Re: [OSM-talk] Tablet, OpenStreetMap, navigator
Kaare, I had the same problem a few months ago, too many options, not enough recommendations! I can personally recommend OSMAnd for Android, which is very good. Moving map, route calculations and directions, can download maps to use offline, very customisable, many options. It's free, or there's a pro version for a few euros which I paid for as it's worth supporting. Unfortunately there is no iOS version of OSMAnd, so I have Forevermap, which is actually OK - though I have much less experience of this - as I have only just found it. Phil From: Kaare Rasmussen ka...@jasonic.dk Sent: 14 July 2014 07:42 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] Tablet, OpenStreetMap, navigator Hi All I've tried and failed to find recent, up to date discussions or information on the use of OpenStreetMap with a tablet as a navigator. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tablet_PC is a rather outdated wiki page about how to use a tablet to collect OSM data http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android lists every application known to man. I guess I'd like to find a shortlist of recommendations, or a discussion of sorts. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English
Historically it's always been lifebelt in England. See eg http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html [http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/images/e_brown.jpg]http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html Crewman E. Brown and two other Titanic survivors Survivors from the Titanic disaster arrive in Southampton. The centre figure in the photograph is Mr E. Brown who was unable to swim but kept afloat f... Read more...http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com Sent: 16 June 2014 10:30 To: Andreas Goss Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.demailto:andi...@t-online.de wrote: I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with amenity and buoy. Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both correct? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlife_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifebuoy __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88http://openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English
And http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 for a modern usage example. Lifebelts | Scarborough Borough Council A local authority is required to provide and maintain lifebelts next to rivers and waterways in the area. Read more...http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Barnett, Phillip Sent: 16 June 2014 10:37 To: Richard Mann; Andreas Goss Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English Historically it's always been lifebelt in England. See eg http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html [http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/images/e_brown.jpg]http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html Crewman E. Brown and two other Titanic survivors Survivors from the Titanic disaster arrive in Southampton. The centre figure in the photograph is Mr E. Brown who was unable to swim but kept afloat f... Read more...http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html From: Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com Sent: 16 June 2014 10:30 To: Andreas Goss Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.demailto:andi...@t-online.de wrote: I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with amenity and buoy. Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both correct? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlife_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifebuoy __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88http://openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd audio files and JOSM
If the time of day is accurate, then just use ‘touch’ to change the date. [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Martyn Evans [mailto:i...@dynoyo.plus.com] Sent: 04 February 2014 20:00 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd audio files and JOSM On 04/02/14 19:12, Arlindo Pereira wrote: I think that when you convert the files, the new file has a different timestamp, hence JOSM can't figure out where in time it goes. Arlindo On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Martyn Evans i...@dynoyo.plus.commailto:i...@dynoyo.plus.com wrote: I'm trying to use OsmAnd for audio annotated mapping, making short files for each point of interest. The tracks are accurate, and the waypoints of the audio files are displayed correctly when the track file is opened in JOSM. I converted a few of the OsmAnd .3gp files to .wav using ffmpeg via the gui WinFF, and they play back OK. Importing audio in JOSM, I get a message that some waypoints with timestamps from before the start of the track or after the end were omitted or moved to the start. Click on the filename on the map, and the message is This is after the end of the recording. How does JOSM get the date and time from the audio files? Can the dates be checked, and the files be re-dated ? Martyn ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk I just checked with new files from a track made today: Leaving the files on the phone, connect via usb and ffmpeg -i gives a date of 1948-02-04 for a file created on 2014-02-04. The times are correct. This metadata was preserved through the conversions and transfers. Photos taken on the same track have correct date/time and display correctly in JOSM. Martyn ( using OsmAnd 1.6.5 beta on Android 4.0.4, latest JOSM and Ubuntu 13.10 ) Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Details about wooded belt in Saratov Oblast?
Also see The Plough that Broke the Steppes: Agriculture and Environment on Russia's Grasslands, 1700-1914 by David Moon - Oxford University Press, 2013 where the Saratov shelter belts are described as being planted in the 1870/1880's era. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: malenki o...@malenki.ch Sent: 25 January 2014 05:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Details about wooded belt in Saratov Oblast? On 25.01.2014 00:08, osm@0sg.net wrote: First of all, my sincere thanks go to everyone who sent a reply to my question. :) Am 24.01.2014 07:22, schrieb Ilya Zverev - zve...@textual.ru: Hi! Sadly there is no English version of that wiki page, but you can read about that and other forest belts using google translation: http://tinyurl.com/windforest . Ilya, your link was crucial for me in understanding what those forest belts are all about. Thanks! I'd like to thank for that link too. Some years ago I read in one of Bernhard Grzimek's¹ books (from ~1965) about big wood belts planned in the Soviet Union. He believed that this was a good idea (I too) and that the descendants of the planters would be thankful to their ancestors. But doing research at that time I could not find nothing about these woods. Now I have to dig through the books to add another source to that Russian Wikipedia page. Regards malenki ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Grzimek ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data
Paul, NPE maps were the first backgrounds for the editors other than some quite low res Yahoo imagery of the UK, so people used them for mapping streams/rivers/woods etc back in the day. As you have noticed, they don’t necessarily relate to modern streams – they may have dried up or been culverted/piped long since. They are all over 50 years old, (for copyright reasons) after all. Yes, if the facts on the ground have changed, then the stream needs to be moved, or removed. No process needed, just use an editor. Note – only remove NPE tagged items if you know they have changed – don’t just do a mass-remove! (That’s in the unlikely event you were planning to write a bot to remove them all!) Phil [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Paul Churchley [mailto:p...@churchley.org] Sent: 06 October 2013 16:57 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] NPE data I have come across some data tagged as source=npe. I know what the NPE maps are but my question is a bit of a newbies one... why is NPE data mapped on OSM if it is so old? I have just mapped an area for a customer of mine and there is a stream mapped running right through the centre of his property. It is tagged source=npe. The stream is no longer there and hasn't been for the 20 or so years he has owned the property. The old stream is showing up on OSM rendered tiles. His properly is a caravan site and so it would be good if his property did not have a stream that no longer exists running through it as it suggests that it might flood... which it doesn't. What is the situation regarding npe data? Can it be removed? Obviously I would just remove it!!! But is there is a process to get it removed? If it is to be kept, then how can we get the OSM tiles rendered without it showing this old stream? I can see that some specialist tiles might want to show old data like this but I wouldn't have thought it appropriate that normal OSM tiles would need to show this old data would it? Any help would be appreciated. Paul Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data
+1 -Original Message- From: Philip Barnes [mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk] Sent: 06 October 2013 18:42 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data I tend to see an NPE tag as something that needs attention. A lot of the area, where I now live, North Shropshire, was armchair mapped using NPE maps. That includes a lot of roads, I am getting through resurveying them but even today I found one that according to my GPS was 50m from where it should be. In the case of a road I see it as an indication that there is a road there (somewhere), or it may be a dirt track, NPE did not show the difference and I have re-tagged quite a few of these. Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 16:23 +, Barnett, Phillip wrote: Paul, NPE maps were the first backgrounds for the editors other than some quite low res Yahoo imagery of the UK, so people used them for mapping streams/rivers/woods etc back in the day. As you have noticed, they don’t necessarily relate to modern streams – they may have dried up or been culverted/piped long since. They are all over 50 years old, (for copyright reasons) after all. Yes, if the facts on the ground have changed, then the stream needs to be moved, or removed. No process needed, just use an editor. Note – only remove NPE tagged items if you know they have changed – don’t just do a mass-remove! (That’s in the unlikely event you were planning to write a bot to remove them all!) Phil PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Paul Churchley [mailto:p...@churchley.org] Sent: 06 October 2013 16:57 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] NPE data I have come across some data tagged as source=npe. I know what the NPE maps are but my question is a bit of a newbies one... why is NPE data mapped on OSM if it is so old? I have just mapped an area for a customer of mine and there is a stream mapped running right through the centre of his property. It is tagged source=npe. The stream is no longer there and hasn't been for the 20 or so years he has owned the property. The old stream is showing up on OSM rendered tiles. His properly is a caravan site and so it would be good if his property did not have a stream that no longer exists running through it as it suggests that it might flood... which it doesn't. What is the situation regarding npe data? Can it be removed? Obviously I would just remove it!!! But is there is a process to get it removed? If it is to be kept, then how can we get the OSM tiles rendered without it showing this old stream? I can see that some specialist tiles might want to show old data like this but I wouldn't have thought it appropriate that normal OSM tiles would need to show this old data would it? Any help would be appreciated. Paul Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Historic Maps - Can you help?
There’s a National Library of Wales too, also with a large map collection … No idea about their access policy though. http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=introduction3 Phillip [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Steven Horner [mailto:ste...@stevenhorner.com] Sent: 13 July 2013 18:19 To: Rob Nickerson Cc: histo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Historic Maps - Can you help? I've used the NLS maps a lot and wish there were more maps from England available. Obviously this isn't a priority for them but would happily help in anyway I can. I have looked at their online georeferencer but almost all are done. It's a shame the English equivelant aren't as open. Steven On 13 Jul 2013 12:51, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.commailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have been speaking with the National Library of Scotland (NLS) about their large collection of historic maps. Currently they provide a online collection of historic maps as set out on their website [1]. Some of these are georeferenced and can be used in OSM [2]. There is lots more left to scan and georeference!! (Not all of them are Scotland maps, in fact there are many non-UK maps too). Question: Is anyone interested in helping georeference historic maps? The process is quite simple - NLS will do the scanning for us, we just need to follow the georeferencing guide [3] using a suitable piece of software such as QGIS (free). If you are interested in helping, what maps would you like to see? I am thinking maybe detailed Town Plans*, but we could also look at some emerging places maps (e.g. Antarctica). Regards, Rob *) Some Scottish Town Plans have already been scanned and just need georeferencing: http://maps.nls.uk/towns/index.html [1] http://maps.nls.uk/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland [3] http://geo.nls.uk/urbhist/guides_georeferencing.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] railway:historic=rail
PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: 13 May 2013 12:56 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] railway:historic=rail . BR is unlikely ever to do that and the information is not visible on the ground, but it is available information. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL They certainly are unlikely ever to do that. Unless this lot succeed .. http://www.bringbackbritishrail.org/ :-) Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OHM] Fwd: Aerial Photographs
Ahem, just to be accurate. It's the Bodleian Library, not Bodelian. Unless there's another one? [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Andy Robinson [ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 April 2013 16:28 To: 'Mikel Maron'; 'Steve Doerr'; histo...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [OHM] Fwd: Aerial Photographs Hi Mikel, should have some more info on the Sheffield holding (photos and description) either over the w/e or in a weeks time. I’m expecting them to be mostly boxed sets and the coverage mainly focussed on northern England. Useful to know about your Bodelian experience. Cheers Andy From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 April 2013 16:20 To: Steve Doerr; histo...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OHM] Fwd: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs Amazing. Sounds like a similar cache to what's held at Bodelian in Oxford. This collection of images was acquired by RAF over British Colonies, and other nations, in order to make ordnance survey maps. There's over 500K images there. I've explored it once, and found/scanned/composited/georeferenced/tiled Nairobi from 1961. As it was just 50 years, it was out of copyright (copyright in the case of these images is presumably owned by the country they were acquired in, even if they were then a colony). Did a short presentation on this a couple weeks ago. http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/geodc-historic/#17 My thinking around next step was something like a Kickstarter to do 10 more global, out of copyright cities, and build a site to start distributing and promoting the imagery. It's really amazing stuff, a time machine. Excited to see what's in the Sheffield cache. Also, we might be able to ask for guidance on storage from the Bodelian, they were very helpful when I was working with the archive. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.commailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com To: histo...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:histo...@openstreetmap.org histo...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:histo...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 6:08 AM Subject: [OHM] Fwd: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs Given the 'historic' nature of this material, I thought I would copy this here. Steve Original Message Subject: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:54:04 +0100 From: Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.commailto:ajrli...@gmail.com To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Folks, Sheffield University has some surplus aerial imagery that could be available to us if we wish to have it. Its described as a considerable collection (amounting to around 6 filling cabinets) of UK (mostly England, and mainly northern England) black white 9 x 9 photographic prints, dating from around WWII to the early 1980s. There are a few index sheets, many of the boxed sets are labelled. I've asked for some more details so that we might consider storage requirements (They are currently temporarily stored in a garage but need to be in a dry low humidity room really) and should get some photos of what it all looks like in the next few days. In the meantime two questions for UK OSMers: 1. Do you think this is a resource that we should go for and build upon as a sub-project within OSM? 2. How should we best deal with physical storage until such time as items can be digitised. The question about what to do with documents (same applies to all the map sheets I have) after digitising can be left till a later date. I'm less worried about scanning and managing the files now as I have sufficient scanning equipment to cover most bases and disk space attached to an OSM sever doesn't appear to be an issue. We would need to come up with tools and methods of turning them into a seamless mosaic but I'm sure given the task there's a workable solution for that too. All thoughts, suggestions and offers welcome. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Historic mailing list histo...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:histo...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3267 / Virus Database: 3162/6224 - Release Date: 04/04/13 Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent
Re: [OSM-talk] What to call OSM data?
That's one meaning of authoritative. The other meaning is 1. Having or arising from authority; official: an authoritative decree; authoritative sources. Which in this context would be someone like local government, as they are the ones who normally allocate street names, etc From: Tom Davie [tom.da...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 10:25 To: Pieren Cc: osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] What to call OSM data? On 26 Nov 2012, at 09:58, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: So for example crowdsourced infromation, volunteered geographic information, non-authoritative data, or something else? Crowdsourced non-authoritative geographic data ? I'm personally not sure I agree with the non-authoritative part. Half the point of OpenStreetMap is that it's made by authorities on the subject of their local area. Of course, I guess that doesn't hold for all editors. Bob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Huge Berlin map - OSM?
I was hoping to see a recursive map of Berlin here http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.517521lon=13.402168zoom=18layers=M :-) From: Gregory [mailto:nomoregra...@googlemail.com] Sent: 18 September 2012 14:05 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Huge Berlin map - OSM? Ah they are great videos Alex. So can you confirm what source map they used? Greg. On 18 September 2012 00:52, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.orgmailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote: Cool! On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Alexrk alex...@yahoo.demailto:alex...@yahoo.de wrote: I did a short movie clip that shows how the map makers are working on the map. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z77Z_G4iOyA There is also a time lapse video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmVbR16D6E The map makers are actually stage designers from theatre. First the whole place had been asphalted, then they draw some kind of a reference grid on it. To transfer the geometries onto the ground, they used around 270 stencils. Regards Alex -- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Alexrk2 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.commailto:o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
Off -topic --- Apparently it's not been a good year for bluebells - wrong kind of spring. -Original Message- From: Robert Norris [mailto:rw_nor...@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 19:39 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178lon=-1.15578zoom=15 It's literally empty space! Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was there some over zealous deletion by some one? Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more that went missing too. This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not that many. So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - not that I walked many of them). What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* paths, and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and renewed knowledge. I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Government summit on road data
http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/stories/dft-news-20120306/ Some interesting developments ““The summit will see a plan of action agreed to ensure motorists are given the best possible directions and help prevent huge lorries from being sent down narrow country lanes and through small villages. “This is timely because from next month we are allowing local authorities to reclassify roads – ensuring A roads are placed where they want traffic to run and lowering the category of road in places they want traffic to avoid – rather than having to come to Whitehall for approval. These powers will help councils make sure that drivers are using suitable routes.” “ [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Abuse of OSM data / censorship in Germany
Uninstall Sophos? Well, I'm on a corporate network, so that's not possible. But yes, clearly Sophos seems broken... Just thought I'd flag it up anyway... PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Cobra [mailto:cobra_...@yahoo.com] Sent: 31 January 2012 06:33 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Abuse of OSM data / censorship in Germany Hi, On 2012-01-30 22:48, Barnett, Phillip wrote: Beware! - The first link here set off all kinds of malware warnings from Sophos! Location: osmac.bplaced.net/bing_proof Access has been blocked as the threat Mal/HTMLGen-A has been found on this website. Return to the page you were previously viewing. That's completely insane. Uninstall Sophos as it's clearly broken. This page is the default apache2 index of a folder containing some .pngs, but no html. bye ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Example of OSM National Turst property map?
Wicken Fen http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.30848lon=0.28945zoom=15layers=M and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.23605lon=0.23894zoom=16layers=M Anglesey Abbey and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.22564lon=-4.09334zoom=17layers=M Penrhyn Castle PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Derick Rethans [o...@derickrethans.nl] Sent: 01 February 2012 00:10 To: Fozy 81 Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Example of OSM National Turst property map? On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Fozy 81 wrote: Anyone know of a good example of National Trust property mapped in detail? I've done a few: http://osm.org/go/erUaVMKzv-- (Godolphin) http://osm.org/go/evoQXgbNl- (Nostell Priory) http://osm.org/go/euK~bjiHP-- (Barrington Court) cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Turner's Island, Hickling Broad, Norfolk
This shows it nicely. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11569018 There's a narrow channel between it and Rush Hill, so it needs redrawing on the map to make it an island. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 29 January 2012 23:12 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Turner's Island, Hickling Broad, Norfolk Does anyone know the location of Turner's Island, Hickling Broad, Norfolk, referred to in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Turner_(photographer)? Another source has it in the south-east of Hickling Broad, next to Rush Hill, still known by local fishermen as Turner Island as late as the 1960s. I'd like to add it to the map and include its coordinates in the Wikipedia article. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say
Well yes, but instead you've got a very conspicuous link saying 'Where's the map? .. here it is. And also four other obvious maps below that even! PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: 28 December 2011 21:51 To: Thomas Davie Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say Hi, On 12/28/2011 10:41 PM, Thomas Davie wrote: This is a lot better though than Can you believe it, OpenStreetMap doesn't even have an open street map on their home page!. We've been using http://www.openstreetmap.de/ in its current form for 6 weeks now. I'll let you know when someone complains that it has no map. (The earlier version did have an OpenLayers map on the front page but using only about 1/3 of screen real estate.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Naptan Imports
It's so they can close an unprofitable bus route due to 'lack of usage by customers' :-) PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 24 November 2011 11:03 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Naptan Imports Hail ride can be a great idea both on a housing estate and in some rural areas. A CUS stop is not really like this. A CUS stop is a single place that a bus will stop, sometimes in an isolated place, sometimes near another stop, but without a sign to say so. I have surveyed a couple of thousand bus stops both in a city and in rural areas and the point of having a bus stop without a sign continues to escape me. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly On 24/11/11 10:27, Kev js1982 wrote: Preston bus (used?) to operate on a hail and ride basis - i.e. it would stop anywhere on the estates to pick people up and set them down - in reality this became a few set places (i.e. where the footpath was paved up to the road edge rather than having a grass verge) but still rather handy actually! the set down places still seam to be used but the pick up places are all bus stop a now (however there are more than there used to be - most installed where people used to hail and ride). Seams to be a sensible idea for a new build estate - put the paths and bus stops where the people want then! Also a couple of buses a day were extended past the terminus so there was a customary stop opposite the terminus (now signed on the route I know best as its no longer a terminus for most services!). On Nov 24, 2011 9:22 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net mailto:o...@raggedred.net wrote: Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Also, in my opinion, unmarked bus stops are a daft concept to begin with, seemingly dreamed up to make life harder than it needs to be! +1 Why would you have a stop without a sign as a deliberate strategy? It completely defies the idea of bus stops being marked as a place to wait knowing a bus will stop there. -- Cheers, Chris (osm:chillly) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Historic Features
On the other hand, Cambridge University Press and Fowlers Modern English (my personal bible) prefer -ise, as does the entire British newspaper/mass media industry. Scientific and academic publications seem to prefer -ize. So I guess the question is whether OSM wants to aspire to 'academic' credentials, or English mainstream cultural credentials. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Steve Doerr [mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2011 13:29 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Historic Features On 27/10/2011 10:57, Graham Jones wrote: I always think of Civilization being an American spelling Oh, that old chestnut! No, not at all. For verbs in -ize/-ise (and hence derived nouns in -ization/-isation), -z- has long been the preferred spelling for such scholarly British publishers as the Oxford University Press - including in the great Oxford English Dictionary (published from 1888 onwards). -- Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees
[http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 August 2011 07:25 To: Barnett, Phillip Cc: Jim Brown; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.ukmailto:phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: The OSMF had an obligation, under the UK data protection laws, to preserve the confidentiality of personal information. It would have been a breach of confidence to make it public at the time. Not so. UK Data Protection laws exist to safeguard 'personal' data. Saying that ' there has been a large number of applications for OSMF membership by people who appear to be employees of Apple ' for instance, is perfectly in order - you are not releasing any 'personal data' UNLESS you also released, say, email addresses and names of the people, which can personally identify them, perhaps to back up your assertion. Saying 'a large number of applications from CloudMade' would have been effectively the same as naming the members. You'd only need to look herehttp://web.archive.org/web/20090524055747/http://cloudmade.com/team to have a pretty good idea of who was a member. Well, this is a sideshow to the main debate, but you are still not revealing personal data, merely a fact about some or all members of a group. You are clear to do this under the UK Data Protection Act. I can say 'Most of the voting population of the UK live in this country and you can cross-refer to the UK electoral register, for names and addresses, but that doesn't mean I've released the personal details of 40 million people! In this instance, Cloudmade were releasing personal data. But since they're not under UK law, the fact that they released their own employees names and faces and email addresses is presumably between them, their employees, and the US government. HTH Phillip Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees
[http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 August 2011 10:47 To: Barnett, Phillip Cc: Jim Brown; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.ukmailto:phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.ukmailto:phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: Well, this is a sideshow to the main debate, but you are still not revealing personal data, merely a fact about some or all members of a group. You are clear to do this under the UK Data Protection Act. I can say 'Most of the voting population of the UK live in this country and you can cross-refer to the UK electoral register, for names and addresses, but that doesn't mean I've released the personal details of 40 million people! In this instance, Cloudmade were releasing personal data. But since they're not under UK law, the fact that they released their own employees names and faces and email addresses is presumably between them, their employees, and the US government. The data point that we would have been revealing is that these people were members of OSMF. Membership of an organisation is personal information and we did not want to leak that information in any form whatsoever. From the legislation guidance notes An individual is 'identified' if you have distinguished that individual from other members of a group. In most cases an individual's name together with some other information will be sufficient to identify them. http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/determining_what_is_personal_data/whatispersonaldata2.htm So if you had said that a large number of applications had been made from Apple employees, then since we have no way of knowing whether every single Apple employee, up to and including the janitor, had made an application to join, we are not be able to reverse-engineer the membership status of any individual employee, and so this is not 'personal' information but aggregate group information. And therefore the Data Protection Act doesn't come into it. Phillip Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees
David, See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/section/31 which specifically points to charities having exemption for various reasons - mostly to do with transparency of operation. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: David Earl [da...@frankieandshadow.com] Sent: 26 August 2011 12:08 To: Barnett, Phillip Cc: 80n; talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees On 26/08/2011 11:33, Barnett, Phillip wrote: From the legislation guidance notes An individual is 'identified' if you have distinguished that individual from other members of a group. In most cases an individual's name together with some other information will be sufficient to identify them. http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/determining_what_is_personal_data/whatispersonaldata2.htm So if you had said that a large number of applications had been made from Apple employees, then since we have no way of knowing whether every single Apple employee, up to and including the janitor, had made an application to join, we are not be able to reverse-engineer the membership status of any individual employee, and so this is not 'personal' information but aggregate group information. And therefore the Data Protection Act doesn't come into it. Interestingly, when we converted an organisation recently to an official Charity under UK law, the Charity Commission wanted us to make it a requirement that the full membership list (names and home addresses) was available on demand to any member who requests it. That is the default position of their model constitution for charities. This seemed to us very odd indeed, quite contrary to Data Protection principles. The CC didn't actually insist on that as a requirement of our constitution, but we queried the point with them and they basically said the organisation is the membership and if you can't show to someone that the membership exists, then the organisation doesn't exist (I paraphrase). See Part 2, sec 8.4 http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/library/guidance/gd3text.pdf David Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees
[http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: 80n [80n...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2011 20:34 To: Jim Brown Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; Ed Avis Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees The OSMF had an obligation, under the UK data protection laws, to preserve the confidentiality of personal information. It would have been a breach of confidence to make it public at the time. Not so. UK Data Protection laws exist to safeguard 'personal' data. Saying that ' there has been a large number of applications for OSMF membership by people who appear to be employees of Apple ' for instance, is perfectly in order - you are not releasing any 'personal data' UNLESS you also released, say, email addresses and names of the people, which can personally identify them, perhaps to back up your assertion. Phillip Obligatory disclaimers : IANAL, but I have read the Data Protection Act. (Which is commonly misused by people who haven't read it) All my opinions are my own, and are not necessarily shared by my employers. Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Loch Lomond National Park sorry for 'Giro Bay' map
There are no buildings there, according to the OS, and I can't see any buildings on Google Earth photos. The bay is between some wooded islands in the middle of nowhere. It's a peculiar story. There are some boats visible - maybe there are houseboats there PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 March 2011 17:47 To: Dave F. Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Loch Lomond National Park sorry for 'Giro Bay' map On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 09/03/2011 13:51, Ed Avis wrote: These maps will probably become collector's items: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12684156 Excuse my ignorance, but why would 'Giro Bay' be derogatory? It implies the people living there are unempoloyed / on benefits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giro#Cultural_significance Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping?
I don't think you can infer OS methodology from comparison of OS and Bing photographs of rivers. Rivers are not static objects - they move laterally over time, unless confined by concrete, in towns etc. In the countryside they will migrate backwards and forwards by possibly many hundreds of metres over a few decades. Compare parish boundaries with Bing imagery, you'll see inexplicable bulges in the line, where they diverge from rivers, and then rejoin downstream. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz] Sent: 09 March 2011 11:57 To: 'Talk GB' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping? At 12:32 10/02/2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Henry Gomersall [mailto:h...@cantab.net] wrote: Sent: 10 February 2011 11:07 AM To: Peter Miller Cc: Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping? On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 10:30 +, Peter Miller wrote: On reflection possibly we should use river-bank as that has more information in it, but recommend that anyone importing does a 'bridge cleanup' at the same time. This is an area I'm actually really interested in (for rural rivers) and keen to contribute. So far I've been put off by exactly this problem. Is a reasonable approach to use the OS data for river edges and then fill in the gaps (bridges etc) with OSM data? +1 If the OS vector data is only assumed to be the banks and the additional data for flow direction, bridges and other features are added from survey/BING etc then we should end up with a very functional dataset. A late response to this thread, but a word of caution. Comparing Bing imagery recently for several Yorkshire rivers with folk's riverbanks derived from OS data indicates that very frequently the OS are not tracing the riverbank as the dividing line between water (clear river channel) and land (grass, scrub) but the top of the riverbank or where the rough verge meets pasture land. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] UK, Cardiff and Edinburgh, change capital=yes to capital=4
They ARE national capitals - of Wales and Scotland respectively. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2011 10:47 To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] UK, Cardiff and Edinburgh, change capital=yes to capital=4 Sorry for writing in the international list, this is actually concerning the UK. I noticed that Cardiff and Edinburgh are tagged as capital=yes, which according to the wiki stands for national capital. I suggest to change this into capital=4 or are there any objections? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] UK, Cardiff and Edinburgh, change capital=yes to capital=4
And I was replying to your post, in which you seemed to imply that they weren't national capitals, which they are. (see definition of Nation in Wikipedia) But yes, they are subordinate to the UK. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2011 11:00 To: Barnett, Phillip Cc: osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] UK, Cardiff and Edinburgh, change capital=yes to capital=4 2011/2/4 Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk: They ARE national capitals - of Wales and Scotland respectively. yes, but I was talking about political reality. According to this page (and not only): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level they are admin_level=4 entities, while capital=yes stands for admin_level=2. cheers, Martin Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?
+1 PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 03 February 2011 10:15 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot? Peter Miller wrote: Any thoughts? Very, very sceptical. We are slowly coming out of a dismal winter and getting back into the season when we can do real surveying. That is, and always will be, OSM's strength. If a bot can fix OSM by mashing it up with OS data, it can just as easily post the result to a third-party server without interfering with OSM. There is ample evidence that imports delay, or stop, the development of a mapping community. It is not enough to say a local mapper approved it - well-intentioned but rogue local mappers can seriously foul up an area, as plenty of people here can testify. If you merely want complete, (largely) accurate OS data but with the advantages of the OSM toolset, it is trivial to process VectorMap or Meridian2 into .osm files and run your favourite OSM utilities over them. Speaking locally: If anyone were to propose running this on the West Oxfordshire/Cotswolds area I would revert it as a matter of course, _unless_ very good reasons had been agreed in advance on the oxon-cotswolds@ mailing list. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Adding-a-further-250-000-UK-roads-quickly-using-a-Bot-tp5986539p5988237.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced
Completely off-topic, but 'second world' is really a political term fallen into disuse following the end of the Cold War, and referred to the Communist bloc of nations, rather than what I guess you mean might be a degree of economic development. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: ed...@billiau.net [mailto:ed...@billiau.net] Sent: 22 January 2011 20:45 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 19:30 +, Steve Doerr wrote: Nothing official, but it would be very unusual for anybody to call something that wasn't surfaced a road. Unless they were expatriates in a third-world country? please refrain from such remarks - I suppose you think we map by snake charming while riding on elephant back? -- I considered that remark yesterday while driving at 80kmh on a well made unsurfaced road in what is probably a second-world country, although the term has never been commonly used. My rough method of deciding track or road would be: A track is made by feet or wheels and is not 'improved'. A road will have had work done on it to 'improve' the surface, for example with a grader. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Kick on IE setup
Works fine on IE8 for me at work. Apart from a consistent weird glitch when I've just switched from Edit mode to View mode - then I just get a blank screen until I select a different base layer from the + button at right. After that it's OK. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Lester Caine Sent: 08 January 2011 13:22 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Kick on IE setup Can anybody give me a kick where to look to get OSM displaying in IE8 ... I've got a 'friend of a friend' machine in which we sorted out the mess on the network side and it does now at least connect to the internet. OSM is working fine on firefox, and I'm going to suggest they simply disable IE8 anyway ... it was installing it that cause all the agro ... but even dropping back to IE6 now I'm not getting anything with OSM, yet javascript and everything else seems to be enabled correctly. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors
Their Google map (link below) puts Birmingham somewhere in the North Sea off Lowestoft! Let's hope their gunshot plotting is more accurate! PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 13 December 2010 15:41 To: 'Jeffrey Martin'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors And ShotSpotter's website confirms Birmingham as an installation location: http://www.shotspotter.com/solutions/locations.html Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Martin Sent: 13 December 2010 2:36 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I googled and found that the brand name is Secures. I also found this article with a picture. http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2009/ 12/03/NewsFeatures/Gun-Detection.Sensors.Installed.Around.City- 3845405.shtml This article says they may be disguised as vents or bird houses. http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/fs000201.pdf On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Millar wrote: Sent: 12 December 2010 5:40 PM To: Jonathan Bennett Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I don't know if this is what Birmingham is using: http://gizmodo.com/5489449/tiny-sensor-listens-for-gunshots-identifyi ng- the-gun-and-location If so, it doesn't look like verifying on the ground is going to be very practical. The area covered by the system would be more interesting if it were obtainable. The news items I saw were referring to triangulation methods so perhaps they have gone for some other system than these clever devices. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Jeffrey John Martin dogs...@gmail.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3312 - Release Date: 12/12/10 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset 6234414
It's located at 0,0 so is obviously incorrect (at least to a first casual look) ie, whatever the user was intending to map, he's accidentally dumped it in the wrong place. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Toby Murray Sent: 09 November 2010 06:04 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset 6234414 Look at the shape of the ways: http://imgur.com/47kmj.png Now look at the area that the same user edited in their next few changesets. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-49.3501728minlat=-25.5176786maxlon=-49.3216498maxlat=-25.466278box=yes I'm not sure what they were trying to do but it looks like they used the wrong projection when converting from their source to OSM so everything got shifted. The user should probably be contacted. Anyone speak Portugese? But at the end of the day I'm guessing this changeset needs to be reverted. Toby On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody have idea what it is? Seems to be large lot of untagged lines in middle of the ocean and I don't see what it could be (coral reefs? some under-sea features?). http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6234414 What should be done with similar uploads, if the ways are untagged and it is not very clear what they should be? Google translate told the summary is map made in autocad and being passed on to the OSM which isn't very explanatory about source and purpose of the data. Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] 'Vandalism' alert
Not vandalism, but misunderstanding, I believe. Still can someone revert these changesets? (Someone has already alerted him/her in the comments as to inappropriateness) From the User diaries http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/djwright7101/diary/12027#comments Hey I was wondering if anyone on here creates imaginary cities on this site and if it was okay. I am currently doing an imaginary city in realistic settings in the US in the state of Washington. Input is welcome since I am a new member. Thanks! [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%
Massive +1 (at the risk of being recursive) PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Tom Chance [...@acrewoods.net] Sent: 23 August 2010 08:55 To: Barnett, Phillip Cc: David Groom; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% On 22 August 2010 20:52, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.ukmailto:phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: Potlatch is still offering Opendata as a layer, with no warning as to the potential problem vis a vis existing contributions. Shouldn't we be dropping this rather quickly? Quite! Also, why is it on the wiki without a massive red font warning? Why did the announcement about the new terms not include a very clear line on this for all UK contributors? Why has a clear announcement about this problem not gone out on opengeodata, the announce list, this list, etc. from the OSM Foundation? I have been contributing stacks of data using the OS StreetView data on the assumption that - having been discussed, put on the wiki and into Potlatch, it was OK. Now I hear from Etienne that I might have to drop out of OpenStreetMap because my user account may not be compatible with the new terms, and that I cannot agree to those new terms with which I agree? If true, this is a bit crazy. Regards, Tom Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%
I've been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I've contributed approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include OS data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected? I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to. I'm now not touching OS data - but is it too late? Surely it's just a question of removing the 'tainted' changesets? Or, to be safe, all the changesets I've contributed since the OS data became available? [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of 80n Sent: 22 August 2010 18:41 To: David Groom Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netmailto:revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.commailto:ke...@kevinpeat.com To: Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.commailto:robert.whittaker%2b...@gmail.com; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly ODbL too. I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers (woods, streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me. It is still to be confirmed. The situation at the moment is there is no guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's. Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData to OSM you run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in the future. To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData to OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor terms. If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently stand. Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be a place where these contributions continue to be editable and available under CC-BY-SA. This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites that continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content. I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8 June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels opinion on this [2]. David Kevin [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%
Thanks 80n and David, Potlatch is still offering Opendata as a layer, with no warning as to the potential problem vis a vis existing contributions. Shouldn't we be dropping this rather quickly? Phillip -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Groom Sent: 22 August 2010 20:30 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% - Original Message - From: Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk To: '80n' 80n...@gmail.com; David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% I've been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I've contributed approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include OS data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected? I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to. I'm now not touching OS data - but is it too late? Surely it's just a question of removing the 'tainted' changesets? Or, to be safe, all the changesets I've contributed since the OS data became available? Arguably it is too late, if you take a strict interpretation of the CT's and their preamble. The preamble states you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing and future contributions. You have an 3 existing contributions (changesets) which include OS data, and so technically you cant agree to the CT's. Even if you removed the tainted changesets I would contend you are still unable to agree the CT's as the data was still had added (though subsequently removed) . Now if the preamble stated you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing (to the extent that they have not previously been removed) and future contributions, then you might be on slightly safer ground agreeing to the CT's, but even then, as the addition exists as history, and isn't technically removed from the DB then you probably would still have problems agreeing to the CT's. David [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of 80n Sent: 22 August 2010 18:41 To: David Groom Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netmailto:revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.commailto:ke...@kevinpeat.com To: Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.commailto:robert.whittaker%2b...@gmail.com; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly ODbL too. I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers (woods, streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me. It is still to be confirmed. The situation at the moment is there is no guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's. Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData to OSM you run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in the future. To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData to OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor terms. If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently stand. Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be a place where these contributions continue to be editable and available under CC-BY-SA. This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites that continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content. I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8 June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels opinion on this [2]. David Kevin [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB
Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic...
PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Avis Sent: 03 August 2010 09:01 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic... Dave F. dave...@... writes: Yes. Often in rural areas you will find local people refer to particular roads by well-known names, even though there is no street sign for them anywhere. Street nameplates are a somewhat townie concept. Indeed. From my occasional listening to the Archers (very soothing, if you don't pay attention) I understand that even fields are given locally known names. See, for instance, a database of Herefordshire field names at http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/hfn/db.php Phillip Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?
Well, the bit _I'm_ wondering about is 'Devon County'!! We're not in America It's just 'Devon' PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Guy Collins Sent: 05 July 2010 23:28 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross? When using the search box for places in Devon such as station road, crediton for example the result returned includes this: Unclassified Road Station Road, Crediton, Exeter, Devon County, Kelland Cross, England, EX17 3BU, United Kingdom The bit I wonder about is the Kelland Cross: another search now high street, exeter and the result is this: Unclassified Road High Street, Exeter, Devon County, Kelland Cross, England, EX4 3EB, United Kingdom Another search: high street, barnstaple and yes the result includes various options but always ...Devon County, Kelland Cross Kelland Cross is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.850235lon=-3.81145zoom=14layers=B000FTFTTmlat=50.84907mlon=-3.81141 Interestingly very central in Devon. I'm not sure why this occurs. The relations for Devon seem ok (the three I have looked at). Can anyone throw any light on this strangeness? Thanks Guy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Reference points for total station
Surely you need trig points? http://www.trigpointinguk.com/info/trigpoints.php They'll only get you accuracy to a few centimetres though, not millimetres. [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of John Robert Peterson Sent: 22 June 2010 21:33 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] Reference points for total station I have managed to gain access to a total station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_station) for doing a survey of a built up university campus. The goals of the project are 2 fold: 1) learn some new skills 2) get some decent data for OSM of the area. Now for anyone that doesn't know about these things, they measure angles horizontally with a very precise optical system, and use an IR range finder beam to locate a reflector prism to within millimeters. It's range is into the hundreds of meters. It has a sophisticated processing unit in it that can do some helpful maths and data storage for you. The prism is on top of a stick of measured length, with a spirit level built in, and is carried and placed by an assistant known as a stick monkey. It's well known to that that actually know what they are talking about in these circles, that positioning the stick is actually the talented part of the operation and that repeatedly pressing the green button on the box is actually less intellectually demanding. There is also a reflectorless version that I may be able to gain access to later, but that's not guaranteed. This uses lasers, and requires no stick monkey and associated gibbons. The plan is to use this for heights of buildings only. The device provides accurate 3d positions with the following caveat: it has no idea where it is, or where it's pointing until it gets reference data, this can be done in the following ways: It knows where down is via gravity; If you give it a number of calibrated reference points, it can work out where it is and where it's pointing, error control is built into this, so it needs at least 3, preferably 5 points, one of the points needs to have proper altitude; If you once get it calibrated, you can generate more calibrated reference points, meaning that you can daisy chain it off itsself; Since this is a learning process into surveying, we want to actually do it to an accuracy of a few millimeters. So the question is -- where do we get the first points from? There is one very old and well known building right in the middle of the area, and there are a number of land marks around, these may be usable, but how do I know their positions? There are also a number of distant landmarks in the area, but most would be too far away to use effectively, I dont' think the machine has the ability to take points only as distant points with no distance, though I do have access to the raw data, and would happily do the maths myself. Thanks, JR Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
Harlow to Stansted is still 'under development' according to Sustrans http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network/route-numbering-system/route-11 PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 08 March 2010 11:38 To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps Does anyone know what happens to ncn11 south of Stansted Mountfitchet? I mapped it through to there a few months ago and then went back to take it further but couldn't find it on the ground. I'd assumed it followed the Lea valley maybe via Bishops Stortford and Harlow, but the signs just seem to stop at Stansted Mountfitchet station (that's the village not the airport). David On 8 Mar 2010, at 10:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Hi all, OSM's National Cycle Network coverage is astounding and one of the reasons why everyone loves OpenCycleMap. With the sun finally emerging once again (yay) we've got the chance to fill some of the gaps and make it really useful. Anna and I went out on Saturday to map a recently opened section of National Route 45 (south of Worcester), and it occurred to me that a few afternoons like that would complete coverage of several high-profile routes. So I had a look at the map and have identified a few that could be ticked off in an afternoon by nearby mappers. Obviously, some are already in hand - Gregory W cycled most of NCN 1 last year, for example, and I've got a few planned for this year. == South == - *To complete NCN 3*: St Austell to Truro is only partly mapped - *To complete NCN 4*: Tiny little section in north Bristol (near Catbrain!) needs doing == Midlands == - *To complete Great Central Cycle Ride*: missing section through Daventry == Wales == - *To complete Lon Teifi*: NCN 82 from Cardigan to Fishguard == North == - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! - *To complete the Pennine Cycleway*: NCN 68's alternative route via Burnley and the Leeds Liverpool canal towpath is only partly mapped. - *The new Way of the Roses*: a coast-to-coast route being launched this year, roughly Morecambe-Settle-Harrogate-York-Bridlington. East of York it's fully mapped. Morecambe to York is not yet fully signed. But it'd be great to have it mapped on OSM at launch. - Hadrian's Cycleway (NCN 72) and the Reivers Route (NCN 10) could be completed with a little effort. A few gaps around Sheffield could also be completed fairly easily. Any takers? Or any other gaps in big routes that people have spotted? cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Photo_mapping - How to put EXIF data into a jpg image
GPS time is now 15 secs ahead of UTC, due to ignoring leap seconds implemented since 1980. See http://leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: 21 February 2010 20:18 To: Jochen Plumeyer Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Photo_mapping - How to put EXIF data into a jpg image On 22 February 2010 06:10, Jochen Plumeyer joc...@plumeyer.org wrote: Be aware of your time zone (and daylight savings timezone as well) of your camera, as GPX times are all in lon=0°/ Greenwich/ UTC/ Zulu time. Actually they are in GPS time, and have an offset in seconds from UTC embedded in the signal. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vegetation page
To be fair, 'village green' has an explicit definition in English law, which is presumably why whoever originally defined it put the word 'English' in. Agreed, that it doesn't have to be in a village, but can be in (or, indeed, outside) any sized population centre. See http://www.oss.org.uk/village-greens/ where the precise legal definition in England and Wales is given. Basically, any land which has been openly used by local people for recreation for twenty years without objection can be registered as common land in perpetuity, and so protected from development. [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Martin Fossdal Guttesen Sent: 03 December 2009 01:42 To: Steve Bennett Cc: talk openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Vegetation page i wrote before landusewlmailhtml:%7b46D6D967-B718-448E-85BE-E44A8D8A0FF7%7dmid://1562/!x-usc:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse=village_greenwlmailhtml:%7b46D6D967-B718-448E-85BE-E44A8D8A0FF7%7dmid://1562/!x-usc:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green An open area of grass in the centre of an English village. and Peter Kõrner wrote An as a foreign national my thoughts were And I thought OSM was an international project... what i ment was that there is nothing wrong with the tag, just the descritption of it the descriptin is extreemly explicit it says that this tag can only be used in an village and it has to be an egnlish village and it also has to be in the center of the vilage From: Steve Bennettmailto:stevag...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:09 AM To: Open Street Map mailing listmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Vegetation page I think I might write up some cross-cutting wiki pages like vegetation, pointing people in the right directions for the subtle distinctions between natural= and landuse= etc. Ok, I did it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vegetation Lots of common bush/tree words link there. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
They are using OSM data. If you look at Cambridge, UK, for instance, you'll see the entry for Kettles Yard and The Junction have both been credited to OSM. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 18 November 2009 12:10 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use
Link here, sorry http://publicearth.com/places/arts-and-cultural-centers/kettles-yard-gallery PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Barnett, Phillip Sent: 18 November 2009 14:34 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: RE: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use They are using OSM data. If you look at Cambridge, UK, for instance, you'll see the entry for Kettles Yard and The Junction have both been credited to OSM. -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 18 November 2009 12:10 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PublicEarth and their Terms of Use Hi, Tim Waters wrote: Then there's the nice issue of making a database from users identifying locations based on Google Maps. You mean that issue nobody except OSM seems to care about ;-) If they'd be using OSM, would they have to CC-BY-SA all their data? [Is that why the aren't?] I don't think the business will fly but it's worth a try. It's one of these things that I'd never attempt because I'd think it is so obvious how I'm trying to siphon off community knowledge and not let the community use that knowledge - but quite a few businesses thrive on that and I can literally hear armies of PublicEarth fanboys cry out how cool is that!. Bet they have some kind of iPhone app to go along with it. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Randomly disappearing streets
Shaun, Bev did say , 'was there; now isn't' and 'have gone' which would imply to me that it has been removed, rather than, 'remains to be surveyed' See the title of the OP Regards PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Shaun McDonald Sent: 22 October 2009 14:39 To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: osm-talk Talk; Bev M Ewen-Smith Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Randomly disappearing streets Hi Bev, Rather I didn't read below the Regards Bev anticipating that it would have just been some form of signature or disclaimer. My apologies. On the first example, it looks like the area hasn't been fully surveyed, and needs some surveying. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.17683lon=-0.27433zoom=16layers=000BFTF On your second example of Wirral, it looks like the area needs to be surveyed, as pretty much none of the roads in the area are named. I couldn't get that street from the history. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.38785lon=-3.09068zoom=15layers=000BFTF Shaun On 22 Oct 2009, at 14:19, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Shaun, You mean the examples Bev gave aren't good enough? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Shaun McDonald Sent: 22 October 2009 2:13 PM To: Bev M Ewen-Smith Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Randomly disappearing streets Hi, Do you have some examples? Shaun On 22 Oct 2009, at 14:00, Bev M Ewen-Smith wrote: Hi, I am getting reports from users looking at OSM in different towns in UK, of randomly disappearing streets. Is there some mischief afoot? Regards Bev Examples: Sands Road, Gap Road and Gap Crescent in the area of Hunmanby Gap (YO14 9QP) have gone. Lat/Long is N54 10.3700, W000 16.0900. Concordia Avenue, Wirral (CH49 6JD) was there; now isn't. LatLon 53.3877,-3.0919 Neighbouring streets all still present. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] UK rights of way coverage map
I believe the lucky Scots are allowed to walk in open countryside anywhere they choose, so long as they do it with responsibility. So no need for 'rights of way' PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Chris Fleming Sent: 21 October 2009 16:41 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UK rights of way coverage map On 21/10/09 12:35, Nick Whitelegg wrote: An unintended consequence of the First Edition/OSM mashup (see earlier post) is that I have an image of rights of way coverage of the UK in OSM. See http://www.free-map.org.uk/images/tiles2/firsted/5/15/10.png Clearly shows we need more countryside mappers in the east, southwest and Wales! I like. What's the story for Scotland? It seems distinctly uncovered by any rights of way? Cheers Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Inaccurate Sea Boundary of England
I believe Holland has that honour. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Avis Sent: 15 October 2009 11:02 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Inaccurate Sea Boundary of England Ed Loach e...@... writes: As only Sealand recognise Sealand and no UN member does (from the wiki article you quote), I can't see the claim that the sea boundary of England is wrong can be justified. Who would have expected an edit war in the English Channel? Anyway, are we having a mapping party out to it to map it? If so there is the possibility that Sealand might become the first nation to be fully mapped on OSM... -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)
Yes, I thought you were probably working along those lines, but I thought the quote I dug up was worth repeating, as it bears directly on the central point of the argument. Re - erratic copyright notation - Crown copyright changed emphasis with the 1956 Crown Copyright Act, so I guess they got more pro-active about putting dates on round about then. That's just a guess though - perhaps the Charles Close Society could tell us more. They also seemed very uncertain about all the styles of the 1:25000 maps during that period, changing formats every few years, so it's probably all part of that. Bear in mind that they intended the range to be resurveyed fairly quickly as they were only done from old surveys anyway - so they probably assumed there wouldn't be any major reworking so the first publish date would suffice. Happy for you to lead the way here. OK, I'll try this angle with them and see where we get to. Cheers From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 14 October 2009 00:45 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) Phillip, That's where I was coming from and specifically why I quoted the examples I did. I certainly think its worth an appeal (but perhaps discussion with them first) in line with what you say. I don't really know why the 1:25 first services was so hit and miss with a printed (c). very few have them (mostly a few in the 1950's). All the early editions just have the format as per my examples but without the revision. Incidentally the vast majority of these maps only have minor changes or minor corrections. Just a handful have major changes. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Barnett, Phillip Sent: 13 October 2009 6:00 PM To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) Andy, Crown copyright maps, and books, are reprinted all the time. Copyright dates stay the same, generally. The crux point is what triggers a new copyright date. Guidance notes from the OPSI - A new edition of a published work which contains substantial revisions would normally qualify as a new copyright work. For example, if a department first published a document in 1997 and subsequently revised and reissued it in 2004, the notice in the revised version would indicate the copyright date of 2004, although it would be customary - and helpful - to state that an earlier version had been issued in 1997. A reprint or new impression without any substantial changes to the text would not constitute a new copyright work. The last sentence is the important one - of the examples that you sent to them below, all explicitly claim 'minor' changes to the work, and so the OPSI guidelines indicate that no copyright date change would be the case, which is presumably why the maps were never printed with a revised copyright date in the first place. 'Reprinted with minor corrections 1960' 'Reprinted with minor changes 1963.' 'Reprinted with the addition of new major roads 1967.' - this one is possibly debateable as it contains the word 'major' - substitute 'A roads' for 'major roads' and I contend it qualifies as minor changes. So the situation should be - A map published with a (c) date means the (c) date applies and if no (c) date printed then the FIRST publication date on the sheet applies. And we have plenty of examples collected of where the revision date is later than the explicitly printed copyright date, which rather proves my point. (eg my copy of SO13, Talgarth, (c) 1951, major road revisions 1976) Now, who's going to take this up with Tony Gray? (I'm happy to argue the point, if you don't mind my quoting your correspondence. Otherwise I'll just point him to the OPSI guidance) Cheers Phillip -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 13 October 2009 15:59 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) I'm comfortable that the OS has spoken. A map published with a (c) date means the (c) date applies and if no (c) date printed then the last publication date on the sheet applies. At least we have a basis to move on though I think we could still appeal this latest FOIA response. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Barnett, Phillip Sent: 13 October 2009 3:47 PM To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)
Doesn't this appear to contradict the advice given to Tim SC here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:TimSC/CopyrightFOI PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 13 October 2009 15:33 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) As I suspected the OS has taken a hard line with respect to copyright and publication date. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Customer Services [mailto:customerservi...@ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: 13 October 2009 2:10 PM To: blackadder...@googlemail.com Subject: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) Dear Mr Robinson Ordnance Survey reference: 72267 Thank you for your email dated 30 September 2009 requesting: seeking clarification regarding Crown Copyright status for those Ordnance Survey map sheets which do not carry a specific Crown Copyright (c) date. Please provide confirmation of the date when, for the following hard copy printed map sheet examples, Crown Copyright expired or will expire. Example 1: 1:25,000 First Series. Sheet SU93. Print edition C//. Made and published by the Director General of the Ordnance Survey, Chessington, Surrey, 1948. Reprinted with minor corrections 1960. Example 2: 1:25,000 First Series. Sheet NY21. Print edition C//. Made and published by the Director General of the Ordnance Survey, Chessington, Surrey, 1956. Reprinted with minor changes 1963. Example 3: 1:25,000 First Series. Sheet SO98. Print edition B///*. Made and published by the Director General of the Ordnance Survey, Chessington, Surrey, 1953. Reprinted with the addition of new major roads 1967. We are pleased to provide you with the following information with regard to your request. Crown copyright is retained for 50 years from the end of the year in which the last date of publication on, in this instance, an Ordnance Survey map is stated. In the examples provided this means for example 1, from 31 December 1960 until the end of 2010; example 2 from 31 December 1963 until the end of 2013; and example 3 from 31 December 1967 until the end of 2017. Please note that your enquiry has been processed to Freedom of Information guidelines, though technically this request does not qualify under the FOIA as this is not information which is held. As this is the case, we have determined that in all the circumstances of this case the Public interest consideration (section 17 FOIA) is not applicable in this instance. If you are unhappy with our response, you may raise an appeal to our Appeals Officer at: Complaints Team Customer Service Centre Ordnance Survey Romsey Road SOUTHAMPTON SO16 4GU Please include the reference number above. The Appeals Officer will ensure that the process has been followed correctly, questioning any decisions taken regarding the original response and recommending disclosure of additional information if appropriate. Thank you for your enquiry. Yours sincerely Tony Gray Information Access Manager (Freedom of Information) Ordnance Survey C454, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU Phone: +44 (0)8456 05 05 05 Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2615 www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk customerservi...@ordnancesurvey.co.uk This email is only intended for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this email which must not be copied, distributed or disclosed to any other person. Unless stated otherwise, the contents of this email are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of Ordnance Survey. Nor can any contract be formed on Ordnance Survey's behalf via email. We reserve the right to monitor emails and attachments without prior notice. Thank you for your cooperation. Ordnance Survey Romsey Road Southampton SO16 4GU Tel: 08456 050505 http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267)
Andy, Crown copyright maps, and books, are reprinted all the time. Copyright dates stay the same, generally. The crux point is what triggers a new copyright date. Guidance notes from the OPSI - A new edition of a published work which contains substantial revisions would normally qualify as a new copyright work. For example, if a department first published a document in 1997 and subsequently revised and reissued it in 2004, the notice in the revised version would indicate the copyright date of 2004, although it would be customary - and helpful - to state that an earlier version had been issued in 1997. A reprint or new impression without any substantial changes to the text would not constitute a new copyright work. The last sentence is the important one - of the examples that you sent to them below, all explicitly claim 'minor' changes to the work, and so the OPSI guidelines indicate that no copyright date change would be the case, which is presumably why the maps were never printed with a revised copyright date in the first place. 'Reprinted with minor corrections 1960' 'Reprinted with minor changes 1963.' 'Reprinted with the addition of new major roads 1967.' - this one is possibly debateable as it contains the word 'major' - substitute 'A roads' for 'major roads' and I contend it qualifies as minor changes. So the situation should be - A map published with a (c) date means the (c) date applies and if no (c) date printed then the FIRST publication date on the sheet applies. And we have plenty of examples collected of where the revision date is later than the explicitly printed copyright date, which rather proves my point. (eg my copy of SO13, Talgarth, (c) 1951, major road revisions 1976) Now, who's going to take this up with Tony Gray? (I'm happy to argue the point, if you don't mind my quoting your correspondence. Otherwise I'll just point him to the OPSI guidance) Cheers Phillip -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 13 October 2009 15:59 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) I'm comfortable that the OS has spoken. A map published with a (c) date means the (c) date applies and if no (c) date printed then the last publication date on the sheet applies. At least we have a basis to move on though I think we could still appeal this latest FOIA response. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Barnett, Phillip Sent: 13 October 2009 3:47 PM To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) Doesn't this appear to contradict the advice given to Tim SC here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:TimSC/CopyrightFOI PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:legal-talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 13 October 2009 15:33 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) As I suspected the OS has taken a hard line with respect to copyright and publication date. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Customer Services [mailto:customerservi...@ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: 13 October 2009 2:10 PM To: blackadder...@googlemail.com Subject: Crown copyright dates ( OS Reference 72267) Dear Mr Robinson Ordnance Survey reference: 72267 Thank you for your email dated 30 September 2009 requesting: seeking clarification regarding Crown Copyright status for those Ordnance Survey map sheets which do not carry a specific Crown Copyright (c) date. Please provide confirmation of the date when, for the following hard copy printed map sheet examples, Crown Copyright expired or will expire. Example 1: 1:25,000 First Series. Sheet SU93. Print edition C//. Made and published by the Director General of the Ordnance Survey, Chessington, Surrey, 1948. Reprinted with minor corrections 1960. Example 2: 1:25,000 First Series. Sheet NY21. Print edition C//. Made and published by the Director General of the Ordnance Survey, Chessington, Surrey, 1956. Reprinted with minor changes 1963. Example 3: 1:25,000 First Series. Sheet SO98. Print edition B///*. Made and published by the Director General of the Ordnance Survey, Chessington, Surrey, 1953. Reprinted with the addition of new major roads 1967. We are pleased to provide you with the following information with regard to your request. Crown
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data
Sadly, the 'Report a problem' link only seems to apply to the USA. If you pan across to the UK, say, it doesn't appear. [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ian Dees Sent: 07 October 2009 18:24 To: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.commailto:ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/10/your-world-your-map.html Looks like they've imported the NHD and USGS data sets (I thought they already had), making their tiles look a lot fuller. Interesting! Yipes, sent too soon. They've also added a report a problem link in the lower right corner of their maps. If I could figure out a way to report it, I would tell them that there might not be a state park running through the middle of Minneapolis: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=sll=44.983256,-93.250151sspn=0.040675,0.064373ie=UTF8hq=hnear=ll=44.983256,-93.250151spn=0.040675,0.064373z=14 Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS
Hmm. I've been happily using it for the past couple of years, on my Garmin Legend Cx. I can get about 2m stated accuracy when it's working. Though you're right - it's just been officially announced Ready for Use. And it's not the new Euro GPS system - that's Galileo. It's an accuracy augmenter (put badly, but you know what I mean) You need to switch it on in the options - look for something about WAIS or differential GPS. You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. You'll only have access if you have a clear view of certain geostationary satellites, so it won't always be there. No - there's no reason you can't use it for OSM. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Childs Sent: 05 October 2009 15:15 To: OSM-Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] EGNOS I'm sure EGNOS is something else other than the new Euro GPS system, but I can't for the life of me remember what, something to do with food and Christmas rings a bell but I can't think what. Anyway so EGNOS is now available for use. So what new things can we do with this new available accuracy, and which devices are EGNOS compatible Oh and is it going to achieve what they way it will or is it going to be a bit of a flop. Oh and I spose the best question If I have an EGNOS GPS can I actual use the data on OSM or is there some copyright stopping me. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS
You're thinking of eggnog - assuming you weren't joking. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Childs Sent: 05 October 2009 15:15 To: OSM-Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] EGNOS I'm sure EGNOS is something else other than the new Euro GPS system, but I can't for the life of me remember what, something to do with food and Christmas rings a bell but I can't think what. Anyway so EGNOS is now available for use. So what new things can we do with this new available accuracy, and which devices are EGNOS compatible Oh and is it going to achieve what they way it will or is it going to be a bit of a flop. Oh and I spose the best question If I have an EGNOS GPS can I actual use the data on OSM or is there some copyright stopping me. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS
Yes, I get it sometimes. I guess the GPS receiver is trying to tell you that you are picking up the geostationary satellite that's transmitting corrections, and that IF you were picking up a GPS satellite that is theoretically available according to the downloaded ephemeris (but you're not actually picking up because of trees etc) then you'd be getting differential measurements off it. That's just a guess - it's a while since I looked at this last so my memory may be wrong. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Dave F. Sent: 05 October 2009 16:05 Cc: OSM-Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS Barnett, Phillip wrote: You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. Is that correct? I sometimes get the D's displaying even if I have no reception (no bar showing). I've got a Garmin GPSmap 60C. Any body else get that quirk? Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS
Strictly true, but effectively they're the same, except for the delivery mechanism for broadcasting differential corrections - groundbased UHF radio for DGPS and geostationary satellite broadcast for WAAS/EGNOS. The D symbol just shows that differential readings are being received. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: 05 October 2009 17:32 To: Dave F. Cc: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS 2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/10/5 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Barnett, Phillip wrote: You can tell when it's working as some of the satellite reception bars will have a capital D above them. Is that correct? I sometimes get the D's displaying even if I have no reception (no bar showing). I've got a Garmin GPSmap 60C. Any body else get that quirk? this unit (60 C) supports DGPS according to Garmin manual (DGPS is not available in later GPSs like 60CSx). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought DGPS was superseded by WAAS. The software has a WAAS enabled option, but they just didn't update the D to a W. don't know what superseded means, but DGPS is not WAAS/EGNOS. Read Wikipedia for more info. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
+1 The 'definitive statement' is the only thing from the local authority that we can really use, but that is surprisingly detailed. Here's an example of a path modification in Cambridgeshire The above Order made on 30 May 2006, if confirmed as made, will modify the Definitive Map and Statement for the area by adding to them two public footpaths. The first (No. 26) starts on the southern side of Stetchworth Road, passes through a field gate at Ordnance Survey Grid Reference TL6340 5783 (point A) and runs as a grassed path in a southerly direction on the eastern side of a mature hedge for approximately 283m to OS GR TL6344 5755 (point B), then turns to run in a westerly direction for approximately 220m as a grassed path on the southern side of a ditch and hedge to join Public Footpath No.6, Dullingham through a field gate at OS GR TL6323 5752 (point C). The width is 2m from A-B and 1m from B-C. The second (No. 27) starts at a point on Public Footpath No.26 Dullingham at OS GR TL6344 5755 (point B), and runs through a field gate, continuing as a grass path in an easterly, southerly and then easterly direction for approximately 320m around the western and southern edges of the properties at Dullingham Ley to join Ley Road at OS GR TL6370 5749 (point D). The width is 1m. Phillip [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16 To: 'Dave F.' Cc: 'OSM Talk' Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright? It does seem that what is needed here is not the definitive map but rather the survey data the two surveyors gathered. As others have said if that data has been overlain onto an OS map there is no way of knowing what is derived and what is not. Not unless the bod from the council is prepared to stick their neck out and confirm otherwise. As a result the OS would take issue because their data forms part of the definitive map. Cheers Andy From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Dave F. Sent: 25 September 2009 3:16 PM Cc: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright? Tom Hughes wrote: On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote: The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay, but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info. eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce the definitive maps. Do you know for absolute certainty that every single detail was gathered from first principles like that? If it was then it is a very unusual bit of local council mapping as they are not generally that scrupulously careful... Well... not every detail, no, but there was a report in the local newspaper: Two surveyors will be walking virtually every one of the 560 miles of footpath in the area. And also in the Council produced pamphlet where two people were shown holding their very nice big yellow GPS units. Isn't every council having to do the same to produce their Definitive Maps? The reason of course is that they have a license to do what they like with OS data so it largely doesn't matter to them whether they derive things from it (well at least until they try and overlay that data on a google map and get nastygrams from the OS). Tom Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attribution of data for use on TV
Hi, Frederik Ramm schrieb: where a guy from a TV broadcaster inquired about using the Baghdad map on-air. That guy was me :-) We never used the map in the end - we're a news broadcaster so didn't have time to thrash through the legalities on that day. I think I'm speaking for the majority of contributors when I say that having the credits in the credits roll at the end of a TV production is perfectly all right (that's the usual place for credits in that medium) but the responsiblity rests with you, or the broadcaster, in the end. As a further datum point, the map generation system we use at the moment, Curious maps from Viz systems (http://www.vizrt.com/products/article231.ece) is pretty standard in broadcasting, and uses datasets from a variety of sources, public domain and private. USGS and NASA for long range views, Microsoft Virtual Earth for close-ups. In this case, the Virtual Earth logo is displayed reasonably prominently onscreen, overlaying the graphics, rather than in the credits at the end of the program. Nobody seems bothered about that as a requirement. ie, it doesn't annoy anybody, so it seems fair to expect similar prominence for OSM data. Although it's just occurred to me that Microsoft license their data from someone else (TeleAtlas?) so I'm surprised they get the onscreen credit, rather than the original supplier. Regards Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder/broken?
It's doing an immediate meta-refresh to itself for some reason. meta http-equiv=refresh content=0;url=http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder; Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 31 August 2009 09:48 To: Lambertus Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder/ broken? Something weird has gone wrong - I've not made any changes to it. I'm looking at the problem. David On 31/08/2009 09:34, Lambertus wrote: My routing website also has a broken namefinder connection: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN htmlhead title404 Not Found/title /headbody h1Not Found/h1 pThe requested URL /namefinder/search.xml was not found on this server./p hr addressApache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.1.2 Server at gazetteer.openstreetmap.org Port 80/address /body/html What's going on? Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. wrote: what's wrong with: http://gazetteer.openstreetmap.org/namefinder ?? I only get a continous reload. Marco ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Coverage figures for Scotland and Wales
Anglesey's anomalous figures are due, I believe, to the systematic tracing of the NPE map layer across the entire island by user Paul Todd last year. This includes all the farm tracks, which have been tagged highway=unclassified, and this has undoubtedly skewed the results. Obviously 99% of these are not actually verified and IMO should have been classified highway=track, access=private anyway. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Reed [peter.r...@aligre.co.uk] Sent: 21 August 2009 09:18 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Coverage figures for Scotland and Wales Name |Coverage ---+--- Isle of Anglesey | 124% Gwynedd | 71% Conwy and Denbighshire| 54% South West Wales | 60% Central Valleys | 43% Gwent Valleys | 35% Bridgend and Neath Port Talbot| 65% Swansea | 77% Monmouthshire and Newport | 72% Cardiff and Vale of Glamorgan | 79% Flintshire and Wrexham| 87% Powys | 50% Angus and Dundee City | 56% Clackmannanshire and Fife | 51% East Lothian and Midlothian | 65% Scottish Borders | 60% Edinburgh, City of| 99% Falkirk | 55% Perth Kinross and Stirling | 66% West Lothian | 64% East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire and Helensburgh Lomond | 66% Dumfries Galloway | 51% East Ayrshire and North Ayrshire mainland | 42% Glasgow City | 86% Inverclyde, East Renfrewshire and Renfrewshire| 70% North Lanarkshire | 55% South Ayrshire| 48% South Lanarkshire | 58% Aberdeen City and Aberdeenshire | 46% Caithness Sutherland and Ross Cromarty| 64% * Inverness Nairn and Moray, Badenoch Strathspey| 64% * Lochaber, Skye Lochalsh, Arran Cumbrae and Argyll Bute | 64% * Eilean Siar (Western Isles) | 67% Orkney Islands| 29% Shetland Islands | 48* (*) = Average across three regions Coverage = (length of roads plotted in OSM across the region) / (DfT figures for the length of road in the local authorities that make up the region) Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Cambridge reversion needed
There appears to be some accidental damage in Cambridge - a whole bunch of tea rooms etc have moved into the Backs ( open marshy green spaces to the West of the town. All appear to be from the same changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2049927 created by a new user, AliP, who was registered 4 days ago. Can someone revert this quickly before it gets more complicated? Apologies, but I'm at work so can't actually spare the time to work out how to fix this myself... [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Cambridge reversion needed
Make that location Coe Fen, not The Backs, sorry. From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Barnett, Phillip Sent: 10 August 2009 17:52 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Cambridge reversion needed There appears to be some accidental damage in Cambridge - a whole bunch of tea rooms etc have moved into the Backs ( open marshy green spaces to the West of the town. All appear to be from the same changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2049927 created by a new user, AliP, who was registered 4 days ago. Can someone revert this quickly before it gets more complicated? Apologies, but I'm at work so can't actually spare the time to work out how to fix this myself... [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Tests in the Antarctica?
The polar bears ate them all. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Grant Slater Sent: 21 July 2009 21:52 To: John Smith Cc: osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tests in the Antarctica? 2009/7/20 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: Not many polar bears in Antarctica either :) And not many penguins in the North Pole / Arctic. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...
+1 I believe the real problem was in the original creation of the tag, landuse = forest. This should, in my opinion, have been landuse = forestry, which would then have enabled the natural = wood tag to be used at the same time, or even natural = forest Also, from Wikipedia, A forest is an area with a high density of trees Forests are differentiated from woodlands by the extent of canopy coverage: in a forest, the branches and the foliage of separate trees often meet or interlock, although there can be gaps of varying sizes within an area referred to as forest. A woodland has a more continuously open canopy, with trees spaced further apart, which allows more sunlight to penetrate to the ground between them. Cheers PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Tom Chance Sent: 20 July 2009 15:43 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ... So putting to one side arguments about the inherent value of trees, British arboreal imperialism and Xybot tricks... Why do we care if something is a wood or a forest? Why do we care whether or not it's managed, and whether we all have the same sense of what managed means? Back in the good old days of stream vs river there was a clear need for maps to distinguish between them. We now have a nice range of water features from riverbank and river to stream and drain. Surely the basic, universal need is there are some trees here, they're called Sherwood Forest? Evoke natural=wood (lakes and beaches also fall in between managed and unmanaged land but are marked as natural) In addition you can add in: * type=deciduous (so we can all see what sorts of trees to expect) * landuse=forestry (so we know if it's managed for commercial reasons) I'd really like to nominate someone like Nick Whitelegg as Countryside Tsar for a day, so he could work out the different basic features we need to know about in the countryside and an appropriate tagging schema. Then, as always, a combination of wiki documentation, Mapnik ti...@home rules, Xybot mischief and peer education could disseminate this sensible approach. Every time I try to map a walk up a hill I get depressed by the lack of comprehensible tags supported by renderers to get the map anywhere near as useful as Ordnance Survey. Regards, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Counties and coasts
I'd assume that only the bottom part of the pier is below highwater mark, otherwise the aforesaid shops would get wet twice a day. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Childs Sent: 22 June 2009 15:59 Cc: Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Counties and coasts 2009/6/22 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: The Essex one I traced from the dotted line on NPE. I'm not sure about 12 miles for county boundaries - I don't think Essex would want to have to maintain it's own navy to repel Suffolk encroachers for example. Having said that, I think I read somewhere that UK beaches below the high water mark are Crown property, so perhaps the county councils just look after them for the Queen? Yes but what about the pier (which sticks into the sea) and is therefore below the high water mark, Full of shops and licensed premises. If Essex is worried about invasion from Sussex, We'll send a force in from Kent. Peter. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] 500 Internal Server Error
Getting problems accessing www.openstreetmap.org PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again
I believe Richard did the rectification for Potlatch and claims it to be better
than JOSM's. ('Claim' seems slightly loaded but despite being a native English
speaker I can't think of a more accurate word to describe a statement I believe
to be true but have no immediate way of verifying)
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Sent: 13 January 2009 13:41
To: 'Mike Harris'
Cc: 'OSM-Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again
Mike wrote:
Also - for what it's worth - I find that I use both Potlatch
and JOSM but
for different tasks. I use JOSM as my main editor and for doing
bulk work on
new routes. I find Potlatch is better for doing minor tweaks
and also for
Yahoo tracing (even with the JOSM plugins, the rectification
seems better on
Potlatch - or am I just imagining this?!).
Same here. JOSM for main editing when I've uploaded new traces.
Potlatch for minor tweaks and Yahoo tracing. Although I have taken
to then loading any area where I've Yahoo traced buildings back into
JOSM to use the Orthogonalize facility.
I've not been able to get the Yahoo JOSM plugin working for a while,
but gave up trying as I too felt the rectification always seemed
better in Potlatch.
Ed
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Re: [OSM-talk] Link to the map legend
Key. Definitely. :-( Actually, plain 'Key' rather than 'map key' in my experience. But I would understand legend. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Detlef Reichl Sent: 01 January 2009 21:46 To: OSM Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] Link to the map legend Hi, on the talk-de list we are talking about the OSM main page and in particular about the link to the map legend. It is named Map key, a for most German users uncommon word. The English word legend would much better correspond to the German Legende, what would help at least users in Germany. Before I request to change this link, I like to here from native English speakers what's the most common word for a map legend in English. Cheers, detlef Btw. are there any attempts to i18n the main OSM page? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch
Yes, it looks a little 'out' to me also, but it's not my area, I just happened to notice a double label in that area and looked more closely. Maybe the roads were traced from the 'out of copyright map' layer, or from GPS traces, but the river from the Yahoo images? I've certainly noticed that the registration of the image layers is not quite accurate, and seems to vary depending on geographical location. I believe there's been discussion about this in the past, possibly on the wiki also. I always do roads from my own GPS traces, and I always throw away traces that don't have an accuracy below 15 ft (about the width of a road. Obviously rivers and other areas need Yahoo imagery. When looking at Yahoo images I can see the entire Yahoo image shifted a little bit - I try to offset the rivers etc by hand according to the offset I can see with respect to the roads. Cheers PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2008 00:04 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch On Monday 27 October 2008 12:25:25 am Barnett, Phillip wrote: Way number 8184385, which is a previously unwayed segment called Duckett Road underlying a properly wayed road of the same name, at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.579649lon=-0.101266zoom=18layers=B0 00FTF slightly off-topic, but looking at this I find the roads do not appear to coincide with the satellite image, although the river does - is this common in your area - or is something wrong with my screen? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch
I seem to have found a zombie way - every time I delete it in Potlatch it reappears 30 secs later. I've done this four or five times now. Any ideas? Way number 8184385, which is a previously unwayed segment called Duckett Road underlying a properly wayed road of the same name, at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.579649lon=-0.101266zoom=18layers=B000FTF [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch
Weird. The history shows no trace whatsoever of my five attempts to delete it (and yes, I moved off the way and selected another to make sure changes were uploaded) Maybe I lost upstream connection to the OSM server at that time...? From: sergio sevillano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 October 2008 20:34 To: Shaun McDonald Cc: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; Barnett, Phillip; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch then is me, who deleted it finally. As requested by phillip (it worked with potlach)... Shaun McDonald escribió: The history shows that it has been deleted. http://openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8184385/history It is one of the ways that xybot has touched. Interestingly prior to xybot touching it, there was a tag without a key nor value. Shaun On 26 Oct 2008, at 20:03, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hi. I can't see it from JOSM (08:00 pm London time). I don't think it's in the database. cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Barnett, Phillip Enviado el: dom 26/10/2008 19:55 Para: talk@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch I seem to have found a zombie way - every time I delete it in Potlatch it reappears 30 secs later. I've done this four or five times now. Any ideas? Way number 8184385, which is a previously unwayed segment called Duckett Road underlying a properly wayed road of the same name, athttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.579649lon=-0.101266zoom=18layers=B000FTF [%20] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://www.itn.co.uk/ P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.orgmailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?
http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/ +1 from me. Works perfectly in my Garmin Legend CX, and calculates routes in sane timescales - circa 10-15 secs or so. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maning sambale Sent: 21 October 2008 08:25 To: Mark Williams Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data? Do you actually have that working? I use mkgmap-r659 a Garmin Vista (HCx) and I see no routing - it insists on using the base map. I did see a mention of this some time back, but assumed it was 'coming' - it certainly hasn't made it to my setup! I use Garmin img from http://emexes.powweb.com/osm/ routing is supported. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- |-|--| | __.-._ |Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great. -Yoda | | '-._7' |Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com| | _)_/LI |-|--| ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments
PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: 16 October 2008 14:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no edit link on the top of the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License Sign in (or register) and then there will be an edit button! That should be mentioned on the page, because it's different to other MediaWikis. Actually it's the same as every other MediaWiki, unless you permit anonymous editing. Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] vandolism on OSM
PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederik Ramm Sent: 03 October 2008 11:25 To: vegard Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] vandolism on OSM Hi, vegard wrote: But we'll need a more permanent measure against vandalism. Something that'll make it easy to reverse things. But note that our most potent weapon against vandalism is the ease and speed with which it can be undone. Frederick, That's only the case for OBVIOUS vandalism or accident, as in the OP, that can be seen in a casual 'fly-over' the map. What about subtle vandalism (renaming random streets, changing one-way directions etc) Even in areas that I have personally mapped, I doubt that I'd be able to tell at a glance that this had happened without digging out my original notes and comparing street by street(in effect, remapping the area) which I wouldn't do without a huge visual clue. Cheers Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Loading img file onto Garmin 60 CSx
Did you call the file 'gmapsupp.img' ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Map_On_Garmin#Steps PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ebling Sent: 03 October 2008 21:04 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Loading img file onto Garmin 60 CSx I'm having trouble loading a map file onto a Garmin 60CSx for a relative. I've made a file using mkgmap, and loaded it onto the memory card in a folder called Garmin and placing it into it using a card reader. I put the card into the GPS, but it doesn't seem to recognise it as a map. I tried using the USB mass storage mode, and could see the map file in the Garmin file, as it should be according to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mkgmap#Installing Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] NPE waterways
From my local knowledge of some parts of Wales, I'd agree strongly that NPE names are _frequently_ incorrect compared with modern labelling of towns/villages and other features, and are hence Not To Be Trusted Eg The mid-Wales town called Dolgelley from NPE and Dolgellau in Real Life I'm not sure what caused this disconnect from reality - I suspect some Anglo-centricity in the mid-century Ordnance Survey... PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Chilton Sent: 23 July 2008 12:34 For this reason I have rarely added any river/stream names from NPE because of: difficulty of knowing when named sectors start/finish, problems of dual language in Wales, and difficulty of sometimes reading the small text names on NPE. Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM weekend accommodation?
I can give you an authoritative answer to this one because I flew Ryanair from Stansted to Dublin last week with an expired passport. I hadn't noticed that my passport was one week out of date - neither did the check-in lady to whom I showed it, neither did the Security check just before airside. Only as I handed my boarding card to the stewardess did she take a closer look and balked. 'You do know your passport has expired?' Luckily, they DO accept drivers licenses, even, in my case, provisional licenses (I really must get round to taking a test) - and she was perfectly happy about it. As were Dublin check-in staff and security on the reverse journey. So no, you don't need a passport to fly Ryanair from UK to ROI. Weirdly, on the way back, after disembarking at Stansted, and before customs/passport control, an officious looking woman was inspecting _boarding_ cards. She was backed up by half a dozen serious looking men, so she meant business. I have no idea what that was about, but luckily I'd kept mine. It's not beyond possibility that I'd have thrown mine away at some point, as I'd never thought I'd have to produce one AFTER a flight. Any ideas? PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renaud Martinet Sent: 24 June 2008 18:29 To: Martijn van Oosterhout Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; Nick Whitelegg Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM weekend accommodation? They surely do accept european ID cards as I always used that at the immigration in Heathrow coming from France and going up to Scotland. In fact you could go through immigration in London only with your thick French accent, happened to me like 3 years ago. It was just after the bombings in London and I had lost all my IDs some time ago. Hopefully they were not too picky and let me board my flight to Aberdeen. I guess it's just a matter of really looking like who you're pretending to be :) Renaud. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Renaud Martinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably any European ID proving your nationality would do but better to check. Usually they give advice when you book the flight. AIUI within the EU you only need to carry *some* kind of (probably official looking) photo identification, it doesn't have to be a passport (though that has the advantage of being recognised everywhere in the world). Between schengen countries you're not required to show it at the border. If you arrive at a londen airport it even says that ID cards are acceptable for EU citizens. Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Running JOSM (+ Java) on flash disk
You'd probably get more help if you posted to the general [EMAIL PROTECTED] address... Good luck PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LeedsTracker Sent: 18 September 2007 13:43 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Running JOSM (+ Java) on flash disk Hello all, Sorry if this is an inappropriate list but hope it's OK. I would like to get JOSM working properly from a USB flash disk, with Java on the disk too, for times I am using a Java-less machine (e.g. a university computer). I have it mostly working but with some errors. My understanding of java is negligible but I would like to work on this. I have started some notes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Talk:JOSM#Run_JOSM_from_flash_dr ive_with_my_prefs.3F I copied an installation of the latest Java runtimes from an installation on my home PC to my flash disk. In a windows batch file, I can run JOSM like so: set APPDATA=\somefolder \java\bin\java.exe -jar \josm\josm-latest.jar The first line tells Java/JOSM where to find my preferences, and this works OK. JOSM then runs but I get an error popup at startup: Error initializing test SpellCheck org/openstreetmap/josm/gui/preferences/AnnotationPresetPreference ...and in the DOS box on launch it says: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/openstreetmap/josm/gui/preferences/AnnotationPresetPreference It looks like Java and/or JOSM is not finding things it expects to find, either within Java's libraries or within josm.jar. Any ideas on tackling this would be most welcome. Thanks, leedstracker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] JOSM presets file
I'm in Cambridge. Does that count? PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Folwell Sent: 06 June 2007 16:03 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] JOSM presets file Hi folks Does anyone have this file please? The download from SlowRider's page on the wiki isn't there any more... Thanks Nick PS Anyone else in East Anglia? Nick Folwell *: [EMAIL PROTECTED] H*: 01440 706768 M*: 07767 374 925 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: nickfolwell Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Virtual place mapping 'party'
Sounds good - can we nominate squares? I bag 4 degrees West, 53 N, (Anglesey/Caernarfon) PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 16 May 2007 10:31 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Virtual place mapping 'party' As I was filling using the NPE maps to confirm some details recently I found myself adding one or two places which had been missed, and then checking others for name and is_in, and I wondered about this: How about having a place mapping week in the near future: we each take one or two whole-degree squares (there's about 60 covering the UK if we fold tiny bits of land into adjacent ones) and systematically add all the places from NPE, aiming to do them all by a deadline. (We might choose to exclude the biggest conurbations like London, Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham as modern suburbs won't be obvious and in any case have mostly been done), but villages and towns almost never disappear (ok, I know about Ashopton and Kielder, but they're rare), and we can confirm current status of most with wikipedia. Most areas have a road or river on the map to align NPE with, and perfect accuracy isn't needed for place names. A few postdate NPE, of course, but most of these will have been picked up. We could also check and complete some other physical details while being systematic, with assistance from landsat: rivers perhaps, and mountain peaks (people who have sparsely populated squares would have more of these, and again I think quite a lot of these have been done). Those with coastal areas could also check and complete any work that needs doing to bring coastline up to spec. A degree square is about 110 x 60 km in the UK so it is significant but manageable. Many places will already have been done, but it would be really nice to have a good degree of confidence that we have a systematic roster of all the places in the UK on the map. What do people think? Shall I set up a wiki page to allocate squares? David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ely
I can't do this Saturday, as I'm working that day. I could do the following Saturday though. Regards PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Earl Sent: Wed 5/9/2007 4:05 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Ely On Saturday I was thinking I'd wander up to Ely (pop ~15,000) with my bike (http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?lat=52.399834lon=0.263128zoom=11) and survey as much of it as I can (there's a small amount already done in the middle but not much else). Would anyone like to join me? It's a bit big for me to complete in a day on my own, but I reckon two of us could do the whole city if we work hard. There's direct trains to Ely from London, Ipswich, Peterborough, and Kings Lynn and points between and beyond. My wireless broadband near Cambridge is available too if you want to process the data as well. Weather forecast is sunny with showers. Anyone interested. David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
