[Talk-hr] lijenost i ODBL licence
Priznajem lijen sam i zbog toga mi se nije dalo precrtavati sve ponovo zbog onih koji nisu prihvatili novu odbl licencu, lakše mi je bilo poslati par emailova i eto, malo po malo dosta ih se javilo i prihvatilo novu licencu. Ako je meni uspjelo uz minimalan trud slanja par istih poruka par ljudi, vjerujem da bi i drugi mogli dobiti slične rezultate na svome području, znam da su neki već to radili, ova poruka je za one koji nisu. I neće vam svi pozitivno odgovoriti, ali to nije ni bitno, treba doći od onih uspavanih koji su radili prije a sada duže vrijeme nisu bili na osm-u da prihvate licencu kako se ne bi trebalo precrtavati i brisati. Ugodan dan vam želim, Valent. -- follow me - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, wireless, scuba, linuxmce smart home, zwave ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[Talk-hr] slaganje podloge balonom
Ako ima zainteresiranih za ideju, naletih pa mozda je interesantno: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1775485688/balloon-mapping-kits?ref=category -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] slaganje podloge balonom
2012/1/19 Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr: Ako ima zainteresiranih za ideju, naletih pa mozda je interesantno: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1775485688/balloon-mapping-kits?ref=category Zakon! Jedini im fali neki žiroskopski nosač ako sam dobro vidio... Evo i par mojih linkova na sličnu temu snimanja iz zraka: Kite Aerial Photography: http://scotthaefner.com/kap/ Vol. 01: Kite Aerial Photography Puts Your Eye in the Sky - http://makezine.com/01/KAP/ i par videa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqFA9Mvq5M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEprozoxnLY follow me - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, wireless, scuba, linuxmce smart home, zwave ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] lijenost i ODBL licence
Ostavit ću autora anonimnim (osim ako se ne želi sam predstaviti) pa proslijediti da ima i ovakvih poruka: Dakle kada kroz JOSM pokušavam u bazu snimiti promjene, dobijam grešku s objašnjenjem da samo pod novim uvijetima smijem snimati podatke. Nego, vidim da je dosta aktivno precrtavanje starih podataka, dakle ne zamjena starih novim, već precrtavanje starih i zamjena starih podataka precrtanima. Mene veseli vidjeti da postoji napor da se stari podaci spase od prijetnje brisanja, ali takav postupak nije rješenje. Taj postupak stvara privid da starih podataka više nema, da postoje samo novi koji više nemaju obavezu nošenja Creative Commons licence, i ujedno nestaje trag originalnog autora. No to nije tako. Podatak nastao preradom (adaptation) starog podatka i dalje nosi sve svoje licencne obaveze, uključujući obavezu priznanja autorstva prethodnog podatka. To nije dobro. Niti za OSM, jer počinje živiti u iluziji da su mu podaci čisti ODbL - a kasnije bi mu se mogao desiti pravni spor, a niti za zajednicu, jer se više ne vidi trud stvarnih doprinositelja, već se trud i autorstvo iskazuje precrtavačima. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] lijenost i ODBL licence
Pošalji mu slijedeći link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping Naime precrtava se tamo gdje ima Binga ili gps-tragova, znači sa tim podacima, ne preko starih podataka. Naravno, moguće je da je netko napravio grešku i precrtao preko podatka kod kojeg nema druge pozadine, ali onda je na originalnom autoru da nađe taj slučaj, i takav podatak će se odmah obrisati. Janko 2012/1/19 valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com Ostavit ću autora anonimnim (osim ako se ne želi sam predstaviti) pa proslijediti da ima i ovakvih poruka: Dakle kada kroz JOSM pokušavam u bazu snimiti promjene, dobijam grešku s objašnjenjem da samo pod novim uvijetima smijem snimati podatke. Nego, vidim da je dosta aktivno precrtavanje starih podataka, dakle ne zamjena starih novim, već precrtavanje starih i zamjena starih podataka precrtanima. Mene veseli vidjeti da postoji napor da se stari podaci spase od prijetnje brisanja, ali takav postupak nije rješenje. Taj postupak stvara privid da starih podataka više nema, da postoje samo novi koji više nemaju obavezu nošenja Creative Commons licence, i ujedno nestaje trag originalnog autora. No to nije tako. Podatak nastao preradom (adaptation) starog podatka i dalje nosi sve svoje licencne obaveze, uključujući obavezu priznanja autorstva prethodnog podatka. To nije dobro. Niti za OSM, jer počinje živiti u iluziji da su mu podaci čisti ODbL - a kasnije bi mu se mogao desiti pravni spor, a niti za zajednicu, jer se više ne vidi trud stvarnih doprinositelja, već se trud i autorstvo iskazuje precrtavačima. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [talk-ph] Costa Concordia on OSM
+1 on the slogan. :) On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Thursday, 19 January, 2012 10:29 PM: Well, somebody thought that the ship would remain it its half-sunk state for quite some time and thus mapped it on OpenStreetMap: http://osm.org/go/xXqwIFro Reminds me of an old military saying: If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, paint it white. Only in this context it should be: If it doesn't move, map it! Maybe an OSM Tshirt slogan. :-) Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Several portions of Makati now under Taguig's jurisdiction - what to do next?
Hi Ian, it's not yet over. the SC's decision may flip-flop again :P hmm...which barangay is Kalayaan avenue located? My concern is mostly on the number coding. Kalayaan avenue from EDSA up to BGC is Makati where there's no number coding window. Taguig has no number coding except EDSA and C5. I think I need to update my personal map of number-coding free roads :P IIRC, there's also a request or case of pateros to re-acquire lost territories from makati, some of those given to Taguig but that's another story lastly, residents of those affected barangays like students of UMak may have to pay tuition, the sick have to look for another hospital besides OsMak. Senior citizens will miss free movie screenings and birthday cakes from Binay ;P On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=65articleId=768709 Question: should we modify the administrative boundaries or wait for Makati's reaction/next move? Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. - Blog: http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/ OpenStreetMap/Twitter: ianlopez1115 Facebook: ian.lopez ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com I don't need a map! I have the GPS. Never need a map again, thank you - Car lost on Route 66, Radiator Springs (Cars) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7
Op 19/01/2012 3:29, talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org schreef: Ik heb hem een boodschap gestuurd met het voorstel om een samen te zitten en hem wat bijkomende uitleg te geven. Jo Hallo Jo, ik ben Dirk Roels (AKA Koalake). Ik ben (in het begin bij m'n ontdekking van OSM) nogal actief geweest in Schilde (kreeg geen opmerkingen betreffende fouten of zo) Moest je een afspraak maken met die onbekende, ik ben ook wel geïnteresseerd in een introductie. Je kan dan misschien 2 vliegen in 1 klap slaan. Groetjes, Dirk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7
Ik begrijp niet echt waarom de BADMAP en de CLEANMAP samen niet de volledige kaart geven, en ook niet waarom die kaarten verschillen op verschillende zoom niveau's. Maar Berlare, of het naburige dorp Uitbergen, lijken goede plaatsen om na de licentiewijziging een mapping party te organiseren. Ik zou zelfs eerder naar Uitbergen gaan, omdat daar na de wijziging nog minder data zal overschieten. http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13lat=51.02419lon=3.97901layers=00B Groeten, Sander Op 19 januari 2012 10:14 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com het volgende: Op 19 januari 2012 09:22 schreef Dirk Roels (Hotmail) dirk_ro...@hotmail.com het volgende: Op 19/01/2012 3:29, talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org schreef: Ik heb hem een boodschap gestuurd met het voorstel om een samen te zitten en hem wat bijkomende uitleg te geven. Jo Hallo Jo, ik ben Dirk Roels (AKA Koalake). Ik ben (in het begin bij m'n ontdekking van OSM) nogal actief geweest in Schilde (kreeg geen opmerkingen betreffende fouten of zo) Moest je een afspraak maken met die onbekende, ik ben ook wel geïnteresseerd in een introductie. Je kan dan misschien 2 vliegen in 1 klap slaan. Groetjes, Dirk Hallo Dirk, We zouden inderdaad al eens vaker wat mapping parties e.d. organiseren om nieuwe medewerkers in te lichten. Ik ga dat de 27e/28e doen, maar dan in Normandië (op een event rond 'vrije software/content' in Lion sur Mer). Dat is waarschijnlijk wat ver uit de kering... Talk-fr is een goeie plaats om m'n Frans wat bij te schaven, maar dan krijg je ook dat soort vragen, natuurlijk :-) In ieder geval, dan ben ook eens in Normandië geweest, maar het is wel spannend. Eerst een presentatie voor zo'n grote groep en dan de mapping party. Misschien moesten we eens iets organiseren ergens in Oost-Vlaanderen in februari. Waarom Oost-Vlaanderen? Omdat er daar veel data verloren dreigt te gaan, die aangeroerd of gecreëerd werd door rendle. Binnen een maand of 2 zal een groot deel van de data daar verdwenen zijn. Berlare verdwijnt nagenoeg compleet van de kaart, als we er niets aan doen. Zo hebben we dan 3 vliegen in 1 klap. Ik ben ook eens in de Kempen aan het rondkijken geweest, maar daar zal het nog meevallen. Een andere locatie is misschien Zolder. Het kan natuurlijk ook los staan van de licentieovergang, al is dat op dit moment wel een heet hangijzer. Ik geraak gemakkelijk in Aarschot/Herselt/Herentals/Geel met bussen 305 of 307. De buslijnen zitten al in OSM, een andere plaats op de routes van die lijnen werkt ook voor mij. Wat we nodig hebben is een rustig café/taverne met internettoegang. Afhankelijk van hoeveel mensen erheen komen, is een zaaltje natuurlijk ook meegenomen, maar dat maakt het natuurlijk heel wat lastiger om iets te vinden. Ik houd je op de hoogte als die andere persoon een teken van leven geeft. Met hem zou het natuurlijk eerder ergens in het Leuvense plaatsvinden. Laat maar weten of het voor jou zou lukken om naar hier te komen op een vrijdagavond of een zaterdagnamiddag. Zondagnamiddag zou ook nog kunnen voor mij. mvg Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Mapping party Berlare intro voor nieuwkomers
Op 19 januari 2012 15:29 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com het volgende: We hoeven niet te wachten tot na de overgang hoor. We kunnen ook nu al grote delen opnieuw traceren en vers op de kaart zetten. De reden waarom ik Berlare had voorgesteld, is omdat we best maximaal 1-1,5 uur voorzien voor het verzamelen van de data. De nadruk moet voornamelijk liggen op het invoeren van de data achteraf, met coaching van de beginnende mappers door de 'anciens'. Het lijkt me eenvoudiger om een gebied met een hogere dichtheid aan gegevens in kwadranten te verdelen en op korte tijd vrij veel data te verzamelen. De andere reden is, dat het eigenlijk voor 1 persoon praktisch mogelijk is, om Uitbergen weer op de kaart te zetten, door er gewoonweg een paar uur te gaan mappen en dan thuis alles in te geven, als iemand dat zou willen. Groeten, Jo Ik zou liever wachten tot de licentiewijziging om verschillende redenen: - Ik verwijder niet graag data vooraf. Vooral omdat ik de datagebruikers de mogelijkheid wil geven om de finale CC-BY-SA database voor enkele maanden te gebruiken, tot de ODBL database op hetzelfde niveau zit. Als we data vooraf verwijderen moeten we kunnen garanderen dat enkele uren later data van dezelfde kwaliteit er op staat. - Als we wachten tot alles in orde is met de licenties, dan zijn we zeker dat we geen onnodig werk doen (straten hermappen die niet moesten gedaan worden) - Als we straten maar verwijderen net voor we de nieuwe er op zetten, om voorgaande problemen op te lossen, dan bestaat het gevaar dat we de oude OSM data gebruiken om die opnieuw er op te zetten (wat ons in een twijfelachtige situatie brengt qua copyright. Ik wil zeker tegenstanders van ODBL geen reden geven om OSM aan te klagen) - In de lente zal het waarschijnlijk (hopelijk) iets warmer en beter weer zijn. Dat is altijd aangenaam om te mappen. Met de afweging Berlare-Uitbergen ga ik akkoord dat Berlare dan inderdaad waarschijnlijk beter is. Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] App voor iPad
Iemand die een OSM app gebruikt voor iPad? Kan deze persoon eens met mij off-list contact opnemen? Heb een aantal vraagjes. Alvast bedankt, Walking Beaver ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] App voor iPad
Ik ken iemand die iLOE gebruikt. Hij zal zelf wel kontakt met je opnemen. Hij zit op deze lijst. Ik vind het enkel spijtig dat relaties niet ondersteund worden. Van de andere kant, OsmAnd en Vespucci ondersteunen ze ook niet, dus zou ik niet mogen klagen. Maar relaties maken een steeds belangrijker onderdeel uit van het kluwen onderling verbonden data waaruit OSM bestaat. Jo Op 19 januari 2012 18:53 schreef Peter Verschueren peter.verschue...@me.com het volgende: Iemand die een OSM app gebruikt voor iPad? Kan deze persoon eens met mij off-list contact opnemen? Heb een aantal vraagjes. Alvast bedankt, Walking Beaver ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Vandalisme?
Ik heb antwoord gekregen op m'n voorstel om hem wat meer uitleg te geven. Hij is lid van een wandelclub en heeft die edits met de beste bedoelingen gemaakt. De GPX'en die hij heeft zijn echter al wat ouder en onder het bladerdek van de bomen is zo'n GPS nu eenmaal niet bepaald betrouwbaar. Hij heeft alleszins ook interesse in een mapping party. Dus ik denk dat ik probeer om in februari iets te organiseren, waarbij de nadruk vooral op de nabewerking ligt en minder op het verzamelen van de data. Al is dat natuurlijk ook belangrijk. Ik dacht aan 1-1,5 uur buiten en dan 3-4 uur ergens binnen. Ik ga al op zoek naar een café waar ze wireless hebben, of waar ik een access point mag inpluggen in hun netwerk. Jo Op 19 januari 2012 03:29 schreef Jo winfi...@gmail.com het volgende: Ik heb hem een boodschap gestuurd met het voorstel om een samen te zitten en hem wat bijkomende uitleg te geven. Jo Op 19 januari 2012 03:07 schreef Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu het volgende: ** Op luchtfoto's zijn er wel tracks te zien in de omgeving van die vijver - slotgracht(?) Dus ik denk dat die weg wel degelijk bestaat. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/145690825 Vandalisme zou ik het echt wel niet willen noemen. Hij lijkt wel met de beste intenties bezig te zijn. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GuyVV/edits Probleem is wel de nauwkeurigheid waarmee de weg GPS-gelogd en/of gemapt werd. Ook de aansluiting met bestaande wegen of ongewenste intersekties met andere elementen moet beter. Kwestie dat iemand hem wat op weg zet door tips en uitleg voor verbeteringen te geven en in het begin zijn bijdragen wat te screenen. mvg Gerard. Jo wrote: Dat zijn inderdaad zeer bizarre toevoegingen. Ik ben al aan het mappen geweest op al die plaatsen en ik kan met grote zekerheid zeggen dat daar zo geen paden zijn. Één van die paden loopt zelfs over een watervlakte... Je moet dan niet enkel Jezusallures hebben, maar ook over een omheining klauteren. Jo Op 18 januari 2012 17:38 schreef Klaas Gadeyne klaas.gade...@gmail.comhet volgende: Ter info: Ik ontdekte zonet dat er op zijn minst in het Leuvense een heel aantal dubieuze ways gecreeerd zijn door een nieuwe user, bv. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/145692685 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/146365212 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/145690825 Ik heb hem een boodschap gestuurd met de vraag om meer uitleg. Misschien zijn er ook op andere plaatsen zaken veranderd... groeten, Klaas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- ___ Talk-be mailing listTalk-be@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9
Sander, ivm met verschillende data op verschillende zoom levels. Ik vermoed dat het gevolg is dat niet alle zoom levels op hetzelfde moment terug worden opgebouwd. Je ziet gelijkaardige effecten op bv. openwandelkaart.nl of de lonvia maps. Wandelwegen die je toevoegt, verschijnen niet even snel op alle zoom levels. Verder heb je natuurlijk ook het verschijnsel dat niet alle data zichtbaar is op alle zoomlevels. Cafe's en restaurants vind je enkel als je dieper inzoomt. groeten Marc English: Sander asked why the data in Cleanmap and badmap is not the same on all levels. I think this is because the data for the different levels is not rebuild at the same time. You have similar effects on e.g. lonvia and openwandelkaart.nl Furthermore not all data is displayed at all levels, think e.g. pubs and restaurants. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9
2012/1/20 talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org: - Als we straten maar verwijderen net voor we de nieuwe er op zetten, om voorgaande problemen op te lossen, dan bestaat het gevaar dat we de oude OSM data gebruiken om die opnieuw er op te zetten (wat ons in een twijfelachtige situatie brengt qua copyright. Ik wil zeker tegenstanders van ODBL geen reden geven om OSM aan te klagen) Jo, do you mean that I need to prove that I actually was in a certain street before I can remove and remap it ? Do you still have all data (on paper, gps track, photo, etc.) of everything that you ever mapped ? What about landuse ? This is always mapped from satellite images ( I assumue). So why should one wait until it disappeared before mapping it again ? An example is the Lippelobos (close to Lippelo - what a surprise ;-) ) I know it's called Lippelobos, I've been there before, so I can remove the current area, and use Bing satellite images to remap it. But you say I have to wait until it's actually gone ? What about streets that I've passed when I surveyed for the knooppunten ? I did not write down the name of the streets because they were there. If I had known they would we lost, I would have noted them down. It's also easier when I delete/re-add the streets now than loose them and my own mapping work above them. regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
Hi, On 01/19/12 03:07, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Giżycko is one example, http://osm.org/go/0Pp7zn7~-- . As FK28.. pointed out the major such cases are where mappers who imported ODbL-incompatible data accepted the Contributor Terms or CT-accepters import ODbL-incompatible data. With version 1.2.4 requiring compatibility with only the current licensing terms, Ah yes. This really is a problem, and it certainly was a very bad decision to make that change to the CT. The issue has been discussed here http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2011-April/005915.html and elsewhere on this list. We can only hope that most people misunderstand this whole thing and in their minds treat agreeing to CT and agreeing to ODbL the same. A strict reading of the current CT leads to the conclusion that while we can re-build the database to only contain data by CT agreers in April, we cannot release the result under ODbL because we do not even *know* which contributions are ODbL compatible and which aren't. I hope that LWG have some clever plan on how to deal with this. Otherwise they would not have made that change when they released 1.2.4, right ;-)? Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
Same here, the OSM is pressuring me to accept the CT which would amount to prejury for imported CC-BY-SA data again here is my statement, I am still getting spam mails from bots on accepting the license. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Michael%20DuPont/diary/15777 mike On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: In one of the cases I'm talking about, those people never had the intention to deal with OpenStreetMap, they had a similar project to OSM under CC-By-SA long before OSM existed. Now OSM uses their map data and entire cities initially imported from their project are shown green. This is a consequence of how LWG wrote the Contibutor Terms and the cleanness-criteri -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:07 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Giżycko is one example, http://osm.org/go/0Pp7zn7~-- . As FK28.. pointed out the major such cases are where mappers who imported ODbL-incompatible data accepted the Contributor Terms or CT-accepters import ODbL-incompatible data. With version 1.2.4 requiring compatibility with only the current licensing terms, an account's CT-acceptance and ODbL-compatibility are independent variables and this leads to a lot of misunderstandings. (This should be fixed if the database rebuild should use CT-acceptance as input, but the longer it takes to notice the problem the more costly the fix is going to be) Yep and I used this logic (which is confirmed by http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2011-April/005916.html even though I didn't know it at the time) when I agreed to the CTs as I stated http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aharvey/diary/14416 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Ah yes. This really is a problem, and it certainly was a very bad decision to make that change to the CT. The issue has been discussed here http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2011-April/005915.html and elsewhere on this list. We can only hope that most people misunderstand this whole thing and in their minds treat agreeing to CT and agreeing to ODbL the same. A strict reading of the current CT leads to the conclusion that while we can re-build the database to only contain data by CT agreers in April, we cannot release the result under ODbL because we do not even *know* which contributions are ODbL compatible and which aren't. I hope that LWG have some clever plan on how to deal with this. Otherwise they would not have made that change when they released 1.2.4, right ;-)? Spot on. Thanks for highlighting this issue. There was a lot of noise made by some in the community trying to get mappers to accept the CTs, so even though I've uploaded some content CC-BY by another party which I have no right to relicense, I agreed to the CTs anyway with the logic andrzej pointed out. I would be happy to try to track down the source tags I used for this data for the LWG, but I'm not going to waste my time doing it if I don't feel the LWG will take it seriously when trying to clean the DB of non-ODBL content. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
Am 19.01.2012 10:53, schrieb Andrew Harvey: . There was a lot of noise made by some in the community trying to get mappers to accept the CTs, so even though I've uploaded some content CC-BY by another party which I have no right to relicense, I agreed to the CTs anyway with the logic andrzej pointed out. I would be happy to try to track down the source tags I used for this data for the LWG, but I'm not going to waste my time doing it if I don't feel the LWG will take it seriously when trying to clean the DB of non-ODBL content. Which non-ODBL compliant source would this be, if I may ask? Simon ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
On 19/01/12 09:51, Mike Dupont wrote: Same here, the OSM is pressuring me to accept the CT which would amount to prejury If you cannot accept the CTs please don't. Nobody wants you to make a false representation. - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 19/01/12 09:51, Mike Dupont wrote: Same here, the OSM is pressuring me to accept the CT which would amount to prejury If you cannot accept the CTs please don't. Nobody wants you to make a false representation. Well then it continues. 1. I get all these mails from people who are telling me to switch, they just dont stop or listen. 2. when I work on saving my data and providing maps under a license I understand and have experience, get forced out of the project. 3. when you get forced out, then you work on saving your work, and are not allowed to interact on the mailing list (forks are counterproductive) This is all pressure in various forms. I get shunned on facebook and get private mails from people in osm pressuring me. thanks, mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Implementing the licence change
Hi, On 18.01.2012 23:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: They are not known. A mailing list has been created (the rebuild list) to discuss how exactly the database rebuild is going to happen, and in I didn't know about that list - I'll join it. terms of policy, LWG will have the ultimate decision. And they are asking for out input via the What is clean page. That page is not, and was not intended to be, a binding document - it might become one later. I assume that LWG will certainly value your help in improving that document. Thanks for clarifying the purpose of the What is clean page, because I wasn't sure whether I was entitled to edit it, not being an LWG member. IANAL. But I like to approach problems in a systematical manner. For example, I recently asked myself the question, What is a copyrightable object in OSM?. I think this is a fundamental question to answer if you discuss licence topics. It has often been said that computer geeks, of which I presume you are one, are not well suited to perform legal analyis. The lawyer's answer to Is a node copyrightable? will almost certainly be it depends. (On country, circumstances, ...) Sure. In OSM, our current answers are: Yes, we treat a node as copyrightable; If yes, what's copyrightable about it? Its position and tags, unless the tags have been created automatically. What's copyrightable about a way? The sequence of its nodes and its tags. Is the list of references to nodes copyrightable separately from the way's tags? Every single tag and every single node reference are a treated as copyrightable by us. Are references to nodes atomic? (I.e. Is a single reference copyrightable? Or is only the list as a whole?) Atomic. So moving a way is not considered a modification of the way, but of the individual nodes. And changing a way's references from ABC to ACB is not a modification at all, because no reference is created and no reference is removed. We cannot say that there was a modification in regard to any of the references. Next question, since according to your answers the approach is rather fine-grained, one might ask if single words within tags are copyrightable. What about roles of relation members, are they separated from the members' references? Above all, we must not forget to consider whether the creation or modification of a single reference, a single role - i.e. anything we say to be atomic - can possibly constitute a creative work. Considering that neither the definitions of what is clean and what is tainted nor the technical details of the implementation have yet been finalized, it seems unreasonable for me to remap. Thankfully, few other people think like you do. There may be edge cases, but I guess that whichever way these edge cases are decided, a significant portion of what is now considered tainted will always be tainted. And that stuff should be remapped *now*. I will certainly start remapping at some point. It's just that I don't feel confident about it at the moment, because there are so many unanswered questions. It's ok to discuss these things, but the approach I won't move a finger until I am told *exactly* what the rules are is not helpful. The rules might *never* be final - even when we do the rebuild according to the then-believed-final rules, it could happen that someone later points out an oversight, or a court decides something, forcing us to remove things we thought we could keep or vice versa. You can only ever go up to 80% certainty in these matters. Demanding more is not realistic. I'm not demanding. I just want to help raising the bar of certainty, in order to prevent us from overseeing something. cheers ant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Implementing the licence change
On 19 January 2012 21:48, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 18.01.2012 23:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: They are not known. A mailing list has been created (the rebuild list) to discuss how exactly the database rebuild is going to happen, and in I didn't know about that list - I'll join it. terms of policy, LWG will have the ultimate decision. And they are asking for out input via the What is clean page. That page is not, and was not intended to be, a binding document - it might become one later. I assume that LWG will certainly value your help in improving that document. Thanks for clarifying the purpose of the What is clean page, because I wasn't sure whether I was entitled to edit it, not being an LWG member. IANAL. But I like to approach problems in a systematical manner. For example, I recently asked myself the question, „What is a copyrightable object in OSM?“. I think this is a fundamental question to answer if you discuss licence topics. It has often been said that computer geeks, of which I presume you are one, are not well suited to perform legal analyis. The lawyer's answer to Is a node copyrightable? will almost certainly be it depends. (On country, circumstances, ...) Sure. In OSM, our current answers are: Yes, we treat a node as copyrightable; If yes, what's copyrightable about it? Its position and tags, unless the tags have been created automatically. What's copyrightable about a way? The sequence of its nodes and its tags. Is the list of references to nodes copyrightable separately from the way's tags? Every single tag and every single node reference are a treated as copyrightable by us. Are references to nodes atomic? (I.e. Is a single reference copyrightable? Or is only the list as a whole?) Atomic. So moving a way is not considered a modification of the way, but of the individual nodes. And changing a way's references from ABC to ACB is not a modification at all, because no reference is created and no reference is removed. We cannot say that there was a modification in regard to any of the references. Next question, since according to your answers the approach is rather fine-grained, one might ask if single words within tags are copyrightable. What about roles of relation members, are they separated from the members' references? Above all, we must not forget to consider whether the creation or modification of a single reference, a single role - i.e. anything we say to be atomic - can possibly constitute a creative work. To be safe you cannot make any decision based on what rights a *single* instance of anything would have because the criteria will be applied in bulk. In practice you always have to consider what rights a database of such references could be protected by. Secondly it's known that in some instances in some countries creativity is not required for copyright to work. Thirdly in many countries there are other intellectual property rights that could play some roles. So the criteria have to be based on where you can say there's no content left from an incompatible edit, not whether it's uncreative. Or where something is part of a bulk edit that will be trivial to recreate if it's lost. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Implementing the licence change
Hi, On 01/19/2012 09:48 PM, ant wrote: So moving a way is not considered a modification of the way, but of the individual nodes. Yes. And changing a way's references from ABC to ACB is not a modification at all, because no reference is created and no reference is removed. We cannot say that there was a modification in regard to any of the references. No, the (relative) place of the reference in the list of references also counts. Changing the node list from 1,2,3 to 3,2,1 is a meaningful change. Next question, since according to your answers the approach is rather fine-grained, one might ask if single words within tags are copyrightable. Our current approach is to take a tag value as a whole. This is certainly not always correct. Also, let me remind you that we don't judge what is copyrightable and what isn't; we're trying to do something that is *reasonable* with regard to copyright. This involves a lot of judgment calls. What about roles of relation members, are they separated from the members' references? I'd treat them like a tag, so yes. Above all, we must not forget to consider whether the creation or modification of a single reference, a single role - i.e. anything we say to be atomic - can possibly constitute a creative work. Some people have called for summarily force-relicensing the contribution of anyone who has added less than a certain amount of data. Problem is, we're starting to get into the database realm. If you take the latest Harry Potter novel then no single word in it is copyrightable. But the combination of a significant portion of words is. Our fine-grained approach (i.e. let's simply try not to use *any* word from Harry Potter, that way we're sure that we won't infringe copyright) might be erring on the side of caution, but I'd prefer that over non-agreers raising a fuss after the license change because they spot something in there that isn't clean. I'm not demanding. I just want to help raising the bar of certainty, in order to prevent us from overseeing something. Well if you find certainty, be sure to inform us since we'll be very interested ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
On 18/01/12 16:46, Ben Johnson wrote: That's exactly how I ended up here. Me too. I bought my GPS receiver for Geocaching, but I also love maps and quickly realised that the only good maps for my Garmin were based on OSM. Nowadays OSM has become much more important than Geocaching for me, though. I try to only go caching in places that could do with some mapping. It looks like they are still using Google by default in the big map, though. I kept meaning to make a post in the forum to try to convince them to switch to OSM by default. OSM is often better and contains things that are actually useful for cachers like footpaths. I'm sure many of them like maps and would become OSMers like me. -- Borbus. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How I got here - was Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
2012/1/19 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com: mick Wrote I was pointed here by someone on the Devon list at the rootsweb genealogy Hi mick When I map a country town I am always on the lookout for any cemetery. I find some very obscure ones and always put them on the map. What are your feelings about putting individual gravestone info into OSM such as the persons name and maybe date and grave location (row, number ???). It would be good for searching and to get the same sat nav, that got you to the cemetry, to walk you to the grave itself. Does this data belong in OSM or should it be a seperate layer looked after by Genealogists somewhere else. There is some similar data of this kind already in OSM: - in 2008 some mappers in Berlin started mapping the graves of famous people: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin/OSM_meets_Six_Feet_Under (in German) - there are some tags (e.g. tomb=war_grave) to map specific types of graves but as far as I know there is not yet anybody mapping ordinary graves (i.e. of people that are neither famous nor did they die in an extraordinary way). One problem I'd see around here is that this kind of data is not very stable (usually the dead remain only for 20 years in their graves, not for eternity, but this depends on the religion and local culture). Keeping this data in a separate layer is suboptimal: e.g. you will have tombs in OSM and the graves in them in another layer, now if someone moves the tombs (to improve the position) they would move the dead out of their tombs. Very bad for your karma... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How I got here - was Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
There are much less stable things than graves and tombstones being mapped. That is not really a problem. The graves are there (unlike some historical feature), easily visible, fairly stable. I do not see any reason why they should not be mapped in OSM database. They are not likely going to be rendered by any big renderer, but that does not really matter if someone wants to map them... Lukas (LM_1) 2012/1/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/1/19 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com: mick Wrote I was pointed here by someone on the Devon list at the rootsweb genealogy Hi mick When I map a country town I am always on the lookout for any cemetery. I find some very obscure ones and always put them on the map. What are your feelings about putting individual gravestone info into OSM such as the persons name and maybe date and grave location (row, number ???). It would be good for searching and to get the same sat nav, that got you to the cemetry, to walk you to the grave itself. Does this data belong in OSM or should it be a seperate layer looked after by Genealogists somewhere else. There is some similar data of this kind already in OSM: - in 2008 some mappers in Berlin started mapping the graves of famous people: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin/OSM_meets_Six_Feet_Under (in German) - there are some tags (e.g. tomb=war_grave) to map specific types of graves but as far as I know there is not yet anybody mapping ordinary graves (i.e. of people that are neither famous nor did they die in an extraordinary way). One problem I'd see around here is that this kind of data is not very stable (usually the dead remain only for 20 years in their graves, not for eternity, but this depends on the religion and local culture). Keeping this data in a separate layer is suboptimal: e.g. you will have tombs in OSM and the graves in them in another layer, now if someone moves the tombs (to improve the position) they would move the dead out of their tombs. Very bad for your karma... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How I got here - was Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
You see? Again the multi-layer and merging-data problem... I'm pretty sure, that problem is one of the most important problems to solve in or around osm. A few years ago I thought about writing an application to manage a graveyard. As my father had to manage one (who is in which grave? in which layer of the grave? when buried? where is the grave? is it grass only or with other plants? what about the state of the grave stone? and so on). That time I didn't know about osm, but if I would try that again, I would like to combine that application with osm (while the application would have to store much more data that does not belong to osm, as it's concerned with privacy issues (who is responsible for the grave, how to contact him/her? how it is payed for it) But we have to solve the concurrency-source-problem first, I fear. regards Peter Am 19.01.2012 12:20, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2012/1/19 Nick Hockingnick.hock...@gmail.com: mick Wrote I was pointed here by someone on the Devon list at the rootsweb genealogy Hi mick When I map a country town I am always on the lookout for any cemetery. I find some very obscure ones and always put them on the map. What are your feelings about putting individual gravestone info into OSM such as the persons name and maybe date and grave location (row, number ???). It would be good for searching and to get the same sat nav, that got you to the cemetry, to walk you to the grave itself. Does this data belong in OSM or should it be a seperate layer looked after by Genealogists somewhere else. There is some similar data of this kind already in OSM: - in 2008 some mappers in Berlin started mapping the graves of famous people: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin/OSM_meets_Six_Feet_Under (in German) - there are some tags (e.g. tomb=war_grave) to map specific types of graves but as far as I know there is not yet anybody mapping ordinary graves (i.e. of people that are neither famous nor did they die in an extraordinary way). One problem I'd see around here is that this kind of data is not very stable (usually the dead remain only for 20 years in their graves, not for eternity, but this depends on the religion and local culture). Keeping this data in a separate layer is suboptimal: e.g. you will have tombs in OSM and the graves in them in another layer, now if someone moves the tombs (to improve the position) they would move the dead out of their tombs. Very bad for your karma... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How I got here - was Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
There is such thing as sustainable mapping. That means, you should map things that are likely to be properly corrected when they change. A better alternative for graves would be a link to the graveyards website where there could be a list of graves. Janko 2012/1/19 LM_1 flukas.robot+...@gmail.com There are much less stable things than graves and tombstones being mapped. That is not really a problem. The graves are there (unlike some historical feature), easily visible, fairly stable. I do not see any reason why they should not be mapped in OSM database. They are not likely going to be rendered by any big renderer, but that does not really matter if someone wants to map them... Lukas (LM_1) 2012/1/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2012/1/19 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com: mick Wrote I was pointed here by someone on the Devon list at the rootsweb genealogy Hi mick When I map a country town I am always on the lookout for any cemetery. I find some very obscure ones and always put them on the map. What are your feelings about putting individual gravestone info into OSM such as the persons name and maybe date and grave location (row, number ???). It would be good for searching and to get the same sat nav, that got you to the cemetry, to walk you to the grave itself. Does this data belong in OSM or should it be a seperate layer looked after by Genealogists somewhere else. There is some similar data of this kind already in OSM: - in 2008 some mappers in Berlin started mapping the graves of famous people: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin/OSM_meets_Six_Feet_Under (in German) - there are some tags (e.g. tomb=war_grave) to map specific types of graves but as far as I know there is not yet anybody mapping ordinary graves (i.e. of people that are neither famous nor did they die in an extraordinary way). One problem I'd see around here is that this kind of data is not very stable (usually the dead remain only for 20 years in their graves, not for eternity, but this depends on the religion and local culture). Keeping this data in a separate layer is suboptimal: e.g. you will have tombs in OSM and the graves in them in another layer, now if someone moves the tombs (to improve the position) they would move the dead out of their tombs. Very bad for your karma... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How I got here - was Geocaching.com moved to OSM (partly)
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: One problem I'd see around here is that this kind of data is not very stable (usually the dead remain only for 20 years in their graves, not for eternity, but this depends on the religion and local culture). In ordinary UK churchyards and other cemeteries, the graves remain for centuries, and there are some gravestones and tombs still in place from several centuries ago. Keeping this data in a separate layer is suboptimal: e.g. you will have tombs in OSM and the graves in them in another layer, now if someone moves the tombs (to improve the position) they would move the dead out of their tombs. Very bad for your karma... I remember, from working on a project to encourage local authorities to use free / open source software, that there are specialized software packages for cemetery management. (These were a sticking point / excuse for inertia in FLOSS adoption, as they ran only on Windows.) It might be worth looking for existing standards as to what data is kept. There might also be existing databases that would be available for import (although I gather some of the OSM community isn't keen on bulk imports, but these will at least be fairly local). And perhaps local authorities who are starting to use OSM might be interested in using it to store their cemetery data. __John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Spam in user diaries
Hi, as our spam protection by trigger on people that mark a entry with the words spam seem to work, we get currently a lot of spam, that seems to be send out via our twitter account anyway: https://twitter.com/#!/osmblogs So I'd like to ask if we could add a delay before twitter them. This gives users enough time to tag them as spam and make sure, that we don't broadcast any annying advertisings. bye Matthias (user:!i!) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch licence status highlighting wrong?
Build 2.3-129 of Potlatch does seem to have fixed the inconsistencies that I was seeing. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Potlatch-licence-status-highlighting-wrong-tp7199815p7205388.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spam in user diaries
On 19/01/12 19:08, Matthias Meißer wrote: Hi, as our spam protection by trigger on people that mark a entry with the words spam seem to work, Not sure what you're saying here, but if you think writing spam as a comment has some effect then you are very mistaken. we get currently a lot of spam, that seems to be send out via our twitter account anyway: https://twitter.com/#!/osmblogs That twitter account is completely unofficial as far as I know. I have no idea who even runs it. The openstreetmap account is the official one. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: Herinnering OSGeoNL en OSM nieuwjaarsborrel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 - Originele bericht Beste mappers, Vanmiddag ben ik nog even langs de locatie voor a.s. zondag geweest om aan te geven, dat ze ons voor een nieuwjaarsborrel kunnen verwachten. Voor degenen die niet uit Utrecht komen: loop gewoon naar de Domtoren. Aan de voet vind je een aantal cafés, waar Lofen tussenin zit. Vanaf 13.00 is iedereen welkom! Tot dan! Met vriendelijke groet, Edward Mac Gillavry Als je tijdens de borrel naar de WC gaat: kijk even om je heen naar de middeleeuwse resten van het bisschoppelijk paleis, dat hier gestaan heeft. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAk8Ya8MACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1lxQCePEudxn+lKiTY17jFIi57XuaT 6qgAn1eQxMZNqKnzWg6J1rbgTdNqrtkw =DSMY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-is] Gögn frá strætó - stoppistöðvar
The map features page suggests using public_transport=stop_position with bus=yes instead of highway=bus_stop so I suggest you change that. Otherwise it looks good. Þórir Már I will use public_transport=stop_position and bus=yes in addition to highway=bus_stop as that's how it is commonly tagged: http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Europe/En/tagstats_public_transport_stop_position.html . Here is an updated OSM file: http://pastebin.com/7pP27Nhi thanks, Björgvin 2012/1/15 Björgvin Ragnarsson nifgr...@gmail.com Sæl, Guðmundur Bjarni kunningi minn (í CC) hefur verið í sambandi við Strætó undanfarna mánuði varðandi að fá gögn frá strætó til að geta búið til forrit í símann með uppl. um næsta strætó. Fyrir nokkrum vikum fékk hann excel skjal með með öllum biðstöðvum strætó, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag6sYRl_wciAdFlOd3lEQU1JZlNKb1NJSmtNb1RfU0Ehl=en_US#gid=0. Einar Örn stjórnarmaður í Strætó Bs. sendi honum þetta og í tölvupóstinum stóð að þetta er opið og sjálfsagt að deila áfram. Ég snaraði þessu svo á OSM format, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kEkiGAHS, með eftirfarandi skriftu: https://github.com/nifgraup/straeto-utilities. Hefur einhver skoðun á þessari vörpun hjá mér, þ.e. stutt nafn verður name og langt nafn verður alt_name? Einnig, hvernig haldið þið að best sé að setja þetta inn með tilliti til gagnanna sem fyrir eru? Ath. að það er möguleiki að við fáum fleiri gögn, t.d. hvaða leiðum hvert stopp tilheyrir. Starfsmaður Strætó bs. sem er að semja pólisíu um afhendingu gagna til almennings hafði samband við Guðmund og spurði út í hvað fleira gæti nýst. Björgvin ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
Re: [Talk-is] (English) Bus System
I agree, we should go with option #1 Þórir On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/1/18 Björgvin Ragnarsson nifgr...@gmail.com: 1. scrap the existing bus stops and import the new data, (We could save a few stops, e.g. stops around Hlemmur) 2. Import just the unmapped stops, 3. Import the new data but try to keep the coordinates of existing stops? IIRC I mapped a lot of the existing stops inaccurately, some even from memory. I think option #1 makes the most sense. The Strætó data is going to be much better than what we have, and will be easier for whoever's importing it. We can always look at the history of the old stops later. ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
[Talk-de] Hack-Wochenende in Karlsruhe 25/26. Febr 2012
Hi! Es wird mal wieder Zeit für ein Hacking-Wochenende in Deutschland. Und weil wir faul sind und nicht woanders hin reisen wollen, haben wir das in Karlsruhe angesetzt, wo der Besprechungsraum im Geofabrik-Büro am Wochenende eh leer rumsteht. Vielleicht habt ihr ja Lust zu einer Reise in den sonnigen Süden und kommt mit Euren Ideen, Projekten und Notebooks zu einem netten Wochenende mit OSM-Hacking und Fachsimpelei. Weitere Infos und (unverbindliche) Anmeldung unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_February_2012 Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Unterstützung bei Datenbereinigung gesucht
Hallo, anscheinend ist durch die Diskussion hier die eigentliche Bereinigung der Daten etwas in Vergessenheit geraten. Daher habe ich mal noch ein paar Orte abgearbeitet - es sind aber noch genügend übrig... Ach so, mein Vorgehen war dabei jetzt die Variante, dass ich place-Werte für Knoten und Weg angeglichen habe. Grüße, Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Unterstützung bei Datenbereinigung gesucht
Hallo Michael, welcher Wert war bei Dir dann der ausschlaggebende? Ich habe nämlich auch einige versucht anzugleichen. Aber es stellte sich bei mir immer die Frage ist die Bezeichnung des Knoten oder des Wegs der richtigere. Gruß hike39 Am 19.01.2012 13:24, schrieb Michael Krämer: Hallo, anscheinend ist durch die Diskussion hier die eigentliche Bereinigung der Daten etwas in Vergessenheit geraten. Daher habe ich mal noch ein paar Orte abgearbeitet - es sind aber noch genügend übrig... Ach so, mein Vorgehen war dabei jetzt die Variante, dass ich place-Werte für Knoten und Weg angeglichen habe. Grüße, Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Unterstützung bei Datenbereinigung gesucht
Hallo, Am 19. Januar 2012 15:19 schrieb hike39 ho...@hike.de: welcher Wert war bei Dir dann der ausschlaggebende? Ich habe nämlich auch einige versucht anzugleichen. Aber es stellte sich bei mir immer die Frage ist die Bezeichnung des Knoten oder des Wegs der richtigere. Das habe ich jeweils anhand von Bing und gegebenenfalls Wikipedia bestimmt. Wobei der Übergang zwischen hamlet und village natürlich schon fließend ist. Aber gerade die Einwohnerzahl aus Wikipedia hilft da oft weiter - so es sie denn gibt. Grüße, Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Das Wrack der Costa Concordia ist schon gemappt, sogar mit voller Attributierung! Link: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.3634lon=10.92248zoom=16layers=M Jacques ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
das forum war schneller ;) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=15109 Aber etwas spinnerlt ist es schon. Gruss Walter - Wenn du den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht siehst, fälle die Bäume und du wirst sehen, dass da kein Wald ist. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Die-spinnen-die-OSMler-tp7204346p7204369.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Am 19.01.2012 16:21, schrieb Jacques Nietsch: Das Wrack der Costa Concordia ist schon gemappt, sogar mit voller Attributierung! Link: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.3634lon=10.92248zoom=16layers=M Jacques Schon kalte Kaffee ! http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=15109 Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Schon kalte Kaffee ! http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=15109 Damit bist du der zweite ;) Zur Info: Es soll auch Leute geben, die Foren nicht besonders mögen und eine Mailingliste, bzw. eine Newsgruppe (Gmane), vorziehen. Von daher danke für's Posten, denn sonst hätte ich das nicht mitbekommen. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
2012/1/19 Jacques Nietsch jacques.niet...@gmx.de: Das Wrack der Costa Concordia ist schon gemappt, sogar mit voller Attributierung! Link: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.3634lon=10.92248zoom=16layers=M So ganz klar ist der Fall noch nicht, die italienische Liste spekuliert, wo der Umriss herkommt, und hierüber geben die Changeset-tags und Objekt-tags bisher keinen Aufschluss. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Hallo Jacques, Das Wrack der Costa Concordia ist schon gemappt Die Route zur Unfallstelle auch, incl. nautischen Daten und Wikipedia-Link :-) (MouseOver) http://map.openseamap.org/map/index.php?lang=dezoom=14lat=42.34482lon=10.9324layers=BFTFFFTFFTT0TFT Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hack-Wochenende in Karlsruhe 25/26. Febr 2012
Am 19.01.2012 10:50, schrieb Jochen Topf: Hi! Es wird mal wieder Zeit für ein Hacking-Wochenende in Deutschland. Und weil wir faul sind und nicht woanders hin reisen wollen, haben wir das in Karlsruhe angesetzt, wo der Besprechungsraum im Geofabrik-Büro am Wochenende eh leer rumsteht. Vielleicht habt ihr ja Lust zu einer Reise in den sonnigen Süden und kommt mit Euren Ideen, Projekten und Notebooks zu einem netten Wochenende mit OSM-Hacking und Fachsimpelei. Weitere Infos und (unverbindliche) Anmeldung unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_February_2012 Jochen Leider ist für mich Karlsruhe zu weit weg, aber wie muss man sich sowas eigentlich vorstellen? Ich selbst würde mich glaube ich als nicht so wahnsinnig guten Programmierer verstehen, weder kann ich Ruby on Rails, noch bin ich in die Tiefern von JOSM oder Mapnik vorgedrungen. Gibt es da so minimale Skills? Habt ihr euch überlegt, woran ihr gerne schrauben würdet? Gruß Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hack-Wochenende in Karlsruhe 25/26. Febr 2012
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 06:34:25PM +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: Am 19.01.2012 10:50, schrieb Jochen Topf: Hi! Es wird mal wieder Zeit für ein Hacking-Wochenende in Deutschland. Und weil wir faul sind und nicht woanders hin reisen wollen, haben wir das in Karlsruhe angesetzt, wo der Besprechungsraum im Geofabrik-Büro am Wochenende eh leer rumsteht. Vielleicht habt ihr ja Lust zu einer Reise in den sonnigen Süden und kommt mit Euren Ideen, Projekten und Notebooks zu einem netten Wochenende mit OSM-Hacking und Fachsimpelei. Weitere Infos und (unverbindliche) Anmeldung unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_February_2012 Jochen Leider ist für mich Karlsruhe zu weit weg, aber wie muss man sich sowas eigentlich vorstellen? Ich selbst würde mich glaube ich als nicht so wahnsinnig guten Programmierer verstehen, weder kann ich Ruby on Rails, noch bin ich in die Tiefern von JOSM oder Mapnik vorgedrungen. Gibt es da so minimale Skills? Habt ihr euch überlegt, woran ihr gerne schrauben würdet? Es gibt keine vorgegebenen Themen. Jeder macht, was er mag. Das ganze ist schon für Programmierer gedacht, aber wenn jemand z.B. gerne Doku schreibt, aber nicht programmieren kann, dann kann er auch so was beitragen. Oder Wiki aufräumen oder Flyer designen oder sonstwas. Wir werden niemanden ablehnen, der nicht programmieren kann oder will. Typischerweise ist das bei solchen Event so, dass jeder diverse Projekte hat, die ihn interessieren und dann arbeitet man erstmal daran, fragt hier mal um Hilfe oder Ideen oder bietet dort mal Hilfe an. Dann stellt man fest, wo man vielleicht Gemeinsamkeiten hat und was zusammen machen kann oder so. Das ergibt sich dann von selbst. Es ist eine Mischung aus Programmieren und Diskutieren. Es geht auf jeden Fall drum, wirklich aktiv an was zu arbeiten, was einen persönlich interessiert. Die Teilnehmer können vorab schonmal im Wiki eintragen, was sie so interessiert. Das gibt dann anderen die Möglichkeit zu sehen, ob da vielleicht auch für sie interessante Themen dabei sind. Aber eine Garantie, dass bestimmte Themen behandelt werden gibt es nicht. Auf jeden Fall gibt es kein vorgegebenes Programm und keine Bespaßung, jeder muss selbst schaun, dass er sich irgendwie beschäftigt. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hack-Wochenende in Karlsruhe 25/26. Febr 2012
Hi. Ich wär gerne dabei, um an der Look-and-Listen-Map zu schrauben, aber wir sind damit schon vom 31. bis 2. in Karlsruhe auf der Learntec, und den dann entstehenden Brückentag am Montag muss ich leider zur Uni - und für das hin- und her ist es mir dann doch zu weit. Insofern viel Spaß an die, die da sein werden - und hoffentlich bis zum Nächsten Mal Gruß Peter Am 19.01.2012 10:50, schrieb Jochen Topf: Hi! Es wird mal wieder Zeit für ein Hacking-Wochenende in Deutschland. Und weil wir faul sind und nicht woanders hin reisen wollen, haben wir das in Karlsruhe angesetzt, wo der Besprechungsraum im Geofabrik-Büro am Wochenende eh leer rumsteht. Vielleicht habt ihr ja Lust zu einer Reise in den sonnigen Süden und kommt mit Euren Ideen, Projekten und Notebooks zu einem netten Wochenende mit OSM-Hacking und Fachsimpelei. Weitere Infos und (unverbindliche) Anmeldung unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_February_2012 Jochen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Hi, sollte die Route dann nicht auch den Felsen streifen? Mfg Marc Am 19.01.2012 um 18:19 schrieb Markus: Hallo Jacques, Das Wrack der Costa Concordia ist schon gemappt Die Route zur Unfallstelle auch, incl. nautischen Daten und Wikipedia-Link :-) (MouseOver) http://map.openseamap.org/map/index.php?lang=dezoom=14lat=42.34482lon=10.9324layers=BFTFFFTFFTT0TFT Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hack-Wochenende in Karlsruhe 25/26. Febr 2012
Ich muss aus Belgien kommen, also ziemlich weit aber vielleicht doch nicht ganz unmöglich. Wenn da jemand mit interesse auf Java auf dem Android Platform da sein wird, oder vielleicht sogar jemand mit interesse in Vespucci oder OsmAnd, dann werde ich warscheinlich schon ausreichend motiviert sein um so weit zu reisen. Ich möche nämlich gern damit anfangen einiges zu ändern, aber brauche jemand der mich damit starten kann. Jetzt programmiere ich meistens in Python. Mit Hilfe eines Plugins kann ich so JOSM skripten. Polyglot 2012/1/19 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de Hi. Ich wär gerne dabei, um an der Look-and-Listen-Map zu schrauben, aber wir sind damit schon vom 31. bis 2. in Karlsruhe auf der Learntec, und den dann entstehenden Brückentag am Montag muss ich leider zur Uni - und für das hin- und her ist es mir dann doch zu weit. Insofern viel Spaß an die, die da sein werden - und hoffentlich bis zum Nächsten Mal Gruß Peter Am 19.01.2012 10:50, schrieb Jochen Topf: Hi! Es wird mal wieder Zeit für ein Hacking-Wochenende in Deutschland. Und weil wir faul sind und nicht woanders hin reisen wollen, haben wir das in Karlsruhe angesetzt, wo der Besprechungsraum im Geofabrik-Büro am Wochenende eh leer rumsteht. Vielleicht habt ihr ja Lust zu einer Reise in den sonnigen Süden und kommt mit Euren Ideen, Projekten und Notebooks zu einem netten Wochenende mit OSM-Hacking und Fachsimpelei. Weitere Infos und (unverbindliche) Anmeldung unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_** February_2012http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Hack_Weekend_February_2012 Jochen __**_ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-dehttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Hallo Marc, sollte die Route dann nicht auch den Felsen streifen? Die Position von 20:53 ist 300m von der Küste weg. Der Fels, an dem das Schiff gestrandet ist liegt irgendwo dazwischen. Ich dachte, es war ein Unterwasserfels, der nicht in OSM drin ist. Könnte aber auch der sichtbare Fels sein: N42°21.896' - E10°55.263' Die Ostküste von Giglio ist relativ steil, die Wassertiefe erreicht in 200m Abstand von der Küste bereits 100 m: http://map.openseamap.org/map/?zoom=11mlat=42.36479mlon=10.92088layers=BFTFTTTFFTF0FFTlat=42.37015lon=10.87043 So wie ich höre, hat der Kapitän nach 21 Uhr noch ein Ankermanöver gefahren, und hat sich dann vermutlich absichtlich so an die Küste gelegt, dass das Schiff möglichst nicht tiefer sinkt, und Bergungsmassnahmen erleichtert werden. Warum die letzte Position nicht im Protokoll ist weiss ich nicht, wir werden sie aber anhand des Land-Mappings ergänzen :-) Gruss, Markus - - - - OpenSeaMap ist nächste Woche auf der Boot: 21.-29. Januar Halle 11, Stand H13 Ein gemütlicher Treffpunkt für alle OSMer :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Ich hab schon sonstwo gelesen, daß das die Koordinatenpunkte sind, die vom automatischen Verfolgungssystem gesendet waren. Daraus kann man den wirklich gefahrenen Weg nicht genauer entnehmen. mfg wb Am 19.01.2012 19:23, schrieb Gehling Marc: Hi, sollte die Route dann nicht auch den Felsen streifen? Mfg Marc Am 19.01.2012 um 18:19 schrieb Markus: Hallo Jacques, Das Wrack der Costa Concordia ist schon gemappt Die Route zur Unfallstelle auch, incl. nautischen Daten und Wikipedia-Link :-) (MouseOver) http://map.openseamap.org/map/index.php?lang=dezoom=14lat=42.34482lon=10.9324layers=BFTFFFTFFTT0TFT Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Hallo Marc, Wahrscheinlich war die Grundberührung an der Untiefe östlich der Insel Scole: N42°21.3' - E10°55.8' Das stimmt auch mit der vermutlichen Fahrlinie zwischen 20:37 und 20:53 überein. Unklar ist, warum für diesen Abschnitt keine Positionen vorliegen. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Am 20. Januar 2012 00:13 schrieb Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de: Hallo Marc, Wahrscheinlich war die Grundberührung an der Untiefe östlich der Insel Scole: N42°21.3' - E10°55.8' Das stimmt auch mit der vermutlichen Fahrlinie zwischen 20:37 und 20:53 überein. Unklar ist, warum für diesen Abschnitt keine Positionen vorliegen. evtl. ist er auch zwischen den beiden Felsen bei Scole durchgefahren, es gibt da verschiedene Versionen in den Medien, das hier zeigt einen Zoom der entspr. Stelle auf einer Seekarte: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UGMVjC3qmwQ/TxQJj0uDGMI/MHM/MZIl8eZxfFk/s1600/gemittrafik_giglio_costa_concordia.jpg Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Daß er absichtlich zwischen den Felsen durchgefahren ist, das kann ich nicht glauben. Fehleinschätzung ja, aber das wäre geplanter Wahnsinn. mfg wb Am 20.01.2012 00:22, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 20. Januar 2012 00:13 schrieb Markusliste12a4...@gmx.de: Hallo Marc, Wahrscheinlich war die Grundberührung an der Untiefe östlich der Insel Scole: N42°21.3' - E10°55.8' Das stimmt auch mit der vermutlichen Fahrlinie zwischen 20:37 und 20:53 überein. Unklar ist, warum für diesen Abschnitt keine Positionen vorliegen. evtl. ist er auch zwischen den beiden Felsen bei Scole durchgefahren, es gibt da verschiedene Versionen in den Medien, das hier zeigt einen Zoom der entspr. Stelle auf einer Seekarte: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UGMVjC3qmwQ/TxQJj0uDGMI/MHM/MZIl8eZxfFk/s1600/gemittrafik_giglio_costa_concordia.jpg Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Da auf Giglio ist im Osten ein path eingezeichnet zwischen der Südspitze und dann an der östlichen Küste vorbei zum Hafen. Ich hatte wirklich geglaubt, daß es den gibt. Vor drei Jahren wollten wir dem folgen und wir haben uns zu zweit für etliche Stunden durch die weglose Macchia gequält, bis wir die ersten Häuser erreichten. Zerschunden und erschöpft erreichten wir die letzte Fähre auf das Festland. Man darf offensichtlich solchen Wegen nicht unbesehen folgen, auch wenn sie in einem Internetforum als relativ problemlos beschrieben sind. Ich hatte damals zwar ein Navi dabei, aber leider noch nicht diese Karte, die hätte mir allerhand Schinderei ersparen können. mfg wb Am 19.01.2012 21:49, schrieb Wolfgang Barth: Die Route zur Unfallstelle auch, incl. nautischen Daten und Wikipedia-Link :-) (MouseOver) http://map.openseamap.org/map/index.php?lang=dezoom=14lat=42.34482lon=10.9324layers=BFTFFFTFFTT0TFT Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Moin Markus, die Transponder kann man ausschalten (auf der Brücke) aber, was noch fehlt, und das werden wir bestimmt nie erfahren, wo sind die zwei vorgeschriebenen EPIRB-Bojen? Hat die die Guardia-Di-Financa? Die Dinger sind zu groß, um sie mal eben in die Tasche zu stecken. Oder hat der nach einigen Blättern betrunkene Kapitän die doch noch mal eben an Land gebracht? Fragen über Fragen… bis Montag Klaus Am Freitag, den 20.01.2012, 00:13 +0100 schrieb Markus: Hallo Marc, Wahrscheinlich war die Grundberührung an der Untiefe östlich der Insel Scole: N42°21.3' - E10°55.8' Das stimmt auch mit der vermutlichen Fahrlinie zwischen 20:37 und 20:53 überein. Unklar ist, warum für diesen Abschnitt keine Positionen vorliegen. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] [bulk]: Re: Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Moin in der Seekarte nachgesehen? wenn ja dann schreib es, Klaus Am Freitag, den 20.01.2012, 01:10 +0100 schrieb Wolfgang Barth: Daß er absichtlich zwischen den Felsen durchgefahren ist, das kann ich nicht glauben. Fehleinschätzung ja, aber das wäre geplanter Wahnsinn. mfg wb Am 20.01.2012 00:22, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 20. Januar 2012 00:13 schrieb Markusliste12a4...@gmx.de: Hallo Marc, Wahrscheinlich war die Grundberührung an der Untiefe östlich der Insel Scole: N42°21.3' - E10°55.8' Das stimmt auch mit der vermutlichen Fahrlinie zwischen 20:37 und 20:53 überein. Unklar ist, warum für diesen Abschnitt keine Positionen vorliegen. evtl. ist er auch zwischen den beiden Felsen bei Scole durchgefahren, es gibt da verschiedene Versionen in den Medien, das hier zeigt einen Zoom der entspr. Stelle auf einer Seekarte: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UGMVjC3qmwQ/TxQJj0uDGMI/MHM/MZIl8eZxfFk/s1600/gemittrafik_giglio_costa_concordia.jpg Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;)
Moin Ankermanöver bei Wassertiefe über 70m? Wieviel Kette hat der? Klaus Am Donnerstag, den 19.01.2012, 21:36 +0100 schrieb Markus: Hallo Marc, sollte die Route dann nicht auch den Felsen streifen? Die Position von 20:53 ist 300m von der Küste weg. Der Fels, an dem das Schiff gestrandet ist liegt irgendwo dazwischen. Ich dachte, es war ein Unterwasserfels, der nicht in OSM drin ist. Könnte aber auch der sichtbare Fels sein: N42°21.896' - E10°55.263' Die Ostküste von Giglio ist relativ steil, die Wassertiefe erreicht in 200m Abstand von der Küste bereits 100 m: http://map.openseamap.org/map/?zoom=11mlat=42.36479mlon=10.92088layers=BFTFTTTFFTF0FFTlat=42.37015lon=10.87043 So wie ich höre, hat der Kapitän nach 21 Uhr noch ein Ankermanöver gefahren, und hat sich dann vermutlich absichtlich so an die Küste gelegt, dass das Schiff möglichst nicht tiefer sinkt, und Bergungsmassnahmen erleichtert werden. Warum die letzte Position nicht im Protokoll ist weiss ich nicht, wir werden sie aber anhand des Land-Mappings ergänzen :-) Gruss, Markus - - - - OpenSeaMap ist nächste Woche auf der Boot: 21.-29. Januar Halle 11, Stand H13 Ein gemütlicher Treffpunkt für alle OSMer :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] dsds?
Gestrandete Schiffe? Schreiben wir jetzt auch alle meine Fahrradpannen hier hinein? Klaus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnen die OSMler ;) tun si nich
Moin was ist eine vermutliche Fahrlinie? http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ hat keine Daten. Ich auch nicht. (Ich logge die) Ich vermute, das da jemand manipuliert hat. Es gibt da aber noch italienische Behörden, die das aufzeichnen. GdF marina militare , etc Am Freitag, den 20.01.2012, 00:13 +0100 schrieb Markus: Hallo Marc, Wahrscheinlich war die Grundberührung an der Untiefe östlich der Insel Scole: N42°21.3' - E10°55.8' Das stimmt auch mit der vermutlichen Fahrlinie zwischen 20:37 und 20:53 überein. Unklar ist, warum für diesen Abschnitt keine Positionen vorliegen. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenlisten
Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: ich habe heute die Strassenlisten rausgesucht und ins Netz gepackt. Vielen Dank! Ich hatte schon die Befürchtung, dass Dich die neue Lizenz derart verärgert hat, dass Du keine Arbeit mehr in eine Veröffentlichung stecken würdest. Das gesamte git repository d.h. inklusive der gesamten historie findet sich hier: git clone git://pax.zz.de/osm-strassenliste Kann mir jemand erklären, wie man das jetzt runterladen kann? Wenn ich die Adresse in die Browserliste bringe, beginnt Google eine Suche danach, ohne etwas Brauchbares zu finden. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenlisten
Am Freitag, 20. Januar 2012, 04:35:31 schrieb Tirkon: Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Das gesamte git repository d.h. inklusive der gesamten historie findet sich hier: git clone git://pax.zz.de/osm-strassenliste Kann mir jemand erklären, wie man das jetzt runterladen kann? Wenn ich die Adresse in die Browserliste bringe, beginnt Google eine Suche danach, ohne etwas Brauchbares zu finden. git ist eine Versionsverwaltungssoftware (http://git-scm.com), sowas wird meist für die Verwaltung von Software-Quellcode verwendet, kann aber auch in vielen anderen Fällen eingesetzt werden. Um das runterzuladen brauchst Du den passenden client (eben git) und musst genau den angegebenen Befehl (git clone ...) eingeben. Danach hast du eine Kopie des Repositories, d. h. den aktuellen Stand nebst gespeicherter Historie. Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] dsds?
Am 20.01.2012 01:54, schrieb Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger: Gestrandete Schiffe? Schreiben wir jetzt auch alle meine Fahrradpannen hier hinein? Wenn sie ein gleich großes Medienecho erzeugen? BTW: Für umgefallene Reissäcke gibts noch keine tags ;-) Gruß, André joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Riorganizzazione Map features
Il 03 gennaio 2012 21:33, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/1/3 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it: Cosa facciamo? Seguiamo l’ordinamento inglese? Manteniamo l’ordinamento attuale? Ordiniamo alfabeticamente in italiano? Aspettiamo di vedere cosa fanno gli altri? Altre proposte? Ordiniamo alfabeticamente in italiano? +1 La corrispondenza di ordine tra i due elenchi non mi sembra così importante. anche secondo me, la cosa più importante sarebbe tenerla aggiornata. qualche disponibile a tenere sott'occhio la pagina? Ciao, Federico -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il 18 gennaio 2012 18:32, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: -Factory Le fabbriche si taggano con amenity=factory? Ho visto landuse=industrial ma non è il caso :) Perché evitare? Ovviamente la singola fabbrica va indicata con man_made=works, ma l'area va indicata con landuse=industrial. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Perché non so bene se la produzione è fisicamente li.. Parlo della cressi e della slam che sono nello stesso capannone a genova :) poi lo cambio allora Il giorno 19/gen/2012 11:17, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 18 gennaio 2012 18:32, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: -Factory Le fabbriche si taggano con amenity=factory? Ho visto landuse=industrial ma non è il caso :) Perché evitare? Ovviamente la singola fabbrica va indicata con man_made=works, ma l'area va indicata con landuse=industrial. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il 19 gennaio 2012 11:22, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Perché non so bene se la produzione è fisicamente li.. Parlo della cressi e della slam che sono nello stesso capannone a genova :) poi lo cambio allora aspè landuse serve per indicare una zona industriale, se parliamo della slam in via adomoli li non mi sembra molto una zona industriale al massimo commerciale. -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
La distinzione fra zona industriale e commerciale è notoriamente difficile. Lavoro nel bel mezzo della Zona Industriale di Padova (ZIP) ma è un miscuglio fra ditte produttrici di qualcosa, di ditte che vendono qualcosa all'ingrosso e al dettagli, tanti uffici (per esempio la motorizzazione civile di Padova), ristoranti ed alberghi e ricerca (dove lavoro io). Non ho mai guardato da vicino a questo problema di distinzione fra le due tipi di aree non-residenti. Come si fa distinguere? Volker 2012/1/19 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com Il 19 gennaio 2012 11:22, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Perché non so bene se la produzione è fisicamente li.. Parlo della cressi e della slam che sono nello stesso capannone a genova :) poi lo cambio allora aspè landuse serve per indicare una zona industriale, se parliamo della slam in via adomoli li non mi sembra molto una zona industriale al massimo commerciale. -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc...@gmail.com office phone: +39-049-829-5977 office fax +39-049-8700718 home phone: +39-049-851519 personal mobile: +39-340-1427105 skype: volker.schmidt ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] nascondere livelli aperti di default
scusate non so se è il posto adatto per chiedere, JOSM di default mi apre sempre due livelli cycles routes czech hiling trails dal momento che non servono quasi mai come faccio per fare in modo che non mi vengano proposti? grazie Marco E' nata indoona : chiama, videochiama e messaggia Gratis. Scarica indoona per iPhone, Android e PC ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
2012/1/18 Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com: Già OSM paga un pegno non indifferente come copertura di molte zone, almeno che quelle coperte riflettano una situazione più vera di una normale mappa commerciale. +1 su tutto. -- Cià Cristiano / Sky One Home: http://www.skyone.it (itinerari in moto e non solo) Pensieri: http://blog.skyone.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
In data giovedì 19 gennaio 2012 11:44:20, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: La distinzione fra zona industriale e commerciale è notoriamente difficile. Beh lo stesso discorso vale per moltissime zone come ad esempio i centri storici dove a piano terra ci sono i negozi e ai piani superiori gli appartamenti. Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il giorno 19 gennaio 2012 11:44, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: La distinzione fra zona industriale e commerciale è notoriamente difficile. Lavoro nel bel mezzo della Zona Industriale di Padova (ZIP) ma è un miscuglio fra ditte produttrici di qualcosa, di ditte che vendono qualcosa all'ingrosso e al dettagli, tanti uffici (per esempio la motorizzazione civile di Padova), ristoranti ed alberghi e ricerca (dove lavoro io). Non ho mai guardato da vicino a questo problema di distinzione fra le due tipi di aree non-residenti. Come si fa distinguere? In realtà la distinzione dovrebbe farla il piano regolatore tra aree produttive e aree terziario, ma spesso questa distinzione è lettera morta, permettendo, ad esempio, che un capannone industriale sfitto diventi un Lidl (esempio che ho sotto gli occhi). Quel che si può fare, in mancanza di dati certi, è valutare la preponderanza di attività e di tipologia di edifici: solitamente in una zona industriale ci sono più capannoni, in una commerciale/terziario più palazzine di uffici... Poi non è che se in una zona industriale nasce una tavola calda, quel pezzetto diventa commercial, la zona è sempre industriale. -- Maurizio Daniele - maurizio.daniele (a) gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il 19 gennaio 2012 12:10, Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il giorno 19 gennaio 2012 11:44, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: La distinzione fra zona industriale e commerciale è notoriamente difficile. Lavoro nel bel mezzo della Zona Industriale di Padova (ZIP) ma è un miscuglio fra ditte produttrici di qualcosa, di ditte che vendono qualcosa all'ingrosso e al dettagli, tanti uffici (per esempio la motorizzazione civile di Padova), ristoranti ed alberghi e ricerca (dove lavoro io). Non ho mai guardato da vicino a questo problema di distinzione fra le due tipi di aree non-residenti. Come si fa distinguere? In realtà la distinzione dovrebbe farla il piano regolatore tra aree produttive e aree terziario, ma spesso questa distinzione è lettera morta, permettendo, ad esempio, che un capannone industriale sfitto diventi un Lidl (esempio che ho sotto gli occhi). Quel che si può fare, in mancanza di dati certi, è valutare la preponderanza di attività e di tipologia di edifici: solitamente in una zona industriale ci sono più capannoni, in una commerciale/terziario più palazzine di uffici... Poi non è che se in una zona industriale nasce una tavola calda, quel pezzetto diventa commercial, la zona è sempre industriale. Attenzione che commercial non è commerciale, ma è uffici. Attività commerciale è retail. Penso che un landuse=commercial vada bene, ad esempio, per alcune aree nel Centro Direzionale di Milano. Nell'isolato in cui lavoro ci sono palazzi di 12 o più piani (oltre alla Torre Galfa di 30), uno solo dei quali ha per lo più abitazioni. Nel mio palazzo ci sono dodici piani di uffici e un negozio di grafica al piano terra, ed è ovviamente commercial. In quello a fianco ci sono dodici piani di abitazioni, con un paio di uffici, un ufficio postale al piano terra e un ristorante self-service sempre al piano terra; è ovviamente residential. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
-Messaggio originale- Da: Simone Saviolo [mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com] Inviato: giovedì 19 gennaio 2012 12.18 A: openstreetmap list - italiano Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici Il 19 gennaio 2012 12:10, Maurizio Daniele mailto:maurizio.dani...@gmail.com maurizio.dani...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il giorno 19 gennaio 2012 11:44, Volker Schmidt mailto:vosc...@gmail.com vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: La distinzione fra zona industriale e commerciale è notoriamente difficile. Lavoro nel bel mezzo della Zona Industriale di Padova (ZIP) ma è un miscuglio fra ditte produttrici di qualcosa, di ditte che vendono qualcosa all'ingrosso e al dettagli, tanti uffici (per esempio la motorizzazione civile di Padova), ristoranti ed alberghi e ricerca (dove lavoro io). Non ho mai guardato da vicino a questo problema di distinzione fra le due tipi di aree non-residenti. Come si fa distinguere? In realtà la distinzione dovrebbe farla il piano regolatore tra aree produttive e aree terziario, ma spesso questa distinzione è lettera morta, permettendo, ad esempio, che un capannone industriale sfitto diventi un Lidl (esempio che ho sotto gli occhi). Quel che si può fare, in mancanza di dati certi, è valutare la preponderanza di attività e di tipologia di edifici: solitamente in una zona industriale ci sono più capannoni, in una commerciale/terziario più palazzine di uffici... Poi non è che se in una zona industriale nasce una tavola calda, quel pezzetto diventa commercial, la zona è sempre industriale. Attenzione che commercial non è commerciale, ma è uffici. Attività commerciale è retail. Penso che un landuse=commercial vada bene, ad esempio, per alcune aree nel Centro Direzionale di Milano. Nell'isolato in cui lavoro ci sono palazzi di 12 o più piani (oltre alla Torre Galfa di 30), uno solo dei quali ha per lo più abitazioni. Nel mio palazzo ci sono dodici piani di uffici e un negozio di grafica al piano terra, ed è ovviamente commercial. In quello a fianco ci sono dodici piani di abitazioni, con un paio di uffici, un ufficio postale al piano terra e un ristorante self-service sempre al piano terra; è ovviamente residential. ___ Talk-it mailing list mailto:Talk-it@openstreetmap.org Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Significa che si mette landuse sul palazzo? insieme a building=yes ? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] nascondere livelli aperti di default
2012/1/19 m.le...@tiscali.it m.le...@tiscali.it: scusate non so se è il posto adatto per chiedere, JOSM di default mi apre sempre due livelli cycles routes czech hiling trails dal momento che non servono quasi mai come faccio per fare in modo che non mi vengano proposti? probabilmente hai attivato dei relativi plugins. Proverei a disattivare questi plugins. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il giorno 19 gennaio 2012 11:27, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 19 gennaio 2012 11:22, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Perché non so bene se la produzione è fisicamente li.. Parlo della cressi e della slam che sono nello stesso capannone a genova :) poi lo cambio allora aspè landuse serve per indicare una zona industriale, se parliamo della slam in via adomoli li non mi sembra molto una zona industriale al massimo commerciale. -- ciao Luca Quella, esatto :) Cos'è e come la taggheresti? Il giorno 19 gennaio 2012 12:38, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha scritto: Significa che si mette “landuse” sul palazzo? insieme a building=yes ? Sull'area intorno, non sul palazzo.. Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
2012/1/19 Alessio Zanol nar...@infinito.it: Beh lo stesso discorso vale per moltissime zone come ad esempio i centri storici dove a piano terra ci sono i negozi e ai piani superiori gli appartamenti. Mi sembra la definizione perfetta di zona residenziale, a meno che non intendi residenziale = quartiere dormitorio ;-) Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Portici
C'è una proposta interessante in questo contesto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/building_passage Volker 2011/10/12 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2011/10/12 Alessio Zanol nar...@infinito.it: Per gli amanti del micromapping c'è anche il bellissimo tag highway=footway + footway=sidewalk per i marciapiedi. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Dsidewalk In sostanza si mappano con una way separata dalla strada. devo dire che non mi piace tantissimo questo tagging, perchè si tratta chiaramente di tagging per i routers/renderer. Altrimenti si avrebbe scelto un tag come footway=sidewalk senza il highway=footway. Il problema del highway=footway con un way separato è che sta indicando una separazione tra strada e marciapiede (altrimenti il marciapiede sarebbe incluso nel nostro datamodel come sono le corsie), ma in realtà posso attraversare la strada dove mi pare. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc...@gmail.com office phone: +39-049-829-5977 office fax +39-049-8700718 home phone: +39-049-851519 personal mobile: +39-340-1427105 skype: volker.schmidt ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il 19 gennaio 2012 13:39, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Quella, esatto :) Cos'è e come la taggheresti? l'edificio in se building più un nodo con la slam ecc ecc, l'area li intorno landuse = garages -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
Il 18/01/2012 18:32, sabas88 ha scritto: -Factory Le fabbriche si taggano con amenity=factory? Ho visto landuse=industrial ma non è il caso :) Landuse va usato per l'area: se è a prevalenza industriale landuse=industrial, se a prevalenza residenziale landuse=residential, se agricola landuse=farm/farmland/farmyard... IMHO più che ricoprire l'intera area con un unico grande poligono è meglio contornare l'isolato. Per le fabbriche: man_made=works volendo ci sarebbe anche building=industrial -Uffici pubblici Qui c'è uno spazio grigio, non si potrebbe distinguere? (anagrafe et similia). Se ne era parlato in ottobre in questa discussione [1]. Riassumendo: amenity=public_building + building=yes sull'edificio (+ operator o admin_level?) + office=administrative (o government) + name=* (es. Ufficio anagrafe) + opening_hour + birth_registration=yes (per esempio) sul nodo dell'ufficio (o direttamente sull'edificio se c'è solo quello), + level=* [2] Per esempio una questura: amenity=pubblic_building + building=yes + operator=Polizia di Stato + name=Questura di... sul poligono (+ eventuale landuse=military se c'è il cartello) office=government + passport=yes + name=Ufficio passaporti + opening_hours=* + level=* sul nodo dell'ufficio passaporti Volendo sarebbe da riunire tutto in una relation site. ciao Paolo M [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2011-October/024546.html [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Level ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
é razionale ed utile disegnarja sulla mappa. Con quali dati geografici é stata posizionata ? Il giorno 18/gen/2012 22:36, Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 18/01/2012 18:03, Elena ``of Valhalla'' ha scritto: On 2012-01-18 at 15:57:25 +0200, Edoardo Marascalchi wrote: In fondo, abbiamo mappato una... Io francamente non credo che la prevista provvisorietà di un evento (nel caso specifico, la presenza della nave) debba essere una limitazione. Più o meno come una strada chiusa per un cantiere o una deviazione sul trasporto pubblico: qualche volta la durata è talmente breve che non vale la pena metter mano alla mappa, ma se la variazione dura settimane o mesi, può aver senso modificare la mappa e poi ripristinarla quando viene meno la condizione. Ad esempio a Torino un importante sottopasso è stato chiuso per un anno abbondante per lavori, nel mentre è stato taggato come access=no. Ora è stato riaperto e si è rimosso il tag. Un routing nella zona sulle mappe di OSM non ti avrebbe invitato a fare una strada che non era accessibile. Certo non mi metterò mai a mappare dei cantierini di un giorno o due, ma un evento che modifica i dintorni per mesi invece cerco di inserirlo sempre: dopotutto a che serve poter aggiornare la mappa in real time se poi non lo si fa? Già OSM paga un pegno non indifferente come copertura di molte zone, almeno che quelle coperte riflettano una situazione più vera di una normale mappa commerciale. -- Maurizio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org ht... ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Portici
Il 19/01/2012 14:29, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: C'è una proposta interessante in questo contesto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/building_passage Volker tunnel=building_arcade ?! IMHO non possono essere classificati come tunnel. Semmai covered=building_passage (+ footway=yes) covered=building_arcade (+ footway=yes) ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pedestrian a Venezia
Il 16/01/2012 13:12, totera ha scritto: Paolo Monegato wrote Se si vuole sistemare adesso bisognerebbe eliminare ciò che c'è e rifarlo ex-novo, il che non mi sembra molto corretto nei confronti di chi ha contribuito (ricordo che alla fine del processo resterà anche un planet in cc-by-sa per eventuali fork). Al di là della situazione di Venezia, mi sembra che l'orientamento generale sia quello opposto, e cioè di rimappare tutto il prima possibile per evitare grosse perdite al momento del cambio (c'è un please help remapping sulla home del wiki, sono stati sviluppati i vari strumenti di aiuto...). Ciao, Gianluca Quindi suggeriresti per esempio di cancellare già adesso tutti i contributi veneziani di B10xyz e B10xxx e mettersi a rifare tutto? ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Portici
Se ho capito bene la proposta, si tratta di highway=footway tunnel=building_arcade building_arcade:right=open al posto di highway=footway tunnel=yes Mi va bene anche covered - non importa Volker On 19 January 2012 15:04, Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com wrote: Il 19/01/2012 14:29, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: C'è una proposta interessante in questo contesto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/** building_passagehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/building_passage Volker tunnel=building_arcade ?! IMHO non possono essere classificati come tunnel. Semmai covered=building_passage (+ footway=yes) covered=building_arcade (+ footway=yes) ciao Paolo M __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Volker SCHMIDT Via Vecchia 18/ter 35127 Padova Italy mailto:vosc...@gmail.com office phone: +39-049-829-5977 office fax +39-049-8700718 home phone: +39-049-851519 personal mobile: +39-340-1427105 skype: volker.schmidt ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
da GE blog: http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2012/01/satellite_imagery_of_the_cruise_shi.html michele ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 15:32, Michele Zanin micza...@gmail.com wrote: da GE blog: http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2012/01/satellite_imagery_of_the_cruise_shi.html mmm ... ora mi chiedo se c'è violazione di licenza ... Nei sei sicuro deriva da li? Bisogna sentire chi lo ha fatto. Dal post leggo che l'immagine è di digitalglobe Le cui policies dicono http://www.digitalglobe.com/policies/usage Editorial Use Only Attribution Rules No Alternation Limited Grant of Rights anche se ho il dubbio del discorso del ricalco, da cui è stato creato poi questo KML http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2012/01/18/DigitalGlobe%20-%20Costa%20Concordia.kml Mi rincuora di più leggere l'ultima frase Thanks to the generosity of the folks at CleanCruising.com.au, they've allowed Paul and PlanetInAction.com to release a full KMZ file of the stricken ship, which you can download in this KMZ file. http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2012/01/18/Costa%20Concordia%20on%20the%20rocks.kmz Paul's model is amazingly accurate, and he includes various notes in the file to show the path of the ship. ... ma alla fine sempre google vince ... ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
2012/1/19 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: La distinzione fra zona industriale e commerciale è notoriamente difficile. Lavoro nel bel mezzo della Zona Industriale di Padova (ZIP) ma è un miscuglio fra ditte produttrici di qualcosa, di ditte che vendono qualcosa all'ingrosso e al dettagli, secondome non è un problema: - se una ditta produce - landuse=industrial - per un magazino/centro di distribuzione - landuse=industrial - se una ditta vende al dettaglio (sopratutto / unicamente) - landuse=retail - se si tratta di un centro amministrativo (senza produzione) - landuse=commercial - se si tratta di una fabbrica con amministrazione integrata nel sito - landuse=industrial - se nel caso precedente si riesce a distinguere amministrazione e produzione - 2 landuse diversi tanti uffici (per esempio la motorizzazione civile di Padova), ristoranti ed alberghi e ricerca (dove lavoro io). landuse=commercial Come si fa distinguere? connoscendo la zona e le attività che si svolgono. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Su relazioni, fabbriche e uffici pubblici
2012/1/19 Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com: volendo ci sarebbe anche building=industrial si, ma non è molto specifico. Se avete connoscenza più profonda farei distinzione tra produzione e magazzinaggio ( o quello che è). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
2012/1/19 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: mmm ... ora mi chiedo se c'è violazione di licenza ... Nei sei sicuro deriva da li? Bisogna sentire chi lo ha fatto. credo di aver visto che deriva da un imagine creative commons. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pedestrian a Venezia
2012/1/19 Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com: Quindi suggeriresti per esempio di cancellare già adesso tutti i contributi veneziani di B10xyz e B10xxx e mettersi a rifare tutto? Ho scritto a B10xyz sperando che mi risponde (l'ho connosciuto di persona a Berlino), se intendesse di eventualmente dire si (si può sempre fare), e che altrimenti andremmo a cancellare già ora i suoi contributi a Venezia. Vediamo se risponde e come. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
2012/1/19 Michele Zanin micza...@gmail.com: da GE blog: http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2012/01/satellite_imagery_of_the_cruise_shi.html Spererei di no: http://www.digitalglobe.com/policies/usage Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
source=Digitalglobe Aerial Imagery ? 2012/1/19 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com http://www.digitalglobe.com/policies/usage Editorial Use Only: “editorial use” is limited to a publication relating to a newsworthy event, or which is otherwise in the public interest. Attribution Rules All DigitalGlobe products published or otherwise used pursuant to these Usage Rules must be attributed to DigitalGlobe as follows: For print, presentation and web materials: Credit to DigitalGlobe must appear next to or beneath the photo. For broadcast: Credit to DigitalGlobe must appear on-screen throughout the entire air-time of the product Leggendo questo, si uò utilizzare, ma bisognerebbe mettere i credits a DigitalGlobe sulla mappa. In che forma si fa? Volker ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
2012/1/19 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: http://www.digitalglobe.com/policies/usage Editorial Use Only: “editorial use” is limited to a publication relating to a newsworthy event, or which is otherwise in the public interest. Attribution Rules All DigitalGlobe products published or otherwise used pursuant to these Usage Rules must be attributed to DigitalGlobe as follows: For print, presentation and web materials: Credit to DigitalGlobe must appear next to or beneath the photo. For broadcast: Credit to DigitalGlobe must appear on-screen throughout the entire air-time of the product Leggendo questo, si uò utilizzare, ma bisognerebbe mettere i credits a DigitalGlobe sulla mappa. In che forma si fa? IANAL, ma non parla di opere derivate. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
2012/1/19 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Leggendo questo, si uò utilizzare, ma bisognerebbe mettere i credits a DigitalGlobe sulla mappa. In che forma si fa? si può fare in qualsiasi forma, basta associare l'informazione della fonte all'uso (qui: edit), quindi direi il changeset-comment sarebbe il posto migliore. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pedestrian a Venezia
Il 19/01/2012 16:25, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2012/1/19 Paolo Monegatogato.selvad...@gmail.com: Quindi suggeriresti per esempio di cancellare già adesso tutti i contributi veneziani di B10xyz e B10xxx e mettersi a rifare tutto? Ho scritto a B10xyz sperando che mi risponde (l'ho connosciuto di persona a Berlino), se intendesse di eventualmente dire si (si può sempre fare), e che altrimenti andremmo a cancellare già ora i suoi contributi a Venezia. Vediamo se risponde e come. ciao, Martin Bene, vediamo cosa dice (e soprattutto se risponde). ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Portici
2012/1/19 Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com: Mi va bene anche covered - non importa Quel che criticavo era l'uso di tunnel. Per il resto mi pare vada bene. ciao si, meglio covered che tunnel, e dovrebbe anche distinguere tra un colonnato ed una arcada (?) --- quest'ultimo dovrebbe essere portico in italiano, ma fatto per forza di archi. ciao, Martin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_(architecture) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonnade ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] zone a traffico limitato
per le zone residenziali a traffico limitato ztl basta mettere residential designated e nodo con telecamera? Per i divieti di accesso per i non residenti? Sempre designated Per i divieti ai camion di passare in tale zona? spezificare solo auto? Ciao ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] rimozione costa concordia
Io prima chiederei a chi ha tracciato se effettivamente ha preso i dati da lì...non è che abbia semplicemente tracciato a spanne la nave? Il giorno 19/gen/2012 17:16, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: source=Digitalglobe Aerial Imagery ? 2012/1/19 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com http://www.digitalglobe.com/policies/usage Editorial Use Only: “editorial use” is limited to a publication relating to a newsworthy event, or which is otherwise in the public interest. Attribution Rules All DigitalGlobe products published or otherwise used pursuant to these Usage Rules must be attributed to DigitalGlobe as follows: For print, presentation and web materials: Credit to DigitalGlobe must appear next to or beneath the photo. For broadcast: Credit to DigitalGlobe must appear on-screen throughout the entire air-time of the product Leggendo questo, si uò utilizzare, ma bisognerebbe mettere i credits a DigitalGlobe sulla mappa. In che forma si fa? Volker ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it