Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Sebastian S.]

I agree that putting the building on the map should rank higher than giving it 
a lifecycle or damaged attribute that hard to assess from the image quality. 

This is also the approach I recall from HOT disaster mapping. Roads and 
building from satellite, destruction details from ground crew. (Admittedly I 
might be wrong here).

On 8 February 2020 6:44:30 pm AEDT, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>> *Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings &
>other
>> POI, without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far
>as
>> OSM is concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the
>disaster
>> recovery side of things?*
>>
> This seems like a productive idea to me... capturing buildings in
>bushfire-affected areas could produce a useful input to spatial
>analyses. I
>don't know what the agencies already have in this regard though.
>
>On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 17:14, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
>> Some new imagery is being uploaded... not sure on resolution
>>
>>
>> Cheers - Phil,
>> On the road with his iPad
>>
>> On 8 Feb 2020, at 5:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:24, Ewen Hill  wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly the Planet quality appears less than optimal.
>>>
>>
>> You're not wrong!
>>
>>
>>> If I look at the town of Cobargo where there were buildings lost
>just
>>> north east of the Narira Creek Highway crossing, I can't tell.what
>has been
>>> destroyed, damaged or otherwise. :
>>> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7898?task=591
>>>
>>
>> No, there's no way of telling if a building has been damaged - I'm
>been
>> mapping for a while & I couldn't even pick them as buildings, without
>> changing to a different set of imagery. Where I was just looking I
>couldn't
>> even tell if the area had actually been burnt over - it all looked
>like
>> normal dry grassland to me?
>>
>> I think we really need to come up with a backup plan for this event
>and
>>> quietly push SSSI towards that.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other
>POI,
>> without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as
>OSM is
>> concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster
>> recovery side of things?
>>
>>
>>> We don't want people's first taste of OSM to be a poor one.
>>>
>>
>> No, & I agree with you that it won't be a good, first look :-(
>>
>>   Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[John Bryant]

>
> *Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other
> POI, without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as
> OSM is concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster
> recovery side of things?*
>
 This seems like a productive idea to me... capturing buildings in
bushfire-affected areas could produce a useful input to spatial analyses. I
don't know what the agencies already have in this regard though.

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 17:14, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Some new imagery is being uploaded... not sure on resolution
>
>
> Cheers - Phil,
> On the road with his iPad
>
> On 8 Feb 2020, at 5:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:24, Ewen Hill  wrote:
>
>> Sadly the Planet quality appears less than optimal.
>>
>
> You're not wrong!
>
>
>> If I look at the town of Cobargo where there were buildings lost just
>> north east of the Narira Creek Highway crossing, I can't tell.what has been
>> destroyed, damaged or otherwise. :
>> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7898?task=591
>>
>
> No, there's no way of telling if a building has been damaged - I'm been
> mapping for a while & I couldn't even pick them as buildings, without
> changing to a different set of imagery. Where I was just looking I couldn't
> even tell if the area had actually been burnt over - it all looked like
> normal dry grassland to me?
>
> I think we really need to come up with a backup plan for this event and
>> quietly push SSSI towards that.
>>
>
> Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other POI,
> without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as OSM is
> concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster
> recovery side of things?
>
>
>> We don't want people's first taste of OSM to be a poor one.
>>
>
> No, & I agree with you that it won't be a good, first look :-(
>
>   Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Phil Wyatt]

Some new imagery is being uploaded... not sure on resolution


Cheers - Phil, 
On the road with his iPad 

> On 8 Feb 2020, at 5:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:24, Ewen Hill  wrote:
>> Sadly the Planet quality appears less than optimal.
> 
> You're not wrong!
>  
>> If I look at the town of Cobargo where there were buildings lost just north 
>> east of the Narira Creek Highway crossing, I can't tell.what has been 
>> destroyed, damaged or otherwise. :  
>> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7898?task=591
> 
> No, there's no way of telling if a building has been damaged - I'm been 
> mapping for a while & I couldn't even pick them as buildings, without 
> changing to a different set of imagery. Where I was just looking I couldn't 
> even tell if the area had actually been burnt over - it all looked like 
> normal dry grassland to me? 
> 
>> I think we really need to come up with a backup plan for this event and 
>> quietly push SSSI towards that.
> 
> Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other POI, 
> without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as OSM is 
> concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster recovery 
> side of things?
>  
>> We don't want people's first taste of OSM to be a poor one.
> 
> No, & I agree with you that it won't be a good, first look :-( 
> 
>   Thanks
> 
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:24, Ewen Hill  wrote:

> Sadly the Planet quality appears less than optimal.
>

You're not wrong!


> If I look at the town of Cobargo where there were buildings lost just
> north east of the Narira Creek Highway crossing, I can't tell.what has been
> destroyed, damaged or otherwise. :
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7898?task=591
>

No, there's no way of telling if a building has been damaged - I'm been
mapping for a while & I couldn't even pick them as buildings, without
changing to a different set of imagery. Where I was just looking I couldn't
even tell if the area had actually been burnt over - it all looked like
normal dry grassland to me?

I think we really need to come up with a backup plan for this event and
> quietly push SSSI towards that.
>

Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other POI,
without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as OSM is
concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster
recovery side of things?


> We don't want people's first taste of OSM to be a poor one.
>

No, & I agree with you that it won't be a good, first look :-(

  Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Ewen Hill]

Sadly the Planet quality appears less than optimal. If I look at the town
of Cobargo where there were buildings lost just north east of the Narira
Creek Highway crossing, I can't tell.what has been destroyed, damaged or
otherwise. :  https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7898?task=591

KI, South Australia has no Planet imagery whatsoever and Victoria area has
relatively few building losses or damage in that area and will be as boring
as batshit to map each square.

I have seen better Planet imagery so are we playing with the full deck
here? I think we really need to come up with a backup plan for this event
and quietly push SSSI towards that. We don't want people's first taste of
OSM to be a poor one.

Ewen

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:13, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> The projects to which these instructions apply are located here
>
>
>
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=sssi
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 8 February 2020 3:18 PM
> *To:* OSM Australian Talk List 
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon -
> Sunday 9th Feb
>
>
>
> The SSSI organiser shared their proposed "training guide" with me and gave
> me permission to share it here in the list.
>
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EhdKG2IctNODA6IuCfPJTrDjqOQZZk0lLp1KjprZxD4/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 14:43, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:25, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
> I finally managed to get in touch with one of the organisers, and raised
> the licensing/waiver issue. They've said they asked Planet Labs for the
> waiver, I've also independently reached out to the Planet Labs disasters
> contact with background on why OSM asks for the waiver and the waiver
> asking them if they can complete it if they would like OSM to be able to
> use their disaster imagery. Given the mapathon is on Sunday it's a
> nervous wait to see if they'll respond in time.
>
>
>
> Thanks to many people behind the scenes we obtained the necessary CC
> waiver from Planet Labs. I've updated
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue with the
> details. I'll update the Contributors page on Sunday when I see some edits
> come through.
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Phil Wyatt]

The projects to which these instructions apply are located here

 

https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL 
<https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=sssi> &text=sssi

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Saturday, 8 February 2020 3:18 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th 
Feb

 

The SSSI organiser shared their proposed "training guide" with me and gave me 
permission to share it here in the list.

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EhdKG2IctNODA6IuCfPJTrDjqOQZZk0lLp1KjprZxD4/edit?usp=sharing

 

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 14:43, Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:25, Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I finally managed to get in touch with one of the organisers, and raised the 
licensing/waiver issue. They've said they asked Planet Labs for the waiver, 
I've also independently reached out to the Planet Labs disasters contact with 
background on why OSM asks for the waiver and the waiver asking them if they 
can complete it if they would like OSM to be able to use their disaster 
imagery. Given the mapathon is on Sunday it's a nervous wait to see if they'll 
respond in time.

 

Thanks to many people behind the scenes we obtained the necessary CC waiver 
from Planet Labs. I've updated 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue with the details. 
I'll update the Contributors page on Sunday when I see some edits come through. 

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

The SSSI organiser shared their proposed "training guide" with me and gave
me permission to share it here in the list.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EhdKG2IctNODA6IuCfPJTrDjqOQZZk0lLp1KjprZxD4/edit?usp=sharing

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 14:43, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:25, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> I finally managed to get in touch with one of the organisers, and raised
>> the licensing/waiver issue. They've said they asked Planet Labs for the
>> waiver, I've also independently reached out to the Planet Labs disasters
>> contact with background on why OSM asks for the waiver and the waiver
>> asking them if they can complete it if they would like OSM to be able to
>> use their disaster imagery. Given the mapathon is on Sunday it's a
>> nervous wait to see if they'll respond in time.
>>
>
> Thanks to many people behind the scenes we obtained the necessary CC
> waiver from Planet Labs. I've updated
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue with the
> details. I'll update the Contributors page on Sunday when I see some edits
> come through.
>
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Davidson]

On 7/2/20 12:31 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:


While that's true, I don't see that a reason not to try. In my eyes it's 
no different to someone who maps out all the shops in a retail area, 
which also will go out of date quickly.




Not really a good example as I would also question the utility of 
mapping shops. Everything we map has a finite life but somethings have a 
life span so short that, given the number of active mappers we have in 
Australia, most of the time they spend on the map is going to be while 
they are incorrect.


I have mostly mapped shops by deleting them once they have gone. I don't 
bother putting a shop on the map unless it is something I think is going 
to be around for a while ie: a supermarket.


Same thing with landuse=construction. Unless it is something I want to 
map because I know what the development name is for example, I don't map 
those either.


The problem here is that a large amount of mapping is going to be done 
at once by people that I suspect are not regular OSM contributors and 
the expectation is that it's OK we can deal with fixing up their work.


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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:25, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> I finally managed to get in touch with one of the organisers, and raised
> the licensing/waiver issue. They've said they asked Planet Labs for the
> waiver, I've also independently reached out to the Planet Labs disasters
> contact with background on why OSM asks for the waiver and the waiver
> asking them if they can complete it if they would like OSM to be able to
> use their disaster imagery. Given the mapathon is on Sunday it's a
> nervous wait to see if they'll respond in time.
>

Thanks to many people behind the scenes we obtained the necessary CC waiver
from Planet Labs. I've updated
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue with the
details. I'll update the Contributors page on Sunday when I see some edits
come through.
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 23:37, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

>
> Yes it will go out of date quickly but so does landuse=construction. If
> anything by flagging it as damaged, ruined, razed it attributes this
> feature as needed to be checked again soon.
>

Yep, as I said on the other thread, they all need a fixme= added, as well
as "damaged"

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 19:42, Ewen Hill  wrote:

>
> I would like to see something a bit smarter than this. Something that can
> assist people on the ground now would be highly beneficial. A "Hell yes, we
> are open" web-site that *small *businesses can advertise would be great.
> A whole lot of other things could be done well before adding a temporary
> updates. These towns are going to really struggle in winter and people
> drift off.
>

Completely OT to mapping, but saw this article a few weeks ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-13/community-campaigns-helping-bushfire-towns-bounce-back/11859990

& this is the site they mentioned
https://www.roadtripforgood.org.au/locale/roadtrip-for-good

There are already other similar sites appearing as well, so good on 'em! :-)

  Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 20:52, Andrew Davidson  wrote:

> On 6/2/20 8:39 pm, Ewen Hill wrote:
> >The states have sent out a rapid impact assessment teams to all areas
> > now and have followed up with detailed analysis in most. We know what
> > has been damaged, destroyed and what was inhabited, what wasn't and what
> > other assets were damaged. We also know the structure type, bedroom
> > count etc. Any updates on Sunday are not going to help anyone in social
> > services, council, planning, asbestos removal. I honestly don't know
> > what benefit this will be and as Warin correctly stated, updated.
>
> I agree. I was thinking about the utility of trying to map this stuff
> from aerial imagery when the groups that are responding will all ready
> have much better datasets. Australia is not Haiti or Nepal.
>

I checked out the provided imagery from Planet Labs, from what I could tell
the resolution is too low to make out buildings, for large buildings you
might see a 4 white pixels, but not enough to confidently make out that
it's a building let alone if it's destroyed or not.


> This is one of the biggest problems with the damaged=* tag. It needs to
> be updated regularly because we know that it's a temporary state, and
> who is going to do that?
>

Yes it will go out of date quickly but so does landuse=construction. If
anything by flagging it as damaged, ruined, razed it attributes this
feature as needed to be checked again soon. StreetComplete already does
this for landuse=construction, every month or so it will prompt you "Is
this feature still in construction?".
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[Andrew Harvey]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 20:39, Ewen Hill  wrote:

> I will be attending Melbourne however I have deep reservations about this
> and that doesn't include the Waiver which is key to the entire project.
>
>   The states have sent out a rapid impact assessment teams to all areas
> now and have followed up with detailed analysis in most. We know what has
> been damaged, destroyed and what was inhabited, what wasn't and what other
> assets were damaged. We also know the structure type, bedroom count etc.
> Any updates on Sunday are not going to help anyone in social services,
> council, planning, asbestos removal. I honestly don't know what benefit
> this will be and as Warin correctly stated, updated.
>

Agreed.


>
> The removal of buildings and rubble including asbestos will take
> significant time. What is there now, may not be there in 6-12 months and
> the map will be out of date.
>

While that's true, I don't see that a reason not to try. In my eyes it's no
different to someone who maps out all the shops in a retail area, which
also will go out of date quickly.


>
> The other thing to remember is to respect those who have lost everything
> don't need to see damaged/destroyed  on their property as they try and
> rebuild it.
>
> I do see benefit in mapping commercial premises and public assets that
> have been affected.
>
> I would like to see something a bit smarter than this. Something that can
> assist people on the ground now would be highly beneficial. A "Hell yes, we
> are open" web-site that *small *businesses can advertise would be great.
> A whole lot of other things could be done well before adding a temporary
> updates. These towns are going to really struggle in winter and people
> drift off.
>

Maybe an effort to get these rural businesses mapped in OSM, with all the
frills that go with that, website, contact phone/email, opening hours.
Being on the map would help bring customers in the door.
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Davidson]

On 6/2/20 8:39 pm, Ewen Hill wrote:
   The states have sent out a rapid impact assessment teams to all areas 
now and have followed up with detailed analysis in most. We know what 
has been damaged, destroyed and what was inhabited, what wasn't and what 
other assets were damaged. We also know the structure type, bedroom 
count etc. Any updates on Sunday are not going to help anyone in social 
services, council, planning, asbestos removal. I honestly don't know 
what benefit this will be and as Warin correctly stated, updated.


I agree. I was thinking about the utility of trying to map this stuff 
from aerial imagery when the groups that are responding will all ready 
have much better datasets. Australia is not Haiti or Nepal.


I can also understand that SSSI wants to do something to help, that's a 
very natural human emotion. I just don't think this is it.


The removal of buildings and rubble including asbestos will take 
significant time. What is there now, may not be there in 6-12 months and 
the map will be out of date.


This is one of the biggest problems with the damaged=* tag. It needs to 
be updated regularly because we know that it's a temporary state, and 
who is going to do that?


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[Ewen Hill]

I will be attending Melbourne however I have deep reservations about this
and that doesn't include the Waiver which is key to the entire project.

  The states have sent out a rapid impact assessment teams to all areas now
and have followed up with detailed analysis in most. We know what has been
damaged, destroyed and what was inhabited, what wasn't and what other
assets were damaged. We also know the structure type, bedroom count etc.
Any updates on Sunday are not going to help anyone in social services,
council, planning, asbestos removal. I honestly don't know what benefit
this will be and as Warin correctly stated, updated.

The removal of buildings and rubble including asbestos will take
significant time. What is there now, may not be there in 6-12 months and
the map will be out of date.

The other thing to remember is to respect those who have lost everything
don't need to see damaged/destroyed  on their property as they try and
rebuild it.

I do see benefit in mapping commercial premises and public assets that have
been affected.

I would like to see something a bit smarter than this. Something that can
assist people on the ground now would be highly beneficial. A "Hell yes, we
are open" web-site that *small *businesses can advertise would be great. A
whole lot of other things could be done well before adding a temporary
updates. These towns are going to really struggle in winter and people
drift off.

Ewen

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:28, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> I finally managed to get in touch with one of the organisers, and raised
> the licensing/waiver issue. They've said they asked Planet Labs for the
> waiver, I've also independently reached out to the Planet Labs disasters
> contact with background on why OSM asks for the waiver and the waiver
> asking them if they can complete it if they would like OSM to be able to
> use their disaster imagery. Given the mapathon is on Sunday it's a
> nervous wait to see if they'll respond in time.
>
> I've presented the organiser with an alternative of using ARA's imagery
> for Adelaide Hills and Kangaroo Island (though I just went through and
> mapped out most of Kangaroo Island last night, and KI won't be enough to
> sustain a nation wide mapathon). I also mentioned the Maxar imagery, but
> they don't have much post-event imagery published yet, so can't easily be
> used to identify damaged buildings.
>
> The organiser was not fully across exactly how the HOT Tasking Manager
> worked, they thought edits won't go into OSM until after being validated,
> so they thought without the waiver they could just not upload to OSM, but I
> informed them that's not how the HOT Tasking Manager works, all edits are
> saved into OSM even before the Tasking Manager validation step.
>
> They said if they can't get the waiver they "plan to extract the changeset
> out of OSM post mapathons (this Sunday) at which stage we would expect the
> data not to be committed to OSM". That doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> Since I'm now part of the Data Working Group, I briefly discussed it with
> them and if we don't have the waiver or explicit permission to trace their
> imagery in OSM then we will have no choice but to revert edits / or temp
> block accounts. The LWG policy is clear that for the avoidance of doubt we
> need additional waiver / explicit permission when tracing CC BY, CC BY-SA
> or CC BY-NC imagery.
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:00, Sebastian S.  wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew, are they (the organisers) aware of the licensing
>> issues/requirements?
>>
>> Are they following here? Please engage with the discussion :-)
>>
>> On 6 February 2020 12:37:16 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey <
>> andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on
>>> mapping within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to
>>> scrabble to validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for
>>> their imagery to be traced into OSM.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but
 by the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they
 are creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open
 data, they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on
 consuming OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've
 identified as important or useful to map.

 What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
 https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.

 1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from
 Planet Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver
 for use in OpenStreetMap.

 2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access
 to Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer
 organizations, humanitarian organizations, an

Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

I finally managed to get in touch with one of the organisers, and raised
the licensing/waiver issue. They've said they asked Planet Labs for the
waiver, I've also independently reached out to the Planet Labs disasters
contact with background on why OSM asks for the waiver and the waiver
asking them if they can complete it if they would like OSM to be able to
use their disaster imagery. Given the mapathon is on Sunday it's a
nervous wait to see if they'll respond in time.

I've presented the organiser with an alternative of using ARA's imagery for
Adelaide Hills and Kangaroo Island (though I just went through and mapped
out most of Kangaroo Island last night, and KI won't be enough to sustain a
nation wide mapathon). I also mentioned the Maxar imagery, but they don't
have much post-event imagery published yet, so can't easily be used to
identify damaged buildings.

The organiser was not fully across exactly how the HOT Tasking Manager
worked, they thought edits won't go into OSM until after being validated,
so they thought without the waiver they could just not upload to OSM, but I
informed them that's not how the HOT Tasking Manager works, all edits are
saved into OSM even before the Tasking Manager validation step.

They said if they can't get the waiver they "plan to extract the changeset
out of OSM post mapathons (this Sunday) at which stage we would expect the
data not to be committed to OSM". That doesn't make any sense to me.

Since I'm now part of the Data Working Group, I briefly discussed it with
them and if we don't have the waiver or explicit permission to trace their
imagery in OSM then we will have no choice but to revert edits / or temp
block accounts. The LWG policy is clear that for the avoidance of doubt we
need additional waiver / explicit permission when tracing CC BY, CC BY-SA
or CC BY-NC imagery.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:00, Sebastian S.  wrote:

> Hi Andrew, are they (the organisers) aware of the licensing
> issues/requirements?
>
> Are they following here? Please engage with the discussion :-)
>
> On 6 February 2020 12:37:16 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey <
> andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on
>> mapping within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to
>> scrabble to validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for
>> their imagery to be traced into OSM.
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by
>>> the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are
>>> creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data,
>>> they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming
>>> OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as
>>> important or useful to map.
>>>
>>> What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
>>> https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.
>>>
>>> 1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from
>>> Planet Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver
>>> for use in OpenStreetMap.
>>>
>>> 2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access
>>> to Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer
>>> organizations, humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies."
>>> it's unclear how we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But
>>> for now at least, without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery
>>> for use in OpenStreetMap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway  wrote:
>>>
 Hi group,

 I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been
 shared already and I missed it:
 https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon

 Extract from the above page:

 *The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on
 Sunday, 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register
 visit: SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
 
  *

 *SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for
 reaching out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the
 continued offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within
 Australia and globally.*



 From reading through the pages, they are going to be using
 OpenStreetMap in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure
 if they have any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already
 mentioned on the list...



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[Sebastian S.]

Hi Andrew, are they (the organisers) aware of the licensing issues/requirements?

Are they following here? Please engage with the discussion :-)

On 6 February 2020 12:37:16 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey  
wrote:
>I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on
>mapping within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to
>scrabble to validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission
>for
>their imagery to be traced into OSM.
>
>On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey 
>wrote:
>
>> I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but
>by
>> the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they
>are
>> creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open
>data,
>> they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on
>consuming
>> OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified
>as
>> important or useful to map.
>>
>> What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
>> https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.
>>
>> 1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from
>Planet
>> Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver
>for use
>> in OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> 2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited
>access to
>> Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer
>organizations,
>> humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's
>unclear
>> how we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now
>at
>> least, without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for
>use in
>> OpenStreetMap.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway 
>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi group,
>>>
>>> I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has
>been
>>> shared already and I missed it:
>>> https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon
>>>
>>> Extract from the above page:
>>>
>>> *The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on
>Sunday,
>>> 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register
>visit: SSSI
>>> National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
>>>
>
>*
>>>
>>> *SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for
>reaching
>>> out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the
>continued
>>> offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within
>Australia
>>> and globally.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From reading through the pages, they are going to be using
>OpenStreetMap
>>> in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they
>have
>>> any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on
>the
>>> list...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Warin]

On 6/2/20 3:21 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:14, Andrew Harvey > wrote:


Fair point, I didn't find it since it's not documented
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/damage#wiki. The two tags
can coexist so I don't see a problem with using damage as a quick
and easy method for new contributors.


As long as it's actually observable on imagery, which will always be a 
problem :-(


& how experienced are the people doing the mapping? I've seen it 
mentioned in the past that HOT mapping was being done by classes of 
high school / Uni students who were given a basic "Intro to OSM", then 
told "Get to it & map".


BTW Phil - very interesting article, thanks!




I'd bet that the information is never updated. Once HOT has finished do 
they ever do a tidy up?



Should all damaged tags be deleted? There is over 100,000 of them.

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:14, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> Fair point, I didn't find it since it's not documented
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/damage#wiki. The two tags can
> coexist so I don't see a problem with using damage as a quick and easy
> method for new contributors.
>

As long as it's actually observable on imagery, which will always be a
problem :-(

& how experienced are the people doing the mapping? I've seen it mentioned
in the past that HOT mapping was being done by classes of high school / Uni
students who were given a basic "Intro to OSM", then told "Get to it & map".

BTW Phil - very interesting article, thanks!

  Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

Fair point, I didn't find it since it's not documented
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/damage#wiki. The two tags can
coexist so I don't see a problem with using damage as a quick and easy
method for new contributors.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:04, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> The damage tag has been widely used in past international events
>
>
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=damage
>
>
>
> Oh for a standardised tagging system!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 6 February 2020 1:44 PM
> *To:* Phil Wyatt 
> *Cc:* Stephen Backway ; talk-au <
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon -
> Sunday 9th Feb
>
>
>
> The lifecycle prefix is the way to go
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix and has already been
> used fairly widespread to map impact from the current fire season.
>
>
>
> razed:building=*
>
> ruins:building=*
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:05, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I am also not sure that adding Damage=No is suitable for OSM either?
>
>
>
> *If the building footprint already exists then add a "Damaged" tag with a
> value of "Yes" if it looks to have been impacted by fire or "No" if it has
> not been impacted by fire. If you are unsure do not enter a tag at all.*
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:37 PM
> *To:* Stephen Backway 
> *Cc:* talk-au 
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon -
> Sunday 9th Feb
>
>
>
> I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on
> mapping within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to
> scrabble to validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for
> their imagery to be traced into OSM.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
> I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by
> the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are
> creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data,
> they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming
> OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as
> important or useful to map.
>
>
>
> What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
> https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.
>
>
>
> 1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet
> Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use
> in OpenStreetMap.
>
>
>
> 2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to
> Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations,
> humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear
> how we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at
> least, without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in
> OpenStreetMap.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway  wrote:
>
> Hi group,
>
>
>
> I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been
> shared already and I missed it:
>
> https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon
>
>
>
> Extract from the above page:
>
> *The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday,
> 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI
> National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
> <https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/sssi-national-bushfire-recovery-map-a-thon-nat057-tickets-90744133145>
>  *
>
> *SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching
> out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued
> offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia
> and globally.*
>
>
>
> From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap
> in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have
> any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the
> list...
>
>
>
> Stephen.
>
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Phil Wyatt]

The damage tag has been widely used in past international events

 

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=damage

 

Oh for a standardised tagging system!

 

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2020 1:44 PM
To: Phil Wyatt 
Cc: Stephen Backway ; talk-au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th 
Feb

 

The lifecycle prefix is the way to go 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix and has already been used 
fairly widespread to map impact from the current fire season.

 

razed:building=*

ruins:building=*

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:05, Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

I am also not sure that adding Damage=No is suitable for OSM either?

 

If the building footprint already exists then add a "Damaged" tag with a value 
of "Yes" if it looks to have been impacted by fire or "No" if it has not been 
impacted by fire. If you are unsure do not enter a tag at all.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> 
> 
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:37 PM
To: Stephen Backway mailto:stev...@email.com> >
Cc: talk-au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th 
Feb

 

I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on mapping 
within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to scrabble to 
validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for their imagery to 
be traced into OSM.

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by the 
looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are creating 
their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data, they haven't 
stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming OpenStreetMap 
though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as important or useful to 
map.

 

What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery 
https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.

 

1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet 
Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use in 
OpenStreetMap.

 

2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to 
Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations, 
humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear how 
we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at least, 
without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in 
OpenStreetMap.

 

 

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway mailto:stev...@email.com> > wrote:

Hi group,

 

I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been shared 
already and I missed it:

https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon

 

Extract from the above page:

The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday, 9th 
February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI 
National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon 
<https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/sssi-national-bushfire-recovery-map-a-thon-nat057-tickets-90744133145>
  

SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching out to 
assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued offers of 
assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia and globally.

 

>From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap in 
>conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have any new 
>datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the list...

 

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

The lifecycle prefix is the way to go
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix and has already been
used fairly widespread to map impact from the current fire season.

razed:building=*
ruins:building=*

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:05, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I am also not sure that adding Damage=No is suitable for OSM either?
>
>
>
> *If the building footprint already exists then add a "Damaged" tag with a
> value of "Yes" if it looks to have been impacted by fire or "No" if it has
> not been impacted by fire. If you are unsure do not enter a tag at all.*
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:37 PM
> *To:* Stephen Backway 
> *Cc:* talk-au 
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon -
> Sunday 9th Feb
>
>
>
> I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on
> mapping within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to
> scrabble to validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for
> their imagery to be traced into OSM.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
> I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by
> the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are
> creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data,
> they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming
> OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as
> important or useful to map.
>
>
>
> What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
> https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.
>
>
>
> 1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet
> Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use
> in OpenStreetMap.
>
>
>
> 2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to
> Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations,
> humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear
> how we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at
> least, without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in
> OpenStreetMap.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway  wrote:
>
> Hi group,
>
>
>
> I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been
> shared already and I missed it:
>
> https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon
>
>
>
> Extract from the above page:
>
> *The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday,
> 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI
> National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
> <https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/sssi-national-bushfire-recovery-map-a-thon-nat057-tickets-90744133145>
>  *
>
> *SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching
> out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued
> offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia
> and globally.*
>
>
>
> From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap
> in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have
> any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the
> list...
>
>
>
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[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

In past assessments such as this I think the actual event has also been tagged 
damage:event=’NSW Fires 2020’

 

A good paper on the accuracy of this type of remote capture work 

 

Section 3.1 seems to be the critical few paragraphs. It’s a few years ago and 
hopefully image capture has improved somewhat to make the exercise worthwhile.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Phil Wyatt  
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2020 1:05 PM
To: 'Andrew Harvey' ; 'Stephen Backway' 

Cc: 'talk-au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th 
Feb

 

Hi Folks,

 

I am also not sure that adding Damage=No is suitable for OSM either?

 

If the building footprint already exists then add a "Damaged" tag with a value 
of "Yes" if it looks to have been impacted by fire or "No" if it has not been 
impacted by fire. If you are unsure do not enter a tag at all.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> 
> 
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:37 PM
To: Stephen Backway mailto:stev...@email.com> >
Cc: talk-au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th 
Feb

 

I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on mapping 
within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to scrabble to 
validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for their imagery to 
be traced into OSM.

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by the 
looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are creating 
their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data, they haven't 
stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming OpenStreetMap 
though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as important or useful to 
map.

 

What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery 
https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.

 

1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet 
Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use in 
OpenStreetMap.

 

2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to 
Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations, 
humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear how 
we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at least, 
without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in 
OpenStreetMap.

 

 

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway mailto:stev...@email.com> > wrote:

Hi group,

 

I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been shared 
already and I missed it:

https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon

 

Extract from the above page:

The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday, 9th 
February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI 
National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon 
<https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/sssi-national-bushfire-recovery-map-a-thon-nat057-tickets-90744133145>
  

SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching out to 
assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued offers of 
assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia and globally.

 

>From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap in 
>conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have any new 
>datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the list...

 

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

I am also not sure that adding Damage=No is suitable for OSM either?

 

If the building footprint already exists then add a "Damaged" tag with a value 
of "Yes" if it looks to have been impacted by fire or "No" if it has not been 
impacted by fire. If you are unsure do not enter a tag at all.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Andrew Harvey  
Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:37 PM
To: Stephen Backway 
Cc: talk-au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th 
Feb

 

I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on mapping 
within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to scrabble to 
validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for their imagery to 
be traced into OSM.

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by the 
looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are creating 
their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data, they haven't 
stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming OpenStreetMap 
though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as important or useful to 
map.

 

What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery 
https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.

 

1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet 
Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use in 
OpenStreetMap.

 

2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to 
Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations, 
humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear how 
we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at least, 
without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in 
OpenStreetMap.

 

 

 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway mailto:stev...@email.com> > wrote:

Hi group,

 

I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been shared 
already and I missed it:

https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon

 

Extract from the above page:

The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday, 9th 
February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI 
National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon 
<https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/sssi-national-bushfire-recovery-map-a-thon-nat057-tickets-90744133145>
  

SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching out to 
assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued offers of 
assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia and globally.

 

>From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap in 
>conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have any new 
>datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the list...

 

Stephen.

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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

I was corrected by someone off list, looks like they are planning on
mapping within OSM https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7893. Now I have to
scrabble to validate Planet Labs has provided the necessary permission for
their imagery to be traced into OSM.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:12, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by
> the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are
> creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data,
> they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming
> OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as
> important or useful to map.
>
> What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
> https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.
>
> 1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet
> Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use
> in OpenStreetMap.
>
> 2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to
> Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations,
> humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear
> how we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at
> least, without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in
> OpenStreetMap.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway  wrote:
>
>> Hi group,
>>
>> I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been
>> shared already and I missed it:
>> https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon
>>
>> Extract from the above page:
>>
>> *The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday,
>> 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI
>> National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
>> 
>>  *
>>
>> *SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching
>> out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued
>> offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia
>> and globally.*
>>
>>
>>
>> From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap
>> in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have
>> any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the
>> list...
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen.
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[Andrew Harvey]

I sent an email to the contact email to ask for more information, but by
the looks of it they aren't uploading anything to OpenStreetMap, they are
creating their own datasets (which may or may not be released as open data,
they haven't stated yet). It's unclear how they are planning on consuming
OpenStreetMap though. I'm still keen to see what they've identified as
important or useful to map.

What they've stated is they'll be using Planet Labs imagery
https://www.planet.com/disaster/fires-in-australia-2019-11-06/.

1) As far as I'm aware we don't have an imagery tracing waiver from Planet
Labs, it's worth reaching out to Planet Labs to ask for this waiver for use
in OpenStreetMap.

2) Since access to the imagery is restricted "We provide limited access to
Explorer for up to 30 days to qualified disaster volunteer organizations,
humanitarian organizations, and other coordinating bodies." it's unclear
how we'd go about asking for access, and who gets access. But for now at
least, without (1) my view is we can't trace Planet Labs imagery for use in
OpenStreetMap.



On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 11:50, Stephen Backway  wrote:

> Hi group,
>
> I just came across this Map-A-Thon by chance, apologies if it has been
> shared already and I missed it:
> https://sssi.org.au/fire-map-a-thon/about-map-a-thon
>
> Extract from the above page:
>
> *The SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon is being held on Sunday,
> 9th February, 2020 and registrations are now open!  To register visit: SSSI
> National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
> 
>  *
>
> *SSSI is thankful to the surveying and geospatial community for reaching
> out to assist with the bushfire recovery effort and for the continued
> offers of assistance from individuals and businesses from within Australia
> and globally.*
>
>
>
> From reading through the pages, they are going to be using OpenStreetMap
> in conjunction with government data and imagery, so not sure if they have
> any new datasets/imagery layers that we haven't already mentioned on the
> list...
>
>
>
> Stephen.
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