Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Simon Ward  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 03:07:30AM +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>> >> There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of
>> >> relevance to this thread.
>> >


just tested, very promising ! and works like a charm on sid...

I got a segfault using the wms layer from NASA


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 03:07:30AM +, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> >> There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of
> >> relevance to this thread.
> >
> > /me suddenly gains an interest
> >
> > I'd already got an svn checkout but hadn't got as far as doing anything
> > with it.  I can at least make sure things build on Lenny and Sid.
> 
> Note that the debian port isn't about making things run on Debian.
> It's about integrating with the debian menu and other debian-ish
> things. If you just want to run it on Debian checking out trunk and
> typing `make' will work just fine.

Yep, fine.  I’d much rather have a package build that works than a
self‐compiled install.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-18 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Andy Allan  wrote:
>> I'll just point out that I got the trunk version working fine on
>> Ubuntu without modifications, so people shouldn't be afraid to try it
>> out. There were two dependencies (dang, I should have written them
>> down) and a simple "make" worked fine.

Yep. The branch introduces no new code yet; all it really contains is
some nice packaging stuff for a Debian/Ubuntu style DE, correct build-
dependencies for that environment etc. A standard

  $ fakeroot debian/rules binary

will do the right thing on the branch, and entirely the wrong thing in
trunk.

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> This should build and run it on Ubuntu:
> [...]

The osso and hildon stuff is Maemo-specific, and you don't need it for
an Ubuntu build. You miss out on some nice dbus stuff to turn gpsd on
and off and choice of project location using maemo-mapper, but that's all.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-17 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Simon Ward  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:37:31AM +, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) 
> wrote:
>> Anonymous read-only access exists, so have fun :) Poke Till or myself
>> via the osm2go-users mailing list if you have some contributions and
>> you'd like write access.
>>
>> There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of
>> relevance to this thread.
>
> /me suddenly gains an interest
>
> I'd already got an svn checkout but hadn't got as far as doing anything
> with it.  I can at least make sure things build on Lenny and Sid.

Note that the debian port isn't about making things run on Debian.
It's about integrating with the debian menu and other debian-ish
things. If you just want to run it on Debian checking out trunk and
typing `make' will work just fine.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:37:31AM +, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) wrote:
> Anonymous read-only access exists, so have fun :) Poke Till or myself 
> via the osm2go-users mailing list if you have some contributions and 
> you'd like write access.
> 
> There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of 
> relevance to this thread.

/me suddenly gains an interest

I’d already got an svn checkout but hadn’t got as far as doing anything
with it.  I can at least make sure things build on Lenny and Sid.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-17 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Andy Allan  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists)
>  wrote:
>> I feel really silly for having missed this thread earlier. It's a
>> corker, with a real live BAN POTLATCH!!! and everything.
>>
>>
>> People who'd like to test osm2go out on the desktop (and, ahem, like to
>> build things from source, and are running a recent Debian-based system)
>> might like to try out:
>>
>>   svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/branches/ports/debian
>
> I'll just point out that I got the trunk version working fine on
> Ubuntu without modifications, so people shouldn't be afraid to try it
> out. There were two dependencies (dang, I should have written them
> down) and a simple "make" worked fine.

This should build and run it on Ubuntu:

$ svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/trunk osm2go
$ cd osm2go
$ sudo aptitude install libcurl3-openssl-dev libgoocanvas-dev
libosso-dev libgpsmgr-dev libgpsbt-dev libosso-gnomevfs2-dev
libhildonfm2-dev mce-dev libgoocanvas3 debhelper
$ make
$ src/osm2go

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists)
 wrote:
> I feel really silly for having missed this thread earlier. It's a
> corker, with a real live BAN POTLATCH!!! and everything.
>
>
> People who'd like to test osm2go out on the desktop (and, ahem, like to
> build things from source, and are running a recent Debian-based system)
> might like to try out:
>
>   svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/branches/ports/debian

I'll just point out that I got the trunk version working fine on
Ubuntu without modifications, so people shouldn't be afraid to try it
out. There were two dependencies (dang, I should have written them
down) and a simple "make" worked fine.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists)
I feel really silly for having missed this thread earlier. It's a 
corker, with a real live BAN POTLATCH!!! and everything.


People who'd like to test osm2go out on the desktop (and, ahem, like to 
build things from source, and are running a recent Debian-based system) 
might like to try out:

   svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/branches/ports/debian

Working on freedesktop and Debian menu integration right now, though any 
feedback and patches at all will be gratefully accepted.

The target environment is going to be - initially - small-screened 
netbook machines like EeePCs. I'll be syncing from trunk and integrating 
my changes back regularly too, so that ought to keep some of the desktop 
bloat some people have feared out of the core program.

I'll upload some binary packages for common Debian-style systems later 
this week, once I've sorted out a package build script that works with 
our svn conventions. Apologies for the delay here.


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists)
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
>  wrote:
> 
> I forgot to ask, do you have a public repository for osm2go or do you
> only make release tarballs?

Ævar, hi --

Current development is focusing on the Maemo "garage" svn repository:

   https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=830

   svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/trunk

Anonymous read-only access exists, so have fun :) Poke Till or myself 
via the osm2go-users mailing list if you have some contributions and 
you'd like write access.

There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of 
relevance to this thread.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Ed Loach wrote:
> It is IE7 fully patched, and I'm guessing (as it doesn't always 
> do it) that it is user error (me). It is probably that when I 
> switch from one tab to the wiki tab and back that the way 
> looks like it is still selected but in reality the flash bit 
> doesn't have focus.

Right, gotcha.

I thought it might have been IE - on any other browser, closing Potlatch
with unsaved changes brings up a Javascript alert, something like "Are you
sure? You have unsaved changes" etc. etc.. But I could never get it to work
in IE: the only way I could find to successfully execute Javascript from
ActionScript (to set/unset the "dirty" variable) made an annoying
link-opening clack noise every time you called it. Which made editing hugely
unpleasant and counter-intuitive.

In fact, we've been talking "patches welcome" - maybe someone could help fix
this one?

http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/editors/potlatch/potlatch.as#L938
(note the IE line is commented out)

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Ed Loach
Richard asked:

> Ugh, that's horrid. What browser are you using? Other parts of
> the window
> shouldn't respond to keyboard events when an SWF (like
> Potlatch) has focus.

It is IE7 fully patched, and I'm guessing (as it doesn't always do
it) that it is user error (me). It is probably that when I switch
from one tab to the wiki tab and back that the way looks like it is
still selected but in reality the flash bit doesn't have focus.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Till Harbaum
Hi,

> Define trivial. 
I can just speak for myself and it took me some minutes to be able to 
do anything useful in josm. Potlatch on the other hand gave me very
nice and intuitive first few minutes, but i went in trouble once i 
tried to map things.

Don't get me wrong: I am really not saying "all the existing software
was crap so i had to write my own". I wanted to say: There was and is 
still a niche for other osm editors which i am trying to fill in a way that
differs from the existing software.

And the fact that my first version of osm2go looked pretty much 
mimiced the potlatch view should be taken as a compliment! 

The niches i saw were: Mobile usage and beginner friendlyness.
The latter one will imho become more and more important with 
osm getting more attention from average people.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Richard Fairhurst
 wrote:
>
> Ed Loach wrote:
>> I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from
>> map view to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing,
>> but once you've done that I still need to have an extra tab
>> open for the wiki page to keyboard shortcuts
>
> Once people have stopped ing around with the API, I'm hoping to actually
> have some time to spend on important things, like UI.

You don't have enough dashes for "enhanc"

> API 0.7 in 2011 and not before. :)

API 0.7 after API 0.6, and not before. Lets not set unachievable
target dates ;-)

Cheers,
Andy

> cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Ed Loach wrote:
> I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from 
> map view to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing, 
> but once you've done that I still need to have an extra tab 
> open for the wiki page to keyboard shortcuts

Once people have stopped ing around with the API, I'm hoping to actually
have some time to spend on important things, like UI.

API 0.7 in 2011 and not before. :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Ed Loach wrote:
> I find it annoying that sometimes I press Enter to stop
> editing a way, only for it to decide that I've clicked a link to
> take me elsewhere (user page, usually, I think) and I have 
> to go back and repeat the last few edits.

Ugh, that's horrid. What browser are you using? Other parts of the window
shouldn't respond to keyboard events when an SWF (like Potlatch) has focus.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Ed Loach
> JOSM imho isn't trivial for beginners. That may be where osm2go
> can help
> on the desktop.

Define trivial. 

I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from map view
to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing, but once you've
done that I still need to have an extra tab open for the wiki page
to keyboard shortcuts (especially where they differ from those in
JOSM). I find it annoying that sometimes I press Enter to stop
editing a way, only for it to decide that I've clicked a link to
take me elsewhere (user page, usually, I think) and I have to go
back and repeat the last few edits. It is getting easier over time
as I use it more, but I started with JOSM initially. Actually, I
tell a lie - when I first encountered the project I correcting the
spelling of a road name using Potlatch and then wondered why my
correction wasn't visible when I went back to view mode. I didn't
know about weekly rendering of Mapnik or about other layers at that
point (I hadn't even noticed the big plus in the corner or wondered
what it did).

At least once you've mastered downloading an area in JOSM and
uploading changes everything else seems to be available on handy
menus (or at the side of the screen if you want to add a tag
manually).

I use both, depending what I am doing. Recently I found that if I
switched the GPS traces on in JOSM I could *see* the two stripes of
a dual carriageway and the one in question was shifted a lane to one
side (so one carriageway was where the other should have been and
the other was missing the traces entirely), so I shifted all the
nodes onto the traces using Potlatch because I could easily drag the
map to get the next bit down the carriageway (for those interested
it was the A12 in the UK from Colchester towards London until it
lined up again). I also used Potlatch yesterday to fix a few things
highlighted by the Data Consistency checker recently mentioned on
the dev list
(http://keepright.ipax.at )
which is under development (as in last time I looked it was using
slightly outdated data and some of the issues highlighted locally
I'd already corrected).
I used JOSM yesterday to import photos next to my GPS traces to work
out which of the marked points were postboxes and which bus stops
(or a pub, or a post office).

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Till Harbaum wrote:
> The big show stopper with potlatch was that everything
> is stored in the database immediately, so you are always 
> afraid to damage things.

Of course, patches are always welcome. :)

The sole reason Potlatch doesn't have such an (optional) feature right now
is that I haven't figured out a decent, newbie-friendly UI for conflict
management. Conflict management isn't really an issue when you're
redownloading from the server every minute or so; it is when you're clicking
'Upload' after an hour's editing.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Till Harbaum
Hi,

Von: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> * The toolbar items don't have any tooltips - I've attached a patch
> that fixes this which you may or may not want to use as-is
Great, thanks. I applied it and it'll be part of the next release

> * When I select a way and try to add a node to a way I can't add a
> node where osm2go renders a direction arrow
Oops ... i missed that. Thanks for the hint.

> * It can't handle GPX tracks with multiple embedded tracks ("ignoring
> additional track"). This applies to pretty much all of my tracks
This should be rather simple to fix.

> * There are no shortcut keys for anything - or maybe there are and
> they only work on the nokia device. On the desktop it would be pretty
> neat to have "a" for add node, "w" for way, "p" for split way etc etc.
> The property dialog has the same problem
Good idea. I am mainly addressing mobile/touchscreen users and beginners.
Both don't have much need for shortcuts. But since they don't clutter the gui 
and
are nearly invisible to beginners i'd appreciate something like this. 
Perhaps staying close to JOSM would be a good idea.

Since you already asked for the repository: You are welcome to do such
changes directly in the repository.

Till


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Till Harbaum
Here you go:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osm2go

Till

- original Nachricht 

Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Gesendet: Di, 16. Dez 2008
Von: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
>  wrote:
> 
> I forgot to ask, do you have a public repository for osm2go or do you
> only make release tarballs?
> 

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Till Harbaum
Hi,

> I had already planned to try osm2go on my eee (4G), where I try to use
> josm, but the screen resolution is problematic; a debian package would
> make me go from "sooner or later" to "right now" :)
Would you be able to compile osm2go for the eee and give it a trial?

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Till Harbaum
Hi,

- original Nachricht 
> value. If you can manage to do both then do it, but I believe that if 
> you aim too much at large-screen users then you may get all sorts of 
> feature requests from that area which actually make the application 
> worse (or, at least, more clumsy) for the small screen/mobile use, and 
> that would be a pity.
I totally agree.

This is not meant to become the full-blown editor with all bells and 
whistles. Indeed JOSM seems to fultfill these demands already.

As a desktop app i'd rather see this as a beginner tool. Something that
potlatch might be. I remember my first steps in osm land as they aren't
were long ago and i basically wanted to use potlatch as it seemed 
an easy entry. The big show stopper with potlatch was that everything
is stored in the database immediately, so you are always afraid to
damage things. As long as you don't select "upload" osm2go is completely
safe for the main database.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Till Harbaum
Hi,

i am afraid i don't get the relationship of your question with osm2go. Do
you want to achieve this using osm2go?

Till

- original Nachricht 

Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Gesendet: Di, 16. Dez 2008
Von: Andre Schoonbee

> Hi List
> 
> I have a basic question:
> 
> I have new data for some towns and also some national roads. I now need to
> update the respective areas. This would mean I need to delete the current
> roads and load the new data. 
> 
> By using Merkaartor I could download the respective town data, but how do I
> download a larger area for the national road. 
> 
> Secondly, what is the best or correct process for updating (deletion
> existing and adding new) road data for an area. 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Andre Schoonbee wrote:
> By using Merkaartor I could download the respective town data, but how do I
> download a larger area for the national road. 

You can do that using OSMXAPI (see Wiki entry "Xapi").

> Secondly, what is the best or correct process for updating (deletion
> existing and adding new) road data for an area. 

If at all possible, it is always preferable to improve existing data, 
rather than deleting it and replacing it with something else. This keeps 
history intact.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Andre Schoonbee
Hi List

I have a basic question:

I have new data for some towns and also some national roads. I now need to
update the respective areas. This would mean I need to delete the current
roads and load the new data. 

By using Merkaartor I could download the respective town data, but how do I
download a larger area for the national road. 

Secondly, what is the best or correct process for updating (deletion
existing and adding new) road data for an area. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Till Harbaum / Lists wrote:
> So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small
> devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another
> desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux 
> machines?

Editing on mobile devices or on devices with small screens in general is 
a big weakness in our current tool landscape. I halfway expected someone 
to make a "JOSM small screen edition" but nobody did; maybe that's 
because the JOSM developer community does not use small screens all that 
much.

There is nothing to say (from my side) against another desktop editor 
but the small screen/mobile use is where osm2go really adds the most 
value. If you can manage to do both then do it, but I believe that if 
you aim too much at large-screen users then you may get all sorts of 
feature requests from that area which actually make the application 
worse (or, at least, more clumsy) for the small screen/mobile use, and 
that would be a pity.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists  wrote:
> So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small
> devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another
> desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux 
> machines?

I don't think there is a real need for another desktop editor, but an
editor focused on small device would probably work great on the
netbooks, and binary packages for common linux distros would be very
useful for those.

I had already planned to try osm2go on my eee (4G), where I try to use
josm, but the screen resolution is problematic; a debian package would
make me go from "sooner or later" to "right now" :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
 wrote:

I forgot to ask, do you have a public repository for osm2go or do you
only make release tarballs?
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists  wrote:
> So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small
> devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another
> desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux 
> machines?

It certainly looks very promising. I downloaded 0.6 and tried it out
and found some minor problems, most/all of which you're probably aware
of.

* The toolbar items don't have any tooltips - I've attached a patch
that fixes this which you may or may not want to use as-is
* When I select a way and try to add a node to a way I can't add a
node where osm2go renders a direction arrow
* It can't handle GPX tracks with multiple embedded tracks ("ignoring
additional track"). This applies to pretty much all of my tracks
* There are no shortcut keys for anything - or maybe there are and
they only work on the nokia device. On the desktop it would be pretty
neat to have "a" for add node, "w" for way, "p" for split way etc etc.
The property dialog has the same problem

But it certainly has potential. Most of the issues I listed are minor
UI issues which are easy to fix and the core looks to be good, and
it's fast & snappy.
diff --git a/iconbar.c b/iconbar.c
index 38fd4f9..686de63 100644
--- a/iconbar.c
+++ b/iconbar.c
@@ -168,12 +168,15 @@ GtkWidget *icon_add(GtkWidget *vbox, appdata_t *appdata,
 }
 
 static GtkWidget *tool_add(GtkWidget *toolbar, appdata_t *appdata, 
-		char *icon_str, 
+		char *icon_str,
+		char *tooltip_str,
 		void(*func)(GtkButton*, gpointer)) {
   GtkWidget *item = 
 GTK_WIDGET(gtk_tool_button_new(
 	   icon_widget_load(&appdata->icon, icon_str), NULL));
 
+  gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text(item, tooltip_str);
+
   if(func)
 gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(item), "clicked",
 		   (GtkSignalFunc)func, appdata);
@@ -195,39 +198,39 @@ GtkWidget *iconbar_new(appdata_t *appdata) {
   gtk_toolbar_set_style(GTK_TOOLBAR(iconbar->toolbar), GTK_TOOLBAR_ICONS);
 
   /*  */
-  iconbar->trash = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, 
-			"trash", on_trash_clicked);
+  iconbar->trash = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata,
+			"trash", "Delete item", on_trash_clicked);
 
   /*  */
   gtk_toolbar_insert(GTK_TOOLBAR(iconbar->toolbar), 
 		 gtk_separator_tool_item_new(),-1);
-  iconbar->info = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "info", on_info_clicked);
+  iconbar->info = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "info", _("Properties"), on_info_clicked);
 
   /*  */
   gtk_toolbar_insert(GTK_TOOLBAR(iconbar->toolbar), 
 		 gtk_separator_tool_item_new(),-1);
 
-  iconbar->node_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "node_add", 
+  iconbar->node_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "node_add", _("Add node"), 
 			   on_node_add_clicked);
 
   /*  */
   gtk_toolbar_insert(GTK_TOOLBAR(iconbar->toolbar), 
 		 gtk_separator_tool_item_new(),-1);
 
-  iconbar->way_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_add", 
+  iconbar->way_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_add", _("Add way"),
 			  on_way_add_clicked);
-  iconbar->way_node_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_node_add", 
+  iconbar->way_node_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_node_add", _("Add a node to a way"),
 			  on_way_node_add_clicked);
-  iconbar->way_cut = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_cut", 
+  iconbar->way_cut = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_cut", _("Split way at a given node"),
 			  on_way_cut_clicked);
-  iconbar->way_reverse = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_reverse", 
+  iconbar->way_reverse = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "way_reverse", _("Reverse way"),
 			  on_way_reverse_clicked);
 
   /*  */
   gtk_toolbar_insert(GTK_TOOLBAR(iconbar->toolbar), 
 		 gtk_separator_tool_item_new(),-1);
 
-  iconbar->relation_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "relation_add", 
+  iconbar->relation_add = tool_add(iconbar->toolbar, appdata, "relation_add", _("Add relation"),
 			  on_relation_add_clicked);
 
   gtk_box_pack_start(GTK_BOX(vbox), iconbar->toolbar, TRUE, TRUE, 0);
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Till Harbaum / Lists
Hi,

Am Montag 15 Dezember 2008 schrieb sylvain letuffe:
> I suppose you didn't asked that if it was allready ready for linux distro, so 
> there might be an additionnal cost such as :
> - package making
> - compilation testing
> - libraries dependencies
> etc.
You mean after writing 12.000 lines of code it may just be too much work writing
a debian control file? 

> So yes, I'm interested, but unfortunetly don't have enough knowlege to help
Ok, _that_'s a reason. 

Till

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread sylvain letuffe

> "Porting costs"? What's that supposed to be?

In the case of osm2go :
- developpers's time 

I suppose you didn't asked that if it was allready ready for linux distro, so 
there might be an additionnal cost such as :
- package making
- compilation testing
- libraries dependencies
etc.

So yes, I'm interested, but unfortunetly don't have enough knowlege to help

> JOSM imho isn't trivial for beginners. That may be where osm2go can help
> on the desktop.

Sure ! but maybe no only to beginners


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Till Harbaum / Lists
Hi,

Am Montag 15 Dezember 2008 schrieb sylvain letuffe:
> I'll be happy to give it a go, if the porting cost isn't too huge.
"Porting costs"? What's that supposed to be?

> JOSM is allready quite good, but in liberty, there is diversity... and one 
> editors and a half doesn't look enough to me
JOSM imho isn't trivial for beginners. That may be where osm2go can help
on the desktop.

Till

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread sylvain letuffe

> So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small
> devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another
> desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux
> machines? 

I'll be happy to give it a go, if the porting cost isn't too huge.

JOSM is allready quite good, but in liberty, there is diversity... and one 
editors and a half doesn't look enough to me


#troll
And java apps sucks.too much memory,... oups no, I didn't say 
that.
#end_troll

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi,

> So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small
> devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another
> desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux
> machines?

IMO it would fill the gap between JOSM and Potlatch. There's already 
Merkaartor in between, but I cannot judge how much it's used and how well it 
works.

Just my two cents,

ce


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[OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-15 Thread Till Harbaum / Lists
Hi,

osm2go is evolving faster than i expected and with first volunteers joining
development things progress even faster,

We recently implemented support for JOSMs elemstyle.xml file allowing us
to display everything very close to the josm style. However, things didn't stop
there and we have started to extend the format for e.g. dashed lines (next
will likely be some way to describe bridges as potlatch displays them).

Also Andrew wrote a mapnik like style which imho is the nicest style so far
and which has been selected to be the osm2go default style. See

http://www.harbaum.org/till/maemo/osm2go-0.6-7.jpg

So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small
devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another
desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux machines?

Till

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