11/2012 15:41, Clément Stenac wrote: A part en zone urbaine (et peut être dans une forêt) où les batiments (et les arbres) peuvent gêner le radar, est-ce que le tag ele sert vraiment, raisonnablement, sachant que les données d'élévation SRTM sont disponibles librement sur l'intégralité du monde ? Oui, en montagne, où la précision SRTM est très mauvaise à cause du relief accidenté. En particulier, c'est très utile pour les sommets. JeanèClaude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Outil de suivi des objets qu on a edite
Bonjour, Depuis quelques temps je developpe un logiciel d analyse de diff OSM. Une des applications qui m a paru interessante etait de suivre les modifications effectuees par d autres contributeurs sur des objets que j ai cree ou modifie. J ai un prototype qui commence a marcher, il n est pas termine et reste assez basic pour le moment mais je me suis dit que cela pourrait peut etre interesser d autres personnes. Je le mets donc a disposition en esperant que certains le testeront et me donneront leur avis. Vous devriez trouver en piece jointe de ce mail un exemple de rapport genere par l outil. Il s agit d un fichier HTML indiquant quels objets ont ete modifies et donnant des details sur les modifications effectues ( changeset,user): Node : ajout/suppresion/modifications de tags, deplacement, suppression Way : ajout/suppresion/modifications de tags, ajout/suppression de node Relation : ajout/suppresion/modifications de tags, ajout/suppression de membre, changement de role d un membre Chaque objet OSM est accessible via les liens HTML, dans le cas d une suppression le lien pointe sur la dernier version avant suppression. Un parametre permet d indiquer le nom de l utilisateur dont on veut suivre les objets. A chaque fois que l utilisateur cree ou modifie un objet celui sera marque comme a surveiller et stocke en cache. ( il est aussi possible d ajouter arbitrairement des objets a surveiller en editant la base de donnee de l outil ) Dans le cas d un way tous les nodes qui le composent sont marques, c est aussi le cas pour les relations ( cela sera certainement parametrable dans le futur ) A chaque fois qu un objet marque a surveiller est modifie l outil va comparer la nouvelle version avec la precedente ( si celle-ci n est pas en cache elle sera telechargee) et generer le rapport indiquant les differences qu il est capable de detecter Un fichier de conf XML permet de parametrer l outil ( un exemple est fourni dans le package). library indique l emplacement de la librairie de suivi des objets analyzer permet de creer un instance du module de suivi d objet. son parametre user_name est utilise pour decider des objets a mettre sous suivi les parametres proxy_authentication permettent de se connecter derriere un proxy start_policy et start_sequence_number sont utilises pour analyser les diffs de l exemple. Il est possible de configurer l outil pour qu il reparte de la derniere diff analysee en configurant start_policy a stored iteration_number indique a l outil de s arreter apres l analyse de deux minutes-diff. Si l on ne precise pas de valeur l outil continuera son execution jusqu a ce qu il recoive un signal Control+C auquel cas il s arretera apres avoir fini l analyse en cours et stocke son numero de sequence Pour l instant je n ai fais les tests que sous Linux. A part la gestion du signal Control+C il s agit de C++ standard donc cela peut peut etre marcher sous MinGW sur Windows Pour que la compilation fonctionne il faut avoir installe les libs suivantes : perl sqlite3 expat curl zlib Le package est telechargeable ici : http://thevenon.julien.free.fr/osm_object_watcher/object_watch.tar.gz Il contient deux repertoires et un README: repository qui contient le code source de l outil data qui contient les fichiers de confs et donnees necessaires pour l executer et obtenir le rapport d exemple qui se trouve en piece jointe de ce mail Le README indique la procedure a suivre pour compiler l outil Au niveau des ameliorations a apporter voici quelques idees en vrac des amelioriations que je compte apporter: + ajout d alerte quand on modifie un way contenant un node a surveiller ( idem pour les relations et leur membres) + parametrer si l on souhaite marquer un way avec ses nodes ou pas ( idem pour les relations ) + ajouter des objets a surveiller a partir d un fichier OSM + choisir si un objet continue a etre surveille apres modifications ou pas + ajouter une interface graphique a l outil Si vous avez des questions ou suggestions n hesitez pas, mon framework est concu pour etre modulaire,le suivi d objets n est qu un des modules sur lesquels je developpe JulienTitle: Geogast object report Geogast object report node 274262518 has been modified by user wheelmap_visitor in changeset 13720658 Tag "wheelchair" with value "no" has been added node 293791437 has been modified by user AmiFritz in changeset 13722049 Coordinates has changed from (48.0880089,7.4123621) to (48.0880013,7.4123702) node 1860363981 has been deleted by user Blekota in changeset 13723005 way 26784109 has been modified by user AmiFritz in changeset 13722049 Node 1993724157 has been added to Way 26784109 way 26784110 has been modified by user AmiFritz in changeset 13722049 Tag "source" with value "Bing" has been added Node 1993724166 has been added to Way 26784110 Node 1993724164 has been added to Way 26784110 Node 1993724161 has been added to Way 26784110 Node 1993724160 has been added to
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
Moi je tag bief=steack Ok, je sort :-) Le 3 nov. 2012 17:50, Tetsuo Shima tets...@gmail.com a écrit : Wiktionary donne trois sens a Bief, ca réconcilie tout le monde. 1Portion d’un canal de navigation on d’une rivière canalisée comprise entre deux écluses, deux barrages ou deux chutes. Le bief supérieur, le bief inférieur d’un canal. 2 Canal de dérivation. 3 Canal conduisant l’eau sur la roue d’un moulin. LA source c'est le dico de l'académie francaise http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bief 2012/11/2 Hélène PETIT h...@free.fr: Le 02/11/2012 22:14, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Là je pense qu'il faut ajouter boat=no, car la plupart des canaux sont justement faits pour être navigables, pas le bief, A mon avis c'est faux ; le bief est la portion de canal entre deux écluses ; citation : Sur le Canal du Midi, Le bief le plus long est de 53,87 km entre l'écluse d'Argens (Aude) et les écluses de Fonserannes (Hérault) tandis que le bief le plus court est de 105 m entre les deux écluses du Fresquel. Le mot bief ne dit donc rien sur la navigabilité. Hélène ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-ja] 気象用レーダ
というのがあるんですが、これ、どうタグづけましょう? 一応 man_made = tower にはしておきましたが oota ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [Talk-GB] Request: Norfolk Broads National Park Boundary
I've not looked at OS Strategi, but the Natural England datasets are now OGL licenced and they contain the national park boundaries, and I think are better resolution. http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/publications/data/default.aspx Ed -Original Message- From: Robert Norris [mailto:rw_nor...@hotmail.com] Sent: 02 November 2012 23:50 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Request: Norfolk Broads National Park Boundary I believe that currently a boundary way or relation for the National Park of the Norfolk Broads is missing from OSM. I was wondering if any one in the East Anglia area would be up to the challenge of creating it? I assume the best way of creating a tentative out-line would be a manual conversion or trace from the OS Strategi product, similar to how the South Downs National Park area was mapped. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_ National_Parks Sounds ideal for something to do on these long winter nights... Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Request: Norfolk Broads National Park Boundary
I've downloaded the some of the data sets and fired up qgis. So, yes the Natural England datasets are a better resolution for National Parks. Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. From: e...@loach.me.uk To: rw_nor...@hotmail.com; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Request: Norfolk Broads National Park Boundary Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 07:50:33 + I've not looked at OS Strategi, but the Natural England datasets are now OGL licenced and they contain the national park boundaries, and I think are better resolution. http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/publications/data/default.aspx Ed -Original Message- From: Robert Norris [mailto:rw_nor...@hotmail.com] Sent: 02 November 2012 23:50 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Request: Norfolk Broads National Park Boundary I believe that currently a boundary way or relation for the National Park of the Norfolk Broads is missing from OSM. I was wondering if any one in the East Anglia area would be up to the challenge of creating it? I assume the best way of creating a tentative out-line would be a manual conversion or trace from the OS Strategi product, similar to how the South Downs National Park area was mapped. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_ National_Parks Sounds ideal for something to do on these long winter nights... Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Request: Norfolk Broads National Park Boundary
Yep, the Natural England datasets are of good quality. Just one word of warning the Local Nature Reserves data is not OGL licensed so cannot be used. All others are ok for use in OSM - I'm slowing doing Millennium Greens working from the North down one by one so not as to mess up any existing data with a mass import. Currently there is a stub page on the wiki if you want to add any details. Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Martijn van Exel writes: 1) I don't think it is a good idea to come up with a code of conduct as a response to particular cases. Hard cases make bad law, yes. But it's not a difficult decision to say Don't change other people's edits unless you can show that they are editing in variance to convention or Don't change an edit made by a local person unless you have ground truth to show that they are wrong, and can present that evidence to anyone who questions your edit. But... the converse can be somewhat helpful. Particular cases can be reasonable tests of general rules and this seems to be a pretty generic type of conflict that should be easily resolvable. i.e.: user a and user b disagree and cannot resolve their differences. Their discussion is isolated that not enough other people or community are around to help moderate the differences and reach a solution (not necessarily a compromise). What to do? My primary interest, as a newbie, is the impact of these difficult mappers on recruitment of new mappers. If the single difficult mapper is having a visible conflict with one non-difficult mapper, how many negative experiences with other non-difficult mappers aren't surfacing? The faster you can reassure the new mappers that difficult mappers are the exception and not the rule, and that the community is friendly and supportive, the better. My noob perspectives on this particular situation: - An overarching code of behavior could be very helpful to empower the less aggressive mapper. Maybe something simple like: Pursue the truth agreement do no harm. It gives the oppressed some simple question to ask the difficult mapper. Each of the segments of the code could be defined separately. -- It seems to me that changing tags without a resolution of truth in a community is clearly destructive - The concept of any tag being ok is exciting for many of us, but also a little scary to many newcomers, who would like to be sure we are doing things properly. So, I think more standardization in tag convention would be helpful, but that's probably fodder for another (and many older) threads. Apologies in advance if I've missed any existing information that covers these points! Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
Anthony writes: I agree that DWG has the authority to act, here. But as I understand it, the authority of DWG comes from OSMF, not from the OSM community. The DWG is specifically asking if it should have the authority to act. Please read the beginning message of this thread. Additionally, now would be a good time to work toward more formal standards for tagging. While I disagree that mappers should be bound by unwritten convention, I do think it would be useful to adopt RFC-style agreed upon tagging standards. No. Never have, don't need to. What we *do* need are several rules for tagging: 1) Don't change somebody else's edit unless you are acting on evidence you can produce to the DWG. 2) If you're remote, don't change somebody's edit if they're local. Instead, ask them if you should make a change. 3) Tag according to the documentation in the wiki. 4) Don't change the documentation in the wiki. 5) Document how you tag in the wiki (which is only necessary if #3 or #4 keep you from tagging in the manner you believe correct). These rules would reduce the amount of coordination needed and conflict produced betweeen editors. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
Jeff Meyer writes: - An overarching code of behavior could be very helpful to empower the less aggressive mapper. Maybe something simple like: Pursue the truth agreement do no harm. It gives the oppressed some simple question to ask the difficult mapper. Each of the segments of the code could be defined separately. -- It seems to me that changing tags without a resolution of truth in a community is clearly destructive Right. So what do you think of the set of rules that I posted a bit ago? - The concept of any tag being ok is exciting for many of us, but also a little scary to many newcomers, who would like to be sure we are doing things properly. So, I think more standardization in tag convention would be helpful, but that's probably fodder for another (and many older) threads. There *is* standardization -- the set of Key and Tag descriptions in the Wiki. Everybody should edit the way they describe. If they are ambiguous, then you should look at the way people are using the tags, and put that into the wiki. If people aren't tagging consistently, then you should ask for help. The whole point is that everything in the database should have a clear meaning. It's okay if there are two different ways to enter the same thing. Yes, that makes life harder on data consumers, but as long as they can understand what a tag means, they can figure out what that means for their usage of the map. Chances are good that highway=path/bicycle=yes and highway=cycleway will get rendered the same way. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
