Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

[Bryan Housel]

I’d tag as `abandoned:power=minor_line` since you said it is down in places.  

It is impossible to tell from the picture what its original purpose was, but 
this doesn’t matter much if you just want to get it mapped.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Apower%3Dminor_line


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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Any idea whether this is an old powerline or an old phone line?  Photo is 
> geotagged, so if you download it and drop it into JOSM you can see the larger 
> context.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6cMueDbGJPdz8Es77
> 
> It is near the location of this node:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/51241693
> 
> It runs for many km more or less along the track that above node is part of.
> 
> Wire is bare uninsulated. Most, or perhaps all, poles are still standing.  
> Wire is down in places.
> 
> How would you recommend mapping/tagging?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> 
> Mike
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Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

[Bryan Housel]

They could all have `operator:wikidata=Q7414497`, then there is no confusion.  

A dataset of all operators in OSM linked to wikidata QIDs will be coming soon, 
I promise! 

We already have this for brands, and it’s pretty rad:  https://nsi.guide


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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way that the alt_name vs name situation can be sorted for a key 
> like "operator"?
> 
> For example, the "San Jose Unified School District" in California gives too 
> few results in overpass. Add queries for "San José Unified School District" 
> and you are good.
> 
> If I was looking at the district, it would work to have the name without the 
> accent as "name" and then, without the accent, it would be the "alt_name".
> 
> But there is no "operator" or "alt_operator" tag on the schools, so I guess I 
> keep having to use this?
> 
> [out:json][timeout:25];
> // gather results
> (
>   // query part for: “operator="San Jose Unified School District"”
>   node["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>   way["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>   relation["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>   node["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>   way["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>   relation["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
> );
> // print results
> out body;
> >;
> out skel qt;
> 
> cheers - ray
> 
> 
>> On 12/27/19 9:57 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> Thanks, Tod.
>> 
>> BTW, I believe the "official_name" for all California counties is now
>> in the format "County of Los Angeles", right? This shouldn't be used
>> for the "name=" since almost everyone still puts the County last (e.g.
>> "Los Angeles County") in common usage, but official documents will use
>> the other way with "of" in the middle.
>> 
>> Joseph Eisenberg
>> 
>>> On 12/28/19, Tod Fitch  wrote:
>>> Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are
>>> doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value
>>> to be a short_name value for the counties in California and Arizona where
>>> the current alt_name tag is the same string as the name but without a “
>>> County” suffix. For example:
>>> 
>>> alt_name=“Los Angeles”
>>> name=“Los Angeles County”
>>> 
>>> Changed to
>>> 
>>> name=“Los Angeles County”
>>> short_name=“Los Angeles”
>>> 
>>> From my side this is now just a desire to be logical and consistent (not
>>> always a trait seen in OSM tagging). My initial annoyance has been dealt
>>> with on my topo map rendering by creating a Postgresql function that, among
>>> other things, will ignore alt_name values if they fit the above criteria. As
>>> noted by Joseph Eisenberg, the alt_name/short_name value could probably be
>>> dropped in these cases but I suspect that will get more push back than
>>> changing the tag.
>>> 
>>> — Tod
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Joseph Eisenberg 
 wrote:
 
 It's not necessary to add an alternative like "Josephine" if the name=
 is already "Josephine County" because geocoding and search application
 already know to search for part of a name.
 
 For example this search already finds the "Josephine County"
 administrative boundary as the first result:
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Josephine - and there is no
 short alt_name or short_name.
 
 So I think there is no reason to have this information duplicated if
 we are just worried about search.
 
 -Joseph Eisenberg
 
 On 12/27/19, stevea  wrote:
> I truly love the level of detail we get "coming out of the woodwork" so
> that
> we may have excellent real-life examples to share with one another (and
> +1
> to one another, too!)
> 
> To be brief about it (rare for me, I endeavor to get better):  good
> examples, discussion / dialog and sharing our real-world experiences and
> knowledge is only going to help things.  If somebody reading now has a
> more-concrete understanding of differences between old-, alt-,
> official-,
> and so on, hooray.  If such sharper focus finds its way into a
> more-enlightened sentence or paragraph in a wiki, great.
> 
> Chip, chip, chipping away at it (are all of us),
> SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

[Bryan Housel]

>> 
>> The decisions we make in iD with the tags are mostly because 1. someone 
>> asked us to in a ticket or pull request, and we try to give people what they 
>> want..  or 2. we are trying to solve an actual problem - for example, the 
>> explicit tagging of piers and platforms came from us trying to detect 
>> routing islands (we rolled this back when people complained).  
> Well that is a -slight- simplification of what happened. We can
> partially follow it here
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/6409#issuecomment-494888256
> Except that we don't even know why in the end the changes were reverted,
> insight? External pressure? Or what? Obviously it wasn't just people
> complaining or else it would have been far earlier.

I said why here:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/2267 



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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

[Bryan Housel]

Simon you’re completely wrong about this, but I doubt there is anything that I 
can say that would change your mind.  The "US-corporate bubble" does not care 
about the tags used by the iD presets as much as you think they do.  

The decisions we make in iD with the tags are mostly because 1. someone asked 
us to in a ticket or pull request, and we try to give people what they want..  
or 2. we are trying to solve an actual problem - for example, the explicit 
tagging of piers and platforms came from us trying to detect routing islands 
(we rolled this back when people complained).  

Anyway, good luck with tagging.  When you frame the discussion this way, don’t 
be surprised when we are reluctant to participate.

Bryan



> On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
> 
> Roland
> 
> I can't help noticing that you are tiptoeing a bit around the actual
> issue which started the whole discussion: unilateral changes by the iD
> maintainers (everybody else doesn't have enough leverage to enforce
> their position, so it is not me specifically picking on them, it is
> simply a consequence of the power they can wield). And these changes are
> not just questions of which tags to use, but far more fundamental
> questions, for example implicit vs. explicit tagging (which seems to be
> something the US-corporate bubble whispered to them, likely that unknown
> organisations holding the purse strings).
> 
> If you don't address that I'm not quite sure what the point of the whole
> discussion is.
> 
> Simon
> 
> Am 10.09.2019 um 06:50 schrieb Roland Olbricht:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have got into the duty to talk about tagging governance on the SotM
>> and I would like to develop that opportunity towards something that is
>> rather helpful in the long term.
>> To ensure that I am on the right track and not unintentionally after a
>> personal agenda I would like to ask you to comment on the findings so
>> far listed below.
>> 
>> To encourage a widespread discussion, I have spread this message on
>> German and French lists as well (these two because I understand the
>> languages) and will do so in addition on the tagging list. Feel free to
>> spread this message further as long as you remember to channel back all
>> feedback.
>> 
>> 
>> Imperfect Flow of Information
>> 
>> Although many parts of the OpenStreetMap project are well translated,
>> the tagging documentation has substantial deficiencies. Over a random
>> sample of 10 tags the number of declared languages varies between 2 and
>> 18, but only few are complete and up to date (sample: 2 of 10 for
>> German, 3 of 10 for French).
>> 
>> Another kind of imperfect information flow is that tag definitions can
>> be changed on the wiki page long after the tag is in widespread use.
>> 
>> The converse case that a tag is introduced without any documentation is
>> also happening. While this happens by ordinary users usually slow enough
>> to make sense of the added data, an import or organized edit might be
>> able to substantially skew the de facto meaning of a tag, regardless
>> whether it is in widespread use, documented, both, or none.
>> 
>> 
>> More Structure needed
>> 
>> The translation issues have been conflated with a different problem:
>> Different features may look very different between regions. E.g.
>> highway=primary and highway=unclassfied versus highway=track
>> need different sets of examples in Germany and the urban US on the one
>> hand and Iceland or rural Africa on the other. It is easy to mix this
>> with the translation into the predominant language in the area,
>> but the tagging challenges in Belgium, Canada, and Niger are
>> substantially different, although all three countries happen to have
>> French as official language. Conversely, there is no sane reason to
>> change tagging rules every block of houses in Brussels.
>> 
>> Additionally, people often have different search terms than the British
>> English tag names or their translations, and the wiki search engine is
>> infamous for its bad performance. Having explicit keywords to direct the
>> attention of a mapper to the list of possibly fitting tags might help.
>> 
>> A substantial problem source of the concept of proposals is
>> that it interacts with lots of tags in a nontrivial way and is
>> practically never properly applied to all affected tag definitions.
>> A proposal currently is an extra page although it should have much more
>> an impact like a Git commit, grouping changes across various tag
>> definition pages in a single changeset.
>> 
>> 
>> Legitimacy and Governance
>> 
>> What legitimation has a process if only a handful of people have that
>> have the time to write mails on a mailing list and to write wiki pages
>> are involved? In particular, if the proposals end up as being full of
>> contradictions or vague terms and leave necessary answers undefined.
>> Yet these still are the people that have shown the necessary long-term
>> endurance to assure maintenance and that 

Re: [OSM-talk] Way to delete buildings added by specific user, or help reverting?

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks, yes that is nicer.
It might not matter though. They seem to have stopped mapping a month ago.

Their last changeset was:
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70992703 
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70992703>
which looks like just some normal landuse cleanup stuff:  
  https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/70992703/ 
<https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/70992703/>

Where “Verdan V” commented:
  "Ti crtaš gluposti, ja ih u sekundi obrišem pa da vidimo tko će duže 
izdržati."

Which translates as: 
  "You draw nonsense, I wipe them in seconds to see who's going to handle it 
any longer.”

Dunno how you feel about that, but.. I can’t blame them for quitting.




> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:53 PM, hbogner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bryan
> 
> I created additional comment on the changeset inviting that user to contact 
> OpenStreetMap Croatia community if he needs some assistance and guidance. Is 
> that better?
> 
> We are small community and we mostly know each other either in person or over 
> other means of communication on that list, but nobody knows that user.
> 
> Also he/she never replied to other users direct messages via OSM web, 
> offering help and asking to stop copy/paste buildings, or messing landuses.
> 
> Regards, Hrvoje Bogner
> 
> On 08. 07. 2019. 21:36, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> hbonger, your comment here is not very nice.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56552674 
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56552674>
>> Reviewing their edits on OSMCha, most of their edits don’t look too bad
>> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/69561377?filters=%7B%22users%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Venko%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22Venko%22%7D%5D%2C%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%22%7D%5D%7D
>>  
>> <https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/69561377?filters=%7B%22users%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Venko%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22Venko%22%7D%5D%2C%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%22%7D%5D%7D><https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/69561377?filters=
>>  
>> <https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/69561377?filters=>{"users":[{"label":"Venko","value":"Venko"}],"date__gte":[{"label":"","value":""}]}>
>> Maybe you should try being nicer to them and they might care about the map 
>> more.  Comments like yours ripple outwards and affect the rest of the OSM 
>> project negatively.. Calling some’s edit “bullshit” is not going to get them 
>> to draw better buildings.
>> Just saying - be nicer, thanks.
>> Bryan
>>> On Jul 8, 2019, at 2:57 PM, hbogner >> <mailto:hbogner+n...@gmail.com> <mailto:hbogner+n...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:hbogner+n...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to delete buildings created by specific user?
>>> 
>>> Some users already complained about 
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Venko to me for inaccurate mapping and 
>>> imaginary mapping. They wrote to him, but he didn't reply or stop.
>>> 
>>> Here is an example on which I just stumbled:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/45.52874/15.48285=N
>>> 
>>> He copy/pasted one building all over the place.
>>> 
>>> I tried to revert the changeset, but there are too many conflicts.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions how to fix this mess?
>>> 
>>> regards, Hrvoje
>>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Way to delete buildings added by specific user, or help reverting?

[Bryan Housel]

hbonger, your comment here is not very nice.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56552674 


Reviewing their edits on OSMCha, most of their edits don’t look too bad
https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/69561377?filters=%7B%22users%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22Venko%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22Venko%22%7D%5D%2C%22date__gte%22%3A%5B%7B%22label%22%3A%22%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22%22%7D%5D%7D
 


Maybe you should try being nicer to them and they might care about the map 
more.  Comments like yours ripple outwards and affect the rest of the OSM 
project negatively.. Calling some’s edit “bullshit” is not going to get them to 
draw better buildings.

Just saying - be nicer, thanks.
Bryan




> On Jul 8, 2019, at 2:57 PM, hbogner  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Is there a way to delete buildings created by specific user?
> 
> Some users already complained about https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Venko 
> to me for inaccurate mapping and imaginary mapping. They wrote to him, but he 
> didn't reply or stop.
> 
> Here is an example on which I just stumbled:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/45.52874/15.48285=N
> 
> He copy/pasted one building all over the place.
> 
> I tried to revert the changeset, but there are too many conflicts.
> 
> Any suggestions how to fix this mess?
> 
> regards, Hrvoje
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Anyone who likes to organize an ID discussion panel at SotM?

[Bryan Housel]

Christine.. 

We mustn't define “the community” as the few remaining handful of people who 
have not yet been driven off the mailing lists by persistent abusers and trolls.

I am very aware of what people are saying about iD on all discussion channels.  
I read all of it, even the stuff written in other languages, and even archives 
of mailing lists that I’ve long unsubscribed from.

I encourage everyone to not put too much stock into what “the community” of 
mailing list haters thinks about iD.  It’s the same dozen or so people who have 
never liked me or iD much anyway.

I meet with stakeholders every week about the improvements we’ve made in iD, 
and I’m proud of the work that our small team has been able to accomplish with 
each new release.  Right now there are 1000s of people editing with iD (most 
volunteering, but some paid) who will never stop by mailing list or a GitHub 
thread.  They far outnumber the voices that you hear on `talk` or `tagging`.

In large part because of the escalating negativity, I will not be attending 
State of the Map.  

My strong recommendation to you is to fill the program with content that 
encourages community health, inspires people to be better to one another, and 
celebrates the great things people are building with OpenStreetMap.

Thanks, Bryan
❤️, 



> On May 29, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Christine Karch  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> reading the discussions about the direction of ID development and how
> the community wants the ID at the OSM website I had the idea that there
> could perhaps be a panel at SotM. Does anyone want to organize an ID
> discussion panel at SotM? Please tell me or us (program committee in CC)
> and we can consider it. At the moment it would be sufficient to have
> someone (or more) who wants to organize it. All details could be defined
> later.
> 
> As ID is a core feature at the OSM website I think this would be
> suitable for the main program at SotM.
> 
> Additionally it is always possible to organize informal meetings, panels
> during SotM in the unconference space (we will provide a lot of it).
> 
> By the way ticket sales is open. The Early Bird phase is until 7 July.
> Program announcement will be around 20 June.
> 
> We will have our schedule meeting at 8 June. So it would be good to know
> if an ID panel should be planned. Details for the program booklet should
> be provided until end of July.
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] motel vs. hotel

[Bryan Housel]

Good question!
As others have said - hotels have rooms that open indoors, motels have rooms 
that open outdoors.  That’s the only difference.

I did a bit of research on this last year for 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index 
 because we are using this 
project to capture the recommended tagging for all the brands of the world.

Check out the hotel/motel files here if you are curious!
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/tree/master/brands/tourism 


For example:
Super 8 is almost always tagged as `tourism=motel`, and Travelodge is almost 
always tagged as `tourism=hotel`, even though both brands often exist in either 
kind of building.

I think this is one of those tags where it really doesn’t matter much which one 
people use.

Bryan



> On Mar 8, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
> 
> How do you distinguish between the tourism=hotel and tourism=motel tags?
> 
> The criteria that I was imagining is that a motel is a single story building 
> where you have the ability to park you car directly outside of your room. A 
> hotel would be other types of buildings such as multi-story where most guests 
> cannot park directly outside their room.
> 
> There's the curious case of the two Motel 6 facilities directly across the 
> road from each other.  I had marked these as tourism=hotel based on the 
> building architecture, but maybe all Motel 6's should be tourism=motel?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1645570 
> 
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-us] Fixing intersection OSMAnd treats as roundabout?

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for asking, I.AM..

The Northeast Parkway here should really be split at the intersection.  It is 
currently mapped as a single long road.  I’ll fix this now.

If you are interested in more reading about mapping best practices, Mapbox has 
made their team mapping guides available here:
  https://labs.mapbox.com/mapping/   
This guide covers a lot of situations like the one you shared (intersection of 
dual carriageways)

Also I encourage you to join the OSM US Slack here:  
https://slack.openstreetmap.us/ 
There are lots of people on there that are happy to answer questions about how 
to map, and eager to fix things!
You will get a better response there than on the mailing list.

Thanks, and happy mapping!
Bryan




> On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:58 PM, I. Am  wrote:
> 
> Intersection location: Lat 35.12780 Lon -80.69922
> 
> I'm guessing a traffic light should be removed or the triangle arrangement 
> modified, but 10 minutes of searching didn't reveal the best fix. Help?
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Re: [Talk-us] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in USA

[Bryan Housel]

Replacing the deprecated `wikipedia:en` tags with newer `wikipedia` tags sounds 
like a great idea.  As mentioned on Slack, I agree that if you can add 
`wikidata` tags at the same time, even better.

Thank you for your work on this!
Bryan



> On Feb 26, 2019, at 7:51 AM, Mateusz Konieczny  
> wrote:
> 
> Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in value.
> 
> For example "wikipedia:en=Kansas" is an old style link, while 
> "wikipedia=en:Kansas"
> is a form that is currently standard.
> 
> Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style manually 
> is
> boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.
> 
> Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what means 
> that this data
> is harder to process for editors and data consumers.
> 
> Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially less 
> experienced.
> 
> Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace old-style 
> Wikipedia links
> with current style of Wikipedia links.
> 
> Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not make the 
> edit without a clear
> support so please comment if you think that it is a good idea and if you 
> think that it should not be done.
> 
> Plan is as follows:
> 
> I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes wrong I 
> will fix it.
> 
> Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not 
> conflicting with existing wikipedia=* 
> or wikidata=* tag or other old-style wikipedia tags.
> 
> Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans, 
> animals, plants, events etc) 
> are also skipped
> 
> Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to avoid 
> edits spanning 
> across large areas (it is impossible in cases where edited object itself 
> spans very large area)
> 
> After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.
> 
> This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new old-style 
> wikipedia links appear.
> 
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> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_USA
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> 
> 
> I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run in 
> Poland to remove
> more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was completed without any 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:barrier=kerb

[Bryan Housel]

The arrows indicate the “down” direction alongside certain kinds of ways.
For example, cliffs, coastlines, retaining walls, kerbs, guard rails, 
embankments.

If the arrows are pointing to the “up” side instead of the “down” side, you can 
reverse the way.

Thanks, Bryan



> On Dec 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see something (new?) which I haven't seen before. Small white arrows with 
> the tag:barrier=kerb when editing with ID. What do the arrows indicate? I 
> don't see a reference on the wiki.
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Reminder: Please vote in the OSMF board election!

[Bryan Housel]

Oh one other thing I forgot to mention... When you cast your vote, you will 
need JavaScript enabled in your browser, and you may need to disable your ad 
blocker in order to view the candidates in the voting panel. 



> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Bryan Housel  wrote:
> 
> Hey Talk-US!
> 
> If you’ve joined the OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) and your membership is 
> in good standing you should have received a ballot to vote in the OSMF Board 
> Election.  The ballot would arrive in your email from opavote, and the 
> deadline to cast your ballot is Saturday 15th December, 16:00 UTC.
> 
> OpenStreetMap is run by volunteers, but the OSMF guides and directs many 
> aspects of the project.  If you care about OSM, the annual board election is 
> your opportunity to make sure that the leadership of OSMF represents you and 
> your values.
> 
> There are 7 candidates running and 2 board seats available.  You can read all 
> about the candidates here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM18/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos
>  
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM18/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos>
> 
> The election uses a system called Single Transferable Vote (STV), which 
> allows you to rank your candidates in order of preference.
> Read more about STV here:  
> https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv 
> <https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv>
> Or watch this fun video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrNejaszSE4 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrNejaszSE4> 
> 
> You can also learn more about the OSMF mission here:  
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Mission_Statement 
> <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Mission_Statement>
> 
> 
> Thanks!
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[Talk-us] Reminder: Please vote in the OSMF board election!

[Bryan Housel]

Hey Talk-US!

If you’ve joined the OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) and your membership is in 
good standing you should have received a ballot to vote in the OSMF Board 
Election.  The ballot would arrive in your email from opavote, and the deadline 
to cast your ballot is Saturday 15th December, 16:00 UTC.

OpenStreetMap is run by volunteers, but the OSMF guides and directs many 
aspects of the project.  If you care about OSM, the annual board election is 
your opportunity to make sure that the leadership of OSMF represents you and 
your values.

There are 7 candidates running and 2 board seats available.  You can read all 
about the candidates here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM18/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos
 


The election uses a system called Single Transferable Vote (STV), which allows 
you to rank your candidates in order of preference.
Read more about STV here:  
https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv 

Or watch this fun video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrNejaszSE4 
 

You can also learn more about the OSMF mission here:  
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[OSM-talk] iD news - 2.12.0 released 

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Last week, after several months of work, we released iD v2.12.0 for editing 
OpenStreetMap.
I hope you like it!  Here are some of the highlights from the release:

✌️  2-finger pan and zoom gestures
Mac users can now use 2 finger trackpad gestures to pan and zoom the map.
Try swiping with 2 fingers to pan, or pinching out/in to zoom and unzoom. 
You'll be less likely to accidentally drag nodes!

  Directional way markers
iD now draws triangular markers on the "down" side of ways where the direction 
matters. Thanks, Huon Wilson for this feature!
Ways with a direction include cliffs, coastlines, retaining walls, kerbs, guard 
rails, embankments.

↔️  Resizable sidebar
You can now resize the sidebar, or hide it completely. Shout out to Quincy 
Morgan for his work on this!
Try dragging the sidebar to resize it, or click the hide button in the top 
toolbar. The top bar buttons can also shrink on narrower screens.

  Brand Name Suggestions
We've released a huge upgrade to the brand name suggestions in iD. Thank you to 
everyone who volunteered to match brand names to their proper OpenStreetMap 
tags.  Follow the brand name suggestion project here:  
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index 

Try adding some branded businesses to the map - `brand`, `brand:wikidata`, and 
other tags will be set for you.

  More Wikidata integration 
iD now displays linked data if a feature has a wikidata tag, and will protect 
fields like name and brand from direct editing.
Make sure prominent features have a Wikidata tag, for added protection against 
accidental changes.

  More features for working with relations
Hovering over a relation or member in the sidebar will highlight it on the map. 
You can also download incomplete sections, and zoom to inspect relation 
children. Thanks, Quincy Morgan!
Check out the "All Relations" and "All Members" sections of the sidebar to try 
out the new relation editing tools.

‍  Hacktoberfest happened! 
We merged 40 pull requests during the month of October. Thank you to all of our 
new contributors!


As always, the update includes many other usability improvements and new 
presets - check out the changelog for all the details.
(It’s pretty epic, thanks to the dozens of people who worked on this release!)

Changelog: 
v2.12.0 changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#2120 


Twitter:
v2.12.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1070068684297768960 
  
Quincy shows off the new features:  
https://twitter.com/quincylvania/status/1070176229620244481 


Reddit:
Thread:  
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/a39y2b/the_new_features_of_id_2120_in_one_twitter_thread/
 



Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD 
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
 for the latest iD news. 

Thank you!
❤️ Bryan, and the rest of the  team.

P.S.
We are getting together in NYC to hack on iD during the week of Dec 17-21 at 
the Facebook office.  Space is limited, so please private message me if you 
want to attend!  We also have started a bi-weekly sync for the core development 
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[Talk-us] iD news - 2.12.0 released 

[Bryan Housel]

Last week, after several months of work, we released iD v2.12.0 for editing 
OpenStreetMap.
I hope you like it!  Here are some of the highlights from the release:

✌️  2-finger pan and zoom gestures
Mac users can now use 2 finger trackpad gestures to pan and zoom the map.
Try swiping with 2 fingers to pan, or pinching out/in to zoom and unzoom. 
You'll be less likely to accidentally drag nodes!

  Directional way markers
iD now draws triangular markers on the "down" side of ways where the direction 
matters. Thanks, Huon Wilson for this feature!
Ways with a direction include cliffs, coastlines, retaining walls, kerbs, guard 
rails, embankments.

↔️  Resizable sidebar
You can now resize the sidebar, or hide it completely. Shout out to Quincy 
Morgan for his work on this!
Try dragging the sidebar to resize it, or click the hide button in the top 
toolbar. The top bar buttons can also shrink on narrower screens.

  Brand Name Suggestions
We've released a huge upgrade to the brand name suggestions in iD. Thank you to 
everyone who volunteered to match brand names to their proper OpenStreetMap 
tags.  Follow the brand name suggestion project here:  
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index 

Try adding some branded businesses to the map - `brand`, `brand:wikidata`, and 
other tags will be set for you.

  More Wikidata integration 
iD now displays linked data if a feature has a wikidata tag, and will protect 
fields like name and brand from direct editing.
Make sure prominent features have a Wikidata tag, for added protection against 
accidental changes.

  More features for working with relations
Hovering over a relation or member in the sidebar will highlight it on the map. 
You can also download incomplete sections, and zoom to inspect relation 
children. Thanks, Quincy Morgan!
Check out the "All Relations" and "All Members" sections of the sidebar to try 
out the new relation editing tools.

‍  Hacktoberfest happened! 
We merged 40 pull requests during the month of October. Thank you to all of our 
new contributors!


As always, the update includes many other usability improvements and new 
presets - check out the changelog for all the details.
(It’s pretty epic, thanks to the dozens of people who worked on this release!)

Changelog: 
v2.12.0 changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#2120 


Twitter:
v2.12.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1070068684297768960 
  
Quincy shows off the new features:  
https://twitter.com/quincylvania/status/1070176229620244481 


Reddit:
Thread:  
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/a39y2b/the_new_features_of_id_2120_in_one_twitter_thread/
 



Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD 
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
 for the latest iD news. 

Thank you!
❤️ Bryan, and the rest of the  team.

P.S.
We are getting together in NYC to hack on iD during the week of Dec 17-21 at 
the Facebook office.  Space is limited, so please private message me if you 
want to attend!  We also have started a bi-weekly sync for the core development 
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Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:37 PM Bryan Housel  <mailto:bhou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Can’t a motorway begin or end at an at-grade intersection though?
> 
> No, I don't think so.  It's at least not a freeway traffic pattern on the 
> side heading towards the intersection.

I do understand your point, but a dozen or so people on talk-us and the six or 
so people on that changeset 64919426 discussion all disagree with you.  Is 
there nothing that would make you reconsider? 

The “freeway traffic pattern” is just a guide, right?  I’m sure you wouldn’t 
downgrade motorways around stuff like toll plazas and bridge/tunnel approaches 
just because the traffic slows down there..

>  
> What you did by classifying it “trunk” back to the Apache Street interchange 
> just looks weird.
> 
> So why should we tag for the renderer?

In this case, the renderer is correct, and it’s making your unusual tagging 
preference stand out clearly on the map.
Would you at least consider tagging the last 500 feet or so as motorway_link?

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Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

[Bryan Housel]

Can’t a motorway begin or end at an at-grade intersection though?

What you did by classifying it “trunk” back to the Apache Street interchange 
just looks weird.
Sorry, but I have to disagree, and would leave it as a motorway up to 
Gilcrease, then trunk beyond that point.

For comparison, our Garden State Parkway in NJ ends at an at grade intersection 
at Exit 0 in Cape May, and I think this is fine.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4904630893#map=17/38.96139/-74.90345 


Thanks, Bryan



> On Nov 28, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Can I get some voice of reason in 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/64919426 
> ?  There seems to be quite 
> a few people (and one AARoads forum troll egging it on) that are trying to 
> propel the idea that motorways have at-grade intersections, which is 
> obviously incorrect.
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Re: [Talk-us] Thoughts on a standard "ref" abbreviation for PA Turnpike?

[Bryan Housel]

Sounds good to me - I think the PATP abbreviation is easy to understand. 

Thanks, Bryan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Albert Pundt  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone object to the use of "PATP" as the ref equivalent for the PA 
> Turnpike? Particularly for destination:ref tags, as the Turnpike keystone 
> shield is used on most guide signs for ramps onto the Turnpike. However, 
> since it's not used as a reassurance marker*, I don't think it should be 
> added as a ref tag on the ways (i.e. ref=I 76;PATP) as is done on the New 
> Jersey Turnpike, which does have its shield on pull-through signs and similar.
> 
> This sort of abbreviation is already standard practice in New Jersey (for the 
> NJTP, GSP, and ACE) and New York (all the parkways), which have standard 
> shields used on guide signs.
> 
> This would apply to the mainline (I-76 and I-276) and the Northeast Extension 
> (I-476), but not the newer four extensions (PA Tpke 43, 66, 576, and I-376).
> 
> *There is now one set of signs eastbound on the mainline PA Turnpike 
> approaching the Willow Grove (PA 611) interchange that has the PA Turnpike 
> shield on the pull-through side. However, this was put up within the past two 
> months and is not nearly common enough to base system-wide practice on.
> 
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[OSM-talk] Please help with name-suggestion-index project!

[Bryan Housel]

Hey OSM!  I have a project called `name-suggestion-index` that I could use help 
with…
You can even get some free stuff if you sign up on 
https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/ 
  with your GitHub account.

Go to this project:   https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index 

I need help matching all the commonly named brands in OpenStreetMap to Wikidata 
ids.

For each one that we haven’t matched already, I’ve opened an issue.
For each issue, someone needs to look up on Google or Wikipedia whether that 
thing really is a brand.
If so, add the `brand:wikidata` and `brand:wikipedia` tags.  And if not, add a 
regex to discard it from the index.  

Then send a pull request to close the issue.
If you send 5 pull requests in October, you’ll get some swag from Hacktoberfest 


It doesn’t take a lot of time, and it’s a great way to help OSM and learn about 
GitHub and Open Source.  There are thousands of open issues and I’d appreciate 
all the help I can get!

Thanks  
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Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

[Bryan Housel]

I agree that adding `wikipedia` or `wikidata` to each location is wrong..
But using `operator:wikidata`/`operator:wikipedia` (and or 
`brand:wikidata`/`brand:wikipedia`) should be ok, even preferred.. 

This is the approach I’m taking with 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index 

which is the project that seeds the preset list for iD with common brand names

Thanks,
Bryan



> On Sep 25, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> First off, I don't have an opinion on the naming of blue boxes. I'm am 
> concerned about adding the wikipedia tags. One of the unintended consequences 
> of adding the wikipedia tag to fast food chains is that nominatim puts those 
> locations high in the search results. We removed most of the wikipedia tags 
> to Starbucks locations a few years back. The consensus at that time was that 
> the wikipedia tag only belonged on the headquarters location and any store 
> that had a unique wikipedia article. (Only one did, the first) 
> 
> My question is, should the wikipedia tag only be placed on their headquarters 
> locatIon?
> 
> Best,
> Clifford
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Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

[Bryan Housel]

Can we please leave it as USPS?  Other shippers UPS, FedEx, and DHL are also 
abbreviated.
The “expand abbreviations” rule is really for street addresses, not everything 
in OSM.

Taginfo can show you what values are currently stored in the `operator` tag:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operator#values 


If we were to switch the `operator` field in iD over to a taginfo-based 
autocomplete, 2 things would happen:
1. It would show exactly the results in the url above, which contains all the 
operators (not just the postal ones).  It would not be a good list to pick from.
2. The taginfo service would crash.  We’ve been asked by Jochen not to do 
lookups against tags with a lot of distinct values (like “name” and “operator”) 
because queries like this are resource intensive.

Thanks, Bryan




> On Sep 6, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> I would like to do the operator value conversion this weekend, but would also 
> like to make sure to listen to all the reasons for not expanding USPS.  These 
> include having the tagging style as consistent as possible, the long version 
> being harder to type, a list of semicolon separated expanded operators being 
> too long, and more.  These are valid concerns, which should be addressed 
> before anything else happens.  
> First, for keeping the tagging style as consistent as possible, each post box 
> will be given the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687".  This way, even if the 
> operator=* tags are changed later on, all post boxes will still be consistent 
> and easy to querry.
> Second, for making sure that the operator tag is not too hard to type, I 
> think that adding a taginfo based autocomplete to the operator=* field in iD 
> could solve this.  I would have to open an issue about that on Github, though.
> Third, another fear was that a list of expanded operators separated by 
> semicolons would be hard to work with.  I have no easy solution for this.  
> Perhaps, iD could have something to organize the operator tags into blocks, 
> rather than just text like other fields.
> I would like to convert the tags this weekend, so please let me know if you 
> have any suggestions for how to make the conversion less problematic.
> Thank you, 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

[Bryan Housel]

Hmm - I’ve always felt Who’s on First was more of a Wikidata competitor than 
anything.  It contains historical names.. I don’t see it as really having the 
same mission as OSM at all.



> On Aug 22, 2018, at 2:08 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
> 
> WOF as a OSM compeitor.
> 
> Am 22.08.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Kathleen Lu:
>> 
>> > PS: long diatribe on why on earth the linux foundation is supporting an
>> > OSM competitor not included.
>> 
>> mmm... this is not good.
>> Do you know the reasons?
>> 
>> Simon - did you mean an OSM competitor or an ODbL competitor?
>> 
>> (Best I know from various rumors is that various big companies wanted a 
>> LF-blessed open data license and they had things they did not like about 
>> ODbL.)
>> 
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[OSM-talk] State of the Map US Early Bird tickets end tomorrow!

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A few quick reminders about... 
State of the Map US    Detroit, MI · October 5-7th  


  The reduced-price tickets will be available until midnight tomorrow on 
Friday, August 17th.
Sign up today before the price doubles… 
https://2018.stateofthemap.us/ 

By the way if you are an OpenStreetMap US member, we just sent out a coupon 
code...
If you’re not an OpenStreetMap US member, join today to save some money on the 
conference!  
Visit this link to check or renew your membership: 
https://join.openstreetmap.us/ 


  Check out full State of the Map US Program!
The program for State of the Map US is going to be amazing.  We're excited to 
have over 45 talks spread over 3 days in October so you can learn more from the 
OpenStreetMap US community!  There will also be workshops, social events, and 
hacking.
https://2018.stateofthemap.us/program/ 

Some highlights:
• Clifford Snow will be talkingabout OpenStreetMap in rural America.
• Julian Simioni will be talking about how to improve data for geocoding.
• Drishtie Patel will talk about Facebook's use of OpenStreetMap.

Follow State of the Map US on Twitter and share the latest news:  
https://twitter.com/sotmus 
Looking forward to seeing everyone in Detroit!! 

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A few quick reminders about... 
State of the Map US    Detroit, MI · October 5-7th  


  The reduced-price tickets will be available until midnight tomorrow on 
Friday, August 17th.
Sign up today before the price doubles… 
https://2018.stateofthemap.us/ 

By the way if you are an OpenStreetMap US member, we just sent out a coupon 
code...
If you’re not an OpenStreetMap US member, join today to save some money on the 
conference!  
Visit this link to check or renew your membership: 
https://join.openstreetmap.us/ 


  Check out full State of the Map US Program!
The program for State of the Map US is going to be amazing.  We're excited to 
have over 45 talks spread over 3 days in October so you can learn more from the 
OpenStreetMap US community!  There will also be workshops, social events, and 
hacking.
https://2018.stateofthemap.us/program/ 

Some highlights:
• Clifford Snow will be talkingabout OpenStreetMap in rural America.
• Julian Simioni will be talking about how to improve data for geocoding.
• Drishtie Patel will talk about Facebook's use of OpenStreetMap.

Follow State of the Map US on Twitter and share the latest news:  
https://twitter.com/sotmus 
Looking forward to seeing everyone in Detroit!! 

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Re: [Talk-us] State Open Data

[Bryan Housel]

Hey Clifford, this is a great idea and thanks for volunteering to collect these 
open data sources..

Also make sure to check out Telenav’s mapping repo for a really impressive list 
of public sources of centerline data.
https://github.com/TelenavMapping/mapping-projects/issues

Bryan



> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> A few months back I made available Washington State Roads background layer 
> available for use in JOSM and iD. (Shoutout to Mapbox for providing free 
> hosting of this service.) I would like to add other states but need your help 
> finding open data suitable for inclusion in OSM. 
> 
> To help please update this Google Sheet document [1] with the Open Data 
> information. You'll need to give me your email to allow editing but anyone 
> should be able to view the information.
> 
>  
> [1] 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exG4LchFlLCn8IAM1Sq1JGo8F6UPSnevksjpQ0Y7tTA/edit?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Clifford
> 
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[Talk-us] iD news - v2.10.0 with OSM Notes and more

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We released iD v2.10.0 last week!  


  OSM Notes  
You can now create, comment on, and resolve OpenStreetMap notes from within iD! 
 This work was done as part of Thomas Hervey's 2018 Google Summer of Code 
project, and you can read about it in his diary here:  
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Thomas_Hervey/diary/ 

Thanks Thomas Hervey and mentor Marc Farra!
Activate the OpenStreetMap notes layer by opening the Map Data pane (shortcut F)
Let’s close all the notes! 


  Detach Node
We've added a new Detach Node operation to remove a tagged node from a way. 
Thanks @Psigio!
With a node selected, use the right-click edit menu to find the Detach command 
(shortcut E)


↗️  Resizable Photo Viewer
The photo viewer (Mapillary, OpenStreetCam, and Bing Streetside) is now 
resizable by dragging any of its edges.  Thanks Matias Volpe!
Try activating one of the streetlevel photo layers (shortcut F) and resizing 
the viewer.


As always, the update includes several other usability improvements and new 
presets - check out the changelog for all the details.

Changelog: 
v2.10.0 Changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#2100 


Twitter:
v2.10.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1022527242193252356 

OSM Notes: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1019021979117072386 

Detach Node:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1021448718111985664 


State of the Map!!
I gave a lightning talk about iD at last week’s State of the Map conference in 
Milan!  ⚡️
So many features have shipped in the past year, I had to really race to get 
through it all.
You can watch it here:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5VWd7C6_g=youtu.be=2989 

Or share this Tweet:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1023707520525901824 



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[OSM-talk] iD news - v2.10.0 with OSM Notes and more

[Bryan Housel]

We released iD v2.10.0 last week!  


  OSM Notes  
You can now create, comment on, and resolve OpenStreetMap notes from within iD! 
 This work was done as part of Thomas Hervey's 2018 Google Summer of Code 
project, and you can read about it in his diary here:  
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Thomas_Hervey/diary/ 

Thanks Thomas Hervey and mentor Marc Farra!
Activate the OpenStreetMap notes layer by opening the Map Data pane (shortcut F)
Let’s close all the notes! 


  Detach Node
We've added a new Detach Node operation to remove a tagged node from a way. 
Thanks @Psigio!
With a node selected, use the right-click edit menu to find the Detach command 
(shortcut E)


↗️  Resizable Photo Viewer
The photo viewer (Mapillary, OpenStreetCam, and Bing Streetside) is now 
resizable by dragging any of its edges.  Thanks Matias Volpe!
Try activating one of the streetlevel photo layers (shortcut F) and resizing 
the viewer.


As always, the update includes several other usability improvements and new 
presets - check out the changelog for all the details.

Changelog: 
v2.10.0 Changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#2100 


Twitter:
v2.10.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1022527242193252356 

OSM Notes: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1019021979117072386 

Detach Node:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1021448718111985664 


State of the Map!!
I gave a lightning talk about iD at last week’s State of the Map conference in 
Milan!  ⚡️
So many features have shipped in the past year, I had to really race to get 
through it all.
You can watch it here:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5VWd7C6_g=youtu.be=2989 

Or share this Tweet:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1023707520525901824 



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https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD 
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
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Re: [Talk-us] Hostility towards US mappers

[Bryan Housel]

Hey Christoph, you make a good point, and I apologize for the flippant subject 
line. I realize that changing “Senseless sidewalks” to “Senseless Germans” 
distracts from the overall point that I was trying to make.  In truth, most 
sidewalks are fine and most Germans are sensible people.

That said - Frederik’s message made me really angry.  I’m still pretty upset 
about it.  To your analogy, I’d never go on talk-de and threaten to revert the 
work of some students in Germany just because they didn’t connect some lines.  
We all know that the connections can be added quickly with the tools that we 
have. 

It’s not ok to threaten mappers with a revert that way, and I'll continue to 
defend our growing OpenStreetMap community here in the US against bullies like 
Frederik.

Thanks, Bryan




> On Jul 25, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am somewhat amazed by the fact that hardly anyone from the US 
> community (where a lot of mappers routinely map abroad and should be 
> able to empathize with Frederik being concerned about an area where he 
> has no first hand knowledge of) seems to find it necessary to speak up 
> against this.  I cannot imagine someone coming to talk-de, getting 
> a "Senseless Americans" in reply and this not being immediately 
> rejected by many others - no matter how inappropriate or unfunded the 
> original message might have been.
> 
> This is talk-us of course so you are free to be as hostile and 
> dismissive towards Germans here as you like.  Still i am watching the 
> discussion with some bewilderment because in large parts (and in 
> particular in statements from representatives of OSM US) it contrasts 
> quite sharply with what i am used to in terms of American culture and 
> communication styles.
> 
> What saddens me is that those with constructive and reflective 
> commentary (Rihards and Kevin) get caught in the rage against 
> the "Senseless Germans".
> 
> Side note:  I also have my doubts if Bryan's German colleagues at work 
> appreciate this kind of remark.
> 
> -- 
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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Re: [Talk-us] Senseless Germans, again.

[Bryan Housel]

> Let's concentrate on the concerns Frederik raised and discuss them based
> on their own merit.


I’m focused on this part of the email.  This is not an ok way to talk about 
teams of mappers working in the US:
It’s obviously a work in progress. He can’t just threaten to “delete them all 
once the project has run out…”


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:32 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> 
> And they
> don't even look good on the map. I really wonder what the purpose of
> this is. At least they're all tagged with "project=OpenSidewalks" which
> makes it easier to delete them once the project has run out...
> 
> Bye
> Frederik

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Re: [Talk-us] Senseless Germans, again.

[Bryan Housel]

You have a reputation for bullying local contributors and impeding work made by 
local teams trying to improve the map around them. 

I’m telling you Frederik - knock it off.

Find more productive ways to improve OSM than threatening to delete people’s 
work.



> On Jul 25, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 25.07.2018 12:33, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> Do you live in Austin, TX?
>> If not, why do you care whether the students want to map sidewalks there?
> 
> What does this have to do with my nationality?
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Talk-us] Senseless Germans, again.

[Bryan Housel]

Do you live in Austin, TX?
If not, why do you care whether the students want to map sidewalks there?

Since you seem confused about “what the purpose of this is”, and can’t even be 
bothered to look up any of the “long-ish discussions”,  I’ve done a Google 
search for you to find this:  https://www.opensidewalks.com/ 


Threatening to delete all the work from the OpenSidewalks project just because 
you found one poorly mapped thing is not very nice.  Hope you’ll reconsider.  

Thanks, Bryan



> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:32 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> we had a long-ish discussion here (or was it over at imports?) about
> adding sidewalks, especially related to a project called "OpenSidewalks"
> which boldly announced a massive attempt at doing so.
> 
> I recently stumbled across this changeset in Austin, TX:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/603909001
> 
> In it, an untagged line was added 24 days ago, with a vague promise of
> using JOSM later to add relevant tags, which hasn't happened yet.
> 
> What's more, there are some erratic sideways in the same area,
> un-connected to the road network and un-connected to each other, see e.g.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=603909004#map=21/30.28318/-97.74670
> 
> and as such hardly usable for anything like pedestrian routing. And they
> don't even look good on the map. I really wonder what the purpose of
> this is. At least they're all tagged with "project=OpenSidewalks" which
> makes it easier to delete them once the project has run out...
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
> -- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

[Bryan Housel]

I’ve heard they have some people working on it.   No idea on when it will be 
ready..


> On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:58 AM, David Marchal  wrote:
> 
> OK, my bad, then. A remnant of old anti-Microsoft-ism, I assume. Do you have 
> heard of a support of this imagery from JOSM, by chance?
> 
> Regards.
> 
> De : Bryan Housel 
> Envoyé : mardi 19 juin 2018 13:46
> À : David Marchal
> Cc : osm-talk
> Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support
>  
> Be nice, we’re improving the resolution:
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5078 
> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5078>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:41 AM, David Marchal > <mailto:pene...@live.fr>> wrote:
>> 
>> Too bad the poor resolution doesn't allow to read destination signs, it 
>> would have been a great help to add destination[:*] tags. Nice move from 
>> Microsoft anyway.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> De : Bryan Housel mailto:bhou...@gmail.com>>
>> Envoyé : samedi 16 juin 2018 16:32
>> À : osm-talk
>> Objet : [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support
>>  
>> Happy Summer!  
>> I just released iD v2.9.0 this week and it’s now available on 
>> openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org/> for editing.  If you use 
>> street level imagery you will like this...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Bing Streetside now supported
>> iD now includes a layer for Bing Streetside!  This new layer provides 
>> 360-degree panoramic imagery across large regions of the United States, 
>> United Kingdom, France, and Spain. Many thanks to Jubal Harpster and the 
>> rest of the team at Microsoft!
>> Activate the Bing Streetside layer by opening the Map Data pane (shortcut F)
>> 
>> This pull request includes more details direct from Microsoft clarifying the 
>> terms of use for mapping with Bing Streetside: 
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5050 
>> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5050>
>> 
>> 
>>  Mapillary Traffic Signs refresh
>> iD also made some changes in how we process icons, which resulted in a 
>> welcome refresh for the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer.  We’ve switched from 
>> PNG to SVG, so the icons look much clearer, we support many more signs, and 
>> the traffic sign layer is now supported in all browsers!
>> Activate the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer by opening the Map Data pane 
>> (shortcut F)
>> 
>> 
>> As always, the update includes several other usability improvements and new 
>> presets - check out the changelog for all the details.
>> 
>> Changelog: 
>> v2.9.0 changelog:  
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#290 
>> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#290>
>> 
>> Twitter:
>> v2.9.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1007253540589449216 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1007253540589449216>
>> Bing Streetside Manhattan: 
>> https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1006997683918245888 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1006997683918245888>
>> Mapillary Street Signs:  
>> https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1004594196664250369 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1004594196664250369>
>> 
>> Blogs:
>> Bing Maps:  
>> https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/bing-maps-streetside-imagery-now-integrated-into-openstreetmap-id-editor
>>  
>> <https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/bing-maps-streetside-imagery-now-integrated-into-openstreetmap-id-editor>
>> WinBuzzer:  
>> https://winbuzzer.com/2018/06/15/openstreetmap-id-editor-gets-5-petabytes-of-bing-streetside-imagery-xcxwbn/
>>  
>> <https://winbuzzer.com/2018/06/15/openstreetmap-id-editor-gets-5-petabytes-of-bing-streetside-imagery-xcxwbn/>
>> 
>> Reddit:
>> Thread:  
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8r24pz/id_290_is_live_for_editing_now_you_can_use_bing/
>>  
>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8r24pz/id_290_is_live_for_editing_now_you_can_use_bing/>
>> 
>> 
>> Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:  
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD>
>> And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel> for the latest iD news. 
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> ❤️ Bryan, and the rest of the  team.
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

[Bryan Housel]

Be nice, we’re improving the resolution:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5078 
<https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5078>



> On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:41 AM, David Marchal  wrote:
> 
> Too bad the poor resolution doesn't allow to read destination signs, it would 
> have been a great help to add destination[:*] tags. Nice move from Microsoft 
> anyway.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> De : Bryan Housel 
> Envoyé : samedi 16 juin 2018 16:32
> À : osm-talk
> Objet : [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support
>  
> Happy Summer!  
> I just released iD v2.9.0 this week and it’s now available on 
> openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org/> for editing.  If you use street 
> level imagery you will like this...
> 
> 
> 
>  Bing Streetside now supported
> iD now includes a layer for Bing Streetside!  This new layer provides 
> 360-degree panoramic imagery across large regions of the United States, 
> United Kingdom, France, and Spain. Many thanks to Jubal Harpster and the rest 
> of the team at Microsoft!
> Activate the Bing Streetside layer by opening the Map Data pane (shortcut F)
> 
> This pull request includes more details direct from Microsoft clarifying the 
> terms of use for mapping with Bing Streetside: 
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5050 
> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5050>
> 
> 
>  Mapillary Traffic Signs refresh
> iD also made some changes in how we process icons, which resulted in a 
> welcome refresh for the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer.  We’ve switched from 
> PNG to SVG, so the icons look much clearer, we support many more signs, and 
> the traffic sign layer is now supported in all browsers!
> Activate the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer by opening the Map Data pane 
> (shortcut F)
> 
> 
> As always, the update includes several other usability improvements and new 
> presets - check out the changelog for all the details.
> 
> Changelog: 
> v2.9.0 changelog:  
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#290 
> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#290>
> 
> Twitter:
> v2.9.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1007253540589449216 
> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1007253540589449216>
> Bing Streetside Manhattan: 
> https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1006997683918245888 
> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1006997683918245888>
> Mapillary Street Signs:  
> https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1004594196664250369 
> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1004594196664250369>
> 
> Blogs:
> Bing Maps:  
> https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/bing-maps-streetside-imagery-now-integrated-into-openstreetmap-id-editor
>  
> <https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/bing-maps-streetside-imagery-now-integrated-into-openstreetmap-id-editor>
> WinBuzzer:  
> https://winbuzzer.com/2018/06/15/openstreetmap-id-editor-gets-5-petabytes-of-bing-streetside-imagery-xcxwbn/
>  
> <https://winbuzzer.com/2018/06/15/openstreetmap-id-editor-gets-5-petabytes-of-bing-streetside-imagery-xcxwbn/>
> 
> Reddit:
> Thread:  
> https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8r24pz/id_290_is_live_for_editing_now_you_can_use_bing/
>  
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8r24pz/id_290_is_live_for_editing_now_you_can_use_bing/>
> 
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> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD>
> And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
> <https://twitter.com/bhousel> for the latest iD news. 
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[Talk-us] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

[Bryan Housel]

Happy Summer!  
I just released iD v2.9.0 this week and it’s now available on openstreetmap.org 
 for editing.  If you use street level imagery you 
will like this...


 Bing Streetside now supported
iD now includes a layer for Bing Streetside!  This new layer provides 
360-degree panoramic imagery across large regions of the United States, United 
Kingdom, France, and Spain. Many thanks to Jubal Harpster and the rest of the 
team at Microsoft!
Activate the Bing Streetside layer by opening the Map Data pane (shortcut F)

This pull request includes more details direct from Microsoft clarifying the 
terms of use for mapping with Bing Streetside: 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5050 



 Mapillary Traffic Signs refresh
iD also made some changes in how we process icons, which resulted in a welcome 
refresh for the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer.  We’ve switched from PNG to SVG, 
so the icons look much clearer, we support many more signs, and the traffic 
sign layer is now supported in all browsers!
Activate the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer by opening the Map Data pane 
(shortcut F)


As always, the update includes several other usability improvements and new 
presets - check out the changelog for all the details.

Changelog: 
v2.9.0 changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#290 


Twitter:
v2.9.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1007253540589449216 

Bing Streetside Manhattan: 
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1006997683918245888 

Mapillary Street Signs:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1004594196664250369 


Blogs:
Bing Maps:  
https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/bing-maps-streetside-imagery-now-integrated-into-openstreetmap-id-editor
 

WinBuzzer:  
https://winbuzzer.com/2018/06/15/openstreetmap-id-editor-gets-5-petabytes-of-bing-streetside-imagery-xcxwbn/
 


Reddit:
Thread:  
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Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:  
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[OSM-talk] iD news - v2.9.0 now with Bing Streetside support

[Bryan Housel]

Happy Summer!  
I just released iD v2.9.0 this week and it’s now available on openstreetmap.org 
 for editing.  If you use street level imagery you 
will like this...


 Bing Streetside now supported
iD now includes a layer for Bing Streetside!  This new layer provides 
360-degree panoramic imagery across large regions of the United States, United 
Kingdom, France, and Spain. Many thanks to Jubal Harpster and the rest of the 
team at Microsoft!
Activate the Bing Streetside layer by opening the Map Data pane (shortcut F)

This pull request includes more details direct from Microsoft clarifying the 
terms of use for mapping with Bing Streetside: 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5050 



 Mapillary Traffic Signs refresh
iD also made some changes in how we process icons, which resulted in a welcome 
refresh for the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer.  We’ve switched from PNG to SVG, 
so the icons look much clearer, we support many more signs, and the traffic 
sign layer is now supported in all browsers!
Activate the Mapillary Traffic Signs layer by opening the Map Data pane 
(shortcut F)


As always, the update includes several other usability improvements and new 
presets - check out the changelog for all the details.

Changelog: 
v2.9.0 changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#290 


Twitter:
v2.9.0 announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1007253540589449216 

Bing Streetside Manhattan: 
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1006997683918245888 

Mapillary Street Signs:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/1004594196664250369 


Blogs:
Bing Maps:  
https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/bing-maps-streetside-imagery-now-integrated-into-openstreetmap-id-editor
 

WinBuzzer:  
https://winbuzzer.com/2018/06/15/openstreetmap-id-editor-gets-5-petabytes-of-bing-streetside-imagery-xcxwbn/
 


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Thread:  
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Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

[Bryan Housel]

> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the 
> community or should we look elsewhere?

Glad you asked!  I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better.

Here are some advantages..
* lower barrier to entry for less technical folks
* great mobile experience
* good for sharing files / screenshots
* works well for both sync and async chat
* emoji reactions, can be used to both cut down on noise comments but also mark 
things as read (like our welcome users feed)
* integration with basically everything (GitHub, Stripe, RSS anything you want 
really)
* easy to start focused public or private channels and pull a few people in to 
a discussion
* ability to mute and set availability times
* user profiles
* decent search
* everyone is on it

I really can’t imagine going back to something else.  I’d happily pay for it if 
they asked me to.

Anyway, I felt it important to speak up because I’ve noticed a very common 
situation when asking for people’s opinion about something, the people who are 
happy will stay silent, and the few who have a problem will be the ones who 
respond.

There are currently over 800 people on the OSM-US Slack, and over 3000 on the 
GIS Spatial Community Slack.  I have no idea how many people are subscribed to 
the talk-us mailing list.  

I don’t think we should get rid of mailing lists.  We should still copy things 
to the talk-us mailing that affect the entire US community.

Just my thoughts
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for the heads up Andy!
Of the top of my head, I consider Russ Nelson, Kevin Kenny, Richard Welty are 
all power users in NY State (though maybe not the Binghamton area) and would be 
great for this.

I will share your message on Slack too.

Bryan




> On May 18, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The Data Working Group has recently received an email from someone at 
> dot.ny.gov, saying that there's a general problem with satnav directions 
> following changes to this interchange:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.11451/-75.90885
> 
> Essentially, it's in the process of being changed and there will be temporary 
> reconfigurations during construction until the final layout is achieved.  
> Also, what's currently in OSM (which seems to be mostly a few years old) 
> isn't up to date.  I've explained that OSM is created by volunteers and 
> linked to https://www.openstreetmap.org/about etc. to provide a bit more 
> background.
> 
> What they've asked for is a contact within OSM who they can work with to 
> ensure that the data is updated to be correct as of now, and changed as and 
> when future changes occur.
> 
> Obviously it makes sense for the person doing this to be at least on the same 
> continent, so I'm asking for a volunteer here.  Email me via 
> ajt1...@gmail.com and I'll pass the details on.  Also, if anyone can think of 
> anyone who might want to do it and might not be reading talk-us, please pass 
> the message on to them too.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Drop the tiger:reviewed tag from roads

[Bryan Housel]

I agree it would be great to get rid of `tiger:reviewed`. 
I proposed this for iD 3 years ago but received some pushback:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2697 


I would be ok if it were removed via a mechanical edit.

As an aside, I think it would be great to move to a GitHub/Slack based workflow 
for mechanical edits and imports so ideas like this don’t get lost.  
Even if the broader OSM community wants to keep their discussions on 
wiki/mailinglist, we can change what we do for US-scoped edits to work a bit 
more efficiently.
 
Thanks Bryan


> On May 11, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> The tag, tiger:reviewed that is left over from the 2006/7 import of TIGER 
> roads has lost any meaning. For example, look at 196th Avenue Southwest [1] 
> in Thurston County WA. It's on version 6 yet still has tiger:reviewed=no. 
> Note I picked this street at random from a overpass query [2]. I see this tag 
> all the time. It's time to get rid of it. Not through a mechanical edit, but 
> by editors making changes to roads.
> 
> I'm proposing to open a ticket for JOSM to add this tag to the list of 
> discarded tags. I'd like to hear if there are any objects or think this is a 
> good idea.
> 
> I did learn from Toby Murray this morning that you can add tiger:reviewed to 
> the list of discarded tags in JOSM by going to preferences->Advanced 
> Preferences and adding tiger:reviewed to tags.discardable. Then just reload 
> JOSM for the changed to be active.
> 
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173554611 
> 
> [2] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yJh 
> 
> Clifford
> 
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[Talk-us] iD news - v2.8.0, GSoC, OSM-US Hackathon 5/21-5/22 at Mapbox DC!

[Bryan Housel]

Hello all!  I’ve got a bunch of exciting items to share about iD - please check 
out the news and share..


  iD 2.8.0 released, including Community Index 
We've changed how things look on the post-upload screen. Now after saving your 
edits, you will see a list of OpenStreetMap communities that are active around 
the area where you are editing.  Reach out to nearby mappers and say hello!

If your local community group or meetup is missing, please open an issue or 
pull request here: 
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/ 


Changelog:
v2.8.0 changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#280 


Twitter:
v2.8.0 announcement, community index: 
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/985981732737314818 




  Google Summer of Code!
OpenStreetMap is again participating in Google Summer of Code, and we have 2 
projects to improve iD.  Welcome Princi and Thomas!

•  Princi Vershwal (mentored by Sajjad Anwar) will be adding support for 
viewing vector tiled data:
   https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Princi%20Vershwal/diary/43802 


•  Thomas Hervey (mentored by Marc Farra) will be adding support for OSM Notes:
   https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Thomas_Hervey/diary/43795 


Twitter:
iD GSoC announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/990337518754238469 




‍  OSM US Spring Hackathon - 5/21-5/22 at Mapbox DC
Join us May 21-22 in Washington, DC at the Mapbox office for a 2 day OSM 
hackathon!  
Stop by between 9am-6pm and work with us, followed by an evening social event. 

This is the perfect opportunity to meet up with other developers, designers, 
and mappers in the OSM community and build something awesome. It could be a new 
feature for an open source project, a fun map style, a documentation or 
translation improvement, or something completely random.
 
Bring your laptops and your ideas. All are welcome!

Details and RSVP HERE:  https://osmhacks.splashthat.com/ 


Looking for ideas? Check out :
OSM Top 10 Tasks:  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Tasks 

osmlab/osm-planning: https://github.com/osmlab/osm-planning 


Twitter:
OSM US Spring Hackathon:  
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Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:  
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[OSM-talk] iD news - v2.8.0, GSoC, OSM-US Hackathon 5/21-5/22 at Mapbox DC!

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Hello all!  I’ve got a bunch of exciting items to share about iD - please check 
out the news and share..


  iD 2.8.0 released, including Community Index 
We've changed how things look on the post-upload screen. Now after saving your 
edits, you will see a list of OpenStreetMap communities that are active around 
the area where you are editing.  Reach out to nearby mappers and say hello!

If your local community group or meetup is missing, please open an issue or 
pull request here: 
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/ 


Changelog:
v2.8.0 changelog:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#280 


Twitter:
v2.8.0 announcement, community index: 
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/985981732737314818 




  Google Summer of Code!
OpenStreetMap is again participating in Google Summer of Code, and we have 2 
projects to improve iD.  Welcome Princi and Thomas!

•  Princi Vershwal (mentored by Sajjad Anwar) will be adding support for 
viewing vector tiled data:
   https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Princi%20Vershwal/diary/43802 


•  Thomas Hervey (mentored by Marc Farra) will be adding support for OSM Notes:
   https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Thomas_Hervey/diary/43795 


Twitter:
iD GSoC announcement:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/990337518754238469 




‍  OSM US Spring Hackathon - 5/21-5/22 at Mapbox DC
Join us May 21-22 in Washington, DC at the Mapbox office for a 2 day OSM 
hackathon!  
Stop by between 9am-6pm and work with us, followed by an evening social event. 

This is the perfect opportunity to meet up with other developers, designers, 
and mappers in the OSM community and build something awesome. It could be a new 
feature for an open source project, a fun map style, a documentation or 
translation improvement, or something completely random.
 
Bring your laptops and your ideas. All are welcome!

Details and RSVP HERE:  https://osmhacks.splashthat.com/ 


Looking for ideas? Check out :
OSM Top 10 Tasks:  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Tasks 

osmlab/osm-planning: https://github.com/osmlab/osm-planning 


Twitter:
OSM US Spring Hackathon:  
https://twitter.com/OpenStreetMapUS/status/987502081866190849 




Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD 
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Bryan Housel]

Yep, to echo what Clifford said - we don’t need to get the exact boundaries 
perfect.  As long as a person editing around this area sees that there is 
something nearby, I am happy.  

Because the project is really just a bunch of .geojson files, we can be 
flexible and update as often as needed.
For comparison, here are the current Pacific Northwest community boundaries:

Vancouver:  
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/canada/vancouver_metro.geojson
 
<https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/canada/vancouver_metro.geojson>
Mt Vernon:  
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/us/mt_vernon_wa.geojson
 
<https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/us/mt_vernon_wa.geojson>
Seattle:  
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/us/seattle.geojson
 
<https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/us/seattle.geojson>

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> For this application having a well defined region isn't a big issue. To me 
> it's more of "if you are interested, here is a  nearby OSM group(s)." I think 
> as we learn how users react to the feature, we can find ways to improve it.  
> To that end, I gave Metro Vancouver as an area to github issue. It probably 
> should extend out more than just the metro relation but I felt it was a good 
> start.
> 
> Clifford
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com 
> <mailto:penor...@mac.com>> wrote:
> On 3/31/2018 5:25 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:
> a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.  (multiple 
> resources can share a .geojson file)
> 
> I'm having trouble figuring out what a sensible region is for the meetups in 
> Vancouver and the Pacific Northwest.
> 
> Our meetups are along the coast, but I don't believe there are any other 
> meetups for a few hundred km as you go inland. Closer to home, I'd consider 
> Chilliwack part of our region in many ways, but it's 100km from there to our 
> normal meeting place. This makes it too far to suggest, because it's a 90+ 
> minute drive. Where would I cut it off?
> 
> Going up and down the coast, we have a different problem. Vancouver, 
> South-Central Salish Sea, and Seattle all share a meetup organization, and 
> have overlap in members. The boundaries here are fuzzy.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[Bryan Housel]

I think the more we can do to automate QA, the better.   

There should be some common sense guidelines for running bots though:
*  user names with “bot” in them
*  user profiles that say what the bot does and where the source code is
*  common place on GitHub for bot development (osmlab/bots?) 



> On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:44 AM, Michał Brzozowski  wrote:
> 
> There's a bot in Poland that comments on changesets which break addresses 
> (e.g. combining addr:place with addr:street), along with an explanation and 
> links to forum topic.
> 
> What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for the feedback Andy!
The community index project will surely evolve as we learn what kinds of things 
are helpful for both end users and community organizers.  The goal is for users 
who are just getting started with editing to realize that they are part of 
something larger.

This represents a deliberate shift in focus from self-centered language we 
currently use in iD “Share your edit on Facebook/Twitter” to more 
community-centric language like “There are people around where you edited that 
care about what you are doing - say hi on Reddit or stop by this month's 
Meetup”.  It would not surprise me if the locations of OSM with the highest 
quality are also the parts of OSM with the strongest community and best 
attended meetups.

One thing I can do right now to make the osm-community-index project less 
confusing is to say exactly what we are currently collecting.  This list has 
grown a few times in the last week, and I need to move it up front as the first 
thing people see.

type - (required) Type of community resource. The following types are supported:
"discourse"
"facebook"
"forum" - For example, on forum.openstreetmap.org
"group" - Generic catchall for anything with a url (such as a local OSM chapter 
page)
"irc" - url should be a clickable web join link, server details can go in 
description
"mailinglist" - url should be a link to the listinfo page, e.g. 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
"meetup"
"reddit"
"slack" - url should link to the Slack itself, and signupUrl can link to an 
inviter service (see example above)
"telegram"
"twitter"


So you asked how you can help!  Please collect any of the above things and add 
them to GitHub tickets 
In your email you mentioned some osm wiki pages that contain a lot of meetup 
links - I’d do those first...

Thanks, Bryan




> On Apr 2, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 31/03/18 13:25, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
>> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index 
>> <https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index>
>> 
>> "Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook groups, 
>> mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially beginners, might 
>> find interesting or helpful.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I think that's an excellent idea - quite often I'd like to recommend 
> something to a mapper in a country that I'm not familiar with, and it can be 
> difficult to do that if you're unfamiliar with the local community (and 
> especially if they're using non-open communication channels that can be less 
> easy to "just drop in on").
> 
> However I'm a bit confused about what sort of contributions you want - 
> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/issues/new 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/issues/new> loads a template 
> that seems to be looking for something in Markdown format (one per resource) 
> with a geojson file (I think - it's really not clear).  I'd be happy to 
> provide information that you could use to create the content you want, but 
> I've no idea how to provide what the site seems to be asking for (and I 
> suspect I won't be alone in that).
> 
> For example, for GB I'd suggest:
> 
> o That international resources such as the help site and the wiki are likely 
> to be the first best point of contact
> 
> o That the most commonly used local resource is probably the talk-gb mailing 
> list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb 
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb> (but note that the part of 
> the UK that is on the island of Ireland is best served by 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie 
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie>), and there's also 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-scotland 
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-scotland> and other regional 
> lists.
> 
> o That there's usually someone able to respond to "ad hoc" questions in 
> #osm-gb on IRC (but I'd link to that via http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/IRC 
> <http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/IRC> as other international channels may be 
> relevant too).
> 
> o There are regular meetups in at least London 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events> , 
> Scotland,https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edinburgh#Social_Events 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edinburgh#Social_Events> , West Midlands 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Meetings 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Bryan Housel]

I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index 


"Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook groups, 
mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially beginners, might 
find interesting or helpful.

Why?

Currently when you save an edit in iD, you will see a screen prompting you to 
share your edit on Facebook, Twitter, Google+.  But we’d prefer instead to use 
this screen to let the user know more about the community around where they are 
editing.  

See  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4815 
  for discussion and some 
mockups.

While the initial use of this index will be primarily to support this iD 
feature that will be released soon, I’d love to see other applications that 
have a community focus use the index as well.  For example, if you are 
reviewing an edit in OSMCha, and you see something that looks like vandalism or 
an undiscussed import and you want to ask someone in the local community to 
take a look, this index could tell you how to reach out to somebody local.


What about { existing lists / the OSM wiki }?

I did look at existing community lists, and there are several, but most of 
those lists do not support adding a bounding polygon around a community.  
Several of them do let you place a single pin where the community is, but I was 
looking for something that would let me draw complex bounding areas, and filter 
to only show communities active around in the area where a user is editing.  

We already have a successful project for sharing imagery sources that editors 
can use (see https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index 
 ) so I decided to create 
something very similar.


How can I help?

Glad you asked!  
1.  Go to https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/ 
  and watch or star the 
project. ⭐️

2.  Read the README and CONTRIBUTING documents.  These contain info about which 
files need to be added:
Each resource needs a `.json` file to describe it, and 
a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.  (multiple 
resources can share a .geojson file)

3.  Either add the files with a Pull Request, or open an issue for somebody 
else to add the files. 


Thanks!
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Re: [Talk-us] DigitalGlobe Premium Imagery: Invalid Token?

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I updated the tokens, per DG request, in this commit:
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/commit/034ac3910fc2fe118394bc953d3ca4ca2212b71c
 


I don’t know how to update the imagery that JOSM uses, but usually whenever we 
change these, somebody will update the JOSM sources pretty quickly.

Thanks, Bryan



> On Mar 10, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Ive run into the same program since yesterday, and it's basically ground me 
> to a halt, since Bing is badly out of date stateside in Oklahoma. 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2018 14:54, "Albert Pundt"  > wrote:
> For the past several days, the DigitalGlobe Premium and Standard Imagery have 
> both given HTTP 401 errors when trying to use them in JOSM. Manually going to 
> the tile URL tells me that the access token is invalid. Since this is the 
> token in the TMS URL in JOSM by default, it seems as though it needs 
> updating. How do I get a valid updated token?
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction editor

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> Thank you, thank you!
> 
> I'd just recently cleared the use of New York State Orthos Online (which has 
> 30-cm 'leaves down' imagery!) - and now I can see it for casual edits in iD 
> as well as serious editing sessions in JOSM.
> 
> Is there a way that I can make it the default? For just about the entire 
> state, it's better aligned and more current than Bing. 


Yes thank you for your work in getting these NY State Orthos for us to use!!  
They look great.

We can set a flag in editor-layer-index to mark this source as the best imagery 
available. 
Let me know if you want me to do this and I’ll add it before the next release.

(Although I think at least in some of the more populated parts, Mapbox 
Satellite has 7.5cm imagery and is very recent - do check it out!)

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[OSM-talk] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction editor

[Bryan Housel]

Hey everyone, I just released iD v2.7.0 and it’s now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

 Release Highlights

•  We've added support for more background imagery from WMS servers. 
Thanks Martin Raifer and Guillaume Rischard for your work on this..
Press B to open the Background pane and see if new imagery is available in your 
area.

• ↪️ The turn restriction editor just got a big update!
• Include nearby connected roads (with configurable distance)
• Hover over a from way to see which paths are restricted or allowed
• Add restrictions that span one or more via ways (e.g. divided highway 
u-turns)
• Add `only_` turn restrictions (e.g. only straight on)
• View popup help for more information about working with turn 
restrictions
Try selecting a junction node in a complex intersection, editing turn 
restrictions, and viewing the popup help.

And as always, many more presets, bugfixes, and performance improvements.


Developers, we need your help!
We’re starting to add Flow annotations to iD’s source code.  Flow is a 
type-checking system to help catch common errors in JavaScript code (an untyped 
language).  If you’re interested in learning about the iD internals or want to 
learn Flow, please help out!  This is a great task for anyone, from beginners 
to experts.  Check out this GitHub issue for more info:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3744#issuecomment-370300570 



Changelog:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#270 


Twitter:
v2.7.0, turn restrictions:   
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/970668042966523904 

Request for help, Flow annotations:  
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/970505437526286336 


Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/829591/id_editor_v270_released_and_available_on/
 



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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Bryan Housel]

Yes this is an interesting issue.. A lot of people were pretty upset when the 
`addr:unit` field started appearing in their address field.  

Field was added here:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/4235 

At the time it seemed pretty harmless.
(I locked discussion on that issue because it was getting too noisy - we really 
don’t need to discuss how address work in all parts of the world)

I mostly take a pretty hands-off approach to this field - I’d like for people 
to be able to map addresses however they want to in their country, and I don’t 
spend a lot of time tracking down what addresses look like around the world, so 
we rely on local contributors to update the source code with pull requests.

I think there are several things going on here:

1. Some places really don’t have a concept of `addr:unit` - there are just no 
addresses split up by floor, apartment, etc.
   (The best thing to do is to remove the field)

2. Some places do have this concept, but they don’t call it `unit`, so seeing 
the word “unit” in the UI is confusing
   (The best thing to do is probably rename the field, maybe “Apt/Floor/Unit” 
or something else?)

3. Some places do have this concept, but it is so rare that people don’t want 
to see it in the UI
   (The best thing to do is - whatever local mappers want.  Still, “rare” does 
not mean “useless".)

4. Some places do not have a dedicated address format, so they see the 
“default” format which looks kind of European and had `addr:unit` added to it 
recently
   (I removed the field from the “default” format, since opinions on this field 
are so mixed)


Thanks, Bryan



> On Jan 22, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Steve Doerr  wrote:
> 
> From the change log:
> 'remove addr:unit field for gb, ie, si, tr'. 
> 
> I wonder why (re gb). Unit is quite a common element in UK addresses, isn't 
> it?
> 
> Steve 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> I hope everyone takes a look at the changelog.
>> 
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[Talk-us] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

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Happy 2018!  I just released iD v2.6.0 yesterday..


  Release Highlights

-   You can now adjust imagery brightness, contrast, saturation, and 
sharpness. 
(Not currently available in Internet Explorer or Edge)
Try enhancing the background imagery by opening the Background pane (shortcut 
“B") and adjusting the slider controls.

-   iD will now prevent users from drawing many self-crossing lines and areas. 
See issue https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4646 
 for examples and more info. 
You can override these checks by holding down the Alt/Option key while drawing.

- ↕️  Features with a direction-type tag will display view cones indicating the 
directions they face. 
This is useful for mapping features like street signs, traffic signals, 
billboards, security cameras, and more.

-   Transit-related presets have been updated to support Public Transport v2 
tagging schema. 
Many presets have new icons too, to better match the mode of transport (tram, 
light rail, trolleybus, etc.)
Try mapping some transit platforms, stations, stop positions, etc.

-   We've completely refreshed the in-app Help content in iD. 
Huge thanks to Manfred Brandl, Minh Nguyễn, and our many volunteers on 
Transifex for their work on this!
Check out the new help texts by opening the Help pane (shortcut "H").


There are many many more presets, usability improvements, and bug fixes 
included too.
I’m really proud of the work we’ve been able to roll into this release, and I 
hope everyone takes a look at the changelog.
About 20 people contributed pull requests, many of them are first time 
contributors:  Thank you!  


Changelog:
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#260 


Twitter:
   v2.6.0, Imagery sliders:  
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/955146596211150852 

   New Help content:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/955148340857065472 


Reddit:
   
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/7s2m3g/id_editor_v260_released_and_available_on/
 



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[OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Bryan Housel]

Happy 2018!  I just released iD v2.6.0 yesterday..


  Release Highlights

-   You can now adjust imagery brightness, contrast, saturation, and 
sharpness. 
(Not currently available in Internet Explorer or Edge)
Try enhancing the background imagery by opening the Background pane (shortcut 
“B") and adjusting the slider controls.

-   iD will now prevent users from drawing many self-crossing lines and areas. 
See issue https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4646 
 for examples and more info. 
You can override these checks by holding down the Alt/Option key while drawing.

- ↕️  Features with a direction-type tag will display view cones indicating the 
directions they face. 
This is useful for mapping features like street signs, traffic signals, 
billboards, security cameras, and more.

-   Transit-related presets have been updated to support Public Transport v2 
tagging schema. 
Many presets have new icons too, to better match the mode of transport (tram, 
light rail, trolleybus, etc.)
Try mapping some transit platforms, stations, stop positions, etc.

-   We've completely refreshed the in-app Help content in iD. 
Huge thanks to Manfred Brandl, Minh Nguyễn, and our many volunteers on 
Transifex for their work on this!
Check out the new help texts by opening the Help pane (shortcut "H").


There are many many more presets, usability improvements, and bug fixes 
included too.
I’m really proud of the work we’ve been able to roll into this release, and I 
hope everyone takes a look at the changelog.
About 20 people contributed pull requests, many of them are first time 
contributors:  Thank you!  


Changelog:
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#260 


Twitter:
   v2.6.0, Imagery sliders:  
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/955146596211150852 

   New Help content:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/955148340857065472 


Reddit:
   
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data, how can we contribute to keep it to a reasonable size?

[Bryan Housel]

Milo's point on database growth is actually very important, and I worry that it 
might be missed.  We shouldn’t be concerned about shaving a few bytes off of 
the tag values to save space, or the power consumption of different processors.

OSM needs a growth plan.

We should already have pretty solid metrics on how fast the database is 
growing, and roughly when we’ll outgrow the current database architecture.  I’d 
be very happy to see OSM grow by 10x, 100x, or more as we continue to map 
everything the world, and we should be prepared for that.  

Curious if anyone else is thinking about this?

Bryan




> On Jan 22, 2018, at 3:57 AM, Milo van der Linden  wrote:
> 
> In my personal opinion, the database will grow and keep growing. So
> instead of looking at means to make things smaller, I think we should
> look at enabling even more storage. Couldn't geographical
> "shards/segments" be a solution? Like, keeping a database for Europe,
> Asia, North-America and so on that are glued together in a smart way,
> but allow for downloading partials straight from the main databases?
> And might it be smart to create a more distributed database? When I
> look at the hardware, there are currently 3 database; karm, ramoth and
> katla and it seems all 3 are in the UK.
> 
> Not intending to start an off topic, but this is just my opinion.
> 
> 2018-01-21 12:05 GMT+01:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev :
>> On 21.01.18 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 21. Jan 2018, at 09:21, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For example, Intel i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 8th generation processor consumes 95 W
>> [2], add to this the fans, hard disks, etc., it comes to 400 W power supply
>> unit. 
>> 
>> For comparison, the Raspeberry Pi 3 single-board computer requires only 10 W
>> power supply [4], 40 times less.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Bryan Housel]

Yes, I agree the feature could be improved.

Helpful:
- "I think it should be more clear that clicking the button will add a 
changeset comment”
- “I think localization could be improved and I’d love to help with this”
- “I would like the opportunity to customize the message or see it before it is 
posted”

Unhelpful:
- “This feature is spam equivalent to “Bitcoin Millions" ”
- “I am posting this to the talk list instead of directly working with the 
developer to improve it”
- “I have not even bothered to figure out which GitHub repo to open an issue in"
- “To European eyes the comments look like they were written by a six-year-old”


Be nice everyone!



> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Mike N <nice...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> On 1/12/2018 9:13 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> I love this feature, and I hope Wille keeps it in.
>> The message is very well written, and it’s not spam if the user asks for 
>> their changeset to be reviewed and then somebody actually does it.
> 
>  I haven't used this yet because I wanted to add my own detail to the 
> message.   A quick sampling of these shows that most are in response to 
> review_requested.   I did run across 2 that did not have review requested 
> however - the message is occasionally being used instead of a dedicated 
> thumbs up/down flag on changesets.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

[Bryan Housel]

I love this feature, and I hope Wille keeps it in.
The message is very well written, and it’s not spam if the user asks for their 
changeset to be reviewed and then somebody actually does it.

Thanks Bryan


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:07 AM, Michael Reichert  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> OSMCha started posting comments to changesets a few days ago when a user
> marks a changeset as good or bad.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wille/diary/43101
> I would like to ask the author(s) of OSMCha to disable this feature.
> 
> We expect to read all mappers incoming message (personal messages and
> changeset comments). If third-party tools start to post comments to lots
> of changesets automatically, this is some kind of spamming. If OSM sends
> to much emails to a user, the user will probably ignore them or treat
> them as spam.
> 
> I think that OSMCha should not post a comment automatically except if
> the user has explicitly asked for feedback or there are quality issues
> regarding the edit (mistakes, vandalism, guideline violations or
> anything else which makes it necessary to talk to the user).
> 
> I post this email to this mailing list instead of filing a bug report a
> Github [1] because I want to bring this problem to the wider audience
> and initiate a general discussion on the acceptable usage of the
> changeset comments API.
> 
> What are your thoughts and opinions on this issue?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> [1] Btw, which Github repository would be the correct one the file the
> bug report at?
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=osmcha+github=ffsb=web
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

[Bryan Housel]

What you are describing has nothing to do with validation. This could be done 
now without any new development just by running a copy of iD with different 
presets. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 24, 2017, at 12:08 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> But what I suspect could be done is when iD in invoked from a HOT project it 
> could restrict the options on things like highways to those in the wiki  
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa
> which would save a lot of living_streets etc. being added in parts of Africa 
> where there aren't any.  Also reduce the numbers of highway=footway rather 
> than path.
> 
> We might even get a few more building=yes tags rather than the range we get 
> at the moment.
> 
> Thanks John
> 
>> On 24 December 2017 at 10:45, Bryan Housel <br...@7thposition.com> wrote:
>> Have you looked at https://github.com/osmlab/osmlint ?
>> Of all the current validation efforts, that seems like the most promising.  
>> 
>> I’d definitely echo what other people are saying about avoiding the osm wiki 
>> if possible. 
>> 
>> It works on vector tiles though, so to stuff it into an editor like iD, we 
>> would need to write some kind of pipeline that does:
>> “current view of stuff in editor” -> "vector tile" -> "osmlint engine" -> 
>> “results (geojson)” -> “back to the editor for user to see"
>> 
>> It might work?
>> 
>> Also… This problem of “validating OSM” is really unbounded.  You should know 
>> that before you start working on it!  I’m not one to tell people not to work 
>> on something but.. It’s really hard!  Tags are just made up all the time by 
>> people.
>> 
>> Can a `highway=residential` connect to a `power=line`?  - no!
>> Can a `highway=service` connect to a `power=substation`  - uhh, I guess!
>> Can a `highway=??` connect to a `power=thing_i_just_made_up`? - haha!
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 4:47 AM, François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Here is an idea I got regarding tagging validation in editors (iD, JOSM, 
>>> others).
>>> Subsequently to wiki proposal voting and cleanups, it's currently 
>>> necessarily to open issues in each editor repository to ask for new tagging 
>>> validation rules. 
>>> 
>>> It can sometimes be time consuming to develop those new rules and such a 
>>> work is done independently by each project maintainer. While each project 
>>> have its own specific components, background logic is the same.
>>> 
>>> Would a new lib called like osmtagvalidator or so in charge of doing 
>>> conform validation to wiki be useful?
>>> It may be shared by any project involved in osm editing and preserve its 
>>> resources for other valuable developments.
>>> 
>>> For me, validation doesn't prevent users to use tags they want, but only 
>>> warn them about possible mistakes.
>>> 
>>> How would devs and users feel about this?
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

[Bryan Housel]

Have you looked at https://github.com/osmlab/osmlint 
 ?
Of all the current validation efforts, that seems like the most promising.  

I’d definitely echo what other people are saying about avoiding the osm wiki if 
possible. 

It works on vector tiles though, so to stuff it into an editor like iD, we 
would need to write some kind of pipeline that does:
“current view of stuff in editor” -> "vector tile" -> "osmlint engine" -> 
“results (geojson)” -> “back to the editor for user to see"

It might work?

Also… This problem of “validating OSM” is really unbounded.  You should know 
that before you start working on it!  I’m not one to tell people not to work on 
something but.. It’s really hard!  Tags are just made up all the time by people.

Can a `highway=residential` connect to a `power=line`?  - no!
Can a `highway=service` connect to a `power=substation`  - uhh, I guess!
Can a `highway=??` connect to a `power=thing_i_just_made_up`? - haha!

Bryan




> On Dec 24, 2017, at 4:47 AM, François Lacombe  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Here is an idea I got regarding tagging validation in editors (iD, JOSM, 
> others).
> Subsequently to wiki proposal voting and cleanups, it's currently necessarily 
> to open issues in each editor repository to ask for new tagging validation 
> rules. 
> 
> It can sometimes be time consuming to develop those new rules and such a work 
> is done independently by each project maintainer. While each project have its 
> own specific components, background logic is the same.
> 
> Would a new lib called like osmtagvalidator or so in charge of doing conform 
> validation to wiki be useful?
> It may be shared by any project involved in osm editing and preserve its 
> resources for other valuable developments.
> 
> For me, validation doesn't prevent users to use tags they want, but only warn 
> them about possible mistakes.
> 
> How would devs and users feel about this?
> 
> All the best
> 
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[Talk-us] iD news: v2.5.0, OpenStreetCam, and request for translation help..

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Happy December!  We have lots moving in the iD editor project.  

  OpenStreetCam

Last month, I released iD v2.5.0 (November 10, 2017), which includes support 
for OpenStreetCam.  If you haven’t tried it yet, you should really check out 
how easy it is to work with street level imagery in iD.  

Read more here:
https://blog.mapbox.com/openstreetcam-support-for-the-id-editor-12934de61fa 


Please share:
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https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/929116316614692864 



‍ New Help text coming soon

I recently merged a big pull request to iD, contributed by Manfred Brandl, to 
overhaul the internal help texts.  The good news is that it replaces those 
giant blocks of markdown text with short headings and texts which will be much 
easier to translate and maintain going forward.  The bad news is that it means 
all of that old help text needs to be translated again…

If you can translate, I need your help!

You don’t need to be a programmer - if you speak another language in addition 
to English, you can do this!  Please log into the iD project on Transifex, 
https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/id-editor/dashboard/ 
 and check the 
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[OSM-talk] iD news: v2.5.0, OpenStreetCam, and request for translation help..

[Bryan Housel]

Happy December!  We have lots moving in the iD editor project.  

  OpenStreetCam

Last month, I released iD v2.5.0 (November 10, 2017), which includes support 
for OpenStreetCam.  If you haven’t tried it yet, you should really check out 
how easy it is to work with street level imagery in iD.  

Read more here:
https://blog.mapbox.com/openstreetcam-support-for-the-id-editor-12934de61fa 


Please share:
https://twitter.com/Mapbox/status/931288819277578240 

https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/929116316614692864 



‍ New Help text coming soon

I recently merged a big pull request to iD, contributed by Manfred Brandl, to 
overhaul the internal help texts.  The good news is that it replaces those 
giant blocks of markdown text with short headings and texts which will be much 
easier to translate and maintain going forward.  The bad news is that it means 
all of that old help text needs to be translated again…

If you can translate, I need your help!

You don’t need to be a programmer - if you speak another language in addition 
to English, you can do this!  Please log into the iD project on Transifex, 
https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/id-editor/dashboard/ 
 and check the 
languages that are available for translation.  And share this info with 
*anyone* who you know that might want to get involved!  

Please share:
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Re: [OSM-talk] What would make MapRoulette better?

[Bryan Housel]

Hey Martijn, it’s currently possible to send comments and hashtags to iD (they 
can be sent as two different parameters, or just embed the hashtags in the 
comments like the task managers currently do).  It’s not possible to set other 
changeset tags, but it is something I could add if there is a good use case for 
it.

Thanks, Bryan



> On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pierre,
> 
> That is a good idea and there are already some ‘hashtags’ that MapRoulette 
> sends to JOSM. I don’t know if this is possible in iD as well. I think it is 
> something that could be improved upon. Perhaps with changeset tags (is that 
> what you are suggesting?)
> 
> Does anyone know if JOSM and / or iD support ‘sending’ changeset tags through 
> remote control / the querystring?
> 
> Martijn
> 
> --  
> Martijn van Exel
> 
> On November 20, 2017 at 2:00:36 PM, Pierre Béland (pierz...@yahoo.fr) wrote:
>> Hi Martijn
>> We see an increase of coordinatead actions via QA and TM tools. But this is 
>> not systematically  
>> documented on the Changeset metadata. For QA tools, sometimes we see in the 
>> comments  
>> reference to MapRoulette or other tools.
>> It is possible for these tools to transfer infos to editors such as iD and 
>> JOSM. It would  
>> be good that tags are transferred to the editors to better document the 
>> coordinated actions.  
>> For TM tools, it could be host and project_no / Title. For QA, it could be 
>> host and project.  
>> For Maroulette this could beQA=MaprouleteProject=XXX where XXX corresponds 
>> to a particular  
>> challenge.
>> 
>> Pierre
>> 
>> 
>> Le lundi 20 novembre 2017 15:50:21 HNE, Martijn van Exel a écrit :
>> 
>> Marc,
>> 
>> Good point and something that has come up often.
>> As Joost mentioned in a reply, the easy solution for this is, as a challenge 
>> owner, to split  
>> up the challenge into regional chunks and label them as such.
>> 
>> The new version will have ‘filter by current map bounds’. I’m not quite sure 
>> how to best  
>> do this yet. One solution would be to filter by challenge ‘centroids’ 
>> (simple), another  
>> would be to consider whatever challenge has at least one task within the 
>> current map bounds  
>> (harder). What would be your idea about this? Others with an opinion?
>> --
>> Martijn van Exel
>> 
>> On November 20, 2017 at 9:58:40 AM, Marc Gemis (marc.ge...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>> The possibility to work more locally. E.g. there is a project to add
>>> missing roads in Belgium, I would really like to see only the "issues"
>>> within let say 20km of my house (an arbitrary point I can set).
>>> 
>>> m.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 For those who have used MapRoulette or at least have a good understanding 
 of
 what it does: what would be the *one top thing* for you that would make it
 better?
 
 I am asking because I am working on a new major release.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Bryan Housel]

Haha I promise I won’t be offended.  I welcome the criticism - this is part of 
working on something that matters to a lot of people.

Anyway, iD already does train the user in the walkthrough how to assign tags, 
and iD does warn the user on the save screen if they are uploading untagged 
features.  

So, what would you prefer iD do.. Just not upload untagged things?  We could do 
this, and I don’t have any strong opinion one way or another.  

In the past, the thinking has been that it’s better to accept an imperfect 
contribution than to turn away an imperfect contributor.   The map is used for 
a lot of things these days - so maybe we should rethink this as a community how 
we handle obviously bad edits.

Bryan




> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Jo  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's amazing that after all these years of reporting it, that BUG in iD 
> still hasn't been resolved. But don't dare to complain, we might offend Bryan.
> 
> Polyglot
> 
> 2017-10-29 23:47 GMT+01:00 Mark Wagner  >:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:15:18 +0200
> Safwat Halaby > wrote:
> 
> > - Adding closed ways with area=yes instead of building=yes, or with no
> > tags at all
> 
> A closed way with "area=yes" is a *very* common newbie mistake with iD:
> the user traced an area, then forgot to tag it, or didn't realize they
> needed to apply additional tags.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Bryan Housel]

I’d call it Q936  :)
Bryan



2017-09-16 23:11 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan >:
The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most important 
thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:

* wikosm
* wikidosm

Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap 
databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good to 
reflect that in the name.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service 


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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news: v2.4.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

Ok, I see what you mean.. Would it be ok if we just add +1 to the number before 
uploading the changeset?


> On Aug 26, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Dave F  wrote:
> 
> 
>> It does display the same number as is displayed on a user’s homepage, but 
>> that number is 0 before they have made any edits.  It is a count of “how 
>> many edits has the user made before this one that they are saving right now”.
> 
> As the contributor has just saved/uploaded the changeset, that sounds 
> completely illogical to me.
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news: v2.4.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

On Hashtags:
There was a email thread a while back that discussed this practice of filling 
the comment up with hashtags about mapping events.  A lot of people don’t like 
this, and would prefer to encourage mappers (especially newbies) to write good 
comments, and store information about the mapping event in a different 
changeset tag.  

Mikel Maron and others captured the mail thread and also some actionable ideas 
on an issue for the OSM tasking manager:
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/703 
<https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/703>

That link above also has a demo of how the new hashtag field works, and links 
to other related issues.  I realize that not everyone is going to switch over 
to using a new field right away, so iD still supports having hashtags in 
comments, and will extract them into the new field automatically.


On changesets_count:
It does display the same number as is displayed on a user’s homepage, but that 
number is 0 before they have made any edits.  It is a count of “how many edits 
has the user made before this one that they are saving right now”.  

And yes the number is not completely accurate, because people could just do 
things like open multiple browsers and try to save several edits at the same 
time.  But It’s good enough for rough analysis of how experienced a mapper was 
at the time when they made a particular edit.  It can help changeset analysis 
tools like OSMCha, or bots that watch for vandalism, or even just as a useful 
signal when looking at a changeset to see what a user did or when responding 
with a comment.  (Be nice to new users!)

Bryan



> On Aug 26, 2017, at 6:07 AM, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> What are the hashtags used for?
> 
> Surely changesets_count should start at 1, the same as displayed on a users 
> homepage?
> 
> DaveF
> On 26/08/2017 06:47, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> iD v2.4.0 was released August 25, 2017 and is now available for editing on 
>> openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org/>
>> 
>>   A few highlights from the release:
>> 
>> NEW Esri World Imagery layer:
>> Esri has made their World Imagery Service available for OSM use! 
>> Read more here:  
>> https://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/ 
>> <https://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/>
>> 
>> NEW fields on the save screen:
>>• Added a checkbox for mappers to request for someone to review their 
>> edits.
>>• Added a Source field to allow users to add multiple sources.
>>• Added a Hashtags field to allow users to add multiple event hashtags.
>>  - Hashtags can also be set via the API from a Task Manager or Q/A app.  
>>  - Hashtags are automatically extracted from the `comment` field.
>> 
>> NEW changeset tags for improved changeset analysis
>>• `review_requested=yes`  (“yes” if the user has checked the box)
>>• `source=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “survey;gps")
>>• `hashtags=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “#MissingMaps;#Tanzania”)
>>• `changesets_count=*`  (number of edits the user has made, will be “0” 
>> for someone making their first edit)
>> 
>>   Walkthrough tags, will be set only if a user has made <100 edits:
>>• `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user started the 
>> walkthrough)
>>• `ideditor:walkthrough_progress=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. 
>> "welcome;navigation;point;area”)
>>• `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user completed all 
>> walkthrough sections)
>> 
>> Performance:
>>• iD can now schedule deferred work in modern browsers with 
>> requestIdleCallback, (contributed by Kushan Joshi).  
>> This means big speedups in parsing, loading data from OSM, and rendering.
>> 
>> Presets:
>>• Added presets for many theme park attractions (contributed by Willie 
>> Marcel)
>>• Added preset for `amenity=shower` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
>>• Added preset `emergency=life_ring` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
>>• Added presets and icons for railway mapping Buffer Stop, Derailer, 
>> Milestone, Signal, Switch, Train Wash (contributed by JamesKingdom)
>> 
>> ...and more!
>> 
>> 
>> Changelog:
>>https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#240 
>> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#240>
>> 
>> Twitter:
>>v2.4.0 + new save screen:  
>> https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/901280750540132352 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/901280750540132352>
>>Esri World Imagery anno

[OSM-talk] iD news: v2.4.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v2.4.0 was released August 25, 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

  A few highlights from the release:

NEW Esri World Imagery layer:
Esri has made their World Imagery Service available for OSM use! 
Read more here:  
https://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/ 


NEW fields on the save screen:
   • Added a checkbox for mappers to request for someone to review their edits.
   • Added a Source field to allow users to add multiple sources.
   • Added a Hashtags field to allow users to add multiple event hashtags.
- Hashtags can also be set via the API from a Task Manager or Q/A app.  
- Hashtags are automatically extracted from the `comment` field.

NEW changeset tags for improved changeset analysis
   • `review_requested=yes`  (“yes” if the user has checked the box)
   • `source=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “survey;gps")
   • `hashtags=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “#MissingMaps;#Tanzania”)
   • `changesets_count=*`  (number of edits the user has made, will be “0” for 
someone making their first edit)

  Walkthrough tags, will be set only if a user has made <100 edits:
   • `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user started the 
walkthrough)
   • `ideditor:walkthrough_progress=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. 
"welcome;navigation;point;area”)
   • `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user completed all 
walkthrough sections)

Performance:
   • iD can now schedule deferred work in modern browsers with 
requestIdleCallback, (contributed by Kushan Joshi).  
This means big speedups in parsing, loading data from OSM, and rendering.

Presets:
   • Added presets for many theme park attractions (contributed by Willie 
Marcel)
   • Added preset for `amenity=shower` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
   • Added preset `emergency=life_ring` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
   • Added presets and icons for railway mapping Buffer Stop, Derailer, 
Milestone, Signal, Switch, Train Wash (contributed by JamesKingdom)

...and more!


Changelog:
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#240 


Twitter:
   v2.4.0 + new save screen:  
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/901280750540132352 

   Esri World Imagery announcement: 
https://twitter.com/geogangster/status/901194478622433280 


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[Talk-us] iD news: v2.4.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v2.4.0 was released August 25, 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

  A few highlights from the release:

NEW Esri World Imagery layer:
Esri has made their World Imagery Service available for OSM use! 
Read more here:  
https://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/ 


NEW fields on the save screen:
   • Added a checkbox for mappers to request for someone to review their edits.
   • Added a Source field to allow users to add multiple sources.
   • Added a Hashtags field to allow users to add multiple event hashtags.
- Hashtags can also be set via the API from a Task Manager or Q/A app.  
- Hashtags are automatically extracted from the `comment` field.

NEW changeset tags for improved changeset analysis
   • `review_requested=yes`  (“yes” if the user has checked the box)
   • `source=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “survey;gps")
   • `hashtags=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “#MissingMaps;#Tanzania”)
   • `changesets_count=*`  (number of edits the user has made, will be “0” for 
someone making their first edit)

  Walkthrough tags, will be set only if a user has made <100 edits:
   • `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user started the 
walkthrough)
   • `ideditor:walkthrough_progress=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. 
"welcome;navigation;point;area”)
   • `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user completed all 
walkthrough sections)

Performance:
   • iD can now schedule deferred work in modern browsers with 
requestIdleCallback, (contributed by Kushan Joshi).  
This means big speedups in parsing, loading data from OSM, and rendering.

Presets:
   • Added presets for many theme park attractions (contributed by Willie 
Marcel)
   • Added preset for `amenity=shower` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
   • Added preset `emergency=life_ring` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
   • Added presets and icons for railway mapping Buffer Stop, Derailer, 
Milestone, Signal, Switch, Train Wash (contributed by JamesKingdom)

...and more!


Changelog:
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#240 


Twitter:
   v2.4.0 + new save screen:  
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/901280750540132352 

   Esri World Imagery announcement: 
https://twitter.com/geogangster/status/901194478622433280 


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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Sourcing Open Aerial Imagery

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for the correction Simon!  Sorry I missed that announcement...
I will update the editor-layer-index project docs to include some guidance on 
using the imagery waiver.
Bryan


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 27.07.2017 um 16:23 schrieb Bryan Housel:
>> TODO:  We don’t have a template letter, or clear guidelines on which
>> imagery licenses are compatible with our use, and we should.
>> See https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/issues/166 .  Like
>> you said in your other email, tracing is very different from
>> importing, so the existing ODBL advice is not what we need.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Just as a clarification: OSM does have guidance and suggested waiver
> texts
> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Waiver_and_Permission_Templates
> which is sufficient for use as a background layer in your typical OSM
> editor. Note there is an ongoing discussion of some of the finer details
> of the scope of the editor-layer-index in project:
> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/pull/344
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Sourcing Open Aerial Imagery

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks Kevin for the followup - sourcing imagery for use in editors is indeed a 
complicated topic! 

I think the key takeaways (TL;DR):
- there are lots of public sources of aerial imagery available, especially at 
the us-state level, and we could use help collecting them.
- https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index 
 is the place where we coordinate 
these efforts.
- anybody can lookup what imagery their state makes available, and open an 
issue on that GitHub repository.


replies inline below:


>> There is lots of public imagery out there, but we need volunteers to:
>> 1. find it in the first place
> 
> I know where it is for my state:
> http://gis.ny.gov/gateway/mg/index.html 
> 

Great!   The first step is making sure we know about it.  Anybody, even 
non-technical, can go to https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index 
 and open an issue. This is 
immediately helpful!

(I already did this for the NY State Orthos: 
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/issues/345 
)



>> 2. contact state GIS agencies for permission, if the website does not make
>> license clear
> 
> I have contact information, which I'm not going to share here.
> A template for the letter requesting permission would be very helpful,
> since it's not immediately clear how to describe the intended use to
> an agency. It would be even more helpful to be able to have contact
> information for a resource person to answer any legal questions that
> the agency might have. Surely someone's done this before, for the
> specific case of a state's orthoimagery with this being the intended
> use!

Yes, this can get a bit legally complicated.  I got lucky with NJ, because 
their “metadata” sheet makes it very clear that the orthoimagery has no use or 
access constraints, and that attribution is appreciated but not necessary.  
Absent of a clear statement like that, we do just need to contact someone in 
the state GIS office to ask for permission.

TODO:  We don’t have a template letter, or clear guidelines on which imagery 
licenses are compatible with our use, and we should.  See 
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/issues/166 
 .  Like you said in 
your other email, tracing is very different from importing, so the existing 
ODBL advice is not what we need.



>> 3. figure out whether the WMS server can serve the imagery (some serve
>> TMS/WTMS tiles that can be consumed directly in iD, others serve WMS which
>> can sometimes be proxied)
>> 4. add the source to editor-layer-index, along with a boundary polygon where
>> the imagery is valid.
> 
> This question seems to be asking for technical details about which I'm
> rather ignorant -
(... snipped ...)
> subtleties that may be obvious to someone accustomed to maintaining
> the software stack, but surely are not obvious to the average
> mapper. When I look at it, I wind up mentally saying, "yeah, maybe one
> of these days I'll have time to tool up with all this stuff.”

You’re absolutely right that a layperson won’t be able to help much with steps 
3 and 4, as this requires some technical knowledge.  We could use more 
volunteers on https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index 
 who want to learn about this, 
and there is a backlog of work for adding imagery sources to the index.

TODO:  I should write up a getting started guide for the editor-layer-index 
project that can bring people up to speed, including examples.  I think I can 
put something together that make this topic accessible to anyone with a bit of 
free time, basic knowledge of how computers talk to each other, and not too 
afraid of acronyms.



> I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh here. I really would like to see this
> move forward. Help me to help you!


No apology needed!  Your responses are very helpful, and it made clear some 
next actions for us to work on..


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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Decline in accuracy of capture date metadata in Bing imagery

[Bryan Housel]

Hey this is a topic that I care about - It turns out, you are already chipping 
in some money for high resolution orthoimagery!

OK state Geographic Information Council
http://okmaps.onenet.net/index.html 

OK state GIS Portal:
https://okmaps.org/OGI/search.aspx 

The NAIP 2015 layer "provides 1 meter GSD ortho imagery rectified within +/- 6 
meters to true ground at a 95% confidence level. “ 

This is not spectacular resolution, but it is good enough for rough tracing in 
editors, and would at least give you a more recent alternative to Bing.

---

What aerial imagery exists?

Here is some info about high resolution orthoimagery in the United States.  The 
following statements are mostly true:

- States collect imagery every few years.
- They are supposed to do this to support the NAIP (National Aerial Imagery 
Program), a USDA program
- The imagery is 1meter/pixel or better. 
- It’s getting better all the time.  Some is even 6” or 3” in urban areas.
- Every state has a government GIS portal / WMS server where you can look for 
this information
- You might have to dig through government websites to find what you’re looking 
for, it’s not simple
- It’s generally public, but you might have to contact someone to get explicit 
permission to use it for OSM
- It was all supposed to be combined onto the USGS National Map, but this 
program is being shut down / defunded.

---

What can you do to help?

We collect this imagery data here:
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index 


Once it is added to the editor layer index, it will be available in iD and 
other editors.

There is lots of public imagery out there, but we need volunteers to:

1. find it in the first place
2. contact state GIS agencies for permission, if the website does not make 
license clear
3. figure out whether the WMS server can serve the imagery (some serve TMS/WTMS 
tiles that can be consumed directly in iD, others serve WMS which can sometimes 
be proxied)
4. add the source to editor-layer-index, along with a boundary polygon where 
the imagery is valid.

In conclusion, please follow the editor-layer-index project, and help add the 
public imagery (that you are already paying for) to the OSM editors!

Thanks, Bryan



> On Jul 26, 2017, at 6:10 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Clifford Snow  > wrote:
> A contact in Microsoft said that the Bing imagery is made up of multiple 
> images which results in the date range. 
> 
> The imagery we are getting has improved over time, although it seems at a 
> snails pace. I'm sure if we were paying for imagery we would have different 
> requirements. Bing probably wants nice looking - with lots of green 
> vegetation. Our needs would be better served by leaf off imagery. So if 
> someone wants to start fund raising, we could have imagery that better fits 
> our needs. 
> 
> I would be willing to chip in some money to get updated high resolution 
> imagery for metro Tulsa and eastern Oklahoma.  Latest imagery available for 
> the area's already in Bing and it's 2011-2013 vintage stock at this point.  
> Between the renaissance of Tulsa and many small towns in the region, 1 new 
> town built and incorporated, and 3 or 4 towns that went bust and are in the 
> process of being torn down and recycled for materials, that imagery's not far 
> from being unusably old.
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Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Zip Data Removal Project (Update)

[Bryan Housel]

Hey Hans,
We have a closed issue on the iD tracker for automatic removal of 
`tiger:reviewed`:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2697 


We haven’t discussed automatic removal of any other tiger tags.  (I don’t have 
a strong opinion for either keeping or removing them.)

Thanks, Bryan



> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Hans De Kryger  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the advice everyone. I have moved on to my normal editing. 
> 
> About the soft approach to tiger removal. I see no reason not to look into 
> it. Do i bring up these questions on github for Josm & iD?
> 
> On Jul 12, 2017 10:15 PM, > wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> I sincerely hope you’ll reconsider because I know that you have a lot of 
> positive energy to bring to the US community.
> 
> I think what you might take away from this is that a single thread on the 
> mailing list is not always enough to gauge the temperature of the community. 
> There are many mappers who are not on the mailing list at all or, like me, 
> are on it but pay only occasional attention to it.  Once you start to get 
> negative feedback on edits, I think it is a signal to pause and rethink, and 
> perhaps spend some more time discussing. Not necessarily to give up! 
> Criticism and negativity are cheap commodities on the internet, and OSM is no 
> exception. 
> 
> I think there is value in your idea to remove redundant TIGER tags but 
> perhaps a different approach is called for. Frederik had some good advice to 
> share in that regard. Perhaps a more gentle way to go about it is to discuss 
> extending the set of tags that are automatically removed when editing a TIGER 
> way in JOSM (and iD?).
> 
> Best
> Martijn
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Hans De Kryger > > wrote:
>> 
>> So last month i started a discussion about a project i took on removing 
>> Tiger zip data across the U.S. I brought it to the community after i 
>> received concern from quite a few mappers in the U.S. After getting more 
>> unfriendly changeset comments and messages in my inbox i'm officially done.  
>> The Project is done for good. Not really wanting to get in an argument daily 
>> with the messages I've gotten in my mailbox. I've learned first hand just 
>> how unfriendly the osm community can be. It makes me quite sad to see that 
>> side of the it. I've been apart of osm for 4+ years and this type of 
>> response from the community makes me never want to contribute ever again.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Hans
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[Talk-us] iD news: v2.3.0 released

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iD v2.3.0 was released July 7, 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

  A few highlights from the release:

New:  Toggle-able information panels can be used to expose more advanced 
features without cluttering the user interface.
⌘I: Show/Hide info panels (by default, will toggle the Measurement panel)
⌘⇧M: Toggle Measurement Panel - Show selected object area, length, perimeter, 
calculate center, etc.
⌘⇧L: Toggle Location Panel - Show location coordinates and reverse geocode
⌘⇧H: Toggle History Panel - Show last edited by, links to user and changeset 
info, object history
⌘⇧B: Toggle Background Panel - Show imagery age if available and toggle tile 
debugging

Support localization of background imagery names, descriptions, attribution text
Show background imagery icons from editor-layer-index 
, upgrade Bing icon and others
Add  walkthrough=true  to the url, and iD will start the walkthrough 
automatically
New presets for manholes, storm drains, scrapyards
Many more bugfixes!
  

Please help translate these new features if you can!  The iD project is now 
under the OpenStreetMap organization on Transifex:
   https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/id-editor/dashboard/ 


Changelog:
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#230 


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https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/883487026594623489 

   History info panel: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/883488962215632896 

   All panels:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/882758167742083075 

   Tile Debugging showing Bing imagery age:  
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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

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2 months later and they’re still at it.  I finally did reach out to the user 
with a changeset comment here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46561481#map=12/40.7194/-74.4255 


What’s an acceptable amount of time to wait for a response before I just start 
reverting?
Thanks, Bryan



> On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Albert Pundt  wrote:
> 
> The user is granpueblo  and 
> he's made a lot more than one changeset 
> ...
> 
> --Roadsguy
> 
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Albert Pundt  > wrote:
> Recently somebody went around and bulk-"demoted" many northern NJ roads. 
> Granted, some of these were marked as trunk and primary that would probably 
> be better as primary and secondary, respectively, but this person made 
> various trunk routes secondary (including major arterials such as US 206, NJ 
> 15, US 46, NJ 31, etc. that should be no lower than primary), primary routes 
> tertiary, and demoted most if not all secondary and tertiary routes to 
> residential/unclassified. This seems like a way overboard change. I started 
> to fix the more obvious errors here, but it seems like it would be way 
> quicker and easier to revert the changeset and start over with fewer and more 
> conservative reclassifications. What are your thoughts on this?
> 
> --Roadsguy
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news: v2.2.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks!  The iD walkthrough is often a new user’s first introduction to mapping 
on OpenStreetMap, so I really wanted to make it accessible to as many users as 
possible.  

Completely localizable means that when the user starts the walkthrough, there 
is special code to replace the name and address tags to better fit that users 
language.  So “Spring Street” in English becomes “Gartenstraße” in German, or 
"Весенняя улица” in Russian.  The entire town contains about 120 named objects, 
and these can all be translated like any other text string in the user 
interface. 

I’ll be blogging more about the walkthrough improvements later in the week!
Bryan


> On May 9, 2017, at 7:52 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I like the new walk-through! Great job every one. 
> 
> It's been mentioned that it's now "complete localizable", and that sounds 
> very interesting in the outreach training programs we do in OSMph. Could you 
> post a link for details about this?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> /Erwin
> 
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:24 AM Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com 
> <mailto:davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
> Excellent, the radial menu's finally been removed! It always appeared 
> precisely where I wanted to edit! I might start using it now.
> 
> The walk-through is very intuitive.
> 
> DaveF. 
> 
> 
> On 09/05/2017 19:49, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> iD v2.2.0 was released May 9 2017 and is now available for editing on 
>> openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org/>
>> 
>> This is possibly our biggest release ever because it includes over 100 
>> features and represents about 3 months of work by 13 contributors, and 
>> countless other translators and testers.  Thank you to everyone who made 
>> this possible!  ❤️
>>  Release Highlights
>> 
>>  Two new global satellite imagery layers: DigitalGlobe Premium and 
>> DigitalGlobe Standard!
>> These new layers cover many parts of the world that previously had no usable 
>> imagery.
>> Check out the new imagery by opening the Background pane (shortcut B)
>> 
>>  A new right-click editing menu replaces the old radial menu.
>> The new editing menu gives iD room to grow and won't get in the way of your 
>> editing.
>> Remember: Right-click on map features to use the new menu.
>> 
>> ‍ The introductory walkthrough has been completely revised, covering more 
>> OpenStreetMap concepts and common editing tasks using the new right-click 
>> menu. Users can explore and practice editing in the example town - now much 
>> better mapped than before and completely localizable. Even long time iD 
>> users should give it a try!
>> Replay the walkthrough from the Help pane (shortcut H).
>> 
>>  Big refresh of icons! You'll see a lot more icons for commonly mapped 
>> features.
>> Map traffic signals, stop signs, benches, crossings, street lamps, 
>> fountains, towers, and many more.
>> 
>> ✍️ You can now see and edit changeset tags before uploading to OpenStreetMap.
>> 
>> 
>> The complete changelog is pretty epic, and can be found here:
>>Changelog:  
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#220 
>> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#220>
>> 
>> The next time you launch iD, you might even see a notification down in the 
>> corner of the screen about the new version!
>> 
>> 
>> Twitter:  
>>   v2.2.0: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862014150528180225 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862014150528180225>
>>   New Imagery: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862006438096510977 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862006438096510977>
>>   Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
>> <https://twitter.com/bhousel> for more iD updates.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks! 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
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[Talk-us] iD news: v2.2.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v2.2.0 was released May 9 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

This is possibly our biggest release ever because it includes over 100 features 
and represents about 3 months of work by 13 contributors, and countless other 
translators and testers.  Thank you to everyone who made this possible!  ❤️
 Release Highlights

 Two new global satellite imagery layers: DigitalGlobe Premium and 
DigitalGlobe Standard!
These new layers cover many parts of the world that previously had no usable 
imagery.
Check out the new imagery by opening the Background pane (shortcut B)

 A new right-click editing menu replaces the old radial menu.
The new editing menu gives iD room to grow and won't get in the way of your 
editing.
Remember: Right-click on map features to use the new menu.

‍ The introductory walkthrough has been completely revised, covering more 
OpenStreetMap concepts and common editing tasks using the new right-click menu. 
Users can explore and practice editing in the example town - now much better 
mapped than before and completely localizable. Even long time iD users should 
give it a try!
Replay the walkthrough from the Help pane (shortcut H).

 Big refresh of icons! You'll see a lot more icons for commonly mapped 
features.
Map traffic signals, stop signs, benches, crossings, street lamps, fountains, 
towers, and many more.

✍️ You can now see and edit changeset tags before uploading to OpenStreetMap.


The complete changelog is pretty epic, and can be found here:
   Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#220 


The next time you launch iD, you might even see a notification down in the 
corner of the screen about the new version!


Twitter:  
  v2.2.0: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862014150528180225 

  New Imagery: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862006438096510977 

  Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
 for more iD updates.


Thanks! 
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[OSM-talk] iD news: v2.2.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v2.2.0 was released May 9 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

This is possibly our biggest release ever because it includes over 100 features 
and represents about 3 months of work by 13 contributors, and countless other 
translators and testers.  Thank you to everyone who made this possible!  ❤️
 Release Highlights

 Two new global satellite imagery layers: DigitalGlobe Premium and 
DigitalGlobe Standard!
These new layers cover many parts of the world that previously had no usable 
imagery.
Check out the new imagery by opening the Background pane (shortcut B)

 A new right-click editing menu replaces the old radial menu.
The new editing menu gives iD room to grow and won't get in the way of your 
editing.
Remember: Right-click on map features to use the new menu.

‍ The introductory walkthrough has been completely revised, covering more 
OpenStreetMap concepts and common editing tasks using the new right-click menu. 
Users can explore and practice editing in the example town - now much better 
mapped than before and completely localizable. Even long time iD users should 
give it a try!
Replay the walkthrough from the Help pane (shortcut H).

 Big refresh of icons! You'll see a lot more icons for commonly mapped 
features.
Map traffic signals, stop signs, benches, crossings, street lamps, fountains, 
towers, and many more.

✍️ You can now see and edit changeset tags before uploading to OpenStreetMap.


The complete changelog is pretty epic, and can be found here:
   Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#220 


The next time you launch iD, you might even see a notification down in the 
corner of the screen about the new version!


Twitter:  
  v2.2.0: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862014150528180225 

  New Imagery: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/862006438096510977 

  Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
 for more iD updates.


Thanks! 
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Re: [Talk-us] Fixing Multipolygons

[Bryan Housel]

Jochen thanks for taking the lead on this issue!

I just wanted to add for anyone working on this effort, old-style multipolygons 
will render a bit differently in iD soon.
They will have little gaps along the edge, screenshot here:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3908#issuecomment-296041755 


Anyone who is interested in trying out this new version of iD can do so here:
http://preview.ideditor.com/master/ 
(And please report any issues that you find: 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues 
 )

If you are looking for old-style multipolygons to clean up, head over to my 
home state of New Jersey, which is full of them.
As a bonus, many of them are also tagged with the deprecated `landuse=farm`. :)

Thanks, Bryan



> On Apr 21, 2017, at 3:40 AM, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> as some of you might have seen we have a huge effort going on to fix
> broken multipolygons and re-tag old-style multipolygons (those where the
> tags are on the outer way(s) instead of on the relation) into the
> current style.
> 
> You can read all about it on http://area.jochentopf.com/ .
> 
> As you can see on the map at http://area.jochentopf.com/map/index.html
> most of the old-style multipolygons now left are from some large-scale
> imports, including some in the US. We need your help in cleaning this
> up! I you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
> 
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[OSM-talk] Help Translate iD!

[Bryan Housel]

I'm excited to announce that I'll be releasing a new version of iD in the next 
week or two.
If you are fluent in multiple languages, or know someone who is, I’d love your 
help in translating iD!

We support over 70 languages, but many of them are barely translated.  
Localizing iD helps bring OpenStreetMap to more users around the world. If 
you’re not already a translator, please sign up for Transifex and join a 
translation team here: https://www.transifex.com/ideditor/id-editor/dashboard/ 


Translating is something that anybody can do, even if they are not directly 
involved in OpenStreetMap or Open Source software.  

Please forward this to anybody that might be interested in helping, thanks!
Or retweet:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/854883315693875206 


---

More details on the upcoming 2.2 release:

* Translators can now preview their work on our new development mirror!  No 
more waiting until the next version of iD to see how things look.  Simply visit 
http://preview.ideditor.com/master/  - 
which is updated every 10 minutes with the latest strings from Transifex.

* We’ve made big changes to the iD walkthrough to make it more friendly and 
also teach better editing practices.  There is a lot of new content to 
translate, but these changes will be immediately helpful to the thousands of 
new users each day that make their first OpenStreetMap edits.

* The walkthrough itself is more open-ended, with dedicated steps that let the 
user play and explore the town at their own pace.  To support this, we’ve made 
the whole town localizable - streets, businesses, place names - adding about 
120 new strings to the core resource under the `intro.graph.name.*` keys.  
While the source strings do correspond to actual places in Three Rivers 
Michigan, the names of these features in the walkthrough do not need to be 
translated literally - it’s OK to make up reasonable sounding names in your 
local languages.

As before, thank you for your help!  I appreciate all of the hard work done by 
our fantastic volunteer teams of translators to make editing in iD simple and 
fun for everybody worldwide.

Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions, and thanks again!

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Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] iD issues?

[Bryan Housel]

As far as I know, the issue is only with Chrome on Windows.. Firefox, IE, and 
Edge should be ok.
We’re tracking it here:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3805 


It’s very similar to another issue that I fixed in December, so I think I can 
probably get this fixed before the next iD release in a week or two.

The summary of this issue is - your browser generates lots of events for things 
like mouse button clicks and releases (mousedown and mouseup).  We use these to 
know whether you are clicking on things or dragging the map around.  Sometimes 
Chrome on Windows just loses the events - so we see a mousedown but not a 
mouseup, and the user is stuck mid-click while iD waits for an event that’s 
never going to happen.  

The fix is to just add some code to watch for this condition. If we’re waiting 
for a mouseup and we detect another mousedown, we know that the browser “lost” 
the mouseup event and we should just carry on as if the user is clicking a 
thing for the first time. 

Hope this is helpful.. I marked the issue as “priority” and I think I can get 
it fixed in the next week or so.

Thanks,
Bryan




> On Apr 20, 2017, at 11:00 AM, David Kewley  wrote:
> 
> It may be a problem only on Windows -- I have no problem on my Chromebook.
> 
> Unfortunately a large fraction of laptops brought to a mapathon are typically 
> Windows, I bet.
> 
> David
> 
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Ralph Dell  > wrote:
> I am not having any problem selecting on a click in chrome.
> 
> I tried every type of feature and everything worked.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:28 PM
> To: Ralph Dell 
> Cc: Charlotte Wolter >; 
> Open Street Map Talk-US  >
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] iD issues?
> 
>  
> 
> Ralph,
> 
>  
> 
> That is the URL I am using.  I have been testing Firefox and IE this morning 
> and have not been having any problems. Only under Chrome am I having a 
> problem.
> 
>  
> 
> Mike
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Ralph Dell  > wrote:
> 
> What url are you using for iD?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit  in 
> firefox or anywhere else gives me the issues you are having.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:11 AM
> To: Charlotte Wolter >
> Cc: Open Street Map Talk-US  >
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] iD issues?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Charlotte Wolter  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Some updates were made to iD some weeks ago. Apparently, somehow, it 
> made clicking on a feature to select it more difficult. I use Firefox, and 
> usually have to click 3 or 4 times to get an individual item selected.
> 
> I wonder if the folks that maintain iD could just temporarily revert to the 
> previous version while this is worked out?  Just a thought. Regardless, I 
> still think iD is a great piece of software and appreciate what Bryan and 
> others do to maintain it.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

[Bryan Housel]

I agree that seems wrong.. If you’ve got a list of changesets, or the username 
who is doing it, I can help with the revert.
Thanks, Bryan



> On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Albert Pundt  wrote:
> 
> Recently somebody went around and bulk-"demoted" many northern NJ roads. 
> Granted, some of these were marked as trunk and primary that would probably 
> be better as primary and secondary, respectively, but this person made 
> various trunk routes secondary (including major arterials such as US 206, NJ 
> 15, US 46, NJ 31, etc. that should be no lower than primary), primary routes 
> tertiary, and demoted most if not all secondary and tertiary routes to 
> residential/unclassified. This seems like a way overboard change. I started 
> to fix the more obvious errors here, but it seems like it would be way 
> quicker and easier to revert the changeset and start over with fewer and more 
> conservative reclassifications. What are your thoughts on this?
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] greenways tagging

[Bryan Housel]

I agree that that Tiffany Avenue is just a normal street, not a “living 
street”.  Our driver even drove it a few times and you can see it pretty 
clearly on Mapillary.
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=Tt-musXAKC5Qpuo7OAjyQA=photo=37.74456457237605=-122.42159001944155=19.941223418815095
 



I have used the living street tag once in the USA, and that is for this street 
which is completely blocked by gates except for a side way in that locals know. 
 I’m sure there are other similar situations around the USA, but they are 
indeed rare.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/11616350#map=18/40.73246/-74.24675 


There is an interesting story behind it:  
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/06/nyregion/plan-for-gates-call-for-pickets-bordering-newark-maplewood-finds-proposal-causes.html
 


(sorry, no Mapillary for this one - I should drive over there with cameras 
sometime!)

Bryan




> On Mar 23, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to give a wider audience to this changeset discussion:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46967476 
> 
> 
> Some Mapzen folks have been changing highway=residential to 
> highway=living_street for routes that are designated as "Greenways."  There's 
> a related blog post too:
> 
> https://mapzen.com/blog/bike-poll/ 
> 
> I haven't really seen any roads in the USA that would be similar in nature to 
> the living street designation found throughout Europe where kids are allowed 
> to play in the street because the cars are required to go walking speed.
> 
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[OSM-talk] iD is getting a new menu...

[Bryan Housel]

Just wanted to pre-announce that the next version of iD (coming sometime in 
March) will have a new menu!
Here’s a picture:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/835607333640232962 


We don’t often change iD’s user interface, but we felt that iD was starting to 
outgrow the “radial menu”, and it was time to move to a more traditional 
right-click context menu.  The new edit menu will only pop up when the user 
right-clicks, so it will not get in the way of editing as much as the old menu 
did.  Also by switching from a circular shape to a vertical bar, we are less 
constrained by the number of items that we can add to the menu.

Details about how the work came together over the past month, and screenshots 
can be found here:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/3753 

Thanks to Kushan for much of the code, and Rasagy for the design work.

Please try out editing with the new menu by using the mirror here:
https://openstreetmap.us/iD/master/ 

Thanks,
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[OSM-talk] iD news: v2.1.0 released

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iD v2.1.0 was released Feb 4 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

Here are some of our favorite new features:
- Disconnected endpoints now appear slightly larger, and iD will warn if a user 
creates a disconnected road
- Improved save flow directs users to enter their comment and upload their 
changes (some users would miss that step)
- RTL languages like Arabic and Hebrew are now drawn correctly along line paths 
(thanks Milad Karbasizadeh)
- Improved checks to avoid creation of duplicate consecutive nodes and invalid 
geometries (thanks slhh)
- Users must select vertices and nodes before dragging them, preventing 
accidental drags (thanks Eduard Popov)
- Now support KML and GeoJSON in addition to GPX files (thanks Mert Emin 
Kalender)
- Icons were refreshed to use the latest Maki iconset (thanks Ajith Ranka)
- Better country-specific customization of address fields (thanks Natsuyasumi)
- Reflect operations!  You can now reflect shapes with T ↔️ and Y ↕️  (thanks 
Psigio)

By my count, 17 people contributed to this release, which feels like a record 
high.  Thank you everyone for an awesome start to 2017!  

If you are interested in contributing, or just want to see what we are up to, 
please follow and star the iD project on GitHub 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD  


Changelog: 
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#210 


Twitter:  
  v2.1.0: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/827875204546306049 

  New Icons: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/827724917806346241 

  Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
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[Talk-us] iD news: v2.1.0 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v2.1.0 was released Feb 4 2017 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

Here are some of our favorite new features:
- Disconnected endpoints now appear slightly larger, and iD will warn if a user 
creates a disconnected road
- Improved save flow directs users to enter their comment and upload their 
changes (some users would miss that step)
- RTL languages like Arabic and Hebrew are now drawn correctly along line paths 
(thanks Milad Karbasizadeh)
- Improved checks to avoid creation of duplicate consecutive nodes and invalid 
geometries (thanks slhh)
- Users must select vertices and nodes before dragging them, preventing 
accidental drags (thanks Eduard Popov)
- Now support KML and GeoJSON in addition to GPX files (thanks Mert Emin 
Kalender)
- Icons were refreshed to use the latest Maki iconset (thanks Ajith Ranka)
- Better country-specific customization of address fields (thanks Natsuyasumi)
- Reflect operations!  You can now reflect shapes with T ↔️ and Y ↕️  (thanks 
Psigio)

By my count, 17 people contributed to this release, which feels like a record 
high.  Thank you everyone for an awesome start to 2017!  

If you are interested in contributing, or just want to see what we are up to, 
please follow and star the iD project on GitHub 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD  


Changelog: 
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#210 


Twitter:  
  v2.1.0: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/827875204546306049 

  New Icons: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/827724917806346241 

  Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Disable snapping in iD Editor?

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Yes, you can hold down the Alt/Option key to disable snapping in iD.


> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to temporarily disable snapping in the iD editor? In JOSM one 
> can hold down the Ctrl key while in the add mode to do so, but I can't find a 
> similar function in iD. 
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[Talk-us] iD v2.0.0 beta - help test!

[Bryan Housel]

We have been working really hard on iD the past few months and we’re releasing 
v2.0.0 in the next week or so.

iD v2.0.0 will look and feel the same as v1.x but has significant changes to 
the code structure. It is written in a modular style, and uses new tools to 
build the code.  This will benefit us by making it easier to keep iD's 
dependencies up to date, share iD code with other OSM projects, and keep 
current the with ever-changing state of the art in JavaScript development.

Huge thanks go out to to all of our contributors, the changelog is really 
amazing:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#200 

(We are still adding a few more features and fixing bugs over the next week)


How you can help: 

1. Test the latest version of iD:
https://openstreetmap.us/iD/master/ 

2. Report any bugs that you find:
iD supports all modern operating systems and browsers.  When opening an issue, 
please include your operating system, browser type and version, and any 
information you can think of that might help us reproduce the issue.  
Screenshots are super helpful too!  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues 


3. Translate! 
iD supports over 70 languages now, but most of them are not fully translated.  
We need your help!
Click below to open the iD translation project on Transifex.
https://www.transifex.com/ideditor/id-editor/ 


4. Spread the word:
The more help we get with testing the beta version, the better iD will be!
Twitter: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/794666881563160576 


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[OSM-talk] iD v2.0.0 beta - help test!

[Bryan Housel]

We have been working really hard on iD the past few months and we’re releasing 
v2.0.0 in the next week or so.

iD v2.0.0 will look and feel the same as v1.x but has significant changes to 
the code structure. It is written in a modular style, and uses new tools to 
build the code.  This will benefit us by making it easier to keep iD's 
dependencies up to date, share iD code with other OSM projects, and keep 
current the with ever-changing state of the art in JavaScript development.

Huge thanks go out to to all of our contributors, the changelog is really 
amazing:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#200 

(We are still adding a few more features and fixing bugs over the next week)


How you can help: 

1. Test the latest version of iD:
https://openstreetmap.us/iD/master/ 

2. Report any bugs that you find:
iD supports all modern operating systems and browsers.  When opening an issue, 
please include your operating system, browser type and version, and any 
information you can think of that might help us reproduce the issue.  
Screenshots are super helpful too!  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues 


3. Translate! 
iD supports over 70 languages now, but most of them are not fully translated.  
We need your help!
Click below to open the iD translation project on Transifex.
https://www.transifex.com/ideditor/id-editor/ 


4. Spread the word:
The more help we get with testing the beta version, the better iD will be!
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm.org Banner about SotM (missing THE SotM in Brussels!)

[Bryan Housel]

The OpenStreetMap site will show you banners for any upcoming events in a 
rotation until you dismiss the banner by clicking the ‘X'.  After you have 
dismissed a banner, you won’t be shown the banner again (unless you clear your 
cookies).


> On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Stefan Keller  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm bit confused by a banner showing up at osm.org about SotM Latam in
> November!
> I'd just really expect to see the _the_ SotM in Brussels there at
> least till end of September :-)
> How this?
> 
> :Stefan
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Re: [Talk-us] Check your turn:lanes

[Bryan Housel]

This was discussed extensively on the tagging mailing list 2 months ago:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-June/029335.html 


The consensus at the time was that combinations including ‘none’ are not valid, 
and people should use `transit:lanes` style tags to indicate what happens to a 
lane - whether it branches, forks, or ends.

see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/transit 
  for more 
details.

At the time of that thread, I did use taginfo to search for values like 
`none;left` or `none;slight_right`, and there were only a handful of such lanes 
worldwide - maybe 10 or so.

Thanks, Bryan



> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:48 AM, Jack Burke  wrote:
> 
> I have to disagree. If that's how to interpret the tags, then the tagging 
> definition is deficient. 
> 
> Under that interpretation, how do you tag a lane that both continues and 
> branches off as an exit, but doesn't have signage that it continues? 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology
> 
> On August 25, 2016 1:22:58 AM EDT, David Mease  wrote:
> According to the wiki, "none" means that there are no indications on the 
> lane. The value "none;slight_right" says that there are both no indications 
> and a slight right indication on the lane, which is of course impossible. 
> These "scripted" edits are therefore a correct interpretation of the original 
> tagging. The problem here is that the original tagging was incorrect.
> 
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Jack Burke  > wrote:
> 
>> And I, too, have a preference for using "none" instead of leaving and 
>> endless line of "|" to try to parse.  My eyesight isn't getting 
>> better as I get older.
>> 
>> Having said that, if that had been the only thing they did, I wouldn't have 
>> bothered saying anything.  But when their edits turned continuing lanes into 
>> exit-only lanes...well, then it became a *problem*.
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Tod Fitch > > wrote:
>> I’m of half a mind to use a script to find the edits in my area where they 
>> changed something like “left|none|none|” to “left||” and then revert them 
>> manually.
>> 
>> I know they are both officially acceptable variations but for those of us 
>> editing by hand counting the occurrences of “|none” to make sure the lane 
>> count is correct and matches what is on the ground is harder than counting 
>> the “|” occurrences. At least it is for me and I’ve had decades of practice 
>> counting open and close parens to make sure compilers wouldn’t squawk at me 
>> because they weren’t balanced.
>> 
>> And while I haven’t seen a “none;slight_right”, it looks syntacticly correct 
>> and I can imagine cases where it might be used and would defer to the local 
>> mapper who used it. (The ones in my area are much more likely to be 
>> “through;slight_right”.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Jack Burke >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, it's https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/193 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And they appear to be telling me that the combination "none;slight_right" 
>>> isn't valid.
>>> 
>>> Also, in their reply to me, they do specifically mention that they know 
>>> none is valid, yet they're replacing it anyway.  And the worst part of it 
>>> is that while they're using a script to *find* what they think is invalid, 
>>> they're *manually* making the changes.
>>> 
>>> --jack
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Hans De Kryger >> > wrote:
>>> The link Jack's talking about,
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/180 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2016 4:09 PM, "Toby Murray" >> > wrote:
>>> Mind sharing the link to the GitHub issue?
>>> 
>>> Do they think that "none" is an invalid option and are replacing it
>>> with a blank globally? If so, this should be shut down immediately.
>>> "none" and blank are both valid values and while I wouldn't mind
>>> seeing it be consistent, any such edit would need to be discussed
>>> before it is done.
>>> 
>>> Toby
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Jack Burke >> > wrote:
>>> > An active OSM group (leaving names, etc. out while they check out what I
>>> > reported) is running a script or plug-in or challenge called "to-fix" that
>>> > is apparently supposed to help fix incorrect turn:lanes values (and maybe
>>> > other things, I haven't investigated deeply enough).
>>> >
>>> > The problem is, it's breaking the 

Re: [Talk-us] Proposing import of sidewalk data Seattle, WA, USA

[Bryan Housel]

Meg this is excellent!

Thank you for sharing your plans with `talk-us` and `talk-us-pugetsound`.  I’m 
looking forward to seeing this public data source imported into OpenStreetMap.  
Given that your team is located in Seattle and is very involved with the local 
community there, I don’t see any issues. 

I think it is great that you are following the same process used by the various 
building import projects in other cities, and that you are taking 
responsibility for manual review of the data prior to importing.

Also, I’ve reviewed the proposed sidewalk schema and it aligns perfectly with 
North American sidewalk tagging conventions.

Good luck and let me know if I can be helpful in any way..

Bryan




> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Meg Drouhard  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We are proposing to import open municipal sidewalk data from the city of 
> Seattle as described in this proposal: 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seattle,_Washington/Sidewalk_Import 
> .
> 
> Imports will be tagged according to the sidewalk schema that we propose here: 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sidewalk_schema 
> .  The 
> schema is a proposal for standardization of conventions, rather than changing 
> or adding tags, and it is particularly concerned with features of sidewalks 
> that may aid or impede travel for people with limited mobility. 
> 
> We are still in the process of testing our deployment of the OSM Tasking 
> Manager for this purpose, but we appreciate any feedback you may have either 
> through our discussion pages or by email .
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Meg Drouhard
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[OSM-talk] iD news: v1.9.7 released

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iD v1.9.7 was released Jul 16 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Features on `addr:interpolation` lines will be rendered as points with icon
- Fix crash when selecting and moving multiple points
- Fix bug determining mph/kph in maxspeed field
- Fix bug that caused the map to translate far away while mouse wheeling under 
heavy load
- Rename preset description from “Chemist” to “Drugstore” in the `en_US` 
localization
- New/updated presets:
  - add `ref` field to `amenity=post_box`
  - add preset for `emergency=defibrillator`
  - add preset for `man_made=bridge`
  - switch accessibility fields from `sloped_curb=*` to `kerb=*` 
  - add preset for `highway=give_way` (yield sign)
  - add `stars`, `rooms`, `internet_access:fee` fields for hotel presets

Thanks to many contributors!

Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#197 

Twitter:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/754662828162871296 



ALSO: I’ll be at State of the Map US in Seattle next weekend - 
http://stateofthemap.us/program/ 

We will be hacking on iD on Monday:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2016/Hands-On_Day#iD_Editor
 


And I’ll also run a workshop specifically for developers interested in 
customizing iD:
http://stateofthemap.us/2016/id-for-developers/ 


Stop by and say hello!



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[Talk-us] iD news: v1.9.7 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.7 was released Jul 16 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Features on `addr:interpolation` lines will be rendered as points with icon
- Fix crash when selecting and moving multiple points
- Fix bug determining mph/kph in maxspeed field
- Fix bug that caused the map to translate far away while mouse wheeling under 
heavy load
- Rename preset description from “Chemist” to “Drugstore” in the `en_US` 
localization
- New/updated presets:
  - add `ref` field to `amenity=post_box`
  - add preset for `emergency=defibrillator`
  - add preset for `man_made=bridge`
  - switch accessibility fields from `sloped_curb=*` to `kerb=*` 
  - add preset for `highway=give_way` (yield sign)
  - add `stars`, `rooms`, `internet_access:fee` fields for hotel presets

Thanks to many contributors!

Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#197 

Twitter:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/754662828162871296 



ALSO: I’ll be at State of the Map US in Seattle next weekend - 
http://stateofthemap.us/program/ 

We will be hacking on iD on Monday:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2016/Hands-On_Day#iD_Editor
 


And I’ll also run a workshop specifically for developers interested in 
customizing iD:
http://stateofthemap.us/2016/id-for-developers/ 


Stop by and say hello!



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[Talk-us] iD news: v1.9.6 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.6 was released June 7 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Embed interactive Mapillary JS viewer (worked on by Peter Neubauer and Kushan 
Joshi)
- Add “grill” as search term for `amenity=bbq` preset (worked on by Manfred 
Brandl)
- When setting Wikipedia field value, also set corresponding Wikidata tag 
(worked on by Minh Nguyễn)

Changelog: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#196 


These are some very cool new features that we’ve been waiting a long time for — 
please share!

Twitter:  
  v1.9.6: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/740557505634422784 

  Wikidata: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/740567649894031369 

  Mapillary JS:  https://twitter.com/Mapbox/status/740210415641198592 


Blog:  https://www.mapbox.com/blog/id-mapillary-js/ 



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[OSM-talk] iD news: v1.9.6 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.6 was released June 7 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Embed interactive Mapillary JS viewer (worked on by Peter Neubauer and Kushan 
Joshi)
- Add “grill” as search term for `amenity=bbq` preset (worked on by Manfred 
Brandl)
- When setting Wikipedia field value, also set corresponding Wikidata tag 
(worked on by Minh Nguyễn)

Changelog: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#196 


These are some very cool new features that we’ve been waiting a long time for — 
please share!

Twitter:  
  v1.9.6: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/740557505634422784 

  Wikidata: https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/740567649894031369 

  Mapillary JS:  https://twitter.com/Mapbox/status/740210415641198592 


Blog:  https://www.mapbox.com/blog/id-mapillary-js/ 



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[Talk-us] iD news: v1.9.5 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.5 was released May 25 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Fix bug causing Russian track type translated strings to sneak into tag values
- Change color of save button as user edits increase (built by tanerochris)
- Spacebar can now be used to click for faster drawing (built by brandonreavis)
- Localized phone number placeholder (built by dobratzp)
- Command-B / Control-B will switch to recently used Background imagery (built 
by RoPP)
- Fix bug causing greedy autocompletion of dropdown control (built by Kushan 
Joshi)
- More presets, bug fixes, usability improvements

Many thanks to everyone who contributed to this release!  I’m really excited 
about how many people are contributing to iD these days. 

Changelog: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#195 

Twitter:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/735468105435119616 



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[OSM-talk] iD news: v1.9.5 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.5 was released May 25 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Fix bug causing Russian track type translated strings to sneak into tag values
- Change color of save button as user edits increase (built by tanerochris)
- Spacebar can now be used to click for faster drawing (built by brandonreavis)
- Localized phone number placeholder (built by dobratzp)
- Command-B / Control-B will switch to recently used Background imagery (built 
by RoPP)
- Fix bug causing greedy autocompletion of dropdown control (built by Kushan 
Joshi)
- More presets, bug fixes, usability improvements

Many thanks to everyone who contributed to this release!  I’m really excited 
about how many people are contributing to iD these days. 

Changelog: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#195 

Twitter:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/735468105435119616 



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[Talk-us] iD news: v1.9.4 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.4 was released May 3 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org 

The release includes:
- Fix bug causing the Save button to remain disabled even when changeset 
comment entered
- Support setting imagery offset via url parameter
- New multiple selection field type (built by Kushan Joshi), used for tagging:
   - `payment:*`  (supported on Vending Machine presets)
   - `currency:*`  (supported on Vending Machine, Money Exchange, ATM presets)
   - `fuel:*`  (supported on Gas Station, Marine Fuel Station presets)
   - `recycling:*`  (supported on Recycling presets)
- Additional bug fixes and usability improvements

Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#194 

Twitter:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/727858394414100481 



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[OSM-talk] iD news: v1.9.4 released

[Bryan Housel]

iD v1.9.4 was released May 3 2016 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org

The release includes:
- Fix bug causing the Save button to remain disabled even when changeset 
comment entered
- Support setting imagery offset via url parameter
- New multiple selection field type (built by Kushan Joshi), used for tagging:
   - `payment:*`  (supported on Vending Machine presets)
   - `currency:*`  (supported on Vending Machine, Money Exchange, ATM presets)
   - `fuel:*`  (supported on Gas Station, Marine Fuel Station presets)
   - `recycling:*`  (supported on Recycling presets)
- Additional bug fixes and usability improvements

Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#194 

Twitter:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/727858394414100481 



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[Talk-us] iD news: v1.9.3 release and participation in Google Summer of Code

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Hi, OSM!
Just wanted to announce a few things about the iD editor project..

iD 1.9.3 was released Monday 4/25/16 and is now available for editing on 
openstreetmap.org .
The release includes:
- easy draggable imagery offset adjustment control (built by Kushan Joshi)
- warning for user if they mention Google in their changeset comment
- terrain backgrounds provided by Stamen and Thunderforest (Andy Allan)
- new presets:  Prison, Coffee Shop, Nutrition Supplements store
- various bug fixes and usability improvements

Changelog:  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#193 

Twitter:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/724698730662907904 



Also..
iD will be participating in Google Summer of Code!  
I’ll be working with Kushan Joshi on building a visual lane editor within iD 
this summer.  
Kushan has been a valuable contributor to iD over the past several months and 
I’m really looking forward to this project.  
Please join me in congratulating Kushan and welcoming him to the OSM community!

We’re tracking lane tagging on this GitHub ticket, 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/387 
, where Kushan has shared a 
link to his proposal.

Blog:  https://www.mapbox.com/blog/osm-gsoc-id/ 

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This year I am trying to stick to a roughly monthly release schedule for iD.  
If people find it helpful, I’ll continue to post iD release news on the OSM 
mailing lists.  
And as always, follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel 
, or follow the iD project on GitHub 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD  for 
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[Talk-us] iD 1.8.1 release candidate with IE11 & Edge support

[Bryan Housel]

Hey everyone,  Just wanted to send a quick note that I’ve prepared a new 
version of iD that supports Internet Explorer 11 and Edge browsers (finally!). 

I have only tested these browsers through vmware, so I would really like to get 
some more mappers to try them out and let me know if there are any major issues 
before I push this new version of iD to the main openstreetmap site.   If all 
is well, we can enable iD for IE users nest week.

iD 1.8.1 release candidate is available for testing here:  
https://openstreetmap.us/iD/release

As always, we welcome feedback and bug reports on the Github issue tracker:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Try it out and let me know what you think, thanks!

Bryan



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[OSM-talk] iD 1.8.1 release candidate with IE11 & Edge support

[Bryan Housel]

Hey everyone,  Just wanted to send a quick note that I’ve prepared a new 
version of iD that supports Internet Explorer 11 and Edge browsers (finally!). 

I have only tested these browsers through vmware, so I would really like to get 
some more mappers to try them out and let me know if there are any major issues 
before I push this new version of iD to the main openstreetmap site.   If all 
is well, we can enable iD for IE users nest week.

iD 1.8.1 release candidate is available for testing here:  
https://openstreetmap.us/iD/release

As always, we welcome feedback and bug reports on the Github issue tracker:  
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues

Try it out and let me know what you think, thanks!

Bryan



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Re: [OSM-talk] highway=residential_link

[Bryan Housel]

Makes sense to me for little connecting ways between `highway=residential`

I just added a `highway=residential_link` here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/379558356#map=19/40.68813/-74.38970 



Thanks, Bryan



> On Nov 10, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> sounds not very likely. At the point where a motorway or even tertiary road 
> becomes a residential road, it will clearly change a lot (or otherwise it 
> would remain a tertiary etc. road). A residential link would be a road 
> between 2 residential roads (or a residential and an inferior road like a 
> service), because if it were a higher road class to which the residential 
> connects, the link would be called after that road class. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Post-seism Pleiades images of 3 Afghanistan cities

[Bryan Housel]

FYI, iD does understand {zoom} in an imagery url - you don’t need to replace it 
with {z}.  

Thanks, Bryan



> On Oct 29, 2015, at 6:54 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After the Oct 26 Badakhshan earthquake, Airbus DS has donated access to
> Pleiades images of three Afghan cities, Fayzabad, Taloqan and Kunduz,
> taken on Oct 28, and acquired within the framework of the International
> Charter, Space and Major Disasters.
> 
> They have been processed (pansharpening, conversion and color
> processing) and set-up on OpenStreetMap France server, and are available
> as TMS and WMS.
> 
> TMS URL for JOSM:
> tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/afghanistan_pleiades_20151028/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
> 
> (for iD, replace "zoom" with "z")
> 
> A layer with near infrared band displayed as red is also available:
> tms[23]:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/afghanistan_pleiades_20151028_nir/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
> 
> 
> The WMS access for each is at :
> http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/wms
> 
> 
> Due in particular to the rushed and difficult treatment conditions,
> there is an offset relative to Bing, which should be corrected in your
> editor before tracing data for OSM.
> 
> They are licensed under the "special web license for OSM", which in
> short only allows to use the image to develop derivative works (=
> "trace") provided that they are included in OSM database. Full text:
> http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/airbus-ds/Web%20Licence%20for%20Non-Commercial%20Use%20with%20OSM.pdf
> 
> Use "source=Pleiades 20151028, CNES, Airbus DS"
> 
> 
> Note that Copernicus Grading Maps of Fayzabad and Taloqan show no
> visible damage detected.
> In Kunduz, the visible damage to the MSF Hospital is not due to the
> earthquake...
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jean-Guilhem
> https://twitter.com/jgc310
> 
> 
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> turns out to be officially considered that this kind of email absolutely
> needs a priori moderation there...
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