[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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Bonjour,

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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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[Talk-ht] hebdoOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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[Talk-africa] hebdoOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 439 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/11173/

Bonne lecture !

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Re: [Talk-cz] Mapy.cz a OSM data v CZ (a jinde)

[gorn]

To je super nápad pro co by mohl být spolek výhodný. Na úřady by to 
mohlo zapůsobit více než nějaká neformální komunita. Chtělo by to 
připravit nějaký oficielní dopisy a rozeslat je na příslušná místa. 
Určitě je to důležité téma na nějaký jednání rady, hned jak se podaří 
udělat všechno papírování se zakládáním spolku a převody domén a spol.


Jako radní bych aby v tomhle fungovala rada koordinačně a podpůrně, ale 
je neefektivní aby to viselo jen na ní. Nejlepší by bylo najít 2-4 lidi 
co se chtějí ve svém místě pustit do téhle bitvy a dát jim plnou 
podporu. A pak na základě získaných zkušeností paket know-how upravit a 
aplikovat na dalších místech. Mám dobrou zkušenost s tím, když se začne 
na konkrétních projektech, vyšlápne se tím cesta a pak se to rozšiřuje. 
Nabízí se začít tím, co se aktuálně naskytlo díky setkání s lidmi z 
mapy.cz - mají konkrétní projekty, které už jsou nějak načaté. Za sebe 
můžu řáct, že bych to zkusil v Praze. Znám lidi z IPR a Pavel ze seznamu 
nám uváděl příklad nějaké komunikace s zastupiteli za Piráty, ke kterým 
mám taky blízko. Kdyby se do toho v Praze chtěl pustit se mnou, tak 
jedině dobře.


Nějak se mi ty volný úvahy přeměnily v konkrétní výzvu, takže:

Kdo byste měl zájem jménem spolku/OSM komunity vést oficiální - 
potenciálně slouhá a nudná - jednání se svými zastupitelstvy? Jak jsem 
psal v první vlně bych to zkusil na 2-4 místech a podle získaných 
zkušeností můžeme pokračovat jinde.


gorn

On 20. 12. 18 13:03, majka wrote:



On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 22:47, Tom Ka > wrote:



Krome toho zrejme na komunitu (a/nebo spolek) budou smerovat jednani o
vyuziti otevrenych dat ruznych mest, zmineny byly Ceske Budejovice a
parkovaci automaty, takze to muze byt motivace pro nas zkusit se v
tomto angazovat a do OSM patricna data dostat.


Koukala jsem, že se můj mail z mobilu nějak nepovedl, takže shrnutí:

České Budějovice jsou na hrozně dlouhé lokty. Otevřená data nikde 
nemají. Informací je poměrně dost, jenže to na mě působí dojmem, že by 
jim nejvíc vyhovovalo, abychom si to potichu okopčili, aby se pod 
souhlas nikdo z magistrátu nemusel podepsat.


Co se parkovacích automatů týká, podle informací co mám to dostaly 
mapy.cz  přímo od města věnované zdarma, včetně 
modrých zón.  Jakým způsobem to šlo konkrétně, to netuším. Opět, ta 
data oficiálně k použití nejsou, i když je jich všude hromada.


Osobně bych po Novém roce možná zkusila oficiálním dopisem (možná 
ještě lépe i pod hlavičkou spolku) oslovit přímo primátora, a případně 
i dopravní podnik, který v ČB spravuje mimo jiné i parkovací automaty. 
Protože neoficiální jednání na různých místech zatím nevedou k ničemu. 
Respektive - nebyl by problém získat data, ale souhlas s jejich 
použitím zatím se nedaří nikde vylámat.


Možná by tohle byl i námět pro spolek - tedy obecně rozhodit sítě, a 
písemně oslovit v první fázi kraje a magistráty velkých měst, kde se 
nám data zatím získat nepodařilo, s nějakým dopisem vysvětlujícím, co 
to OSM je a s prosbou o poskytnutí dat za účelem mapování.


Majka

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[Talk-us] Rail Easterly

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

In 2013 OpenRailwayMap was released.  After 2014 talk-us posts about "Rail 
Westerly" I spoke at SOTM-US Seattle in 2016 about Rail USA during a theme of 
building community.

Let's call Rail USA today (a decade after our mid-2000s rail import) a version 
0.4.  This includes:

* a certain amount of TIGER Review of our rail import is substantial, though 
still plenty to do,
* wiki to reflect that status in color-coded tables, "all Western states" (save 
Hawai'i) roughly done, and
* the actual state of USA rail data in OSM (completion, correctness).  "Looks 
OK" at a macro-level.

(Hawai'i, our national page says light_rail is "westerly portion is under 
construction."  Updates?)

Viewed in OpenRailwayMap, our TIGER data continue to improve, especially over 
the last months and years, demonstrating solid progress:  improvement, 
cohesion, inventory, status, upgrades, relatively recent data and status.

I estimate USA rail which is "somewhat TIGER Reviewed" (as well as the state of 
the wiki describing them) at about 35% to 40% complete today, but that is a 
loose number with hundreds of thousands of miles of ways with railway=rail (the 
largest active and abandoned rail network on Earth).  These numbers might be 
higher "locally," so for example perhaps 60% completion is a reasonable 
estimate of data, wiki and "completeness" status in California.

OSM-US' rail has enjoyed good growth.  Wiki demonstrate both inventory and a 
status of completion of any given state's TIGER Review and have been doing 
steady work (and can keep doing so, or improve) of "reviewed by multiple sets 
of eyes."  A visual parse (wiki syntax and some color/graphic symbols) is 
underway in Arizona to succinctly visually describe this on a 0 to 4 scale, 4 
is "multiple eyes reviewed these data."  (On passenger routes, this might get 
adopted for freight rail).  Wiki might also "fall away" as data in the map and 
good tools watch data in a more real-time way.  Wiki have and do serve 
"inventory and status," especially with widespread improvement.  (Underlying 
infrastructure, better tagging, gathering of subdivision rail elements into 
relations, TIGER Review, updating tables in the wiki with up-to-date 
status...), though that might change,  (Wiki as status, the way it helps us 
discover each other, "building community" and inventory... gets supplanted?  
well, possible, yes).

The Western states have at least skeletal wiki (some are beta with up-to-date 
status).  Some Eastern states have skeletal wiki, though there is much more 
TIGER rail Review to complete, and depending on where and how it goes, wiki to 
be written.  Getting to a version 1.0 of rail in the USA "done" in some sense 
might be three, five or ten years hence, that's hard to say.  In that we might 
include:

* fully multiple-human review of all TIGER rail, sufficient to remove the 
tiger:reviewed tag.  The improvement we have seen between 2014 and 2018 is 
substantial.
* final (neither alpha nor beta) wiki (as our 
WikiProject_United_States_railways page defines these)
or perhaps a preferred functional equivalent of that, as in the 2020s it might 
be "this is how we keep an eye on rail now."

North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas are the next wiki-less states (Western becomes 
Eastern, marching south from Canada down the center of the lower 48).   A 
handoff feels "next underway.".  A "certain amount of skeleton exists in the 
data across the lower 48" so "here ya go, Eastern Rail USA."  An "on to version 
0.5" of "Rail Easterly" seems to click in now.  For example, much happens in 
the Northeast Corridor, several high-speed plans and higher-speed corridors 
(Michigan, Rhode Island) where there are many vibrant data, Crescent Corridor, 
all kind of things.  Heck, I think South Carolina, a place you might not 
consider a universe unto itself regarding "a state's worth of rail," is quite a 
bit to chew, really!  Other OSM volunteers are better equipped and more local 
to improve these data and/or their wiki (should those get written or not).

Almost a decade in OSM, chugging along, workin' on the railroads, maybe a third 
of states roughed out, we're doin' fine, volunteers are welcome, maybe you'll 
help make it three years instead of five or ten,

SteveA
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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Kurt Forbech Toft]

Digitalisering ud fra ortofotos giver uundgåeligt en dårligere geometrisk 
kvalitet (beliggenhed og størrelse) end GeoDanmarks data.






 Oprindelig besked 
Fra: Uffe Kousgaard 
Dato: 21/12/2018 17.46 (GMT+01:00)
Til: talk-dk@openstreetmap.org
Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Jeg læser det som, at Apple selv har digitaliseret manglende bygninger ud fra 
flyfotos.
Så er der nok ikke de samme rettighedsproblemer.

mvh
Uffe

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Hvis ikke man kan bruge GeoDanmark data, hvorfor kan de så bruges, når de har 
været en tur forbi Appel?



 Oprindelig besked 
Fra: Leif Lodahl 
Dato: 21/12/2018 16.56 (GMT+01:00)
Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark 

Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Mht. import af bygninger, så mener jeg at løsningen findes. Jeg kan huske der 
var snak om det og der blev gjort nogle forsøg for et par år siden.
Problemet har været, at vi (OSM) forlanger en eksplicit licens, hvorfor vi ikke 
mener at have ret til GeoDanmarks data (på de generelle vilkår). Men det er en 
diskussion som har bølget frem og tilbage gennem flere år.

Mvh.
Leif

Den fre. 21. dec. 2018 kl. 14.01 skrev Michel Coene 
mailto:michel.co...@gmail.com>>:
GeoDanmark og OSM har nok ikke 100% samme formål.  Vi laver forskel mellem 
"residential" og "farmyard", det gør de nok ikke.
Mit spørgsmål var om nogen ved hvor svært det vil være at udvikle en plugin som 
e.g. kan importere alle bygninger indenfor den område skærmen kigger på.
M

Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 13:50 schreef Uffe Kousgaard 
mailto:uffe.kousga...@routeware.dk>>:
Man kunne også spørge hvad skal vi med det meste af OSM i Danmark, når de 
væsentligste typer af data er tilgængelige på anden vis? Veje, bygninger, 
adresser, kystlinier m.m.m.

Det afspejler vel blot at OSM og Geodanmark ikke er koordinerede aktiviteter og 
har svært ved at blive det.

mvh
Uffe Kousgaard

On 21-12-2018 13:21, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:
Hvorfor gå en omvej over Apple, når GeoDanmark har 2 millioner danske bygninger 
til fri download ?


Fra: Michel Coene 
Sendt: 21. december 2018 12:03
Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark 

Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Er der nogen som kigger på det her?  Hvis vi ikke gider masse-import, hvor 
svært vil det være at programmere en plugin til OSM?
M

Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman 
mailto:andrew_wise...@apple.com>>:
Hello everyone,

This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know that we have 
completed our project adding missing buildings in Copenhagen, Aarhus and 
Odense: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html

In total our team added just over 35,000 missing buildings to OSM using SDFE 
imagery with the SDFE and Apple building layers to help guide us to where 
buildings were missing.

Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or anyone interested in 
mapping buildings throughout Denmark.  The SDFE buildings are linked at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and the Apple building 
layer is here: https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.

Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.

Andrew


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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Uffe Kousgaard]

Jeg læser det som, at Apple selv har digitaliseret manglende bygninger 
ud fra flyfotos.

Så er der nok ikke de samme rettighedsproblemer.

mvh
Uffe

On 21-12-2018 17:10, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:
Hvis ikke man kan bruge GeoDanmark data, hvorfor kan de så bruges, når 
de har været en tur forbi Appel?




 Oprindelig besked 
Fra: Leif Lodahl 
Dato: 21/12/2018 16.56 (GMT+01:00)
Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Mht. import af bygninger, så mener jeg at løsningen findes. Jeg kan 
huske der var snak om det og der blev gjort nogle forsøg for et par år 
siden.
Problemet har været, at vi (OSM) forlanger en eksplicit licens, 
hvorfor vi ikke mener at have ret til GeoDanmarks data (på de 
generelle vilkår). Men det er en diskussion som har bølget frem og 
tilbage gennem flere år.


Mvh.
Leif

Den fre. 21. dec. 2018 kl. 14.01 skrev Michel Coene 
mailto:michel.co...@gmail.com>>:


GeoDanmark og OSM har nok ikke 100% samme formål.  Vi laver
forskel mellem "residential" og "farmyard", det gør de nok ikke.
Mit spørgsmål var om nogen ved hvor svært det vil være at udvikle
en plugin som e.g. kan importere alle bygninger indenfor den
område skærmen kigger på.
M

Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 13:50 schreef Uffe Kousgaard
mailto:uffe.kousga...@routeware.dk>>:

Man kunne også spørge hvad skal vi med det meste af OSM i
Danmark, når de væsentligste typer af data er tilgængelige på
anden vis? Veje, bygninger, adresser, kystlinier m.m.m.

Det afspejler vel blot at OSM og Geodanmark ikke er
koordinerede aktiviteter og har svært ved at blive det.

mvh
Uffe Kousgaard

On 21-12-2018 13:21, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:


Hvorfor gå en omvej over Apple, når GeoDanmark har 2
millioner danske bygninger til fri download ?

*Fra:*Michel Coene 

*Sendt:* 21. december 2018 12:03
*Til:* OpenStreetMap Denmark 

*Emne:* Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Er der nogen som kigger på det her?  Hvis vi ikke gider
masse-import, hvor svært vil det være at programmere en
plugin til OSM?

M

Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman
mailto:andrew_wise...@apple.com>>:

Hello everyone,


This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know
that we have completed our project adding missing
buildings in Copenhagen, Aarhus and Odense:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html

In total our team added just over 35,000
missing buildings to OSM using SDFE imagery with the SDFE
and Apple building layers to help guide us to where
buildings were missing.

Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or
anyone interested in mapping buildings throughout
Denmark.  The SDFE buildings are linked at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and
the Apple building layer is here:
https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.

Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.

Andrew


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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Kurt Forbech Toft]

Hvis ikke man kan bruge GeoDanmark data, hvorfor kan de så bruges, når de har 
været en tur forbi Appel?



 Oprindelig besked 
Fra: Leif Lodahl 
Dato: 21/12/2018 16.56 (GMT+01:00)
Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Mht. import af bygninger, så mener jeg at løsningen findes. Jeg kan huske der 
var snak om det og der blev gjort nogle forsøg for et par år siden.
Problemet har været, at vi (OSM) forlanger en eksplicit licens, hvorfor vi ikke 
mener at have ret til GeoDanmarks data (på de generelle vilkår). Men det er en 
diskussion som har bølget frem og tilbage gennem flere år.

Mvh.
Leif

Den fre. 21. dec. 2018 kl. 14.01 skrev Michel Coene 
mailto:michel.co...@gmail.com>>:
GeoDanmark og OSM har nok ikke 100% samme formål.  Vi laver forskel mellem 
"residential" og "farmyard", det gør de nok ikke.
Mit spørgsmål var om nogen ved hvor svært det vil være at udvikle en plugin som 
e.g. kan importere alle bygninger indenfor den område skærmen kigger på.
M

Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 13:50 schreef Uffe Kousgaard 
mailto:uffe.kousga...@routeware.dk>>:
Man kunne også spørge hvad skal vi med det meste af OSM i Danmark, når de 
væsentligste typer af data er tilgængelige på anden vis? Veje, bygninger, 
adresser, kystlinier m.m.m.

Det afspejler vel blot at OSM og Geodanmark ikke er koordinerede aktiviteter og 
har svært ved at blive det.

mvh
Uffe Kousgaard

On 21-12-2018 13:21, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:
Hvorfor gå en omvej over Apple, når GeoDanmark har 2 millioner danske bygninger 
til fri download ?


Fra: Michel Coene 
Sendt: 21. december 2018 12:03
Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark 

Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Er der nogen som kigger på det her?  Hvis vi ikke gider masse-import, hvor 
svært vil det være at programmere en plugin til OSM?
M

Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman 
mailto:andrew_wise...@apple.com>>:
Hello everyone,

This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know that we have 
completed our project adding missing buildings in Copenhagen, Aarhus and 
Odense: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html

In total our team added just over 35,000 missing buildings to OSM using SDFE 
imagery with the SDFE and Apple building layers to help guide us to where 
buildings were missing.

Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or anyone interested in 
mapping buildings throughout Denmark.  The SDFE buildings are linked at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and the Apple building 
layer is here: https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.

Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.

Andrew


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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Leif Lodahl]

Mht. import af bygninger, så mener jeg at løsningen findes. Jeg kan huske
der var snak om det og der blev gjort nogle forsøg for et par år siden.
Problemet har været, at vi (OSM) forlanger en eksplicit licens, hvorfor vi
ikke mener at have ret til GeoDanmarks data (på de generelle vilkår). Men
det er en diskussion som har bølget frem og tilbage gennem flere år.

Mvh.
Leif

Den fre. 21. dec. 2018 kl. 14.01 skrev Michel Coene :

> GeoDanmark og OSM har nok ikke 100% samme formål.  Vi laver forskel mellem
> "residential" og "farmyard", det gør de nok ikke.
> Mit spørgsmål var om nogen ved hvor svært det vil være at udvikle en
> plugin som e.g. kan importere alle bygninger indenfor den område skærmen
> kigger på.
> M
>
> Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 13:50 schreef Uffe Kousgaard <
> uffe.kousga...@routeware.dk>:
>
>> Man kunne også spørge hvad skal vi med det meste af OSM i Danmark, når de
>> væsentligste typer af data er tilgængelige på anden vis? Veje, bygninger,
>> adresser, kystlinier m.m.m.
>>
>> Det afspejler vel blot at OSM og Geodanmark ikke er koordinerede
>> aktiviteter og har svært ved at blive det.
>>
>> mvh
>> Uffe Kousgaard
>>
>> On 21-12-2018 13:21, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:
>>
>> Hvorfor gå en omvej over Apple, når GeoDanmark har 2 millioner danske
>> bygninger til fri download ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fra:* Michel Coene  
>> *Sendt:* 21. december 2018 12:03
>> *Til:* OpenStreetMap Denmark 
>> 
>> *Emne:* Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update
>>
>>
>>
>> Er der nogen som kigger på det her?  Hvis vi ikke gider masse-import,
>> hvor svært vil det være at programmere en plugin til OSM?
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>> Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman <
>> andrew_wise...@apple.com>:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know that we have
>> completed our project adding missing buildings in Copenhagen, Aarhus and
>> Odense:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html
>>
>>
>>
>> In total our team added just over 35,000 missing buildings to OSM using
>> SDFE imagery with the SDFE and Apple building layers to help guide us to
>> where buildings were missing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or anyone
>> interested in mapping buildings throughout Denmark.  The SDFE buildings are
>> linked at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and
>> the Apple building layer is here:
>> https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Wiseman |  Maps | andrew_wise...@apple.com
>>
>>
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>>
>> --
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>> Georginehaven 94
>>
>> Dk-2765 Smørum
>>
>> +45 52339625
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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.18.0

[Daniel Koć]

Dear all,

Today, v4.18.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default
stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are
deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before
all tiles show the new rendering.

Changes include


- Adding rendering for healthcare tag scheme
  - Changing hospital icon
  - Changing healthcare color to red
  - Changing natural=scrub color
  - Changing landuse=allotments color and pattern
- Adding rendering for natural=cape
- Rendering leisure=ice_rink
- Adding rendering for man_made=crane
- Adding icons for shop=fabric and shop=carpet
- Updating icons for amenity=arts_centre, leisure=slipway,
amenity=restaurant/amenity=food_court and
man_made=storage_tank/man_made=silo
- Using dedicated icon for artwork_type=bust
- Rendering railway pattern on z12
- Showing labels of big states (like Alaska)
- Moving railway=tram_stop and station=subway later
- Adding rendering for more private POIs
- Removing smoothing in leisure=track and attraction=water_slide
- Using subway bridge style for subway construction bridges
- Rendering wind turbines names and other tweaks
- Changing man_made gray and text color, making text-dy uniform
- Small documentation and code fixes

Thanks to all the contributors for this release including tpetillon, a
new contributor.

For a full list of commits, see
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v4.17.0...v4.18.0

As always, we welcome any bug reports at
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues

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Re: [Talk-cz] logo OSM-CZ

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Ahoj,

všechna současná loga včetně SVG jsem zveřejnil tady:
https://openstreetmap.cz/press
Jinak díky za iniciativu! Vytvořil jsem je cca na jaře 2015, když jsem
zprovozňoval openstreetmap.cz jako ten původní web okolo školení :-)
Samozřejmě, pokud je žádáná změna, může být. Vím že na sotmu někdo (gorn?)
zmiňoval, že by logo mělo lépe ukazovat, že se jedná o mapu.. což ovšem
nevím jak dosáhnout. A také viz ostatní národní spolky [1], vizuálně se mi
ta mapa s vlajkou líbí víc než ostatní možnosti.

Také zůstává k diskusi, jestli by organizace měla mít nějaké jiné logo,
nebo ne. Za mě spíše ne, abychom navenek působili jednotně.

Jinak co se týče nových návrhů, kdysi jsem zkoušel logo zjednodušit, aby se
dalo lépe tisknout. Ale jednak mi nepřijde lepší než současná verze, a
jednak se mi nepovedlo uspokojivě esteticky zanést do loga příslušnost k
česku :-)) viz [2]

Pavel

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#National_projects_logos
[2] https://zby.cz/osmcz-logo-v2.pdf


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:46 AM Tom Ka  wrote:

> Pokud nenajde, muzeme nekoho i oslovit, ale i tak bude potreba dodat
> nejake zadani co je vlastne cilem. Tak o tom muzete zkusit pres svatky
> popremyslet a ja to zas po novem roce muzu vykopnout...
>
> Bye
>
> pá 14. 12. 2018 v 23:16 odesílatel Petr Schönmann 
> napsal:
> >
> > Ahoj. Určitě se nenajde nějaký grafik v řadách osmcz? Pripadne sepsat
> grafický manuál pro tvorbu jakehokoliv grafickeh osmcz obsahu.
> > Rad bych uvital nejakou slozku kde bude neco jako press kit, pripadne
> pěkné sablony pro prezentace osmcz komunity.
> >
> > Dne pá 14. 12. 2018 15:40 uživatel majka 
> napsal:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 15:31, Tom Ka  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ahoj, asi by bylo fajn, kdyby jsi nejak okomentoval, proc jiny navrh
> nez co je na osmap.cz a jinde. tj. proc jiny navrh, v cem ma byt jiny
> apod.
> >>>
> >>> Diskuze nad tim jake ma byt logo komunity, jake spolku atd. je pak
> falsi vec - maji byt stejne, jine, podobne se spolecnym zakladem...
> >>
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Za mě, i když momentálně těžce předčasné: na to, aby to univerzálně
> fungovalo jako logo, to je moc barevné a příliš to spoléhá na velikost.
> Jakmile se začnou redukovat barvy, zmenšovat, případně hledat černobílou
> variantu, dostáváme se do problémů.
> >> Logo by ideálně mělo být bez problémů použitelné třeba i na razítko, z
> tohohle toho moc nezůstane.
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> > Petr Schönmann
> > https://www.facebook.com/klikklakcz
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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 439, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/11173/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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Hola, el semanario Nº 439, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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Hola, el semanario Nº 439, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/11173/

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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 439, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/11173/

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Re: [Talk-cz] Kdy bude na openstreetmap.cz aktuální mapa?

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Hezky, dík Mariáne!
Klidně hoď třeba do větve na github, mezi svátky klidně pomůžu s testováním.

P.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:52 PM Marián Kyral  wrote:

> Ahoj,
>
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Marián Kyral 
> Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
> Datum: 20. 9. 2018 21:00:06
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Kdy bude na openstreetmap.cz aktuální mapa?
>
> On 9/20/18 8:27 PM, Michal Poupa wrote:
>
> A jak tedy funguje? Zadám co chci hledat dám entr a nic se nestane
>
>
> Zadám co chci, počkám a vyberu z nabídky.
> Ale jinak souhlas, chce to vylepšit. Nemá někdo čas?.
>
>
> Tak jsem se ráno ve vlaku do Prahy nudil a rozhodl se opět mrknout na
> osmcz. Začal jsem aktualizací Leaflet a dalších použitých knihoven. A během
> testování jsem zjistil, že vyhledávání už funguje tak jak očekáváš. Dle
> issue které jsem našel [1], byl problém v samotném Leafletu a bylo to
> opraveno ve verzi 1.2 (máme 1.0.3 a teď je 1.3).
>
> Pokusím se vše otestovat během vánoc a pak to nasadíme.
>
> [1] https://github.com/stefanocudini/leaflet-search/issues/150
>
>
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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 439,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11173/

Enjoy!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Andy Townsend]

On 21/12/2018 13:55, Stephan Knauss wrote:


You should be ashamed to criticize


... on that specific note I don't think that people should _ever_ be 
ashamed to point out something that's "not quite right" or where the 
perception is wrong.  We can only work together if we communicate with 
each other, and the best way to start is often with a (public or 
private) polite "I don't agree with the way that you've done or said 
this", which has now happened.


Best Regards,

Andy



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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 439,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 439, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/11173/

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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 439, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/11173/

Aproveite!

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 439,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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happening in the openstreetmap world:

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Enjoy!

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 439,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11173/

Enjoy!

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #439 2018-12-11-2018-12-17

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 439,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11173/

Enjoy!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Stephan Knauss]

Interesting.

So you have never mapped anything substantial in Thailand.
What makes you an expert on the subject?

BTW: It is a huge difference whether someone insults a person or voices 
frustration about behavior of commercial entities.

Feel free to click on the "report" button in the forum in case you have found a 
post which you consider insulting to persons.

There had been harsh words used for respectles mapping behavior of some gold 
sponsor companies. But nothing to an extent that would justify more than a 
reminder I gave some persons on a meeting in person. 

You should be ashamed to criticize the few people doing the hard work on the 
ground instead of helping them to prevent being outnumbered by paid corporate 
mappers which obviously care less about the data quality than the typical 
mapper. 

Stephan


On December 21, 2018 11:13:48 AM GMT+01:00, wambac...@posteo.de wrote:
>Hi Naveen,
>
>Forum moderator is Stephan:
>https://forum.openstreetmap.org/profile.php?id=6112 
>
>If he's not doing his job, get another one.
>
>Regards
>
>walter, germany
>
>Am 21.12.18 um 10:36 schrieb Naveen Francis:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ? 
>> I was going through Thailand OSM forum
>> . 
>> For a raising a concern we need not use abusive language.
>> Users using abusive language should be warned, suspended or
>terminated
>> depending on the degree of the abuse. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Naveen Francis
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Andy Townsend]

On 21/12/2018 10:36, Naveen Francis wrote:


It would better to have common guidelines forum/wiki/talk.


Different language communities have different ways of communication.  
Some langauges are quite direct, yet to be direct like that in other 
languages would be extremely rude   Even within the same language (or 
more or less the same, between the US*, the UK and Australia) there are 
huge differences about the pleasantries that you have to go through 
before saying anything meaningful.  By all means have (as we have now) 
catch-all etiquette guidelines but please don't try and prevent 
individual communities from communicating with each other as they would 
naturally.


Best Regards,

Andy

* and let's not forget that there's a huge variety in the US too.  I'm 
from the UK but one big software project I was involved with over there 
had, among other people involved, someone who seemed straight out of 
60's San Francisco and an ex-Vietnam War pilot from New York.  All of 
the project's key players had, shall we say, "different ways of 
communicating things".




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Re: [Talk-es] ¿Cómo mapear una ludoteca?

[dcapillae]

Hola.

Una ludoteca es un espacio gestionado por una institución, organización o
negocio donde se realiza algún tipo de actividad para niños utilizando
juegos y juguetes, especialmente en educación infantil [1]. No es un parque
de bolas («leisure=playground») ni un local donde se celebren eventos
(«amenity=events_venue»).

En alguna ocasión he aconsejado mapear los espacios reservados para eventos
infantiles, espacios que pueden incluir un parque de bolas, mesas para
merienda y cualquier otro tipo de instalación orientada al público infantil
y sus familias, locales que se alquilan para cumpleaños, celebraciones
familiares y demás, usando «amenity=events_venue». Otra solución sería
emplear «amenity=community_centre» junto con «community_centre:for=children»
o «community_centre:for=family», aunque este etiquetado preferiría
reservarlo para otro tipo de instalaciones, no para un negocio que
simplemente alquila un espacio. Un centro comunitario tiene un significado
mucho más amplio.

Para mapear una ludoteca, me parece bien la propuesta «amenity=toy_library»,
ya que se orienta específicamente para ser utilizada con este tipo de
instalaciones, espacios gestionados por una institución, organización o
negocio donde se realizan actividades para niños utilizando juegos y
juguetes, especialmente en educación infantil.


[1] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludoteca



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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Digest di Talk-it-lazio, Volume 73, Numero 4

[Ubaldo Musco]

Ciao a tutti ed Auguri di un Buon Natale e Felice e Prospero 2019  :)

Ubaldo

> Il giorno 21 dic 2018, alle ore 13:00, 
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> Se rispondi a questo messaggio, per favore edita la linea dell'oggetto
> in modo che sia più utile di un semplice "Re: Contenuti del digest
> della lista Talk-it-lazio..."
> Argomenti del Giorno:
> 
>   1. Re: Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno? (Flaminia Tumino)
>   2. Re: Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno? (Martin Koppenhoefer)
>   3. Re: Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno? (Flaminia Tumino)
>   4. Re: Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno? (Marcello Pelato)
> 
> Da: Flaminia Tumino 
> Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?
> Data: 21 dicembre 2018 11:41:39 CET
> A: Marcello Pelato 
> Cc: "Talk-it-lazio@openstreetmap.org" 
> 
> 
> che dite dunque?
> lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?
> 
> Flaminia
> 
> Il giorno mer 19 dic 2018 alle ore 19:05 Marcello Pelato  > ha scritto:
> Vi stavo appunto pensando.
> Mi spiace ultimamente sono stato distratto da altro...
> 
> Allora buone feste ed all'anno prossimo 
> 
> On Monday, December 17, 2018, 5:55:04 PM GMT+1, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> direi di si.
> 
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> Da: Martin Koppenhoefer 
> Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?
> Data: 21 dicembre 2018 11:44:30 CET
> A: Flaminia Tumino 
> Cc: "Talk-it-lazio@openstreetmap.org" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb Flaminia Tumino 
> mailto:flaminiatum...@gmail.com>>:
> che dite dunque?
> lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?
> 
> 
> potremmo andare al primo lunedì del mese, così sarebbe il 7.
> 
> Ciao,
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> Da: Flaminia Tumino 
> Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?
> Data: 21 dicembre 2018 11:49:43 CET
> A: Martin Koppenhoefer 
> Cc: "Talk-it-lazio@openstreetmap.org" 
> 
> 
> per me andrebbe bene!
> 
> Flaminia
> 
> Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 11:44 Martin Koppenhoefer 
> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb Flaminia Tumino 
> mailto:flaminiatum...@gmail.com>>:
> che dite dunque?
> lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?
> 
> 
> potremmo andare al primo lunedì del mese, così sarebbe il 7.
> 
> Ciao,
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> Da: Marcello Pelato 
> Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?
> Data: 21 dicembre 2018 12:46:19 CET
> A: Martin Koppenhoefer , Flaminia Tumino 
> 
> Cc: "Talk-it-lazio@openstreetmap.org" 
> 
> 
> Io non ho problemi...
> basta che me lo ricordo eheheh
> 
> Comunque per recuperare il 7 gennaio va bene.
> Luogo ed orario?
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, December 21, 2018, 11:49:55 AM GMT+1, Flaminia Tumino 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> per me andrebbe bene!
> 
> Flaminia
> 
> Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 11:44 Martin Koppenhoefer 
> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb Flaminia Tumino 
> mailto:flaminiatum...@gmail.com>>:
> che dite dunque?
> lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?
> 
> 
> potremmo andare al primo lunedì del mese, così sarebbe il 7.
> 
> Ciao,
> Martin
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Re: [Talk-de] Rein unterirdische Gebäude?

[Harald Schwarz]

Hallo,

in Düsseldorf habe ich unterirdische Gebäude, meistens Tiefgaragen und Bunker, 
auf die folgende
Weise getaggt:

* building=* weggelassen
* building:underground=yes 

Zu sehen mit overpass-turbo: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EI1

Liebe Grüße aus Ratingen
   Harald Schwarz
   black_bike


> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 um 05:12 Uhr
> Von: "Roland Olbricht" 
> An: "Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch" 
> Betreff: [Talk-de] Rein unterirdische Gebäude?
>
> Hallo zusammen,
> 
> aus der Changeset-Diskussion
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/64670512
> ist die Frage aufgekommen, ob eine Tiefgarage schon ein Gebäude 
> darstellt, wenn die Zufahrt an einer Seite ebenerdig ist.
> 
> Erschwerend kommt hinzu, dass der Betreiber die Tiefgarage "Parkhaus" nennt.
> 
> Von der Lage her gibt es rund um das historische Bahnhofsgebäude die 
> Bahngleise auf der einen Seite und einen neu angelegten Bahnhofsvorplatz 
> mit Busbahnhof auf der anderen Seite. Diese sind zueinander ebenerdig. 
> Das Gelände südlich des Bahnhofs liegt viel höher, das Gelände nördlich 
> des Bahnhofs viel tiefer. Dementsprechend ist die Nordfront des 
> Verteilgeschosses unter dem Bahnhofsvorplatz und der Tiefgarage sichtbar.
> 
> Da der Fußgängerdurchgang zwischen Bahnhofstunnel und Innenstadt somit 
> ebenerdig ist, bildet dies auch die dominante Verkehrsachse.
> 
> Allerdings haben wir vergleichbare Situationen auch bei Bahndämmen in 
> Köln Hbf, Essen Hbf, Frankfurt Ostbahnhof und Berlin-Friedrichstraße. 
> Dort sind die Bahndämme mit Stützmauern ja ebenfalls kein Gebäude.
> 
> Ich wäre daher an Rückmeldung interessiert, wie andere die Situation 
> einschätzen. Insbesondere: Gibt es eine sinnvolle Lösung, 3D-Mapping an 
> solchen Hanglagen durchzuführen?
> 
> Viele Grüße,
> 
> Roland
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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Michel Coene]

GeoDanmark og OSM har nok ikke 100% samme formål.  Vi laver forskel mellem
"residential" og "farmyard", det gør de nok ikke.
Mit spørgsmål var om nogen ved hvor svært det vil være at udvikle en plugin
som e.g. kan importere alle bygninger indenfor den område skærmen kigger på.
M

Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 13:50 schreef Uffe Kousgaard <
uffe.kousga...@routeware.dk>:

> Man kunne også spørge hvad skal vi med det meste af OSM i Danmark, når de
> væsentligste typer af data er tilgængelige på anden vis? Veje, bygninger,
> adresser, kystlinier m.m.m.
>
> Det afspejler vel blot at OSM og Geodanmark ikke er koordinerede
> aktiviteter og har svært ved at blive det.
>
> mvh
> Uffe Kousgaard
>
> On 21-12-2018 13:21, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:
>
> Hvorfor gå en omvej over Apple, når GeoDanmark har 2 millioner danske
> bygninger til fri download ?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fra:* Michel Coene  
> *Sendt:* 21. december 2018 12:03
> *Til:* OpenStreetMap Denmark 
> 
> *Emne:* Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update
>
>
>
> Er der nogen som kigger på det her?  Hvis vi ikke gider masse-import, hvor
> svært vil det være at programmere en plugin til OSM?
>
> M
>
>
>
> Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman <
> andrew_wise...@apple.com>:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know that we have
> completed our project adding missing buildings in Copenhagen, Aarhus and
> Odense:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html
>
>
>
> In total our team added just over 35,000 missing buildings to OSM using
> SDFE imagery with the SDFE and Apple building layers to help guide us to
> where buildings were missing.
>
>
>
> Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or anyone interested
> in mapping buildings throughout Denmark.  The SDFE buildings are linked at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and the Apple
> building layer is here:
> https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Uffe Kousgaard]

Man kunne også spørge hvad skal vi med det meste af OSM i Danmark, når 
de væsentligste typer af data er tilgængelige på anden vis? Veje, 
bygninger, adresser, kystlinier m.m.m.


Det afspejler vel blot at OSM og Geodanmark ikke er koordinerede 
aktiviteter og har svært ved at blive det.


mvh
Uffe Kousgaard

On 21-12-2018 13:21, Kurt Forbech Toft wrote:


Hvorfor gå en omvej over Apple, når GeoDanmark har 2 millioner danske 
bygninger til fri download ?


*Fra:*Michel Coene 
*Sendt:* 21. december 2018 12:03
*Til:* OpenStreetMap Denmark 
*Emne:* Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

Er der nogen som kigger på det her? Hvis vi ikke gider masse-import, 
hvor svært vil det være at programmere en plugin til OSM?


M

Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman 
mailto:andrew_wise...@apple.com>>:


Hello everyone,


This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know that we
have completed our project adding missing buildings in Copenhagen,
Aarhus and Odense:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html

In total our team added just over 35,000 missing buildings to OSM
using SDFE imagery with the SDFE and Apple building layers to help
guide us to where buildings were missing.

Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or anyone
interested in mapping buildings throughout Denmark.  The SDFE
buildings are linked at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and
the Apple building layer is here:
https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.

Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.

Andrew


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Re: [Talk-cz] Mapy.cz a OSM data v CZ (a jinde)

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj,

souhlasim s tim, ze tohle je cinnost vhodna pro spolek, navic to
vypada, ze i smerem k mapy.cz je to jedna z moznych forem spoluprace.
Zkusme teda znovu otevrit po novem roce, bud to pak muzeme brat
jednotlive nebo zkusit nejak zmapovat situaci v CZ a zkusit to nejak
systematicteji (coz by melo vyhodu v tom, ze Brno, Praha, XX dali,
proc nedate vy...)

Bye

čt 20. 12. 2018 v 13:05 odesílatel majka  napsal:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 22:47, Tom Ka  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Krome toho zrejme na komunitu (a/nebo spolek) budou smerovat jednani o
>> vyuziti otevrenych dat ruznych mest, zmineny byly Ceske Budejovice a
>> parkovaci automaty, takze to muze byt motivace pro nas zkusit se v
>> tomto angazovat a do OSM patricna data dostat.
>
>
> Koukala jsem, že se můj mail z mobilu nějak nepovedl, takže shrnutí:
>
> České Budějovice jsou na hrozně dlouhé lokty. Otevřená data nikde nemají. 
> Informací je poměrně dost, jenže to na mě působí dojmem, že by jim nejvíc 
> vyhovovalo, abychom si to potichu okopčili, aby se pod souhlas nikdo z 
> magistrátu nemusel podepsat.
>
> Co se parkovacích automatů týká, podle informací co mám to dostaly mapy.cz 
> přímo od města věnované zdarma, včetně modrých zón.  Jakým způsobem to šlo 
> konkrétně, to netuším. Opět, ta data oficiálně k použití nejsou, i když je 
> jich všude hromada.
>
> Osobně bych po Novém roce možná zkusila oficiálním dopisem (možná ještě lépe 
> i pod hlavičkou spolku) oslovit přímo primátora, a případně i dopravní 
> podnik, který v ČB spravuje mimo jiné i parkovací automaty. Protože 
> neoficiální jednání na různých místech zatím nevedou k ničemu. Respektive - 
> nebyl by problém získat data, ale souhlas s jejich použitím zatím se nedaří 
> nikde vylámat.
>
> Možná by tohle byl i námět pro spolek - tedy obecně rozhodit sítě, a písemně 
> oslovit v první fázi kraje a magistráty velkých měst, kde se nám data zatím 
> získat nepodařilo, s nějakým dopisem vysvětlujícím, co to OSM je a s prosbou 
> o poskytnutí dat za účelem mapování.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment indiquer qu'un cimetière est ouvert aux véhicules ?

[LeTopographeFou]

Oui mais access=permissive couvre aussi les piétons, donc si seules les 
véhicules doivent demander une autorisation pour entrer mais que le 
piéton lambda peut entrer/sortir librement il vaut mieux affiner en 
utilisant vehicle=permissive et non access=permissive.


LeTopographeFou

Le 20/12/2018 à 13:12, JB a écrit :

Bonjour,
Comme déjà noté, tu ne taggues pas le cimetière, mais chaque voie du 
cimetière. Ce sont sur elles que les gens circulent habituellement.
Par exemple celle-ci : https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23793441. 
Cependant, access=permissive indique que c'est déjà le cas 
actuellement. Pour tout type de véhicule, jusqu'à ce que le 
gestionnaire du cimetière décide de changer.

Cordialement,
JB.

Le 20/12/2018 à 12:52, Shohreh a écrit :

Merci, mais comment faire ?

Doit-on créer une relation avec "service=highway=service" et y inclure
toutes les ways (comment ?) qui composent les voies dans le cimetière ?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/13793222



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment indiquer qu'un cimetière est ouvert aux véhicules ?

[LeTopographeFou]

Bonjour,

Je ne suis pas partisan de relations dans ce cas de figure... Juste 
tagger les voies (chemins piétons et routes carrossables) avec les bons 
attributs.


LeTopographeFou

Le 20/12/2018 à 12:52, Shohreh a écrit :

Merci, mais comment faire ?

Doit-on créer une relation avec "service=highway=service" et y inclure
toutes les ways (comment ?) qui composent les voies dans le cimetière ?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/13793222



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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?

[Marcello Pelato]

 Io non ho problemi...basta che me lo ricordo eheheh
Comunque per recuperare il 7 gennaio va bene.Luogo ed orario?


On Friday, December 21, 2018, 11:49:55 AM GMT+1, Flaminia Tumino 
 wrote:  
 
 per me andrebbe bene!
Flaminia
Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 11:44 Martin Koppenhoefer 
 ha scritto:



Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb Flaminia Tumino 
:

che dite dunque?lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?


potremmo andare al primo lunedì del mese, così sarebbe il 7.
Ciao,Martin

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[OSM-ja] タグ投票の必要票について（Was: 提案:投票中 [Japan tagging/Access transportation mode]）

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

異なる話題かと思うので、件名を変えました。
（スレッドもきちんと切れてるかな、切れてるといいな）

厳しい割に中途半端、というのは、僕も詳しい経緯を知らず、正直なところ、
「すごい昔に決まって、そういうもの、として運用されている」という認識です。

過去の議論でも、8:1がRejectはおかしくない？という話がでてたりしますが、
そこから具体的にしきい値が変わったりはしていないようです。

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_process#Take_2_.282015-03.29





2018年12月19日(水) 10:50 石野貴之 :

> 石野@yumean1119です。
> 投票が承認される条件について確認したいことがありメールしています。
>
> (1) 前者の「8票以上の賛成」とは、後者との整合性を考えると「反対票なしで8票以上」の意味だと思うのですが、
> では賛成8-反対1だった場合はどのようになるのでしょうか。
>
> プロ野球における首位打者認定の例外規定のように、10票への不足分を反対票とみなしてもなお賛成票が74%を超えるため承認、
> となるのでしょうか。でないと、8-0, 8-2はよくて8-1はよくないというのは不自然に思われます。
> (参考: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/首位打者
> )
>
> (2) 「74%の賛成」について、(a) このような厳しいわりに中途半端な数字なのは何故でしょうか。また、
> (b) 原文が"more than 74% approval"となっており、英語のmore
> thanは日本語の「以上」と異なりその数自身を含まないのですが、
>
> これは日本語でいう「75％以上」と同じとみてよいのでしょうか。それとも、小数点以下ほんのわずかでも74%を超えるとよいということなのでしょうか。(例えば20/27=74.074…%)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Naveen Francis]

Thank you Eugene for the link,

Saw this one in the Etiquette page.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Code_of_Conduct_(Draft)
I was looking for the same.

Better we try to make it a reality.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Code_of_Conduct_(Draft)#Moving_from_draft_to_reality

Thanks,
Naveen Francis




On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:18 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 5:40 PM Naveen Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ?
>> I was going through Thailand OSM forum
>> .
>> For a raising a concern we need not use abusive language.
>> Users using abusive language should be warned, suspended or terminated
>> depending on the degree of the abuse.
>>
>
> Hi Naveen,
>
> There is no policy per se (as in something that is enforceable). But we do
> have the following pseudo-guidelines that apply across all communication
> channels hosted by the OSM Foundation:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette
>
> ~Eugene
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Re: [Talk-dk] Denmark building project update

[Michel Coene]

Er der nogen som kigger på det her?  Hvis vi ikke gider masse-import, hvor
svært vil det være at programmere en plugin til OSM?
M

Op do 20 dec. 2018 om 17:50 schreef Andrew Wiseman :

> Hello everyone,
>
> This is Andrew again from Apple, I wanted to let you know that we have
> completed our project adding missing buildings in Copenhagen, Aarhus and
> Odense:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2018-September/005138.html
>
> In total our team added just over 35,000 missing buildings to OSM using
> SDFE imagery with the SDFE and Apple building layers to help guide us to
> where buildings were missing.
>
> Those two datasets are available to the OSM community or anyone interested
> in mapping buildings throughout Denmark.  The SDFE buildings are linked at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Denmark and the Apple
> building layer is here:
> https://github.com/awisemanapple/appledata/blob/master/README.md.
>
> Please let me know if you have any feedback.  Thanks.
>
> Andrew
>
>
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Re: [Talk-de] BGH Urteil zum Fotografieren in Museen

[Eifelhunde]

ist zwar nicht ein museum, sondern der Aachener Dom

auch dort ist fotografieren verboten, allerdings ist es möglich gegen 
eine Gebühr eine Erlaubnis zu bekommen. Glaube es waren 5 Euro, die 
Fotos dürfen dann laut dem Schweizer überall verwendet werden, auch mit 
stativ. für private Fotos waren das 50 cent.


So was wäre doch auch für Museen ideal. Für das Freilichtmuseum in 
Kommern (Eifel) ist eine Erlaubnis von Nöten.


Ich könnte mir vorstellen das Museen das unterschiedlich handhaben.



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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?

[Flaminia Tumino]

per me andrebbe bene!

Flaminia

Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 11:44 Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
>
> Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb Flaminia Tumino <
> flaminiatum...@gmail.com>:
>
>> che dite dunque?
>> lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?
>>
>
>
> potremmo andare al primo lunedì del mese, così sarebbe il 7.
>
> Ciao,
> Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 5:40 PM Naveen Francis 
wrote:

> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ?
> I was going through Thailand OSM forum
> .
> For a raising a concern we need not use abusive language.
> Users using abusive language should be warned, suspended or terminated
> depending on the degree of the abuse.
>

Hi Naveen,

There is no policy per se (as in something that is enforceable). But we do
have the following pseudo-guidelines that apply across all communication
channels hosted by the OSM Foundation:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette

~Eugene
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 11:41 Uhr schrieb Flaminia Tumino <
flaminiatum...@gmail.com>:

> che dite dunque?
> lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?
>


potremmo andare al primo lunedì del mese, così sarebbe il 7.

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it-lazio] Incontri mensili nel nuovo anno?

[Flaminia Tumino]

che dite dunque?
lasciamo l'ultimo lunedì del mese o cambiamo?

Flaminia

Il giorno mer 19 dic 2018 alle ore 19:05 Marcello Pelato 
ha scritto:

> Vi stavo appunto pensando.
> Mi spiace ultimamente sono stato distratto da altro...
>
> Allora buone feste ed all'anno prossimo [image: Emoji]
>
> On Monday, December 17, 2018, 5:55:04 PM GMT+1, Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> direi di si.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Naveen Francis]

Hello Frederik,

All the entities like forum/wiki/talk are global.
It would better to have common guidelines forum/wiki/talk.

Splitting the guidelines each forum say,  India forum, Germany forum would
not do any good.

I understand your point and can be part of the guideline for the forum.
First, raise in the forum.
Second, raise to Moderator.
Moderator can take the call ?

When Verdy was blocked in the Wiki , we didn't had any policy.  (still, we
don't have)
It was discussed on the random talk page.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Lyx#Verdy_p_2

Thanks,
Naveen Francis



On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:48 PM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 21.12.2018 10:36, Naveen Francis wrote:
> > Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ?
> > I was going through Thailand OSM forum
>
> Generally, you should only appeal to authorities if you cannot resolve
> the matter in the community. If you find that someone in the discussion
> is using an inappropriate tone, get involved, post a message yourself,
> tell them that you feel offended by something they said, and ask them to
> be more polite.
>
> If you cannot do that, or if it doesn't help, then the next step would
> be writing to the moderator(s). The Thailand forum is moderated by user
> stephankn. The moderator can edit posts or block people from
> contributing to the forum.
>
> What is or is not abusive will often depend on the usual tone of
> exchange in a region, therefore it is desirable to have rules
> interpreted by people familiar with the local customs.
>
> Discussing the tone on the Thailand forum on the international talk
> mailing list is probably much less helpful than the two suggestions I
> have made above.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 21.12.2018 10:36, Naveen Francis wrote:
> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ? 
> I was going through Thailand OSM forum

Generally, you should only appeal to authorities if you cannot resolve
the matter in the community. If you find that someone in the discussion
is using an inappropriate tone, get involved, post a message yourself,
tell them that you feel offended by something they said, and ask them to
be more polite.

If you cannot do that, or if it doesn't help, then the next step would
be writing to the moderator(s). The Thailand forum is moderated by user
stephankn. The moderator can edit posts or block people from
contributing to the forum.

What is or is not abusive will often depend on the usual tone of
exchange in a region, therefore it is desirable to have rules
interpreted by people familiar with the local customs.

Discussing the tone on the Thailand forum on the international talk
mailing list is probably much less helpful than the two suggestions I
have made above.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[wambacher]

Hi Naveen,

Forum moderator is Stephan:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/profile.php?id=6112 

If he's not doing his job, get another one.

Regards

walter, germany

Am 21.12.18 um 10:36 schrieb Naveen Francis:
> Hello,
>
> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ? 
> I was going through Thailand OSM forum
> . 
> For a raising a concern we need not use abusive language.
> Users using abusive language should be warned, suspended or terminated
> depending on the degree of the abuse. 
>
> Thanks,
> Naveen Francis
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 10:40 Uhr schrieb Naveen Francis <
navee...@wikimedia.in>:

> Hello,
>
> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ?
>


people are expected to be constructive, respectful and collaborative ;-)

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-de] BGH Urteil zum Fotografieren in Museen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 00:18 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole :

> Sinnvoller wäre es gewesen auf den Gesetzgeber etc. einzuwirken, dass
> der Erhalt von Förderung etc von Museen und ähnlichen Einrichtungen an
> Bedingungen für den Zugang der Allgemeinheit geknüpft werden, die z.B.
> das Photographieren von gemeinfreien Werken erlauben.
>


+1, um so mehr, als es sich hier wohl um einen öffentlichen Betreiber
handelt, die Stadt Mannheim, wenn ich das richtig sehe:
https://www.rem-mannheim.de/wir-ueber-uns/organisationsstruktur/

Eigentlich sollten Museen, Sammlungen und Bibliotheken am besten selbst
ihre gesammelten Werke ordentlich digitalisieren und in voller Qualität
allen Interessierten übers Internet zur Verfügung stellen, da sind wir uns
hier vermutlich einig.

Gruß,
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[OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Naveen Francis]

Hello,

Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ?
I was going through Thailand OSM forum
.
For a raising a concern we need not use abusive language.
Users using abusive language should be warned, suspended or terminated
depending on the degree of the abuse.

Thanks,
Naveen Francis

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Re: [talk-ph] Grab in conflict with Thailand OSM community

[grab osm]

Yes that's always a check point for us Erwin.

Thanks Lavanya

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 14:45 Erwin Olario 
> And speaking of imagery alignment, please check the imagery offsets
> database, if you're working with any imagery (even Bing), our (Kaart) work
> in PH updates the IODB, whenever possible, and recording offsets with
> Strava heatmaps (or some other source.)
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:32 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:25 PM Glen Scott  wrote:
>>
>>> Is it a concern that they keep referring to Bing imagery "We will also
>>> use Bing imagery to ensure there are no missing roads". In the parts
>>> I've looked at, some roads on Bing just don't exist any more! Bing is good
>>> for coastline where there has been no human development, but not good for
>>> anything else. Using Bing imagery to check for roads will create the
>>> classic GPS nav problem - OLD DATA = WRONG WAY!
>>>
>>
>> It is definitely a concern to use any old and outdated imagery, not just
>> Bing. But based on experience, Bing usually has the best alignment out of
>> all the available satellite imagery so it makes sense to refer to Bing (at
>> first). But any good remote mapper worth their salt should check other
>> imagery as well to (hopefully) avoid mapping outdated roads and features.
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