Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove tracking parameters

[Steve Doerr]

On 13/05/2020 17:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:

May 13, 2020, 17:31 by doerr.step...@gmail.com:

 Will you limit individual changesets to fairly small geographical
units?

max changeset size in degrees (latitude): 0.3
max changeset size in degrees (longitude): 0.3


That's about twice the size of the local area I monitor, so that seems 
satisfactory.


Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove tracking parameters

[Steve Doerr]

On 13/05/2020 12:40, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:

Proposed bot edit would remove links where all used parameters are 
tracking

users and may be removed.


Sounds good. Will you limit individual changesets to fairly small 
geographical units?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

[Steve Doerr]

On 19/02/2020 12:14, Christoph Hormann wrote:

I am therfore
reluctant to newly review the document in detail because it seems a
waste of effort.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

[Steve Doerr]

On 15/02/2020 17:35, Tomek wrote:

- for continents, oceans, poles, and seas bordering any state, I will
completely remove this marker.


Don't do that. The golden rule should be: never remove another mapper's 
contribution unless it's incontrovertibly wrong.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

[Steve Doerr]

Please post in English if you want people to understand what you are 
trying to say. Otherwise, feel free to talk to yourself in Esperanto.


Steve

On 11/01/2020 22:12, Tomek wrote:

EO
W dniu 20-01-07 o 08:27, Mateusz Konieczny pisze:

Yes, but using it for a pragmatic reasons
for an international communication is
usually not imperialism.

I can try to communicate with group of  people
from different countries in Polish,
Latin, Sindarin or Esperanto.

But except rare cases using English is likely
to result in more efficient communication.
Vi povas paroli en la pola, kiu estas mia denaska lingvo. Mi ne miras, 
ke vi malsukcesis komunikadi per fikcia/arta lingvo kreita por 
prezenti mondon de hobitoj kaj elfoj. Latino taŭgas por nomi speciojn 
kaj por estroj de katolika eklezio. Esperanto fakte estas la plej 
efika maniero por komunikadi kaj ne diskriminacias iun ajn.


W dniu 20-01-07 o 02:32, Joseph Eisenberg pisze:

This will not work, because local mappers will constantly be adding
back "name=*" tags to get the feature to appear in their favorite map
style. If you want to define that a feature has no default language,
it would be good to use a new tag like "default:language=none" or
something similar, but it will be hard to determine when to use such a
tag.
Kiuj lokalaj mapigistoj? Ni parolas pri nomoj de Suda Oceano kaj 
insuloj proksime de Antarkto!


W dniu 20-01-07 o 13:28, Paul Allen pisze:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:21, ael > wrote:


On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 10:59:35PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> On 06.01.2020 21:32, Tomek wrote:
> > Exactly, does a buoy with the inscription "Baltic Sea" swim
at 56° N18°
> > E? No, there is simply water that Poles call the "Morze
Bałtyckie",
> > Germans "Ostsee", etc.
>
>
> > Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason why not.
>
> For the count, +1 against.
And another +1, against.


Bringing back memories of AOL, me too.  +1 against.

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PL
W dniu 20-01-07 o 08:27, Mateusz Konieczny pisze:

Yes, but using it for a pragmatic reasons
for an international communication is
usually not imperialism.

I can try to communicate with group of  people
from different countries in Polish,
Latin, Sindarin or Esperanto.

But except rare cases using English is likely
to result in more efficient communication.
Możesz pisać w języku polskim, który jest moim językiem. Nie dziwię 
się, że nie zdołałeś się porozumieć używając fikcyjneko/artystycznego 
języka prezentującego świat hobbitów i elfów. Łacina nadaje się tylko 
do nazywania gatunków i dla szefów Kościoła katolickiego. Esperanto w 
rzeczywistości jest najbardziej efektywnym sposobem na komunikację i 
nie dyskryminuje kogokolwiek. Polecam tekst (pisany przez anglika): 
https://eduinf.waw.pl/esp/util/espglobal/


W dniu 20-01-07 o 02:32, Joseph Eisenberg pisze:

This will not work, because local mappers will constantly be adding
back "name=*" tags to get the feature to appear in their favorite map
style. If you want to define that a feature has no default language,
it would be good to use a new tag like "default:language=none" or
something similar, but it will be hard to determine when to use such a
tag.
Którzy lokalni mapowicze? Mówimy o nazwach mórz Oceanu Południowego i 
wysp w pobliżu Antarktydy!


W dniu 20-01-07 o 13:28, Paul Allen pisze:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:21, ael > wrote:


On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 10:59:35PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> On 06.01.2020 21:32, Tomek wrote:
> > Exactly, does a buoy with the inscription "Baltic Sea" swim
at 56° N18°
> > E? No, there is simply water that Poles call the "Morze
Bałtyckie",
> > Germans "Ostsee", etc.
>
>
> > Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason why not.
>
> For the count, +1 against.
And another +1, against.


Bringing back memories of AOL, me too.  +1 against.

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English fanatics, please read the text: 
http://sylvanzaft.org/verkaro/Esperanto-A_Language_for_a_Global_Village.pdf



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Re: [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych ? names of international objects

[Steve Doerr]

This will take some research, but...

Many of these names will be translations or transliterations of one 
particular name first attested in one particular language. So, 'Black 
Sea' is likely to be a translation of some name in a different language 
and which has subsequently been translated into multiple other 
languages. Therefore, the name tag could contain the name in this 
original language, provided it is clearly the name that has been widely 
translated into other languages. (This is to avoid Ancient Greek and 
Latin names that do not correspond to the modern name in most languages.)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal process Wikipage - Adding note about the use of seperators for values

[Steve Doerr]

On 04/12/2019 18:42, Yves wrote:
The semicolon is one information out of many, I'm not sure we should 
add this in the already long 'proposal process' page.


Note that there is a slightly cryptic reference in 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Compatibility_with_established_practices:


> Syntactic conventions for new tags

> There are some conventions about naming keys and values. Following 
them will help mappers to estimate the meaning of your tags without 
reading the documentation. Using a semicolon

> should be considered especially carefully.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Metropolitan France : what todo with all "supossed to be wrong" name:xx ?

[Steve Doerr]

On 19/11/2019 15:03, marc marc wrote:

-- those using the latin script are therefore probably false since the
presence of a single word is probably enough to detect the error.
is it better to delete them ? or some languages may have only one word
for "Metropolitan France" ?



Judging by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q212429, the answer to the last 
question is no.


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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Steve Doerr]

On 26/03/2019 18:24, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:


In some countries (Mali for example), HOT is by far the institution 
with the most notoriety related to Openstreetmap - and it is often the 
only one. There, Openstreetmap appears to be a humanitarian mapping 
project under supervision and sponsorship of HOT. The confusion is 
real and the least the OSMF could do to start clearing it is to make 
sure that the domains are separate. http://hot.openstreetmap.org must 
not point to a HOT domain.




For what it's worth, I have no objection to the hot.openstreetmap.org 
redirect, and it seems perfectly logical that the 'hot.' prefix should 
point to a HOT domain. By all means introduce 
humanitarian.openstreetmap.org as well for a broader list of 
humanitarian projects using OSM.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass API turned off due to Upload Filter thread

[Steve Doerr]

On 21/03/2019 05:21, Roland Olbricht wrote:

the Overpass API shows only an informative
result today. This will last until about 20:00 UTC.


Could this be affecting nrenner.github.io/achavi, does anybody know?

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Re: [OSM-talk] WhoDidIt Feeds

[Steve Doerr]

On 09/02/2019 12:39, Steve Doerr wrote:
None of my WhoDidIt RSS feeds seem to have updated since 18/01/2019. 
The main one is 
http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox=0.184967,51.325448,0.618584,51.453992



Feeds have now resumed.


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[OSM-talk] WhoDidIt Feeds

[Steve Doerr]

None of my WhoDidIt RSS feeds seem to have updated since 18/01/2019. The 
main one is 
http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox=0.184967,51.325448,0.618584,51.453992


Has this service been discontinued or is there a known problem?


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[OSM-talk] Renaming Macedonia

[Steve Doerr]

Is there a plan?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

[Steve Doerr]

On 17/12/2018 09:41, Colin Smale wrote:
One other thing: in the UK the boundaries of the area and the local 
authority running that area are two different things. A local 
authority can run a combination of adjacent admin areas; some admin 
areas are defined in law without there being a local authority; and 
some admin areas are legally shared between councils. What we have in 
the official sources (e.g. OS Boundary-Line) shows the geometry of the 
areas, but it tells you nothing about the authority/ies "running" that 
area.



Hi, Colin. I'm British and I have no idea what you're talking about 
here. Could you quote some examples that I could relate to?



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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/08/2018 21:41, Blake Girardot wrote:


But while I do not like the w3w solution, if they wanted to support
OSMF to improve w3w support in osm core and the ecosystem of tools I
would be all for giving it the exact same trial if the community
agreed.

But generally, I think plus codes are coming out looking quite good
from a technical perspective, both dynamically generated and static
uses like address signs and printed maps.




There's also Mapcode: http://www.mapcode.com/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)

[Steve Doerr]

On 03/08/2018 09:22, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote:
I just tried to create the 3-words address for a building in Odessa, 
Ukraine. The system suggested "dressings.cookies.brothers". It would 
be close to impossible to transmit these three words over the 
telephone to a local taxi dispatcher.


Some people may just not know English words well enough. The same 
about 8 English letters. But 8 Cyrillic letters may work. If the UTF8 
encoding is used in a database then both Latin and Cyrillic letters 
could be used, and, perhaps, other scripts.


You can set the language to Russian. This, I believe, gives the address 
as лотерея.русый.замок


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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

[Steve Doerr]

On 05/03/2018 12:39, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Dave F > wrote:



was it converted into hard currency?



all of the donated bitcoins should have already been converted to 
British pounds:


That'll be a 'no' then.

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Steve Doerr]

From the change log:
'remove addr:unit field for gb, ie, si, tr'. 

I wonder why (re gb). Unit is quite a common element in UK addresses, isn't it?

Steve 

Sent from my iPhone

> I hope everyone takes a look at the changelog.
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

[Steve Doerr]

On 17/11/2017 22:04, Frederik Ramm wrote:

many papers had
misunderstood their journalistic impartiality as having to give both
sides of an argument equal coverage


Oh really?!! Well at least we now know where you stand, in case you ever 
put yourself forward as a candidate for the OSMF board.


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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

[Steve Doerr]

On 17/11/2017 20:50, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
One important aspect was missing in the announcement. The tool's new 
name is a tiny part of a much bigger set of community suggested and 
requested changes. Fully ignoring functionality changes that many 
community members suggested is biased.


Mechanical edit claim was also never justified -- saying it's a 
mechanical edit tool doesn't fit with the community's own definition, 
per wiki. Just the other day the importance of using the right word 
was mentioned - when I allegedly missed the word "deprecated". Let's 
keep things consistent, and not dilute or change the meaning of 
existing terms to fit the immediate agenda.




+1


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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #382 2017-11-07-2017-11-13

[Steve Doerr]

On 17/11/2017 08:20, weeklyteam wrote:
Yuri Astrakhanre-started 
the discussion on the Talk mailing list about the tool to do mechanical edits (it is now called/Sophox/). Yuri is perceived by many as unreasonable as before and tries to ignore all the unwritten rules in OSM.



"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one 
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress 
depends on the unreasonable man."

-George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903)


Anyway, it's sad to see that WeeklyOSM has abandoned all attempt at 
impartiality.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Could we just pause any wikidata edits for a month or two?

[Steve Doerr]

On 24/10/2017 18:07, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Tomas Straupis 
mailto:tomasstrau...@gmail.com>> wrote:


2017-10-24 15:56 GMT+03:00 Ryszard Mikke wrote:
> Why, in this case is it better to have Wikipedia links in OSM
point to
> disambiguation page instead of link Hillfort 1 in OSM to
Hillfort 1 in
> Wikipedia, link Hillfort 2 accordingly and fix Wikipedia doubts in
> Wikipedia?

  So that the case is not forgotten and fixed properly (i.e. ALL tags
fixed) by people who know how to do it, not by those who are doing
guesswork and just silencing the "qa" script. 


  But in general all automated guess-edits are reverted for the time
being because it was clearly stated they are unhelpful and so
unwanted.


Tomas, I do agree that there should not be an automatic script setting 
tags based on a heuristic. But what you are saying is very strange if 
I understood you correctly. What I read here is that the only people 
allowed to fix things are those that know ALL tags and their meaning. 
This goes counter to the common sense (nobody knows all 65000+ tags), 
and counter to the existing warnings, such as JOSM's validator "when 
in doubt, ignore them".  You can never have a person who knows 
everything about both - the place and OSM tags.


There are two axis of editing:  local knowledge and OSM knowledge. 
They are orthogonal - I could be a tagging expert, but not know the 
area, or a novice editor with the expert local knowledge.  
Additionally, "local knowledge" very rapidly decays as you move away 
from where you live - another street, neighborhood, city, state, 
country, continent.  If I see a problem, I can reasonably research the 
topic, gain knowledge, and fix the problems in my area of expertise. 
Of course someone who lives in the incorrectly tagged building, and 
happens to be an expert OSM editor would be ideal, but sorry, no such 
luck.


In most cases, the editors who decide to help will make data better. 
It might not be perfect, but it is better than before.  When you say 
you will revert things despite making data worse, just because you 
disagree with HOW the problem was found, and not on the basis of 
decreasing data quality, you go against the very idea of a common sense.


There is only one reasonable approach to editing - data should be in a 
better shape after you than before.  More accurate. More complete.  
Please don't make assumptions that the data has gotten worse just 
because you disagree that there should be a qa script - after all, you 
are using them yourself, and no one is reverting all your work based 
on that.




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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] New OSM Quick-Fix service

[Steve Doerr]

Way to go!

 

This looks like just the kind of productivity tool OSM is crying out for. Great 
idea, Yuri.

 

Steve

 

 

From: Yuri Astrakhan [mailto:yuriastrak...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 October 2017 22:25
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools ; 
OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 
Subject: [Tagging] New OSM Quick-Fix service

 

I would like to introduce a new quick-fix editing service.  It allows users to 
generate a list of editing suggestions using a query, review each suggestion 
one by one, and click "Save" on each change if they think it's a good edit.

 

For example, RU community wants to convert  amenity=sanatorium  ->  
leisure=resort + resort=sanatorium.  Clicking on a dot shows a popup with the 
suggested edit. If you think the edit is correct, simply click Save.

Try it:  http://tinyurl.com/y8mzvk84

 

I have started a Quick fixes wiki page, where we can share and discuss quick 
fix ideas.

* Quick fixes  

* Documentation 

 

 

This is a very new project, and bugs are likely. Please go slowly, and check 
the resulting edits. Let me know if you find any problems. Your technical 
expertise is always welcome, see the code at 
https://github.com/nyurik/wikidata-query-gui  The service has adapted some code 
from the Osmose project (thanks!)

 

TODO:

* Allow multiple edits per one change set

* Show objects instead of the dots

* Allow users to change comment before saving

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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #337 27/12/2016-02/01/2017

[Steve Doerr]

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/8535, actually.

On 05/01/2017 11:58, weeklyteam wrote:

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 337,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8514/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM?
who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [OSM-talk] Convert Note to Node

[Steve Doerr]

Thanks. I was able to use the API links and copy-and-paste the 
co-ordinates into Level0 to create the nodes. It would probably be 
easier if the normal web page for notes would display the co-ordinates, 
and better still if there was something in Potlatch to create a node 
from a note.


Steve

On 22/08/2016 23:08, Toby Murray wrote:

Well you can go to the API and get the note XML which has the lat/lon
in it. The URL for this is:
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/notes/

If you are using JOSM and use the note download feature, then notes
are shown on the map so you can just create a node in the same
location. Note support has not made it into iD yet.

Toby

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Steve Doerr  wrote:

Has anyone built a utility to convert a note into a node?

Alternatively, is there a way to display the longitude and latitude of a
note in the same way as you can for a node?

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[OSM-talk] Convert Note to Node

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Has anyone built a utility to convert a note into a node?

Alternatively, is there a way to display the longitude and latitude of a 
note in the same way as you can for a node?


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Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

[Steve Doerr]

On 12/07/2016 00:23, Dave F wrote:


This system [...] doesn't work in the real world.


It's apparently used in Mongolia as of this month. So the proof of the 
pudding . . .


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Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

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Just came across this story: 
http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word-phrases/


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Re: [OSM-talk] license changes

[Steve Doerr]

Thanks for revealing this. No idea how you knew about it when nobody 
else did, but it's good, even vital, that you've brought it out into the 
open. Whoever you are.


I must admit, I don't really understand what it's about, but it's 
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On 14/02/2016 00:24, Steve Coast wrote:

Any license change process, or anything remotely close to it, should be open 
and transparent. It should involve the community from the start and any company 
that wants to participate too.

This is painful, and it takes a long time to do. But it’s the right way to do 
it. And it’s what we did when we switched from CC to ODbL.

...

Recently a few people came up with a proposal to engage some various academic 
law students to provide analysis around the ODbL. This by itself is useful and 
interesting and to be applauded.

Unfortunately this had to be done in only a couple of days and thus the LWG 
didn’t get a chance to analyze it. It was presented to the OSMF instead as the 
law students need a client for whom to work, and they needed a client quickly 
as term is starting. It was hoped the OSMF would be that client. There was a 
briefing document on what the students should work on - the questions they 
would like them to answer. The document wasn’t written by the LWG or OSMF.

I and others were against this for a number of reasons: It was rushed. Few 
people were involved. The community were absent as were a broad set of 
companies. The briefing document appeared focused around companies customers 
and changing the license around geocoding rather than broader issues. It 
mentioned forking OSM and building scenarios around that. OSMF decided against 
it.

This legal work is apparently going forward now with the OSMF-US as the client.

…

It’s fair that within the OSMF or LWG or any group there might be differences 
of opinion, and those opinions not plastered over the internet. And it’s fair 
that they may need to consider some things, some times, in secret. That’s why I 
asked all those involved if there was a problem making this public (nobody 
objected), and it’s why there are no names named.

Here’s what I’m worried about: In a few weeks or months someone might be able to 
wave around a headline saying “{Famous University} law students and OSMF-US say ODbL 
needs changing to allow X, Y or Z”. Or. "{Famous University} law students say 
we can fork OSM and change the license”.

That would be possible if they’ve specifically been asked that and been 
presented a very specific viewpoint, perhaps from one commercial point of view.

I ask that this whole process be opened up to both the community and other 
companies with an interest in OSM so that it is fair, balanced and not subject 
to any real or perceived biases. Most of all, it shouldn’t happen secretly away 
from the community and then just the results presented as a fait accompli. We 
should actively recruit people to be part of this kind of work instead of 
keeping it quiet.

My understanding is that the ship has sailed and the students have started 
working with the scenarios they have been given. Hopefully I’m wrong, but if 
this is the case and the work has started, then I ask that OSMF-US throw out 
the results since the LWG, the community and other companies have not been 
involved at all in what the students are to be asked.

The OSMF-US and/or those involved are creating some communication channels for 
the work that is happening. It is a question for next months meeting whether 
the community will be allowed in to those channels or if there will be an 
announcement. It makes me and others uncomfortable that this is a question at 
all, as does waiting another month, or weeks, or whatever the timeframe is and 
then being presented with the results on how to change the license. You should 
know this work is happening, what has been asked and why, otherwise this isn’t 
a very open project.

Lastly, please come help with the LWG. More people involved in what’s happening 
can only strengthen OSM and help us do more.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Background Layers

[Steve Doerr]

On 08/01/2016 22:34, Simon Poole wrote:

Am 08.01.2016 um 23:25 schrieb tony wroblewski:

Silly question, why would you trace from Mapnik, since it's OSM anyway?

There are many reasons why you might want to use a non-imagery
background (or overlay which essentially all have gone too), for example
large scale orientation or highlighting specific features, editing in
areas without useful areial imagery and so on.

Simon



Yes, indeed.

So, could we have our background layers back, please?

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[OSM-talk] Missing Background Layers

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When editing in Potlatch 2, the list of background layers seems rather 
short. In particular, Mapnik (the default style) is not on the list.


Bug? Or change of policy?

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[OSM-talk] Belgium/Netherlands Boundary Change

[Steve Doerr]

Just read this article about a territory-swap between The Netherlands 
and Belgium: http://actualite24.info/post/316916


I wonder if this has taken effect yet? It's not reflected in OSM 
currently. I think I'll leave it for the local communities to action.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch down?

[Steve Doerr]

On 16/12/2015 15:57, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

Is it just me or is the OSM's built-in potlatch editor not currently
working?

Should be fixed now. TomH identified that a Passenger upgrade caused
requests to break, though exactly why isn't yet clear...



Thanks. Now working for me and I didn't even lose the edits I'd started.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch down?

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On 16/12/2015 13:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

Is it just me or is the OSM's built-in potlatch editor not currently working?

It loads and the editing functions all seem to work fine, but every
time I press save on the "Save Changes" dialog box, I get an the
message "Error creating changeset", and nothing is saved.




Same here!

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[OSM-talk] Changeset Revert Request

[Steve Doerr]

I spotted this on the Malaysia forum: 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=566307 . Here's the 
extent of the damage: https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=35942702 .


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Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

[Steve Doerr]

I've read articles about it a few times, and for fun I sometimes post my 
w3w location on Facebook. But I don't know if it's achieved much traction.


One maps site that I use from time to time, www.streetmap.co.uk, 
includes w3w addresses for searching and on its 'convert co-ordinates' 
screen, e.g. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idgc.srf?x=530051&y=179922 (10 
Downing Street).


Maybe our search box could do the same, either directly or through 
integrating into Nominatim. I wouldn't suggest storing w3w addresses in 
the main OSM database though.


Steve


On 22/11/2015 10:39, Colin Smale wrote:


I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel 
coordinate/addressing system for the whole world.


Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this 
system in OSM?


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/2434706/move-aside-google-maps-the-future-of-navigation-is-just-three-words

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging concert / music hall

[Steve Doerr]

On 20/07/2015 18:39, Peter vd Kamp wrote:

Music hall is used for buildings where you can listen to e.g. rock 
concerts or new, promising bands (e.g. Heineken Music Hall (HMH), 
Ziggo Dome (ZD), both in Amsterdam).


The term 'music hall' in British English denotes a very different thing. 
In fact, it's a historical term relating to the entertainment of the 
19th and early 20th centuries. As far as I know, music halls were like 
theatres inside, but used for mainly musical entertainment (a singer on 
the stage accompanied by a band of musicians in the pit). They are 
particularly remembered for comic songs like 'Daisy, Daisy', 'Henery the 
Eighth', 'A little of what you fancy does you good', etc., which are 
still sometimes sung in 'community singing' settings.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

[Steve Doerr]

On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/286131994 - Slough, GB. 
Pronounced /ˈslaʊ/, which corresponds to russian "Слау".
Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough links to russian 
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83.

That translation was added in 30451655 and deleted in 30706979.

Automatically translated province in Russian is called Слоф, not Слау:
https://ru.wargaming.net/globalmap/#province/slough
 - and we have no way to correct that, if we don't add name:ru for it 
to OSM.




There might be a case for adding pronunciations (of 'difficult' names at 
least) to the OSM database. Someone must have proposed a tagging scheme 
for this, surely?


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap newbie - help/guidance to convert OSM XML data to .gpx

[Steve Doerr]

On 06/05/2015 14:27, Ángel de Vicente wrote:

sorry, let's see if I can explain myself better. The attachment in my 
previous mail is what I got from the page https://mapmatching.3scale.net/




They seem to have their own forum 
(https://mapmatching.3scale.net/forum). You might do better to ask on there.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Next: Relation name (WAS: Removing redundant routing instructions)

[Steve Doerr]

On 28/04/2015 13:23, Lester Caine wrote:

Reading the objections on 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/through_route and 
to be honest, the example used is simply wrong.


How about this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/21745867? Contrary 
to rational expectations, the 'through route' here is Groombridge Hill 
<-> Langton Road, and Ashurst Road has give-way lines.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

[Steve Doerr]

As I understand it, there is an implied direction in that the convention 
is that the give_way node applies to the nearest intersection involving 
the way. But yes, I can see that involves extra computation.


Steve

On 27/04/2015 09:51, Colin Smale wrote:


The trouble with nodes is that they are non-directional. Junctions in 
quick succession, and lane-dependent give-ways could make a 
challenging scenario for a program to try and make sense of. Why not 
tag it explicitly instead of leaving it to heuristics which (by 
definition) will not always get it right?


//colin

On 2015-04-27 10:06, Steve Doerr wrote:


On 26/04/2015 12:35, Rob Nickerson wrote:
In the UK (particularly in rural areas) it is common to find a road 
that turns 90 degrees to the left or right without a junction (that 
is the road just continues and white lines mark it as such). 
Meanwhile another road may come in from the other side with a 'give 
way' style junction.

One simple way of representing this situation is to place give_way nodes on the 
subsidiary roads. Whether any routers or renderers make use of these to deduce 
that a particular route through the junction is the 'through route', I don't 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

[Steve Doerr]

On 26/04/2015 12:35, Rob Nickerson wrote:

In the UK (particularly in rural areas) it is common to find a road 
that turns 90 degrees to the left or right without a junction (that is 
the road just continues and white lines mark it as such). Meanwhile 
another road may come in from the other side with a 'give way' style 
junction.


One simple way of representing this situation is to place give_way nodes 
on the subsidiary roads. Whether any routers or renderers make use of 
these to deduce that a particular route through the junction is the 
'through route', I don't know.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

[Steve Doerr]

On 26/02/2015 18:25, Paul Johnson wrote:
Now that we have an "anointed" notes system, how about an automated 
move to notes, with the owner of the note being the person who 
originated the FIXME?




Personally I'd rather keep any FIXMEs on the objects that they relate to.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset messaging & Notes feature question

[Steve Doerr]

On 31/12/2014 21:17, Dave F. wrote:

On 31/12/2014 16:16, Tom Hughes wrote:


Is there a way to remove notes from the map once loaded? Re-clicking 
the

icon, Closing the left hand pane or even refreshing (f5) makes no
difference. It's kind of annoying.


Just turn off the notes layer.


Nope; you're going have to give more detail than that, I'm afraid.



Delete the bit in the URL that says &layers=N

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Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin nuvi track recording

[Steve Doerr]

On 29/12/2014 16:53, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I tried to find, unsuccessfully, information about track recording 
with GARMIN nuvi models.
I had occasion to use a nuvi 50 (with OSM maps) for car navigation. It 
worked fine apart from the track recording that seems to be 
permanently in "lock on road" mode, which is not useful if you want to 
use the recorded tracks for mapping.
Is there any similarly simple-to-use Garmin model that does permit to 
set the track recording without "lock on road", or is there a trick to 
make the the nuvi 50 forget the lock-on-road mode?




I have a nuvi 205, which may of course be completely different. In 
Settings > Navigation there's a Route Preference that can be set to Off 
Road, which might make a difference?


On my unit there is a hidden track log feature that provides a better 
track than the standard Trip Log. I followed the instructions at 
www.gpspassion.com/upload2/HiddenTrackLogHowTo.pdf to use this.


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[OSM-talk] ooc.openstreetmap.org

[Steve Doerr]

Has this service been discontinued? Or is there just a temporary problem 
with it?


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Re: [OSM-talk] How best to create a "single point of interest" online map with OSM data?

[Steve Doerr]

I presume he means a map showing all occurrences of one particular type 
of point of interest, e.g. pubs.


Steve

On 20/09/2014 19:39, John F. Eldredge wrote:
What is the difference between a "point of interest" and a "single 
point of interest"?  Saying that a map will show multiple "single 
points of interest" seems like a contradiction.


On 09/17/2014 06:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

What's the best way to create a global "single point of interest" map,
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[OSM-talk] Custom Imagery in Potlatch

[Steve Doerr]

When I use the Background > Edit... > Add dialogue to add a custom 
imagery layer in Potlatch2, the new layer does not appear in the 
Background dropdown. (Fortunately, assigning a function key and using 
that does work.)


Anyone else seeing this problem?

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Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

[Steve Doerr]

On 29/07/2014 08:32, JB wrote:

Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have 
the beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the 
information is quite useless.


Are we all armchair mappers now? Surely the note should prompt someone 
local to go out to the location and find out where the speed limit 
starts and ends?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki translate extension

[Steve Doerr]

+1

Language is not the same thing as country. There could well be 
French-speaking people mapping in England, English in Spain, Spanish in 
Egypt, Arabic-speakers in Turkey, Turks in Germany, etc.


Steve

On 25/07/2014 00:04, Rob Nickerson wrote:
In my opinion we should try to keep the different language pages as 
similar as possible - that is, they should aim to be just translations 
of one another. My reason behind this is that OpenStreetMap is a 
community and data project. We need to work together and use common 
tagging so that developers can build tools based on OSM data. We 
should avoid an OpenStreetMap for people who can speak English, one 
for those that can speak French, etc...


If there is country specific information about a tag then I would like 
to be aware of it, as it could be useful for other countries/languages 
too. That could be as simple as copying it to the English[1] language 
page (marking it as requiring translation) or if it's longer providing 
a link on the English language page.


Also worth noting that a lot of the translations haven't stayed up to 
date. This works both ways - English page updated, translations not 
updated, or a non-English page updated and not copied back to the 
English page (in any language). I'd encourage people to copy between 
the pages even if they just mark the text as needing translating.


Regards,
Rob

[1] You could also copy it to other language pages, but at a bare 
minimum the English page as this is considered the "Main" page/OSM's 
default language.



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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector has world-wide address view

[Steve Doerr]

Thanks, Frederik. Very useful.

I couldn't see a Comments section on the blog, so I'll ask the question 
here. Some of my edits locally are being reported as 'unknown 
interpolation type' because of my use of addr:interpolation = 
alphabetic. Is that wrong?


Steve

On 11/04/2014 21:38, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

 the OSMI "addresses" view is now available world-wide (it just had
Europe before). The code that runs the analyses behind it is based on
the new Osmium library and is available on Github. The new view is
available now on OSMI (http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi).

This blog entry has more details: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=309

I wish to thank Geotab Inc. who are sponsoring the server that runs the
analyses, as well as Lukas Toggenburger, who re-implemented the checks
in C++ so that everything is fast enough for world-wide processing (we
had been using an SQL based process before).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare and OSM Note Instructions

[Steve Doerr]

If you create a new note at openstreetmap.org, you get a prompt that 
begins: 'Spotted a mistake or something missing?' So I think your 
understanding of what is a valid note is at fault.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Www.openstreetmap.org Down?

[Steve Doerr]

Here's what I get:


C:\Users\Steve>nslookup tile.openstreetmap.org
Server:  UnKnown
Address:  192.168.1.1

DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
DNS request timed out.
timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Request to UnKnown timed-out

Steve

On 14/08/2013 21:12, Grant Slater wrote:

Hi Liz,

Still an issue?
Please could you do the following for me to check...

Open Terminal (OSX or Linux) / Command Prompt (Windows) and type the 
following command and send me the result. (offlist best)

 nslookup tile.openstreetmap.org <http://tile.openstreetmap.org>

Regards
 Grant


On 14 August 2013 21:05, Liz Barry <mailto:eba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


maybe something local. no tiles loading for me in Brooklyn, NYC USA

@lizbarry <http://twitter.com/lizbarry>


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Grant Slater
mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com>>
wrote:

The site is up and traffic is at expected levels.

Does the site not respond at all or a part not load?

If there were a major outage it would be reported here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status

Regards
 Grant
 Part of OSM sysadmin team.


    On 14 August 2013 20:33, Steve Doerr mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Re: [OSM-talk] Www.openstreetmap.org Down?

[Steve Doerr]

Thanks, Shaun. To clarify: I see some elements of the page, but no map. 
That is to say, no tiles. (I see the + - etc. controls in the top right, 
but the main map zone is grey. I see the left-hand side-bar with the 
search-box etc., and the View/Edit/History tabs.)


Steve

On 14/08/2013 20:39, Shaun McDonald wrote:

Works fine here.

Always worth trying out something like http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com

Shaun

On 14 Aug 2013, at 20:33, Steve Doerr  wrote:


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Re: [OSM-talk] Double-clicking on OSM map does not centre the map

[Steve Doerr]

On 22/07/2013 06:48, Maarten Deen wrote:

I hadn't noticed this yet, but IMHO it's a bad thing. There are 
occasions when I am looking for a particular point to be the map 
center. Dragging the map to the center is no solution because my sight 
is not absolute and I do not know what the center of my browserscreen is.


+1.

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Re: [OSM-talk] from-via-to relation

[Steve Doerr]

On 21/05/2013 13:16, V de Chateau-Thierry wrote:


I'd suggest "maneuver".


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Re: [OSM-talk] from-via-to relation

[Steve Doerr]

On 21/05/2013 11:49, Martin Schafran wrote:

what's the english expression for a relation "from-(via)-to" on a junction
in context of traffic engineering?

I guess it might be turn relation or
route or traffic direction or connection or ...

I'm currently working on junctions, traffic lights, prediction of green signal
etc.


Sounds a bit like the proposed 'through route' relation: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/through_route


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Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

[Steve Doerr]

Should there be a mailing list for iD, as there are mailing lists for 
Potlatch, JOSM, and Merkaartor?


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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

On 15/04/2013 09:58, Grant Slater wrote:


Yes, the dump process failed. It is quite unusual for us to have had
so many problems.

Frederik Ramm kindly created this PBF planet file:
http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/tmp/planet/2013-04-11/
Use at own risk.


Thanks for the update.

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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/04/2013 22:16, Frederik Ramm wrote:


On 10.04.2013 22:16, Steve Doerr wrote:

Has the process by any chance stalled again?


http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2013-April/026763.html



[which states: 'The next planet file should be planet-130409.osm.bz2 
should be available on 12th April 2013.

'Regards Grant
'Part of OSM sysadmin team.']

Looks like it didn't happen.

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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/04/2013 22:16, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

On 10.04.2013 22:16, Steve Doerr wrote:

Has the process by any chance stalled again?


http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2013-April/026763.html

Bye
Frederik


Cheers!

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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

On 07/03/2013 14:19, Grant Slater wrote:


planet-130304.osm.bz2 is now available: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/


Has the process by any chance stalled again?

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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

On 07/03/2013 14:19, Grant Slater wrote:


planet-130304.osm.bz2 is now available: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/



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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

planet-130214.osm.bz2 is still the latest planet at 
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet/2013/
planet-130206.osm.pbf is still the latest planet at 
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/pbf/
planet-130213.osm.bz2.torrent is still the latest bz2 torrent at 
http://osm-torrent.torres.voyager.hr/files/
planet-130206.osm.pbf.torrent is still the latest pbf torrent at 
http://osm-torrent.torres.voyager.hr/files/


Steve


On 24/02/2013 01:09, Steve Doerr wrote:
Can't help thinking there should be something more recent at 
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/pbf/. And at 
http://osm-torrent.torres.voyager.hr/files/.


Steve

On 18/02/2013 01:03, Grant Slater wrote:

planet-130214.osm.bz2 is now out.

On 14 February 2013 11:26, Grant Slater  
wrote:

There is a problem.
I have removed the bad planet.osm files.

/ Grant

On 14 February 2013 11:06, Walter Nordmann  wrote:

Hi,

i'm missing new created nodes with 64-bit ids in the extracts of
geofabrik.de (eg. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2152011134)

so i tried to check the planet-file and found something strange: 
*why is the
planet 8 GB smaller than last week? * Has there been a cleanup or 
is there a

problem?

planet-130213.osm.bz2 14-Feb-2013 02:11   18G
planet-130206.osm.bz2 09-Feb-2013 16:11   26G
planet-130130.osm.bz2 02-Feb-2013 05:14   25G
planet-130123.osm.bz2 25-Jan-2013 23:36   25G
planet-130116.osm.bz2 18-Jan-2013 23:23   25G
planet-130109.osm.bz2 12-Jan-2013 01:53   25G
planet-130102.osm.bz2 05-Jan-2013 05:08   25G

any ideas?

regards
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Re: [OSM-talk] what happend to planet.osm?

[Steve Doerr]

Can't help thinking there should be something more recent at 
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/pbf/. And at 
http://osm-torrent.torres.voyager.hr/files/.


Steve

On 18/02/2013 01:03, Grant Slater wrote:

planet-130214.osm.bz2 is now out.

On 14 February 2013 11:26, Grant Slater  wrote:

There is a problem.
I have removed the bad planet.osm files.

/ Grant

On 14 February 2013 11:06, Walter Nordmann  wrote:

Hi,

i'm missing new created nodes with 64-bit ids in the extracts of
geofabrik.de (eg. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2152011134)

so i tried to check the planet-file and found something strange: *why is the
planet 8 GB smaller than last week? * Has there been a cleanup or is there a
problem?

planet-130213.osm.bz2 14-Feb-2013 02:11   18G
planet-130206.osm.bz2 09-Feb-2013 16:11   26G
planet-130130.osm.bz2 02-Feb-2013 05:14   25G
planet-130123.osm.bz2 25-Jan-2013 23:36   25G
planet-130116.osm.bz2 18-Jan-2013 23:23   25G
planet-130109.osm.bz2 12-Jan-2013 01:53   25G
planet-130102.osm.bz2 05-Jan-2013 05:08   25G

any ideas?

regards
walter



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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Steve Doerr]

On 01/02/2013 16:26, Pierre Béland wrote:

It seems that the term geocode was first used in the fourtheen century 
and comes from old french. Google trademark?

See http://www.memidex.com/geocode


I think you'll find that's the word 'code', not 'geocode'.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/01/2013 00:17, Rovastar wrote:

Firstly, I didn't expect so much conversation on this. I must say I never
really though about the closed nature vs open source of OSM conflict.
And I am not a facebook user myself (I really dislike the walled garden idea
that is facebook) and only joined Twitter to see what it is about, I've not
used it.



I'm really disturbed by the prevalent tone in this thread. What's 
'ideology' got to do with OpenStreetMap? After 3+ years of contributing 
to OSM, have I actually been supporting some crypto-socialist conspiracy 
that opposes private-property rights, commercialism, mass-marketing, the 
profit motive, free-market capitalism, and basically everything I 
believe in? I thought I was just helping to create a fantastic mapping 
database. Just because I contribute to an 'open' database, does that 
mean I have to oppose anything that is 'closed' or proprietary?7


As for being accused of being illiterate because I use Twitter... Well, 
words fail me.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

[Steve Doerr]

Twitter- and Facebook-user here, and I look forward to seeing links to 
those sites on the OSM page. Perhaps a 'Share this map' button alongside 
the Permalink/Sharelink links (it's basically an extension of the same 
idea, but saves the effort of doing copy and paste).


Steve

On 09/01/2013 15:15, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Frederik Ramm > wrote:



I think it is ok for us to post stuff to Twitter, and I think we
should make room for such news on our web page (many web sites
have a widget that shows the most recent twitter mentions).

I would dislike a "follow us on Twitter" button because it will
only show the Twitter signup page if someone doesn't have an
account, and therefore make it look like you had to subscribe to
Twitter in order to read our news - which is thankfully not true.


I think this would be missing our audience.  If you're illiterate (a 
group Twitter caters specifically to), what are the odds you're going 
to be able to make use of a map, much less contribute constructively 
to OSM?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps

[Steve Doerr]

On 03/11/2012 21:31, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:

I am pretty sure that in most of these cases, users are copying from 
Google Maps or Google Street View and the data should be deleted. In 
many cases, the infringing data is something like a road name.


I'm pretty sure that Google have actually said that's it's OK for us to 
use Street View images to check the occasional street-name, but not to 
do that on a mass scale.


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Re: [OSM-talk] New Sage CRM Mapping Component uses OpenStreetMap

[Steve Doerr]

On 05/09/2012 11:13, Ed Loach wrote:

And:
"Users need to have HTTP access to *.openstreetmap.org."



Should we perhaps be concerned about that? Does this square with our 
tileserver usage policy?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Changing capitalization (Lima)

[Steve Doerr]

On 31/05/2012 20:13, Worst Fixer wrote:


If you notice some big flaw in my case change algoritm, mail me privately.


I'd only comment that a really intelligent de-capitalization algorithm 
would attempt to supply the accents that are missing from the 
capitalized forms. Some languages that use accents tolerate omitting 
them from capital letters but not from lower-case letters. Maybe a 
better algorithm could be developed by a Spanish native-speaker. 
Admittedly, accents could be supplied at a later date.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Worst of OSM

[Steve Doerr]

'Visualization' is not (just) American English. It's the preferred 
spelling of Oxford University Press and many other British academic 
publishers.


Steve

On 15/05/2012 19:50, Alan Mintz wrote:

At 2012-05-15 09:25, andrzej zaborowski wrote:


Maybe the fact that it's German (assuming that it is) is a sign of
OSM's popularity there, and approaching Google Maps.


The caption language doesn't really sound like "DEnglish", or even UK 
English, though. The spelling is American English (e.g. "visualization").


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/05/2012 13:41, Cartinus wrote:

On 05/10/2012 02:15 PM, Steve Doerr wrote:

given freedom of choice?

This is getting way off-topic, but...

I know it is hard to accept for a lot of people, but the more people you
put in a smaller space the less freedom of choice you have. For an
example you might understand given your previous reaction: Look at how
many people living on Manhattan (NY) own a car.



Nope, no idea what you're getting at here.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

[Steve Doerr]

On 10/05/2012 13:02, Cartinus wrote:

the holy cow of western society (the car)


You mean the means of locomotion which has been chosen by the majority 
given freedom of choice?


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Re: [OSM-talk] No Data overlay on OpenStreetmap.org

[Steve Doerr]

On 01/04/2012 21:30, Shaun McDonald wrote:


It has been moved to the edit tab under the name "Browse Map Data".


Not currently working for me. I get

Error in loading GML file 
/api/0.6/map?bbox=0.34649,51.421383,0.351724,51.423823



then click OK. There's now a link on the left that says 'Retrieve this 
area from the API 
' 
but when I click on that I get




  Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable to complete your request.


Please contact the server administrator, webmas...@openstreetmap.org 
and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might 
have done that may have caused the error.


More information about this error may be available in the server error 
log.



Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80



URL at this point is 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=0.34649,51.421383,0.351724,51.423823


Windows 7, Firefox 11.0.

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Re: [OSM-talk] automated abbreviation changes?!

[Steve Doerr]

On 23/03/2012 13:14, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:





USPS: 521 Waterman Ln SE
Full: 521 Waterman Lane SouthEast

But I've never, ever written it in the full form and even the 
city-supplied street sign shows "Waterman Ln".


I just looked up a couple of US cities in a (US) encyclopaedia I have, 
and all references to specific highways had the 'generic' part of the 
name spelled out in full, e.g. 'Pennsylvania Avenue', '42nd Street'. 
Interesting that it was '42nd' and not 'Forty-second' though.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes

[Steve Doerr]

On 17/03/2012 13:17, Philip Barnes wrote:

Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is
strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker.


I don't know. People around here (NW Kent) seem to vary in which way 
they prefer to go. TomTom opts for the M20.


I just used project-osrm.org to plan a route from home to Alton Towers 
and was surprised to find it took me through central London - over 
Westminster Bridge. Most people in their right mind would go through 
Dartford Tunnel and round the M25.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim and language tags

[Steve Doerr]

On 17/02/2012 14:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

What is the "official language"? This is not always unambigous for 
every part of the national territory. Even in Germany with few 
minorities there are exceptions (e.g. [1] de: "Mittlerweile lautet der 
§ 184 des Gerichtsverfassungsgesetzes: „Die Gerichtssprache ist 
deutsch. Das Recht der Sorben, in den Heimatkreisen der sorbischen 
Bevölkerung vor Gericht sorbisch zu sprechen, ist gewährleistet.“ -> 
In areas with a majority of Sorbs [2] they have the right to speak 
Sorbian at court). cheers, Martin [1] 
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorben#Rechtliche_Grundlagen [2] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs 
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What they're actually looking for is the language which mappers usually 
use for the unqualified name tag: 'Please do not list all languages used 
in a country only the official language that would be used by the "name" 
tag.' (as is says on the wiki page).


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[OSM-talk] Offtopic: A vision of America's roads

[Steve Doerr]

The Economist pays tribute to a map of America's roads in the style of a 
subway (tube) map:


http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/01/maps?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/visionofamericasroads

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Steve Doerr]

On 02/01/2012 09:49, Michael Collinson wrote:


 I've been tracing roman road from these maps into OSM. You can best see
 them athttp://maps.webhop.net/historic";>http://maps3.org.uk/tiles/historic.html
 , kindly provided by Graham Jones.


Your hyperlink got corrupted. Should behttp://maps3.org.uk/tiles/historic.html  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is the Mapnik server happy?

[Steve Doerr]

I keep marking a tile dirty 
(http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/130979/87186.png/dirty) but the 
status (http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/130979/87186.png/status) 
still says:


'Tile is clean. Last rendered at Thu Dec 15 01:35:50 2011'.

Steve

On 20/12/2011 08:10, Andrew Errington wrote:

I have noticed some recent changes have not been rendered.  Usually
they're pretty quick.





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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM render for mobile

[Steve Doerr]

On 16/12/2011 16:13, SomeoneElse wrote:

Frans Thamura wrote:

you can try www.osmosa.net

it is not mobile touch optimize, we cannot zoom by gesture



"multiple touch and pull apart" to zoom is working for me on that site 
(on a Blackberry Playbook with a Webkit-based browser).


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSmosa.net run now.., contribution model

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On 06/12/2011 11:11, 80n wrote:


2) Post-process the diff files to change the id of any new elements to 
a negative value.  This is simply a matter of multiplying the id by -1 
if the element's version attribute is 1.


Your local OSM then presumably then allocates the next available ID to 
the object - which I guess may be different from the ID it had in OSM? 
If so, what happens the next time the object is edited in OSM? Do you 
maintain a cross-reference between your IDs and OSM's?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Funding drive – Improving OSM reliability and performance

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On 02/12/2011 16:26, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 02/12/11 16:13, Andreas Labres wrote:


What is interesting for all of us living in European counties:

Can donations be made via SEPA money transfer to the bank account of 
the foundation?


I may be wrong but I think the foundation only has a UK sterling 
account which means that the technical answer may be yes, in that the 
UK is part of SEPA but the practical answer may be no in that a UK 
bank will want to levy silly fees.




On the contrary, many UK banks do participate in SEPA and are therefore 
obliged to treat SEPA transfers from other participating banks in the 
same way as domestic transfers. SEPA maintains a list of participating 
banks on their web site. You need to check the specific SWIFT code of 
the bank account concerned - for instance, some bits of Lloyds Banking 
Group are participants but, last time I looked, Halifax (part of LBG) 
was not. I have a Portuguese euro bank account with BBVA (a Spanish 
bank) and when I request an international transfer on their web site, I 
have to select the target bank's SWIFT code from a list and it tells me 
immediately whether that bank is a SEPA participant or not. 
Surprisingly, being in a different currency doesn't seem to make a 
difference to the rules about equal treatment.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Osm to distribute south africa geodata

[Steve Doerr]

Anyone can be an OSM contributor. Including South Africa's Department of 
Rural Development and Land Reform, if they so desire.


Steve


On 25/11/2011 00:41, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

On 11/25/2011 01:29 AM, maning sambale wrote:

Sharing this news:
http://afrispatial.co.za/open-data/osm-to-become-a-distributor-of-ngis-south-african-topo-data/ 



Must be a misunderstanding. OSM is not in the business of 
"distributing" other geodata than our own.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Portugal proposal for the SOTM 2012

[Steve Doerr]

I was going to say 'where?', but I see from your wiki 
(http://wiki.osgeopt.pt/index.php/Vamos_mapear_Portugal#SOTM_2012) that 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-8.66380001068&minlat=40.631040802&maxlon=-8.64379905701&maxlat=40.6510446167 
and 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-8.30372024536&minlat=41.4345877075&maxlon=-8.28371929169&maxlat=41.4545915222 
are being floated as locations.



On 13/11/2011 18:16, Jorge Gustavo wrote:
Since the SOTM 2012 call for venues is now open[1], we are willing to 
organize it in Portugal.




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Re: [OSM-talk] South Sudan: Update border from DoS data

[Steve Doerr]

Just a thought: how about simply mapping each country's border so as to 
include the disputed area?


Steve


On 31/10/2011 10:33, Michael Krämer wrote:

Hi,

in a post [1] by Mikel end of September he proposed to use the data 
from US Department of State to update the border of South Sudan.


As the dataset look pretty accurate compared to natural features I 
have already started using it.


After noticing that the border of South Sudan is not updated yet I 
would volunteer to do so. Unfortunately this raises the question of 
the disputed area of Kafia Kingi in the west: The current border in 
OSM attributes this area to Sudan, the DoS dataset to South Sudan, not 
even indicating a dispute. There seems to be some uncertainty on where 
the border should be (cf. [2]). Google Maps/Earth show both borders as 
disputed.


So I would like to bring up the question here, which border to use. 
From what I found in the list and wiki the current border in OSM has 
not necessarily based on detailed consideration but basicallay what 
had been available at the time.
Personally I would tend to use the DoS border, but I'm definetly not 
an expert on neither South Sudan nor international borders.


Michael

[1] 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-September/060226.html
[2] 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming dispute over Jerusalem - OSM failure

[Steve Doerr]

On 05/10/2011 17:43, Lambert Carsten wrote:
-19 jan 2009 Esperanza36 added the Arabic name in front of the Hebrew 
version.


No, Hebrew came first. (Remember, both languages are written right-to-left.)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming dispute over Jerusalem - OSM failure

[Steve Doerr]

On 05/10/2011 16:36, Serge Wroclawski wrote:

The status of Jerusalem as part of Israel is not disputed. Its status 
as a Palestinian city is


I'm not sure that's true. Israel was effectively created as a result of 
a UN partition plan that would have created a Jewish state and an Arab 
state, but would have left Jerusalem administered by the UN itself. Even 
now, I believe most countries do not recognize Jerusalem as the capital 
of Israel: most treat Tel Aviv as the capital, presumably to emphasize 
that they don't accept that Jerusalem unambiguously belongs to Israel.


FWIW, the DWG's stance seems reasonable to me, although the obvious 
solution would be to have the two names separated by 'space hyphen 
space' as seems to be the case with Brussels. It would seem reasonable 
to give Hebrew precedence - which ironically would mean the Arabic name 
would be on the left!


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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

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On 28/07/2011 13:53, Brian Quinion wrote:

Ask any English speaker in the UK what the 'st' in "Bury St Edmunds" 
means and they will tell you it is an abbreviation for Saint.


I once heard of a radio presenter who read out a request from someone 
living in 'Bewry Street Edmunds'!


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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

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On 27/07/2011 23:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:


Signs are indices, but they contain errors and bugs like everything else.


and abbreviations, especially in the US.

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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Steve Doerr]

On 27/07/2011 18:23, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

...but the point is that here the name seems to be "St Albans" so why
should we be the only ones to expand it?



So that satnavs can more easily work out how to pronounce it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Steve Doerr]

On 27/07/2011 11:01, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Pronunciation in English only ever serves to mislead.

[...]

every native English speaker would pronunce St in that context as 'saint'.


Actually, /St/ and /saint/ are pronounced rather differently (*sn?t* and 
*se?nt*, respectively).


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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Steve Doerr]

It probably doesn't affect the argument, but 'The Place-names of 
Hertfordshire' (English Place-name Society, 1938) records the following 
historical forms:


(aet) Sancte Albane (957)
Sancte Albanes stow (1007)
la ville de Seint Alban (Norman-French)
villa Sancti Albani (Domesday Book - in Latin)
villa de Sancto Albano (medieval, Latin)
le Covent de Seynt Alban (1302)
la dite ville de Seint Alban (time of Edward II)
la ville de Seint Auban (time of Edward III)
Seint Auban (1400)
Seynt Albones (1421)

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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Steve Doerr]

On 27/07/2011 03:04, Stephen Hope wrote:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name#Notes

Um - no.  If a place wants to be written "St Albans", then that's the
name. Just because you pronounce it "Saint Albans" makes no
difference.

If they'd just shortened it for some signs to save space (like street,
road etc), then I'd agree with you.  But if they want the proper name
to be St Albans, not Saint Albans, we should respect that. If it is
how the name is officially spelt, then it's not an abbreviation, even
if it looks and sounds like one.



I personally prefer 'St' over 'Saint', but I wouldn't go so far as to 
assert what Stephen Hope does. After all, in alphabetical lists, names 
beginning 'St' have traditionally been sorted as if they were written 
'Saint'.


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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Steve Doerr]

On 08/07/2011 09:28, Richard Mann wrote:

I tend to abbreviate Saint (to St), because the full version is almost
never used, and certainly never spoken by anybody locally (they say
something closer to "Sunt", which they wouldn't say if confronted with
the unabbreviated version).

Whereas Road / Avenue / Street get written out in full, because full
versions are regularly used, and almost always spoken.


+1

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Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

[Steve Doerr]

On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote:


did you see this?
http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html



That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Flash cookies

[Steve Doerr]

On 22/06/2011 13:54, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Steve Doerr wrote:

In that case, could it be made to remember custom
backgrounds from one session to the next? If I want
to use the UK  postcode layer, I have to add it manually
every time.

Sure - as ever, put it in a trac ticket. Stuff mentioned passingly on
mailing lists gets forgotten. :)


Done: Ticket #3855.

Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Flash cookies

[Steve Doerr]

On 22/06/2011 11:19, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

OSM per se doesn't store anything in Flash cookies. Potlatch does. That's
because, oddly enough, it's a Flash app and wants to remember your
preferences (selected background and stylesheet, TIGER highlighting,
function key settings) from one session to the next.



That sounds good. In that case, could it be made to remember custom 
backgrounds from one session to the next? If I want to use the UK 
postcode layer, I have to add it manually every time.


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