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When will bots be removed from history in Potlach? It is really hard to 
see what is going on in some area when all I can see are bot entries and 
(big) entries.

Please, please remote bot entries from Potlach history.

Here is how history of edits currently looks like for my home town:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/184632/bots.png

This is completely useless when there are bots that take over all history!


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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Shaun McDonald


On 28 Feb 2010, at 10:12, Valent Turkovic wrote:

 When will bots be removed from history in Potlach? It is really hard to 
 see what is going on in some area when all I can see are bot entries and 
 (big) entries.
 
 Please, please remote bot entries from Potlach history.
 
 Here is how history of edits currently looks like for my home town:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/184632/bots.png

That history list is nothing to do with Potlatch. You need to click the edit 
tab to get Potlatch.

 
 This is completely useless when there are bots that take over all history!

The removal of the big changesets has been discussed, however it would be too 
processor intensive to add that to the search as the bbox area (determinator 
for when the changeset is big) is calculated dynamically when each changeset is 
written to the HTML. It is recommended that you look at other tools such as ITO 
World's OSM Mapper.

Also removing big changesets isn't what you are looking for. What you are 
looking for is for changesets that don't touch and of the objects in your bbox 
to be excluded and that is even more computationally expensive.

Shaun

 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

Hi,

Tirkon wrote:
 Possibly I am too much in a science fiction. But I could imagine the
 OSM homepage as a kind of WMS-service with a user-configurable map. A
 menue will take control, which items are shown, highlighted, four
 color theoremed [1] i.e. urban quarters of a town (with one quarter
 highlighted). Thus the cycling-map, the public transport (ÖPNV Karte),
 the features of openstreetbrowser and all the other special maps could
 be integrated, configureable with much more precision as provided by
 these maps i.e. show only streets, motorways, motorways and rivers
 etc. 

What you are describing is the web map to end all web maps. It is a 
natural tendency for many in the IT industry to always try and 
generalise (if I add this and make that configurable, then the same 
backend could be used to do all these things...).

In contrast, I think that a lean main site has a better chance of 
encouraging individuals to create their own specialist maps just as we 
have it now.

The more of OSM is centrally run and maintained, the less diversity and 
creativity the project will offer.

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Tobias Knerr

Tom Hughes wrote:
 When will bots be removed from history in Potlach? It is really hard to
 see what is going on in some area when all I can see are bot entries and
 (big) entries.
 
 How do you propose that we identify bots?

Wikipedia requires accounts used for automated editing to have a bot
flag. This information is then used to add Bs next to Bot edits in
history/watchlist/... and for a Hide bots filter in these lists.

Instead of making this a property of an account, we could also implement
bot flags for individual edits by attaching a bot=yes to the changeset.

Tobias Knerr

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:26:00 +, Tom Hughes wrote:

 How do you propose that we identify bots?

They have names, on the screenshot I would see 90% less noise if only 
xybot user is removed from the list.

There could be easily comiled a list of the bots that make most of the 
edits, there are not that many of them. Is that a problem to do?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Inquiry about Egnos / Indoor mapping

Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote:

EGNOS require clear view of the sky in the same way that the GPS
needs

From Middle-Europe you require a clear view nearly to the south
(similar to Astra TV-satellite, look at the antennas), because the
EGNOS satellites are in a geostationary orbit above Africa and from
Middle-Europe-sight not too far away from Astra. For other
receiving-positions look at the EGNOS satellite positions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Geostationary_Navigation_Overlay_Service#Satellites

Many GPS-Loggers (i.e. Garmin, satellite view, letter D for DPGS)
support EGNOS, because the signal is already available for a few years
as beta. Look at the description of your logger. 

If a satellite is not available, there is possibly another solution. I
did not try it and I am not really sure. Look at
http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/filter_track.html
and look for ²DPGS. That sounds to me as if GPS-Babel could support
EGNOS. If this true, you possibly can throw your track into GPS-Babel,
configure it accordingly and it will automaticly fetch the EGNOS-data
by internet and correct the track, assumed the time stamps in the
track are correct. Otherwise do not use it. If your GPS-Logger is
supported by GPS-Babel, it will also import the tracks to your PC. All
that inclusive outputting your desired format (i.e. OSM compatible
GPX) will be done in one turn, if you configure GPS-Babel accordingly.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Conference in Budapest later this month

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:43:13 -0700, SteveC wrote:

 Anyone in or near Budapest please give Gabor a shout to speak at a conf
 about OSM...

Aa, I missed this post! :( Any links about this conference?

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:49:05 +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote:

 Wikipedia requires accounts used for automated editing to have a bot
 flag. This information is then used to add Bs next to Bot edits in
 history/watchlist/... and for a Hide bots filter in these lists.
 
 Instead of making this a property of an account, we could also implement
 bot flags for individual edits by attaching a bot=yes to the changeset.

Yes! Please to that, it sounds like a reasonable solution.

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Tom Hughes

On 28/02/10 11:35, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:

 The alternative would be to educate each other on how to map properly,
 so the bots don't have to fix sloppy mapping all the time.

Another possibility would be more people learning that there is no one 
official or proper way to map which they need to enforce with bots.

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie

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 The alternative would be to educate each other on how to map properly,
 so the bots don't have to fix sloppy mapping all the time.
 
 Another possibility would be more people learning that there is no one
 official or proper way to map which they need to enforce with bots.

I agree, but I was talking more about (obvious) typos and duplicate
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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:35:50 +0100, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:


 The alternative would be to educate each other on how to map properly,
 so the bots don't have to fix sloppy mapping all the time.

I would love to see bots that are making changes it the changes were in 
area I'm monitoring, but I see bots from antartica to australia! Come on! 
The bots need to go off that list ASAP, there is no need for them to be 
listed there. 

The issue is that we see bots in area that is perfectly mapped with out 
any errors, duplicated notes and typos.

One of our member cleaned the complete Croatia of all duplicated nodes... 
but I still see bots even if I monitor just one street.


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[OSM-talk] NaviPOWM 0.2.4 released

2010-02-28 Thread Doru Julian Bugariu

Hi,

NaviPOWM's new version (0.2.4) was released. You can get it here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/navipowm


Here some changes between 0.2.3 and 0.2.4:
- implemented coastlines
- more POI types
- last.gps now saved in SAVE
- reopen serial port if open not successfully
- clock now displays NMEA time when clicked on it
- maxspeed knows now  mph, maxspeed:forward, maxspeed:backward und
DE:urban, rural, etc.
- switched to Qt 4.6.2 and MinGW with g++ 4.4.0 on Windows
- size of zoom button configurable
- fixed some bugs
- implemented some feature requests

Old map files can still be used, but do not contain all neede information.

Documentation has still to be written / updated.

Julian



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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

Hi,

Tirkon wrote:
 Here is an example, sadly in German. I do not know an English one.
 http://geoportal.geodaten.niedersachsen.de/navigator/?

But they are far from perfect. On Google maps you can now view the map 
oriented towards any of the main compass directions ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

Hi,

Valent Turkovic wrote:
 There are some valid ideas that don't need much cpu processing or some 
 fancy coding. Just tag bot accounts as bots and offer to remove them from 
 history list.

That's an el-cheapo solution that would scratch your particular itch but 
still it would hide bots that have edited the very area you're looking at.

Having a bot flag would be good for a number of reasons but your 
problem would not be solved by that. In my opinion this is not something 
we can do in the API (personally I think the history tab on the web 
page was a big mistake, I would never have put it there). But it could 
be done on a third party site. Why not implement it?

A little better coding quality on the bot programmers' side would also 
help. It would not be too hard to split up their changes so as to not 
create changesets spanning 100s of square kilometres.

Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-talk] Chile - earthquake - area definition

HI !

is anybody define the area (geo-coord.) of chile - it is usefull for 
creating maps !

regeards Jan :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Chile - earthquake - area definition

2010-02-28 Thread Shaun McDonald

Hi Jan,

Have you taken a look at the chile.poly file on 
http://downloads.cloudmade.com/south_america/chile#downloads_breadcrumbs which 
contains the country outline?

Shaun

On 28 Feb 2010, at 14:02, Jan Tappenbeck wrote:

 HI !
 
 is anybody define the area (geo-coord.) of chile - it is usefull for 
 creating maps !
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Chile - earthquake - area definition

Am 28.02.2010 15:29, schrieb Shaun McDonald:
 Hi Jan,

 Have you taken a look at the chile.poly file on 
 http://downloads.cloudmade.com/south_america/chile#downloads_breadcrumbs 
 which contains the country outline?

 Shaun

 On 28 Feb 2010, at 14:02, Jan Tappenbeck wrote:


 HI !

 is anybody define the area (geo-coord.) of chile - it is usefull for
 creating maps !

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hi !

would you like to earthquake-poi-map for the whole country ?

regards Jan :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Claudius Henrichs

Am 28.02.10 12:26, schrieb Valent Turkovic:
 On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:26:00 +, Tom Hughes wrote:

 How do you propose that we identify bots?

 They have names, on the screenshot I would see 90% less noise if only
 xybot user is removed from the list.

btw. xybot's author has reduced the frequency of it's checks so you will 
only find one entry per day from somewhere early february on.

Claudius


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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Frank Sautter

Tobias Knerr wrote:
  Instead of making this a property of an account, we could also
  implement bot flags for individual edits by attaching a bot=yes to the
  changeset.
good idea! i just implemented a bot=yes tag for changeset of xybot and 
its brothers.
it's now the history-tab-programmers' turn to add a hide bot edits 
checkbox to the history tab and maybe the api.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] When will bots be removed from history?

2010-02-28 Thread Polderrunner

Valent Turkovic wrote:
 There are some valid ideas that don't need much cpu processing or some 
 fancy coding. Just tag bot accounts as bots and offer to remove them from 
 history list.
 

Why bother whether the changeset was created by a bot or not. Simply 
offer the user the choice not to display big changesets (say those 
covering more than 5 degrees in either latitude or longitude). That 
should get rid of most bot edits and other edits unlikely to touch your 
area of interest.

It could be implemented with a checkbox on the history page. Such a 
solution shouldn't need much extra CPU power.

Ole

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Mike N

I don't see that the Wiki is self-contradictory in this case; it quite clearly states the convention for US and US Interstate highway refs. Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the ref? Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the "Highway Shields" project? The common reference "County road 49" comes to mind, and how can county, state and US highways be distinguished from each other? I have no opinion - it would be good to agree on the highway and route relation tagging conventions.

-- Original message from Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: --

The reasons for the revert was because NE2 had changed many segments of SC
state highway ref tags from “SC xx” to “xx” that I had added. This is
counter to what the US highway wiki states, and there are good reasons for
keeping the “SC” in SC , which I don't want to get into here. I was not
offered any explanation why my edits were changed.

The wiki is so self-contradictory that I'm sure it does state that in
one place, and the opposite in another place. Every time I've tried to
get a discussion going on improving this, there's been no interest.
I believe I only changed those routes I was making other changes to.
(By the way, I omit the state for the same reason we don't see "UK A1"
- it's clear what's meant by a simple alphanumeric designation.)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
   Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the
 ref?   Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the
 Highway Shields project?   The common reference County road 49 comes to

You can use admin boundaries to derive country, state, and county information.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of Newbie Editor

Dave Stubbs wrote:

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
On 26 February 2010 19:44, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote:
There are two big advantages of a simple mode to an existing full editor:

 - you don't have to write the OSM handling parts again, even a simple
editor needs to cope with some quite complex things

 - you provide an easy choice for the user who wishes to progress onto
something less basic

There are some downsides, bloated code base, which in turns makes
things harder for new coders to edit or fix small issues, and higher
memory and other resource usage, although javascript may be higher
still, but I haven't needed to compare flash to javscript before.


Bigger code base sure -- and lots of code that might not get used for
some config -- if the code is written nicely that's largely to one
side and people don't notice it. It's mostly UI stuff anyway -- as I
said you actually end up needing most of the same back end processing
if you're doing anything that involves not just POIs (and for various
OSM reasons that's increasingly not so useful). This is more about
good design than an inherent property.

Higher memory and resource usage is about how you program it, and how
the simple mode switch works, and isn't necessarily true at all.

Flash vs Javascript is not really relevant to the points made, unless
you mean that there isn't currently a javascript editor to cut down,
which is of course true.

Dave

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Dave,

Do you have any way to estimate the resource requirements for Potlatch 2, 
and what they would be if a simple switch were added. It would be much 
better to have something to go on, rather than assumptions, which often 
lead to flame wars.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Mike N








 

That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple states, but is always assigned the same shield. And there is nothing in standard tagging (that I remember) to distinguish a county from state road - I follow the general recommendation that US=primary, state=secondary, most major county roads=tertiary. Those in other regions may promote the small roads based on lane count, max speed, etc.

 -- Original message from John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: --


 On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N  wrote:
Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the
  ref?   Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the
  "Highway Shields" project?   The common reference "County road 49" comes to
 
 You can use admin boundaries to derive country, state, and county information.










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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

On 1 March 2010 04:03, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
 That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple
 states, but is always assigned the same shield.And there is nothing in

This is just a pre-processing problem before going into pgsql for
mapnik, or whatever rendering software you use, you extract the way
inside the polygon.

 standard tagging (that I remember) to distinguish a county from state road -

network=CO (county)
network=S (state)

 I follow the general recommendation that US=primary, state=secondary, most
 major county roads=tertiary.   Those in other regions may promote the small
 roads based on lane count, max speed, etc.

In Australia the designations are applied based on a number of
factors, like source of funding (partially or wholly federally
funded), or the numbering scheme applied by the state (alphanumeric or
otherwise).

As far as I can tell, every route type in Australia has been
documented on this page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields

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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT ready? Concepción, Chile eart hquake

2010-02-28 Thread SteveC

All we need are earthquakes on every square mile of the planet, and OSM will be 
complete in no time! :-)

On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake
 
 Thanks to Harry Wood and others for getting the wiki up. Inquiries on 
 satellite imagery are going out...
  
 == Mikel Maron ==
 +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron
 http://mapkibera.org/
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti
 
 
 From: Andy Robinson ajrli...@googlemail.com
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 12:24:04 PM
 Subject: [OSM-talk] HOT ready? Concepción, Chile earthquake
 
 8.8 strength earthquake hit the coastal area of Chile 3 hours ago. No news 
 for the epicentre but understood to be around Concepción, Thanks to OSM that 
 area is quite well mapped but only roads and the basics. 
 http://osm.org/go/MOVHuQ7-
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread John F. Eldredge

However, a given administrative area may well contain country-level, 
state-level, and county roads.  If a given road is tagged with only a number, 
what indicates which one of these is meant?  Also, it is not unusual for a 
stretch of physical roadway to be considered part of both a country-level road 
and a state-level road, etc.

-- 
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Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to 
think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 03:30:46 
To: Mike Nnice...@att.net
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
   Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the
 ref?   Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the
 Highway Shields project?   The common reference County road 49 comes to

You can use admin boundaries to derive country, state, and county information.

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[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code Projects

2010-02-28 Thread Graham Jones

Hi There,
It will soon be time for OpenStreetMap to apply to join the 2010 Google
Summer of Code Programme.   This gives students the opportunity to work on
open source projects during the summer, for which they receive some payment
by Google.   It costs us nothing more than providing a Mentor to guide the
student.

It would be really useful if we could put together a list of potential
student projects to get potential applicants thinking.   The projects need
to be fairly well defined to make it easy to judge 'success', so it is good
to have specific targets.

From recent discussions on these lists I have identified the following
possibilities so far:

   - Develop a stand alone 'Newbie'/'Introductory'/'Lite' Editor - the
   priority is ease of use rather than functionality.
   - Help with the development of Potlatch 2 (maybe to include the 'lite'
   editor functionality) - we would need to help the applicants identify
   specific targets.
   - Develop a simple 'mapping tool' for mobile phones to *easily* collect
   GPX traces, geotagged images and geotagged audio clips.  Ideally it should
   be capable of running on both Android, J2ME and Iphones, so you can have the
   same simple application no matter what sort of phone you use.
   - Improve the usability of a simple mobile phone map editing application
   (such as vespucci for android).
   - Incorporation of OSM data and traffic data.

I am sure there are other things that I am not familiar with too - would it
be useful for someone to do some work on tools to process OSM data in some
way, or are there any tasks on the OSM server itself that could be turned
into projects?

Please will you give some thought to other possibilities and either add them
to the GSoC 2010 Wiki Page (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010) or reply by
email if you prefer.

Thanks

Graham.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

On 1 March 2010 05:01, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
 However, a given administrative area may well contain country-level, 
 state-level, and county roads.  If a given road is tagged with only a number, 
 what indicates which one of these is meant?  Also, it is not unusual for a 
 stretch of physical roadway to be considered part of both a country-level 
 road and a state-level road, etc.

Which is where the network=* tag comes in, it tells you explicitly if
it's national (network=I), state (network=S) or county (network=CO)

The type of road isn't enough to tell you the administrative information.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell


On 28 Feb 2010, at 10:18 , John Smith wrote:

 On 1 March 2010 04:03, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
 That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple
 states, but is always assigned the same shield.And there is nothing in
 
 This is just a pre-processing problem before going into pgsql for
 mapnik, or whatever rendering software you use, you extract the way
 inside the polygon.
 
 standard tagging (that I remember) to distinguish a county from state road -
 
 network=CO (county)
 network=S (state)

why duplicate redundant info, requires double care when a roud is 
up/downgraded. isn't it better this way

network=CO
network=S

or
network=county
network=state


 
 I follow the general recommendation that US=primary, state=secondary, most
 major county roads=tertiary.   Those in other regions may promote the small
 roads based on lane count, max speed, etc.
 
 In Australia the designations are applied based on a number of
 factors, like source of funding (partially or wholly federally
 funded), or the numbering scheme applied by the state (alphanumeric or
 otherwise).
 
 As far as I can tell, every route type in Australia has been
 documented on this page:
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

On 1 March 2010 05:41, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
 network=CO (county)
 network=S (state)

 why duplicate redundant info, requires double care when a roud is 
 up/downgraded. isn't it better this way

The brackets were meant for explanation purposes only.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Pieren

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:43 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 1 March 2010 05:41, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
  network=CO (county)
  network=S (state)



 The brackets were meant for explanation purposes only.


But in OSM, we try to avoid abbreviations when possible. Then you don't have
to explaine later again and again what means CO or add a note or a
reference to a wiki page. network=county is not so long and clear for
everyone.

my 2 cents
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On 1 March 2010 06:03, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
 But in OSM, we try to avoid abbreviations when possible. Then you don't have
 to explaine later again and again what means CO or add a note or a
 reference to a wiki page. network=county is not so long and clear for
 everyone.

Simply because those abbreviations are already in common use when
refering to routes etc.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of Newbie Editor

2010-02-28 Thread Dave Stubbs

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dave Stubbs wrote:

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 26 February 2010 19:44, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote:
There are two big advantages of a simple mode to an existing full editor:

 - you don't have to write the OSM handling parts again, even a simple
editor needs to cope with some quite complex things

 - you provide an easy choice for the user who wishes to progress onto
something less basic

There are some downsides, bloated code base, which in turns makes
things harder for new coders to edit or fix small issues, and higher
memory and other resource usage, although javascript may be higher
still, but I haven't needed to compare flash to javscript before.


Bigger code base sure -- and lots of code that might not get used for
some config -- if the code is written nicely that's largely to one
side and people don't notice it. It's mostly UI stuff anyway -- as I
said you actually end up needing most of the same back end processing
if you're doing anything that involves not just POIs (and for various
OSM reasons that's increasingly not so useful). This is more about
good design than an inherent property.

Higher memory and resource usage is about how you program it, and how
the simple mode switch works, and isn't necessarily true at all.

Flash vs Javascript is not really relevant to the points made, unless
you mean that there isn't currently a javascript editor to cut down,
which is of course true.

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 Dave,

 Do you have any way to estimate the resource requirements for Potlatch 2,
 and what they would be if a simple switch were added.


Potlatch 2 currently runs on my netbook, and seeing as how I develop
it on my netbook it should continue to do so :-)  My netbook is an
Atom 1.6GHz 1GB RAM BTW.

The SWF size is about 550KB at the moment, most of which will be the
flex gui framework and associated bits and pieces, so will be present
in any flex based flash app.

If you do a break down of where the code is at the moment:
 - about 20 classes for tag editing (the simple user stuff)
 - about 10 classes for vector editing
 - about 20 classes for handling OSM objects, and talking to the API 0.6
 - about 25 classes for rendering data (halcyon)

Simple mode basically takes out the vector editing stuff.

You can obviously make something a lot lighter if you weren't using
flex. Well, startup bandwidth lighter at least.

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[OSM-talk] Wiki - Croatian and Bosnian languages - mass-namespace editing notice

2010-02-28 Thread Matija Nalis

Today, User:Wynndale decided to do mass-rename of all pages in Croatian
(Hr:) and Bosnian (Bs:) namespaces, moving them to so-called
Serbo-Croatian (Sh:) namespace.

He did that without even trying to contact interested parties (for Croatian
pages, that would be http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr list).

Also, the so called Serbo-Croatian language does not exist (see links
below). ISO 639-1 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes )
defines separate languages - Croatian (HR), Serbian (SR), Bosnian (BS).

As he had not replied to his user talk page I don't know yet if it was done
out of ignorance, or malice.


I've managed to revert/undo most (I think) of the damage he'd done, wasting
half a day to do it. Template:Languages damage will take some time to get
regenerated :-(

The (unasked-for) changes can be seen at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributionslimit=500target=Wynndale
(just look for Sh: and Serbo-croat strings)

I've also documented the case with more info at:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Wynndale
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:Languages#Languages_and_politics

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Re: [OSM-talk] Are Yahoo street maps legal? (as JOSM WMS layer via desktopwms)

2010-02-28 Thread Tim McNamara

On 28 February 2010 08:56, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:

 On 27/02/2010 09:31, Valent Turkovic wrote:
  I was hoping that Yahoo has their own maps and that we could use them.

 Whatever the legality, I can't see the point in making a map which is
 simply a copy of someone else's. Why go to the bother - you might as
 well just use the original.


That's the freedom tax.

OSM members cannot create maps from another source that has restrictive
licencing. It will be a derivative work, thus copyright infringement. That's
why Richard Stallman created the GNU libraries from scratch. Even though
Unix existed, he duplicated the functionality of everything without looking
at the original source code that he could not be accused of copyright
violation.

Facts are free, but representations of facts are not. E.g. two companies can
create maps about the world happily. However if one uses the other's as a
base, then the second company is breaking the law.

If you just want to use maps, then taking them from Yahoo/Google/Bing is
fine. But if you want to create maps that you wish to distribute  build
upon, then you need to create them yourself (or generate them from a source
that is itself copyleft).

Others - please correct any errors :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

Nick Whitelegg wrote:


I ran a mapping party in Fareham, Hampshire, UK in which three newbies
came, back at the start of November. These three newbies, who were
reasonably adept at using computers but not geeks, if you get what I
mean, were able to successfully use JOSM - something harder than Potlatch,
perhaps - to add street names to unnamed streets in Fareham. So I'm not
sure that either editor is that hard to use given a proper
demonstration.


Nick
Nick,

The users that you mention as an example, have already made an initial 
commitment to OSM by even being at a mapping party. The people I'm 
thinking of are those who haven't had, nor are likely to have the 
opportunity for that type of initial experience. In the US, propably 90%+ 
of the area (although granted not 90% of the mappable objects) are in 
areas where there are no active user organizations, or possibly any 
current active mappers. Potential newbies need to see something that will 
tweak their interest, and that they can interact with from a cold start, 
with no human assistance, probably based on a defect/omission that they 
have seen in OSM or one of the commercial maps.

I'm not sure if anyone is thinking along the lines of allowing a user to 
immediately make changes, without signing up for an account. There are 
pros and cons to that. I'm neutral on the issue, as long as proper 
precautions are taken. If the capability to make changes without an 
account were provided, then I certainy agree that the edits should be 
limited to only adding POIs and street names. Even changing names 
shouldn't be allowed, since that opens the vandalism can of worms much 
more. And, if the changes are anonimous (i.e., without an account), they 
should include a unique newbie user tag, so that any time an experienced 
user wants to take a look at the newbie changes to see if a vandal has 
been at work, it will be easy to do. And, reversion of changes under that 
tag, should require minimum coordination.

If an account is required, then I think providing something like a dumbed 
down Potlatch would be more appropriate. I really do believe that a 
simple clean interface to making changes at the next level, whatever 
that is, would be appropriate. Obviously the allowed features list is 
debatable. I would like to see a little more than Roy wants, but 
significantly less than full Potlatch. I'm sure there are many different 
opinions, all with some level of validity. And, I think I agree with Roy 
to some extent, in that it would be better to err on the lower capability 
side than the higher to start with. If experience shows that the initial 
level of capabability is not leading to significant mapping problems, and 
the newbies think it is too restrictive, then adding a considered 
increment in capability would be merited. That is one advantage of basing 
the limited editor on a full fledged editor. It would be easier to shift 
capability from one level to the other, in either direction.

I have to admit that I only took a cursory look at an early Potlatch 2 
development, but will certainly give it another look. I typically use 
JOSM. Probably because I just feel more confortable working off line, and 
the variety of plug-ins attracts me. But, I do use Potlatch occasionally 
for doing the quick simple things that are rarely much more than I think 
appropriate for the intermediate newbie. With some optional interactive 
instructions (you have placed that way node on or near another way, 
should they be connected?). I think Potlatch's templates could easily be 
used in a restrictive manner that only allows a limited selectable subset 
of attributes with no free text entry, except for names.

Yes, I agree with whoever suggested it (Liz?) that a wiki for allowed 
newbie features and other design suggestions would be a great idea. There 
have been some good ideas thrown out, and it's too hard to capture and 
organize them in talk.

(Hmm. My talk messages continue to be way too long!)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

Steve Bennett wrote:

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk 
wrote:

Sure, but I think you missed my point a bit. If I had already known
that help was wanted, and if I had already signed up to the dev list
(which I didn't realise existed until now), then I guess I would have
seen those posts. But the issue is how to attract new developers,
isn't it?

Btw, the potlatch-dev list is extremely quiet. No posts for February so 
far.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/potlatch-dev/

Steve

So, Steve, is your point a complaint or an offer to help (or both)? And if 
a complaint, do you have a suggestion for improvement? Do you want to see 
development opportunities advertised in talk more, or something else?

In my opinion, complaints without constructive suggestions are the second 
most likely reason (with personal attacks being the first) for threads to 
degenerate into flame wars. And, I'm very sure that is not your intent.

My personal thought: Maybe we need an announce list, which is nothing more 
than a list for folks to announce various opportunities, or new (or old) 
products periodically, with a general agreement (or moderation) that the 
only allowed replies are requests for more information or their responses.

It could include announcements for mapping party (or not?), development 
opportunities, product releases or revisions, a new wiki page for ideas 
for a simple editor, etc. With a once a month repeat annoucement being 
allowed, so new folks wouldn't have to go to the archives to catch up. 
Keeping the chatter to a minimun would make it easier to quickly scan the 
list, rather than wading through a lot of stuff on talk. Where dialog is 
needed the topic could move to talk, or a dev list, or one-to-one.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

Randy wrote:


My personal thought: Maybe we need an announce list, which is nothing more
than a list for folks to announce various opportunities, or new (or old)
products periodically, with a general agreement (or moderation) that the
only allowed replies are requests for more information or their responses.


Oops, I meant to check the groups list before sending this. There is an 
announce list, as of last October. However, it hasn't had much activity.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

Roy Wallace wrote:

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net 
wrote:

... I suggest that the way to get people involved is to
have them see the map, and use the map for the things they would
otherwise use Google Maps for, and then have the thought process
That's wrong. Hey - I could fix it!.

Yes, or more accurately: That's wrong. Hey - I could fix it - *and
then use it*!

Precisely my thought!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of Newbie Editor

Dave Stubbs wrote:

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dave,

Do you have any way to estimate the resource requirements for Potlatch 2,
and what they would be if a simple switch were added.


Potlatch 2 currently runs on my netbook, and seeing as how I develop
it on my netbook it should continue to do so :-)  My netbook is an
Atom 1.6GHz 1GB RAM BTW.

The SWF size is about 550KB at the moment, most of which will be the
flex gui framework and associated bits and pieces, so will be present
in any flex based flash app.

If you do a break down of where the code is at the moment:
  - about 20 classes for tag editing (the simple user stuff)
  - about 10 classes for vector editing
  - about 20 classes for handling OSM objects, and talking to the API 0.6
  - about 25 classes for rendering data (halcyon)

Simple mode basically takes out the vector editing stuff.

You can obviously make something a lot lighter if you weren't using
flex. Well, startup bandwidth lighter at least.

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Thanks, Dave. I'm sure others with more experience than I can make a 
better independent assessment, but it doesn't look particularly daunting 
to me, as far as penalizing the early user.

Granted, if it's doable (and widely supported), a super simple JS2 editor 
might be lighter in startup. But, as someone else mentioned earlier, it's 
probably worth some sacrifice to keep the UI between simple and powerful 
as similar as possible.
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer

2010/2/28 Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de:
 But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At
 present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states,
 regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the
 sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway etc etc) and
 special interests (cycling, on horseback etc) by hand. This is over
 and over again the same work only with a different assortment. It
 would be really helpful, if it was possible to extract automaticly
 these informations nearly live from OSM.


it is already possible, you can get these things through the XAPI or
by selecting them locally from the complete data (or an excerpt).

cheers,
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[OSM-talk] Xynthia storm/ flooding in france kills over 50

2010-02-28 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com

Here is a new crisis:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/30558/

Area is around here :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.3328lon=-1.3357zoom=12layers=B000FTF

No disaster charter activation. No sources of photos yet.

I am sorry for the people who died!

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

Hi,

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 But this is exactly rhat, what I am asked i.e. by Wikipedia users. At
 present they draw their maps for every geographical article (states,
 regions, districts, towns, municipality, urban quarters) and the
 sub-chapters of these (water, public transport, railway etc etc) and
 special interests (cycling, on horseback etc) by hand. This is over
 and over again the same work only with a different assortment. It
 would be really helpful, if it was possible to extract automaticly
 these informations nearly live from OSM.
 
 it is already possible, you can get these things through the XAPI or
 by selecting them locally from the complete data (or an excerpt).

Yes but this is really not the focus of OpenStreetMap. Remember that our 
focus is mapping stuff that is visible on the ground. The kind of maps 
discussed here rely almost entirely on stuff that is not visible 
(administrative borders, mostly). These are not one of our strengths, 
and never will be - we can of course import them from somewhere but if 
they were freely available, so could Wikipedians drawing maps...

Bye
Frederik

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[talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-02-28 Thread Craig Feuerherdt

There appears to be some good data in the list. It is commendable that the
Victorian Government has released some of its data under the CC license.
Some of the datasets are pretty course (VicMap Lite for example) and are
probably not worth looking at. On the other hand, the public places
(libraries, swimming pools etc) are probably of higher accuracy.
Have started a page on the wiki (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data.vic.gov.au) to list data sets that
are worth/have been loaded into OSM.

Craig

On Friday the App My State Victoria competition for Victorian
 residents to build mobile and web applications that will benefit
 Victorians. opened (
 http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/app-my-state/prizes-and-categories.html
 )

 However this also lead to the release of many datasets for use in the
 competition @ http://data.vic.gov.au/
 This includes several transport datasets (Bus/Tram/Train Stops, Train
 Stations, Railway Lines) as well as POIs (courts, hospitals, fire
 stations MFB and CFA, prisons, university/tafe locations, etc.) and
 ways (Lakes, Rivers, Island outlines, Towns, Urban Areas, LGAs,
 Postcodes, Highways and Class 3 Roads)

 - Alex

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Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

I've converted the Victorian hospital locations from kmz to osm, but I
also split their info field up into multiple tags since they include
the address, emergency, type and ownership of the hospital.

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/vic_hospitals.osm.bz2

  node id='-468' action='modify' timestamp='2010-02-28T12:38:43Z'
visible='true' lat='-38.3799' lon='142.4731'
tag k='name' v='South West Healthcare, Warrnambool Campus' /
tag k='amenity' v='hospital' /
tag k='hospital:address' v='279 Koroit Street, Warrnambool 3280' /
tag k='emergency' v='yes' /
tag k='hospital:agency_type' v='Public Hospital' /
tag k='hospital:ownership' v='Public' /
tag k='fixme' v='not_reviewed' /
tag k='source' v='data.vic.gov.au' /
tag k='attribution' v='Department of Health' /
  /node

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Airports:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/vmlite_airports.osm.bz2

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Railway stations:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/vmlite_rail_stations.osm.bz2

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Thanks to Mike from #flossk for this, he converted railway lines:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/rails.osm.bz2

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[talk-au] Admin Borders of Tuvalu

2010-02-28 Thread Jonas Stein

Hi,

i hope i am not too offtopic here... 
has someone an idea, where to get the position of the border?
TV is group of island with 10k people, 100 Internetaccounts and their 
governmental website is down since some time...

Kind regards,

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Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-02-28 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com

I just send you the rest of them as a zip file.


On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:34 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks to Mike from #flossk for this, he converted railway lines:

 http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/rails.osm.bz2

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On 1 March 2010 02:53, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I just send you the rest of them as a zip file.

Thanks for that, I'm adding attribution and source tags and then I'll
upload them so others can access them.

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I've moved the previous files and all the rest of the files Mike converted here:

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/data.vic.gov.au/

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Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

2010-02-28 Thread Roy Wallace

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've moved the previous files and all the rest of the files Mike converted 
 here:

 http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/data.vic.gov.au/

Can you please explain if/how you would suggest regular mappers help
with the importing of this data?

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Re: [talk-au] CC-BY-A data released for Victoria

On 1 March 2010 08:25, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can you please explain if/how you would suggest regular mappers help
 with the importing of this data?

The files with points of interest are pretty straight forward, either
upload them all, or copy and paste them one at a time, I'll leave it
up to people here as to what happens with those.

The rivers/roads on the other hand need to be merged, and this will
most likely need to be a copy and paste job.

As far as I know, only JOSM can load OSM data files, however you can
load data from OSM on different layers and switch between them etc.

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Re: [talk-au] Overland Track added

2010-02-28 Thread Lachlan Rogers

Beat me to it!

I hiked the Overland Track in January, and recorded a trace of most of
it - but the busy getting-back-into-life-after-the-holidays has
prevented me from adding it to OSM.

I'll be able to provide confirmation of your track.

- Lachlan


On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:49 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
 Steve Bennett wrote:

 Garmin Oregon 550.

 I see that's got a barometric altimeter too.  Very good.

 Ah. What is GPS-derived altitude though, exactly - does it rely on a
 model of the earth's surface, or is it effectively computing the
 distance from the satellites?

 Purely from satellites, definitely.  Others on the list are likely much
 more up to speed with the technicalities.

 Anyway, my recorded elevation for Mt Ossa is 1613m, and the Acropolis
 is 1477m. Wikipedia gives Mt Ossa as 1614, and the Acropolis as 1481m.
 Maybe this method is more accurate than I was expecting...

 OTOH, I'm still not convinced that all this is necessary. Surely using
 figures from an authoritative source would serve everyone a lot
 better...

 Yes, the figure from a proper survey should have an accuracy of a few
 centimetres.  One of my many jobs (back in the 70s) was a chainman
 (surveyor's assistant).  With modern electronic gear, I believe there's
 no such job any more.

 John H


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[talk-au] At last! a useful dataset! :)

2010-02-28 Thread Jim Croft

http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/victorian-microbreweries/54

jim

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Re: [talk-au] At last! a useful dataset! :)

On 1 March 2010 12:31, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/victorian-microbreweries/54

Unfortunately no geocoding... But would give people some ideas to go
on a pub crawl :)

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Re: [Talk-de] die strassenliste kommt ja so langsam ins rollen.

2010-02-28 Thread bundesrainer

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Walter Nordmann schrieb:
e) im norden von rheinland-pfalz schein jemand amok zu laufen, der wohl
nicht begriffen hat, worum es hier geht.

Da kann ich nichts machen - versuchen aus der history zu reverse engineeren
wer das ist - Deshalb schrieb ich ja - eine kontaktmoeglichkeit in die
commit message ...

echt schade und verdammt unsicher.

Dann oute ich mich mal als der Amokläufer. ;-)

Soweit ich das verstanden habe, geht es bei der Straßenliste um einen
Abgleich zwischen OSM-Daten und offiziellen Daten bzgl. Straßen. (Habe
ich was übersehen?)

Die Ebene der Verbandsgemeinden hatte ich ausgespart. Richtig. Ich
hatte da den Fokus zu sehr auf die Straßenauswertung gelegt, da sah
ich die VG als eher unbeteiligt, da die Straßenlisten sich ja stets
auf Gemeinden oder Gemeindeteile beziehen.
Da VG nur in RLP und Sachsen-Anhalt vorkommen, habe ich auch nichts
Gegenteiliges im StraßenWiki vorgefunden. Zur besseren Übersicht kann
man diese Ebene ja durchaus noch im StraßenWiki einziehen.

Ich wusste nicht, dass ins StraßenWiki nur Gemeinden rein sollen, für
die Relation UND Straßenliste bereits vorliegen. Ich dachte
Platzhalter seien unproblematisch, da nur Seiten ausgewertet werden,
die die entsprechende Struktur aufweisen. Soll man den Rest einfach
löschen?
Zu den Daten: Für RLP gibt es eine vollständige Straßenliste [1], die
bereits in einer Auswertung von Sven benutzt wird und nach meiner
Lesart auch hier benutzt werden dürfen. Ebenso findet man in der
Wikipedia Karten mit den groben Verläufen der Gemeindegrenzen [2], die
für eine Straßenauswertung ganz brauchbar sind. (Auch diese dürfen
abgezeichnet werden, oder?)

Bei meinen ersten Edits hatte ich auch eine sig vergessen. Mein
Fehler. Bei allen weitern war aber meine Userkennung als
'~bundesrainer' dran. Mit ein bisschen suchen hätte man mich also auch
direkt ansprechen können.

Es tut mir leid, wenn ich mit meinem Vorgehen einige hier vor den Kopf
gestoßen habe. Das war nicht meine Absicht.

Beste Grüße,
Rainer

[1]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenverzeichnis_Rheinland-Pfalz
[2]
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Municipalities_%28Ortsgemeinden%29_in_Rhineland-Palatinate.svg
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Re: [Talk-de] die strassenliste kommt ja so langsam ins rollen.

2010-02-28 Thread Walter Nordmann


hi rainer,

klasse, das du dich gemeldest hast,

der Grund für meine Bedenken war die folgenden:

als ich diesen thread gestartet hatte, war mir noch nicht bekannt, daß die
Straßennamen bereits vorliegen.
Ich hab mich gefragt, woher derjenige diese wohl bekommen würde und was dann
damit geschehen müsste.
Und daraus leitete sich alles ab: ca 5000 Gemeinden in RP bedeutet ja, dass
jemand 5000 Grenzen in OSM definieren muss, aber auch 5000 Files auf
Florians Server anlegen, die Namen besorgen  und damit die Files füllen muß.

Das mit den Grenzen in OSM erschien mir ok aber beim Rest hatte ich
Bedenken.

Ich hoffe, dass du das einigermaßen hinbekommst :-)

Für Hessen, dort liegt nun mal mein Wambach, trage ich in OSM die
Gemeindegrenzen auf dem Level (8) ein, da dafür Daten zu bekommen
sind.Später eventuell auch die Einzelgemeinden aber das hat mit der
Strassenliste nix zu tun.

mfg

wambacher

p.s. nicht alle Einträge in Hessen sind von mir, eher sogar der geringere
Teil. Es gibt noch einige Mitstreiter, die gerade aktiv sind. Und das ist
auch gut so.



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Re: [Talk-de] die strassenliste kommt ja so langsam ins rollen.

2010-02-28 Thread bundesrainer

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Walter Nordmann schrieb:

 als ich diesen thread gestartet hatte, war mir noch nicht bekannt, daß die
 Straßennamen bereits vorliegen.
 Ich hab mich gefragt, woher derjenige diese wohl bekommen würde und was dann
 damit geschehen müsste.
 Und daraus leitete sich alles ab: ca 5000 Gemeinden in RP bedeutet ja, dass
 jemand 5000 Grenzen in OSM definieren muss, aber auch 5000 Files auf
 Florians Server anlegen, die Namen besorgen  und damit die Files füllen muß.
 
 Das mit den Grenzen in OSM erschien mir ok aber beim Rest hatte ich
 Bedenken.
 
 Ich hoffe, dass du das einigermaßen hinbekommst :-)

Naja, vieleicht finden sich ja noch weitere Freiwillige. Für 5000
Gemeinden wäre ich allein wohl etwas lange beschäftigt. ;)

Beste Grüße,
Rainer
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[Talk-de] Software fuer Garmin etrex Legend HCx

2010-02-28 Thread Nick Rudnick

Hallo,
ich musste neu installieren und finde meine CD für die

MapSource Trip  Waypoint Manager Software

zum Auslesen der Tracks nicht mehr. Bei Garmin finde ich sie nicht zum
Downloaden.

Wer kann weiterhelfen; ggf auch mit einer freeware/opensource-Alternative?

Grüße

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Re: [Talk-de] Software fuer Garmin etrex Legend HCx

2010-02-28 Thread Johann H. Addicks

Am 28.02.2010 13:13, schrieb Nick Rudnick:
 ich musste neu installieren und finde meine CD für die
 MapSource Trip  Waypoint Manager Software
 zum Auslesen der Tracks nicht mehr. Bei Garmin finde ich sie nicht zum
 Downloaden.

Das Problem haben fast alle Garmin-Besitzer früher oder später.
Daher gibt's dazu zum Glück etwas:

http://www.gps-forum.net/anleitung-mapsource-ohne-garmin-cd-installieren-t471.html


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Re: [Talk-de] Software fuer Garmin etrex Legend HCx

2010-02-28 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen

Nick Rudnick schrieb:

 ich musste neu installieren und finde meine CD für die
 
 MapSource Trip  Waypoint Manager Software
 
 zum Auslesen der Tracks nicht mehr. Bei Garmin finde ich sie nicht zum
 Downloaden.

Zum Hoch/Runterladen von Tracks und Waypoints zum HCX nutze ich
EasyGPS(.com).
Grüße
Chris


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[Talk-de] NaviPOWM 0.2.4 freigegeben

2010-02-28 Thread Doru Julian Bugariu

Hallo,

die neue Version von NaviPOWM (0.2.4) ist freigegeben. Sie befindet sich
an der ueblichen Stelle:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/navipowm

Hier ganz kurz ein paar der Unterschiede zur 0.2.3:
- Küstenlinien implementiert
- mehr POIs
- last.gps wird jetz im Unterverzeichnis SAVE gespeichert
- Serielle Schnittstelle wird erneut geoeffnet, falls das Oeffnen
fehlgeschlagen ist
- beim Klick auf die Uhrzeit wird die NMEA-Zeit angezeigt
- maxspeed kennt jetzt auch mph, maxspeed:forward, maxspeed:backward und
DE:urban, rural, etc.
- Wechsel zu Qt 4.6.2 und MinGW mit g++ 4.4.0 unter Windows
- Groesse der Zoom-Buttons konfigurierbar
- div. Fehler behoben
- div. Feature Requests implementiert


Die alten Karten koennen weiterhin verwendet werden, enthalten aber
nicht die kompletten Informationen.

Dokumentation im Wiki muss immer noch angepasst werden.


Ich wuensche Euch viel Vergnuegen mit der neuen Version.

Gruesse,
Julian



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Re: [Talk-de] Software fuer Garmin etrex Legend HCx

2010-02-28 Thread Carsten Schwede

Hallo,

Am 28.02.2010 13:13, schrieb Nick Rudnick:
 Wer kann weiterhelfen; ggf auch mit einer freeware/opensource-Alternative?

QLandkarteGT wäre auch eine Alternative. (OpenSource)

http://www.qlandkarte.org/

http://sourceforge.net/projects/qlandkartegt/files/ (Win/Mac/Linux)



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Re: [Talk-de] OT: Luft anhalten

2010-02-28 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen

Johann H. Addicks schrieb:

 BTW: Wie gut (oder schlecht) arbeitet eigentlich ein Garmin Nüvi mit einer  
 routingfähigen OSM-Karte? Ist das benutzbar?

Ja, bis auf die noch nicht funktionierende Adress-Suche.

 Reicht dafür ein (altes) Nüvi200 oder Nüvi250? Die sind in der Elektrobucht  
 für deutlich unter 100 FRZ zu bekommen.

250 geht, 200 hat evntl. zuwenig Speicher.

Mein 250er liegt hier aber meistens in der Schublade herum,
nehme mittlerweile mein LegendHCX für alles (zu Fuß, Rad, Auto).

Wenn man regelmäßig das Navi auch bei bekannten Strecken
mitrouten lässt, kann man halt sehr schnell Routingfehler
finden. Gestern zum Beispiel sagte dass Navi ich soll
im Kreisverkehr die 3. Ausfahrt nehmen, obwohl es
die erste Ausfahrt war. - Rechts- statt Links-drehender
Kreisverkehr.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.204lon=8.5337zoom=17layers=0B00FTF

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Re: [Talk-de] Durchgezogene Mittellinien / U-Turns verboten (was: Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?)

Nils Heuermann w...@oemmes.net wrote:

Erst einmal vielen Dank für Deine ausführlichen Antworten. :-)

Damit das System funktioniert (vorausgesetzt, die Logik hat keine Macken),  
braucht man natürlich einen grafischen Editor, mit dem man sich die  
einzelnen Spuren usw. auf einfache Weise zusammenklicken kann. Da muss  
noch etwas Programmierarbeit reingesteckt werden :)

Spuren zusammenklicken - Das ist Musik in meinen Ohren. Das wäre
exzellent und eine neue Qualität der Usability und des Editierens bei
OSM. :-)

 Gerade in ländlichen Gebieten
 steht ein Mapper häufig allein vor einem großen Gebiet, so dass er vor
 Ort die einfachsten Änderungen z.B. Umbenennung der Straße wegen des
 Vorhandenseins von Wayparts nicht mehr aktualisieren könnte.

Das wäre kein Problem. Die wayparts beschreiben den Querschnitt der Straße  
und ggf. spurabhängige Einschränkungen (z. B. Busspur). Der Name und  
andere allgemeine Eigenschaften (highway, surface, ...) bleiben weiterhin  
am ganz normalen Way (letztere könnten allerdings für einzelne Spuren  
überschrieben werden).

Das begreife ich irgendwie nicht. In Deinem ganzen Konstrukt finde ich
keine Tags für den ganz normalen way, wie beispielsweise name oder
ref der Gesamtstraße:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:User:%C3%96mmes/Wayparts
Und genau das ist es, was mir derzeit einen Zugang zum
Grundverständnis dieses Konstruktes verwehrt.

 Können eigentlich von Radweg und Straße eingeschlossene
 Eisenbahnlinien auch mit Waypart in die Linienbündelung eingeschlossen
 werden?

Theoretisch ist das möglich. Man sollte allerdings abwägen, ob es in so  
einem Fall nicht sinnvoller ist, die Dinge als einzelne Wege zu erfassen.

In diesem Falle gerechtfertigt. Denn hier wäre wegen der Enge des
Raumes bei Fuß-/Radweg neben der Straße und dahinter die Eisenbahn,
selbige quasi durch die Wohnzimmer der Straßenanlieger in der
geschlossenen Ortschaft gefahren. Daher hat man die Eisenbahn neben
die Straße und als dünnes Polster zu den Häusern den Fu0- und Radweg
dahinter gelegt. Denn es fahren besser Fahrräder durchs Wohnzimmer als
Güterzüge mit gerne 50 Waggons der sechsachsigen Schwerklasse. Hier
hat jeder Hauseingang und jede Fuß-/Rad- Straßenquerung seine eigenen
drei Andreaskreuze ohne Vorbaken. Vermutlich ist das die massivste
Ansammlung dieser Schilder ever. ;-)( Das war früher ein nicht
endendes Pfeifkonzert der Lok, bis dieses per Sondergenehmigung
abgeschafft wurde.


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[Talk-de] Karten testen (was: OT: Luft anhalten)

2010-02-28 Thread Johann H. Addicks

Am 28.02.2010 14:08, schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen:
 BTW: Wie gut (oder schlecht) arbeitet eigentlich ein Garmin Nüvi mit einer
 routingfähigen OSM-Karte? Ist das benutzbar?

 Ja, bis auf die noch nicht funktionierende Adress-Suche.

Woran hängt es? Nur wg. der bei uns fehlenden Hausnummern oder weil 
mkgmap keine funktionsfähige Suche hinbekommt?
Gibt's da irgendeinen Hack, z.B. mit den Herstellerkarten im 
Hintergrund, so dass die zur Suche benutzt werden?

 Mein 250er liegt hier aber meistens in der Schublade herum,
 nehme mittlerweile mein LegendHCX für alles (zu Fuß, Rad, Auto).

Das Gepiepse macht mich narrisch.

 Wenn man regelmäßig das Navi auch bei bekannten Strecken
 mitrouten lässt, kann man halt sehr schnell Routingfehler
 finden.

Das in der Tat der Hintergrund meiner Frage.
Da ich sowieso mit einem Navi-Zoo herumfahre, würde ein Geräte mehr oder 
weniger nicht weiter stören. Dann könnte ich live validieren nebenbei.
Außerdem würde ich sehen, welche noch fehltende Straße evtl. einen 
Schlenker wert ist für den Track.

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Re: [Talk-de] Durchgezogene Mittellinien / U-Turns verboten (was: Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?)

2010-02-28 Thread Nils Heuermann

Am Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:29:19 +0100 hat Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de  
geschrieben:

 Nils Heuermann w...@oemmes.net wrote:
 ... Die wayparts beschreiben den Querschnitt der Straße
 und ggf. spurabhängige Einschränkungen (z. B. Busspur). Der Name und
 andere allgemeine Eigenschaften (highway, surface, ...) bleiben  
 weiterhin
 am ganz normalen Way (letztere könnten allerdings für einzelne Spuren
 überschrieben werden).

 Das begreife ich irgendwie nicht. In Deinem ganzen Konstrukt finde ich
 keine Tags für den ganz normalen way, wie beispielsweise name oder
 ref der Gesamtstraße:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:User:%C3%96mmes/Wayparts
 Und genau das ist es, was mir derzeit einen Zugang zum
 Grundverständnis dieses Konstruktes verwehrt.

Also als *Voraussetzung* für wayparts braucht man erstmal eine Straße/Way.  
Den kann jeder ganz normal eintragen mit highway, name, ref, maxspeed usw.  
Als *Ergänzung* kann man dann diesen Weg in eine wayparts-Relation  
aufnehmen. Dort kann man z. B. sagen, dass dieser Weg 2 normale  
Fahrstreifen (mit durchgezogener Mittellinie), und in eine Richtung noch  
einen Fahrradschutzstreifen und eine Busspur hat.

Man hätte in diesem Beispiel dann einen Weg mit:
[interne ID = 12348765]
highway = residential
name = Meine Straße
maxspeed = 50

und eine Relation mit den Tags:
type = wayparts
parts:forward = 3
parts:backward = 1
part1:divider = line
part2 = cyclelane
part3:access = bus
und dem Member
way = 12348765

Was nicht für einen einzelnen Part überschrieben wurde, wird vom Way  
genommen. Also ist part1 automatisch highway=residential, hat maxspeed=50  
usw. auch part-1 (der in Gegenrichtung) erbt die Eigenschaften des Ways.

Gruß,
Nils

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Re: [Talk-de] die strassenliste kommt ja so langsam ins rollen.

2010-02-28 Thread Matthias Versen

bundesrainer wrote:

 Dann oute ich mich mal als der Amokläufer. ;-)

Die Wortwahl war wohl etwas übertrieben.

 Die Ebene der Verbandsgemeinden hatte ich ausgespart. Richtig. Ich
 hatte da den Fokus zu sehr auf die Straßenauswertung gelegt, da sah
 ich die VG als eher unbeteiligt, da die Straßenlisten sich ja stets
 auf Gemeinden oder Gemeindeteile beziehen.
 Da VG nur in RLP und Sachsen-Anhalt vorkommen, habe ich auch nichts
 Gegenteiliges im StraßenWiki vorgefunden. Zur besseren Übersicht kann
 man diese Ebene ja durchaus noch im StraßenWiki einziehen.

Die Gemeinden sind z.b. in NRW sind durch Reformen in den 70 Jahren 
zusammengefasst worden. Meistens wurden die Dörfern in eine Stadt 
eingegeliedert, auch wenn die vorher sebstständig waren aber es gibt 
auch Doppelstädte (Beispiel: Horn-Bad Meinberg), die heute zusammen die 
Stadt bilden. Selbst auf dem Land haben deshalb die meisten/alle 
Städte/Gemeinden eine größe von mindestens 5000 Einwohnern.

Die Struktur scheint in RLP und dem osten noch wesentlich kleiner zu 
sein und die Verbandsgemeinschaften bilden von der größe her das, was 
z.b. in NRW die Gemeinden sind.

Dies ist nur um zu zeigen, wie das Denkschema bei vielen ist wenn es um 
die größe geht.

Du kannst aber sicherlich Problemlos diese kleinen Einheiten benutzen 
wenn Du die entsprechenden Straßenlisten bekommst.

 Ich wusste nicht, dass ins StraßenWiki nur Gemeinden rein sollen, für
 die Relation UND Straßenliste bereits vorliegen. Ich dachte
 Platzhalter seien unproblematisch, da nur Seiten ausgewertet werden,
 die die entsprechende Struktur aufweisen. Soll man den Rest einfach
 löschen?

Platzhalter sind IMO absolut ok. Danke für die Arbeit diese zu integrieren !
Toll wäre es natürlich wnen Du die Straßenlisten auch noch besorgen 
könntest :-)

 Es tut mir leid, wenn ich mit meinem Vorgehen einige hier vor den Kopf
 gestoßen habe. Das war nicht meine Absicht.

Du hast keinen vor den Kopf gestoßen !
Walter ist halt nur ziemlich eifrig bei der Sache.

Die Auswertung ist einer der besten QA Projekte in OSM, es sorgt dafür 
das die Straßen vollständig erfasst werden denn es ist ein Ansporn 100% 
zu erreichen und zusätzlich werden die Gemeindegrenzen in OSM 
eingeflegt. Beides ist für die Navigation sehr, sehr wichtig !

Die Fortschritte in NRW innerhalb eines halben Jahres zeigen wieviel es 
gebracht hat !

Danke allen die sich um die Grenzen und Straßenlisten bemühen !

Matthias


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Re: [Talk-de] Software fuer Garmin etrex Legend HCx

2010-02-28 Thread SLXViper

Nick Rudnick schrieb:
 Hallo,
 ich musste neu installieren und finde meine CD für die

 MapSource Trip  Waypoint Manager Software

 zum Auslesen der Tracks nicht mehr. Bei Garmin finde ich sie nicht zum
 Downloaden.
   

Du  willst nur die Tracks haben? Warum speicherst du die nicht einfach
auf die microSD-Karte? Dort hättest du fertige .gpx zum Abholen via
Massenspeichermodus oder Kartenleser.
Alternativ ist auch gpsbabel (steht unter GNU GPL) hilfreich. Das kann
Tracks, Waypoints und Routen lesen und in andere Formate konvertieren
oder aus anderen Formaten lesen und auf das Gerät schreiben. Das kann
allerdings keine Karten anzeigen oder aufspielen.


Grüße

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Re: [Talk-de] Durchgezogene Mittellinien / U-Turns verboten (was: Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?)

2010-02-28 Thread Georg Feddern

Moin,

Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb:
 Am 28. Februar 2010 01:16 schrieb Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net:
   
 Turn-Restrictions, weil ich schlicht nicht verstehe, wie das geht.
 

 Das Hauptproblem sind dicht gemappte Bereiche, wo man ziemlich
 aufpassen muss, weil wenn die Straße schon Bestandteil einer Relation
 ist, diese Zugehörigkeit beim Splitten wieder auf beide Teilstücke
 übertragen wird. Bei einem muss man es nach dem Splitten allerdings
 löschen (habe gerade mal ein Enhancement-Vorschlags-Ticket hierzu
 erstellt, vielleicht könnte JOSM einem hier helfen).
   

Vorsicht, so allgemein geschrieben ist das falsch.
Das Löschen trifft nur zu, wenn die vorhandene Relation auch eine 
Turn-Restriction-Relation ist.
Bei anderen (Routen-)Relationen müssen beide Stücke in der vorhandenen 
(Routen-)Relation verbleiben.

Gruß
Georg


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Re: [Talk-de] Durchgezogene Mittellinien / U-Turns verboten (was: Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?)

2010-02-28 Thread Johann H. Addicks

Am 28.02.2010 16:31, schrieb Georg Feddern:

 Vorsicht, so allgemein geschrieben ist das falsch.
 Das Löschen trifft nur zu, wenn die vorhandene Relation auch eine
 Turn-Restriction-Relation ist.
 Bei anderen (Routen-)Relationen müssen beide Stücke in der vorhandenen
 (Routen-)Relation verbleiben.

Als Potlacher hat man so oder so verloren, da man Relationen nur wie 
durch's Schlüsselloch sieht. Man kann zwar etwas ändern, aber wenn's 
kaputt geht, dann bekommt man es garantiert nimmer repariert, weil man 
nix wiederfindet.

-jha-


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Re: [Talk-de] Durchgezogene Mittellinien / U-Turns verboten (was: Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?)

Nils Heuermann w...@oemmes.net wrote:

Also als *Voraussetzung* für wayparts braucht man erstmal eine Straße/Way. 

Das war der springende Punkt. Ich habe in Deinem Konstrukt gesucht, wo
der denn nun versteckt und verwurstet sei. Er war also gar nicht
enthalten. Damit wird der Konstrukt klar und die Basisdaten bleiben
auch für Otto Normalmapper problemlos editierbar.

Nochmals vielen Dank für Deine Erläuterungen. :-)


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Re: [Talk-de] Karten testen

2010-02-28 Thread Felix Hartmann



On 28.02.2010 15:06, Johann H. Addicks wrote:
 Am 28.02.2010 14:08, schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen:

 BTW: Wie gut (oder schlecht) arbeitet eigentlich ein Garmin Nüvi mit einer
 routingfähigen OSM-Karte? Ist das benutzbar?

 Ja, bis auf die noch nicht funktionierende Adress-Suche.
  
 Woran hängt es? Nur wg. der bei uns fehlenden Hausnummern oder weil
 mkgmap keine funktionsfähige Suche hinbekommt?
 Gibt's da irgendeinen Hack, z.B. mit den Herstellerkarten im
 Hintergrund, so dass die zur Suche benutzt werden?


Mit mkgmap erstellter Suchindex funktioniert zurzeit nur am PC in 
Garmins Mapsource Programm mehr oder weniger korrekt (Probleme mit 
Umlauten, Sonderzeichen). Am GPS kann man (etwa bei Nuvi mit 
vorinstallierter City Navigator) auch die vorinstallierte Karte fuer die 
Addresssuche benutzen, und mit osm autorouten.
Es ist IMHO sicherlich Anfaengerfreundlicher als andere Progs, aber fuer 
Noobs schon Arbeit sich einzuarbeiten.



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[Talk-de] Betitelung historischer Gebäude

Moin !

oftmals gibt es Gebäude die historische einmal eine Bedeutung hatten und 
heute noch eine Tafel tragen.

Wie taggt Ihr diesem ??

Gruß Jan :-)

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Re: [Talk-de] Durchgezogene Mittellinien / U-Turns verboten (was: Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?)

Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net wrote:

Als Potlacher hat man so oder so verloren, da man Relationen nur wie 
durch's Schlüsselloch sieht. Man kann zwar etwas ändern, aber wenn's 
kaputt geht, dann bekommt man es garantiert nimmer repariert, weil man 
nix wiederfindet.

Neben der Schlüssellochsichtweise kann man immer nur ein Objekt nach
dem Anderen in eine Relation packen. Die Zielrelation muss man bei
jedem Hinzufügen erneut auswählen. Bei JOSM kann man sehr viele
Objekte mit einem einzigen Schwung in die Relation aufnehmen. 

Zwei Dinge sind in Potlatch überhaupt nicht implemetiert:
1) Das Anzeigen und Editieren der Reihenfolge der Member in einer
Relation 
2) Die Anzeige, ob sich eine Relation in einer (Vater-) Relation
befindet sowie das Hinzufügen bzw Herausnehmen einer Relation zu/aus
einer (Vater-) Relation. 
Diese Dinge kann man nur auschließlich in JOSM anschauen und
editieren. 

Dafür ist Potlatch wesentlich intuitiver und ohne Anleitung erlernbar.
Zudem erfolgt bei Potlatch der Downlaod des Umfeldes des
Editierbereiches automatisch, während man JOSM jedesmal wieder
umständlich von Hand nachladen muss. Besonders fummelig wird das, wenn
man ein großes Objekt pflegen möchte. Auch das Aufsuchen des zu
editierenden Kartenausschnitts über die ganz normale OSM-Karte ist bei
Potlatch wesentlich besser gelöst. 


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Re: [Talk-de] die strassenliste kommt ja so langsam ins rollen.

2010-02-28 Thread Mirko Küster

 Die Struktur scheint in RLP und dem osten noch wesentlich kleiner zu
 sein und die Verbandsgemeinschaften bilden von der größe her das, was
 z.b. in NRW die Gemeinden sind.

Hier im osten gibts garnicht soviele Verbandsgemeinden. In Sachsen-Anhalt 
haben beispielsweise voriges Jahr unsere Nachbargemeinden die erste 
überhaupt in SA gebildet. Auch nur aus Zwang, weil man dort die 
Verwaltungsgemeinschaften abgeschaft hat. Ansonsten hat man dort viel 
eingemeindet. Das hat dann auch wieder so seine Nachteile. Die Fläche 
unserer Kreisstadt hat eine Fläche so groß wie die der Landeshauptstadt. Das 
ganze ist aber so zersiedelt das 80% davon nur Natur ist und die Wege länger 
werden. Wenn du da vom Außenposten zum Amt musst, sind das gleich mal 20 km.

Hier in Thüringen siehts anders aus. Wer kann bleibt selbstständig, tritt 
dann nur der Kosten wegen in eine VG ein. Wird sich aber auch ändern, jedes 
Jahr geht in fast jedem jedem Ort 1% der Einwohner verloren, die VGs sollen 
auch hier weg. Intern wird schon oft gestritten wer wen fressen soll. Hier 
sind die eigenständigen Nester mit 100 Seelen und einem Straßennamen noch 
vollkommen normal. Da brauchst du gleich garkeine offizielle Straßenliste. 
Hier ist es aber leider auch normal das in nach der Eingemeindung noch 
dutzende doppelte Straßennamen bestehen bleiben. Dewegen auch immer öfter 
mal die Kritik mit dem Routing oder Suche nur anhand eines 
Gemeindegrenzpolygons. Das geht in vielen Fällen  ohne genaue Ortsteilangabe 
in die Hose. Die Nester sind in der gleichen Gemeinde, haben die gleiche 
PLZ, der Ortsteil machts aus. Wie hübsch häßlich das ausgehen kann macht 
Google vor. Die gehen anscheinend nur nach PLZ. Und so erscheinen POIs aus 
unserer Stadt oft mal irgendwo 15 km weiter auf der Kuhbläke.

Das Problem mit den vielen nestern kommt daher das in der DDR noch nahezu 
die Gliederung seit Kriegsende bestand. Wirklich jedes Nest war da noch 
eingens verwaltet. Die ersten richtigen Änderungen kamen auch erst 1994. Und 
so gehts kleckerweise weiter. Und so hast du auch heute noch Kreise mit bis 
zu 90 Gemeinden. Das hat aber einen Vorteil. Ich habe einst wie so vieles 
andere einiges Material aus dem Heimatkundeunterricht vor der Tonne 
gerettet. Daraus lassen sich alle Grenzen gut ableiten, muss nur die 
obsoleten ausklammern. Das ist aber eben wegen der der noch riesgen 
zersiedelung eine aufwendige rödelei, weswegen ich wirklich nur bei richig 
Laune Grenzen eintrage.

Gruß
Mirko 


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[Talk-de] Wahlen und Straßenlisten

2010-02-28 Thread René Falk

Hallo zusammen,

in folgenden Gemeinden in Schleswig-Holstein gab bzw. gibt es 2010
Kommunalwahlen. Falls man von diesen Gemeinden kein Straßenverzeichnis
bekommen kann, könnten Interessierte Mapper sich mal nach den
öffentlichen Bekanntmachungen über die entsprechenden Wahlbezirke umsehen.

Stadt Mölln 28. Februar (14. März)
Stadt Wedel 28. Februar (28. März)
Stadt Heiligenhafen 28. Februar (14. März)
Gemeinde Leck   28. Februar (14.März)
Stadt Itzehoe   07. März (21. März)
Gemeinde Kronshagen 07. März (28. März)
Gemeinde Fockbek25. April (09. Mai)
Gemeinde Henstedt-Ulzburg   25. April (09. Mai)
Stadt Quickborn 09. Mai (06. Juni)
Stadt Bad Oldesloe  13. Juni (27. Juni)
Stadt Heide 20. Juni (04. Juli) (Straßenverzeichnis bereits vorhanden)
Gemeinde Helgoland  05. September (26. Sept.)

Grüße

René

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Re: [Talk-de] Betitelung historischer Gebäude

2010-02-28 Thread AssetBurned

moin

On 28.02.2010, at 18:41, Jan Tappenbeck wrote:
 
 oftmals gibt es Gebäude die historische einmal eine Bedeutung hatten und 
 heute noch eine Tafel tragen.
 
 Wie taggt Ihr diesem ??


hm schon überlegt einfach nen name tag zu nutzen?
in UK ist es durchaus üblich gebäude mit einem namen zu versehen und wie nen 
schneller blick z.B. nach london zeigt sind dort schon einige häuser mit namen 
versehen.

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