Re: [Talk-hr] 12.03.2011. OSM-HR neformalno druženje - Zagreb
Samo da ne bu kiše taj dan :)) ne da mi se vucarati po tramvajima 2011/3/23 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com On 03/23/2011 12:39 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Donesene su mnoge krucijalne odluke od kojih se sjećam prve, da moramo početi ucrtavati naselja, i naći neki izvor podataka za ista, i drugo, da se moramo češće nalaziti. I kad će sljedeći sastanak ? Da čujemo kad kome paše? ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr -- Svega što vrijedi Bog je stvorio malo, kako zlata tako i Hrvata. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] osm karta s routingom
To na google davno imaš tj. to je i prenešeno sa google di rutu možeš i editirati Ne zna jel znaš za ove linkove. http://www.runmap.net/ http://www.runmap.net/ http://www.bikemap.net/ 2011/3/23 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com Gledam na stranicama Portanova kako imaju google maps s dodatnom navigacijom: http://www.portanova.hr/lokacija/ Ako se klikne na Directions unutar balona onda se može ukucati početna destinacija, dok je krajnja već unešena. Postoji li kakav sličan servis koji bi koristio OSM kartu a da je jednako user friendly? Ako nema koliko bi komplicirano bilo za implementirati nešto slično? Valent. -- follow me - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, wireless, scuba, linuxmce smart home, zwave ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr -- Svega što vrijedi Bog je stvorio malo, kako zlata tako i Hrvata. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] NLEX Marilao Exit needs GPS tracks
http://osm.org/go/4zkAD5gS Both Bing and Yahoo show old imagery so we need GPS tracks to provide ground truth to the exit ramps. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 4th Informal talk STUK Leuven on the 4th of April
Hello, I am interested in those kind of meeting, but I am not free on 6th of April. Maybe next time? Julien 2011/3/21 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Hi, We're organising another informal gathering at 't STUK Leuven on the 4th of April 2011. We hope many people will show up. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#2011-04-06:_4th_Informal_talk_STUK.2C_Leuven Polyglot ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Open data
Great initiative! Let's hope it will actually result in free and open data! Jo 2011/3/24 Kenny Knecht kenny.kne...@gmail.com Nice initiative? http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/ondernemingen_technologie/Belgie_bevrijdt_zijn_data.9036746-3126.art Disclaimer: this is about the initiative itself, not about the party or the views of the one who takes the initiative... Kenny ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Open data
For anyone interested in Open Data, this could be interesting to attend: http://www.meetup.com/HackDemocracy/events/17010026/ On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:35, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Great initiative! Let's hope it will actually result in free and open data! Jo 2011/3/24 Kenny Knecht kenny.kne...@gmail.com Nice initiative? http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/ondernemingen_technologie/Belgie_bevrijdt_zijn_data.9036746-3126.art Disclaimer: this is about the initiative itself, not about the party or the views of the one who takes the initiative... Kenny ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] 4th Informal talk STUK Leuven on the 4th of April
On 03/24/2011 04:47 PM, Julien Fastré wrote: I haven't any possibility that week... sorry In the meanwhile, interessed by thé meeting, we were discussing with user Benoit coumont about organizing an informal meeting in liege. We were planning a poll to decide a good day. Would you like to come in liege? During the second week of April I have possibilities on 12th and 14th. Julien, Permets-moi la suggestion de laisser tel quel le rendez-vous du 6 Avril a Leuven, mais de mettre tes efforts sur le suivant, quelque part debut Mai. Je suis certainement chaud pour faire le trajet, faudra bien que je puisse (mieux qu'a Leuven...) garer ma bagnole haute de 2m52. (excusez du manque d'accents) Allow me to suggest leaving the next meeting in Leuven as proposed - and focus your efforts on the next one, somewhere in early May. I am quite willing to drive down to the Liege area - I am ashamed of my ignorance of it - but do find I place where I can park my van with its 2m52 heigth. Kindly, cordialement, hartelijk, Karel. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
Hi, On 03/24/11 09:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: ...and many prospective contributors are being shunned away because a new contributor doesn't have the same privileges as existing contributors. i.e. existing contributors can use non-CT compatible data, but new users cannot. That's a funny distinction you're making there. Technically, anyone can use any data source, even if it is not compatible with the OSM license; if this is found out, that data will of course be removed. Assuming that Nearmap-derived data is indeed not compatible with the future OSM license, I fail to understand how contributing data that will later be deleted is a privilege. I will not discuss this issue further on the talk list, as it is a topic for legal-talk and will only annoy those on talk who are not interested in legal matters. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
Francis Davey wrote: droit d'auteur does not (as I understand the term) include database right. Its un droit des producteurs de bases de données rather than un droit d'auteur (forgive my atrocious French - its been nearly 30 years since I studied it). Nearly 20 years here, but FWIW, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_d'auteur claims that la directive 96/9/CE accorde... la protection du droit d’auteur... aux bases de données. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Request-for-clarification-for-German-translation-of-CTs-1-2-4-tp6203351p6203428.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
On 24 March 2011 09:46, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Francis Davey wrote: droit d'auteur does not (as I understand the term) include database right. Its un droit des producteurs de bases de données rather than un droit d'auteur (forgive my atrocious French - its been nearly 30 years since I studied it). Nearly 20 years here, but FWIW, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_d'auteur claims that la directive 96/9/CE accorde... la protection du droit d’auteur... aux bases de données. Right. I'm not sure how that tells us very much. The point is that databases are protected in two ways by the directive: (1) as copyright and (2) as a new database right which is distinct thing (sui generis), so the directive: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31996L0009:FR:HTML says at article 3(1): Conformément à la présente directive, les bases de données qui, par le choix ou la disposition des matières, constituent une création intellectuelle propre à leur auteur sont protégées comme telle par le droit d'auteur. Aucun autre critère ne s'applique pour déterminer si elles peuvent bénéficier de cette protection. i.e. databases that are their author's own intellectual creation obtain protection under Droit d'auteur. But article 7(1) introduces a new database right: Les États membres prévoient pour le fabricant d'une base de données le droit d'interdire l'extraction et/ou la réutilisation de la totalité ou d'une partie substantielle, évaluée de façon qualitative ou quantitative, du contenu de celle-ci, lorsque l'obtention, la vérification ou la présentation de ce contenu attestent un investissement substantiel du point de vue qualitatif ou quantitatif. Where the condition for qualification is substantial investment (rather than traditional authorship). The shape of the new right is different. There's a translation of the French code here: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/html/codes_traduits/cpialtext.htm From which (I hope) you can see that droit d'auteur and droit des producteurs de base de données are quite different things. See: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do;jsessionid=CFFB5CB2278C47661B863BC58EA5C281.tpdjo03v_2?idSectionTA=LEGISCTA06161660cidTexte=LEGITEXT06069414dateTexte=20110324 Where it is plainly said: Cette protection est indépendante et s'exerce sans préjudice de celles résultant du droit d'auteur ou d'un autre droit sur la base de données ou un de ses éléments constitutifs. i.e. droit d'auteur is a separate concept. I hope that makes sense and is not too mad. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
Francis Davey wrote: I hope that makes sense and is not too mad. Absolutely. I guess what the Wikipedia article tells us is that informally (if incorrectly) one is often called the other and that, perhaps, is where the confusion in the French translation lies. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Request-for-clarification-for-German-translation-of-CTs-1-2-4-tp6203351p6203478.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
Richard Fairhurst wrote: [some stuff] Apparently CT 1.2.4 in French have just this moment gone live: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Request-for-clarification-for-German-translation-of-CTs-1-2-4-tp6203351p6204082.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
On 24 March 2011 13:13, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: I was referring to the 1.2.4 French translation http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/c/c2/2011-03-08_OSM_Contributor_Terms_1.2.4_FrenchTranslation.pdf What you have is the translation of 1.0. The issue wrt to the wording is if to use a strong must not infringe vs. a weak should not infringe (in the German translation). But contractual obligations aren't strong or weak. Can you explain what you think that difference means in terms of the obligations either would impose on a contributor? It may be that German law knows of a difference between strong and weak obligations. English law doesn't (yes there's a distinction between terms which do or do not entitle the other party to repudiate, but we aren't worrying about that here). In other words, the proper question is: what obligation does the English contractor terms place on a contributor, and then translate that obligation into German. I'm not sure how close the existing wording is to one of the various ones I suggested, but the intention is that the first part of 1(a) indicates OSMF's goal, and only the second part imposes an obligation, but as I explained earlier I am not sure that is what it does. Can I suggest that it would be a really really good idea to have the contributor terms drafted in one go by a professional lawyer, rather than bit by bit. I've had various requests to look at specific parts of the wording, but really the contract has to hang together as a whole. What needs to happen is that (whoever it is who makes these decisions) decides what they want the terms to do and then have them drafted to do that. Drafting good legal copy is not something that should be done like a wiki document. I realise everyone works very hard over this, but none of the versions I've seen make me happy in numerous ways. I speak as someone who has entirely no view as to what they should do, but since I draft exactly this kind of contract all the time (and sadly litigate others, though not ones I have drafted), I have quite strong sensibilities about how they should read. My spare time is pretty limited and my pro bono effort is directed at various other organisations (My Society, ORG and the One Click Organisation) but just to get this settled I'd be happy to take formal instruction from OSMF to sort this out properly without charge. But I don't want to be a self-publicist. It may be that everyone is happy with the CT's and feels no help is needed. There are almost certainly other (large) law firms that would be happy to offer a free consult so they could associate their name with OSMF's (which is now getting pretty famous). Anyway, I'll see what anyone thinks about that when I am back from holiday. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
On 24 March 2011 13:27, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR Excellent. Its nice not to have to work from PDF's. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
On 3/24/2011 5:40 AM, Francis Davey wrote: Also puzzling is the distinction in clause 1. The first sentence says: Dans le cas où des Contenus comprennent des éléments soumis à un droit d’auteur, Vous acceptez de n’ajouter que des Contenus dont Vous possédez la propriété intellectuelle. I am reading http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/c/c2/2011-03-08_OSM_Contributor_Terms_1.2.4_FrenchTranslation.pdf and that particular text has been removed on Mar 7. Thanks, N. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
Francis, have a nice holiday. Simon PS: I'm actually completly with you on the interpretation, the issue is that we have a large body of mappers that are German CS students, that just love arguing subtle points, and in formal specifications must, shall, should, etc. have very different meanings. Am 24.03.2011 14:27, schrieb Francis Davey: On 24 March 2011 13:13, Simon Poolesi...@poole.ch wrote: I was referring to the 1.2.4 French translation http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/c/c2/2011-03-08_OSM_Contributor_Terms_1.2.4_FrenchTranslation.pdf What you have is the translation of 1.0. The issue wrt to the wording is if to use a strong must not infringe vs. a weak should not infringe (in the German translation). But contractual obligations aren't strong or weak. Can you explain what you think that difference means in terms of the obligations either would impose on a contributor? It may be that German law knows of a difference between strong and weak obligations. English law doesn't (yes there's a distinction between terms which do or do not entitle the other party to repudiate, but we aren't worrying about that here). In other words, the proper question is: what obligation does the English contractor terms place on a contributor, and then translate that obligation into German. I'm not sure how close the existing wording is to one of the various ones I suggested, but the intention is that the first part of 1(a) indicates OSMF's goal, and only the second part imposes an obligation, but as I explained earlier I am not sure that is what it does. Can I suggest that it would be a really really good idea to have the contributor terms drafted in one go by a professional lawyer, rather than bit by bit. I've had various requests to look at specific parts of the wording, but really the contract has to hang together as a whole. What needs to happen is that (whoever it is who makes these decisions) decides what they want the terms to do and then have them drafted to do that. Drafting good legal copy is not something that should be done like a wiki document. I realise everyone works very hard over this, but none of the versions I've seen make me happy in numerous ways. I speak as someone who has entirely no view as to what they should do, but since I draft exactly this kind of contract all the time (and sadly litigate others, though not ones I have drafted), I have quite strong sensibilities about how they should read. My spare time is pretty limited and my pro bono effort is directed at various other organisations (My Society, ORG and the One Click Organisation) but just to get this settled I'd be happy to take formal instruction from OSMF to sort this out properly without charge. But I don't want to be a self-publicist. It may be that everyone is happy with the CT's and feels no help is needed. There are almost certainly other (large) law firms that would be happy to offer a free consult so they could associate their name with OSMF's (which is now getting pretty famous). Anyway, I'll see what anyone thinks about that when I am back from holiday. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/03/11 13:13, Simon Poole wrote: The issue wrt to the wording is if to use a strong must not infringe vs. a weak should not infringe (in the German translation). This would be an issue if the document stated that it uses the definitions provided by RFC 2119 and the words were capitalised. But this isn't an issue in plain language, where the words are synonyms. So it isn't an issue. - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNi1mlAAoJEOqcdhxmxssCqIoH/1Go1u3XQB8mqUuHKYgTy9aL gmpf8tLXvO3ysDYwSoK3DqqbXDRwVCH5ruZ6O1Alzv+zB0WjLagSQ8mdVtdykDz0 2MmmlqozT62jH/MueHQGc6pcZG55VWTWJAAThhH0lcvCLni49FjGNeq2jYdoZQA6 W8U9uz7OMir0u+3RZyQPZ0ZgoTIUCZOF3XwTYyJKiC09LEKrNinYGM9HCiWtidwp 4ODmCSMfiyLSdAE/FtvUNtxTpYiz/id497R1QcRZ3EyEFhVdMVYdYf7YwSch7lpA /KF9IxjqpY3qIibamo36redO726jnpkB3in4o2lZ++3DFaXjD403WycaWPklD3Y= =jYJ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 March 2011 20:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I don't agree. Of course it is important how much of the data will survive, but it is even more important to not loose active contributors. Many that were previously active contributors have since stopped contributing until this mess is sorted out since they don't want to waste more time and effort on improving things if the efforts of that labour is thrown out at a later date. ...and many prospective contributors are being shunned away because a new contributor doesn't have the same privileges as existing contributors. i.e. existing contributors can use non-CT compatible data, but new users cannot. Nor is there any way for a new contributor to work their way up and obtain the same status of existing contributors (in terms of permission to use non-CT data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City with completed housenumbering?
Hey! I'm 80% complete for Haarlem city center in The Netherlands. http://osm.org/go/0E4136xQJ- In Haarlem we have a pretty weird system with black and red numbers. You can have 2black, 2red, 4black, 4red. I'm just marking that as an even interpolation from 2 to 4. But I'm making sure I do get the numbers on every corner so routers can give the right turn instructions. After this is done I will continue with Amsterdam city center. BTW: I'm using http://dedeegpslogger.blogspot.com/ for android. Greetings, Floris Looijesteijn On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Matthias, I'm working quite hard on the house numbers of Pretoria (South Africa). I guess I collect a similar number of houses (around 22,000 numbers) since starting 2 months ago. But I admit my quality will be much lower. I just visit the 2 endpoints of each street and then use addr:interpolation. Quite often I use 'even' or 'odd' interpolation when the numbers increase 4 between properties. Another disadvantage of my approach is not splitting the interpolation way where it crosses another street. The drawback will be that OSM based SatNavs may get the last turn wrong (e.g. Turn left and stop instead of Turn right). 2011/3/23 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: Hi all, the mappers of the city of Rostock (Germany) is going to complete all house numbers of the town. I never heard that a city in OSM in that size (250.000 inhabitants, 22.000 numbers) had been completely mapped. I know the number import of Denmark, so they have 100% complete, but we asking ourself, if there is another bigger city that had manually been mapped all housenumbers? cu Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
On 24/03/2011 08:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: ...and many prospective contributors are being shunned away because a new contributor doesn't have the same privileges as existing contributors. i.e. existing contributors can use non-CT compatible data, but new users cannot. Nor is there any way for a new contributor to work their way up and obtain the same status of existing contributors (in terms of permission to use non-CT data. What data can new users not use? Will the same restriction apply to us all once the switch to the new licence and CTs is complete? -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City with completed housenumbering?
On 3/24/11 9:31 AM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Hey! I'm 80% complete for Haarlem city center in The Netherlands. http://osm.org/go/0E4136xQJ- In Haarlem we have a pretty weird system with black and red numbers. You can have 2black, 2red, 4black, 4red. I'm just marking that as an even interpolation from 2 to 4. But I'm making sure I do get the numbers on every corner so routers can give the right turn instructions. After this is done I will continue with Amsterdam city center. BTW: I'm using http://dedeegpslogger.blogspot.com/ for android. Hi Floris, all, Floris showed me this tool he's using for address surveying. Looks simple and useful. What are others using for address surveying in OSM? Walking Papers? MapZen? I would love to hear suggestions (Android or iPhone, or analog!) Martijn ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City with completed housenumbering?
Why don't you add the app to this question: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1385/what-is-the-best-mobile-application-for-large-scale-house-number-collection http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1385/what-is-the-best-mobile-application-for-large-scale-house-number-collection --Ciprian On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Martijn van Exel mart...@geodan.nlwrote: On 3/24/11 9:31 AM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Hey! I'm 80% complete for Haarlem city center in The Netherlands. http://osm.org/go/0E4136xQJ- In Haarlem we have a pretty weird system with black and red numbers. You can have 2black, 2red, 4black, 4red. I'm just marking that as an even interpolation from 2 to 4. But I'm making sure I do get the numbers on every corner so routers can give the right turn instructions. After this is done I will continue with Amsterdam city center. BTW: I'm using http://dedeegpslogger.blogspot.com/ for android. Hi Floris, all, Floris showed me this tool he's using for address surveying. Looks simple and useful. What are others using for address surveying in OSM? Walking Papers? MapZen? I would love to hear suggestions (Android or iPhone, or analog!) Martijn ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
Steve Doerr doerr.stephen at gmail.com writes: What data can new users not use? I believe the Nearmap imagery of Australia is blocked for those who are editing under the 1.0 contributor terms. They have agreed to share it under CC-BY-SA. The CTs require pretty much a blanket grant of rights to the OSMF, which is not acceptable to this particular aerial imagery supplier. In general, any CC-BY-SA licensed data or content is fine for older users who have not signed up to the more restrictive CTs, but new users cannot map with it. Will the same restriction apply to us all once the switch to the new licence and CTs is complete? I thought from following the legal-talk list that some work had been done to modify the CTs so that you need only grant permission on work that you own the copyright to, and so you could use other data sources, provided you have permission from them to license under CC-BY-SA and ODbL (and DbCL, if anyone can work out what the 'database contents' really means in this case). But from the current draft at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms it seems that work has been dropped, and we are back to the blanket grant of almost all rights? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City with completed housenumbering?
Hi all, well the most here use walking papers and loggers only to upload tracks as proof that the data were collected by hand. Currently I'm trying videomapping which has the advance, that you don't have to stop while riding and you get a max level of details. But of course it has cons like sometimes you just missed to record a housenumber, very time consuming analyses,... There is this logger looking nice, but he cant deal with german numbers like '42a' but you can save time on adding your data to the editors http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper Sounds great that we aren't the only ones that are crazy on housenumbers ;) @floro I added it to the software list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dedee_GpsLogger can you provide more informations, screenshot,... please? For further options please look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Software2 regards Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/03/2011 08:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: ...and many prospective contributors are being shunned away because a new contributor doesn't have the same privileges as existing contributors. i.e. existing contributors can use non-CT compatible data, but new users cannot. Nor is there any way for a new contributor to work their way up and obtain the same status of existing contributors (in terms of permission to use non-CT data. What data can new users not use? Will the same restriction apply to us all once the switch to the new licence and CTs is complete? As Ed mentioned, non CT-compatiable data, e.g. nearmap derived data. Yes they will, so in my opinion OSMF should either ban all existing users who have not accepted the CTs, or lift the requirement for new users to accept the CTs upon sign up (I would personally rather the latter, but I either would resolve the current discrepancy). (Yes I know this is a little hypocritical because I can ban myself by not contributing) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] new release for Show Your Journey
Hi, I've just made a new release for Show Your Journey (or syj, for short). It's a website to share routes. I had talked about it on this list of few months ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg33368.html Since last time, there have been a few minor improvements. The main new feature is the possibility to upload a route from a file (in kml, gpx or geojson format). A lot of people had asked for this feature. Also, syj has changed address: http://syj.renevier.net/ The old url should be available for some time, but it's better to use the new one from now. If you have any remark, question, or bug report, feel free to tell them to me. Regards arno ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
Hi, On 03/24/11 09:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: ...and many prospective contributors are being shunned away because a new contributor doesn't have the same privileges as existing contributors. i.e. existing contributors can use non-CT compatible data, but new users cannot. That's a funny distinction you're making there. Technically, anyone can use any data source, even if it is not compatible with the OSM license; if this is found out, that data will of course be removed. Assuming that Nearmap-derived data is indeed not compatible with the future OSM license, I fail to understand how contributing data that will later be deleted is a privilege. I will not discuss this issue further on the talk list, as it is a topic for legal-talk and will only annoy those on talk who are not interested in legal matters. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Request for clarification (for German translation) of CTs 1.2.4
On 24 March 2011 09:29, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: In context (which is how all contracts are read) it clearly means that the purpose of the contract is to ensure that the contribution of data does not infringe and to that end the contributor gives a warranty as to their state of knowledge about their right to authorize OSMF to do certain things. This is the 1.2.4 version. The French version: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR Clearly says something quite different as far as I can see, namely that the contributor agrees _only_ to add content for which they own the intellectual property. There's no clause that says which language contributor terms prevails - presumably whichever a contributor agrees to - so there are a multiplicity of agreements. Also puzzling is the distinction in clause 1. The first sentence says: Dans le cas où des Contenus comprennent des éléments soumis à un droit d’auteur, Vous acceptez de n’ajouter que des Contenus dont Vous possédez la propriété intellectuelle. But droit d'auteur does not (as I understand the term) include database right. Its un droit des producteurs de bases de données rather than un droit d'auteur (forgive my atrocious French - its been nearly 30 years since I studied it). propriété intellectuelle is a much wider term, which includes industrial property. Maybe there's a good reason for this wording and I'm not either French or a French lawyer. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City with completed housenumbering?
2011/3/24 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de Hi all, well the most here use walking papers and loggers only to upload tracks as proof that the data were collected by hand. Currently I'm trying videomapping which has the advance, that you don't have to stop while riding and you get a max level of details. But of course it has cons like sometimes you just missed to record a housenumber, very time consuming analyses,... There is this logger looking nice, but he cant deal with german numbers like '42a' but you can save time on adding your data to the editors http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper Sounds great that we aren't the only ones that are crazy on housenumbers ;) That KeypadMapper looks like something I should try. The wiki page also contains a link to the same question on help.osm.org: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1385/what-is-the-best-mobile-application-for-large-scale-house-number-collection Martijn [..] -- Martijn van Exel http://about.me/mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
Frederik Ramm wrote: Assuming that Nearmap-derived data is indeed not compatible with the future OSM license, I fail to understand how contributing data that will later be deleted is a quot;privilegequot;. (a) the license change is not a certainty (b) the OSM instance run by OSMF is not the only project using the data (including the last cc-by-sa dump if the license does change) Frederik Ramm wrote: I will not discuss this issue further on the talk list, as it is a topic for legal-talk and will only annoy those on talk who are not interested in legal matters. I fail to see how discussion of the future of the project doesn't belong on this list. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Licensing-Working-Group-tp6199509p6203454.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
2011/3/24 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: On 24 March 2011 06:00, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: ODbL gives us the real share-alike, open data license that we wish we had available to us when the project started. Who cares about share-alike? The fact of the matter is that it's impossible for anyone to steal, fork, clone, borrow, or in any other way take a copy of OSM without losing the value of OSM -- it's community. You either join the community and participate along with everyone else, or else you FAIL. well, someone who has its own community might steal/fork/clone/borrow (e.g. gmap maker, waze), or someone who has enough resources to pay lots of people (major mapping company). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
On 23 March 2011 11:37, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure this is the lie though. The lie would be zomg, not many users are accepting the ODbL I don't think that would be a lie. Much or little are of course fuzzy but I think here you have to use a sort of a logarithmic scale and I hope the license change working group is going to use that scale when/if they're deciding whether the moment is right to remove data from the editable database. 7% or 45% or 62% are all insignificantly small if you think of the amount of map data that remains incompatible. Even 98% is insignificantly small if this means that 2% of the userbase's data is going to be dropped. For the license change to not leave the project dead, the number needs to be really close to 100% of the user collected (i.e. not imported) data. 1% of a couple hunderds GB is really a lot of data, 0.1% is still probably more than some of the individual country extracts, and then 0.01% is probably an amount that we could afford losing if everyone put a lot of effort in fixing the breakage. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
andrzej zaborowski writes: On 23 March 2011 11:37, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure this is the lie though. The lie would be zomg, not many users are accepting the ODbL I don't think that would be a lie. Much or little are of course fuzzy but I think here you have to use a sort of a logarithmic scale and I hope the license change working group is going to use that scale when/if they're deciding whether the moment is right to remove data from the editable database. Y'know, I'm not understanding something. People whinge about CC-By-SA not being free enough, and that OSM should be public domain. The proper response to them (which I think most people agree with) is: if you don't like the license, fork the project. So why aren't the ODbL folks being told the same thing? You want a different license? Hey, great, no problem, go ahead, create a fork of OSM. But don't expect us to follow you. Here's what I say to everyone who wants to change the project's license: FORK OFF! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
On 25 March 2011 14:11, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: So why aren't the ODbL folks being told the same thing? You want a different license? Hey, great, no problem, go ahead, create a fork of OSM. But don't expect us to follow you. Anthony has been asking this for some time, since copying suitable data is the only moral if not legal thing to do, rather than trying to shift out non-ODBL suitable data... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 00:11 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Y'know, I'm not understanding something. People whinge about CC-By-SA not being free enough, and that OSM should be public domain. The proper response to them (which I think most people agree with) is: if you don't like the license, fork the project. So why aren't the ODbL folks being told the same thing? You want a different license? Hey, great, no problem, go ahead, create a fork of OSM. But don't expect us to follow you. The problem is, any fork under the existing licence can continue without problem. Any fork under the new licence, cannot use any data unless the user who contributed that data can/will give them 100% rights. Those against the ODbL can fork any time, and continue with the data under a CC licence without worrying about relicencing someone elses data. Those in favour of the ODbl have to ensure the data they hold can be relicenced. This doesnt allow for the fact of people who have simply clicked accept, without understanding that they might not have the rights to relicence data theyve contributed, so short of starting from scratch and explaining to every new user the exact conditions of their data contribution and use, the OSM data will never be 100% 'clean', but the struggle to go from 99% to 99.9% clean, will sadly reduce the quantity of data at the expense of the licence quality of it. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-br] Yahoo
Bom dia.. estou usando o JOSM para usar no interior do RJ porém percebo que com o bing tem áreas que não tem imagem de satélites,.. tipo na cidade de são fidelis.. não tem imagens de satélite de perto.. existe algum outro serividor que funcione aqui no brasil que vcs esteja usando? -- Cordeiro de Deus que tira os pecados do mundo, tenha piedade de nós... ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Yahoo
2011/3/24 Diogo W dio...@diogow.com: É, mas aviões são muito complexos de operar (eles precisam passar a uma determinada velocidade senão caem). Por isso a sugestão dos balões. Tem um pessoal lá fora que usa umas pipas/papagaios (kites) com estabilização para a câmera também. Mas a vantagem do balão contra essas pipas/papagaios é que podem alcançar uma altitude maior. Att, Diogo W. Nunes Sem contar o custo de um VANT desses, que deve ser alto. -- Lúcio Flávio Corrêa (+55) (87) 9127-9487 @luciofcorrea ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Yahoo
http://fantastico.globo.com/Jornalismo/FANT/0,,MUL1639044-15605,00-CAMERA+PRESA+A+BALAO+REGISTRA+IMAGENS+DA+ESTRATOSFERA.html 2011/3/24 Diogo W dio...@diogow.com: É, mas aviões são muito complexos de operar (eles precisam passar a uma determinada velocidade senão caem). Por isso a sugestão dos balões. Tem um pessoal lá fora que usa umas pipas/papagaios (kites) com estabilização para a câmera também. Mas a vantagem do balão contra essas pipas/papagaios é que podem alcançar uma altitude maior. Att, Diogo W. Nunes 2011/3/24 Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com A solucao eh usar vant - veiculo aereo nao tripulado. Acesse agx.com.br para ver exemplos interessantes. Em 24/03/2011 10:18, Diogo W dio...@diogow.comescreveu: Não tem nenhum maluco como eu na lista que esteja interessado em fazer imagens por balão ? Você compra um balão de látex, enche de hélio, coloca uma câmera/celular e manda ele pro céu pra bater as fotos ! Só me faltam os recursos rsrs Diogo W. 2011/3/24 Rodrigo de Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Se não há imagens do Bing ou do Yahoo! na sua região, resta apenas usar trilhas gpx pra mapear. ... ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- dio...@diogow.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- dio...@diogow.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Odilon Lima ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Yahoo
no caso da globo.. o pessoal usou um GPS para localizar onde a câmera caiu. 2011/3/24 Guilherme Bacellar Moralez guibacel...@gmail.com: Já pensei nisso viu. O problema não é mandar. É pega de volta. Enviada do meu Iphone On 24/03/2011, at 15:07, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote: Eu vi o pessoal no State of the Map 2009 produzindo imagens com um quadcopter, um helicóptero de controle remoto com 4 hélices. []s 2011/3/24 Odilon Lima odilon...@gmail.com: http://fantastico.globo.com/Jornalismo/FANT/0,,MUL1639044-15605,00-CAMERA+PRESA+A+BALAO+REGISTRA+IMAGENS+DA+ESTRATOSFERA.html 2011/3/24 Diogo W dio...@diogow.com: É, mas aviões são muito complexos de operar (eles precisam passar a uma determinada velocidade senão caem). Por isso a sugestão dos balões. Tem um pessoal lá fora que usa umas pipas/papagaios (kites) com estabilização para a câmera também. Mas a vantagem do balão contra essas pipas/papagaios é que podem alcançar uma altitude maior. Att, Diogo W. Nunes 2011/3/24 Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com A solucao eh usar vant - veiculo aereo nao tripulado. Acesse agx.com.br para ver exemplos interessantes. Em 24/03/2011 10:18, Diogo W dio...@diogow.comescreveu: Não tem nenhum maluco como eu na lista que esteja interessado em fazer imagens por balão ? Você compra um balão de látex, enche de hélio, coloca uma câmera/celular e manda ele pro céu pra bater as fotos ! Só me faltam os recursos rsrs Diogo W. 2011/3/24 Rodrigo de Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Se não há imagens do Bing ou do Yahoo! na sua região, resta apenas usar trilhas gpx pra mapear. ... ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- dio...@diogow.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- dio...@diogow.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Odilon Lima ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Odilon Lima ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Yahoo
Já fiz fotografias aéreas com pipas, mas é muito dificil conseguir fotografias de grande altitude que sejam úteis para mapeamento. Acho que o balão deve ser o melhor custo benefício mesmo. Abraço 2011/3/24 Odilon Lima odilon...@gmail.com no caso da globo.. o pessoal usou um GPS para localizar onde a câmera caiu. 2011/3/24 Guilherme Bacellar Moralez guibacel...@gmail.com: Já pensei nisso viu. O problema não é mandar. É pega de volta. Enviada do meu Iphone On 24/03/2011, at 15:07, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote: Eu vi o pessoal no State of the Map 2009 produzindo imagens com um quadcopter, um helicóptero de controle remoto com 4 hélices. []s 2011/3/24 Odilon Lima odilon...@gmail.com: http://fantastico.globo.com/Jornalismo/FANT/0,,MUL1639044-15605,00-CAMERA+PRESA+A+BALAO+REGISTRA+IMAGENS+DA+ESTRATOSFERA.html 2011/3/24 Diogo W dio...@diogow.com: É, mas aviões são muito complexos de operar (eles precisam passar a uma determinada velocidade senão caem). Por isso a sugestão dos balões. Tem um pessoal lá fora que usa umas pipas/papagaios (kites) com estabilização para a câmera também. Mas a vantagem do balão contra essas pipas/papagaios é que podem alcançar uma altitude maior. Att, Diogo W. Nunes 2011/3/24 Arlete Meneguette arletemenegue...@gmail.com A solucao eh usar vant - veiculo aereo nao tripulado. Acesse agx.com.br para ver exemplos interessantes. Em 24/03/2011 10:18, Diogo W dio...@diogow.comescreveu: Não tem nenhum maluco como eu na lista que esteja interessado em fazer imagens por balão ? Você compra um balão de látex, enche de hélio, coloca uma câmera/celular e manda ele pro céu pra bater as fotos ! Só me faltam os recursos rsrs Diogo W. 2011/3/24 Rodrigo de Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Se não há imagens do Bing ou do Yahoo! na sua região, resta apenas usar trilhas gpx pra mapear. ... ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- dio...@diogow.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- dio...@diogow.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Odilon Lima ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Odilon Lima ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Rafael Gustavo Gassner 55 41 9821-8368 ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Karte ohne Namen vom Toolserver
hi ! ich habe bei mir die Grundkarte vom Toolserver ohne Namen einbinden wollen - doch die Karte wird nicht angezeigt. OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver = OpenLayers.Class(OpenLayers.Layer.OSM, { initialize: function(name, options) { var url = [ http://a.www.toolserver.org/tiles/; + name + /${z}/${x}/${y}.png, http://b.www.toolserver.org/tiles/; + name + /${z}/${x}/${y}.png, http://c.www.toolserver.org/tiles/; + name + /${z}/${x}/${y}.png ]; options = OpenLayers.Util.extend({numZoomLevels: 19}, options); OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.prototype.initialize.apply(this, [name, url, options]); }, CLASS_NAME: OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver }); // basemap map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver('Toolserver - nolabels')); Kann mir einer sagen warum diese nicht angezeigt wird?? ... und wie ist es ggf. mit der Verfügbarkeit ? gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karte ohne Namen vom Toolserver
Hi, Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: // basemap map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver('Toolserver - nolabels')); Kann mir einer sagen warum diese nicht angezeigt wird?? du darfst den Namen nicht ändern! dann klappt es auch mit der Karte: // basemap map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver('osm-no-labels')); viele gruesse pascal ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karte ohne Namen vom Toolserver
Am 24.03.2011 10:17, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! ich habe bei mir die Grundkarte vom Toolserver ohne Namen einbinden wollen - doch die Karte wird nicht angezeigt. OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver = OpenLayers.Class(OpenLayers.Layer.OSM, { initialize: function(name, options) { var url = [ http://a.www.toolserver.org/tiles/; + name + /${z}/${x}/${y}.png, http://b.www.toolserver.org/tiles/; + name + /${z}/${x}/${y}.png, http://c.www.toolserver.org/tiles/; + name + /${z}/${x}/${y}.png ]; options = OpenLayers.Util.extend({numZoomLevels: 19}, options); OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.prototype.initialize.apply(this, [name, url, options]); }, CLASS_NAME: OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver }); // basemap map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver('Toolserver - nolabels')); Also mit http://b.www.toolserver.org/tiles/osm-no-labels/7/66/42.png bekomme ich ein Kartenbild zu sehen. Wie kommst du auf Toolserver - nolabels als Name? Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karte ohne Namen vom Toolserver
Am 24.03.2011 10:51, schrieb Pascal Neis: Hi, Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: // basemap map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver('Toolserver - nolabels')); Kann mir einer sagen warum diese nicht angezeigt wird?? du darfst den Namen nicht ändern! dann klappt es auch mit der Karte: // basemap map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Toolserver('osm-no-labels')); viele gruesse pascal hi ! danke - das wird es gewesen sein. habe wohl mal wieder nicht nachgedacht beim editieren ! gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kurze java / osmosis-frage
Am 24. März 2011 11:23 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: jetzt funktioniert es ! was war das Problem? Alte java version? Wenn Du die Lösung hier postest, hat der nächste, der diesen Thread mit seiner Suchmaschine findet, auch was davon. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kurze java / osmosis-frage
Hi, ich hatte das Problem mit der selbstgebauten Debianversion (basierend auf dem release 0.38) auch. Baue ich statt dessen mit der 'latest' klappte es auch auch. Am 24.03.2011 13:06, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: was war das Problem? Alte java version? Wenn Du die Lösung hier postest, hat der nächste, der diesen Thread mit seiner Suchmaschine findet, auch was davon. Ich vermute das am Release 0.38 ans sich liegt. Da ich mich mit dem Java Zeugs nicht so tief auskenne ist das aber auch nur eine Vermutung. Da es noch diverse Sachen gibt die gemäß den Debian Policies beachtet werden müssen gibt es keinen offiziellen Release einer neuen Debian Version. Dies hatte mir der Maintainer auf Anfrage von mir vor einigen Wochen geschrieben. Siehe auch: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605698 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609772 Ich habe die Entwicklung von Osmosis aber nicht weiter verfolgt in den letzten Wochen. Gruß CS ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] FOSSGIS-Konferenz 5.-7. April in Heidelberg: Anmeldung noch bis morgen
Hallo, wer noch nicht zur FOSSGIS-Konferenz angemeldet ist, kann das noch bis morgen (Freitag) nachholen, und zwar hier: https://www.fossgis.de/civicrm/event/register?reset=1id=1 Die Teilnahme ist fuer Mapper kostenlos (ihr koennt einfach ankreuzen, dass ihr kostenlos teilnehen wollt, und im Begruendungsfeld angeben, dass ihr bei OSM aktiv seid). Die Veranstaltet bietet eine ganze Menge interessante OSM-Vortraege - hier eine alphabetische Liste nur der OSM-Veranstaltungen: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2011/programm/track/Vortr%C3%A4ge%20%28OSM%29/index.de.html und hier der Link zum kompletten Vortragsprogramm: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2011/programm/index.de.html Auch im nicht-OSM-Bereich gibt es vieles, was zum Blick ueber den Tellerrand einlaedt, z.B. Vortraege ueber verschiedene JavaScript-Bibliotheken, schnelle WMS-Server, Marble, QGIS, und eine ganze Menge anderer GIS-Tools. Eine Teilnahme *ohne* vorherige Anmeldung ist moeglich, aber uns waere es sehr lieb, wenn sich moeglichst jeder, der kommen will, auch anmeldet, damit wir die Essenskapazitaeten planen, Namensschilder drucken und so weiter koennen. Es wird auf der Konferenz auch wieder eine Reihe von OSM-Lightning Talks geben, also fuenfminuetige Kurzpraesentationen zu einem Thema. Wenn jemand einen solchen Talk halten moechte, dann kann er das mir per eMail melden, wir machen dann die Terminabstimmung (es gibt an jedem der drei Konferenztage ein paar Plaetze fuer Lightning Talks). Geeignet fuer Lightning talks sind z.B. die Vorstellung von bestimmer Software, die ihr einsetzt oder geschrieben habt, oder bestimmte Mapping-Techniken aus Eurem Alltag; interessante Nutzungen von OSM oder Projekte, die ihr zusammen mit einer Schule, Verwaltung oder anderen Organisation durchgefuehrt habt... letztes Jahr hatten wir diese Liste (und noch einige mehr): http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2010-February/063715.html Die spontane Anmeldung von Lightning Talks auf der Konferenz selber ist moeglich, sofern noch Platz ist. Ich wuerde mich freuen, viele von Euch in Heidelberg zu sehen! Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit germany.osm.pbf?
Moin, Frederik Ramm schrieb am 24.03.2011 01:44: Es gibt einen Trick, wie man den Redirect umgehen kann, und zwar, indem man -noredirect an den Dateinamen hinten dran haengt. BITTE das aber nur im Ausnahmefall benutzen und nicht einfach mal blind in jedes Skript reinhauen, sonst kann ich mir den Redirect komplett sparen ;) Der Server ist bei einem Hoster mit 6 TB Inklusivvolumen im Monat, und nur durch den Redirect zu gwdg.de kann ich das ueberhaupt einhalten - sonst wuerde das richtig teuer. Mir ging es im Wesentlichen darum, Bescheid zu sagen, dass da was nicht ordentlich laeuft. Und das hat ja offensichtlich auch funktioniert, vielen Dank dafuer! Gruss Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen Landmasse
Am 22.03.2011 11:20, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: M.E. spielt es überhaupt keine Rolle, wenn man mal eben eine Übersichtskarte von Deutschland zeichnen möchte, ob es diese Relationen gibt oder nicht.Es ändert sich sogar dadurch, dass Deutschland im Norden an Dänemark grenzt und im Süden das schwäbische Meer nicht zählt, am Platzbedarf überhaupt nichts, egal ob man die Landmasse rendert oder die administrative Grenze. Man muss da auch nichts joinen: man rendert mal eben alles innerhalb der administrativen Grenzen Deutschlands und erhält so eine Übersichtskarte. Ja, wenn man denn alles innerhalb Deutschlands rendern möchte. Eine Übersichtskarte, genauer eine politische Karte wie z.B. [1] benutzt aber eben nicht alles. Wenn du für die Tagesschau mal eben die Umrissen vom Schleswig-Holstein haben möchtest um dort einen Roten-Punkt für das Ereignis einzutragen, willst du nicht wirklich Umrisse von: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/51529 Sondern von: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/62775 (Die Relationen laden im Browser sehr langsam. Ich denke es kann sich jeder die Unterschiede vorstellen, bei dem einen gibt es halt eine Simpel 12 Meilen Grenze rund um SH bei der anderen Relation kann man z.B. Sylt ganz toll erkennen. Ich verstehe auch nicht, warum man Rügen, Sylt, Helgoland ohne die Relation nicht extra erkennen sollte (sind als Inseln ja klar getrennt, sind eigene Polygone). Im Moment muss ich nur alle boundary=administrative mit entsprechenden Admin Level für die Bundesländer und alle landmass mit Admin Level für die Bundesländer von der XAPI oder so holen. Dann kann ich wenn eine Landmassen-Relation habe diese verwenden und ansonsten die entsprechende boundary Relation. jetzt schnell ein paar Farben festlegen und fertig ist die Deutschlandkarte mit Inseln etc.. Wenn ich die Landmass Relationen nicht hätte würden Niedersachen, Schle Ho und Meck Pomm an der Küste nicht die Küstenlinie wiederspiegeln. Ich gebe zu, das es vermutlich auch nicht viel schlimmer ist, zusätzlich noch die coastlines zu holen und dann daraus sowas zu berechnen. Ich fand die Landmassen-Relationen dafür eigentlich ganz praktisch, aber wenn ich der einzige bin, der das so sieht, schmeist den Kram weg. Zu pflegen ist es saumäßig dumm. Das sage ich, weil ich dort schon recht viel Energie reingesteckt habe. Gruß Sven [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Karte_Deutsche_Bundesl%C3%A4nder_(nummeriert).svg/443px-Karte_Deutsche_Bundesl%C3%A4nder_(nummeriert).svg.png ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen Landmasse
Am 23.03.2011 09:54, schrieb Wolfgang: sicher sind viele der Grenzen für viele der Mapper überflüssig. Und ganz sicher könnte man die Grenzen in eine Art Parallel-DB openBorderMap auslagern, da sie, z.B. im Gegensatz zu den häufig genannten TMC-Daten, für sich stehen. Sie haben feste Koordinaten, die vom Straßennetz und anderen geographischen Daten unabhängig sind. Falsch, in den Grenzbeschreibungen für die Hamburger Stadtteile steht z.B. drinn, das die Grenze in der Mitte der Straße Reherstieg verläuft. Ich bin kein Jurist, aber ich denke, wenn sich die Straße verschiebt, weil rechts noch eine Spur drann asphaltiert werden würde, würde sich die Grenze mit verschieben. Das ist alles ziemlich abgefahren. Gruß Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen Landmasse
Hi. Ich brauch bisher weder Landmassen noch Grenzen (allerdings könnte das auf mich zukommen). Ich würde aber als Programmierer sagen: Schreibe doch irgendjemand ein Skript, dass die Landmasse berechnet, und alle Argumemte FÜR die Landmasse lösen sich quasi in Luft auf. Dass dieses Skript nicht so besonders kompliziert ist, habt ihr im Laufe des Threads festgestellt. Dass es kompliziert ist, die Landmasse-Relation intakt zu halten, auch. Ein Skript, dass !client-seitig! die Landmasse erzeugt, spart erstens Datenvolumen, zweitens Fehlerpotential und drittens ist es auch ansonsten sauberer. Gruß Peter Am 24.03.2011 19:30, schrieb Sven Anders: Am 22.03.2011 11:20, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: M.E. spielt es überhaupt keine Rolle, wenn man mal eben eine Übersichtskarte von Deutschland zeichnen möchte, ob es diese Relationen gibt oder nicht.Es ändert sich sogar dadurch, dass Deutschland im Norden an Dänemark grenzt und im Süden das schwäbische Meer nicht zählt, am Platzbedarf überhaupt nichts, egal ob man die Landmasse rendert oder die administrative Grenze. Man muss da auch nichts joinen: man rendert mal eben alles innerhalb der administrativen Grenzen Deutschlands und erhält so eine Übersichtskarte. Ja, wenn man denn alles innerhalb Deutschlands rendern möchte. Eine Übersichtskarte, genauer eine politische Karte wie z.B. [1] benutzt aber eben nicht alles. Wenn du für die Tagesschau mal eben die Umrissen vom Schleswig-Holstein haben möchtest um dort einen Roten-Punkt für das Ereignis einzutragen, willst du nicht wirklich Umrisse von: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/51529 Sondern von: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/62775 (Die Relationen laden im Browser sehr langsam. Ich denke es kann sich jeder die Unterschiede vorstellen, bei dem einen gibt es halt eine Simpel 12 Meilen Grenze rund um SH bei der anderen Relation kann man z.B. Sylt ganz toll erkennen. Ich verstehe auch nicht, warum man Rügen, Sylt, Helgoland ohne die Relation nicht extra erkennen sollte (sind als Inseln ja klar getrennt, sind eigene Polygone). Im Moment muss ich nur alle boundary=administrative mit entsprechenden Admin Level für die Bundesländer und alle landmass mit Admin Level für die Bundesländer von der XAPI oder so holen. Dann kann ich wenn eine Landmassen-Relation habe diese verwenden und ansonsten die entsprechende boundary Relation. jetzt schnell ein paar Farben festlegen und fertig ist die Deutschlandkarte mit Inseln etc.. Wenn ich die Landmass Relationen nicht hätte würden Niedersachen, Schle Ho und Meck Pomm an der Küste nicht die Küstenlinie wiederspiegeln. Ich gebe zu, das es vermutlich auch nicht viel schlimmer ist, zusätzlich noch die coastlines zu holen und dann daraus sowas zu berechnen. Ich fand die Landmassen-Relationen dafür eigentlich ganz praktisch, aber wenn ich der einzige bin, der das so sieht, schmeist den Kram weg. Zu pflegen ist es saumäßig dumm. Das sage ich, weil ich dort schon recht viel Energie reingesteckt habe. Gruß Sven [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Karte_Deutsche_Bundesl%C3%A4nder_(nummeriert).svg/443px-Karte_Deutsche_Bundesl%C3%A4nder_(nummeriert).svg.png ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen Landmasse
Am 24. März 2011 19:30 schrieb Sven Anders s...@anders-hamburg.de: Ich gebe zu, das es vermutlich auch nicht viel schlimmer ist, zusätzlich noch die coastlines zu holen und dann daraus sowas zu berechnen. Ich fand die Landmassen-Relationen dafür eigentlich ganz praktisch, aber wenn ich der einzige bin, der das so sieht, schmeist den Kram weg. Zu pflegen ist es saumäßig dumm. Das sage ich, weil ich dort schon recht viel Energie reingesteckt habe. ja, das habe ich befürchtet. Es ist viel Arbeit, und bei jeder neuen kleinen Insel muss man die Relation suchen und erweitern, zudem geht sie vermutlich öfters mal kaputt. Wenn man es automatisch macht, spart man sich diese Arbeit. (Wenn man ein BIld für die Tagesschau macht, will man vermutlich auch noch andere Bearbeitungen (Vereinfachungen) machen, so dass man um eine Nachbearbeitung wahrscheinlich sowieso nicht rumkommt.) Eigentlich ist es mir egal, wie das an der Nordseeküste gemacht wird, weil ich da kaum editiere, und ich sehe gerade, dass die italienische Landmassenrelation wieder verschwunden ist ;-) Danke für die Beispiele, mir war das ehrlich gesagt gar nicht klar, dass das in Deutschland so aussieht. In Italien sind die admin_level 4 Grenzen auf der coastline, so dass es wirklich keinen Unterschied macht: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/40784 Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Censimento power station e dati Terna
Volevo informarvi di come e' andata a finire con TERNA: ho scritto chiedendo se potevo utilizzare i dati presenti sul sito con particolare riferimento ai PDF di elenco delle stazioni elettriche. LA risposta e' stata positiva, purche' se ne citi la fonte. Ecco il testo: -- Gentile Sig. Tambussa, i dati presenti sul sito Terna sono pubblici e come tali possono essere utilizzati citando la fonte. Cordiali saluti, Info Terna -- Saluti a tutti Fabrizio Il giorno 22 marzo 2011 22:04, Guido Piazzi gu...@fotocaos.it ha scritto: Il giorno 21/mar/2011, alle ore 21.24, Paolo Pozzan ha scritto: Inoltre in questi casi può tornare utile sapere che (cito da wikipedia=it:Elettrodotto): In base al numero di dischi isolanti si può valutare velocemente l'entità della tensione dell'elettrodotto. Considerando che ogni disco sopporta una tensione di circa 15 kV (nei casi più disgraziati) , il numero di dischi isolanti è solitamente dato dalla formula (Vn / 15)+1 e quindi per fare un esempio: una linea da 380 kV sarà caratterizzata da isolatori composti da (380/15)+1 dischi, con il numero opportunamente arrotondato all' unità successiva cioè 27. L'ho letta anch'io, ma mi sembra che questa regola funzioni solo per le linee a 132 kV, che normalmente hanno isolatori a 9 elementi. Dalle mie parti (Lombardia), le linee a 220 kV hanno isolatori a 14 o 15 elementi e quelle da 380 kV ne hanno da 19 a 21. Sarebbe interessante avere notizie anche da qualcuno che vive nelle regioni che hanno la rete a 150 kV (parte di Campania o Basilicata, se non ricordo male)... Saluti Guido ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Censimento power station e dati Terna
Il 24 marzo 2011 10:20, Fabrizio Tambussa ha scritto: LA risposta e' stata positiva, purche' se ne citi la fonte. Puoi aggiungere un paragrafo a http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:power documentando come citerai la fonte? Mettendo il tag source[1] sui singoli oggetti dovresti fare qualcosa come source=(foto satellitari...) source:name=(Terna...) source:operator=(Terna...) source:voltage=(Terna...) e c'è il rischio che in caso di aggiornamenti futuri qualcuno non aggiorni il tag source mentre mettendolo nel changeset il tag source c'è oppure no, ma non può essere obsoleto per dimenticanza e si eviterebbe anche di mettere sui nodi un'informazione non verificabile sul posto. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Censimento power station e dati Terna
Io utilizzo Merkaartor per l'editazione e nella mia ignoranza non ho trovato dove specificare il tag source nel changeset. Lo posso specificare nel commento del changeset quando invio i dati sul server. Attualmente ho taggato le modifiche con un source=www.terna.it Saluti Il giorno 24 marzo 2011 14:39, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 24 marzo 2011 10:20, Fabrizio Tambussa ha scritto: LA risposta e' stata positiva, purche' se ne citi la fonte. Puoi aggiungere un paragrafo a http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:power documentando come citerai la fonte? Mettendo il tag source[1] sui singoli oggetti dovresti fare qualcosa come source=(foto satellitari...) source:name=(Terna...) source:operator=(Terna...) source:voltage=(Terna...) e c'è il rischio che in caso di aggiornamenti futuri qualcuno non aggiorni il tag source mentre mettendolo nel changeset il tag source c'è oppure no, ma non può essere obsoleto per dimenticanza e si eviterebbe anche di mettere sui nodi un'informazione non verificabile sul posto. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] reperibilità dati
Ciao, ho notato che importate dati da terze parti, spesso dalla pubblica amministrazione. come posso muovermi per lab mia zona, la calabria ? ci sono anche importazioni a livello nazionale? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-lt] Bing paslinkimai
2011 m. kovas 24 d. 12:14, Albertas Agejevas rašė: Kokie čia matai? Metrai? Tada nurodei paslinkimus daugmaž vandenilio atomo diametro milijoninės dalies tikslumu. Manyčiau, trijų reikšmingų skaitmenų būtų per akis. Manau tie skaičiai buvo tiesiog kopipeistas iš JOSM palydovo nuotraukos paslinkimo nustatymų. Kaip jau aptarta aukščiau, tai ne visada veikia ir galutinis tiksliausias variantas lieka persijunginėjimas tarp bing+ort10lt sluoksnių (ort10lt naudojant griežtai tik teisingos pozicijos nustatymui). Beje šitą paslinkimo tinkinimą reikia daryti ne vieną kartą vienai bing nuotraukai, o vieną kartą VIENAI VIETAI. Pavojus šitos procedūros detalesnio aprašymo yra tas, kad nežinantiems gali kilti noras paišyti tiesiai iš ORT10LT, kas yra DRAUDŽIAMA (nes nėra gautas leidimas taip naudoti ort10lt). -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Bing paslinkimai
Beje, pažiūrėkite štai šitą vietą: http://openmap.lt/?zoom=16lat=54.60522lon=24.84009layers=B00FFFTT Gan tiksliai sutampa Bingas, GPS pėdsakai, o štai ORT10LT - šone... Stipraus miško ar aukštų pastatų, kurie galėtų apgauti GPS pėdsakus, šalia nesimato, pėdsakų gan daug... Kaip jūs tai paaiškinsite? -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
[Talk-lt] Startinis lietuvisko openstreetmap puslapis
Sveiki, uzmeciau aki i http://www.openstreetmap.ru/. Visai graziai padaryta, man atrodo ir, svarbiausia, logiskai. Gal kas panasu lietuviska sukeptumete start page'a? ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-dk] landsbyer landuse place
Esben Damgaard maillist@... writes: Den 18-03-2011 15:34, Esbern Snare skrev: 2: ramme ind og tagge landuse:residential + ny node med tagget place: f.eks. Village eller Hamlet og name: byens navn Den rigtige må vel være 2, for hvad hvis byen ikke udelukkende er residential, men også commercial, eller industrial, eller railway, osv.. Derfor ser jeg place som den konsekvente tagning på en by. Der kan vel også findes residential landuse udenfor byer? Enig. Vi snakkede også om det her for et par måneder siden hvor jeg spurgte om størrelserne, hvis du (Esbern) er interesseret i flere meninger. :-) Der er dog ikke noget til hinder for, hvis byen kun består af residential, at knytte place tagget på sammen med landuse. Place må nemlig gerne være et area. Med et punkt som place kan man flytte lidt rundt med bynavnet hvad der kan være meget praktisk for f.eks. at angive en slags bymidte. Jeg synes ikke den automatiske navn på område-feature i de færdige kort altid virker supergodt for noget så stort som en landsby/by. Ole ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Geodata og ortofotos fra Stevns Kommune
Peter Brodersen peter@... writes: .. og nu er alle 19.024 bygninger lagt ind. Tjek fx: http://osm.org/go/0NTO at bm Megafedt. Ole ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Motorvejs-afkoersler
Martin List-Petersen martin@... writes: exit_to blev kun indørt i Josm for omkring 5 måneder siden, men name er sidenhen flittigt blev konverteret til exit_to. I USA var der snak om at convertere alle afkørslers name til exit_to i et huk i oktober. Ikke at jeg på forhånd har nogen mening om sagen, men jeg læste den wikiside du linkede til, og så vidt jeg kan se, er name til navnet på afkørslen mens exit_to er til hvor den leder hen til. Det er vel ikke nødvendigvis det samme? F.eks. ude i det landlige hvor exit_to vel typisk indeholder navnet på de største/nærmeste byer man kan komme til fra afkørslen. Jeg tænkte det er en god ide at nævne det. Navigationssoftware der bruger OSM data vil uden exit_to ellers ikke give meget mere end afkørselsnummer når man skal af et sted, medmindre softwaren bruger name taget som nødløsning. Som jeg opfatter wikisiden, skulle softwaren sige afkørsel [ref] [name] mod [exit_ti], f.eks. afkørsel 24 Øster Uttrup Vej mod centrum og Aalborg Ø. Nu vi er ved motorvejsafkørsler så har jeg rettet et par stykker hvor afkørsler/tilkørsler var sat alt for tæt på broen over i forhold til hvor de faktisk begyndte. Man kunne godt forestille sig at det kunne give problemer med en GPS der advarer om en afkørsel for sent. Det er let at se på Fugros kort, men det har nok ikke været så nemt før i tiden. Ole ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
El 23/03/11 22:08, Noel David Torres Taño escribió: Como todos recordaréis hace poco el gobierno redujo el límite de velocidad en autovías/autopistas a 110 km/h. Para ilustrar lo poco que iba a costar la medida y el ahorro que supondría nos dijeron que se iban a poner unas pegatinas de quita y pon a las *6600* señales de 120 existentes. Pues bien, mirando los datos actuales de OSM en España resulta que hay etiquetadas 4257 highway=motorway_junction. Considerando que: 1- Normalmente por cada salida suele haber una entrada y en cada incorporación suele haber una señal con el límite de velocidad a cada lado de la calzada, ya tendríamos 8514 señales. 2- Actualmente faltan mchas motorway_junction por etiquetar. 3- Además de en las incorporaciones existen otras muchas señales de 120/110 en tramos intermedios. Podemos asumir que fácilmente puede haber más de 13200 señales de 120/110, o sea el doble de lo que nos han dicho, de donde se deduce que: 1- Al menos la mitad de lo que nos dicen los políticos es mentira. 2- La medida no busca el ahorro que nos han vendido, sino un incremento de la recaudación por multas. :-) :-) :-) ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es Sólo comentar que la recaudación por multas ha bajado, así que menos demagogia Y yo voy y me lo creo. Espérate a que pase el efecto de los primeros días-semanas y ya verás si sube o si baja. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
Si realmente quisieran exprimir al personal podrían. Basta con poner los radares a 1 km/h por encima del límite, y a recaudar. Eso sin contar con las miles de infracciones menores que hoy en día se toleran (rebasar líneas de detención, aparcar donde al personal le da la gana, hacer ceda el paso en lugar de stop donde hay stops, semáforos en ámbar que se saltan...) Pero bueno, que los políticos nos mienten. ¡Qué gran primicia! Y que hay corrupción en muchos Ayuntamientos con temas urbanísticos, es otra novedad novedosa. Otras noticias hasta hoy desconocidas, el agua moja, el fuego quema, la sal está salada, y los limones son agrios. Por favor, señores, creo que aquí todo el mundo sabe ya de qué pie cojea la clase política española. -- Jonay ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
¿Nadie se ha dado cuenta que el 90% del mensaje original no es OT sino *inadecuado* en esta lista? Respecto al 10% restante, en las autovías no hay una señal de velocidad por cada incorporación. Sólo en algunas (incorporaciones). Las señales de 120/110 suelen aparecer tras una limitación anterior (ej: 90/100) y en los comienzos de las vías. Saludos, Colegota El día 24 de marzo de 2011 11:03, Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com escribió: Si realmente quisieran exprimir al personal podrían. Basta con poner los radares a 1 km/h por encima del límite, y a recaudar. Eso sin contar con las miles de infracciones menores que hoy en día se toleran (rebasar líneas de detención, aparcar donde al personal le da la gana, hacer ceda el paso en lugar de stop donde hay stops, semáforos en ámbar que se saltan...) Pero bueno, que los políticos nos mienten. ¡Qué gran primicia! Y que hay corrupción en muchos Ayuntamientos con temas urbanísticos, es otra novedad novedosa. Otras noticias hasta hoy desconocidas, el agua moja, el fuego quema, la sal está salada, y los limones son agrios. Por favor, señores, creo que aquí todo el mundo sabe ya de qué pie cojea la clase política española. -- Jonay ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
On Miércoles 23 Marzo 2011 11:22:13 Carlos Dávila escribió: 2- La medida no busca el ahorro que nos han vendido, sino un incremento de la recaudación por multas. Lo que nunca se dice... http://tinyurl.com/6fwusjq http://tinyurl.com/695ktqt http://tinyurl.com/667qtg2 http://tinyurl.com/63fohsv Tampoco se saca por la tele a las asociaciones de victimas de accidentes de tráfico, que están a favor de la medida, ni se habla de que los muertos en carretera han bajado a la mitad en los últimos 10 años, debido al endurecimiento de las penas, a las campañas de concienciación y al carnet por puntos (tanto que hemos pasado de ser uno de los paises con más donantes por 1000 habitantes a tener un déficit preocupante de donantes por los descensos de muertes en carretera) Todo lo que digo lo podéis contrastar en Internet, no os voy a matar a enlaces ;). Pero sí, como dicen por ahí, menos demagogia. Y no olvidemos que el estado recauda mucho más en impuestos al carburante que en multas de tráfico. Bajar los límites de 120 a 110 les va a hacer recaudar menos, se mire como se mire signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
El día Thursday 24 March 2011 11:32:42, Colegota El Villano dijo: Sólo en algunas (incorporaciones). Las señales de 120/110 suelen aparecer tras una limitación anterior (ej: 90/100) y en los comienzos de las vías. Oh yeah. Por mi parte: Estos números los podríamos saber, y nos podríamos ahorrar las discusiones, pero sólo si los datos estuvieran abiertos. Véase http://blog-idee.blogspot.com/2011/03/ciento-diez-kilometros-por-hora.html -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es una televisión ni un microondas: es una herramienta compleja. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
On Jueves 24 Marzo 2011 11:32:42 Colegota El Villano escribió: ¿Nadie se ha dado cuenta que el 90% del mensaje original no es OT sino *inadecuado* en esta lista? Más razón que un santo, y soy el primero en disculparme por picarme en el cacho OT Sorry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
El 24/03/11 11:32, Colegota El Villano escribió: ¿Nadie se ha dado cuenta que el 90% del mensaje original no es OT sino *inadecuado* en esta lista? A la vista de las respuestas parece claro que he metido la pata con el mensaje, mis disculpas a quien haya molestado. Sólo pretendía hacer un uso jocoso de los datos de osm. Respecto al 10% restante, en las autovías no hay una señal de velocidad por cada incorporación. Sólo en algunas (incorporaciones). Las señales de 120/110 suelen aparecer tras una limitación anterior (ej: 90/100) y en los comienzos de las vías. Pues dependerá de unas zonas a otras. Hago bastantes kilómetros al año y normalmente veo señales en cada incorporación. Como ejemplo el pasado fin de semana hice 250 km por la A-5 en cada sentido y no sólo había señales en las incorporaciones sino también otras muchas en tramos intermedios. Saludos, Colegota El día 24 de marzo de 2011 11:03, Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com escribió: Si realmente quisieran exprimir al personal podrían. Basta con poner los radares a 1 km/h por encima del límite, y a recaudar. Eso sin contar con las miles de infracciones menores que hoy en día se toleran (rebasar líneas de detención, aparcar donde al personal le da la gana, hacer ceda el paso en lugar de stop donde hay stops, semáforos en ámbar que se saltan...) Pero bueno, que los políticos nos mienten. ¡Qué gran primicia! Y que hay corrupción en muchos Ayuntamientos con temas urbanísticos, es otra novedad novedosa. Otras noticias hasta hoy desconocidas, el agua moja, el fuego quema, la sal está salada, y los limones son agrios. Por favor, señores, creo que aquí todo el mundo sabe ya de qué pie cojea la clase política española. -- Jonay ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx Instale OpenOffice desde http://es.openoffice.org/programa/index.html OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. OpenOffice está en continuo desarrollo y no tendrá que pagar por las nuevas versiones. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [OT] OSM mide cuánto mienten nuestro políticos
Tampoco pretendía demonizar a nadie. :) Solo intentar que nos nos desmadrásemos. En cuanto a las señales, yo también hago muchos kilómetros, la mayoría en la A-1 y A-2. Y echo de menos las señales de vez en cuando. Supongo que dependerá de lo que hayan hecho en cada sitio. Me compré un navegador GPS hace unos años entre otras cosas para saber la velocidad a la que podía ir en cada tramo por esa ausencia de sñales. Y la decepción de los datos privativos fue enorme al comprobar que no sólo fallaba en las secundarias sino que en las autovías también estaba desfasada o equivocada. Más razón que un santo el autor del artículo que enlaza Iván. ;) Al final todo es tan sencillo como que se liberen los datos públicos. Alguien los aprovechará. Saludos, Colegota El día 24 de marzo de 2011 12:11, Carlos Dávila cdavi...@orangecorreo.es escribió: El 24/03/11 11:32, Colegota El Villano escribió: ¿Nadie se ha dado cuenta que el 90% del mensaje original no es OT sino *inadecuado* en esta lista? A la vista de las respuestas parece claro que he metido la pata con el mensaje, mis disculpas a quien haya molestado. Sólo pretendía hacer un uso jocoso de los datos de osm. Respecto al 10% restante, en las autovías no hay una señal de velocidad por cada incorporación. Sólo en algunas (incorporaciones). Las señales de 120/110 suelen aparecer tras una limitación anterior (ej: 90/100) y en los comienzos de las vías. Pues dependerá de unas zonas a otras. Hago bastantes kilómetros al año y normalmente veo señales en cada incorporación. Como ejemplo el pasado fin de semana hice 250 km por la A-5 en cada sentido y no sólo había señales en las incorporaciones sino también otras muchas en tramos intermedios. Saludos, Colegota El día 24 de marzo de 2011 11:03, Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com escribió: Si realmente quisieran exprimir al personal podrían. Basta con poner los radares a 1 km/h por encima del límite, y a recaudar. Eso sin contar con las miles de infracciones menores que hoy en día se toleran (rebasar líneas de detención, aparcar donde al personal le da la gana, hacer ceda el paso en lugar de stop donde hay stops, semáforos en ámbar que se saltan...) Pero bueno, que los políticos nos mienten. ¡Qué gran primicia! Y que hay corrupción en muchos Ayuntamientos con temas urbanísticos, es otra novedad novedosa. Otras noticias hasta hoy desconocidas, el agua moja, el fuego quema, la sal está salada, y los limones son agrios. Por favor, señores, creo que aquí todo el mundo sabe ya de qué pie cojea la clase política española. -- Jonay ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx Instale OpenOffice desde http://es.openoffice.org/programa/index.html OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. OpenOffice está en continuo desarrollo y no tendrá que pagar por las nuevas versiones. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] Linz: Auftaktveranstaltung Open Commons Region
Auftaktveranstaltung Open Commons Region Linz Montag, 11. April 2011, 18:30 Uhr Wissensturm, 1. OG, Linz Zur Info Hannes ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Linz: Auftaktveranstaltung Open Commons Region
Mehr Details - Einladung zur Auftaktveranstaltung Open Commons Region Linz Montag, 11. April 2011, 18:30 Uhr Wissensturm, 1. Obergeschoss Programm Begrüßung: StRin Mag.a Eva Schobesberger StR Johann Mayr Referate: „Einsatz von Creative Commons in Produkt- und Grafikdesign“ Gerin Trautenberger, Realisator, microgiants „Open Source in der Wirtschaft und Industrie - Wie kann Open Source einen Wirtschaftsfaktor darstellen?“ Nikolaus Dürk, Roland Lehner, Geschäftsführer, X-Net „Was kann Open Commons für die Region Linz bedeuten“ Gerald Kempinger, Geschäftsführer, IKT Linz Stefan Pawel, Projektleiter, Open Commons Region Linz Open Commons Region Linz Mit Einrichtungen und Initiativen wie AEC, Hotspots, Public Space Server und Klickservice übernimmt die Stadt Linz seit einigen Jahren eine Vorreiterrolle im technologischen Bereich. Die vernetzte Informationsgesellschaft braucht freie Software, freie Daten, freies Wissen und freie Kulturgüter, um Werke schaffen zu können, die dem Gemeinwohl dienen und ohne öko- nomische und rechtliche Barrieren für alle nutzbar sind. In Linz soll ein offenes und kreatives Klima im Sinne des Open Commons Gedanken geschaffen werden, das einen gesellschaftlichen und wirtschaftlichen Fortschritt ermöglicht. Es wird um Voranmeldung mittels E-Mail open.comm...@linz.at oder Telefon (0732) 7070/4711 gebeten. ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-ca] Woods along Canvec Borders
Bonjour Adam, You have just learn what is an edgematch problem! This problem of mismatched lines/polygons at the edge of NTS mapsheets is usually caused by a difference in imagery/photography acquisition dates. Each year, we were contracting out imagery/photography acquisition over areas convering many NTS mapsheets. The problem arise at the edge of two areas when many years passed between each contract. Things are changing over time out there !-) Daniel -Original Message- From: Adam Dunn [mailto:dunna...@gmail.com] Sent: March 18, 2011 14:19 To: Bégin, Daniel Subject: Woods along Canvec Borders When importing Canvec data within a single NTS tile (092H05.x.x), the border between sub-tiles lines up and matches very well. It's a simple task to merge nodes along the border and join ways/areas if necessary. Doing a border between NTS tiles (092Hx) doesn't tend to work out as well. Sometimes it seems to be okay, but sometimes it looks like there's a serious mismatch. In attached screenshot, you can see how natural=wood appears to mismatch from 092H05.3.3 (left of screen) to 092H06.0.0 (right). I don't think it's a bug in how JOSM drawing fills polygons either. Both of those tiles are Canvec 7, downloaded within the past month. Ideas? Adam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Woods along Canvec Borders
Hi Daniel Cool thanks, this also helps This could also explain for some of 'holes' that were seeing on CommonMap http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=49.7172lon=-121.122zoom=12layers=BFTF http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=49.7172lon=-121.122zoom=12layers=BFTFas it could be the actual data it's self, taken from a different year over year along nts tiles This data does origionate from GeoBase http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/landcover/csc2000v/description.html So for the new version of CanVec, will the map features it be directly derrived from this LandCover data? If so, we (Primarly just Brendan) has done the osm-tag matching https://github.com/morb-au/CommonMap-importers---experimental/blob/master/schema/ca.lc/ca.lc.schema.pl If needed, I can convert this into a 'proper' spreadsheet showing each of the osm-tags. I'm currently going through all of these tags again, and matching it up with the existing canvec features, (as well as Natural Earth, GeoBase NHN and GeoBase NRN) for the Formal 'CommonMap Feature catelogue' Let me know if their is interest in this, and i can speed up the process :-) Cheers, Sam On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Bégin, Daniel daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca wrote: Bonjour Adam, You have just learn what is an edgematch problem! This problem of mismatched lines/polygons at the edge of NTS mapsheets is usually caused by a difference in imagery/photography acquisition dates. Each year, we were contracting out imagery/photography acquisition over areas convering many NTS mapsheets. The problem arise at the edge of two areas when many years passed between each contract. Things are changing over time out there !-) Daniel -Original Message- From: Adam Dunn [mailto:dunna...@gmail.com] Sent: March 18, 2011 14:19 To: Bégin, Daniel Subject: Woods along Canvec Borders When importing Canvec data within a single NTS tile (092H05.x.x), the border between sub-tiles lines up and matches very well. It's a simple task to merge nodes along the border and join ways/areas if necessary. Doing a border between NTS tiles (092Hx) doesn't tend to work out as well. Sometimes it seems to be okay, but sometimes it looks like there's a serious mismatch. In attached screenshot, you can see how natural=wood appears to mismatch from 092H05.3.3 (left of screen) to 092H06.0.0 (right). I don't think it's a bug in how JOSM drawing fills polygons either. Both of those tiles are Canvec 7, downloaded within the past month. Ideas? Adam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] toky uvnitř ploch podruhé - riverbank
Dne 14.3.2011 11:40, Karel Volný napsal(a): čest práci, zkoušel jsem si včera dokreslit do mapy nějaké jezy ... při té příležitosti jsem potřeboval rozšířit řeku aby to reflektovalo vzdutí nad jezem a tedy šířku jezu, takže jsem okolo dokreslil plochy waterway=riverbank - postupoval jsem v souladu s http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank#How_to_Map no a zjistil jsem, že v tomto případě vodní plocha taky nepřekrývá (nenahrazuje) čáru toku ... to je záměr nebo také chyba? IMO jenodznacne chyba renederu - resit to, jak to vypada kdyz je tam malo vody, tak by sme taky mohli resit, jak to vypada kdyz je tam hodne vody = trebas komplet Lovosice a okoli pekne zamodrit, v Praglu dat vodu az na spodek Vaclavaku … Pokud ma reka riverbank, tak se jedna o normalni stav a pak je vlastni cesta reky jen informace pro navigaci (a vetsinou vede prostredkem), pripadne pro nejaky automatizovany analizovani … Nejsem v principu proti tomu do mapy dat trebas hranice stolety vody, ale je proste blbost tohle renederovat na bezny mape. Tohle patri na overlay nebo specializovanou mapu. - podle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank#Varying_water_level_river bych usuzoval spíše na záměr, ukázat kudy voda teče, když je jí málo jenže nad těmi jezy je to nadržené pořád, i za sucha - ale stále je to jenom koryto řeky, ne přehrada, takže tagovat jako nádrž je nesmysl co s tím? - tagovat ten kus toku jako skrytý, jestli se v původním threadu dohodnete a protlačíte řešení underwater_...? a tak naokraj, není možnost nějakého jemnějšího dělení než dle stávajících pokynů stream a river, a pro river nad 12 m šířky kreslit riverbank? - vím, že se dá přidat width, ale jde mi spíše o logickou reprezentaci, aby třeba malá říčka, která je brána ještě za potok a ne za řeku, nebyla u svého ústí, po pobrání všech potoků z okolí, stále na stejné úrovni, jako každý malý pramínek, co se do ní vlévá ... ona ta šířka je dosti ošidná, když approximate average width záleží spíše na tom, jestli to teče rychle nebo se rozlévá do šířky, a ne kolik to má vody, a taky v suchém létě bude vypadat jinak než za jarního tání, přitom logická struktura je zachována, že za různých stavů je to větší než přítoky a menší než do čeho se to vlévá ... K. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] toky uvnitř ploch podruhé - riverbank
Rozdíl mezi jezem a přehradou je v tom, že jez pouze zvedne hladinu vody, ta přetýká přes horní okraj jezu, ale nezabraňuje v jejím průtoku. Řeka teče stále stejně, jen před jezem pomalu. Oproti tomu přehrada většinou přehradí tok celý a odtok je řízený nějakou výpustí (klidně na dně přehrady), přepad je většinou jen bezpečnostní. To samé je u rybníků. Takže u jezu je to stále řeka, vodní tok. Renderer tohle ví (nebo má vědět) a riverbank je pak jen okraj řeky a samotná řeka se uprostřed nekreslí (nebo prostě splyne), ale název se kreslí. Apropó - jak to tedy bude s tím označením toků v nádržích? Navrhneme nějaký tag? Budeme hlasovat? Nebo to prostě dáme do proposed features a uvidí se, jak to dopadne? On 14.3.2011 11:40, Karel Volný wrote: čest práci, zkoušel jsem si včera dokreslit do mapy nějaké jezy ... při té příležitosti jsem potřeboval rozšířit řeku aby to reflektovalo vzdutí nad jezem a tedy šířku jezu, takže jsem okolo dokreslil plochy waterway=riverbank - postupoval jsem v souladu s http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank#How_to_Map no a zjistil jsem, že v tomto případě vodní plocha taky nepřekrývá (nenahrazuje) čáru toku ... to je záměr nebo také chyba? - podle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank#Varying_water_level_river bych usuzoval spíše na záměr, ukázat kudy voda teče, když je jí málo jenže nad těmi jezy je to nadržené pořád, i za sucha - ale stále je to jenom koryto řeky, ne přehrada, takže tagovat jako nádrž je nesmysl co s tím? - tagovat ten kus toku jako skrytý, jestli se v původním threadu dohodnete a protlačíte řešení underwater_...? a tak naokraj, není možnost nějakého jemnějšího dělení než dle stávajících pokynů stream a river, a pro river nad 12 m šířky kreslit riverbank? - vím, že se dá přidat width, ale jde mi spíše o logickou reprezentaci, aby třeba malá říčka, která je brána ještě za potok a ne za řeku, nebyla u svého ústí, po pobrání všech potoků z okolí, stále na stejné úrovni, jako každý malý pramínek, co se do ní vlévá ... ona ta šířka je dosti ošidná, když approximate average width záleží spíše na tom, jestli to teče rychle nebo se rozlévá do šířky, a ne kolik to má vody, a taky v suchém létě bude vypadat jinak než za jarního tání, přitom logická struktura je zachována, že za různých stavů je to větší než přítoky a menší než do čeho se to vlévá ... K. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
Bonjour et merci pour ce nouveau service que je découvre. J'en rêvais!!! Merci!!! Openrunner est battu... Restera plus qu'à pouvoir intégrer le dénivelé et ce sera vraiment le top. Ce serait bien aussi d'avoir un bouton pour imprimer proprement les itinéraires. C'est jouable? Romain Le 23 mars 2011 18:41, arno a...@renevier.net a écrit : salut :) Je viens de mettre en ligne une nouvelle version de Show Your Journey. Pour ceux qui ne connaissent pas, il s'agit d'un site qui permet de mettre en ligne et partager des itinéraires. Exemples: http://osm-syj.crans.org/idx/723 http://syj.renevier.net/idx/857 Il y a plusieurs améliorations mineures et corrections de bugs (et même probablement quelques ajouts de bugs!) Mais la chose la plus visible, c'est la possibilité d'uploader un chemin (kml, gpx, geojson). C'est une fonctionnalité qui ne m'est personnellement pas utiles, mais qui était demandée par pas mal de monde. Donc voila, c'est fait. Le truc, c'est que moi, j'avais assez peu de fichiers pour tester, donc si jamais il y a des fichiers que vous n'arrivez pas à uploader, n'hésitez pas à m'en envoyer une copie pour que je corrige. Sinon, le site a changé d'url: http://syj.renevier.net/ l'ancienne url est toujours accessible. Prochainement, l'ancienne url sera redirigé sur la nouvelle. C'est à dire qu'elle fonctionnera toujours, mais c'est quand même mieux de mettre à jour vos marque-pages dès maintenant. Voila. Comme d'hab, je suis ouvert à toutes remarques et critiques sur le site. a+ arno ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011, à 11:09:49 +0100, Romain a écrit : Bonjour et merci pour ce nouveau service que je découvre. J'en rêvais!!! Merci!!! Openrunner est battu... merci :) Restera plus qu'à pouvoir intégrer le dénivelé et ce sera vraiment le top. C'est effectivement quelque chose que j'aimerais bien faire. Mais je ne peux pas donner pour l'instant. Ce serait bien aussi d'avoir un bouton pour imprimer proprement les itinéraires. C'est jouable? L'impression n'est pas correcte ? ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011, à 11:20:13 +0100, Discussions a écrit : Ce serait bien aussi d'avoir un bouton pour imprimer proprement les itinéraires. C'est jouable? L'impression n'est pas correcte ? oups, j'ai posté trop vite, pendant que j'étais en train de vérifier l'impression. Effectivement, l'impression laisse a désirer, je vais voir si je peux améliorer ça. a+ arno ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
J'ai une autre question: quand par mégarde on ajoute un point qui ne convient pas, existe-t-il une possibilité soit de revenir en arrière sur sa dernière action soit de la supprimer? Merci. Romain Le 24 mars 2011 11:21, arno a...@renevier.net a écrit : Le jeudi 24 mars 2011, à 11:20:13 +0100, Discussions a écrit : Ce serait bien aussi d'avoir un bouton pour imprimer proprement les itinéraires. C'est jouable? L'impression n'est pas correcte ? oups, j'ai posté trop vite, pendant que j'étais en train de vérifier l'impression. Effectivement, l'impression laisse a désirer, je vais voir si je peux améliorer ça. a+ arno ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011, à 11:50:02 +0100, Romain a écrit : J'ai une autre question: quand par mégarde on ajoute un point qui ne convient pas, existe-t-il une possibilité soit de revenir en arrière sur sa dernière action soit de la supprimer? En appuyant sur la touche shift, on peut ensuite supprimer des points. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
Oups je suis allé trop vite. C'est écrit dans la FAQ. Le 24 mars 2011 11:54, arno a...@renevier.net a écrit : Le jeudi 24 mars 2011, à 11:50:02 +0100, Romain a écrit : J'ai une autre question: quand par mégarde on ajoute un point qui ne convient pas, existe-t-il une possibilité soit de revenir en arrière sur sa dernière action soit de la supprimer? En appuyant sur la touche shift, on peut ensuite supprimer des points. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] nouvelle version de Show Your Journey
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011, à 11:20:13 +0100, Discussions a écrit : Ce serait bien aussi d'avoir un bouton pour imprimer proprement les itinéraires. C'est jouable? bon, le seul navigateur pour lequel j'ai reçu à avoir une impression correcte, c'est firefox4. Pour tous les autres, il faut mettre manuellement en mode paysage sinon c'est trop moche. Puis dans opera, ça ne marche pas du tout. Bon, on va dire que c'est déjà ça. La modif sera mise en ligne prochainement. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Panneau d'affichage
Bonsoir, je cherche le moyen de décrire les panneaux d'affichage. Type de support (bois, métal pour prévoir les moyens d'accrochage : ruban adhésif, punaises ou agrafes) Type d'autorisation (libre, mairie) L'idée est d'ensuite afficher ces informations sur une carte afin d'aider les associations qui souhaitent informer d'un spectacle pour qu'elle sache combien prévoir d'affiches, où les placer et quels types d'accrochage. (Je ne sais pas non plus comment on fait pour faire apparaître ses informations sur une carte) Merci Marc Bricard ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneau d'affichage
Le 24/03/2011 20:52, ratanes a écrit : Bonsoir, je cherche le moyen de décrire les panneaux d'affichage. Type de support (bois, métal pour prévoir les moyens d'accrochage : ruban adhésif, punaises ou agrafes) Type d'autorisation (libre, mairie) L'idée est d'ensuite afficher ces informations sur une carte afin d'aider les associations qui souhaitent informer d'un spectacle pour qu'elle sache combien prévoir d'affiches, où les placer et quels types d'accrochage. (Je ne sais pas non plus comment on fait pour faire apparaître ses informations sur une carte) Merci Marc Bricard ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr Bonjour, Utilises OpenLayers avec la carto d'OSM et les localisations des panneaux en surimpression. Rien n'est prévu pour les panneaux d'information (autre que l'information routière et touristique). S'il n'existe pas de tag, ça n'a rien à faire dans OSM. Pourquoi pas les sex-shops ou les panneaux publicitaires ? Ah ! on me dit qu'il existe un tag pour les sex-shops ;-) Sinon tu peux faire une proposition de tag et une proposition de correctif de l'outil de rendu pour faire apparaitre ces nouveaux éléments. Bonne chance. -- Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneau d'affichage
je cherche le moyen de décrire les panneaux d'affichage. pour les panneaux d'affichages officiels http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:information pour les panneau de jalonnement http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Relation:destination_sign (Je ne sais pas non plus comment on fait pour faire apparaître ses informations sur une carte) google maps permet de le faire facilement ou http://openlayers.org/QuickTutorial/ - - - - didier + mapeur amateur + ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneau d'affichage
On 24. 03. 11 21:33, Marc Sibert wrote: Le 24/03/2011 20:52, ratanes a écrit : Bonsoir, je cherche le moyen de décrire les panneaux d'affichage. Type de support (bois, métal pour prévoir les moyens d'accrochage : ruban adhésif, punaises ou agrafes) Type d'autorisation (libre, mairie) L'idée est d'ensuite afficher ces informations sur une carte afin d'aider les associations qui souhaitent informer d'un spectacle pour qu'elle sache combien prévoir d'affiches, où les placer et quels types d'accrochage. (Je ne sais pas non plus comment on fait pour faire apparaître ses informations sur une carte) Merci Marc Bricard ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr Bonjour, Utilises OpenLayers avec la carto d'OSM et les localisations des panneaux en surimpression. Rien n'est prévu pour les panneaux d'information (autre que l'information routière et touristique). S'il n'existe pas de tag, ça n'a rien à faire dans OSM. Pourquoi pas les sex-shops ou les panneaux publicitaires ? Ah ! on me dit qu'il existe un tag pour les sex-shops ;-) Sinon tu peux faire une proposition de tag et une proposition de correctif de l'outil de rendu pour faire apparaitre ces nouveaux éléments. Bonne chance. Enfin Marc, pourquoi être si catégorique? OpenStreetMap n'a aucune restriction de contenu sur les tags. Et avec un peu de travail, on peut faire apparaitre sur une carte n'importe quel tag sur une carte soi-même, même si le commun des mortels n'est pas intéressé par ce tag. Elle est pas chouette celle-là: http://brewpubs.openstreetmap.de/ ? Yves http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Water makes money
2011/3/23 Pierre-André Le Ny leny...@gmail.com Bonjour à tous, http://open.mapquest.com/ La version qui utilise OSM. A peu de chose près, la version open est le même code que le site principal (www.mapquest.com). Il ne faut surtout pas aller sur www.mapquest.fr tant c'est effrayant. (note, Mapquest est mon employeur). Il existe maintenant un truc qui s'appelle mapbuilder qui permet de creer des pages images statiques (du mashup) sur la version open: http://open.mapquest.fr/tools/mapbuilder (a noter que l'interface n'est pas encore traduire en français). C'est assez sympa et bien sur basé sur OSM. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Water makes money
2011/3/24 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com 2011/3/23 Pierre-André Le Ny leny...@gmail.com Bonjour à tous, http://open.mapquest.com/ La version qui utilise OSM. A peu de chose près, la version open est le même code que le site principal (www.mapquest.com). Le peu de choses est justement la demande particulière : l'utilisation de données OSM. Mais c'est intéressant de voir que ce site arrive à mélanger des sources de données propriétaires et opensources avec la meme UI. Il ne faut surtout pas aller sur www.mapquest.fr tant c'est effrayant. (note, Mapquest est mon employeur). Tu bosses sur la partie open chez Mapquest ? Je demande car dernièrement je bossais sur l'intégration des cartes Mapquest dans une application Android et mes contacts Mapquest n'étaient pas de grande aide non, pas de sdk android, iphone, phone 7, blackberry, débrouillez-vous avec les cartes statiques ou la librairie javascript. Et finalement un ah oui on a aussi des cartes open si ca vous arrange. Je n'avais pas attendu cette réponse et avait déjà poussé pour utiliser les cartes open car plus facile à intégrer, surtout avec une librairie Android existante compatible avec ce format (osmdroid). Et depuis ils ont sorti une application Android, on pourrait peut-être espérer un sdk un de ces jours... Julien ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
[OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
各位 奈良大学の田村です。 続けてすみません。 sourceタグについてですが、 source:jaを「電子国土」 source:refを「http://portal.cyberjapan.jp/index.html」 と先ほどの、sourceの「cyberjapan」 が考えられると思うのですが如何でしょうか? また、電子国土の利用規約についてです。 http://portal.cyberjapan.jp/kiyaku.html ご検討のほどよろしくお願いします。 On 2011/03/24, at 16:30, 田村 賢哉 wrote: 各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
東です。 許可を得ているのであれば、電子国土からの位置参照は問題無いと思います。 タグは田村さん案でokだとおもいますが、セミコロンで ;Miyagi pref のように複数ソースを併記してください。 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
歩きながらなので言い忘れました。 おー50人のパワーはすごい! 田村さん、よろしくお願いします。 11/03/24 S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp: 東です。 許可を得ているのであれば、電子国土からの位置参照は問題無いと思います。 タグは田村さん案でokだとおもいますが、セミコロンで ;Miyagi pref のように複数ソースを併記してください。 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
東さん、各位 奈良大学の田村です。 ありがとうございます。 ただ、できるだけOSM,国土数値情報から 探すようにします。 大変な作業をして作り上げるのがOSMの特徴だと考えるので、 sourceタグをつけなくても済む方法を精一杯考えてやってみたいと思います。 なので、最終的な砦としてと捉えて頂ければと思います。 とりいそぎまで On 2011/03/24, at 17:35, S.Higashi wrote: 歩きながらなので言い忘れました。 おー50人のパワーはすごい! 田村さん、よろしくお願いします。 11/03/24 S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp: 東です。 許可を得ているのであれば、電子国土からの位置参照は問題無いと思います。 タグは田村さん案でokだとおもいますが、セミコロンで ;Miyagi pref のように複数ソースを併記してください。 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
田村さん あと震災用POIマップで http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=2000 避難所(hot_camp_site)、学校(hot_school)、公共施設(hot_public_building) などをオン/オフしながら、まだ避難所マークがついていないものを 探すのも手助けになるかもしれません。 ただ、データ更新にはタイムラグがあるのでご注意ください。 #POIの名前は、ただいま、日本語化+原発追加をお願い中 東 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 東さん、各位 奈良大学の田村です。 ありがとうございます。 ただ、できるだけOSM,国土数値情報から 探すようにします。 大変な作業をして作り上げるのがOSMの特徴だと考えるので、 sourceタグをつけなくても済む方法を精一杯考えてやってみたいと思います。 なので、最終的な砦としてと捉えて頂ければと思います。 とりいそぎまで On 2011/03/24, at 17:35, S.Higashi wrote: 歩きながらなので言い忘れました。 おー50人のパワーはすごい! 田村さん、よろしくお願いします。 11/03/24 S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp: 東です。 許可を得ているのであれば、電子国土からの位置参照は問題無いと思います。 タグは田村さん案でokだとおもいますが、セミコロンで ;Miyagi pref のように複数ソースを併記してください。 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 電子国土の位置参照について
東さん 田村です。 ありがとうございます。 助かります。 明日までに宮城県が終わらせればと思います。 On 2011/03/24, at 19:43, S.Higashi wrote: 田村さん あと震災用POIマップで http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=2000 避難所(hot_camp_site)、学校(hot_school)、公共施設(hot_public_building) などをオン/オフしながら、まだ避難所マークがついていないものを 探すのも手助けになるかもしれません。 ただ、データ更新にはタイムラグがあるのでご注意ください。 #POIの名前は、ただいま、日本語化+原発追加をお願い中 東 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 東さん、各位 奈良大学の田村です。 ありがとうございます。 ただ、できるだけOSM,国土数値情報から 探すようにします。 大変な作業をして作り上げるのがOSMの特徴だと考えるので、 sourceタグをつけなくても済む方法を精一杯考えてやってみたいと思います。 なので、最終的な砦としてと捉えて頂ければと思います。 とりいそぎまで On 2011/03/24, at 17:35, S.Higashi wrote: 歩きながらなので言い忘れました。 おー50人のパワーはすごい! 田村さん、よろしくお願いします。 11/03/24 S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp: 東です。 許可を得ているのであれば、電子国土からの位置参照は問題無いと思います。 タグは田村さん案でokだとおもいますが、セミコロンで ;Miyagi pref のように複数ソースを併記してください。 11/03/24 田村 賢哉 erdkunde.1...@gmail.com: 各位 奈良大学の田村です。 (碓井先生と連名) 今回は奈良大学でおこなわれる作業と、 電子国土の取り扱いについてご連絡しました。 いま奈良大地理学科ではトレース作業を50人規模かつ、 最低10人でのリアルタイムマッピングを計画しています。 常に地図情報の更新ができればと思います。 奈良大のマンパワーを活用してください。 これは奈良大学の学術ボランティアとして社会的還元の位置づけであり、 教育システムとして取り組もうと考えています。 責任者は碓井先生 窓口は田村となっています。 今日はその初日で、講習日として、清野さんにお越し頂きました。 現在、避難場所等一覧の入力を一斉に行っています。 ただ、避難場所 https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/osmf.jp/ccc?hl=jahl=jakey=thhnpOMZyv2v8AMIPVJC_uAauthkey=CP-2sXI#gid=0 この場所をOSMから探す作業で、かなりの手間と時間がかかります。 そこで、碓井先生から電子国土ポータルで位置参照を行ってはどうかという提案がありました。 ここではあくまで位置参照だけであり、あくまでスプレッドシートにxy座標を書き入れるだけです。 なので、電子国土を利用して、トレース作業を行うわけではありません。 避難場所を探すのみでも難しいので、コミュニティとして使用許可を頂ければと思います。 電子国土の方には位置参照についての許可を頂きました。 もし、大丈夫だとしたらsourceタグを「cyberjapan」にしては如何でしょうか? ご検討よろしくお願いします。 == 氏名:田村 賢哉(Kenya Tamura) 所属:奈良大学文学部地理学科 研究室:碓井・堀・海津 研究室ホームページ:http://www.usui-gisroom.com/wordpress/ 連絡先:〒631-8502 奈良市山陵町1500 携帯電話:090-6063-6784 携帯メール:d27c8e5878...@softbank.ne.jp PCメール:erdkunde.1...@gmail.com Skype名:k.tamura1989 twitter: Kenyat1989 == ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 避難場所等一覧
東様、皆様 山下です。こんばんわ。 In message aanlktikqxefksjkfvjyhnx5qg0su+tus26ixsqpei...@mail.gmail.com S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp writes リスト整備、了解! よろしくお願いします。 山下さん: 市町村機能回復に伴い、宮城県では避難所の管理、公表が市町村に移管されています。許諾権打診はそちらも含めて頂けると助かります。 了解しました。 リスト整備に追い付かれないよう、 あちらこちらに打診します。 進展があれば、また報告させていただきます。 -- 山下康成@京都府向日市 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 避難場所等一覧
山下さん 引き続きよろしくお願いします。 東 11/03/24 yasun...@yamasita.jp yasun...@yamasita.jp: 東様、皆様 山下です。こんばんわ。 In message aanlktikqxefksjkfvjyhnx5qg0su+tus26ixsqpei...@mail.gmail.com S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp writes リスト整備、了解! よろしくお願いします。 山下さん: 市町村機能回復に伴い、宮城県では避難所の管理、公表が市町村に移管されています。許諾権打診はそちらも含めて頂けると助かります。 了解しました。 リスト整備に追い付かれないよう、 あちらこちらに打診します。 進展があれば、また報告させていただきます。 -- 山下康成@京都府向日市 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 震災マッピング情報のまとめ
ikiyaです。 マッピング情報のまとめありがとうございます。 マッピングエリアについてです。 沿岸部の被災地域追加しようと思います。 また、インフラ、ライフラインに大きな被害があったり 避難者、人の動きが多い内陸の市町村も 追加してよいでしょうか。 盛岡、仙台、福島、郡山、須賀川などです。 --- S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp wrote: 東です。 マッピングを優先するエリアと使えるリソースの整理を再開しましたので よろしければマッピングの参考にお使いください。 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/Mapping_coordination_and_data_sources#.E3.83.9E.E3.83.83.E3.83.94.E3.83.B3.E3.82.B0.E3.81.99.E3.81.B9.E3.81.8D.E3.82.A8.E3.83.AA.E3.82.A2 マッピングに有用な情報をお持ちの方がおられましたら追記していただくか またはこのスレッドにて教えてください。 よろしくお願いします。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 震災マッピング情報のまとめ
是非、追加よろしくお願いします。 東 11/03/24 ikiya insidekiwi...@yahoo.co.jp: ikiyaです。 マッピング情報のまとめありがとうございます。 マッピングエリアについてです。 沿岸部の被災地域追加しようと思います。 また、インフラ、ライフラインに大きな被害があったり 避難者、人の動きが多い内陸の市町村も 追加してよいでしょうか。 盛岡、仙台、福島、郡山、須賀川などです。 --- S.Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp wrote: 東です。 マッピングを優先するエリアと使えるリソースの整理を再開しましたので よろしければマッピングの参考にお使いください。 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/Mapping_coordination_and_data_sources#.E3.83.9E.E3.83.83.E3.83.94.E3.83.B3.E3.82.B0.E3.81.99.E3.81.B9.E3.81.8D.E3.82.A8.E3.83.AA.E3.82.A2 マッピングに有用な情報をお持ちの方がおられましたら追記していただくか またはこのスレッドにて教えてください。 よろしくお願いします。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja