Re: [OSM-talk] The CloudMade API rocks!
Thanks Paul - that's great to hear :-) Your site is cool. Vladimir is the lead developer of Web Maps API, its his baby. You can join the conversation with other CloudMade developers here: http://support.cloudmade.com/forums/web-maps-studio You might want to use our marker clustering: http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-api/examples/marker-clustering -- Nick n...@cloudmade.com On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Paul Houle wrote: > I just switched my site at > > http://ookaboo.com/ > > to use the CloudMade API instead of OpenLayers... All I can say is > "Wow!"... It seems to me that the performance of the CloudMade API is as > good or better than Google's Map API. And the ability to choose a large > range of tilesets is really something... > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app
How many of your users adopted the editing functionality? On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Zsombor Szabó wrote: > Steve, > OpenMaps for iOS has already some great tag editing and node creating > features, but, as hinted in some of our support responses to our users, we > are working on a full-featured OSM editor. I can't tell a deadline yet when > it will be available, but soon. The best part: it will be free. > Best regards, > Zsombor Szabo > IZE, Ltd. > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 21:30, SteveC wrote: >> >> I keep thinking an editing app for the 3G / wifi iPad would be awesome. >> It's always on the network, GPS and compass are built in. >> >> It would be a sweet surveying device, but would have to be super fault >> tolerant in doing things like waiting for the network. >> >> Steve >> >> stevecoast.com >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app
Wow, that's pretty cool. What are your development plans? On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:09 PM, bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > Am 20.08.10 21:17, schrieb John Smith: >> >> On 21 August 2010 05:12, bernhard zwischenbrugger >> wrote: >> >>> >>> But editing with a touchscreen is not easy. >>> How to set a point using a finger? >>> If you put the finger to the screen, you don't see where the point is >>> set. >>> The finger covers the point and it can't be exact. >>> >>> Any idea how to solve this problem? >>> >> >> Cross hairs on the screen and then move the screen/cross hairs to the >> place you really wanted it to be... >> > > I started to make an html vector editor. It's a really early prototype and > maybe it will not work on all platforms: > > http://www.khtml.org/osm/v0.79/examples/edit.html > > The base map (http://khtml.org) should work on iPad (incl. multitouch) but I > don't have an iPad and could only test on iPhone. > For vector editing I didn't add touch support but mouse events are supported > for move nodes. > It uses SVG and on Android it will not work - there is no SVG on Android. > > The crosshair idea is really good, but solves only one part of the UI. > > The userinterface for Android and iPad/iPhone can't be the same. > Android does not support multitouch. > > Maybe someone could draw a userinterface. > > > Bernhard > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app
I would love to have an iPad app to map with. I've actually just come back from a Mapzen POI Collector mapping trip around a town that could have really used an iPad to add some roads and other features. But from CloudMade (or Mapquest's) perspective its tough to justify the cost of developing an iPad app. Mapzen POI Collector only has 7k downloads and a few hundred users each month - so the market size for iPhone apps like this is limited. Sure, make the UX 10x better and there could be thousands of users a month, but its still a limited number of contributos for the effort put in. Compare that to the 2.5M Foursquare users or the 60M Farmville (10% of the total number of Facebook users) users and the number is tiny. Then consider that there are something like 11M iPhones and only 3M iPads in the US with even lower iPad penetration in other places, and the market is even more limited. A possible answer is HTML5 apps - that's what we're looking into at CloudMade at the moment. An HTML5 POI collector, for example would let users on iPhone, Android and iPad and other tablets join in the party. (There are now 8M android phones in the US) It could even be packaged into an app on app stores to make it discoverable. The apps should be focused on doing one or two things well. Does the world need another fully featured editor? IMO, no. It needs a suite of tools that each make it deadly simple to do a couple of things. So the feature set is going to get even more limited ;-) The next problem though is the terrible conversion rates that we see from download to active mapper (see http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/052476.html). This is caused partially by some poor design decision on our part at CloudMade, but primarily by the constraints of the current OAuth system as discussed in the thread I referenced. Unless we fix the problems with the OAuth sign-in / sign-up process the number of new mappers and tools like this could attract will be severely limited. Like I said last time - I'm keen to find a solution to this problem :-) -- Nick n...@cloudmade.com On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Dave F. wrote: > On 21/08/2010 12:51, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > I concur. A huge opportunity for attracting casual mappers if done right. > KISS my OSM or something. Simplicity is the key. Integrated account > creation, oauth, abstraction from the map features complexity. No mobile > JOSM (in spite of its infinite awesomeness - but think fitness for purpose). > I think a chunk of that fresh round of Cloudmade / Mapquest $$$ would be > well spent on a well thought out app. I mean, testing usability with focus > groups and all that, that just takes some concentrated effort. > > Martijn > > Sent from my iPad > > Aren't Android devices out selling iThingys? > > Wouldn't it be better investing into a growing market rather than a stagnant > one? > > Dave F. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general
So let's bring this back to people who want to create tools to make it easier for everyone to participate in OSM. How can we get past the problems and make it easy for people to map? Auth and new mappers workshop ++ Nick On 7 Aug 2010, at 01:03, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 7 August 2010 08:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > John Smith wrote: > >> > >> Even wikipedia doesn't take that attitude, they're currently being > >> threatened by the FBI over a SVG image. > > > > Nothing to do with copyright, and thus completely irrelevant in this > > discussion. > > Wikimedia is claiming fair use, sounds like a copyright argument to me. > > Nope. FBI's problem with Wikipedia has nothing to do with copyright. The work > in question, the FBI seal, is the work of the U.S. Federal Government which > would make it public domain and thus there is no copyright in the first > place. FBI's problem is that people might make fake FBI badges and stuff like > that because Wikipedia provides a high-quality SVG image of the seal. > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general
Hi Guys, The current mechanism by which Mapzen and Mapzen POI Collector users authenticate against OSM is horrible for users. In each user test we do this is the main area where users fall down. We have several one star reviews on the App Store for Mapzen POI-C where users have got lost half way through the Auth process and ended up on the OSM site, thinking its Mapzen. We do user tests of Mapzen web every couple of months - we test on a range of people, from engineers to people off the street - and they all get confused about the account creation and auth process. There are a few things that CloudMade can do to make the process easier for the user and there are also things that could be done from the OSM side to make things easier. Please don't hold Mapzen up as a good example here - we have a technically spot on implementation of something that makes new users' lives hell and limits the ability of people to contribute to OSM. IMO, this is one of the most pressing issues that needs to be solved in order to reverse the stagnation of OSM monthly active contributors. The % of users actively contributing to OSM each month has fallen from 5.7% in March 2010 (13,675 / 238,985) to 4.7% in June (297,041 / 14,018). Of the 7,000 Mapzen POI Collector downloads so far, we see only a fraction get through the OAuth procedure (we have around 350 active contributors each month using POI-C). That equates to a massive missed opportunity in my book. I also appreciate the concerns and problems associated with using a single OSM account - that's why we supported OAuth from the beginning. How would the people voicing opinions in this thread feel about a hack / planning day when editor developers, OSM-F and the OSM server admin team can get together to talk through each side's concerns and come up with a plan that is good for everyone - OSM-F, OSM admin team, editor developers, and most importantly for mappers? -- Nick n...@cloudmade.com On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: > > > David Earl wrote: >> >> Are you going to take the email address on trust? It is really very easy >> to set up an OpenID provider which supplies any old email address on >> request. (There are some I think you can trust in principle - we know >> for example that Google and Yahoo provide verified email addresses, but >> in general I think it needs the round trip with the verification link in >> the email to be trustworthy). >> > Yes, it does still require the round trip to verify the email address. > Technically, it would be no problem to remove the need for that step, even > to selectively "white list" a few openID providers if they were deemed > trustworthy, but both presumably would need a wider agreement and discussion > in the community about the social implications. Hence for the moment, the > implementation is only really a replacement for having to remember yet > another username and password combo. > > Get the technical side and user interface right and deployed, and then one > can later still see if removing additional barrieres is a good next step. So > for the moment it is trying to solve a related, but not quite the same issue > as the NearMap, but perhaps it would help them too. > > > > David Earl wrote: >> >> Also, are you able to link OpenID logins together and with existing OSM >> accounts (i.e. keeping login identity separate from OSM identity and >> allowing OSM identities to have multiple ways of logging in)? >> > You can associate an OpenID to an existing account. You can also switch your > associated OpenID at any time (provided you are logged in) just like you can > change your password. (The OpenID is never revealed to anyone other than the > account holder). But as Tom sais, for the moment you can only associate a > single OpenID with your account. If there is demand for linking multiple > OpenIDs to a single account, it should be reasonably easy to change that in > the future though too. Also, if you choose, you can always continue to use a > standard password instead or in addition to the OpenID. > > Kai > -- > View this message in context: > http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Revert-requests-in-general-tp5370633p5379621.html > Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Help Promote the State of the Map
Hi Guys, Please help out promoting the State of the Map 2010, here are some ways you can help: * Tell your friends * Print out some flyers and distribute around your university / school / place of work - http://www.blacksworld.net/sotm/SOTM-2010_A3_black.pdf * Put a banner on your website or blog - http://www.flickr.com/photos/nick_bl/sets/72157624303395036/ and link it to: http://stateofthemap.org/register/ * Twitter this link to your friends: http://stateofthemap.org/register/ use the hashtag #sotm10 * Email everyone you know, twice :-) -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Agree - thanks for pointing this out. We'll work on making the T&Cs easier to understand. -- Nick On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 09/06/10 19:47, Nick Black wrote: >> Sorry you've hit problems with our T&Cs - its certainly not our >> intention to block your use. So long as you respect the terms of >> CC-by-SA and don't exceed the limits on the use of our Vector Stream >> Server, posted here: >> http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/specialist-tools - there will be >> no problems. > > Hi Nick, > > Thanks - that's good to know. Although you may want to consider > revisiting the way you present your Ts and Cs, considering some of the > more detailed comments I made on them elsewhere in this thread, to try > and help people who _do_ care about the legality of their use to > understand what your requirements are without having to digest six > pagest of legalese. :-) > > Gerv > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Hi Gerv, Sorry you've hit problems with our T&Cs - its certainly not our intention to block your use. So long as you respect the terms of CC-by-SA and don't exceed the limits on the use of our Vector Stream Server, posted here: http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/specialist-tools - there will be no problems. -- Nick On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of > Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). > http://osm.org/go/0EEBWURG > I want to make the map, then remove a few bits which I don't need and > add stuff to it like bigger labels on some important POIs like the > church and the nearest station. I want it to look professional. > > This is just the sort of thing OSM should be good for, or so I hope :-) > > My first effort involved an SVG export of the Mapnik image from the main > website. This is pretty good; the only problem is that the roads are > unnecessarily narrow and so the road names are small and hard to read. > I'd like pretty much that map, except with wider roads and bigger text. > It would take an age to change it all manually in the SVG. What are my > options for a custom render? > > - Mapnik: requires an incredible amount of setup, according to the wiki > page. > > - Osmarender: It's ugly. Sorry, but it is. > > - mapgen.pl: Same. > > - Kosmos: I'm on Linux, and it only really runs on Windows. > > - Cobra: development seems dead. > > - Cartagen: It does road labels square on, which I don't like. > > - Cloudmade: initially, this seemed really promising. They have a > variety of styles, and I probably could make > one with wider roads, but the Terms of Service are so long and > complex, and say "don't do anything with this data that isn't your > own personal use" about three times in different ways, so I assume I > can't use it. > > Any ideas? Is there an online service to which one can submit a Mapnik > style sheet and get back a rendering of a small area? > > Gerv > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Navigation Debug Map Style Available
Hi Guys, Happy Friday. The navigation debug map style we've been working on at CloudMade is now available for browsing, and use as a tile source: http://cartography.sandbox.cloudmade.com/navdebug/?lat=51.51379&lng=-0.106988&zoom=15 Features Shows: * Lane numbers * Speed limits * Turn restrictions - no turns and one direction only * One ways * U-Turns * Roundabouts Grab a PDF legend from here: http://vagafonkin.sandbox.cloudmade.com/navdebug/legend.pdf Details: * Updated once a day * Tiles are rendered on the fly. The more you use, the more we cache :-) Future: * Add more nav features * Integration into Mapzen * Faster updates *... anything else? -- Nick Black n...@cloudmade.com twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Turn Restriction Debugging
Hi Guys, I know some of you use CloudMade's routing to debug routing related thigns in your mapping. We just fixed a few bugs in turn restrictions that should make our routing way more useful for you. For example: http://bit.ly/acmmiv Post any bugs you might find here: http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/routing-http-api/issues Happy mapping. -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 scholarship?
Hi Guys, I think Mikel is going to organise the same scholarship he was involved with last year. He might have some more info. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Arlindo Pereira wrote: > I second that question. I'd love to be able to attend the conference again. > > Cheers, > Arlindo Pereira > > 2010/1/25 maning sambale : >> Are there plans on doing a similar fundraising for the SOTM 2010 scholarship? >> >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> -- >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> -- >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Daily Updates to CloudMade Routing
Hi Maarten, Our routing is being updated each day with the same interval as the tiles. I've bcc'd our support team so they can take a closer look at this incase its a bug in the router. -- Nick On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: > Nick Black wrote: >> Hi Alex, >> >> Mapzen.cloudmade.com has minutely updated tiles. They are also >> available via maps.cloudmade.com: >> >> http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=51.495065&lng=0.002747&zoom=10&styleId=6618&opened_tab=0 >> >> The maps.cloudmade.com service is an alpha - so its not high >> availability and could go down at any moment :-) > > It seems like the tiles are getting updated, but the metadata is not (or has a > longer latency). I added this industrial area [1] on saturday (Trade Port > Noord > with the roads Popeweg and Frans Maasweg), but while the area has been > rendered, > the router has no knowledge of it. Is the routing data still on a longer > update > interval? > > [1] > <http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=51.406461&lng=6.08634&zoom=16&directions=51.32265,6.00034,51.40928,6.09106&travel=bicycle&styleId=6618&opened_tab=1> > > Regards, > Maarten > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Daily Updates to CloudMade Routing
Hi Alex, Mapzen.cloudmade.com has minutely updated tiles. They are also available via maps.cloudmade.com: http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=51.495065&lng=0.002747&zoom=10&styleId=6618&opened_tab=0 The maps.cloudmade.com service is an alpha - so its not high availability and could go down at any moment :-) -- Nick On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 01/15/2010 12:07 PM, Nick Black wrote: >> Hi Alex, >> >> We just updated the tile set today with data from Tue 15th. There are >> minutely tiles available at mapzen.cloudmade.com - but they aren't >> available through the API at the moment. >> >> We're in the process of upgrading all services to daily updates - I >> know the timelyness of data has been a problem in the past so I'm sure >> this batch of updates will help. > > Thanks, Nick. > > I’m seeing the changes in question on mapzen.cloudmade.com, but not on > maps.cloudmade.com yet. Is that expected? > > -Alex Mauer “hawke” > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Daily Updates to CloudMade Routing
Hi Alex, We just updated the tile set today with data from Tue 15th. There are minutely tiles available at mapzen.cloudmade.com - but they aren't available through the API at the moment. We're in the process of upgrading all services to daily updates - I know the timelyness of data has been a problem in the past so I'm sure this batch of updates will help. -- Nick On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 01/14/2010 05:10 AM, Nick Black wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> Some of you use CloudMade's routing to debug your mapping. We've had >> a lot of feedback that though useful, there are two problems: >> >> 1 - The routing is out of date, often lagging many days behind >> 2 - There are bugs with turn restrictions >> >> As of this week, we are updating routing every 24 hours which should >> help with checking mapping and finding errors. Routing should update >> by early evening GMT (16.00 is the target time) with data from the >> previous day. So at 16:00 on Friday 15th Dec, routing will have data >> up to 00:00 on Friday 15th Dec. This is a new service, so exact >> completion times for the import will probably vary. > > Is this already happening? Does it affect rendering, or just routing? > Is it worldwide? I have a road which I updated more than a week ago > which has not updated on cloudmade’s maps yet. > > -Alex Mauer “hawke” > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Daily Updates to CloudMade Routing
Hi guys, Some of you use CloudMade's routing to debug your mapping. We've had a lot of feedback that though useful, there are two problems: 1 - The routing is out of date, often lagging many days behind 2 - There are bugs with turn restrictions As of this week, we are updating routing every 24 hours which should help with checking mapping and finding errors. Routing should update by early evening GMT (16.00 is the target time) with data from the previous day. So at 16:00 on Friday 15th Dec, routing will have data up to 00:00 on Friday 15th Dec. This is a new service, so exact completion times for the import will probably vary. Turn restrictions - we are working on bug fixes for all of the turn restriction problems that exist on our bug tracker. You can report bugs and request features here: http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/routing-http-api/issues Happy mapping. -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Map Maker promotion
This is an awesome idea. I'd like to see the OSM Foundation running something like this. Without a co-ordinated effort, Google have a great chance of winning the hearts and minds of mappers in developing countries. Its exactly the same tactic as Microsoft or Oracle flooding universities with free / cheap versions of their software. Alternatively the OSM-F could lend some marketing help to Mikel & co whose Map Kibera initiative no doubt inspired Google's mapping bus. http://mapkibera.org/ -- Nick On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > Apparently, OSM is lacking a bus: > http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/12/mapping-india-on-googles-internet-bus.html > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
Hi Frederick, Answers below. Oleg Shaniuk is the CM developer who presented about Mapzen POI Collector at SOTM - he'll be able to give more detail than me. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Nick, > > Nick Black wrote: >> >> Mapzen POI Collector is a free iPhone app that makes it really easy to >> collect POIs for OpenStreetMap. Users locate themselves using the >> iPhone's built in GPS, position a pin at the location of the POI they >> want to add and then choose from a range of pre-selected categories. > > I'm lacking an iPhone myself so excuse me if my questions are stupid. I'm > interested in hearing about some technology aspects behind the POI collector > (unless these are terribly secret). There are no stupid questions - only stupid people who don't ask questions :-) > > I assume that the POI collector not only lets you collect new POIs but also > modify existing ones. For this, the existing ones must be shown as active > elements on the map that the device displays. Given that the OSM server > proper is too slow to answer real-time "give me POIs in my vicinity" > queries, and given that XAPI is not generally reliable for anything > commercial grade, I assume that you are using your own XAPI-like POI > database which tracks changes from the main OSM server and feeds them to the > iPhone users, is that correct? Mapzen POI Collector talks to the live OSM server - both to read and write. We looked at created a XAPI like server, but the for the first versions of all of the Mapzen tools we decided it was not worth it. The server is actually quite responsive for POIs - maybe its because node queries are faster than way queries and because the bboxes are generally very small (equal to a few tiles). The fact that everything is slow due to network latency and the general slowness of 3G networks in EU + US has a perverse effect of the user experience in that both the tiles and POIs load slowly, lessening the impact of slow loading POIs. The Mapzen Editor (mapzen.cloudmade.com) is another matter. The data can load very slowly - its a common user complaint. Going forward we'll want to speed up loading data into the Mapzen editor a lot. We have some ideas about how to do this on the client side (happy to share if anyone is interested), but the bottleneck is going to be the server. Having a XAPI like server would let us split requests for different layers and generally speed things up. It does raise issues around conflicts though. An alternative is to speed up the main OSM server - this is good because then everyone in the community benefits (eg Potlatch and other editor users) and mainly because it reduces issues around conflicts. If we ended up doing a CM XAPI, we'd open up access to anyone who wanted to use it anyway, so other editors and mappers could benefit. > > Are you simply getting a feed that is close to real-time as possible and > then let the device send updates directly to the OSM server, and what do you > do in the hopefully rare case of an editing conflict? As we're reading from and writing to live OSM, conflicts are rare. It would be pretty cool to be standing outside a shop, adding it as a POI with Mapzen, only to discover an OSMer standing next to you, adding the same shop with Vespucci. Its going to happen sooner or later... -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Nick Black wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> Mapzen POI Collector was released into the App Store this morning. >> Mapzen POI Collector is a free iPhone app that makes it really easy to >> collect POIs for OpenStreetMap. Users locate themselves using the >> iPhone's built in GPS, position a pin at the location of the POI they >> want to add and then choose from a range of pre-selected categories. >> No need to remember those obscure tags any more. > > I don't have an IPhone but I will borrow one just to test your app. > Is there a way of adding custom POI's and tags? If it is not please > consider adding that feature. Hi Valent - we are testing that feature right now. If you mail me your UUID to n...@cloudmade.com I'll get you setup with a version you can test out. > > Cheers! > > -- > pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, msn: valent.turko...@hotmail.com > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Mapzen Public Beta is Live
Hi Guys, After a few weeks testing and trials, Mapzen public beta was released this evening. You can start using it straight away: http://mapzen.cloudmade.com You can find more info here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapzen Happy mapping, --- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Peter Körner wrote: > Some more things that came in to my mind: > > 1. When Moving a POI it's not visible, because your finger is over it. > When you started moving, there's no way back and no possibility to > cancel. It would be better if moving were implemented just as adding: > holding the finger generates a pin that can be moved and dropped with a > button. Pin handling and POI placement were the toughest parts of the design and development of Mapzen POI Collector. I agree that the movement of existing POIs needs some work. We'll look at it for the 1.2. There is a cancel though - when you move an existing POI you see a "Cancel" icon in the top right of the screen. > > 2. Shops that are made up as areas are not editable nor clickable. > This is planned for the 1.1 release. > 3. It's not that clear when a POI is clickable and when it's not. The > POIs on the tiles sould not have the same color as the real clickable > POIs (or not have any color at all) That's a good point - we'll look at implementing that. Thanks for the feedback - I see you've added to the issue tracker as well - great work :-) http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/mapzen/issues > > Peter > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Claudius wrote: > Am 26.11.2009 10:56, Nick Black: >> Hi Guys, >> >> Mapzen POI Collector was released into the App Store this morning. >> Mapzen POI Collector is a free iPhone app that makes it really easy to >> collect POIs for OpenStreetMap. Users locate themselves using the >> iPhone's built in GPS, position a pin at the location of the POI they >> want to add and then choose from a range of pre-selected categories. >> No need to remember those obscure tags any more. > > Why is it not available for the iPod Touch? The builtin > "geolocalization" just helps you in finding the correct street but still > I would love to have a decent GUI for collectin POIs on my iPod. > You would have to add a user message hinting at the inaccuracy, but still. Main reason is because Mapzen POI Collector needs a network connection to upload the POIs to OSM. There is no support for offline / caching. I guess if you had a wifi network you could upload the POIs that way, but there aren't many places with ubiquitous WiFi. If you email me at n...@cloudmade.com I'll see if we can get a build made for iPod touch and you can test it out. > > Regards, > Claudius > > > ___ > Talk-de mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
2009/11/26 Tomáš Tichý : > This is great news. Are there any plan for Android version? Android is definitely a possibility for 2010. We want to reach as many existing and potentially new OpenStreetMappers as possible with the Mapzen mobile tools, so platform choices will be based on that. > > TT > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:36, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 09:56, Nick Black wrote: >>> Thanks to many members of the OpenStreetMap community who helped with >>> the translations, including: Jonas Kr ückel (German), Simone Cortesi >>> (Italian), Frédéric Bonifas (French). If you would like to help >>> translate the Mapzen POI collector docs into your language, please >>> drop me an emai: n...@cloudmade.com >> >> If you're interested in using Translatewiki for Mapzen or the Mapzen >> POI collector let me know. We already moved Potlatch and the OSM web >> to it with great results. To use translatewiki.net would require that >> Mapzen and Mapzen POI are open source but as far as I can tell only >> the former is at the moment, but alternatively you could set up your >> own translation wiki, but that would mean not having access to the >> large translation community at Translatewiki.net. >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
Hi Peter, The app itself is not yet localised, though we plan to do so in later versions. Thanks for the feature request :-) The first update will focus on expanding the choices of POI types, so if there is a type that is not present, please add to here: http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/mapzen/issues On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Peter Körner wrote: > Very cool thing! > But, how do I select the language, once I've installed Mapzen from the > App-Store (I found it by searching for Mapzen, not via the links above) > > I also already have a feature Request: > I'd like to have auto completion in the "Street" field. > > Peter > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector
Hi Guys, Mapzen POI Collector was released into the App Store this morning. Mapzen POI Collector is a free iPhone app that makes it really easy to collect POIs for OpenStreetMap. Users locate themselves using the iPhone's built in GPS, position a pin at the location of the POI they want to add and then choose from a range of pre-selected categories. No need to remember those obscure tags any more. Mapzen POI Collector is available from all App Stores. Localised docs are available for Germany, France, Italy, UK/US. Download from the App Store here: Germany - http://bit.ly/6qUoA8 UK/US - http://bit.ly/8wM9O1 France - http://bit.ly/8OfrCt Italy - http://bit.ly/6xBa3h Thanks to many members of the OpenStreetMap community who helped with the translations, including: Jonas Krückel (German), Simone Cortesi (Italian), Frédéric Bonifas (French). If you would like to help translate the Mapzen POI collector docs into your language, please drop me an emai: n...@cloudmade.com Happy Mapping! -- Nick Black n...@cloudmade.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] cloud made routing and turn restrictions
Hi Guys, As Igor says, there are some bugs with our handling of turn restrictions :-( They are the most urgent routing bugs we have to fix, so we'll be getting onto them as soon as possible. -- Nick On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Pascal Neis wrote: > Hi, > > Longbow4u schrieb: > >> It there any website that is using OSM data and utilizes turn > >> restrictions? > >> > > > > Openrouteservice.org uses turn restrictions - but they do not supply > information > > about the date of their used maps. > > That's not right, ORS do NOT support turn restrictions. > The updates take place (normally) always on Wednesdays. [1] > > regards, > pascal > > > [1] > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OpenRouteService#General_Information > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Meeting Minutes - 04092009
Hi Guys, Minutes from this morning's meeting are here: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgdmw5gt_1msfdw8fk I'll be updating the Local Chapters wiki page this afternoon. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters If you are reading this on talk and are interested in Local Chapters, please join the Local Chapters mailling list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/local-chapters -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Mailling List
Hello, A local chapters mailling list has been set up here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/admin/local-chapters The list will be used for all conversations about setting up local chapters. There is also a different address lo...@osmfoundation.org that is an alias for the members of the local chapters working group. Use local@ for any communications about meeting times or other administrative things. Keep most of the discussion to the public list. If you'd like to join in the debate, take a look at the local chapters wiki discussion page, which is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/Local_Chapters -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update
Peter, John + list, Not sure where the details of payment have gone - I'll try to take a look at the history over the weekend, but I might not get the chance. The info is definitely on the wiki discussion page, which seemed a good place to hold the contentious issues. Totally agree regarding a mailing list - I know Mike has it on his todo list. For now I'll keep communicating on Talk. Regarding the call, its a Local Chapters Working Group call, almost entirely about the process of setting up local chapters. We won't be talking about the ins and outs of the actual agreement, just how we can get a framework in place for things like handling applications, negotiating contracts with local groups etc. Anyone is welcome to join the group - please mail lo...@osmfoundation.org is you'd like to join and help out. -- Nick On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, John Smith wrote: > 2009/8/29 Peter Miller : > > As agreed in an earlier thread on talk [1] can we have an email list for > > this subject. How about talk-local? Can we have it now! > > +100 > > Why are people being excluded from these decisions when I've > repeatedly told/emailed you that 6pm BST is unsuitable for a number of > interested parties in this process? > > > Fyi, the 'proposed agreement' on the wiki makes no mention of a payment > of > > £10, indeed the finance section starts "Local chapters and the OSMF being > > separate legel entities have their own sources of income like membership > > fees and donations and decide on their own what to do with their money. > > There is no automatic payment of money from local chapters to OSMF or > vice > > versa" . Are you referring back to the original document? I believe we > > should all be working from the version on the wiki. > > I really don't think it's a good idea to force people to automatically > join OSM-F, I agree that it should be encouraged but not mandated it > will deter people from joining both local chapters and OSM-F. > > But of course there has been no discussion on this except for a few > that was on the last discussion about this. > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update
Hello, Here's an update on the current state of the local chapters working group: *Local Chapters Agreement* The debate around the details of setting up local chapters is happening on the local chapters wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters and its discussion page. The whole community are welcome to join the discussion about how we extend the benefits of OSM and the Foundation beyond the current membership base. The main areas of discussion are: Payments: The current agreement asks for £10 from each member of a federated local chapter. Many people have suggested that £10 would be too much for members in some developing economies to pay. One current suggestion is to use "Purchasing Power Parity" [1] - an index similar to the Big Mac Index, to calculate a local rate. Membership: There is some controversy around the relationship between local chapter members and the OSM-Foundation. There are broadly two opinions here: 1) All local chapter members are by default members of the OSM-Foundation. The Local Chapter is affiliated to the Foundation 2) The Local Chapter members do not have to be members of the OSM-Foundation. The Local Chapter is affiliated to the Foundation *Next Meeting of the Local Chapters Group* The local chapters working group will meet at 6pm BST on Weds 30th September to discuss these issues and others. The agenda of the meeting is: * What is the process for creating draft agreements and approving local chapters? This includes a timeline for getting the first chapters set up and identifying any discussion items that the local chapters group feel may be blockers to moving forward with local chapter agreements. * What is the process for continuing to refine the current agreement? * Which parts of the agreement should be standard and which could be amended for each group? The local chapters group will report back to this list after our meeting next week. In the meantime, please comment on the agreement on the wiki page, or mail us directly at lo...@osmfoundation.org. If you have a chapter you'd like to set up, please add it to the list here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Proposed_Chapters [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Call Today
Hi Kate + group, There's been a bit of confusion around Local Chapters meetings - I tried to sort out the confusion last week, but clearly did not do a very good job ;-) Sorry if you guys wasted your time today. A lot of the community felt that the best way forward for Local Chapters would be to make comments based on the proposed Local Chapters agreement on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters Anyone who is interested in Local Chapters should add comments to the proposed agreement. The aim is to find all there areas where there are disagreements and then try and solve them one by one. What I've suggested before is: "What I propose is that we set a date of the 18th September (4 weeks away) in which we as a group of people interested in Local Chapters can discuss and debate the way forward and then deliver a second draft of the agreement(s) that will allow those Local Chapters who are ready to go to sign up and get going. In the meantime, we'll mainly focus on textual commenting. If we need phone calls, we can arrange them as needed." The good news, especially for the patient and keen Locals like Ivan, is that the OSM-F board agreed last Saturday that we could go ahead and start to form local chapters based on a provisional agreement. The board felt - and I hope this is reflected by the community - that having one master agreement for all local chapters would not work and that the role of the Local Chapters group should be to negotiate an agreement with each local chapter that takes into account local specifics (like how hard it is to set up a non-profit in the USA or why Dutch groups can't have members and so on). Of course, some things will need to be the same for each agreement. Local Chapters will have to be democratic, have a mission statement that falls in line with that of the OSM-F, and so on. We also talked about membership fees. I really like the idea of using a PPP index ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity) to set a variable rate membership as a way to help inclusiveness. The next question of course, is who's chairing the Local Chapters working group. I was previously the chair, and the OSM-F board have previously agreed that only board members can chair working groups. So the group is chair-less. I'm happy to continue as interim chairman or whatever. AFAIK, Mike Collinson is in the process of setting up a Local Chapters mailing list, which should make communication easier. -- Nick On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: > There was an attempted Local Chapters Working Group call today, Andrew > Turner, Vincent Meurisse and myself called in. > We think the call needs to be rescheduled, it appears not many people could > make it. Is there a better time for those that are interested? From > looking at the wiki the time excluded those in Australia, New Zealand and > Asia. Also it was noted that there wasn't a call in number for the > Phillippines. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Meetings/24-August-2009 > > In light of the recent board elections is there going to be a shift in > leadership of the group as well? > > > Thanks, > > Kate Chapman > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Change of Venue for Anniversary Party
The Anniversary party is now at The Mulberry Bush, not the Porterhouse. The Mulberry bush has an outside area and is quieter on saturdays than the Porterhouse, which is usually rammed. Sorry for the late notice. Indecisiveness and the chance of nice weather are to blame :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.507181&mlon=-0.11026&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
A quick reminder, there is a meeting scheduled for next Monday 24th to discuss the Local Chapters. There seems to be a lot of contention here about what the right way to move forward is. For example, many people feel excluded by calls they can't participate in. How about we take the approach that the License group have - anyone interested can add comments to the Local Chapters agreement page and we can discuss on the mailing list that is being set up for Local Chapters. We need a framework and dates though, otherwise Local Chapters will drift on for another year :-( . What I propose is that we set a date of the 18th September (4 weeks away) in which we as a group of people interested in Local Chapters can discuss and debate the way forward and then deliver a second draft of the agreement(s) that will allow those Local Chapters who are ready to go to sign up and get going. In the meantime, we'll mainly focus on textual commenting. If we need phone calls, we can arrange them as needed. Does this sound like a good way forward? -- Nick On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 20/8/09, John McKerrell wrote: > > > Just a small observation but if conf calls aren't allowed > > then I think > > complaints that things move too slowly should also be > > banned. > > I don't think any form of communication should be excluded, however > decisions only based on conf calls is a different matter. > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Peter Miller wrote: > > On 18 Aug 2009, at 09:17, Nick Black wrote: > > John, > I said: > > so if you can't make it but would like to, please add your name to the > wiki so we can have a second call at a better time. > > No-one is trying to exclude you - especially not the people who are trying > set up local groups and make OSM and the OSM-F more inclusive :-) If there > are people who want to take the call at a Australia/Asia/New Zealand > friendly time, I've said that I'll go out of my way to make it and I'm sure > some of the other Local Chapters volunteers will as well. > > Please add your details to the wiki page, suggest some friendly times and > we'll set up a call. Alternatively, organize the call yourself at any time > you want and give you feedback to the Local Chapters group > lo...@osmfoundation.org. > > > Would a 'local chapters' email list not be a great way to include people > from all around the world on different time zones for to include those for > whom English is a second language? A combination of email list and wiki > allow people to work at a time of there convenience, gives people time to > read and write at their own speed (using translation tools if necessary) and > there is a full history of the discussion. > Sounds good. Mike - could you do the honours and set up a local chapters mailing list please? > > I suggest that conference calls and IRC are only used for those issues > where email is not working or getting to an resolution on a difficult > subject. > > Regards, > > > > Peter > > > -- > Nick > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:40 AM, John Smith wrote: > >> --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Nick Black wrote: >> >> > Chapters meetings. You can find minutes here [1] along >> > with information about the next meeting. >> >> There seems to be more questions posed than answers in the minutes... >> >> > The next meeting is proposed for the 24th August >> > at 18.00 - 19:30 BST. I know this is not great for a lot >> > of people who are in non-BST friendly time zones, so if you >> > can't make it but would like to, please add your name to >> > the wiki so we can have a second call at a better >> > time. >> >> I did, but it didn't seem to make a difference, also there is at least one >> other person that would like to have been in the conference but wasn't an >> insomniac last night either. >> >> > One of the goals of the meeting next week will >> > be to set a timetable for getting local chapters set up, >> > which will be largely dependent on how much we all agree / >> > disagree in the call. Until then, please read over the >> > Local Chapters wiki page and add as many comments or ideas >> > as possible, so we can discuss next week. >> >> It's a bit exclusionary to state that and then already acknowledge that >> people can't make it due to time of day. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > Nick Black > twitter.com/nick_b > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
John, I said: so if you can't make it but would like to, please add your name to the wiki so we can have a second call at a better time. No-one is trying to exclude you - especially not the people who are trying set up local groups and make OSM and the OSM-F more inclusive :-) If there are people who want to take the call at a Australia/Asia/New Zealand friendly time, I've said that I'll go out of my way to make it and I'm sure some of the other Local Chapters volunteers will as well. Please add your details to the wiki page, suggest some friendly times and we'll set up a call. Alternatively, organize the call yourself at any time you want and give you feedback to the Local Chapters group lo...@osmfoundation.org. -- Nick On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:40 AM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Nick Black wrote: > > > Chapters meetings. You can find minutes here [1] along > > with information about the next meeting. > > There seems to be more questions posed than answers in the minutes... > > > The next meeting is proposed for the 24th August > > at 18.00 - 19:30 BST. I know this is not great for a lot > > of people who are in non-BST friendly time zones, so if you > > can't make it but would like to, please add your name to > > the wiki so we can have a second call at a better > > time. > > I did, but it didn't seem to make a difference, also there is at least one > other person that would like to have been in the conference but wasn't an > insomniac last night either. > > > One of the goals of the meeting next week will > > be to set a timetable for getting local chapters set up, > > which will be largely dependent on how much we all agree / > > disagree in the call. Until then, please read over the > > Local Chapters wiki page and add as many comments or ideas > > as possible, so we can discuss next week. > > It's a bit exclusionary to state that and then already acknowledge that > people can't make it due to time of day. > > > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
Hello, We just held the first of a new program of Local Chapters meetings. You can find minutes here [1] along with information about the next meeting. The next meeting is proposed for the 24th August at 18.00 - 19:30 BST. I know this is not great for a lot of people who are in non-BST friendly time zones, so if you can't make it but would like to, please add your name to the wiki so we can have a second call at a better time. For the next meeting, it would be good to go through all of the comments from the Local Chapters wiki page - so if you have added a comment and would like to discuss it further, please come and join in the call. I know its hard for non native English speakers to follow long meetings on phone calls and that text based meetings are better for some. A good compromise could be for someone from each of the local communities to volunteer to transcribe onto a local IRC channel and to push any questions to the main IRC, where we can try to answer questions as they come up. This is my best idea for making the process as inclusive as possible - if you have a better idea, please let me know :-) One of the goals of the meeting next week will be to set a timetable for getting local chapters set up, which will be largely dependent on how much we all agree / disagree in the call. Until then, please read over the Local Chapters wiki page and add as many comments or ideas as possible, so we can discuss next week. Best, -- Nick [1] - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters#Past_Meeting_Minutes On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/8/14 Jochen Topf : > > Hi! > > > > I don't mind if anybody wants to have a phone conversation on things. > Just keep > > in mind that most interested people will not be on that phone call and > that all > > the discussions have to be repeated on this list or on the wiki for the > benefit > > of those of us not on the call. > > yes. I think to discuss in a written form has a lot of advantage > respect to a phone-conference. (searchable, re-readable, not dependant > on specific temporal availability of contributors and time-zones, less > ad-hoc and therefore (sometimes) more reflected, less > band-width-dependant, less dependant on language-skills, ...), so in a > global project I'd prefer a written discussion. > > cheers, > Martin > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group
Hi Guys, Its time to jump-start the Local Chapters working group. Jochen has kindly revamped the wiki page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters) so if you have interest in a local chapter, please read it and add your details to the relevant section. I'm proposing having an open call on Monday 17th August at 6pm BST at which anyone interested can talk through their comments or concerns, as we did in Amsterdam during SOTM. I know that this is short notice and that 6pm BST doesn't work for a lot of people (eg people in Australia or the Far East). If you would like to attend, but can't because of any reason, please add you name to the relevant section below, along with some contact details and we'll get a time set up for another call in which you can participate. Meeting Objectives * Give potential Local Chapter leaders and other community members the change to discuss the proposed agreement * Clarify some "next steps" for the license process The page with details and sign up is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Meetings/August-2009 Hope to talk to many interested Local Chapter people next week. -- Nick On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Nick Black wrote: > > Ok, taken out the OSM-F list. Thanks for updating the wiki - I'm going to take a look over it tomorrow and make sure all the info the community needs is on there. From there I will propose a set of steps towards getting Local Chapters set up, along with any remaining questions. The community will be able to comment on the process and see what is going on and what needs to be done to set up local chapters. > -- > Nick > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> Lets use the mailing lists and the wiki. Thats much more inclusive for a >> diverse group like this. Especially for this issue where there are people >> from many countries in different time zones involved and where many will >> not speak English well enough to feel comfortable voicing their opinions >> in a phone call. And as a bonus everything is already documented for >> eveybody else and we don't need to wait for meeting minutes etc. >> >> Jochen >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:30:06AM +0200, Nick Black wrote: >> > Cc: Michael Kugelmann , osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, >> > OSM talk >> > From: Nick Black >> > To: Jochen Topf >> > Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group >> > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:30:06 +0200 >> > >> > Hi Jochen, >> > >> > Thanks for updating the page. We should try and pick things up again >> > regarding Local Chapters, especially after the progress we made at SOTM. >> > >> > How about we set up a call for late next week or early the week after >> > with all of the interested parties? I'm out of the office today, but if >> > this sounds good I'll get it set up tomorrow. >> > >> > (BTW - Agree wrt using OSM-Talk, but I don't have access to my osm-talk >> > email account when I'm offline). >> > >> > -- >> > Nick >> > >> > >> > On 9 Aug 2009, at 19:45, Jochen Topf wrote: >> > >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:29:23PM +0200, Michael Kugelmann wrote: >> >>> looking at the foundation web site and the wiki, there is very few >> >>> information on the local chapter working group - only a draft of the >> >>> federation agreement is linked withought an information on the >> >>> version >> >>> or date it was created! Additionally there are no meeting minutes >> >>> available at all. (or at least I didn't find iformation and minutes). >> >>> On the Saturday eving at the SOTM09 there was a meeting relatetd to >> >>> to >> >>> local chapters. >> >>> >> >>> So please could: >> >>> A) somebody from the working group give the current status (and maybe >> >>> add a version information to the draft!) >> >>> B) somebody joining the SOTM meeting provide information what was >> >>> discussed and potential results >> >>> C) somebody from the working group providing information on next >> >>> steps... >> >> >> >> I am not a member of the working group, but to get the ball rolling >> >> again >> >> I have brought the wiki page at >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters up to
Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group
Ok, taken out the OSM-F list. Thanks for updating the wiki - I'm going to take a look over it tomorrow and make sure all the info the community needs is on there. From there I will propose a set of steps towards getting Local Chapters set up, along with any remaining questions. The community will be able to comment on the process and see what is going on and what needs to be done to set up local chapters. -- Nick On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: > Hi! > > Lets use the mailing lists and the wiki. Thats much more inclusive for a > diverse group like this. Especially for this issue where there are people > from many countries in different time zones involved and where many will > not speak English well enough to feel comfortable voicing their opinions > in a phone call. And as a bonus everything is already documented for > eveybody else and we don't need to wait for meeting minutes etc. > > Jochen > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:30:06AM +0200, Nick Black wrote: > > Cc: Michael Kugelmann , osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org > , > > OSM talk > > From: Nick Black > > To: Jochen Topf > > Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working > group > > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:30:06 +0200 > > > > Hi Jochen, > > > > Thanks for updating the page. We should try and pick things up again > > regarding Local Chapters, especially after the progress we made at SOTM. > > > > How about we set up a call for late next week or early the week after > > with all of the interested parties? I'm out of the office today, but if > > this sounds good I'll get it set up tomorrow. > > > > (BTW - Agree wrt using OSM-Talk, but I don't have access to my osm-talk > > email account when I'm offline). > > > > -- > > Nick > > > > > > On 9 Aug 2009, at 19:45, Jochen Topf wrote: > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:29:23PM +0200, Michael Kugelmann wrote: > >>> looking at the foundation web site and the wiki, there is very few > >>> information on the local chapter working group - only a draft of the > >>> federation agreement is linked withought an information on the > >>> version > >>> or date it was created! Additionally there are no meeting minutes > >>> available at all. (or at least I didn't find iformation and minutes). > >>> On the Saturday eving at the SOTM09 there was a meeting relatetd to > >>> to > >>> local chapters. > >>> > >>> So please could: > >>> A) somebody from the working group give the current status (and maybe > >>> add a version information to the draft!) > >>> B) somebody joining the SOTM meeting provide information what was > >>> discussed and potential results > >>> C) somebody from the working group providing information on next > >>> steps... > >> > >> I am not a member of the working group, but to get the ball rolling > >> again > >> I have brought the wiki page at > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters up to > >> date > >> and added all the stuff that I remember from our meeting at SOTM. > >> > >> I have tried to bring in all the issues that were raised in a form > >> that > >> they can be discussed easily. I think the creation of a legal document > >> as the formal agreement between OSMF and a local chapter is only the > >> second > >> step. The first is that we as a community have to agree roughly on how > >> the relationship between OSMF and the local chapters should be shaped > >> and > >> how they fit into the larger context of the OSM community and the > >> other > >> work of OSMF. > >> > >> Because this is probably an issue of interest to more than current OSM > >> members, I would encourage you to discuss things on the talk list and > >> on > >> the wiki. > >> > >> Jochen > >> -- > >> Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ > >> +49-721-388298 > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> osmf-talk mailing list > >> osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk > > > > -- > > Nick Black > > twitter.com/nick_b > > n...@blacksworld.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] State of the Map 2009 Schedules Released
Hello, After a lot of schedule crunching, the provisional schedule for the State of the Map 2009 is now available in a first pass form. This is mainly so that speakers can check their talks and scheduling: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=r4WraCgENoOek3Vs4ft0y2g&output=html There were a record breaking 62 talks submitted this year - almost twice the number of talks submitted in previous years. All of the talks were really high quality and many have a different focus to talks in previous years. With so many talks submitted this year, we're having two tracks, as well as workshops. You can find a provisional schedule here (click on "Look for More"): http://www.stateofthemap.org/schedules/ . You can grab XML & iCAL feed and mash-up for fun or profit ;-) More details will be added to the schedules over the next few weeks. If you haven't signed up for the State of the Map yet, you can get you tickets here: http://www.stateofthemap.org/register/ -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice
Hi Guys,
Was there an agreed answer to this issue.
I want to tag an address in Kyiv using both the English and Ukrainian street
names.
Sounds like I can do:
addr:street:en:Tereschenkivska Street
and
addr:street:ua:Терещнкіівська
Is this best practice?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ben Laenen wrote:
> On Sunday 15 March 2009, Tal wrote:
> > name:local_lang="fr - nl" is indeed an interesting idea, that I
> > haven't thought of.
> > However, I ask myself if it's flexible enough.
> > It seems that for just a little more coding you get the much more
> > flexible "{name:fr} - {name:nl}" (with special escape combinations
> > \\, \{, \} ).
> >
> > I think that mappers from Brussels and also other parts of the word
> > with strings comprised from two languages should add there insights.
> > Do they care about this problem? Are they willing to use such a
> > solution?
>
> Only if it's actually rendering both names, and only if it applies to an
> area that automatically adds the "local_lang=fr;nl" tag to all objects
> inside its boundaries (it's just a bad idea to tag every object with
> what it's local language is, you can override with a tag on the object
> itself if it's different).
>
> I wouldn't do "local_lang=fr - nl" as the separator can always vary for
> the same object (you could have a dash, or a newline or just a space, a
> slash or a bullet or whatever), depending on what the person making the
> maps likes most.
>
> But given the complexity of handling boundaries to add tags to the
> objects I think we'll be doing "name=Dutch name - French
> name", "name:nl=Dutch name", "name:fr=French name" in Brussels for a
> long time to come.
>
> Greetings
> Ben
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade Maps routing
Hi Jonas - thanks for pointing out this bug. We've raised a ticket here: http://developers.cloudmade.com/issues/show/100 Yuliya (cc'd) will get in touch with you when we've investigated the problem and have a resolution. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jonas Svensson wrote: > According to http://maps.cloudmade.com/ it is not possible to drive by car > from Stensättaregatan (58.41685269735186 15.595479011535645) to > Skräddaregatan (58.41647059846362 15.597131252288818). Is there some > problem in the tagging of the streets or is it because the routing is a > little too good at following access rules? Grenadjärgatan (the only > connection) is limited > access, anyone is allowed to drive there but only if you have to to reach > destination. > > I get this error: > "Error processing request, message:Cannot create endpoint, The way > specified cannot locate the point on it" > > If I select other streets closeby which still needs to route by > Grenadjärgatan I get "Cannot find the road between points". > > /Jonas > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black n...@cloudmade.com twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM Working Committee Update
The latest minutes from the SOTM organizing committee are here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhdfbm9s_6cpp565d9 They include the announcement regarding the winning SOTM logo. -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Local Chapter Working Group Update - Looking for Volunteers
Hello, The Local Chapters Working Group is looking for volunteers to help drive the local chapters process through to completion. Since late last year the group has been working to set up local OSM-F chapters that will represent the OSM-F in local territories. Local Chapters give local OSM groups the opportunity to officially represent the OSM-F: they can use the OSM logos and web domains and officially represent the OSM-F to companies, governments and media. You can find out more about Local Chapters here: http://www.blacksworld.net/blog/2008/12/11/osm-f-update-local-chapters-are-coming/ The next phase of work for the Local Chapters Group will involve opening more discussions with potential local leaders and members. We want to make sure that the Local chapters work to help the people on the ground organize mapping and OpenStreetMap activities more effectively. To carry this out, we need help from some volunteers who can dedicate 2-4 hours a week over the next 6 weeks to get in touch with potential local leaders and members. If can offer you time to call, email and engage in dialogue with OSMers around the world, and then work with the Local Chapters Group to refine the current draft, please get in touch with me (n...@osmfoundation.org). If you are a local leader or community member who's been in contact with me or the Local Chapters group recently - we'll be getting back in touch soon. If you have not had a chance to give you opinion, or if you have any more questions, please get in touch. The latest working draft of the Federation agreement is here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgdmw5gt_7gtj36hhh -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Roads/Rails Shapefile Import for Tanzania, Uganda, DRC, Rwanda
Great work Robert - look forward to seeing the finished upload. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos wrote: > hi robert, > > this is really cool! great to see that africover is willing to donate this > data. > > one thing thats worth pointing out, just in case you hadn't seen it > already; the OSM server will be down from the 17th possibly until the > 20th for an upgrade to the API. hopefully this will not inconvenience > you, as most of the OSM tools and clients are ready for the upgrade. > > this page contains more information - > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6/Information > and we're all happy to help if there are any problems. > > cheers, > > matt > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Robert Soden > wrote: > > Hello, > > Over the last few months, I've been in contact with FAO's Africover > > program: http://www.africover.org/ . Africover maintains shapefiles > > containing rivers, roads, towns, and admin boundaries for a number of > > countries that we would like add to the OSM dataset. While they > > normally do not release data under an OSM-acceptable license, they have > > granted us permission to add their data to Open Street Map. > > Over the next few weeks, we will be working on importing data for > > Tanzania, DR Congo, Uganda, and Rwanda. We'll be working slowly in > > order to ensure accuracy and integrity of the OSM dataset. Please feel > > free to get in touch if you are interested in learning more about our > > progress, but we will also be posting status reports on the project wiki > > pages. > > Africover also maintains datasets for > > Burundi, Egypt, Eritrea, Kenya, Somalia, and Sudan. We may work on > > these over the longer-term, and would be happy to collaborate with other > > folks on this. > > Cheers, > > Robert Soden > > rob...@developmentseed.org > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM Working Group Update - Book Now to Avoid Sleeping on the Street
Hello, The State Of The Map organizing committee met today to talk about... organizing SOTM. You can read the minutes here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdfbm9s_595cprtd6 The highlights: Accommodation in Amsterdam is already starting to fill up. Book your hotel / hostel now to avoid disappointment SOTM only happens because of the awesome talks that are given by the community. If you have an idea for a talk or workshop, submit it here: http://www.stateofthemap.org/call-for-papers/ -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Nick Black wrote: > >> Just to be clear the "Personal Use" parts of the CloudMade T&Cs refer to >> the >> site contents and use of the website - cloudmade.com, rather than any of >> the >> APIs and web service. You, and everyone else are welcome to use >> CloudMade's >> APIs, web services and the documentation provided on the site in personal, >> public or business uses. >> > > Sorry for misrepresenting that then! I read about the "personal use" in the > Ts and Cs and thought "well it cannot probably mean that they don't want > business users to look at their web page so it must mean the > tiles/services/APIs". No problem :-) > > > It would be great if you could link to > > http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-lite/terms >> http://www.cloudmade.com/products/libraries_apis/terms_of_use >> > > from > > http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions >> > > because the latter is the one that you find when you google for "cloudmade > terms and conditions"! Good feedback - we could definitely make the T&Cs more clear. Cheers, > > > Bye > Frederik > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Rajan + list, This one is from written with my CloudMade keyboard ;-) Just to be clear the "Personal Use" parts of the CloudMade T&Cs refer to the site contents and use of the website - cloudmade.com, rather than any of the APIs and web service. You, and everyone else are welcome to use CloudMade's APIs, web services and the documentation provided on the site in personal, public or business uses. Which CloudMade libraries are you particularly interested in using? The Ruby, Python and Java libs are all open source (L-GPL) and we're happy to support anyone who'd like to develop libraries in other languages. Libraries T&Cs (L-GPL) - http://www.cloudmade.com/products/libraries_apis/terms_of_use Website T&Cs - http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions Web Maps Lite (Jacascript library) T&Cs - http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-lite/terms Hope this clarifies things for you. Nick On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > rajan vaish wrote: > > Hi,I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the routing > > implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of CloudMade ( > > http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as well.Am I > allowed > > to use the same ? > > I don't see why not. > > It is true that CloudMade say you may use their site "solely for your > personal use", whereas Google say any software you produce must be > licensed under an OSI approved license (i.e. you cannot produce software > licensed as "only for personal use"). > > But you can simply pass on this restriction to the users of your > software: The software you make is free for use/inspection/modification > by anybody as per the OSI compliant license you choose, but if people > then use your software to access the CloudMade site then they may only > do so for their personal use. > > As you correctly point out, the situation is similar to GSoc students > writing software that interacts with Google Maps. > > Whether or not the OSM project accepts and endorses a proposal for a > GSoC project that will only work using the services of CloudMade (which > are outside the control of the OSM project) is of course another matter, > but I guess if it is something seriously cool then nobody will ask many > questions. > > I believe that CloudMade used to have a developer sponsorship programme > of their own where they handed out grants for the development of > OSM-related software, so that might be another avenue for you to follow > up (but you should really ask them directly as it has been a while since > this was last mentioned). > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap in "The Times - atlas of the world" book
When you say listed, does it show an OSM map? Or just name the project? On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Sam Vekemans wrote: > Hi all, > i just wanted to let you all know that on page 57 of this big atlas > book, openstreetmap is listed! > (a big heavy book) > So kids studing geography will see it! > > Its ISBN 978 0 00 7236701 - "The greatest book on earth" > www.timesatlas.com > twelfth edition 2007 > -it shows "collaborative mapping of Bedford, UK" > > This makes me excited because by the end of this year, all of Canada > will be complete! > > Have a great day! > > Sam Vekemans > Across Canada Trails > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Working Group Meeting
Yes - Early bird ends on the 29th, not the 26th. 2009/3/25 Russ Nelson > > On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Nick Black wrote: > > > > * Early bird discount rates for SOTM09 end on 26th March - get your > > tickets soon! > > The email from dhansen just said that it ends on March 29th. > > -- > Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson > r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - > http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM Working Group Meeting
Hello, The SOTM Organzing Committee had a meeting today. Things are progressing nicely towards having an awesome conference in Amsterdam in May. Word of warning - accomodation in Amsterdam in July will book up quickly. Book your hotel soon to avoid disapointment. Minutes from the latest meeting are here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdfbm9s_0gv6tmp8s Summary: * Early bird discount rates for SOTM09 end on 26th March - get your tickets soon! * SOTM Committee are going to prepare a brief template for blog posts to promote the conference. The aim is to spread them through the blogosphere on Friday - you can help. Translate the template into your language, post on your blog, twitter until @thughes asks you to stop! * Call for papers is open (themes below) more info here - http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/03/16/call-for-papers-for-the-stateofthemap-2009-is-now-open/ -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Call for Papers for SOTM09 is now open
Hi Chippy, The idea of the business day is to promote OSM and opengeodata to potential users. The business day is not so much about letting OSM solution providers promote their products. We want to focus on the bigger issues - why OSM is important to consumers of geodata, why crowd sourcing is the way forward, reliability of OSM etc. We are planning a "10 of the best" session - a one hour slot that would let startups and small businesses pitch their solution to the audience. The SOTM organizing committee are currently finalizing the themes and agenda, but this is what we are looking like at the moment: Suggested Themes: - Crucially Independent - Why an independent third data source is vital for consumers of geodata - The Crowd Sourced Advantage - What is crowd sourcing and how does it relate to map data? - Safe and Secure - Delivering reliable, high quality products and services with OSM data - Serving the Public - Using OSM data to provide better services to citizens in Local and National Government *Criteria for Choosing Speakers* - World leader in a field that is directly relevant to a theme - Senior level in a company that is contributing to the themes of the day *Target Audience* - Execs and senior management from mobile handset manufacturers, network operators, transport consultancies, national and local government, web portals, navigation providers and other ISVs using mapping data - Professional cartographers, GIS analysts and statisticians - Owners of start-ups and small businesses who use or are considering using mapping data - OSMers (of course ;-) ) Concept program - Show the problem - why do you need crowd sourced data? - Introduce the solution - OSM - crowdsourced, reliable, up to date - Give examples - people using OSM data - Discussion panel - panel made up of leading speakers for the day The quick answer is that you should first submit to the weekend conference, via the online form. When the Biz Day is finalised (in the next few days) you can always re-submit or submit a second paper. Cheers, On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: > 2009/3/16 Nick Black : > > That's right - there's only 117 days until we start SOTMizing in > Amsterdam. > > > > Details of the Call for Papers are here: > > > http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/03/16/call-for-papers-for-the-stateofthemap-2009-is-now-open/ > > > > You can buy an early bird ticket for the recession beating price of € 85 > > here until the 29th March: http://www.stateofthemap.org/register-now/ > > Could you clarify the call for papers and the Business Day - there > doesn't seem to be a way to just submit a paper to one or the other, > or to give a preference. > > From what I gather, the differences are not just Serious Business on > one day vs Fun Geeky Community stuff - there's cross over, right? > Might we have to submit two talks, one about how you can make serious > money using X for Friday, and one about the ins and outs of how X was > made for the weekend? > > Could we see certain talks repeated, say, from a celebrity speaker, > generous sponsor, etc? > > Tim > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Call for Papers for SOTM09 is now open
That's right - there's only 117 days until we start SOTMizing in Amsterdam. Details of the Call for Papers are here: http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/03/16/call-for-papers-for-the-stateofthemap-2009-is-now-open/ You can buy an early bird ticket for the recession beating price of *€ 85 *here until the 29th March: http://www.stateofthemap.org/register-now/ Please help make SOTM09 a truly international event and translate the call for papers to non-English language mailing lists. -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM: Latest Working Group Meeting
Igor - it works for me. Try again maybe? Nick On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Igor Shubovych wrote: > Seems, Register button doesn't work. > > Regards, > Igor > > 2009/3/11 Nick Black > >> Hello, >> Full minutes of the latest SOTM working group meeting are available here: >> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdfbm9s_4dq7jchhn >> >> Summary: >> >> * Registration is open, so tell everyone: >> http://www.stateofthemap.org/register-now/ >> * Early bird registration closes on the 29th March - so get moving >> * There is early interest from sponsors >> * There will be a new competition to create a refreshed logo - the winner >> win's free entry to the conference. More details will follow this week. >> * We're aiming to open the Call for Papers on the 16th March. >> >> What kind of themes do you want to see discussed at this year's >> conference? What talks worked for you, what excited you and what bored you? >> This is your chance to influence this years event. >> >> Please add all ideas below: >> >> >> >> -- >> Nick Black >> n...@osmfoundation.org >> twitter.com/nick_b >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM: Latest Working Group Meeting
Hello, Full minutes of the latest SOTM working group meeting are available here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhdfbm9s_4dq7jchhn Summary: * Registration is open, so tell everyone: http://www.stateofthemap.org/register-now/ * Early bird registration closes on the 29th March - so get moving * There is early interest from sponsors * There will be a new competition to create a refreshed logo - the winner win's free entry to the conference. More details will follow this week. * We're aiming to open the Call for Papers on the 16th March. What kind of themes do you want to see discussed at this year's conference? What talks worked for you, what excited you and what bored you? This is your chance to influence this years event. Please add all ideas below: -- Nick Black n...@osmfoundation.org twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: "We are the Wikipedia of maps"
This is coming from me as a long-term OSM contributer and CloudMade founder. First, its great that the overall tone of this thread is positive. It sounds like lots of people have experienced journalists misinterpreting things. In fact, the problem isn't journalists - I explain OSM, and particularly OSM + CloudMade to people everyday. Its quite a complex message to get across the first time. From a CloudMade perspective - we are absolutely looking at how CloudMade people represent OSM + CloudMade to the public and the press. There are two things I want to draw attention to. First, I really don't like the suggestion that anyone from CloudMade is mis-representing the situation. That is just not true. If anyone in the community feels that OSM is being mis-represented by anything anyone from CloudMade has said or done, then email me (n...@cloudmade.com) Steve (st...@cloudmade.com), Andy ( a...@cloudmade.com) or Jim (j...@cloudmade.com) and we'll look into it and let you know the outcome. Second, the fact is that CloudMade as a company is, and has been doing a lot to help OSM over the last few years. For the last two years, a large amount of both mine and Steve's time has been spent building and enabling OSM. For example, API 0.4 was developed largely by Steve and then tested and completed largely by Steve and me. Countless other OSM server improvements have been made possible because CloudMade people have found ways to make it happen. Multimap sponsorship ( http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=109), RightMove sponsorship ( http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=204) and countless other hours of OSM effort have been made possible by the efforts of CloudMade people. The huge number of talks, meetings and conferences that CloudMade people have participated in have been overwhelmingly positive for OpenStreetMap. This started with Steve and me and now includes the work of Andy, Matt, Shaun and Harry - all CloudMade developers who are working on API 0.6 in CloudMade time. Everyone at CloudMade is well aware that the community is the most important part of a project like OSM. So to help support the community we host OSM hack weekends, mapping parties in the EU and US, conferences (not just SOTM, but FOSS4G, Society of Cartographers and others) provide free hosting for CycleMap tiles that are heavily used by OSM and third party sites and donated significantly to the new OSM server. Because Steve and I knew that we couldn't think of everything to help OSM ourselves, we even set up a grants program to invite people ask for any kind of help with OSM projects. In addition, all CloudMade's commercial products like routing, geocoding and tile serving have been offered to the OSM-F for free use on OpenStreetMap.org. As for mapping parties, we have a team of 5 Community Ambassadors - Sarah, Russ, Hurricane, Dirk and Matt - who are working on overdrive to map the US. If you saw the passion and dedication of this team - not only for CloudMade but for OpenStreetMap and everything that the OpenStreetMap project stands for, you'd be amazed. What I'd ask is that the OSM community, particularly community leaders, look beyond slip-ups like the quotes in this article, and look at the enormous benefits that the involvement of organizations like CloudMade, GeoFabrik, ITO, AND and many of the other for-profit companies who are using OSM data can bring to the project. Hold these contributions up with the contributions of the other OSM leaders - the super mappers, coders and OSM-F members how pour unknown hours into creating OSM. I'd also really ask that anyone who has any questions, doubts or suspicions about CloudMade's role in relation to OSM speak to CloudMade people directly. There are a lot of us! We'd be happy to talk over email, Skype or even better meet in person. Happy mapping, Nick n...@cloudmade.com twitter.com/nick_b On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Stephen Hope wrote: > > And you can't always blame the journalists, either. Once they > > send their copy in, the editors can have a go at it as well. > > If I may speak up for editors, a lot of journalists could avoid this > unfortunate necessity by Actually Learning To Write. > > cheers > Richard > > (Incidentally, Tim is absolutely right: good, clear 'Notes to Editors' at > the end of releases are the way to go.) > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Cloudmade%3A-%22We-are-the-Wikipedia-of-maps%22-tp22445658p22452008.html > Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > OSM in 2009 > Took so little time > For the lists to get so pissed > But mercury is in retrogrades > (and I don't believe in that, ok, anyways) > Nothing a beer among comrades > Wouldn't fix, mighty quick > So welcome to all mappers and T B Lee > A new year of maps, open and free! > -Mikel > (I'm not saying that the rest of this thread should be poems, but I think it > would help) Mikel - you're the light at the end of our tunnel ;-) > > From: brendan barrett > To: Frederik Ramm > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:37:35 PM > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ... > > Perhaps my point hasn't gotten through properly. My intention is > merely to convey that this kind of language "we're just a bunch of > clueless fuckwits that are intent on buggering up > everything", does not help someone understand this "API 0.6 has been > available for testing and reviewing for a while now. If there is > somebody willing and able to review it they will have done so by now". > As a newbie to the project, this kind of language deters any kind of > participation in this forum due to fear of retribution. How do you > build credibility for a project when your public communications are > degrading? Rather not reply at all. > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Hi, >> >> brendan barrett wrote: >>> >>> I'm not going to speculate on the fruits of such an exercise. My point >>> is simply that if someone is willing to do so, then why stop them or >>> belittle their effort. >> >> True, and API 0.6 has been available for testing and reviewing for a while >> now. If there is somebody willing and able to review it they will have >> done >> so by now, and we won't stop them or belittle their effort! >> >> This is different from asking around whether somebody perhaps knows >> somebody >> who might be a database genius and who might perhaps be willing to lend us >> his ears so that we can explain to him what OSM is about, what we've done >> in >> the past, what we'll do with 0.6, and why and where we'd value his >> opinion. >> We might go to such lengths if we were in really deep shit and didn't know >> how to get out without external help, but I don't see a reason for that >> right now. >> >> I'm also a bit offended by the fact that people seem to think that anyone >> who has written a few RfCs must surely know people who can easily usher >> OSM >> into a new era by applying their vastly superior knowledge - and that's in >> spite of me not even having designed anything close to the heart of OSM. >> >> Finally, I think that Tim has a right to be a regular mapper like anyone >> else on this list, picking his area of interest and doing a little work >> there, without everyone challenging him to get involved more and to send >> his >> friends and organisations to help. Has it occurred to anybody that he >> might >> just be in it for a bit of recreation like so many of us? >> >> Bye >> Frederik >> >> -- >> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM-Foundation Local Chapters Draft Agreement
Hello, The first draft of an agreement that will pave the way for federated local chapters is ready for community consultation. The Local Chapters working group along with the OSM-F Board and other people in the OSM community have been working on the agreement over the last few months. To read more about the background, look here: http://www.blacksworld.net/blog/2008/12/11/osm-f-update-local-chapters-are-coming/ You can see the draft here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgdmw5gt_7gtj36hhh We're now asking for comments from the community. Please add any thoughts, questions or criticism you have to this thread or as changes to the document, which is attached. A preliminary timeline is as follows, but timing is very dependent on how many comments are received. Timeline: Public consultation - complete by mid Feb Second draft - end Feb Final document - early March The local chapters working group is: Nick Black (Chair) - n...@osmfoundation.org Mikel Maron - mikel_ma...@yahoo.com 80n - 80n...@gmail.com Henk Hoff - henk.h...@osmfoundation.org Simone Cortesi - sim...@cortesi.com Best, -- Nick Black n...@osmfoundation.org http://www.blacksworld.net OSM_Foundation_Federated_Chapeters_Draft_.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > >> The English version is clearly titled as I have already indicated >> "Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service". The main page heading says >> "Google Maps/Google Earth Terms and Conditions". > > > > That is a very interesting difference, and certainly put things in a > different light. I just double checked, and without explicitly > > > >> See[1]. That's clear enough to me, but maybe we should get Google to >> clarify these terms, and ensure other languages are also up‐to‐date? > > > A clarification would certainly be appreciated, especially since Google > Earth has a tracing tool that propbably has at least some legitimate usage. > Anyone having contacts in Google that could help clarify? > Why not ping the god father of geo: http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ > > > >> > These are the terms I have found for Google Earth: >> > http://earth.google.com/intl/en-US/license.html >> >> That mainly covers the Google Earth software and not much about the >> content. > > > I just double checked my (Norwegian) installation og Google Earth, and the > Norwegian translation of those are the only license terms referenced there. > > > - Gustav > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map domain... Have we lost it?
We haven't lost the domain. We've had problems with the MX and DNS on osmfoundation.org and stateofthemap.org - AndyR is fixing the problem right now. Cheers, On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:38:16PM +, Peter Miller wrote: > > Have we lost the State of the Map Domain recently? > > > > Google still quotes OSM content for the URL, but the URL itself now > > points to a link farm! > > http://www.stateofthemap.org/ > > I guess we did, then someone realised. Extracts from whois > stateofthemap.org: > >Domain Name:STATEOFTHEMAP.ORG >Created On:20-Nov-2006 13:40:10 UTC >Last Updated On:23-Dec-2008 17:13:33 UTC >Expiration Date:20-Nov-2010 13:40:10 UTC > >Registrant ID:GODA-057234937 >Registrant Name:Etienne Cherdlu >Registrant Organization:OpenStreetMap Foundation > > Note the Last Updated date. > -- > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a > simple system that works.—John Gall > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAklSWWUACgkQj6/6lS/XEIochACcC+lKSXiIVDv9Sp5OzQPEAwa4 > TkoAniGO26e3ILIc5/S7gdqwjpihRI5c > =qLVq > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Earth terms (was google wms)
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Simon Ward wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote: >> > In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth >> terms >> > that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very >> > clearly. >> >> Just searching for "google earth terms of service" gives (among other >> hits), a combined "Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service" that clearly >> restricts the making of derivative works[1]. >> >> [1]: http://maps.google.com/help/terms_maps.html > > > > Are those really terms for Google Earth and not for Google Maps? I get a > Norwegian translation on that URL, that does not mention Google Earth at > all. > The title of the page is: "Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service" - http://maps.google.com/help/terms_maps.html The paragraph starts: "By downloading, installing, or using the Google Earth software, accessing or using the Google Maps service" So yes, they are really the Google Earth Terms of Service. > > > These are the terms I have found for Google Earth: > http://earth.google.com/intl/en-US/license.html > > These mention that you can only use the images in the Software, which I > understand to allow tracing as long as it is done with the Google Earth > trace tool. > > - Gustav > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] google wms
Hi Kenneth, Thanks for bringing this up. I will pass this onto the Foundation team and get in touch with the person running the site. Have you tried to contact the site owner in the past? Best, On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have > brought > into OSM have stumbled across this site: > http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/ > and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped them. Can we > not > convince this gentleman to cease and desist? > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM09 - Hosts Announced
Hello, On behalf of the OSM-F, its great to be able to a announce that next year's State of the Map conference will be held in Amsterdam. The Amsterdam local committee is Henk Hoff, Floris Looijesteijn and Arjan Spigt. They put in a great bid which includes an extra day (Friday 10th) of talks that will be focussed on some of the emerging commercial uses of OSM. The Saturday and Sunday will take the winning formula of the last two years to deliver all of your OSM excitement. If you have requests or ideas, or want to help out with organising, check out the wiki page - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2009/organisation So, on the 10th, 11th, 12th July 2009, the centre of the mapping universe will be Amsterdam. Book your travel now. I'd also like to thank everyone involved in the Gran Canaria and Trentino bids - there were some really high quality applications and we spoilt for choice. See you all in Amsterdam. Nick Black n...@osmfoundation.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM-F Update: Local Chapters Working Group
Hello, The OSM-F Local Chapters working group met earlier this week to discuss setting up Local Chapters. What are local chapters? A Local Chapter is an official group of OSMers within a specific territory that is able to officially represent the OSM-F. Why do we need local chapters? Over the last 12 months many OSMers, especially those outside of the UK, have expressed interest in setting up official, local groups so that they can represent the OSM-F when talking to journalists, dealing with companies and governments, arranging mapping parties and conferences. From the Foundation's point of view, establishing Local Chapters will help to spread the load of work and will lead to the growth and development of OSM in new territories. Who can set-up a local chapter? A Local Chapter will have a similar organisational structure to the OSM-F. It will consist of a board of directors who should be democratically elected by the memebership. We'll let you know more details as they are decided, but for now if you are interested in setting up or being involved with a local chapter, please drop me an email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) What is the timeline for setting up local chapters? All dates are approximate and depend on the number of review cycles the agreement goes through. * Draft Local Chapters aggreement in please for OSM-F viewing by 22nd Dec (OSM-F Board Meeting) * First draft available for public comment in early Jan * Review comments Jan-Feb * Present revised edition to OSM-F for approval - Feb * Setting up of first local chapters, driven by local chapters themselves- Feb Who is in the Local Chapters Working Group? Nick Black (Chair) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mikel Maron - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80n - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henk Hoff - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simone Cortesi - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to help out? Got something to say? Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or reply to this thread. Best, -- Nick Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] State of the Map 2009 - Update
Hello, Here's a quick update on the planning of the State of the Map 2009: Proposals: We've received 3 proposals to host the conference in 2009 from Gran Canaria, Amsterdam and Trento (Italy) Working Group: Following last week's board meeting we established a working group to deal with the State of the Map 2009 organisation. The working group consists of Nick Black (Chair) - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Collinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Coast - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Waeit - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etienne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) will be looking after the finances from the OSM Foundation's stand point. I will get in touch with other volunteers once the organisation process propper gets under-way. The SOTM Working Group's role will be to coordinate and assist the organisation efforts of the local group. Timeline: Unfortunately we will not be announcing the host candidate today, as per the schedule. A decision will be made by the working group by the 15th December. The SOTM09 working group will be meeting to discuss the proposals over the next two weeks, so you'll be able to book your flights before christmas. Thanks, -- Nick Black OpenStreetMap Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM not acceptable for geocaching.com
Did you get anywhere with this? Have you tried emailing the admins at geocaching.com to see why they removed the cache? I'd love to hear more. Nick On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > 2008/11/15 Till Harbaum / Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > > > i have recently released a geocache which basically required you to look > up a certain node > > in the OSM database. The position of that node was then the place where > the geocache was > > hidden. Geocaching.com users can perhaps still read the original listing > at: > > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=80a9308b-6719-485d-a0dc-846798a8cac2 > > Through a bug in their site code, the original listing is visible > here: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cdpf.aspx?guid=80a9308b-6719-485d-a0dc-846798a8cac2 > > > Geocaching.com recently completely deleted that cache antry as they claim > that it forces you to use a certain > > software (a web browser!!!) and a certain web service. > > They have un-published the listing, an event that occurs not very > often - usually only if the reviewer who published it realises they > made a mistake soon after. > The specific guideline reads something like caches that require > (unusual) third party software to be installed are not permitted, > there's also a similar rule about cache perminance in terms of > external resources on the net - eg hosting an mp3 on a personal > website will not be acceptable as a part of the 'puzzle' as they have > a habit of falling offline. > > > This is a strange explanation as geocaches requesting you to find a > certain image on google earth > > are pretty common. On the other hand Geocaching.com seems to have a > business with google. This > > may be the explanation why they don't like to deal with openstreetmap. I > really wonder if > > it's google behind this. > > They have business with Google as far as using their Maps API, > publishing KML files, and using AdWords, I don't think they have any > further links with them. > > > This includes quite extreme behaviour on the GC.com side as they are not > using their usual methods > > of disabling or archiving caches. Instead they reset their entire > database with respect to this > > cache to the state before it was published. It's like they really want to > clean all traces related to > > this geocache. > > "The GC.com" side is usually just a volunteer reviewer rather than one > of the company's employees. As noted, caches can be removed completely > from the site - 'unpublished' on the event of the reviewer making a > mistake. > > > IMHO a very interesting issue and may mean that google sees a serious > competitor arriving ... > > Not in my view. > > > Till > > I'm asking some contacts I have to see if I can get the full logs for > publishing and subsequent removal of it to see if a reason is further > given. > > -- > Regards, > Thomas Wood > (Edgemaster) > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
Hi guys, I'm entering the fray pretty late - this one is from my CloudMade perspective. CloudMade has an iPhone API that's been available as a private pre-Alpha for a month or so now - we announced to http://lists.cloudmade.comin late Oct. Its still a closed library whilst we're adding some more features - but we have a very lenient access policy for OSMers. An iPhone based editing app would certainly be usefull. I think the way to go would be to target mainstream iPhone users and give them a super easy to use interface to allow people add and edit POIs. Its definitely a gamble getting apps into the appstore, but there's no particular reason why an app like this wouldn't make it. AFAIK the major blocker to an app like this is the lack of remote auth in the OSM API? So far as CloudMade developing the app, its a great idea - maybe Shaun could write it this weekend ;-) As well as supporting our own library for iPhone development, we've added support for CloudMade tiles into route-me, so you can get OSM goodness from Joseph's fast, low level library. As we release more APIs we'll offer to add support for them into route-me as well as our own API - so we're totally backing the project. Rather than us build our own OSM editing app, it would be great for us to support a community created & maintained version of the app. We could provide hosting, help dealing with Apple registration, art-work, UI assistance, sponsorship, promotion - whatever it takes. We'd be happy to let the app use our community tiles - an iphone editing app with no-names tiles would be nice. Any budding iPhone developers out there want to take up the challenge? Cheers, On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can suppress that, but the performance is pretty crappy. > > -J > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Joe Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can get python installed if your iphone is jailbroken via the Cydia > installer (apt-get Debian style but for the iPhone). I think you're > imagining a slippy map via the browser though right? The problem is that > when you drag on the browser, it scrolls the view (rather than activating a > mouse-down event, which would scroll the map). > > > > > > > > = > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 01:41:56PM +0100, John07 wrote: > >> I thought of the same thing many times in the past. Such a app would be > >> very cool. > >> There are also the some webapps for a slippy map, but the usability > >> isn?t that good. > > > > Has the iphone python? Check pymap in the svn repository, it is basically > a slippy map that will cache all the downloaded tiles. It should be easy to > add a downloader for a certain region for predownloading. > > > > But it has the same functionality/usability as a stock slippy map. > > > > spaetz > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM to .. Only Garmin
Hi Tanveer, Speaking from a CloudMade perspective, we went with Garmin IMG because its the most popular type of hand held GPS device in the UK/EU. Is the situation different in India - what are the popular devices there? If there is enough demand CloudMade can support other formats as well. Best, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Gosmore should run on most igo and > route66 devices, but it's not as fully featured as a commercial product. > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Tanveer Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> I am a recent user of openstreetmap, and map the Delhi, India area. >> I was going through the data, and the wiki, and it seems that if you >> have a garmin GPS, OSM data is useful, as cloudmade and others provide >> img files, and you can create your own , however if you have other >> software like igo/route66/magellen etc., its an uphill task. >> Is there a page hidden somewhere in the WIKI which has details about >> other GPS systems etc., >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSMers - The State of the Map needs you!
OSMers - The State of the Map needs you! You've all heard about SOTM07 in Manchester, and SOTM08 in Ireland. The stories of inspiring talks, luscious lunches, evenings filled with talk of tagging and debate over who has the most accurate GPS chipset. If you are a local OSM community leader, mapping champion or passionate organiser this is your opportunity to host the State of the Map 2009. OpenStreetMap is growing fast - with over 70,000 members the State of the Map 2009 is going to be a major event. This is your chance to drive the future direction of free maps and host The State of the Map 2009. You have just over two weeks until the call for venues closes (16th November) and you lose the opportunity to host the world's leading community mapping conference in 2009. For more information, take a look at http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=318 . To apply, or for more information email Nick - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nick Black - OSMF [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM with complete road data
On 10/29/08, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Black wrote: > > > > Guys - I reccomended that Andre ping the list. He's been doing all > > this mapping in Namibia, a lot of it converted from other (license > > compatible) data he's been collecting. Because of poor network speeds > > and bandwidth restrictions its impossible for him to now upload the > > data he has to OSM central. > > > > If some of us can help him out we can get a great map of Namibia to work > with. > > > > The obvious solution is for whoever's looking after dev now to give him an > account on dev, then he can upload the file to dev and run the bulk importer > there. Think the issue is that the data needs to have some manual attention before uploading. Andre: Why not prepare the whole Namibia file in JOSM locally, merge any changes, save to .osm, compress and upload to dev and run bulk importer? Nick > > Tom > > -- > Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > http://www.compton.nu/ > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM with complete road data
Guys - I reccomended that Andre ping the list. He's been doing all this mapping in Namibia, a lot of it converted from other (license compatible) data he's been collecting. Because of poor network speeds and bandwidth restrictions its impossible for him to now upload the data he has to OSM central. If some of us can help him out we can get a great map of Namibia to work with. Volunteers? Cheers, On 10/29/08, Andre Schoonbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi List > > > > I have for the past year collected almost all the roads data (national and > residential) for Namibia. This data was in shp format. I then used osm2shp > to convert this to OSM format. But this file now is 240MB (Zipped 34MB). Due > to bandwidth constrain there is no way I could upload the OSM file (240MB). > Is there a way or someone that could help to load the file if I sent the > zipped file? It will mean that most of the roads that is currently in OSM > for Namibia could be deleted and replaced with this new data set. The data > is very complete and accurate. > > > > Andre > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 3563 (20081028) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] State of the Map 2009 - Call for Venues / Dates confirmed
Hello, The Call for Venues for the SOTM09 is now open. If you want to host the world's greatest open map fest, take a look here: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=318 To get involved with organising, take a look here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2009/Planning The dates have been fixed on the 11th - 12th July 2009. See you all there, wherever that may be. "The call for venues for the State of the Map 2009 is now open. If you would like to be considered as a host for the event, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with the following details: * Name of the group or individual applying * Names and email addresses of the proposed organising committee along with a brief description of their OSM activities to date * Name, address and short description of the proposed conference venue * Why do you want to host the State of the Map 2009? * How will you make the State of the Map 2009 the best yet? * What makes your bid different from the others? * What will you do to raise sponsorship or other funding for the event? The dates for the conference have been set to the 11th - 12th July 2009 - so book your time off work now! The provisional time line is as follows: * 16th October - Call for venues opens * 16th November - Call for venues closes * 29th November - Successful host is notified * 1st December - Venue publicly announced If you are interested in helping out in the organizational efforts of SOTM09, take a look at the conference wiki." -- Nick Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Derived work fun
I saw this. It doesn't seem to square with things that Ed has suggested before. At SOTM08 he said that placing a pin on the map made it a derived work and was very unclear about the ownership. In your legal opinion - ;-) - can you both "own" data which you place on a gmap? Cheers, On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ > > cheers > Richard > > > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] OSM Foundation updates
Hello, I'm keeping a public record of the OSM-F work I'm involved in, so you can see where your hard won votes go. Link: http://www.blacksworld.net/blog/category/osmf-work/ Feed (for RSS readers): http://blacksworld.net/blog/category/osmf-work/feed Cheers, -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map 2009 - Date Check / pre-call for venues
Judging from the replies the 11th - 12th July are good for SOTM09, with the possibility of adding days either side for un-conferences, mapping, workshops etc. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Inge Wallin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 24 September 2008 12:46:44 Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: >> El Miércoles, 24 de Septiembre de 2008, Nick Black escribió: >> > We're aiming to open the call for venues in early October (next week >> > ideally), so please let me know if the 11th - 12th July are bad for >> > you. >> >> While we're discussing the dates for SOTM09, I'd like to propose expanding >> the conferences to three days. I don't know if more people had the feeling >> that two days aren't enough. >> >> A formula that has been tested and proven is to let the actual conferences >> sit in the weekend (11th-12th jul), and plan a "workshop day" the day >> before (i.e. 10th jul). This way, lots of workshops could be programmed, >> without overlapping the talks. >> >> Does this sound right? > > I would instead propose that the talks come first and that the workshop day(s) > come afterwards. Why? Because often a lot of new ideas come up during and > because of the talks, and it is a pity if there is no time afterwards to > discuss them. > > The big KDE conference Akademy uses this formula, but the workshops are often > drawn out over several days. It's extremely successful. See > http://akademy2008.kde.org/ for this years programme. > >-Inge > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes - Update
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Lambertus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Black wrote: >> >> Hi Lambertus - YOURS gets more awesome by the day. I just figured out >> how to cut my journey to work by 1km. >> > :) > >> Could you add the no-names layer to the GUI? It would be useful to >> spec out the potential for en-route mapping whilst planning a route. >> > Yep. > >> Also, I think I should be able to download the GPX, then load it onto >> a Garmin as a route and use it for kind-of routing on the device >> whilst cycling. > > That used to be possible (at least on WinXP, FF2 and reasonably short > routes). But since I switched to Vista and FF3 I get security interrupting > the download process. This just needs a different implementation. Were you using the Garmin web connector? > >> GPS Babel stalls when I try this though. Has anyone >> tried this out? If I get it to work I'll write some documentation to >> go with the site, if this would be useful? >> > Yes, documentation would be useful, I'll add a link to the wiki page. I > thought about this before, but I would like to somehow export the content > from a wiki page to the site automatically. This would allow easy > collaboration on e.g. the help section. But I haven't found a solution yet. > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes - Update
Hi Lambertus - YOURS gets more awesome by the day. I just figured out how to cut my journey to work by 1km. Could you add the no-names layer to the GUI? It would be useful to spec out the potential for en-route mapping whilst planning a route. Also, I think I should be able to download the GPX, then load it onto a Garmin as a route and use it for kind-of routing on the device whilst cycling. GPS Babel stalls when I try this though. Has anyone tried this out? If I get it to work I'll write some documentation to go with the site, if this would be useful? Nick On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Lambertus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I'm not sure what is the status and goal of this site, so I don't know >> how interested you might be in "bug reports", but I just tried to get >> a fastest car route from Montréal Québec to New Haven, Connecticut, and >> the route stops in the middle of nowhere. The "shortest" route seems >> OK, except it uses way too many little roads. >> >> Just for kicks, I also tried the fastest bicycle route from Montréal to >> Buenos Aires and it similarly stops in the middle of nowhere. >> > > Status: > - Website: heavily in development > - Routing engine: don't know (not maintained by me) > > Goal: > Use OpenStreetMap data to make a routing website utilizing as much other > (opensource) services/application as possible. I develop *only* the glue > logic; the webinterface. > > I'm always interested in bug reports, suggestions or code snippets but I > don't maintain the routing engine. > > Regarding your route from Montreal - New Haven, works for me. > fastest: > <http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=41.308153&flon=-72.928158&tlat=45.531875&tlon=-73.636881&v=motorcar&fast=1&layer=mapnik> > > Shortest: > <http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=41.308153&flon=-72.928158&tlat=45.531875&tlon=-73.636881&v=motorcar&fast=0&layer=mapnik> > > If a route stops somewhere between the start and stop coordinates then > the routing engine (Gosmore) wasn't able to calculate a complete route > and returns it's best solution (which might be using a lot of small > roads even when you chose 'fastest'). In case of Montreal - Buenos Aires > this is caused there isn't a continuing connecting road between those > cities. Especially in Central America there is a lot of 'here be > dragons' land. This effectively prevents routing between North and South > America. > > Although I've put some working long distance examples below there are > also situations where Gosmore just seems to 'give up' while a route is > possible. Example: just try to route from Berlin to Madrid (type those > names to get the coordinates). Gosmore is not able to return a complete > route but routes from Madrid to Amsterdam and from Amsterdam to Berlin > (or Madrid - Geneve - Berlin and many other in-betweens) are working > just fine. > > Some other examples: > Glasgow - London > <http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=55.79274&flon=-4.354897&tlat=51.389725&tlon=-0.114174&v=motorcar&fast=1&layer=mapnik> > > GB: Northeastern tip - Southwestern tip, 1445km > <http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=58.642109&flon=-3.068728&tlat=50.066191&tlon=-5.700649&v=motorcar&fast=1&layer=mapnik> > > Europe: Amsterdam - Madrid, 2056km > <http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.36227&flon=4.798082&tlat=40.409275&tlon=-3.710699&v=motorcar&fast=1&layer=mapnik> > > There are also other routing 'problems' (weird route decisions) which > are difficult to explain, so I'll create a wiki page for that where they > can be gathered which might help to solve common problems. > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map 2009 - Date Check / pre-call for venues
Just to clarify - at this stage all we're asking is whether the 11th - 12th July are particularly bad dates (eg National Foo Day or something) for anyone who is thinking about submitted a proposal. The actual call for venues will go out in the next couple of weeks time - and absolutely every nation, regions, OSM group on earth is welcome to apply. Nick On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Simone Cortesi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Nick Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We're aiming to open the call for venues in early October (next week >> ideally), so please let me know if the 11th - 12th July are bad for >> you. >> >> If you are interested in helping out with organisation, or want to >> keep an eye on things, there is a very rough timetable on the wiki: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2009/Planning. > > We are going to bid for SOTM09, the selected city is Trento, the Bruno > Kessler Foundation <http://www.fbk.eu/about> will support us with > logistics and organization. > > Dates are fine to us. > > -S > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] State of the Map 2009 - Date Check / pre-call for venues
Hello, At the OSMF meeting yesterday evening we talked briefly about the State of the Map 2009. This years event was awesome, and next years will be even better. The Foundation will be opening the call for venues in the next couple of weeks. Before we do that, I'd like to ask anyone who is considering putting together a hosting proposal to confirm that dates of the 11th and 12th July 2009 work for them. We're aiming to open the call for venues in early October (next week ideally), so please let me know if the 11th - 12th July are bad for you. If you are interested in helping out with organisation, or want to keep an eye on things, there is a very rough timetable on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2009/Planning. Cheers, -- Nick Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Navit format downloads
Patrick - could you send over a shapefile so I can take a look at the kind of richness you are talking aobut? On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Patrick Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick > > At the moment I feel that the shapefile export files you produce are way too > limited to be of much use in GIS processing. The problem is that you are > very restrictive in terms of the attributes you attach to the geometry, and > vice versa the amount of geometry you exclude based on not supported > attributes. > I know that if you were to include all geometry and more importantly all > attributes, than the shapefiles would become much bigger and lots of GIS > systems would struggle to cope with the huge tables. > > I propose as I have done for my OSM to Manifold GIS importer, to create one > shapefile for points, lines, polygons, include in those shapefiles crucially > OSM ID as well as the most commonl y used tags (highway, amenity, name, > landuse ). > But then create a CSV file that will hold triplets of OSM ID, key, value to > hold *all* of the remaining attribute data. That way, any information that a > user might be interested in can easily be linked back to the geometry using > the OSM ID. > > Hope that helps > > Cheers > Patrick > > Nick Black wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Over at downloads.cloudmade.com, we've just added Navit format files >> for most countries of the world derived from OSM data. The Navit >> files will be updated each week, shortly after planet is released. We >> had a quick look at Navit on Frday afternoon - the files load and >> allow routing, but there are a few rough edges, like flight paths in >> Germany. >> >> Navit's been around for a while now and it seems like a cool project. >> Are many people in OSM using it regularly? If so, what platforms are >> you using it on? It would be awesome to get it running on Open Tom - >> its Linux / GTK based, so this should be feasible. >> >> You can grab the Europe Navit file from : >> >> http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe >> >> The format was requested by Wolfgang Silbermayr from the Navit >> project. I'd love to host more formats, so please shout out if >> there's something else that would be useful. >> >> >> > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Navit format downloads
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Direct to llustrator (AI) format - with information layered. > This would hugely advance the potential for takeup of the data by > "traditional cartographers". Steve - do you have any sample AI files that show the kind of layering you're talking about? Nick > > Cheers > STEVE > > Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow > Manager of e-Learning Academic Development > Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement > Middlesex University > phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp > > Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ > > SoC conference 2008: > http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Black > Sent: 22 September 2008 13:07 > To: OSM Talk > Subject: [OSM-talk] Navit format downloads > > Hello, > > Over at downloads.cloudmade.com, we've just added Navit format files > for most countries of the world derived from OSM data. The Navit > files will be updated each week, shortly after planet is released. We > had a quick look at Navit on Frday afternoon - the files load and > allow routing, but there are a few rough edges, like flight paths in > Germany. > > Navit's been around for a while now and it seems like a cool project. > Are many people in OSM using it regularly? If so, what platforms are > you using it on? It would be awesome to get it running on Open Tom - > its Linux / GTK based, so this should be feasible. > > You can grab the Europe Navit file from : > > http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe > > The format was requested by Wolfgang Silbermayr from the Navit > project. I'd love to host more formats, so please shout out if > there's something else that would be useful. > > > -- > Nick Black > > http://www.cloudmade.com > http://www.blacksworld.net > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Navit format downloads
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El Lunes, 22 de Septiembre de 2008, Steve Chilton escribió: >> Direct to llustrator (AI) format - with information layered. >> This would hugely advance the potential for takeup of the data by >> "traditional cartographers". > > After coding an OSM WMS, Is this in SVN? I've been thinking into coding a OSM-to-WFS(-T) > interface of sorts. The idea is just clouds in the sky for now, but would be > useful for a lot of "arcgis cartographers". > > Thus, I'm proposing that GML should be a supported format, paving the way to a > live WFS service, and to an "export to shapefile" function. Most modern GIS > software is able to deal with GML, and people working with ArcGIS (or > whatever) should be able to easily export to AI (or whatever). Why not just download an OSM shapefile and import to ArcGIS? > > Cheers, > -- > -- > Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Now listening to: Paul Schwartz & Mario Grigorov - Aria (1997) - [6] Pamina > Blue (6:04) (0.00%) > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Navit format downloads
Hello, Over at downloads.cloudmade.com, we've just added Navit format files for most countries of the world derived from OSM data. The Navit files will be updated each week, shortly after planet is released. We had a quick look at Navit on Frday afternoon - the files load and allow routing, but there are a few rough edges, like flight paths in Germany. Navit's been around for a while now and it seems like a cool project. Are many people in OSM using it regularly? If so, what platforms are you using it on? It would be awesome to get it running on Open Tom - its Linux / GTK based, so this should be feasible. You can grab the Europe Navit file from : http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe The format was requested by Wolfgang Silbermayr from the Navit project. I'd love to host more formats, so please shout out if there's something else that would be useful. -- Nick Black http://www.cloudmade.com http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
Steve - are there any more details / photos etc about this? Nick On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll give my public thanks to Steve here, not only for collecting the > award but also for the original mapnik layer on which the cycle map > was originally based. > > And of course, the thousands of people who have contributed directly > or indirectly to the map itself, which would be a bit barren > otherwise! > > Cheers, > Andy > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic >> Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping >> category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner >> and accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be >> there. Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we >> met the criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation >> and generation of the project. We were in a category against some >> heavyweight commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are >> available. This is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the >> excellence of this particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, >> and all others who have had input to this particular development. A photo of >> the presentation and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon >> as it is available and full details of the awards and the winners will be >> linked from there too. >> >> Cheers >> STEVE >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Opencyclemap commended in BCS Awards
Its great to see the cycle map being recognised by the BCS. This is a fantastic commendation for Andy A, Dave Stubbs and for OSM. Good work! On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Steve Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Opencyclemap has received a Commended Award in the British Cartographic > Society annual awards. It was in the Avenza-sponsored Electronic Mapping > category. Last night I was a guest of the BCS at their annual gala dinner and > accepted the award on behalf of Andy Allan, who was not able to be there. > Andy and I had put the application together, carefully ensuring we met the > criteria of the awards, and providing full details of the gestation and > generation of the project. We were in a category against some heavyweight > commercial entries, as you may see when the full results are available. This > is fantastic recognition from peer cartographers of the excellence of this > particular use of OSM data. So, congratulations to Andy, and all others who > have had input to this particular development. A photo of the presentation > and the actual citation will be put up on the blog as soon as it is available > and full details of the awards and the winners will be linked from there too. > > Cheers > STEVE > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What should the OSMF be doing?
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Mikel Maron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> can you go into some more detail how you aim to achieve those? they're >> all worthy aims; i particularly think osm needs to spread beyond europe, >> for a variety of reasons > > Personally, this past year I've been doing a great deal of outreach, > training in promotion in the developing world. Spent a month leading > OpenStreetMap mapping parties all across India. Worked with a group in > Myanmar to set up OSM, and at the same time helped facilitate integration > with the open source disaster management system Sahana. Last month I held a > mapping party in Cairo. And right now, I'm in Amman, Jordan looking into > mapping here, and soon the West Bank. Next month, we're travelling to > Southern Africa, for FOSS4G, and plan to hold a series of OSM events. Will > probably revisit India as well. Have ongoing discussions with the UN on data > sharing, and we did get Sudan imported from them earlier this year. > > From the Foundation, I think there's a number of things we can do. The > GPSTogo program is great, and we should expand that. I'd also like to > facilitate learning exchanges -- once you've mapped your home town, we can > connect volunteers to help run mapping parties in some other unmapped part > of the world. And we should bring motivated mappers from other parts of the > world to established communities; the next SOTM should have much better > representation from the developing world. We would try to locate funding > specifically to cover these travel expenses; and there are a number of NGOs > and Foundations and corporations we could approach. > > Membership drives and local chapters of some kind will help as well. I lean > towards setting a set of guidelines for local chapters to operate by, and > more courtesy recognition, rather than some official process of approval. > But there may be a place for formal recognition, for instance in > representing OSM to local governments. Open for discussion. > > Dispute resolution. There's been a great deal of discussion, opinions and > recommendations for dealing with edit wars. The spectrum of approaches > should be collected and summarized, opened to some kind of comment period > from the membership, then decided by the Foundation. Or perhaps we would > open the options to a direct vote by the membership. Really, I think the > Foundation should endeavor to not take on additional authority unless > absolutely necessary, and I'd want this process and result to reflect that > guideline. Once decided, any technical solutions would become high priority > development tasks. > > Finally, for data liberation, a white paper outlining OpenStreetMap and its > goals, the arguments for freeing data, with case studies on, and interviews > of, AND and the Canadian mapping agency (or another government entity). The > goal would be a short paper which could be presented to governments and > companies when discussions are opened on freeing data. A white paper like this is a great aim, its something I'd definitely like to be involved with. One of the problems when explaining OSM to external bodies is the level of fuzziness. For some very good reasons (eg lack of case law) there are often to hard and fast answers to questions like "can I use an OSM map on TV" or "is my license compatible". Anything the OSMF can do to codify the less fuzzy bits and to help people find their way through the fuzziness will really help OSM to grow. > > > Looking at these, it's a very tall order, more than I could do alone. So as > for all Foundation activities [http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=292], I'd be > inviting volunteers to help with these efforts. > > -Mikel > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What should the OSMF be doing?
Erik, Some answers below: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Erik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Nick Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Some ideas I have include regular >> email updates and blog posts that summarise the different projects >> that the Foundation are working on. > > Do you have any experience with this? Yes, together with Barry Crabtree I used to write weekly reviews of the OSM mailing list on OpenGeoData (eg http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=206). I kept the reviews up for a couple of months, but longer term than that is unsustainable. For the OSMF I'd try to encourage more participation in writing updates like this and probably send them out less often so that the work doesn't become overwhelming. I'm asking because I know this > is something many people promise when they get elected to a board, but > then never have time for. If you have experience with it I'm sure you > can manage, but if not you should be aware that it's a lot harder than > you might think. I speak from experience, while working for my student > union we hired a communicator to get the word out, it helped but even > with a full time employee it was hard to get enough info out to the > members. > > About State of the map, seems to have been a very successful event. I > wish I could have gone to them. > > I'm very happy you are running for board member, your agenda seems sane. > > /Emj > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] What should the OSMF be doing?
Hello, Elections for the OSMF are coming up with nominations closing on the 25th August. I'm standing for election this year as a board member and I think its important for OSMF's representatives to state their positions and let the OSMF members know who and what they are electing to help look after the Foundation: Here's a summary of what I would aim to achieve over a year as an OSMF board member: * State Of The Map organisation. I aim to help the conference grow by supporting the community in choosing a venue, organising logistics, helping with call for papers, helping with website set up and anything else needed by the hosts, whoever they may be. I've helped out with the organisation of the last two conferences, both of which have been highlights of my time working with OSM. I'd like to the last two years of experiences to make sure that SOTM09 is even better than the last two years. * Accountability and communitcation for OSMF. Its understandable that in a busy, volunteer based organisation like the Foundation, communication of work and aims becomes secondary to actually achieving the aims. I'd like to help the Foundation communicate more effectively with its membership. Some ideas I have include regular email updates and blog posts that summarise the different projects that the Foundation are working on. * Promoting OSM. One of the important roles of the Foundation is representing OSM at conferences, shows and developer meetups around the world and most importantly helping to support other OSMers in their promotion of the project. Attracting and looking after new mappers is going to be really important in helping us create a free map of the world. There are more details on my blog (http://www.blacksworld.net/blog/2008/08/09/openstreetmap-foundation-elections/) and on my wiki page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Nickb). If you have any questions, please add to this thread or drop me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or on skype: nickb_sk. Finally, thanks to TomH and Dutch for proposing me. -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] FW: BBC 'Britain From Above'
Very pretty - will be worth a watch. Wonder if they will acknowledge Cab Spotting (http://cabspotting.org/), Aaron Koblin's Flight tracking (http://www.aaronkoblin.com/work/flightpatterns/index.html), Steve and Tom's ecourier animation (http://www.ecourier.co.uk/media/eCourier_GPS.mpeg) as inspiration. On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Paul Jaggard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting clip from the BBC: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7539529.stm > > It's a plug for a programme, 'Britain From Above', which starts 10th August, > but the trailer alone is worth watching for some lovely GPS-derived > visualisations. > > Paul > (aka southglos) > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenMoonMap
Spotted this this-morning. http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2008/07/28/lasois Get ready for the scramble for domain registration... -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] poster things
http://www.flickr.com/photos/copetersen/2661105419/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/routebuddy/2671110136/ They were very nice. Who made them? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > anyone have any photos with those poster stand things that were at > SOTM that looked like they were for conference booths? > > there was one to the right of the projector screen the whole time > > Best > > Steve > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick
Ok - everyone who posts a Limerick has to recite it on Sunday morning before the talks start ;-) We'll skype you in if you're not there. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/25 Mike Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 3) Obscure jargon-ridden limericks that no-one except hard core OSM >> mappers would understand. > > Back home, my Navi in bad weather > I launched the JOSM updater, > ready to grind, > only to find > "API 500 - try again later" > > -- > -- > Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM Workshop & Splash Screen requests
Hello, We have a couple of requests for SOTM stuff: 1) Workshops - there is time and space set aside for workshops during SOTM. So far we've had a suggestion from Frederik for a workshop on Relations which seems to have been well received. Add ideas or firm proposals to this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2008/Workshops 2) Splash screen images - it would be cool to get some images to show between talks and sessions. A kind of collage of cool OSM images / animations. If anyone has ideas / images / animations, please send them into me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget - SOTM is only a couple of weeks away - http://www.stateofthemap.org/ Cheers, -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM: Relations workshop
This sounds cool, I'd certainly be interested. If you'd like to go ahead with the workshop, please add it here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2008 On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> if time permits, I'd like to use some time at SOTM to have a little >>> discussion about relations: >>> >>> * how are relations already used, how good does it work? >>> * what additional uses do we want to push? >>> * what kind of editor do we need for those - good ways to hide >>> gory details from users like Potlatch does with the simple route >>> relations - can this be done for turn restrictions etc. as well? >>> * what kind of renderer support do we need? >>> * does anything have to be changed about relations (some have called >>> for ordered relations)? >>> >>> and so on. >>> >>> I'll set a date and location for this when I'm there; I assume there >>> will be some provisions for "workshop"-type events much like we had >>> last year, so we'll just do this in parallel to the talks somewhere, >>> and details will be posted there and then. >>> >>> Everyone welcome - especially those who use relations and those who >>> implement their use in editors/renderers/scripts. >>> >>> Bye >>> Frederik >> >> In regards to simplifying turn restrictions, it might be helpful to look at >> a model like GPSMapEdit [1] uses--basically a rendering of each possible >> turn at an intersection with checkboxes to select which ones are restricted. > > Sounds interesting UI. Have you got a screenshot? > > On the wider topic, I'd love to be involved in the discussion, > especially for route relations - so someone pester me if it looks like > I'm going to miss it. I currently process them using two methodologies > (one for garmin maps, a different one for the cycle map), and I'm keen > to find out what other methodologies are being used. > > Cheers, > Andy > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SotM: From Asia
Hiroshi, Drop me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with some talk details and I'll try and slot you into thw program. Nick On 6/16/08, chippy chippy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/16/08, Hiroshi Miura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, > > Hello again! (we met in Japan) > >> I and my friend decided to join SotM from Japan. >> There will be chance to report and present a situation of OSM in Japan >> and east Asia. >> I wanna learn your experience, too. > >> Then now, I have a stupid question. What are you interested in Asia? >> China and great fire wall? >> Activity in Asia and Japan? Trends on technologies? > > > I find the unique structure of the highly dense three dimensional > cities in Japan and in Asia of interest. Mainly because they provide a > challenge to OSM & traditional 2-dimensional web maps that still use > the paper model of maps. And partly because they are so very unique > environments. (Very dense urban environments, multiple privatized > railways/subways, multi level underground streets, multiple land uses > on several floors, gps problems, navigation and routing) > > Connected to this, perhaps something about the use of Personal > Navigation Devices, on phones etc, as it seems more advanced than in > Europe. (More advanced than the iphone?) > > other things: > Of course, present activity would be very interesting, how fast it's > growing, how mapping parties went, hints & tips, addresses etc. > > I think it's also interesting to see what the political situation in > Japan and other Asian countries, with regards geodata & national > mapping agencies, if there are any barriers or assistances. > > cheers, > > Tim > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Cool - its all working now. Is there any cache expiry for tiles or is it a case of deleting the tile directory? Cheers, On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Sebastian Spaeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Black wrote: >> Great idea - this could be really useful. >> >> I get lots of errors running on OS X 10.5.2 though: > >> File "./pymap", line 47, in do_GET >> if e.errno == os.errno.ENOENT: >> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'errno' >> > > I guess this should work on all (unixy) OS then: > > -import urllib,re,os,sys,stat > +import urllib,re,os,sys,stat,errno > - if e.errno != os.errno.EEXIST > + if e.errno != errno.EEXIST > - if e.errno == os.errno.ENOENT > + if e.errno == errno.ENOENT > > > I updated the tar ball on dev.openstreetmap.org as well. > > spaetz > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Great idea - this could be really useful.
I get lots of errors running on OS X 10.5.2 though:
Exception happened during processing of request from ('127.0.0.1', 63833)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/SocketServer.py",
line 222, in handle_request
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/SocketServer.py",
line 241, in process_request
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/SocketServer.py",
line 254, in finish_request
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/SocketServer.py",
line 522, in __init__
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/BaseHTTPServer.py",
line 316, in handle
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/BaseHTTPServer.py",
line 310, in handle_one_request
File "./pymap", line 47, in do_GET
if e.errno == os.errno.ENOENT:
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'errno'
$ python --version
Python 2.5
Any ideas?
Cheers,
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Sebastian Spaeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Frustrated by the lack of a nice map viewing tool for my eee pc, I have
>> written my own hack. It's a local OpenLayers installation that is served
>> by a python script (stock python, no additional libs). If the tile does
>> not exist yet, it will be downloaded from the OSM tile server and be
>> stored locally, so those tiles will be available for offline viewing.
>> Tiles will be downloaded and stored in a directory called 'tiles' in the
>> pyweb directory. If anybody finds it useful that is cool, otherwise I
>> have just scratched my itch.
>
> I'll need to check this out - I've found it frustrating trying to demo
> the map even if I'm carrying my laptop around. On the vague chance
> that there's wireless available, all I get is "ooh, that's really
> slow" when it's the crappy wireless that's the problem :-) Simple
> local caching sounds good.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
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[OSM-talk] The State of Your Map
Hello, One of the coolest things about SOTM07 was hearing from OSMers in different countries all around the world. Over the last 12 months we've expanded even futher into the un-openly-mapped regions of the planet. So far we have people from Germany & Spain talking about the mapping efforts in those countries, but there are many, many more countries with growing OSM communities. So if your country isn't represented yet, why not sign up to give a talk at this years SOTM? Tell us about how you've been building an OSM community, where you've been getting data from, the local problems you've faced or your plans for the future. National flags / clothing / food / drink are welcome to support your talk (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisfleming/822324177/) Sign up here: http://www.stateofthemap.org/registration/ If you can't make it to Ireland but would like to help out, you can send a message to your local list asking for volunteers to give a talk. -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Registration for SOTM08 is now open
Thats right, sign up now for a special early bird discount. This years conference is going to be even better than last years, so come and join us on the 12th-13th July 2008 in Limerick, Ireland. To register as a delegate, follow this link: http://www.stateofthemap.org/registration/ To submit a talk or workshop, follow this link: http://www.stateofthemap.org/call-for-papers/ See you there, -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: [OSGeo-Announce] geocamp2008: Call for Presentations/Workshops
Any OSMers around Ottawa, Canada in early June want to represent at OSGeo? -- Forwarded message -- From: Frank Warmerdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:58 AM Subject: [OSGeo-Announce] geocamp2008: Call for Presentations/Workshops To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A friendly reminder of osbootcamp/geocamp2008 on June 2nd and 3rd in Ottawa, Canada. Attendance is free, and there are cool prizes to be won! Accommodation options have been added to the site for those coming from out of town. http://www.osbootcamp.org/osbootcamp6.html Don't forget to join the mailing list to ensure you get information about the event, and so we can estimate likely attendance. http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/bootcamp08/ At this time we would like to issue a call for presentations and workshops. Suggested topics: Software & Projects (Mapserver, Mapguide, OpenLayers, GDAL/OGR, GEOS, Mapbender, Mapbuilder, GRASS, FDO, OSSIM, gvSVIG) any other open source Geospatial projects I haven't suggested. Teaching using open source geospatial software Making money using open source geospatial software Saving lives, money, or the environment using open source geospatial software Issues with open source geospatial software today The future of open source geospatial software If you are interested in doing a talk, please send a brief (<=250 words) abstract to [EMAIL PROTECTED] by no later than May 9th, 2008. Thank you, osbootcamp/geocamp2008 organizing committee ___ Announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/announce -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Locating users
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a way to find out more than the nearest ten mappers to me? Not currently but I think this would make a nice API feature, I've had the same wish when organising mapping parties in the past. We're using MySQL 5.*, so the current lat, lon field in the user table could be migrated to a geometry point column to allow bbox queries of users. David: if there was an API call to get all the users from a bbox, would it solve the problem? Cheers, > > I suppose I could change my home location systematically, but it's a bit > tedious. > > I ask because I was thinking about a Cambridge meet up now there's quite > a large number of people in the area, and I know that (a) not everyone > is on the mailing list, and (b) there are many more people signed up in > the area (people who were my neighbours have been superseded by those > closer still as time has gone on) > > David > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
