[OSM-legal-talk] Information for officials and diplomats of countries and entities with disputed territories
Simon, Oliver, Dermot and I have give a finally look over the document and are happy to now send it to the board as our formal proposal. However, as Chair I would really prefer a formal quorate, 4, for such things and ask you to indicate yes or no by email before I send it. https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/1uQ0hpkFxqdNf7aPMk_5PaHFZojxULMcWXxLJRbYq4oE/edit The draft is of the last meeting + your changes + we went through and considered and clarified what each OpenStreetMap meant. As an interesting aside, it defines OpenStreetMap without qualification to be the database itself rather than any human entity ... may be a useful legal construct in the future. I also intend forwarding it to the Japanese community since treatment of disputed-island naming is an issue there as it ties the hands of the national mapping agency on how cooperative they can be with us. If I get any substantial feedback, I will forward to board. Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Information for officials and diplomats of countries and entities with disputed territories
Sorry for missing the meeting got my times confused, It is a definite yes from me. There is a term in singular that should be plural I believe. But otherwise completely ok with me. Simon Am 09.07.2013 20:38, schrieb Michael Collinson: Simon, Oliver, Dermot and I have give a finally look over the document and are happy to now send it to the board as our formal proposal. However, as Chair I would really prefer a formal quorate, 4, for such things and ask you to indicate yes or no by email before I send it. https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/1uQ0hpkFxqdNf7aPMk_5PaHFZojxULMcWXxLJRbYq4oE/edit The draft is of the last meeting + your changes + we went through and considered and clarified what each OpenStreetMap meant. As an interesting aside, it defines OpenStreetMap without qualification to be the database itself rather than any human entity ... may be a useful legal construct in the future. I also intend forwarding it to the Japanese community since treatment of disputed-island naming is an issue there as it ties the hands of the national mapping agency on how cooperative they can be with us. If I get any substantial feedback, I will forward to board. Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Information for officials and diplomats of countries and entities with disputed territories
It seems as if we inadvertently CC's this to the public legal-talk list and not to the LWG one. Apologies to all. Simon Am 09.07.2013 21:56, schrieb Simon Poole: Sorry for missing the meeting got my times confused, It is a definite yes from me. There is a term in singular that should be plural I believe. But otherwise completely ok with me. Simon Am 09.07.2013 20:38, schrieb Michael Collinson: Simon, Oliver, Dermot and I have give a finally look over the document and are happy to now send it to the board as our formal proposal. However, as Chair I would really prefer a formal quorate, 4, for such things and ask you to indicate yes or no by email before I send it. https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/1uQ0hpkFxqdNf7aPMk_5PaHFZojxULMcWXxLJRbYq4oE/edit The draft is of the last meeting + your changes + we went through and considered and clarified what each OpenStreetMap meant. As an interesting aside, it defines OpenStreetMap without qualification to be the database itself rather than any human entity ... may be a useful legal construct in the future. I also intend forwarding it to the Japanese community since treatment of disputed-island naming is an issue there as it ties the hands of the national mapping agency on how cooperative they can be with us. If I get any substantial feedback, I will forward to board. Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Wikivoyage and licensing
Hi, In relation to data WV - OSM. Typically, the project has not wanted to accept coords from Wikipedia, because many of them are derived from sources seen as incompatible with OSM. I see any existing WV coords as just another level of indirection. As far as adding WV users adding new POIs to OSM, this is open to everyone who agrees the OSM contributor terms. If you are considering an automated import into OSM of WV POIs, then once you have the licencing right, this should be discussed on the imports list. I can think of lots of issues here, and legal is just the tip of the iceberg. OSM online editors are becoming more user friendly for adding POIs, in the alternative. Don't want to reinvent the wheel. In relation to geocoding from OSM - WV, and the resulting licence. Firstly, you may want to look at this recent discussion about OSM and Geocoding. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2013-June/007547.html Personally, I think if there is batch geocoding to the extent there is a resulting dataset, it should be available under the ODbL, with attribution. However, the written pages of WV included geocoded POIs in my opinion constitute a produced work. Being pretty familiar with WV and OSM, what I think is the right thing to do is for any automated geocoding is to set up an OSMGeocodeBot account on WV (or similar). That account contains details of what it does, and contains the appropriate attributions and links. In the edit history when adding geocoding it also contains the appropriate attribution and link. If any individual user wants to geocode an handful of individual POIs from OSM, I don't think there is a substantial use, and I don't believe any attribution is required. However, the method above would provide a template should a user wish to use it. Ian. On 9 July 2013 15:25, torty3 singaporem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Wikivoyage is a travel-based wiki, and was recently incarnated as a Wikimedia project. In its previous history, there weren't any solid attempts at introducing and integrating OpenStreetMaps, but much progress has been made at http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyag … Expeditionhttp://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Dynamic_maps_Expeditionand examples can be seen internally at http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wheaton, which relies on an external map server http://maps.wikivoyage-ev.org/w/poimap2 … e=Hornburghttp://maps.wikivoyage-ev.org/w/poimap2.php?lat=52.02912lon=10.60377zoom=16layer=Olang=dename=Hornburg. I think we are pretty close to start site-wide implementation, but before that, it looks like we need to sort out attribution and legal issues. I know Google Maps data is not accepted here, and we have tried our best to steer users to use OSM data, but some are still more comfortable using Google Maps What's here as a way to pinpoint coordinates. From what I understand, that isn't kosher either - is this correct? We would definitely want to work more closely with OSM, at both importing and exporting data. Plans have been discussed to batch geocode points of interest from the OSM database and also for us to send back new Wikivoyage POIs to OSM. Since coordinate data is still in infancy, if OSM are unsure of Wikivoyage sources, it is still early enough to remove such data and require stronger attribution in the future, to make sure we follow licensing more closely. What would be the suggested process here? On a user basis, we could ask for a source, but what would be the required attribution on a site basis, as we'll be merging OSM geodata into our listings, but some will also be non-OSM/personal geodata. Has enough information been added for a Produced Work? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Guillaume I've answered some of your questions directly on your OSM blog. Here just some general remarks: at least since I've been involved with OSM and likely for a whole lot longer, the tension between what we have stated as the primary function of the main site, providing tools for our contributors to add and edit data, and the expectation that it should be something more google-ish has been very apparent. At times, mostly just to drive the point home, it has been suggested that it might be best to get rid of the map on the front page completely. Now I think there is some consensus that the Map is an important marketing tool that we need to attract more contributors, well at least keep them interested for a couple seconds so that we can tell them our story. But that is likely where the consensus stops and that is one of the reasons (outside of resources) why there hasn't been much visible expansion of services on OSM over the last years. Providing more services to end users would have a lot of consequences, for example it would start encroaching on the business of third parties providing such services now (we naturally already do this with the current site to a certain point), at least raising the bar of what you would need to provide to differentiate your service from OSM. Providing a full blown end-user site would also require substantially more resources than we have at our disposal and would likely mean that our current all volunteer model both for operations and administration would no longer be workable. There are some clear downsides to our current business model for example our main brand is not exposed as much as if we were running 4square, MapQuest Open etc., and on the other hand interesting services for end users that exist don't profit from the OpenStreetMap label as they could do. The important part is to understand that the current lack of end-user services is not because of lack of knowledge, technology or any thing similar, but by design. Now the communities thinking about that may change, but because we are travelling in largely uncharted territory, it is not a surprise that change comes slowly. Simon Am 09.07.2013 06:41, schrieb Guillaume Pratte: Hello, I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap. But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues? I'll give a few concrete examples why, humbly hoping that my words can encourage changes to the main website. First point: searching. I have OpenStreetMap zoomed in to some region of Montreal, Canada. I input café, looking for a coffee shop. I get results from Nominatim, inviting me to visit a village in Brazil named Café or even the Café point in Antarctica. While these search results awaken my globetrotter's desire to explore the world, they frustrate me at the same time. Why couldn't Nominatim priorize results from the bounding box or surrounding? Why can't OpenStreetMap show me results on the map like the OverPass API does, performing a search on the tag amenity=cafe and showing the results on the map? Second point: accessing POI information. I cannot click on point of interests (POI) to get more info about them. Why do we input address, business hours and phone numbers on shops and restaurants if the map cannot easily display this information to the user? Why do I have to show the map's data in order to have information on a point of interest? Third point: maximum zoom level. Some area are densely populated, and OpenStreetMap's current zoom level is not enough to see all details of the map. This is really unfortunate. Example: http://osm.org/go/cIrNs6Qzp-- What are the restaurant surrounding the Hard Rock Café on this map? I have to use the editor to be able to zoom and see all data. Fourth point: sharing a point of interest. There should be an easy way to do that. I have found a (complicated) way to do it, which is all but obvious to newcomers. Here is how: • Using the layer icon at the top right of the map, I select Browse Map Data; • I select the object I want to share (which is not always possible; sometimes it is hidden behind a residential area or similar); • I click on Details • On the resulting page, I click on View way on larger map • I get an URL similar to this that I can share: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=225637513 Fifth point: routing. Why is there absolutely no routing implemented on the main OpenStreetMap website? This is I concede a naïve question, as it might be simply because of limited server resources. Once we have our new servers, is this something we want to implement, as a community? I really like the OpenStreetMap project, and I dream to be able
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
From: Simon Poole [mailto:si...@poole.ch] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis There are some clear downsides to our current business model for example our main brand is not exposed as much as if we were running 4square, MapQuest Open etc., and on the other hand interesting services for end users that exist don't profit from the OpenStreetMap label as they could do. The important part is to understand that the current lack of end-user services is not because of lack of knowledge, technology or any thing similar, but by design. I believe both clickable POIs and routing are on the to-do list but have suffered from a lack of people/time although keep in mind clickable POIs means different things to different people. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Am 09.07.2013 09:13, schrieb Paul Norman: I believe both clickable POIs and routing are on the to-do list but have suffered from a lack of people/time although keep in mind clickable POIs means different things to different people. Yes, I pointed that out in my comment to the OPs blog post. The expectations still need to be managed though, the way both features are implemented in their current incarnations is clearly geared towards contributors, not the general public. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
On 2013-07-09 09:20, Simon Poole wrote: Am 09.07.2013 09:13, schrieb Paul Norman: I believe both clickable POIs and routing are on the to-do list but have suffered from a lack of people/time although keep in mind clickable POIs means different things to different people. Yes, I pointed that out in my comment to the OPs blog post. The expectations still need to be managed though, the way both features are implemented in their current incarnations is clearly geared towards contributors, not the general public. The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to site to get everything: map, routing, information. With OSM it is not. And while it is perfectly clear that OSM has limited resources and will probably never be able to offer all services from one portal, it is the biggest downside we have at the moment. I go to openstreetmap.org to see the map and/or search for places I go to osrm.at to get car routing I go to fietsrouteplanner-zuid.nl for bicycle routing in my neighborhood I go to maps.cloudmade.com for general bicycle or walking routing I go to opengastromap.de to get proper restaurant information (unfortunately Germany only) It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Hi, On 07/09/2013 09:36 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to site to get everything: [...] It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site. Then again, having all this offered by different people and not by one big corporate behemoth might also have advantages. If one day the people at fietsrouteplanner-zuid.nl make a business decision you don't like - say, they tune their parameters in a way you don't agree with, or display advertising, or require registration or whatnot - then you can use someone else's site (or, if one doesn't exist, someone else can with relative ease set up a site). Let's not kid ourselves - even if we *were* to offer everything as a one-stop shop, we'd still have people with special interests whom we couldn't serve from the main site and for whom special third-party sites would be created, and it is in *those* where the value of OSM really becomes apparent. The great thing about OSM is not that we might one day have a site where you can do everything that you can do on Google too; the great thing is that everyone can set up their *own* site where you can do something. And shouldn't we actively encourage that (by, perhaps, better integrating osm.org with third party sites) rather than building our very own corporate behemoth? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Guillaume Pratte wrote: I really like the OpenStreetMap project, and I dream to be able to use it as a primary map instead of Google Maps. I feel resolving these issues would bring me many steps closer to making that dream come true. What do you all think? Do you also have showstoppers that prevent you to use OpenStreetMap as your primary and daily map? Rather than answering each point individually I'll give a general reply of the way *I* think things want to move forward. Openstreetmap has provided a base on which to build applications, and 'routing' is an area where there are some good routing engines available on-line using the 'common' database. We are now looking to address the missing 'historic' data via openhistoricalmap with local groups looking to process material they have into a more common format that can be shared. That is the key here, sharing material. Personally I have my own build of OSRM routing running locally so I can then look at adding my own local materiel since personally I do not like a few of the important directions currently generated by all of the current engines. And I can DO that which is the major difference between OSM and google/bing mapping! The in thing at the moment is 'the cloud', but once again commercial enterprise has hijacked what should be another cooperation tool? While providing backup of our important data elsewhere on the system is a good use of the system, the bulk of unused processing power is based in our own computers, which with the increasing 'unlimited' bandwidths available could be used to perhaps render higher resolution tiles over night somewhere in the world? More practical here is the use of our local machines to run much as stand alone sat nav's do nowadays. We simply download a view of the local area along with routing data from another source on 'the cloud' and then don't need an internet connection to use that data. Important around here since current navigation has many blank areas as I loose mobile broadband completely. What is the point of our having to pay even for 3G when most of the time you can't even get a connection, and can't get at your 'centrally stored' data ;) And 4G is another joke, when it's only available were wireless hotspots provide a better cover? I hope people are seeing where this is going? Do we want to replace google/bing ... probably not ... even for world wide cover? Do we want to provide a much better service 'locally', yes, something that the likes of google/bing can't easily address? I'm running 'locus' on my tablet and phone. It's not prefect, but I can select a map source and a routing engine and even go off-line. All the tools are in place to do most of what we want, so the target now should be to improve 'distribution' so that we can pick up locally enhanced feeds easier and reduce the load on the 'main' map? My next problem is simply addressing the holes in my one use of OSM which is another discussion. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Maarten Deen wrote: The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to site to get everything: map, routing, information. With OSM it is not. And while it is perfectly clear that OSM has limited resources and will probably never be able to offer all services from one portal, it is the biggest downside we have at the moment. I go to openstreetmap.org to see the map and/or search for places I go to osrm.at to get car routing I go to fietsrouteplanner-zuid.nl for bicycle routing in my neighborhood I go to maps.cloudmade.com for general bicycle or walking routing I go to opengastromap.de to get proper restaurant information (unfortunately Germany only) It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site. But a local 'portal' which provides all your locally enhanced feeds could get around that problem? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Am 09.07.2013 09:36, schrieb Maarten Deen: . The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to site to get everything: map, routing, information. With OSM it is not. And while it is perfectly clear that OSM has limited resources and will probably never be able to offer all services from one portal, it is the biggest downside we have at the moment. I go to openstreetmap.org to see the map and/or search for places I go to osrm.at to get car routing I go to fietsrouteplanner-zuid.nl for bicycle routing in my neighborhood I go to maps.cloudmade.com for general bicycle or walking routing I go to opengastromap.de to get proper restaurant information (unfortunately Germany only) It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site. It is a bit like Android vs. iOS with google in the role pf Apple :-) And this is essentially what I was implying with my comments that we and the OSM ecosystem can't/don't leverage the strength of the OpenStreetMap brand. visionary_mode Assuming that we don't want to change our modus operandi, one of the way we might be able to improve things is for openstreetmap.org to have more of a brokerage role in the OSM. While I have been mainly thinking about this in the context of map tile and consulting providers, there is no real reason why we couldn't do something along such lines for routing services, search engines and so on. One way this could work would be similar to umap tied to your OSM account (umap actually already offers a lot of the functionality). So you could choose and configure the map tiles you wanted to see on your version of osm, which search engine to use and so one (and allow a way to easily embed such a map on your web site). It would probably need some minimum API/UI rules but not What is tricky is how to handle commercial offerings (however they are financed directly or by ads), but I think this could be worked out. /visionary_mode Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Frederik Ramm wrote: The great thing about OSM is not that we might one day have a site where you can do everything that you can do on Google too; the great thing is that everyone can set up their *own* site where you can do something. And shouldn't we actively encourage that (by, perhaps, better integrating osm.org with third party sites) rather than building our very own corporate behemoth? The short version of what I said -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
My daughter came bouncing in to my office distracting me :-) Am 09.07.2013 10:01, schrieb Simon Poole: It would probably need some minimum API/UI rules but not What is tricky is how to handle commercial offerings (however they are financed directly or by ads), but I think this could be worked out. should be It would probably need some minimum API/UI rules but not too restrictive. What is tricky ... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Todo List
Given the current thread on the role of OSM as a source I think this is possibly the right forum to post these notes. I'm currently working through a move from my N900 phone augmented by a tomtom sat nav which has provided me with a usable 'in car' setup for a number of years. The N900 has died and while I can simply buy a replacement, Vodafone 'owed' me an upgrade which I was probably paying for anyway, so I picked up an S4 since it runs Android 4.2 and the tablet I've been playing with has the same on it. First problem ... TomTom will not work with S4 for updates or hands free. S4's own hands free is adequate, but not nearly as good as I had. Moving forward, locus provides a tool to replace the TomTom navigation and it works reasonably well, but again not as 'safe' as the TomTom. I use the word 'safe' for a particular reason which is the major todo item. Currently all four of the routing engines locus accesses give a major problem on UK major road junctions. The problem is that directions given for major junctions tend to be 'straight on' where the ACTUAL move is to take the slip road. This is where I am wondering if the 'global' nature of this is perhaps getting in the way? With driving on the left or right confusing things. Improving UK routing to handle major junctions safely is not something that would necessarily have the same requirements elsewhere? The micro-mapping discussion also comes in here with actual lane data making giving directions through a complex junction easier to generate. We don't allow 'tagging for the router', but in these cases creating data from nothing is causing a safety problem? I can see the same problem in many countries but requiring a different interpretation of the data hence what should we be doing to ensure that the various routing options do have the best data to provide 'safe' information? There are a couple of other items on the todo list, but I have the material to work on them :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Todo List
Lester I think, if you are addressing this to the general OSM list, we need a better idea of the situation you are referring to ( a marked up photograph for example). Right now it is at least not clear to me what the issue is. BTW have you tried OSMand? Simon Am 09.07.2013 10:46, schrieb Lester Caine: Given the current thread on the role of OSM as a source I think this is possibly the right forum to post these notes. I'm currently working through a move from my N900 phone augmented by a tomtom sat nav which has provided me with a usable 'in car' setup for a number of years. The N900 has died and while I can simply buy a replacement, Vodafone 'owed' me an upgrade which I was probably paying for anyway, so I picked up an S4 since it runs Android 4.2 and the tablet I've been playing with has the same on it. First problem ... TomTom will not work with S4 for updates or hands free. S4's own hands free is adequate, but not nearly as good as I had. Moving forward, locus provides a tool to replace the TomTom navigation and it works reasonably well, but again not as 'safe' as the TomTom. I use the word 'safe' for a particular reason which is the major todo item. Currently all four of the routing engines locus accesses give a major problem on UK major road junctions. The problem is that directions given for major junctions tend to be 'straight on' where the ACTUAL move is to take the slip road. This is where I am wondering if the 'global' nature of this is perhaps getting in the way? With driving on the left or right confusing things. Improving UK routing to handle major junctions safely is not something that would necessarily have the same requirements elsewhere? The micro-mapping discussion also comes in here with actual lane data making giving directions through a complex junction easier to generate. We don't allow 'tagging for the router', but in these cases creating data from nothing is causing a safety problem? I can see the same problem in many countries but requiring a different interpretation of the data hence what should we be doing to ensure that the various routing options do have the best data to provide 'safe' information? There are a couple of other items on the todo list, but I have the material to work on them :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Frederik, On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 09:53:54 +0200, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: ... The great thing about OSM is not that we might one day have a site where you can do everything that you can do on Google too; the great thing is that everyone can set up their *own* site where you can do something. And shouldn't we actively encourage that (by, perhaps, better integrating osm.org with third party sites) rather than building our very own corporate behemoth? That is okay for people who have been in the OSM world for a long time so know about third party sites and also enjoy the freedom to run their own services. I think where an integrated, gmaps style, site would be most useful is in attracting new contributors. Someone coming cold to openstreetmap.org today might mistakenly think that what is the point in contributing to a map where there is no routing or where the map itself is about as interactive as something printed on paper. My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) and then also have a proper contributors portal (maybe at osm.org) which would focus very much on community, showing people active in your area, local mapping events, tagging standards for your country, data sources you can use, tips from experienced mappers, that kind of thing. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Am 09.07.2013 11:25, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) ... I'm sure you realize that even if you call it something different it is still a duck (as in: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ...), In practice what you would like amounts to running a full blown gmaps competitor, and if it even done badly it would be so insanely popular that we would have to turn the project inside out to support it (we already have some of the issues without even trying). Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Would a reasonable compromise be to provide links to projects that use osm? Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/07/2013 11:30 Simon Poole wrote: Am 09.07.2013 11:25, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) ... I'm sure you realize that even if you call it something different it is still a duck (as in: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ...), In practice what you would like amounts to running a full blown gmaps competitor, and if it even done badly it would be so insanely popular that we would have to turn the project inside out to support it (we already have some of the issues without even trying). Simon ___ talk mailing list o...@k3v.eu http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
I'm also very new at Openstreetmap and want to add my 2cents. I think a directory of all the tools available would be a great starting point. So far I was introduced to wheelmap and overpass. But not any of the fantastic dozens of tools available. If those tools were allowed as layers on the main map I would be happy. Let's face it openstreetmap is very little known. I have contacted the geography faculties here in Montreal to let them know an alternative to gmaps exists. Google has become synonymous to search engine. Gmaps has become synonymous to mapping. Immanuel On 2013-07-09 6:42 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Would a reasonable compromise be to provide links to projects that use osm? Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/07/2013 11:30 Simon Poole wrote: Am 09.07.2013 11:25, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) ... I'm sure you realize that even if you call it something different it is still a duck (as in: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ...), In practice what you would like amounts to running a full blown gmaps competitor, and if it even done badly it would be so insanely popular that we would have to turn the project inside out to support it (we already have some of the issues without even trying). Simon ___ talk mailing list o...@k3v.eu http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Well we do have http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services and other lists of services (not suggesting that they are a sufficient replacement for a integrated solution). Simon Am 09.07.2013 12:40, schrieb Philip Barnes: Would a reasonable compromise be to provide links to projects that use osm? Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/07/2013 11:30 Simon Poole wrote: Am 09.07.2013 11:25, schrieb o...@k3v.eu mailto:o...@k3v.eu: My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) ... I'm sure you realize that even if you call it something different it is still a duck (as in: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ...), In practice what you would like amounts to running a full blown gmaps competitor, and if it even done badly it would be so insanely popular that we would have to turn the project inside out to support it (we already have some of the issues without even trying). Simon ___ talk mailing list o...@k3v.eu mailto:o...@k3v.eu http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:30:23 +0200, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 09.07.2013 11:25, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) ... I'm sure you realize that even if you call it something different it is still a duck (as in: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ...), In practice what you would like amounts to running a full blown gmaps competitor, and if it even done badly it would be so insanely popular that we would have to turn the project inside out to support it (we already have some of the issues without even trying). I don't think that would be the case as gmaps is so ingrained in most peoples surfing habits that they aren't suddenly going to change en-masse to OSM whatever the site looks like. It just seems to me that if you have a shop window from 2006 a lot of people aren't going to bother to come in and check-out the great stuff you have in the back room. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Zitat Immanuel Giulea: I'm also very new at Openstreetmap and want to add my 2cents. I think a directory of all the tools available would be a great starting point. Something like this? http://osmtools.de/osmlinks/?page=mainlang=en -- Michael ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Clarifying Geocoding and ODbL
One of the issues with this discussion is that we are using one word to describe many different things, that we tend to view as one from a usage pov. IMHO it would be difficult to see how partial matching/auto-completion of addresses would not simply be generating a substantial extract and hence a derivative database if actually stored. On the other hand I could probably make a case that if addresses that already contain sufficient information to query a database successfully are associated with a single approximate coordinate-tupel (and not with an OSM object as Nominatim can do) that the result could amount to a produced work. But that is just IMHO. Simon Am 08.07.2013 09:46, schrieb Peter K: Hi there, I would like to have clarification on this subject as well (but be aware that I'm just in the process of understanding the OSM license - see the other thread). What I do not understand with the OSM license is the following (constructed) example: * I have a separate geo coder application based on OSM data * I have my own user database which is public to every individual Now what happens when I use the geocoder to let users do autocompleting its addresses in my somehow public database? I have lots of users so this manual copying from OSM would be *substantial* but at the same time it is clear that I cannot make the database itself public. Or is the resulting database still separate as there are clean OSM columns? Regards, Peter. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Maarten Deen wrote: The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to site to get everything: map, routing, information. With OSM it is not. [...] It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site. And that's a great business opportunity for someone... right? Although: it turns out that not even Google has everything. I guess that if you're a car driver who searches for addresses a lot, especially in places with big long roads (where house numbers are really important), Google Maps is wonderful. But fortunately I live in a country where we have (a) short roads and (b) bikes, and actually Google's not all that. Their bike cartography? Cartography is probably too kind. Their bike routing? Sure, if you like being mowed down on lethal fast roads. Their POI display? I sort of fell out of love with that after spending half-an-hour looking for a non-existent bike shop on the back streets of Great Malvern. So, instead, I use OpenCycleMap, CycleStreets, and a couple of other sites. Maybe one day, someone will build the all-in-one British cycle mapping website to end them all, and I'll use that. And I bet you it will be made with OSM data. If even Google can't manage to be everything, openstreetmap.org certainly can't be. Instead, we're at the heart of an ecosystem that allows people to build their own everythings. If the OSM-based everything for you doesn't exist yet, go out and build it. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Using-OpenStreetMap-on-a-daily-basis-tp5768864p5768930.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Am 09.07.2013 14:04, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: It just seems to me that if you have a shop window from 2006 a lot of people aren't going to bother to come in and check-out the great stuff you have in the back room. I believe that it is well recognized that we have a slight contradiction in the way we operate that on the one hand we want and need attractive shop windows to attract more mappers, on the other hand don't actually want to provide services to such contributors (outside of supporting contributing and editing). The, at least historic, way out is to assume that our data consumers, 4square, and all the others, are providing the shop windows and we only have to do something minimal for visitors that stumble on us by accident. If this actually works is open to debate. What is clear is that our past role models (Navteq, TeleAtlas) have themselves departed more from the pure data collector/provider model than we have in response to market pressure (mainly google). Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Guillaume We use here . Almost any system here integrated with osm. F On Jul 9, 2013 11:43 AM, Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net wrote: Hello, I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap. But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues? I'll give a few concrete examples why, humbly hoping that my words can encourage changes to the main website. First point: searching. I have OpenStreetMap zoomed in to some region of Montreal, Canada. I input café, looking for a coffee shop. I get results from Nominatim, inviting me to visit a village in Brazil named Café or even the Café point in Antarctica. While these search results awaken my globetrotter's desire to explore the world, they frustrate me at the same time. Why couldn't Nominatim priorize results from the bounding box or surrounding? Why can't OpenStreetMap show me results on the map like the OverPass API does, performing a search on the tag amenity=cafe and showing the results on the map? Second point: accessing POI information. I cannot click on point of interests (POI) to get more info about them. Why do we input address, business hours and phone numbers on shops and restaurants if the map cannot easily display this information to the user? Why do I have to show the map's data in order to have information on a point of interest? Third point: maximum zoom level. Some area are densely populated, and OpenStreetMap's current zoom level is not enough to see all details of the map. This is really unfortunate. Example: http://osm.org/go/cIrNs6Qzp--What are the restaurant surrounding the Hard Rock Café on this map? I have to use the editor to be able to zoom and see all data. Fourth point: sharing a point of interest. There should be an easy way to do that. I have found a (complicated) way to do it, which is all but obvious to newcomers. Here is how: • Using the layer icon at the top right of the map, I select Browse Map Data; • I select the object I want to share (which is not always possible; sometimes it is hidden behind a residential area or similar); • I click on Details • On the resulting page, I click on View way on larger map • I get an URL similar to this that I can share: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=225637513 Fifth point: routing. Why is there absolutely no routing implemented on the main OpenStreetMap website? This is I concede a naïve question, as it might be simply because of limited server resources. Once we have our new servers, is this something we want to implement, as a community? I really like the OpenStreetMap project, and I dream to be able to use it as a primary map instead of Google Maps. I feel resolving these issues would bring me many steps closer to making that dream come true. What do you all think? Do you also have showstoppers that prevent you to use OpenStreetMap as your primary and daily map? Guillaume ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Todo List
Lester Caine wrote: The problem is that directions given for major junctions tend to be 'straight on' where the ACTUAL move is to take the slip road. FWIW, this isn't a problem I've seen (either on eTrex or Nuvi) with Garmins using OSM data. I suspect it's down to the router rather than a problem with the data... Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
People will stumble more easily on the OpenStreetMap site than on any of the other sites (umap, OSRM, etc..). Most press articles are about OpenStreetMap, so they search for that brand; thus they will end up on the openstreetmap.org website. The list of all services is also neatly hidden on the wiki. How many first time visitors will go from the main page to that page ? I understand that the main website is targeted towards contributors, but that is not clear from just looking at the website. People see a map and probably want to use it in a google way. They compare the features and assume that OpenStreetMap has to offer less. They will not look for an alternative service based upon OSM. just my .5 cents Marc On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 09.07.2013 14:04, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: It just seems to me that if you have a shop window from 2006 a lot of people aren't going to bother to come in and check-out the great stuff you have in the back room. I believe that it is well recognized that we have a slight contradiction in the way we operate that on the one hand we want and need attractive shop windows to attract more mappers, on the other hand don't actually want to provide services to such contributors (outside of supporting contributing and editing). The, at least historic, way out is to assume that our data consumers, 4square, and all the others, are providing the shop windows and we only have to do something minimal for visitors that stumble on us by accident. If this actually works is open to debate. What is clear is that our past role models (Navteq, TeleAtlas) have themselves departed more from the pure data collector/provider model than we have in response to market pressure (mainly google). Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Am 09.07.2013 13:57, schrieb Simon Poole: Well we do have http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services and other lists of services (not suggesting that they are a sufficient replacement for a integrated solution). and you do not find it cause it is hidden in the wiki and not many pages link to it. Well, a link to two or three of these list in the wiki about services, online maps and tools in general would be really helpful. Last week I had to help a friend to get a marker set. Still is still an issue. It is explained on help.osm but again no link from page. The .svg export is another annoying issue as it rarely works. How about a link page under osm.org to better guide interested people ? Could be even just a link to a wiki page. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Todo List
SomeoneElse wrote: The problem is that directions given for major junctions tend to be 'straight on' where the ACTUAL move is to take the slip road. FWIW, this isn't a problem I've seen (either on eTrex or Nuvi) with Garmins using OSM data. I suspect it's down to the router rather than a problem with the data... I tend to agree with you now that I've had a further dig into this. Unfortunately the bug report I posted to the locus forum has not received a reply from last month. There is still a problem with needing to identify which lane of a multi lane junction you you should occupy, and modify that as junction layouts change. In the UK the M4 to M5 junction is being widened and I now need to get into lane 3 to get on the right slip road to go North rather than 2 ... and going through a new route a week or so back I was glad tomtom filled in that data :) Once again the problem is simply one of identifying who is making the mistakes? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Richard Fairhurst wrote: If even Google can't manage to be everything, openstreetmap.org certainly can't be. Instead, we're at the heart of an ecosystem that allows people to build their own everythings. If the OSM-based everything for you doesn't exist yet, go out and build it. I'm certainly getting around to the same point of view. While there are a lot of 'shop windows' to find suitable software, googleplay and other android stores, i-store, linux repositories and even window sources. Searching for OSM or openstreetmap does not give particularly reliable results. Even searching gives a lot of 'miss-information'? So perhaps the starting point is to expand on the long list of links that we do have in a more informative way? We perhaps need to differentiate better services and user software from developer and other tools. A 'router' is not necessarily a 'routing service' and this gets rather messy when you look on the wiki currently? Mike - I'm not talking about making the front end more 'developer' orientated, but better forward users to other available local portals? One of the things that irritates me with the existing map is that it's not immediately obvious where in the world you are, especially if working from a random link. I think I am looking for a 'location' box which also lists local websites and other versions of the database? I'd include a link to an appropriate routing site as part of the box. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
I agree. Adding more functionality to OpenStreetMap.org means that people will use it as a go-to mapping site for things like routing and recommend it to others. This means they'll probably find errors/incompleteness... and they can then fix them or tag them with a note. I know plenty of people who, because of my frequent linking to openstreetmap.org, have joined and fixed a few basic things in their area: adding a pub here or there etc. Making openstreetmap.org more useful for users will hopefully mean there is an increased supply of people who want to edit the map. And if they are just seeing a map in Foursquare or another app, they don't exactly see that there's an edit button. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ On 9 July 2013 at 13:54:54, Marc Gemis (marc.ge...@gmail.com) wrote: People will stumble more easily on the OpenStreetMap site than on any of the other sites (umap, OSRM, etc..). Most press articles are about OpenStreetMap, so they search for that brand; thus they will end up on the openstreetmap.org website. The list of all services is also neatly hidden on the wiki. How many first time visitors will go from the main page to that page ? I understand that the main website is targeted towards contributors, but that is not clear from just looking at the website. People see a map and probably want to use it in a google way. They compare the features and assume that OpenStreetMap has to offer less. They will not look for an alternative service based upon OSM. just my .5 cents ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Am 09.07.2013 13:42, schrieb Immanuel Giulea: ... Let's face it openstreetmap is very little known. I have contacted the geography faculties here in Montreal to let them know an alternative to gmaps exists. Google has become synonymous to search engine. Gmaps has become synonymous to mapping. Before I forget: my usual plea for more help in/for the Communications Working Group http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Communication_Working_Group While we are likely to have enough hands at a regional and local level, we really more help communicating globally (it would in the long run naturally be advantageous if we could sync regional and global comms a bit). So if there are readers that have some experience in the area and want to help, please don't hesitate to get in contact with Harry. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap font
Hello list, are there some style/brand guidelines for the creation of OSM materials? Particularly I was asked about which font could be used to write OpenStreetMap, and the only text I found was the one in the old banner ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osm_linkage.png ) but there isn't no indication of a particular font. An example are the Ubuntu guidelines http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo Regards, Stefano ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap font
On Tuesday 09 July 2013, sabas88 wrote: Hello list, are there some style/brand guidelines for the creation of OSM materials? Particularly I was asked about which font could be used to write OpenStreetMap, and the only text I found was the one in the old banner ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osm_linkage.png ) but there isn't no indication of a particular font. An example are the Ubuntu guidelines http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo The answer is: no. But it would be nice to have one. It would however require someone (with enough design credibility* to quieten the bikeshedders) to sit down and do one. I've also always wanted a blessed colour scheme. Historically, people used Bitstream Vera or Helvetica quite a lot, but I've recently been using Cabin (SIL License). robert. * Here, imagine me coughing a lot in the direction of certain DC/SF organizations. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Making Garmin IMG for Bushwalking - Insanity starts
Check out http://www.cferrero.net/maps/maps_index.html It got me to the point where I can make my own .IMG files Cheers Brett Russell wrote: snip So I have been reading up on mkgmap and struck as usual the standard array of Wikipedia entries that go around in circles with the reader needing to make numerous assumptions and follow links and at the end of this maze either given up or some how figure out what needs to happen. Then I stumbled across http://thebird.nl/tutorials/osm_garmin.html, that while for Linux, explains the concepts so light has started to dawn. snip ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Regiões Administrativas do Distrito Federal
Pois é, tenho essa dúvida também. Quando existem distritos auto-suficientes ou com fraca ligação econômica direta com a sede, com população semelhante ou até maior do que a sede, vale usar livremente a tag? E a sede? Você desconta a população no ponto? Vou jogar um exemplo: Itapemirim-ES vs seu distrito Itaipava (que contém o bairro de Itaoca). A sede é muito menor em população que o distrito. O que fazer? 1. Manter town nas duas, com população total em Itapemirim e local em Itaipava. 2. Village em Itapemirim (se não me engano, tem 9 mil habitantes) e town em Itaipava (tem mais de 10 mil). 3. Town em Itapemirim, com população total, e suburb em Itaipava (acho pouquíssimo adequado, porque são bem distantes e independentes). Eu não sei exatamente o que fazer e atualmente a opção escolhida é a 1. 2013/7/9 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com Tem razão, o DF (que tem governo próprio) é dividido em regiões administrativas (sem governo, subordinados ao DF) e é proibido por lei que uma região dessas tenha governo, então parece mais com a definição de distrito. http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regi%C3%A3o_Administrativa_(Distrito_Federal) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrito#Brasil http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distritos_do_Brasil Sendo assim, as relações das regiões teriam a tag admin_level=9. O nó com o papel admin_centre teria a tag place=city para Brasília (além de capital=yes). Para as outras regiões, se você não tiver um critério melhor (alguma classificação oficial de diferentes tipos de região), pode adotar o indicado no wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) que é: - place=hamlet para regiões com menos de ~mil habitantes - place=village para regiões com menos de ~10 mil habitantes - place=town para regiões com menos de ~100 mil habitantes Pode ser útil: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Lista_de_regi%C3%B5es_administrativas_do_Distrito_Federal_por_popula%C3%A7%C3%A3o Pela definição no wiki do OSM, as 10 mais populosas nessa lista seriam tipicamente consideradas cidades. Eu no fundo acho que não estaria errado colocar admin_level=9 para todas as regiões e usar a tag place livremente (inclusive com o valor city) já que antigamente essas regiões eram chamadas de cidades-satélite. 2013/7/8 Ednei Ramthum do Amaral edneirama...@ig.com.br: Sobre o assunto, vale lembrar que essa divisão da imagem da Wikipédia é a última oficial disponível, mas já foram criadas várias outras regiões administrativas (RAs) q não tiveram seus limites oficiais definidos. Pras RAs mais recentes, a melhor fonte q conheço é a q vem sendo usada pela Codeplan: http://www.codeplan.df.gov.br/areas-tematicas/demografia/257-pdad.html (ver notas metodológicas) Não sei se a melhor opção é listar as RAs desatualizadas, deixando de incluir as mais recentes, mas mantendo a limitação oficial; ou listar tds, usando limitação não oficial; ou até listar todas e usar limitação oficial pras antigas e a não oficial pras novas (o q poderia confundir, dando a entender que uma nova RA fica dentro de uma antiga...) -- Sobre a classificação, eu equivaleria a distrito, por ser intermediário entre cidade e bairro. Cidade no Brasil costuma ser associado a município, e não é o caso das RAs. Brasília, considerada como todo o DF, seria o mais próximo de município (assim é considerada, por exemplo, no Censo). Também não é sempre q existem áreas verdes entre as RAs. Algumas, como o Sudoeste/Octogonal, por exemplo, seriam perfeitamente bairros da RA I - Brasília. Ceilândia e Taguatinga são, visivelmente, uma coisa só. Distritos tb têm essa característica de às vezes serem conurbados (normalmente em cidades grandes), e em outras serem separados da sede (normalmente em municípios pequenos, qnd o distrito acaba buscando emancipação, com o tempo). -- Bom, não costumo participar aqui. Então desculpem se disse algo contrário a algum consenso já estabelecido... Ednei Em 8 de julho de 2013 04:09, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu: Hm será que você tem permissão pra importar isso? Está com uma licença CC 2.5 na Wikipédia, ou seja, requer que as obras derivadas sejam disponibilizadas sob a mesma licença, até onde eu sei isso é incompatível com a licença ODbL do OSM. Se for possível, talvez você possa usar o plugin ImportVec para importar o SVG. Se não funcionar, você pode converter o SVG num PNG e traçar sobre ele usando o PicLayer. Uma coisa que você tem que definir é se essas regiões são cidades (admin_level = 8) ou bairros (admin_level = 10). Se for algo intermediário, talvez possam ser tratadas como distritos (admin_level = 9) ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#admin_level ). Pelo que lembro, o DF não é uma área urbana contínua, as regiões estão separadas por vegetação, então isso me pareceria mais com cidades independentes e não com distritos (normalmente
Re: [Talk-br] Regiões Administrativas do Distrito Federal
O que tenho visto (e utilizado) em Minas Gerais é village para qualquer sede de distrito, seja mais ou menos populoso que a sede. Esta, a meu ver, deveria contemplar o município como um todo. Até para não se criar uma distorção em casos de, por exemplo, cidades-dormitório em regiões metropolitanas onde a sede é muito menos populosa que distritos que conurbam com uma metrópole (exemplos: distrito de São Benedito em Santa Luzia-MG, distrito de Laranjeiras na Serra-ES). Seria incongruente o nó do distrito ser mais relevante que o da cidade. Vítor Rodrigo Dias Revisor de textos Tradutor port/ing/port e port/esp/port Telefone: (31) 9895-3975 - TIM Em 9 de julho de 2013 03:05, Pedro Geaquinto pedrodi...@gmail.comescreveu: Pois é, tenho essa dúvida também. Quando existem distritos auto-suficientes ou com fraca ligação econômica direta com a sede, com população semelhante ou até maior do que a sede, vale usar livremente a tag? E a sede? Você desconta a população no ponto? Vou jogar um exemplo: Itapemirim-ES vs seu distrito Itaipava (que contém o bairro de Itaoca). A sede é muito menor em população que o distrito. O que fazer? 1. Manter town nas duas, com população total em Itapemirim e local em Itaipava. 2. Village em Itapemirim (se não me engano, tem 9 mil habitantes) e town em Itaipava (tem mais de 10 mil). 3. Town em Itapemirim, com população total, e suburb em Itaipava (acho pouquíssimo adequado, porque são bem distantes e independentes). Eu não sei exatamente o que fazer e atualmente a opção escolhida é a 1. 2013/7/9 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com Tem razão, o DF (que tem governo próprio) é dividido em regiões administrativas (sem governo, subordinados ao DF) e é proibido por lei que uma região dessas tenha governo, então parece mais com a definição de distrito. http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regi%C3%A3o_Administrativa_(Distrito_Federal) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrito#Brasil http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distritos_do_Brasil Sendo assim, as relações das regiões teriam a tag admin_level=9. O nó com o papel admin_centre teria a tag place=city para Brasília (além de capital=yes). Para as outras regiões, se você não tiver um critério melhor (alguma classificação oficial de diferentes tipos de região), pode adotar o indicado no wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) que é: - place=hamlet para regiões com menos de ~mil habitantes - place=village para regiões com menos de ~10 mil habitantes - place=town para regiões com menos de ~100 mil habitantes Pode ser útil: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Lista_de_regi%C3%B5es_administrativas_do_Distrito_Federal_por_popula%C3%A7%C3%A3o Pela definição no wiki do OSM, as 10 mais populosas nessa lista seriam tipicamente consideradas cidades. Eu no fundo acho que não estaria errado colocar admin_level=9 para todas as regiões e usar a tag place livremente (inclusive com o valor city) já que antigamente essas regiões eram chamadas de cidades-satélite. 2013/7/8 Ednei Ramthum do Amaral edneirama...@ig.com.br: Sobre o assunto, vale lembrar que essa divisão da imagem da Wikipédia é a última oficial disponível, mas já foram criadas várias outras regiões administrativas (RAs) q não tiveram seus limites oficiais definidos. Pras RAs mais recentes, a melhor fonte q conheço é a q vem sendo usada pela Codeplan: http://www.codeplan.df.gov.br/areas-tematicas/demografia/257-pdad.html (ver notas metodológicas) Não sei se a melhor opção é listar as RAs desatualizadas, deixando de incluir as mais recentes, mas mantendo a limitação oficial; ou listar tds, usando limitação não oficial; ou até listar todas e usar limitação oficial pras antigas e a não oficial pras novas (o q poderia confundir, dando a entender que uma nova RA fica dentro de uma antiga...) -- Sobre a classificação, eu equivaleria a distrito, por ser intermediário entre cidade e bairro. Cidade no Brasil costuma ser associado a município, e não é o caso das RAs. Brasília, considerada como todo o DF, seria o mais próximo de município (assim é considerada, por exemplo, no Censo). Também não é sempre q existem áreas verdes entre as RAs. Algumas, como o Sudoeste/Octogonal, por exemplo, seriam perfeitamente bairros da RA I - Brasília. Ceilândia e Taguatinga são, visivelmente, uma coisa só. Distritos tb têm essa característica de às vezes serem conurbados (normalmente em cidades grandes), e em outras serem separados da sede (normalmente em municípios pequenos, qnd o distrito acaba buscando emancipação, com o tempo). -- Bom, não costumo participar aqui. Então desculpem se disse algo contrário a algum consenso já estabelecido... Ednei Em 8 de julho de 2013 04:09, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu: Hm será que você tem permissão pra importar isso? Está com uma licença CC 2.5 na Wikipédia, ou seja, requer que as obras derivadas sejam disponibilizadas
[Talk-br] Fwd: [Imports] IBGE license statement
Pessoal, vou repassar a informação para conhecimento da comunidade. Estou tentando um contato mais direto com o IBGE para saber que tipo de atribuição eles exigem. Acho que há duas leituras possíveis: - atribuição é a possibilidade de descobrir qual é a fonte dos dados (bastaria a tag source ou mesmo uma tag nos changesets da importação dos dados) - atribuição é uma indicação clara da fonte sempre que os dados forem disponibilizados para alguém A segunda leitura exigiria colocar uma nota por cima ou ao lado do mapa toda vez que esses dados fossem exibidos (impraticável) ou verificar com a fonte (no caso, o IBGE) se bastaria fazer a atribuição correta nesta página (referida tanto na página oficial ao lado do mapa quanto na configuração padrão dos slippymaps, usados em outros sites): http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Se o IBGE aceitar ser um contribuidor oficial, o melhor seria relatar esse fato aqui junto com o link para a licença: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors Inclusive, seria interessante verificar se as outras fontes usadas em importações anteriores no Brasil poderiam constar nessa página. (Bem, isso é o mundo ideal, talvez essas fontes nem disponibilizem a sua licença de uso em algum lugar...) -- Forwarded message -- From: Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [Imports] IBGE license statement To: Eric Ladner eric.lad...@gmail.com Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org impo...@openstreetmap.org On 6 July 2013 22:45, Eric Ladner eric.lad...@gmail.com wrote: Worst case, put a source:IBGE on every imported item (which technically should be there anyway). No, please don't do that. As discussed on other threads, the correct place to provide attribution is on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright and the associated wiki page, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors If you want to provide sources for the entities in the bulk import, then do so using a tag on the changeset. It uses approximately 1/50,000th of the space in the database. Further, since it's only the first version of the entity that comes from the bulk import, that source for that version can be automatically traced via the changeset, and saves us waiting 6 months before adding it to the ever-growing list of tags-to-automatically-strip-in-editors. In summary, the entities created in a bulk import should contain the absolute minimal set of tags. The changesets are an appropriate place for any necessary metadata regarding the import. Thanks, Andy ___ Imports mailing list impo...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law) The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law) ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Wann macht es wieder einmal BING?
Danke für den Hoffnungsschimmer Gruß hike39 Am 08.07.2013 08:00, schrieb Walter Nordmann: gestern im Forum eingetrudelt: motograter wrote Hi all, flights have resumed and should be completed this summer given good weather conditions. Cheers. Gruß Walter http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=345675#p345675 - [url=osm.wno-edv-service.de/residentials] Missing Residentials Map 1.13[/url] -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Wann-macht-es-wieder-einmal-BING-tp5768353p5768718.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wann macht es wieder einmal BING?
2013/7/5 Horst Garstka ho...@hike.de Hallo zusammen, nachdem Anfang des Jahres wieder aktuellere Luftbilder bei BING aufgetaucht sind, aber die Region im bayrischen Oberland davon nicht profitiert hat, hatte man uns hier auf später vertröstet. Leider ist nichts geschehen. Ich muß mich immer noch mit dem Stand Jun/2005 begnügen. Hat jemand von Euch Informationen, ob und wann ich mit einer Verbesserung dieser Situation rechnen könnte? bayrischen Oberland - ist das zwischen München und Salzburg? Denn da scheint es gerade neue Bilder gegeben zu haben. Block Rosenheim, Bad Reichenhall (Mittersill) komplett: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=48maxlon=13minlat=47minlon=12 Block Holzkirchen, Garmisch (Innsbruck) ca. 3/4 - ein Streifen von Holzkirchen ins Zillertal fehlt noch: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=48maxlon=12minlat=47minlon=11 Außerdem neu das westliche Rhein-Ruhrgebiet von Duisburg bis Köln. In der allerhöchsten Zoomstufe sind aber die alten, älteren aber höher aufgelösten Bilder weiterhin sichtbar. Weiterhin der Block Itzehohe, Rotenburg (Wümme) ohne Hamburg [West]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=54maxlon=10minlat=53minlon=09 Es fehlen somit noch die Blöcke Emmerich, Bottrop, Düsseldorf (ohne westliches Rhein-Ruhrgebiet): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=52maxlon=07minlat=51minlon=06 Münster, Dortmund, Olpe, Leverkusen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=52maxlon=08minlat=51minlon=07 Paderborn, Meschede, Frankenberg (Eder): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=52maxlon=09minlat=51minlon=08 Wismar, Schwerin, Ludwigslust: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=54.2maxlon=12minlat=53minlon=11 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Einführung eines neuen Tags (globaleID)
Moin! Am 07.07.2013 08:19, schrieb Tracy Kasperczyk: Sehr geehrte OSM-Gemeinde, wir die Firma Mentz Datebverarbeitung GmbH mit dem Sitz in München ( http://www.mentzdv.de/), arbeiten gerade daran die Bahnhöfe in Bayern, NRW und Baden-Würtenberg zu überarbeiten mit dem Ziel einer vollständigen und einheitlichen Darstellung. Bitte beschreibt, was ihr ändern und vereinheitlichen wollt, bevor ihr in großem Umfang Bahnhöfe überarbeitet. Gibt es schon einen Musterbahnhof? Für diese Erfassung benötigen wir einen neuen Tag. Dieser Tag soll globale_id_pt = * (IFOPT Nummer) heißen. Ich finde den Namen globale_id_pt ungünstig (Denglish und nicht intuitiv verständlich). Warum nicht ref_ifopt? Die von anderen geäußerten Bedenken gegen diese Information teile ich nicht. Gruß Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] stazioni di ricarica elettrica
2013/7/8 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: per me quella pagina non suggerisce ref:ENEL:cs o ref:IT:ENEL, in generale eviterei IT se non necessario, metterei ref:enel o ref. cs non è necessario perché il ref si riferisce sempre all'oggetto a cui è stato agguinto. ref:enel ha qualche senso (quando ci sono più ref in db di gestori diversi per la stessa charging station dell'ENEL), perché indica chi ha dato quel ref, ma direi che un ref semplice è preferibile ed insieme al tag operator dovrebbe essere chiaro chi ha dato quel ref. +1 ciao, Martin -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] stazioni di ricarica elettrica
Buongiorno, Ecco un aggiornamento, abbiamo: - modificato la pagina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Enel_Open_Datain Inglese. - aggiunto nella TODO la verifica di 3/4 stazioni a Genoa create da Alessandro, al fine di evitare duplicati. - rimosso il campo *name*, - aggiunto le traduzioni in Nominatim per *charging_station* (stazione di ricarica, stazione di ricarica elettrica, colonnina di ricarica), - aggiunto il tag *ref:enel* (come da ultima mail di Luca e di Martin), - rimosso addr:housenumber (ma lasciato al momento addr:street, che ne dite?), - aggiunto *source* al Changeset - aggiunto *url:en* al Changeset Il changeset di test aggiornato é disponibile qui: http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/28294 Quali sono le prossime azioni? Ciao, David 2013/7/9 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com 2013/7/8 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: per me quella pagina non suggerisce ref:ENEL:cs o ref:IT:ENEL, in generale eviterei IT se non necessario, metterei ref:enel o ref. cs non è necessario perché il ref si riferisce sempre all'oggetto a cui è stato agguinto. ref:enel ha qualche senso (quando ci sono più ref in db di gestori diversi per la stessa charging station dell'ENEL), perché indica chi ha dato quel ref, ma direi che un ref semplice è preferibile ed insieme al tag operator dovrebbe essere chiaro chi ha dato quel ref. +1 ciao, Martin -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- David Riccitelli -- check the Swagger for WordLift http://bit.ly/VtoM5H InsideOut10 s.r.l. P.IVA: IT-11381771002 Fax: +39 0110708239 --- LinkedIn: http://it.linkedin.com/in/riccitelli Twitter: ziodave --- Layar Partner Networkhttp://www.layar.com/publishing/developers/list/?page=1country=city=keyword=insideout10lpn=1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - Società degli Alpinistri Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
Grande notizia, la presenza su OSM di dati relativi alle attività outdoor è punto di forza notevole e l'apertura di questi dati facilita il compito alla comunità. Speriamo che un giorno anche il CAI possa intraprendere questa strada -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/La-SAT-Societa-degli-Alpinistri-Tridentini-rilascia-in-Open-Data-i-dati-dei-sentieri-tp5768851p5768896.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] stazioni di ricarica elettrica
Grazie David, 2013/7/9 David Riccitelli da...@insideout.io Ecco un aggiornamento, abbiamo: - modificato la pagina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Enel_Open_Data in Inglese. * aggiunto nella TODO la verifica di 3/4 stazioni a Genoa create da Alessandro, al fine di evitare duplicati. c'è una cosa: user ale_zena [AT] libero.it mapped already 3 or 4 charging stations in Genoa. In order to avoid duplicate data, these stations shall be deleted when data will be imported. al solito vuol dire che chi importa dati aggiunge eventuali informazioni mancanti a questi nodi già esistenti (visto che parliamo di 3 nodi la cosa più semplice è di togliere i corrispettivi nodi dal vostro dataset e di aggiungere a mano eventuali tag mancanti ai nodi già esistenti). Non vanno mai cancellato dati esistenti per sostituirli con gli stessi dati. - rimosso addr:housenumber (ma lasciato al momento addr:street, che ne dite?), direi che è la stessa cosa, vanno rimossi, la posizione postale approssimata si può sempre creare con reverse geocoding. Il changeset di test aggiornato é disponibile qui: http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/28294 Quali sono le prossime azioni? annunci in lista import (in inglese). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - Società degli Alpinistri Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
la SAT è una sezione del CAI composta da 27.000 iscritti, magari ... 2013/7/9 Vincenzo Galgano vincenzo.galg...@gmail.com: Grande notizia, la presenza su OSM di dati relativi alle attività outdoor è punto di forza notevole e l'apertura di questi dati facilita il compito alla comunità. Speriamo che un giorno anche il CAI possa intraprendere questa strada -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/La-SAT-Societa-degli-Alpinistri-Tridentini-rilascia-in-Open-Data-i-dati-dei-sentieri-tp5768851p5768896.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] stazioni di ricarica elettrica
Ciao, * aggiunto nella TODO la verifica di 3/4 stazioni a Genoa create da Alessandro, al fine di evitare duplicati. c'è una cosa: user ale_zena [AT] libero.it mapped already 3 or 4 charging stations in Genoa. In order to avoid duplicate data, these stations shall be deleted when data will be imported. al solito vuol dire che chi importa dati aggiunge eventuali informazioni mancanti a questi nodi già esistenti (visto che parliamo di 3 nodi la cosa più semplice è di togliere i corrispettivi nodi dal vostro dataset e di aggiungere a mano eventuali tag mancanti ai nodi già esistenti). Non vanno mai cancellato dati esistenti per sostituirli con gli stessi dati. Ok, giusto, allora andremo ad aggiornare i nodi esistenti. Alessandro, mi potresti dare un link ai nodi? - rimosso addr:housenumber (ma lasciato al momento addr:street, che ne dite?), direi che è la stessa cosa, vanno rimossi, la posizione postale approssimata si può sempre creare con reverse geocoding. Ok, rimosso (http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/28297). In giornata facciamo l'annuncio su Import. Grazie a tutti! David 2013/7/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Grazie David, 2013/7/9 David Riccitelli da...@insideout.io Ecco un aggiornamento, abbiamo: - modificato la pagina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Enel_Open_Data in Inglese. * aggiunto nella TODO la verifica di 3/4 stazioni a Genoa create da Alessandro, al fine di evitare duplicati. c'è una cosa: user ale_zena [AT] libero.it mapped already 3 or 4 charging stations in Genoa. In order to avoid duplicate data, these stations shall be deleted when data will be imported. al solito vuol dire che chi importa dati aggiunge eventuali informazioni mancanti a questi nodi già esistenti (visto che parliamo di 3 nodi la cosa più semplice è di togliere i corrispettivi nodi dal vostro dataset e di aggiungere a mano eventuali tag mancanti ai nodi già esistenti). Non vanno mai cancellato dati esistenti per sostituirli con gli stessi dati. - rimosso addr:housenumber (ma lasciato al momento addr:street, che ne dite?), direi che è la stessa cosa, vanno rimossi, la posizione postale approssimata si può sempre creare con reverse geocoding. Il changeset di test aggiornato é disponibile qui: http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/28294 Quali sono le prossime azioni? annunci in lista import (in inglese). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- David Riccitelli -- check the Swagger for WordLift http://bit.ly/VtoM5H InsideOut10 s.r.l. P.IVA: IT-11381771002 Fax: +39 0110708239 --- LinkedIn: http://it.linkedin.com/in/riccitelli Twitter: ziodave --- Layar Partner Networkhttp://www.layar.com/publishing/developers/list/?page=1country=city=keyword=insideout10lpn=1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - � Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
Il 09/07/2013 11:03, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto: la SAT � una sezione del CAI composta da 27.000 iscritti, magari ... Io sono uno degli iscritti alla SAT), sto pensando di fare una mail e metterla qui e nelle altre mailing list che ho per spedirla come bombardamento richiesta. dici che può funzionare? -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Utenti che importano con errori
Ciao, questi due utenti stanno facendo import (sbagliati) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AlfiusMSA/edits http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/studiovega/edits esempio http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8245lon=16.13938zoom=15 e http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.70612lon=15.96067zoom=19 Potete contattarli / farli bloccare? Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utenti che importano con errori
Beh per avvisarli basta che usi la funzione di invio messaggio su OSM. Chiedi loro da dove arrivano i dati, se hanno la licenza compatibile con la ODbl e che metodi di conversione/import stanno usando. Magari dì loro di scrivere qui in ML in modo tale da poterli aiutare. Se non rispondono, segnalazione al DWG e revert immediato. Leonardo Il 09/07/2013 12:22, sabas88 ha scritto: Ciao, questi due utenti stanno facendo import (sbagliati) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AlfiusMSA/edits http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/studiovega/edits esempio http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8245lon=16.13938zoom=15 e http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.70612lon=15.96067zoom=19 Potete contattarli / farli bloccare? Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utenti che importano con errori
On 9 July 2013 12:22, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote: Ciao, Ciao http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/studiovega/edits questo lo conosco e l'ho appena contattato, mi ha chiesto di fargli sapere cosa sta sbagliando. se mi fate sapere riferisco Potete contattarli / farli bloccare? per adesso si è autobloccato Ciao, Stefano -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utenti che importano con errori
Su flickr AlfiusMSA si chiama Alfredo di Padova Se questo vuol dire che è di Padova, poso offrirli di darli una mano anche in persona (dalla settimana prossima sono di nuovo a Padova). Quando gli scrivi puoi chiedere dove risiede. Volker 2013/7/9 Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com Beh per avvisarli basta che usi la funzione di invio messaggio su OSM. Chiedi loro da dove arrivano i dati, se hanno la licenza compatibile con la ODbl e che metodi di conversione/import stanno usando. Magari dì loro di scrivere qui in ML in modo tale da poterli aiutare. Se non rispondono, segnalazione al DWG e revert immediato. Leonardo Il 09/07/2013 12:22, sabas88 ha scritto: Ciao, questi due utenti stanno facendo import (sbagliati) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AlfiusMSA/edits http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/studiovega/edits esempio http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8245lon=16.13938zoom=15 e http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.70612lon=15.96067zoom=19 Potete contattarli / farli bloccare? Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing listTalk-it@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utenti che importano con errori
Penso che si tratta della stessa persona o persone cha lavorano assieme On 9 July 2013 12:22, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote: Ciao, questi due utenti stanno facendo import (sbagliati) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AlfiusMSA/edits http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/studiovega/edits esempio http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8245lon=16.13938zoom=15 e http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.70612lon=15.96067zoom=19 Potete contattarli / farli bloccare? Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - Società degli Alpinistri Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
Appena concluso il mapping party di Daone [2] è arrivata la bella notizia del cambio di licenza dei sentieri SAT e così abbiamo 5000 km di sentieri da importare (circa 2000 km dovrebbero essere già presenti in OSM). Vorrei sottolineare alcuni aspetti prima che si inizi ad importare dati: 1) i dati SAT non sempre sono di buona precisione, pertanto quando si importano i dati di una zona conosciuta è bene valutarli prima del caricamento. Dal sito SAT: /I dati non sono frutto di un rilievo di precisione GPS ma in gran parte sono stati digitalizzati utilizzando come riferimento e sfondo la cartografia della Provincia Autonoma di Trento. Non vi è alcuna garanzia sul grado di precisione o sulla correttezza delle coordinate/. 2) cerchiamo il più possibile di unificare i tag utilizzati: *ref:* riportare prima del numero E oppure O (es: ref=O246 oppure ref=E246) in quanto i sentieri sono catalogati anteponendo E se sono ad est del fiume dell'Adige oppure O se sono ad ovest. *operator:* Società degli Alpinisti Trentini *source:* www.sat.tn.it *osmc:symbol:* red:red:white_bar:XXX:black dove al posto di XXX si riporta il numero del sentiero 3) per la classificazione delle difficoltà dei sentieri utilizzare questa tabella in modo da adattare la classificazione CAI-SAT con quella svizzera. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Silviopen/tabellasentieri. 4) utiliziare delle relazioni come indicato http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Hiking 5) tenere aggiornata questa pagina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trentino/Sentieri Altri suggerimenti? Dario Zontini [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_la_tua_estate_in_Trentino Il 08/07/2013 22:57, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto: Grazie all'attività dei soci SAT Dario Zontini, responsabile dell'ufficio anagrafe di Storo [1] sul tema di GPS e Mappe con OpenStreetMap [2] e della preziosa collaborazione di Michele Zanolli (tecnico GIS del comune di Trento) ora la SAT - Società degli Alpinisti Tridentini ha deciso di rilasciare le traccie GPX dei loro sentieri con una licenza Open Data. http://www.sat.tn.it/default.aspx?fn=loadareaidarea=450 [1] Storo e' stato il primo comune del Trentino che ha aperto i dati *catastali* riversandoli su OpenStreetMap http://lists.gfoss.it/pipermail/gfoss/2009-September/013401.html compresi anche i *numeri civici* come si vede su openstreetmap http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.849029lon=10.580295zoom=18layers=Q [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_la_tua_estate_in_Trentino ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Ciao Durante una gita con altri OSMer qualche tempo fa è saltata fuori l'idea di preparare un biglietto da visita da lasciare ai vari alberghi, ristoranti ecc. nel momento in cui si prende il loro biglietto per inserirne i dati su OSM. L'idea era anche che il biglietto puntasse ad una pagina con informazioni su cos'è OSM e soprattutto come usarlo per gli scopi tipici di cui può avere bisogno un esercizio pubblico: mappa sul sito, mappa da stampare per volantini/biglietti. Ho preparato una bozza di come possa essere fatta la pagina_ (da integrare) e ho provato a fare qualche prova per il biglietto, ma stava uscendo un obbrobrio per cui mi sono limitata ad uploadarne una bozza con i contenuti proposti. .. _pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_commerciale Qualcuno che ne è capace ha tempo/voglia di tirar fuori qualcosa di adatto allo scopo? Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Non male come idea! Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 14:01, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Un tag QR? Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utenti che importano con errori
Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 13:00, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: On 9 July 2013 12:22, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote: Ciao, Ciao http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/studiovega/edits questo lo conosco e l'ho appena contattato, mi ha chiesto di fargli sapere cosa sta sbagliando. se mi fate sapere riferisco Nel caso di Alfius ha importato edifici senza tag, nel caso di studiovega probabilmente sono stati importati i nodi e non le linee (ci sono nodi con building=residential a gruppi di quattro)... Potete contattarli / farli bloccare? per adesso si è autobloccato Nel caso fosse un import c'è comunque anche la parte burocratica da espletare :-) Ciao, Stefano -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Mi piace, una volta parlando con qualcuno avevo buttato là l'idea di fare gli adesivi tipo quelli che mandano quelli di Google e Tripadvisor... Si potrebbe fare anche una pagina sul blog o in altro luogo.. Ciao, Stefano Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 14:05, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.comha scritto: Non male come idea! Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 14:01, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Un tag QR? Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
On 2013-07-09 at 14:05:19 +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Un tag QR? ottima idea aggiungerlo, ma credo che sia meglio mettere comunque anche l'URL in modo leggibile da umani -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 14:20, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: On 2013-07-09 at 14:05:19 +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Un tag QR? ottima idea aggiungerlo, ma credo che sia meglio mettere comunque anche l'URL in modo leggibile da umani +1, senz'altro. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Serve una comunicazione chiara e mirata (del tipo: sei sfigato se non ci sei ancora). Evitate cose tecnologiche, il 90% ha il cellulare più figo del momento ma magari non lo sanno usare e si infastidiscono se scoprono qualcosa di nuovo. Come la vedo io sarebbe cosa carina obbligarli a farlo. Sull'adesivo metterei: Sono su OSM (grande) e su altri siti amici (piccolo) LOGO_OSM URI Per il costo che ha si potrebbe registrare il dominio www.SonoSuOSM.it e redirigere alla pagina del wiki. Nel wiki gli darei il benvenuto nella comunità in grado di costruire i progetti più spettacolari etc. Qui bisogna giocare sporco, si tratta di commercio e solo dopo lo si potrà sensibilizzare ed educare sui buoni propositi. I miei 2ç Berti ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Il 09/07/2013 14:01, Elena ``of Valhalla'' ha scritto: Ciao Durante una gita con altri OSMer qualche tempo fa è saltata fuori l'idea di preparare un biglietto da visita da lasciare ai vari alberghi, ristoranti ecc. nel momento in cui si prende il loro biglietto per inserirne i dati su OSM. L'idea era anche che il biglietto puntasse ad una pagina con informazioni su cos'è OSM e soprattutto come usarlo per gli scopi tipici di cui può avere bisogno un esercizio pubblico: mappa sul sito, mappa da stampare per volantini/biglietti. Ho preparato una bozza di come possa essere fatta la pagina_ (da integrare) e ho provato a fare qualche prova per il biglietto, ma stava uscendo un obbrobrio per cui mi sono limitata ad uploadarne una bozza con i contenuti proposti. .. _pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_commerciale Qualcuno che ne è capace ha tempo/voglia di tirar fuori qualcosa di adatto allo scopo? Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Ottima idea e non lo trovo neanche male come lo hai fatto, anzi. Per il fatto delle licenze ok metterle, anche se poi la maggior parte non sapranno cosa sono. Magari dopo la frase dei volontari raccolgono puoi inserire la parola gratuitamente, che per noi deve essere scontata ma credo possa fare effetto su alcuni esercenti. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] stazioni di ricarica elettrica
On 09/lug/2013, at 11:19, David Riccitelli da...@insideout.io wrote: Grazie a tutti! grazie a te, è un bel dataset da aver integrato! ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Il 09/07/2013 14:36, Gianluca Boero ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 14:01, Elena ``of Valhalla'' ha scritto: Ciao Durante una gita con altri OSMer qualche tempo fa è saltata fuori l'idea di preparare un biglietto da visita da lasciare ai vari alberghi, ristoranti ecc. nel momento in cui si prende il loro biglietto per inserirne i dati su OSM. L'idea era anche che il biglietto puntasse ad una pagina con informazioni su cos'è OSM e soprattutto come usarlo per gli scopi tipici di cui può avere bisogno un esercizio pubblico: mappa sul sito, mappa da stampare per volantini/biglietti. Ho preparato una bozza di come possa essere fatta la pagina_ (da integrare) e ho provato a fare qualche prova per il biglietto, ma stava uscendo un obbrobrio per cui mi sono limitata ad uploadarne una bozza con i contenuti proposti. .. _pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_commerciale Qualcuno che ne è capace ha tempo/voglia di tirar fuori qualcosa di adatto allo scopo? Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Ottima idea e non lo trovo neanche male come lo hai fatto, anzi. Per il fatto delle licenze ok metterle, anche se poi la maggior parte non sapranno cosa sono. Magari dopo la frase dei volontari raccolgono puoi inserire la parola gratuitamente, che per noi deve essere scontata ma credo possa fare effetto su alcuni esercenti. Non male il biglietto da visita, però conviene preparare, secondo me, un biglietto light con in pratica solo il frontespizio e il link da dare agli operatori poco pratici con la tecnologia. Non escludo che qualcuno poco abile riesca a dedurre che d'ora in poi se aderisce dovrà dare pasti gratuiti (nel caso del ristorante) a tutti quelli che si presentano con quel biglietto... ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] stazioni di ricarica elettrica
Ho inviato la richiesta su imports. Vi tengo aggiornati, Ciao, David 2013/7/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com On 09/lug/2013, at 11:19, David Riccitelli da...@insideout.io wrote: Grazie a tutti! grazie a te, è un bel dataset da aver integrato! ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- David Riccitelli -- check the Swagger for WordLift http://bit.ly/VtoM5H InsideOut10 s.r.l. P.IVA: IT-11381771002 Fax: +39 0110708239 --- LinkedIn: http://it.linkedin.com/in/riccitelli Twitter: ziodave --- Layar Partner Networkhttp://www.layar.com/publishing/developers/list/?page=1country=city=keyword=insideout10lpn=1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Io piuttosto proporrei di usare un eventuale dominio per un semplice form nel quale l'operatore possa inserire i dettagli del esercizio ed il form, magari, pubblichi in automatico una nota su OSM in modo che poi uno dei mappatori più esperti possa inserire il nodo (magari la nota già contiene i dati nel formato corretto). per catturae la posizione si può usare una mappa leaflet e catture il click. Con un bel captcha per evitare inserimenti spammosi Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 15:48, Giulio Garbi juliu...@alice.it ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 14:36, Gianluca Boero ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 14:01, Elena ``of Valhalla'' ha scritto: Ciao Durante una gita con altri OSMer qualche tempo fa è saltata fuori l'idea di preparare un biglietto da visita da lasciare ai vari alberghi, ristoranti ecc. nel momento in cui si prende il loro biglietto per inserirne i dati su OSM. L'idea era anche che il biglietto puntasse ad una pagina con informazioni su cos'è OSM e soprattutto come usarlo per gli scopi tipici di cui può avere bisogno un esercizio pubblico: mappa sul sito, mappa da stampare per volantini/biglietti. Ho preparato una bozza di come possa essere fatta la pagina_ (da integrare) e ho provato a fare qualche prova per il biglietto, ma stava uscendo un obbrobrio per cui mi sono limitata ad uploadarne una bozza con i contenuti proposti. .. _pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_ **commercialehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_commerciale Qualcuno che ne è capace ha tempo/voglia di tirar fuori qualcosa di adatto allo scopo? Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Ottima idea e non lo trovo neanche male come lo hai fatto, anzi. Per il fatto delle licenze ok metterle, anche se poi la maggior parte non sapranno cosa sono. Magari dopo la frase dei volontari raccolgono puoi inserire la parola gratuitamente, che per noi deve essere scontata ma credo possa fare effetto su alcuni esercenti. Non male il biglietto da visita, però conviene preparare, secondo me, un biglietto light con in pratica solo il frontespizio e il link da dare agli operatori poco pratici con la tecnologia. Non escludo che qualcuno poco abile riesca a dedurre che d'ora in poi se aderisce dovrà dare pasti gratuiti (nel caso del ristorante) a tutti quelli che si presentano con quel biglietto... __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi skype: asca_edom ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
e pensandoci, non occorre neppure creare un sito ad hoc , basta blog.openstreetmap.it ... Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 16:06, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi e.marascal...@gmail.com ha scritto: Io piuttosto proporrei di usare un eventuale dominio per un semplice form nel quale l'operatore possa inserire i dettagli del esercizio ed il form, magari, pubblichi in automatico una nota su OSM in modo che poi uno dei mappatori più esperti possa inserire il nodo (magari la nota già contiene i dati nel formato corretto). per catturae la posizione si può usare una mappa leaflet e catture il click. Con un bel captcha per evitare inserimenti spammosi Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 15:48, Giulio Garbi juliu...@alice.it ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 14:36, Gianluca Boero ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 14:01, Elena ``of Valhalla'' ha scritto: Ciao Durante una gita con altri OSMer qualche tempo fa è saltata fuori l'idea di preparare un biglietto da visita da lasciare ai vari alberghi, ristoranti ecc. nel momento in cui si prende il loro biglietto per inserirne i dati su OSM. L'idea era anche che il biglietto puntasse ad una pagina con informazioni su cos'è OSM e soprattutto come usarlo per gli scopi tipici di cui può avere bisogno un esercizio pubblico: mappa sul sito, mappa da stampare per volantini/biglietti. Ho preparato una bozza di come possa essere fatta la pagina_ (da integrare) e ho provato a fare qualche prova per il biglietto, ma stava uscendo un obbrobrio per cui mi sono limitata ad uploadarne una bozza con i contenuti proposti. .. _pagina: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/** wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_**commercialehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Benvenuto/Operatore_commerciale Qualcuno che ne è capace ha tempo/voglia di tirar fuori qualcosa di adatto allo scopo? Un'altro problema è l'URL: non so se convenga scriverla direttamente in italiano oppure scriverla in inglese, tipo IT:Welcome/[?]. Oltre a questo ho paura che sia un po' troppo lunga per essere messa sul biglietto da visita; è il caso di usare qualche accorciatore? Ottima idea e non lo trovo neanche male come lo hai fatto, anzi. Per il fatto delle licenze ok metterle, anche se poi la maggior parte non sapranno cosa sono. Magari dopo la frase dei volontari raccolgono puoi inserire la parola gratuitamente, che per noi deve essere scontata ma credo possa fare effetto su alcuni esercenti. Non male il biglietto da visita, però conviene preparare, secondo me, un biglietto light con in pratica solo il frontespizio e il link da dare agli operatori poco pratici con la tecnologia. Non escludo che qualcuno poco abile riesca a dedurre che d'ora in poi se aderisce dovrà dare pasti gratuiti (nel caso del ristorante) a tutti quelli che si presentano con quel biglietto... __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi skype: asca_edom -- Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi skype: asca_edom ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - Società degli Alpinistri Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
2013/7/9 Dario Zontini dario.zont...@cedisnet.it Appena concluso il mapping party di Daone [2] è arrivata la bella notizia del cambio di licenza dei sentieri SAT e così abbiamo 5000 km di sentieri da importare (circa 2000 km dovrebbero essere già presenti in OSM). Vorrei sottolineare alcuni aspetti prima che si inizi ad importare dati: 1) i dati SAT non sempre sono di buona precisione, pertanto quando si importano i dati di una zona conosciuta è bene valutarli prima del caricamento. Dal sito SAT: *I dati non sono frutto di un rilievo di precisione GPS ma in gran parte sono stati digitalizzati utilizzando come riferimento e sfondo la cartografia della Provincia Autonoma di Trento. Non vi è alcuna garanzia sul grado di precisione o sulla correttezza delle coordinate*. Concordo, spesso sono più accurate le foto di Bing e ovviamente le tracce GPS (su terreno aperto) rispetto ai GPX della SAT. Quindi attenzione, vanno bene come traccia ma poi vanno affinate. 2) cerchiamo il più possibile di unificare i tag utilizzati: *ref:* riportare prima del numero E oppure O (es: ref=O246 oppure ref=E246) in quanto i sentieri sono catalogati anteponendo E se sono ad est del fiume dell'Adige oppure O se sono ad ovest. Dissento su questo. I cartelli dei percorsi nonché i segnavia riportano solamente il numero senza la E o la O, quindi a mio modo di vedere il ref=* è il solo numero di sentiero. Per la catalogazione della SAT ho utilizzato ref:SAT=E/Onnn. Ok invece per tutto il resto :) ciao Tiziano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
On 2013-07-09 at 16:06:05 +0300, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi wrote: Io piuttosto proporrei di usare un eventuale dominio per un semplice form nel quale l'operatore possa inserire i dettagli del esercizio ed il form, magari, pubblichi in automatico una nota su OSM in modo che poi uno dei mappatori più esperti possa inserire il nodo (magari la nota già contiene i dati nel formato corretto). Questa è una buona idea indipendentemente, ma nel caso specifico non è molto utile: nel momento in cui sto dando il bigliettino ho già i dati dell'operatore (dal biglietto da visita, che comunque prenderei anche per me), la posizione (dalla traccia gpx che tendenzialmente ho sempre quando sono in luoghi nuovi) e il mappatore esperto che inserisca tutto quanto (io :) ). Quel che manca fondamentalmente è far sapere all'esercente che può smettere di usare le schermate sgranate di gmaps sui suoi volantini. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Biglietto da visita OSM per ristoranti, alberghi, ecc.
Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 15:49, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: Quel che manca fondamentalmente è far sapere all'esercente che può smettere di usare le schermate sgranate di gmaps sui suoi volantini. Il problema non è l'esercente, ma il grafico che fa il volantino. Intorno al mio ufficio ho diversi ristoranti / bar con volantino e gmaps in bella vista (senza attribuzione). Al negozio di panini appena aperto ho portato il volantino dicendo guardate che vi hanno messo sul molo sbagliato, ve la faccio io la mappa, gli mando un rendering semplificato con Maperitive, lo passano al grafico per fare le etichette e mi ritrovo di nuovo gmaps. Per inserirmi sull'idea di Edoardo, l'eventuale 'landing page' alternativa alla pagina wiki può contenere benissimo un form per segnalare l'attività (su un'altra pagina) :) Eventualmente un sottodominio? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Correzione delle FAQ su blog.openstreetmap.it
Ciao già che guardavo http://blog.openstreetmap.it/faq/ ho notato che nelle FAQ si segnala ancora Openstreetbugs, alla domanda Come posso segnalare errori: suggerisco di cambiare il testo da Puoi anche segnalare piccoli errori in Openstreetbugs a Puoi anche segnalare piccoli errori aggiungendo una nota sul sito principale (http://www.openstreetmap.org) con il link in basso a destra. o qualcosa del genere, cosa ne dite? Non credo di avere i permessi per farlo io. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Correzione delle FAQ su blog.openstreetmap.it
Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 16:07, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao già che guardavo http://blog.openstreetmap.it/faq/ ho notato che nelle FAQ si segnala ancora Openstreetbugs, alla domanda Come posso segnalare errori: suggerisco di cambiare il testo da Puoi anche segnalare piccoli errori in Openstreetbugs a Puoi anche segnalare piccoli errori aggiungendo una nota sul sito principale (http://www.openstreetmap.org) con il link in basso a destra. o qualcosa del genere, cosa ne dite? Sistemato. Non credo di avere i permessi per farlo io. C'è un utente Valhalla che credo si sia creato quando hai postato qualcosa sul diario OSM. Se vuoi ti metto la tua mail, ti do' i permessi e lo usi come account.. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Correzione delle FAQ su blog.openstreetmap.it
Il giorno 09 luglio 2013 16:54, Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 16:47, sabas88 ha scritto: Sistemato. «Idealmente ti sottoscrivi da /OpenStreetMap/ cosa ti consente di cominciare direttamente con la modifica dei dati.» Scusate, ma che lingua è? /me umile copiaincollatore /me ha sistemato :) Carlo -- .-. | Registered Linux User #443882| .''`. oo| | http://linuxcounter.net/ | : :' : /`'\ | Registered Debian User #9 | `. `'` (\_;/) | http://debiancounter.**altervista.org/http://debiancounter.altervista.org/| `- __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - Società degli Alpinistri Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
On 09/lug/2013, at 13:56, Dario Zontini dario.zont...@cedisnet.it wrote: in gran parte sono stati digitalizzati utilizzando come riferimento e sfondo la cartografia della Provincia Autonoma di Trento e anche quella cartografia ha una licenza compatibile con la ODbL? È importante per poter importare. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La SAT - Società degli Alpinistri Tridentini rilascia in Open Data i dati dei sentieri
09/lug/2013, at 13:56, Dario Zontini dario.zont...@cedisnet.it wrote: in gran parte sono stati digitalizzati utilizzando come riferimento e sfondo la cartografia della Provincia Autonoma di Trento e anche quella cartografia ha una licenza compatibile con la ODbL? È importante per poter importare. qui apri una grande discussione. Personalmente posso attivarmi come dati.trentino.it, ma vi invito comunque a mandare una email di richiesta al sito. Sta di fatto pero' che la SAT ha ottenuto il permesso per digitalizzare quei dati da quella cartografia e farne quello che vuole. Pertanto, se ci fossero problemi non dovrebbero ricadere su openstreetmap. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Il 09/07/2013 18:14, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 17:31, bredy ha scritto: Qualcuno ha suggerimenti per la domanda precedente? Le aree naturali di interesse ambientale comunale che landuse dovrei usare? http://www.msmountain.it/varie/mappa_osm/consigli4-naturali.html ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Il 09/07/2013 17:31, bredy ha scritto: Qualcuno ha suggerimenti per la domanda precedente? Le aree naturali di interesse ambientale comunale che landuse dovrei usare? Mi domandavo anche aree come piazzola ecologica, depuratore e tutte le aree di servizio comunale come depositi, ecc con che landuse dovrei identificarle? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5768965.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Depositi bus..ecc.http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Depot Poi fai un giretto a Milano http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.515249lon=9.199677zoom=18:-) oppure a Bologna http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.511503lon=11.319995zoom=18:-) Ciao Mario. -- RISPETTA L'AMBIENTE: SE NON TI E' NECESSARIO, NON STAMPARE QUESTA E-MAIL. Le informazioni contenute in questa comunicazione sono riservate e destinate esclusivamente alla/e persona/e o all'ente/i a cui sono stati indirizzati. Se questa comunicazione Vi e' pervenuta per errore, siete pregati di informare il mittente rispondendo a questa mail. I dati riportati nel presente documento sono trattati nel rispetto del D.Lgs. 196/2003 (Codice della Privacy) sulla tutela dei dati personali. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] parcheggio camion
Come si possono indicare parcheggi per soli camion? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/parcheggio-camion-tp5768988.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] parcheggio camion
Dovrebbe essere con il tag *access*: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:access Ciao, David David InsideOut10 http://bit.ly/e-insideout10 ► Helix Cloud online video platform http://bit.ly/e-helixcloud ► WordLift semantic web for WordPresshttp://bit.ly/e-wordlift ► RedLink - making sense of your data http://bit.ly/e-redlink ► US Export compliance extension for WooCommerce http://bit.ly/1864GLD *(5 years celebrations: discounts up to 35%)* ══ ► LinkedIn: it.linkedin.com/in/riccitelli http://bit.ly/e-riccitelli ► Twitter: @ziodave http://bit.ly/e-ziodave-twitter ► GitHub: github.com/ziodave http://bit.ly/e-github --- ► InsideOut10 http://bit.ly/e-insideout10 s.r.l. (IT-11381771002) --- ► Layar Partner Network http://bit.ly/e-layar ► Interact Egypt - RealNetworks Partner http://bit.ly/e-interactegypt http://www.interactegypt.me ══ On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:08 PM, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote: Come si possono indicare parcheggi per soli camion? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/parcheggio-camion-tp5768988.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] parcheggio camion
Il 09/07/2013 20:08, bredy ha scritto: Come si possono indicare parcheggi per soli camion? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/parcheggio-camion-tp5768988.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it . http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2012-June/029529.html -- RISPETTA L'AMBIENTE: SE NON TI E' NECESSARIO, NON STAMPARE QUESTA E-MAIL. Le informazioni contenute in questa comunicazione sono riservate e destinate esclusivamente alla/e persona/e o all'ente/i a cui sono stati indirizzati. Se questa comunicazione Vi e' pervenuta per errore, siete pregati di informare il mittente rispondendo a questa mail. I dati riportati nel presente documento sono trattati nel rispetto del D.Lgs. 196/2003 (Codice della Privacy) sulla tutela dei dati personali. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM in formato ebook
Vi aggiorno sulla faccenda: grazie a Stefano Sabatini ho scoperto un metodo per pubblicare su amazon ebook gratis, con qualche passaggio che richiede circa 10 giorni (purtoppo per i primi 10 giorni il libro sarà a pagamento, se dovessero esserci vendite, donero' i proventi a OSMF). credits: Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (Autore), Stefano Sabatini (Traduttore), Fabrizio Carrai (Traduttore), Fabrizio Tambussa (Traduttore), Paolo Pozzan (Traduttore), Andrea Ricci (Redattore), Simone Cortesi (Redattore). c'e' qualche errore? link al file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/426955/OpenStreetMap%2Bper%2Bprincipianti.mobi (calibre sotto linux a me lo apre, ad altri, no). Fatemi sapere, appena raggiunto il consenso, schiaccio il bottone di pubblicazione. 2013/7/8 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: 2013/7/7 Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Su Amazon? Ciao, mi sembra una ottima idea. domani do un occhiata a come funziona la pubblicazione su amazon. -- -S -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM in formato ebook
Il 09/07/2013 22:59, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: Vi aggiorno sulla faccenda: grazie a Stefano Sabatini ho scoperto un metodo per pubblicare su amazon ebook gratis, con qualche passaggio che richiede circa 10 giorni (purtoppo per i primi 10 giorni il libro sar� a pagamento, se dovessero esserci vendite, donero' i proventi a OSMF). credits: Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (Autore), Stefano Sabatini (Traduttore), Fabrizio Carrai (Traduttore), Fabrizio Tambussa (Traduttore), Paolo Pozzan (Traduttore), Andrea Ricci (Redattore), Simone Cortesi (Redattore). c'e' qualche errore? link al file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/426955/OpenStreetMap%2Bper%2Bprincipianti.mobi (calibre sotto linux a me lo apre, ad altri, no). Fatemi sapere, appena raggiunto il consenso, schiaccio il bottone di pubblicazione. Sul mio debian kde, con fbreader si legge egregiamente, bisogna farci un pò manetta. -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM in formato ebook
Test: - Il file di sabas88 .epub si legge bene con calibre and fbreader - il file di Simone .mobi da errore python (related to utf8) in apertura con Calibre si legge invece con fbreader In una prova locale ho convertito il file da .epub → .mobi usando Calibre e non da' errore. Una particolarità non ho visto nessuna info circa la versione del libro ne' di date di riferimento Il contenuto non e', forse, già da aggiornare ? Non c'e nulla riguardo l'editor id e la funzionalità per le note sulle mappe... da osm Ciao mcheck Il 09 luglio 2013 23:06, girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 09/07/2013 22:59, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: Vi aggiorno sulla faccenda: grazie a Stefano Sabatini ho scoperto un metodo per pubblicare su amazon ebook gratis, con qualche passaggio che richiede circa 10 giorni (purtoppo per i primi 10 giorni il libro sar� a pagamento, se dovessero esserci vendite, donero' i proventi a OSMF). credits: Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (Autore), Stefano Sabatini (Traduttore), Fabrizio Carrai (Traduttore), Fabrizio Tambussa (Traduttore), Paolo Pozzan (Traduttore), Andrea Ricci (Redattore), Simone Cortesi (Redattore). c'e' qualche errore? link al file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/426955/OpenStreetMap%2Bper%2Bprincipianti.mobi (calibre sotto linux a me lo apre, ad altri, no). Fatemi sapere, appena raggiunto il consenso, schiaccio il bottone di pubblicazione. Sul mio debian kde, con fbreader si legge egregiamente, bisogna farci un pò manetta. -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Linux Infinite Freedom I'm writing from this place: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.39945lon=8.6798zoom=15layers=M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Wired Map Lab
Un nuovo servizio di Wired: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/07/map-it/ ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-lt] Visi Vilniaus adresai jau OSM'e
Džiugu! na adresai tikrai žymiai tikslesni nei tarkim google maps :) Mano namas su kaimynais, kurių niekas niekada neranda, sužymėti puikiai. 2013 m. liepa 8 d. 23:21, Tomas Straupis tomasstrau...@gmail.com rašė: P.S. Apsižvalgykite aplinkui (OSM duomenyse) ir patikrinkite, ar tikrai adresų informacija Vilniuje tokia puiki, kaip mums atrodo? :-) Justas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Visi Vilniaus adresai jau OSM'e
2013 m. liepa 9 d. 13:08, Darius Žitkevičius rašė: Tau paminklą reikia pastatyti. Na ir vėl ne man :-) Adresai gauti Atvirų duomenų judėjimo, Eduardo ir šiaip Vilniaus Savivaldybės gerų intencijų ir atvirumo dėka. O importo programas parašė ir adresus į OSM db sukėlė Ramūnas. Aš, kaip visada, Špunkoj alų gėriau :-D -- Tomas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Visi Vilniaus adresai jau OSM'e
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 11:21:43PM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote: Džiugios naujienos! Vilniaus Savivaldybė viešai paskelbė Vilniaus adresų duomenis. Jie jau įkelti į OSM. Adresų pasikeitimai (VS įsakymai) stebimi kasdien ir pokyčiai įkeliami į OSM duomenų bazę. Detalesnė informacija apie tai Ramūno įraše OSM-LT bloge: http://blog.openmap.lt/2013/07/08/vilniaus-adresu-papildymas/ Tai reiškia, kad nuo dabar OSM'e yra visi Vilniaus adresai ir jie yra aktualūs (pastoviai palaikomi/atnaujinami). OSM žemėlapiai atnaujinami dažniausiai, tad mes turime geriausią adresų informacijos šaltinį. Tai bent! Nerealus pasiekimas. Albertas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [oxoncotswolds] Possible pub meetup with the West Midlands crew in early October?
Sounds like a good plan :-) And thanks both for making me hungry!! On 8 July 2013 17:45, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, in the West Mids group a while back we mulled the idea of doing a joint meet with our southerly brethren on Oxfordshire. We are proposing Saturday October 5th in Banbury as its offers probably the best transport links for us all. Who's up for that? The 5th Oct seems to fit with one or two others and its sufficiently after SOTM to allow the west mids folks to come down from the high! No schedule but I'd expect it to be a bit of an ad-hoc mapping party before adjourning to the pub but if something more substantial gets organised that's cool. We certainly would need: 1. A cake 2. Suitable pub 3. Possible wifi enable venue for editing if desired 4. Some sharing of transport if logical. 5. Ideas for anything else to do in Banbury or the vicinity. Would be nice to see some others from beyond the two regions there too. Feedback and ideas please and I'll kick off a wiki page unless someone gets to it before me. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andrew Chadwick [mailto:a.t.chadw...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 July 2013 17:40 To: Oxford, Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds Subject: [oxoncotswolds] Possible pub meetup with the West Midlands crew in early October? Just came up on IRC. Would anybody be up for an Oxon+Cotswolds+West Midlands meetup in, say Banbury; on, say, the 5th October. After SOTM, that is. Nothing particularly set in stone yet, and venue to be decided, although the White Horse has been suggested. -- Andrew Chadwick ___ Talk-gb-oxoncotswolds mailing list talk-gb-oxoncotswo...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-oxoncotswolds - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6469 - Release Date: 07/06/13 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-at] Adressen der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6 in Wien
Hi, was ist wohl die offizielle Adresse der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6? Stadtbahnbogen 153 1090 Wien .. wenn ja, welches addr:* tag nehm ich für Stadtbahnbogen? LG! Markus ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Adressen der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6 in Wien
On 09.07.13 18:08, Markus Straub wrote: was ist wohl die offizielle Adresse der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6? Lt. wien.at Stadtplan U-Bahn-Bogen #, traditionell wohl eher Stadtbahnbogen #. .. wenn ja, welches addr:* tag nehm ich für Stadtbahnbogen? Gibt's eine Straße namens Stadtbahnbogen? Nein. Daher addr:place. IMO. Servus, Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Adressen der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6 in Wien
On 09.07.2013 18:18, Andreas Labres wrote: On 09.07.13 18:08, Markus Straub wrote: was ist wohl die offizielle Adresse der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6? Lt. wien.at Stadtplan U-Bahn-Bogen #, traditionell wohl eher Stadtbahnbogen #. .. wenn ja, welches addr:* tag nehm ich für Stadtbahnbogen? Gibt's eine Straße namens Stadtbahnbogen? Nein. Daher addr:place. IMO. Obwohl ich die addr:place Lösung für Orte ohne eigene Straßennamen sehr gut und elegant find, ist sie leider imo aber für die Stadtbahnbögen nicht geeignet. Denn es gibt einfach keinen wie auch immer gearteten Place Stadtbahnbogen. Und nur um den Nominatim zufrieden zu stellen würd ich auch keines erfinden wollen. Imo hilft da nur addr:full=[ev. Name,] Stadtbahnbogen x, Wien, AT und Nominatim wird den dann aber nie finden, außer er wendet die ganzen alten Heuristiken irgendwie auf addr:full an und es funktioniert zufällig. Norbert ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Adressen der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6 in Wien
On 09.07.13 18:31, Norbert Wenzel wrote: Denn es gibt einfach keinen wie auch immer gearteten Place Stadtbahnbogen. Stadtbahnbogen ist ein Geonym, denke ich. Auch wenn wir praktisch keine Möglichkeit haben, es zu mappen (mir fiele auch keine ein). Drum passt addr:place grundsätzlich, auch wenn Nominatim die Adressen nicht wird finden können. Wollte man das Problem ideal lösen, müßte man eine dritte Klasse erfinden, Namen, die sich weder auf eine Straße noch auf einen Place (ich schreib das in Anführungszeichen, weil Nominatim ja in einer Reihe von Tags solche Eltern-Objektnamen sucht) beziehen. Und Nominatim müßte dann ein quasi virtuelles Elternobjekt für alle Stadtbahnbogen-Adressen erzeugen. addr:full ist eine Fleißaufgabe, die kannst' machen, die hilft aber auch in dieser Situation nicht. Servus, Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Adressen der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6 in Wien
On 09.07.2013 18:08, Markus Straub wrote: was ist wohl die offizielle Adresse der Gürtelbögen entlang der U6? Stadtbahnbogen 153 1090 Wien .. wenn ja, welches addr:* tag nehm ich für Stadtbahnbogen? Dass und warum ich von addr:place überhaupt nichts halte, habe ich schon in einem früheren Thread erklärt. addr:hamlet und addr:street passen hier aber auch nicht viel besser, da manche Adressen mit Stadtbahnbogen x und andere mit Stadtbahnbögen (also Plural) x-y angegeben werden. Stadtbahnbogen/Stadtbahnbögen ist also ein individueller Bestandteil jeder einzelnen Adresse. Darum erscheint mir am sinnvollsten: addr:housename=Stadtbahnbogen 153 Manchmal wird zusätzlich ein Straßenname angegeben, z.B. Währinger Gürtel. Dann einfach zusätzlich addr:street=Währinger Gürtel setzen. Solang keiner den Fehler macht, addr:housenumber=153 zu setzen, passt alles zusammen. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-ro] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Nume de strazi modificate
Nu e ciudat, e posibil să fie așa din motive istorice. Centura aia e relativ recentă... În data de 9 iulie 2013, 08:47, Razvan razvanedu...@gmail.com a scris: salut din ce stiu eu DN1 e centura ocolitoare. CNANDR asa se refera la ea, la situatia drumurilor nationale ca sunt niste lucrari la un pod acolo. O sa ma mai uit si prin ploiesti pe strazile centrale daca mai apare vreo referinta la DN1, dar cred ca ar fi ciudat sa fie 2 DN1 'paralele'. On 7.7.2013 23:25, Razvan wrote: Salut. Despre CB , ar trebui sa fie doar CB , pentru ca asa se numeste Centura Bucurestiului. Si in informatiile de la CNADNR este denumita doar Centura Bucurestiului. DNA1 nu exista. Doar DN1A. Este o greseala in intersectia aceea de pe Iuliu Maniu. DN1A intra in Bucuresti pe Bulevardul Bucurestii Noi, apoi pe Calea Grivitei dar nu stiu care este punctul de origine de aici. Legat de Ploiesti, poate ne spune cineva de acolo cum sta treaba cu DN1. On 07.07.2013 22:58, Michael Häckel wrote: Salut, Cred că acum am făcut aproximativ toți ce noi am hotărât să schimbăm automat. Despre referințe am niște întrebări: Șoseaua de Centură București e „DN CB” sau „CB”? Zalău și Timișoara au doar CZ și CT pentru centurile lor. În vestul Bucureștiului avem DN1A și DNA1. Amândoi sunt corect? Bulevardul Eroilor și Șoseaua Cotroceni sunt DN1A? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=44.43433mlon=26.06723zoom=15layers=M Strada principală prin Ploiești și Centura de Vest amândoi sunt DN1? Michael Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2013, 10:25:42 schrieb Eddy Petrișor: În data de 22.05.2013 22:37, Michael Häckel michael.haec...@web.de a scris: Îmi pare rău dar până acum nu am înțeles cum pot testa pe codul. Am gândit că eu scrie codul meu și tu scrii codul tău. Nu ziceam să testezi tu codul meu, ci doar că nu a mai existat activitate în ultima vreme. Am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2013, 20:55:54 schrieb Eddy Petrișor: Codul cu pricina era scris de mine, este public și oricine e binevenit să-l întreţină. Michael Häckel are acces acolo deja, dar nici el n-a mai facut modificări pe cod don decembrie. http://repo.or.cz/w/osm-ro-tools.git Eu nu am mai avut timp și ultima dată lucrat la un set de teste pentru a fi sigur că softul se comporta corect. Se pot face modificări pe branch-ul mob fără nici un fel de aprobări. Dacă vrea careva acces în alte zone, trebuie să adaug utilizatorul ca poarte din proiect. ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ro] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Nume de strazi modificate
Pana sa se faca Centura de Vest Ploiesti , DN1 trecea prin Ploiesti. Mai apoi Centura Ploiesti a devenit DN1/E60, o mica portiune din ea este si DN1A, unde mai apoi face dreapta spre est prin sensul giratoriu de la carrefour, si apoi se duce pe la nord de Blejoi si apoi o ia spre nord catre Valenii de Munte, Maneciu, Cheia.. În data de 9 iulie 2013, 10:09, Strainu [via GIS] ml-node+s19327n576887...@n5.nabble.com a scris: Nu e ciudat, e posibil să fie așa din motive istorice. Centura aia e relativ recentă... În data de 9 iulie 2013, 08:47, Razvan [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5768876i=0 a scris: salut din ce stiu eu DN1 e centura ocolitoare. CNANDR asa se refera la ea, la situatia drumurilor nationale ca sunt niste lucrari la un pod acolo. O sa ma mai uit si prin ploiesti pe strazile centrale daca mai apare vreo referinta la DN1, dar cred ca ar fi ciudat sa fie 2 DN1 'paralele'. On 7.7.2013 23:25, Razvan wrote: Salut. Despre CB , ar trebui sa fie doar CB , pentru ca asa se numeste Centura Bucurestiului. Si in informatiile de la CNADNR este denumita doar Centura Bucurestiului. DNA1 nu exista. Doar DN1A. Este o greseala in intersectia aceea de pe Iuliu Maniu. DN1A intra in Bucuresti pe Bulevardul Bucurestii Noi, apoi pe Calea Grivitei dar nu stiu care este punctul de origine de aici. Legat de Ploiesti, poate ne spune cineva de acolo cum sta treaba cu DN1. On 07.07.2013 22:58, Michael Häckel wrote: Salut, Cred că acum am făcut aproximativ toți ce noi am hotărât să schimbăm automat. Despre referințe am niște întrebări: Șoseaua de Centură București e „DN CB” sau „CB”? Zalău și Timișoara au doar CZ și CT pentru centurile lor. În vestul Bucureștiului avem DN1A și DNA1. Amândoi sunt corect? Bulevardul Eroilor și Șoseaua Cotroceni sunt DN1A? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=44.43433mlon=26.06723zoom=15layers=M Strada principală prin Ploiești și Centura de Vest amândoi sunt DN1? Michael Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2013, 10:25:42 schrieb Eddy Petrișor: În data de 22.05.2013 22:37, Michael Häckel [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5768876i=1 a scris: Îmi pare rău dar până acum nu am înțeles cum pot testa pe codul. Am gândit că eu scrie codul meu și tu scrii codul tău. Nu ziceam să testezi tu codul meu, ci doar că nu a mai existat activitate în ultima vreme. Am Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2013, 20:55:54 schrieb Eddy Petrișor: Codul cu pricina era scris de mine, este public și oricine e binevenit să-l întreţină. Michael Häckel are acces acolo deja, dar nici el n-a mai facut modificări pe cod don decembrie. http://repo.or.cz/w/osm-ro-tools.git Eu nu am mai avut timp și ultima dată lucrat la un set de teste pentru a fi sigur că softul se comporta corect. Se pot face modificări pe branch-ul mob fără nici un fel de aprobări. Dacă vrea careva acces în alte zone, trebuie să adaug utilizatorul ca poarte din proiect. ___ Talk-ro mailing list [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5768876i=2 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5768876i=3 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5768876i=4 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5768876i=5 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fwd-OpenStreetMap-Re-Nume-de-strazi-modificate-tp5761686p5768876.html To start a new topic under Romania, email ml-node+s19327n542503...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Nume de strazi modificate, click herehttp://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=5761686code=R2FicmllbFNlYmFzdGlhbk1vaXNlQGdtYWlsLmNvbXw1NzYxNjg2fC0xNjUyMTcwOTky . NAMLhttp://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- Toate cele bune ! ** Gabriel Sebastian Moise Administrator Local - Departament Tehnic *--* NextGen Communications S.R.L. - Campina Mobil NextGen : 076 111
Re: [Talk-ro] Import populație actualizată
Salut, Într-un final apoteotic au scos și datele pe 2011 până la comune. Întrebarea este: are rost să facem importul acum, pentru doar câteva sute de orașe, sau așteptăm până facem rost și de sate? Pentru 2002 am datele până la nivel de sat de la [1] și sunt ușor diferite de ce avem noi acum. Mai știe cineva de unde s-a făcut importul inițial? [1] http://www.kia.hu/konyvtar/erdely/erd2002/etnii2002.zip Strainu În data de 5 ianuarie 2012, 19:48, Stefan UNGUREANU stefan.ungure...@mytrek.ro a scris: Salut, Formatul de intrare poate sa fie orice, desi probabil unul usor de generat si citit este CSV. N-am idee cum sunt disponibile datele de la INS, dar probabil o varianta buna pentru import este sa fie cumva transformate in ceva gen : COD_SIRUTA, POPULATIE_1992, POPUPATIE_2002, POPULATIE_2011, NUME Eu nu ma pot ocupa de problema decat dupa 22 ianiarie, asa ca probabil e timp de analiza suficient. Stefan. În data de 4 ianuarie 2012, 10:31, Stefan UNGUREANU stefan.ungure...@mytrek.ro a scris: Salut, Daca nu exista o alternativa mai buna, ma ofer sa fac importul propriu-zis. Momentan nu există nicio alternativă :) Eu oricum mă joc zilele astea cu datele respective, dacă îmi dai un format de intrare pot să-ți formatez datele din 2002 așa cum vrei. Strainu ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ca] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Guillaume, IMHO all of your issues could be solved with applications of the OSM data. The goal of OSM is to create an open data set that can be used by anybody to solve all of the issues in your list. The goal of OSM is not to create a replacement for the Google Maps website but to create an alternative to the Google Maps data. All of your issues could be addressed with OSM data and some programming. I expect some or all of your issues have already been addressed. For example the OSMR website is great for routing and driving directions - http://map.project-osrm.org/ Let's hear from the rest of the OSM talk-ca community. Who has suggestions for Guillaume's other issues? Bernie. -Original Message- From: Guillaume Pratte [mailto:guilla...@guillaumepratte.net] Sent: Tuesday, 2013-07-09 1:42 AM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis Hello, I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap. But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues? I'll give a few concrete examples why, humbly hoping that my words can encourage changes to the main website. First point: searching. I have OpenStreetMap zoomed in to some region of Montreal, Canada. I input café, looking for a coffee shop. I get results from Nominatim, inviting me to visit a village in Brazil named Café or even the Café point in Antarctica. While these search results awaken my globetrotter's desire to explore the world, they frustrate me at the same time. Why couldn't Nominatim priorize results from the bounding box or surrounding? Why can't OpenStreetMap show me results on the map like the OverPass API does, performing a search on the tag amenity=cafe and showing the results on the map? Second point: accessing POI information. I cannot click on point of interests (POI) to get more info about them. Why do we input address, business hours and phone numbers on shops and restaurants if the map cannot easily display this information to the user? Why do I have to show the map's data in order to have information on a point of interest? Third point: maximum zoom level. Some area are densely populated, and OpenStreetMap's current zoom level is not enough to see all details of the map. This is really unfortunate. Example: http://osm.org/go/cIrNs6Qzp-- What are the restaurant surrounding the Hard Rock Café on this map? I have to use the editor to be able to zoom and see all data. Fourth point: sharing a point of interest. There should be an easy way to do that. I have found a (complicated) way to do it, which is all but obvious to newcomers. Here is how: . Using the layer icon at the top right of the map, I select Browse Map Data; . I select the object I want to share (which is not always possible; sometimes it is hidden behind a residential area or similar); . I click on Details . On the resulting page, I click on View way on larger map . I get an URL similar to this that I can share: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=225637513 Fifth point: routing. Why is there absolutely no routing implemented on the main OpenStreetMap website? This is I concede a naïve question, as it might be simply because of limited server resources. Once we have our new servers, is this something we want to implement, as a community? I really like the OpenStreetMap project, and I dream to be able to use it as a primary map instead of Google Maps. I feel resolving these issues would bring me many steps closer to making that dream come true. What do you all think? Do you also have showstoppers that prevent you to use OpenStreetMap as your primary and daily map? Guillaume ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
OpenStreetBrowser offers routing and clickable POIs. Higher zoom levels were experimentally implemented on a server by the French OSM community but I think it is no longer online. I can't remember the URL, but you should be able to find the related discussion in the archives of the general talk list (search for z19). Mapquest might also do some of the things requested. With regards to what OSM and the OSM homepage are or aren't : Bernie certainly has expressed one view that is widely held in the community. But there are other positions as well, evidenced by the fact that discussions like the one in this thread keep popping up. Harald (who is also sad that for his everyday geodata needs he often ends up using Google) On Tuesday, July 9, 2013, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: Guillaume, IMHO all of your issues could be solved with applications of the OSM data. The goal of OSM is to create an open data set that can be used by anybody to solve all of the issues in your list. The goal of OSM is not to create a replacement for the Google Maps website but to create an alternative to the Google Maps data. All of your issues could be addressed with OSM data and some programming. I expect some or all of your issues have already been addressed. For example the OSMR website is great for routing and driving directions - http://map.project-osrm.org/ Let's hear from the rest of the OSM talk-ca community. Who has suggestions for Guillaume's other issues? Bernie. -Original Message- From: Guillaume Pratte [mailto:guilla...@guillaumepratte.net] Sent: Tuesday, 2013-07-09 1:42 AM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis Hello, I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap. But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues? I'll give a few concrete examples why, humbly hoping that my words can encourage changes to the main website. First point: searching. I have OpenStreetMap zoomed in to some region of Montreal, Canada. I input café, looking for a coffee shop. I get results from Nominatim, inviting me to visit a village in Brazil named Café or even the Café point in Antarctica. While these search results awaken my globetrotter's desire to explore the world, they frustrate me at the same time. Why couldn't Nominatim priorize results from the bounding box or surrounding? Why can't OpenStreetMap show me results on the map like the OverPass API does, performing a search on the tag amenity=cafe and showing the results on the map? Second point: accessing POI information. I cannot click on point of interests (POI) to get more info about them. Why do we input address, business hours and phone numbers on shops and restaurants if the map cannot easily display this information to the user? Why do I have to show the map's data in order to have information on a point of interest? Third point: maximum zoom level. Some area are densely populated, and OpenStreetMap's current zoom level is not enough to see all details of the map. This is really unfortunate. Example: http://osm.org/go/cIrNs6Qzp--What are the restaurant surrounding the Hard Rock Café on this map? I have to use the editor to be able to zoom and see all data. Fourth point: sharing a point of interest. There should be an easy way to do that. I have found a (complicated) way to do it, which is all but obvious to newcomers. Here is how: . Using the layer icon at the top right of the map, I select Browse Map Data; . I select the object I want to share (which is not always possible; sometimes it is hidden behind a residential area or similar); . I click on Details . On the resulting page, I click on View way on larger map . I get an URL similar to this that I can share: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=225637513 Fifth point: routing. Why is there absolutely no routing implemented on the main OpenStreetMap website? This is I concede a naïve question, as it might be simply because of limited server resources. Once we have our new servers, is this something we want to implement, as a community? I really like the OpenStreetMap project, and I dream to be able to use it as a primary map instead of Google Maps. I feel resolving these issues would bring me many steps closer to making that dream come true. What do you all think? Do you also have showstoppers that prevent you to use OpenStreetMap as your primary and daily map? Guillaume ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list
