Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN wiki page

2020-11-17 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/11/2020 22:34, Jez Nicholson wrote:
From my change request discussion it appears that the UPRN appeared on 
the road as part of a test of Robert's Mathmos matching.


The USRN and the UPRN tags showed the same number, I believe. The UPRN 
tag has now been removed leaving only the USRN, but the number concerned 
is not the USRN for that road.


Isn't there a sandbox for people to test things out without hitting the 
live database?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Holes in modern England?

2020-10-31 Thread Steve Doerr

On 31/10/2020 08:04, Martin Wynne wrote:


The NLS historic 25" georeferenced map first looks on the server for 
tiles from the County Series maps.


If that returns a 404 Not Found error (presumably because the sheet 
wasn't available when the rest were scanned), it then looks on the 
server for the same tile from the "Holes England" map to fill in the gap.





Yes. I look at these quite a lot. There is more than one holes layer, I 
believe: the ones I have on my list are england_holes, holes_england, 
and holes2.


You can configure OSMAnd to show three of these layers at once (usually 
county plus two of the holes layers), which is quite useful.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Street-name toids

2020-08-15 Thread Steve Doerr

On 13/08/2020 13:06, SK53 wrote:
This location 
 on Robert's 
site shows several UPRNs on streets:


  * 10009154384 on Averton Square



That's a link to openstreetmap.org, not to something called 'Robert's site'.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries and Combined Authorities

2020-07-27 Thread Steve Doerr
Could they perhaps be 5.5 to distinguish them from regions?

Steve





From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]





I favour admin  level 5 too.



On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 at 23:52, Colin Smale mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> > wrote:

The LAs of which the CAs are composed are sometimes Metropolitan Boroughs with 
admin_level=8, and sometimes Unitary Authorities with admin_level=6. I am 
tending towards admin_level=5; this value is/was in use for the Regions, but 
they no longer have an admin function (if they ever had one) so I consider 
admin level 5 as "available" for use by Combined Authorities.



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Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Steve Doerr

On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote:
So, it seems that Fairfield [Road] isn't known to either OS or Google. 
It is shown (in abbreviated form) on streetmap.co.uk, but at that zoom 
level, in London, that's based on the Bartholomew A-Z maps rather than 
OS.


For what it's worth, I also found it in a street atlas published by 
Geographia. I don't know if that's the same company as A-Z. I also don't 
know the date of the street atlas and neither do I know how old a street 
atlas (non-OS) would have to be in order to be able to copy a name from it.


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Re: [Talk-GB] "secret" site

2020-06-30 Thread Steve Doerr

On 29/06/2020 22:56, Colin Smale wrote:
It was completed in 1964 as the GPO Tower. The GPO became the Post 
Office in 1969, at which time the tower was also renamed.


I stand corrected - partially. It seems to have been referred to in 
pariament as the Post Office Tower as early as 1963: https://bit.ly/2ZkUVah


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Re: [Talk-GB] "secret" site

2020-06-29 Thread Steve Doerr

On 29/06/2020 08:20, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
The GPO Tower (AKA Telecom Tower AKA BT Tower) only started to appear 
in public maps in 1984


I don't remember it ever being called the GPO Tower. It was always the 
Post Office Tower.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Steve Doerr
Is this relevant/ 
https://ecoworldlondon.com/places-to-live/current/verdo-kew-bridge


Steve


On 30/03/2020 18:58, Andy Townsend wrote:


I've sent another "message to be read before continuing to edit" 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3592 .


It'd be good if everyone could have a look at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 and comment there if 
there are further problems (I've added the first obvious question).  
I've explicitly said at the current block that they should answer 
questions that have been asked before any more editing.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote:


He's back, and he's unimpressed...

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995

"Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"


On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote:


On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything 
mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not 
look promising.





On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> 
wrote:


I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the
same person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing 
to edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 .


We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so 
I'll revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by 
other users; most have been reverted already but some (such as 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look 
somewhat implausible.


Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)




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Re: [Talk-GB] Map with AI comes to the UK

2020-01-11 Thread Steve Doerr

On 11/01/2020 12:41, Rob Nickerson wrote:


In JOSM add it using:

wmts:https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/robjn/ck59jksa71nym1co31kr8mulb/wmts?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoicm9iam4iLCJhIjoid0dYNkY1QSJ9.A-0lzQOawGYICYPfURsjDA

And in iD Editor add it using:

https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/robjn/ck59jksa71nym1co31kr8mulb/tiles/256/{zoom}/{x}/{y}?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoicm9iam4iLCJhIjoid0dYNkY1QSJ9.A-0lzQOawGYICYPfURsjDA



And Potlatch?

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[Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names

2019-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr
Does anyone recognize this? A few months ago, I remember visiting a 
website that was looking to crowdsource meaningful names for 
neighbourhoods. I think it was based on Census Output Areas, probably at 
the LSOA level. It had a map showing the boundaries of the areas, and 
they had preloaded suggested names for each one (possibly based on ward 
names?). You could click on an area and suggest a better name based on 
your local knowledge.


I'd be interested to find that website again. Or anything similar.

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way vs. tracks

2019-10-03 Thread Steve Doerr

On 29/09/2019 21:58, Edward Bainton wrote:
> running from 511,025.344 298,855.444 Meters to 510,856.672 
298,723.814 Meters

>
> I don't recognise that coordinate system: is it any help for OSM?

It's a millimetre-precision version of the Ordnance Survey grid 
reference. For conversion, see e.g. 
http://streetmap.co.uk/idgc.srf?x=511025.344=298855.444



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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-11 Thread Steve Doerr

On 10/03/2019 15:15, David Woolley wrote:


Concessions aren't limited to Argos and have existed for decades, at 
least, in department stores.



Note that Argos is now a subsidiary of Sainsbury's. Wikipedia even 
states that 'Sainsbury's intend to close most if not all separate Argos 
shops and integrate them into its large Sainsbury's supermarkets', so it 
is not quite like a true concession.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Possible Unattributed Map on Labrokes Website

2019-02-07 Thread Steve Doerr

On 07/02/2019 17:59, talk...@manet-computer.co.uk wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but is there anyone who can 
look at https://thegrid.ladbrokes.com/en/shoplocator to see if they 
are using OpenStreetmap data without proper attribution?



Looks like they are. Housenumber information in my local area matches 
exactly with what I've entered into OSM.



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[Talk-GB] Facebook Map Query - Thames rendered as Thanames

2018-10-25 Thread Steve Doerr
A user on the Facebook group 'UK Places Editors' has commented on the 
fact that some maps on Facebook pages in the vicinity of Putney Bridge 
(London) show the River Thames as 'Thanames'. See, for example, 
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Putney-Bridge/103150243057869



A bit of browser debugging shows that it's accessing the URL 
https://external-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/static_map.php?v=1013_provider=2=324x160=15=51.46701240%2C-0.21317368=en_GB=2



Note the parameter _provider=2


Can anyone shed light on what tile service is being used here and what 
could be causing the Thanames name to appear? I can see that adjacent 
tiles rendered at different times, so that the label 'Thames' occurs in 
a different position, could cause something that looks like 'Thanames' 
when they are joined together, but I can't produce any evidence of this.



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Re: [Talk-GB] What was the outcome of the discussion about C class roads with ref tags?

2018-09-24 Thread Steve Doerr
The same thing, by the looks of it: 
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Buckinghamshire_Council#Classified_Unnumbered_.28Class_III.29_and_Unclassified_Roads



Steve


On 24/09/2018 09:34, Stuart Reynolds wrote:

[Side question, albeit not totally off-topic]

Out of curiosity, I understand what a C road is, conceptually, but 
what might an “MC” designation mean? E.g. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/426675505


Regards,
Stuart




On 24 Sep 2018, at 09:30, Paul Berry > wrote:


I would have thought lists like this should be on the Wiki, even if 
they don't make it to the map.


Regards,
/Paul/

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 21:34, Neil Matthews > wrote:


> If there are tertiary ways that don't meet the above criteria they
> should be listed in some form of text file for individual
editing if
> appropriate.

Where does this text file live? Better to add notes to the map /
fixmes
to the data.

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Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-09-19 Thread Steve Doerr

On 19/09/2018 16:04, Andrew Black wrote:

There is a very big difference

- ceremonial counties exist now and so are in scope for OSM.  As you 
say here are differences between them and admin counties when unitary 
authorties are involved

 - traditional counties are an attempt to recreate the past
So I don't think these trad counties have any ceremonial existence any 
more.  Which means they are just causing confusion.


I live in London. The place I live in has been inb the county of 
London since 1889. But the traditional county beast says I live in Surrey.



Then you will be familiar with the annual boat race between Oxford and 
Cambridge universities, at the start of which they toss a coin to decide 
who will row from the 'Surrey station' and who from the 'Middlesex 
station'. These counties still have cultural significance today.



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Re: [Talk-GB] un-named roads in UK

2018-08-31 Thread Steve Doerr

On 30/08/2018 22:26, Mark Goodge wrote:
It was incredibly confusing to visitors, as the hamlet was nowhere 
near the post town. So we inserted "near [parish name]" as the second 
line, when giving the address. 



Off-topic, but the Royal Mail have long discouraged the use of 'Near', 
but they do allow the use of 'Via'.



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Re: [Talk-GB] un-named roads in UK

2018-08-31 Thread Steve Doerr

On 30/08/2018 17:40, Ed Loach wrote:


I missed the start of this thread as I was away, but there are some 
unnamed roads in England with houses on that just have a postal 
address in the format


house name, hamlet name, parish name, postal town

or at least there is the one where I commented on this note:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1390266

for this way

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26465561



Referred to as Ravens Green Lane in this Historic England listing: 
https://www.historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1147155



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Re: [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper required

2018-07-14 Thread Steve Doerr

Do they not have any architects' drawings they could share?


Steve



On 14/07/2018 12:11, talk...@manet-computer.co.uk wrote:


Is this something that could be done over a series of evenings and a 
couple of afternoons or is it a larger task?


Bing has some images, not sure how old they are.

*From:*David Earl [mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com]
*Sent:* 13 July 2018 17:11
*To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper 
required


The University of Northampton is opening a new campus very soon 
between between Bedford Road and New South Bridge Road. They would 
like to get a detailed campus map onto OSM as soon as possible, 
ideally by August 1. I haven't looked but I'm assuming this would have 
to be a ground survey as it is all new buildings so won't be on 
satellite (though maybe some building footprints might be), and in any 
case that wouldn't get down to the level of access doors, or building 
occupiers. If copyright permission can be obtained, I'm guessing they 
may have plans that could serve part of the job.


They would be open to employing someone to do the surveying, 
especially as it has a short timescale. I can't really do it as it's 
too far from home to do repeated trips or fit it into my current 
schedule, otherwise I'd have jumped at it (I worked with the contact 
doing Cambridge University maps, and I'm sending this with her 
permission).


If anyone is interested, please contact Amy Moore in their estates 
services department: amy.mo...@northampton.ac.uk 



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Re: [Talk-GB] Nottingham Cottage, Kensington

2018-05-23 Thread Steve Doerr

On 22/05/2018 19:22, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Nottingham Cottage, in the grounds of Kensington Palace, is in the
news as the new home of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (Prince Harry &
Meghan Markle).


Not particularly new, as I believe they've lived there since their 
engagement.



It doesn't seem to be labelled on OSM. Can anyone oblige, and/ or give
its coordinates, please?


It's on this OOC OS map: 
https://maps.nls.uk/view/103028721#zoom=5=2286=5761=BT


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

2018-05-04 Thread Steve Doerr

On 04/05/2018 12:52, Lester Caine wrote:

it's not helped when postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post 
offices in there search results! According to them Broadway does not 
have a post office ;)


It comes up for me at Russell Square, Back Lane, Broadway, 
Worcestershire, WR12 7AP. I searched on that postcode. Or is there 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

2018-01-29 Thread Steve Doerr

On 29/01/2018 11:36, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:


Ah, I see that tagging would create a lot of false positives in my
tool and make it much less useful!

My understanding is that addr:postcode should be used only as part of
an address. So if you want to put a postcode on a street (or part of a
street) then addr:postcode isn't the best tag to use. Instead, there's
a postal_code=* tag defined in the wiki at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code which would seem
to be more appropriate for this use case.




Maybe. But rather than open up a whole tagging debate and then 
potentially start a retagging exercise, would it make sense as an 
immediate fix for the tool to ignore objects with a highway tag?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Hull road renamed after rugby league star - BBC News

2018-01-27 Thread Steve Doerr

On 27/01/2018 13:21, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On 27 January 2018 at 09:51, Colin Spiller  wrote:


I see malcolmh has already renamed it.

Cool, but my question was "Does anyone have the coordinates, or the ID
of the way, please?"


To which the answer, I think it's safe to say, is 'yes'.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

2017-11-03 Thread Steve Doerr

On 03/11/2017 10:59, Ilya Zverev wrote:

3 нояб. 2017 г., в 13:21, Andy Townsend  написал(а):



Last time you proposed this it took only a few seconds to identify problems 
with the data.  It's the same this time - at least some of the changes that 
your map suggests you're proposing to import 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2917373098 are incorrect (address info in 
this example).

How is the address info there incorrect? Did you see the correct address of the 
building? Googling shows that amenities there are indeed addressed by Markham 
Lane, just like the Markham Vale, the business centre that contains these.




The postcode (S44 5HB) is certainly wrong. Probably should be S44 5HS. 
Euro Garages (operator of the Shell garage we're talking about) is 
certainly listed at that postcode, which is Markham Lane, as you say. 
(So are 59 other locations.) Strangely, KFC and The Little Castle, on 
the same site, have a postcode of S44 5FD, which is Enterprise Way. 
Markham Vale as a whole covers about four separate development sites 
(subdivided into plots) on both sides of the M1.


In any case, Markham Ln should be expanded to Markham Lane.

addr:housenumber = 29A also looks suspicious, as this development is at 
Junction 29A of the M1!


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

2017-10-19 Thread Steve Doerr

On 19/10/2017 12:42, Dave F wrote:


Where did you get that address? Their website shows it as:

Spring River,
Talbot Lane,
Ebbsfleet,
DA10 1AZ


I got the address from a till receipt the first time I ate there, and 
also checked the Royal Mail site.



Which bit is Talbot Lane; it's not tagged.


I haven't found it yet, as it doesn't appear to be signed on the ground. 
Also, the road layout in OSM is based on aerial imagery and is out of date.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

2017-10-18 Thread Steve Doerr

On 10/10/2017 19:07, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

It doesn't seem to have been mentioned here yet, but this quarter's UK
mapping project is to improve addresses and postcodes:
https://osmuk.org/uncategorized/jump-in-to-our-quarterly-mapping-project/




It would be useful to have some guidance on tagging for UK addresses. 
For instance, how would you tag the different elements of the following 
address for a pub/carvery that opened recently near me:


The Spring River
Talbot Lane
Weldon
Ebbsfleet Valley
SWANSCOMBE
DA10 1AZ

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Re: [Talk-GB] "an extraordinary quirk in the UK address system"

2017-09-13 Thread Steve Doerr


On 13/09/2017 11:29, SK53 wrote:

Unfortunately reading the comments I noticed a remark about a No. 441A 
and I realised my interpolation must have had an error. On checking I 
found that I'd placed the known address one house over. This means 
that continuing the interpolation means that the last house on the 
Bolton side is 445. As the 441/441a is from an OS Map of uncertain 
date I felt I couldnt use that as input.




There is no 445 Manchester Road, Kearsley, BOLTON, according to the 
Royal Mail's postcode finder.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the Historic Boundaries of Wales: Commotes and Cantrefs

2017-05-20 Thread Steve Doerr

histo...@openstreetmap.org might also be interested in this.

On 19/05/2017 17:39, Andy Mabbett wrote:

[cross-posted]

FYI:

https://rcahmw.gov.uk/mapping-the-historic-boundaries-of-wales-commotes-and-cantrefs/

"The Royal Commission [on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of
Wales] has developed two digital geospatial layers using late-medieval
sources and historic parish boundaries to recreate the boundaries of
the commotes (cymydau) and cantrefs (cantrefi) of medieval Wales."




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Re: [Talk-GB] Legible London signs - tagging suggestions

2017-01-10 Thread Steve Doerr

On 10/01/2017 07:54, Robert Skedgell wrote:

ref=legible_london



I don't understand the rationale for this as a 'ref'. Refs are normally 
unique identifiers for a particular object (unique within a particular 
domain, that is). Thus each sign would have a different ref, if there 
were indeed a system of refs for Legible London signs. The value 
'legible_london' looks more like a network tag.


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2017-01-01 Thread Steve Doerr
Great. Thanks. 

Obviously the first priority is to get a UK-friendly slippy map up on the front 
page: blue motorways, green trunks, clear differentiation between A, B, C, and 
other roads, postcode and OSGR lookups, etc. 

Steve 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jan 2017, at 13:38, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
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> Basic template site now online:
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Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

2016-11-22 Thread Steve Doerr
There's a cupcake business locally which I suspect is a home business 
(as the streets in that area are only residential AFAIK). I haven't 
actually been there to check it out.


Steve

On 22/11/2016 15:54, Dave F wrote:

I think they're misusing 'private' where they mean 'personal'

I've only come across instances of mobile retailers. Does anyone have 
an example of a home business on the FHRS website?


If there's only a partial address/postcode how are OSM contributors 
adding them?

Are the co-ordinates provided?

DaveF.

On 22/11/2016 13:36, David Woolley wrote:

On 22/11/16 12:58, Dave F wrote:


On 21/11/2016 20:23, SK53 wrote:

A bit late, but according to the FHRS manual businesses run from
private addresses should be obscured (usually at the postcode district
level).


Do you have a link?


 
bottom of page 10.


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Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

2016-11-22 Thread Steve Doerr

On 22/11/2016 15:22, Dave F wrote:

Are you now suggesting the electoral roll should be hidden? Please 
don't assume duplicating freely available data in OSM makes it 
'personal' or somehow tainted.




It is possible to be 'ex-directory' in relation to the electoral register.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Autumn Quarterly Project

2016-11-13 Thread Steve Doerr

On 13/11/2016 10:49, Dave F wrote:

Could you clarify how the 'distant matches' are calculated? I'm 
confused by a couple of the errors it's thrown up:

http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/district-270.html

'Sam Wellers', 'Longvernal Primary School' (at the very bottom). Their 
fhrs:ids match. There's no postcode in OSM & the FHRS postcode is 
close to it's true location. Their dashed lines point to the same 
location.


Dave, if you look at the raw data at 
http://ratings.food.gov.uk/OpenDataFiles/FHRS857en-GB.xml, you can see 
that the location for Longvernal Primary School is given as:



-3.04113507270813
51.16165924072270


which is way out. So this is indicative of an error in the FHRS data.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

2016-11-10 Thread Steve Doerr

On 09/11/2016 07:36, Greg wrote:

I’ve now implemented Steve’s request for more clickable links in the overview map for 
each district at . In addition to 
opening the web page for each FHRS establishment, you can now open the OSM page for 
each relevant node/way or load the node/way in JOSM. I decided to go with a JOSM link 
rather than a general one so that the ‘overview’ map links match the ‘suggested 
matches’ map links, which automatically add tags to the OSM node/way. Anyone not 
using JOSM can easily follow the OSM link and then click the Edit button.

I’ve also modified most links so that they open in a new tab/window by default 
as it seems more useful to be able to keep the map view open in the original 
tab/window.



That's great. Thanks, Greg!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

2016-10-18 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/10/2016 21:47, Greg wrote:

I think the most useful link would probably be one that loads the OSM 
node/way in JOSM using the remote control function in the same way 
that the suggested matches map links do. Obviously you’d have to put 
the address details into JOSM manually, but you could use the FHRS 
links on nearby blue dots to find these.


Thanks, Greg. I'm afraid the JOSM link would not be of use to me, as I'm 
a Potlatch user, but I realize I can't have the tool specifically 
tailored to me, so if JOSM is the predominant editor I guess that's 
where you will want to focus your attention.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

2016-10-16 Thread Steve Doerr
Thanks for providing this tool, Greg. I've found it very useful so far 
for adding address information based on the possible matches identified 
on the second map, where most of the dots have a link both to OSM and to 
the FHRS entry.


However, I've now reached the stage where I need to look more at the 
upper map, where there seem to be fewer clickable links. If you could 
provide links to OSM for every dot on the map, that would be helpful. 
(If you're showing them on your map, you must have derived a long/lat 
which you could link to.)


Hoping that this is not an unreasonable request - and apologies if it is.

Regards,
Steve



On 11/10/2016 07:37, Greg wrote:
These district statistics CSV files will now be copied each day to 
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/, so there will be a 
file per day in case anyone would like to track progress.


Thanks,
Greg


On 9 Oct 2016, at 21:00, Greg > wrote:


The python-fhrs-osm tool will now create a CSV file containing 
statistics for each district each day, which should allow detailed 
tracking. It will be located at 
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/stats--mm-dd.csv once 
the tool runs this evening.


Thanks,
Greg


On 4 Oct 2016, at 17:58, Greg > wrote:


In case it's useful for tracking, you can get the full list of tags used
by my comparison tool at the link below. The tool downloads nodes/ways
with those tags and any nodes/ways with an fhrs:id tag set.

https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/blob/master/filter-osm.sh#L5-L13

Thanks,
Greg


On 02/10/16 17:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:


Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging redevelopment and closed roads

2016-09-20 Thread Steve Doerr

On 20/09/2016 10:38, Derick Rethans wrote:


If the items no longer function as how they are described, and not will
come back, I would delete them right away.


I disagree. Any feature in the landscape should remain mapped until it 
has actually disappeared. In the mean time, the 'disused:' namespace or 
similar should be used/


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Re: [Talk-GB] Rare postboxes no longer so rare?

2016-09-03 Thread Steve Doerr

On 03/09/2016 00:23, Rob Nickerson wrote:


I thought these postboxes were supposed to be really rare. Seems like 
loads have been added this year:


There are supposed to be about 130 of them(*), of which OSM has 140.

(*) http://inamidst.com/topic/edwardboxes

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project April-June 2016

2016-04-01 Thread Steve Doerr

On 01/04/2016 11:51, Ed Loach wrote:

With noon rapidly approaching I'll withdraw my earlier suggestion regarding 
deleting sadly-lacking-in-information buildings as part of a future project.



LOL. Brilliant! Took me in.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries in Northern Ireland

2016-01-27 Thread Steve Doerr
Looks like there is some open data available including 2012 districts (I 
think these are the 'super councils' referred to):

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/index/information-and-services/property-and-housing/your-neighbourhood-roads-and-streets/ordnance-survey-of-northern-ireland/product-range/digital-products/large-scale-vector-boundary-data.htm

Steve


On 27/01/2016 11:50, Killyfole and District Development Association wrote:

Hi Walter,

We don't actually have defined cities like in other parts of the world. In
fact there are only 5 which are classed as cities.  They are Armagh, Belfast,
Derry/Londonderry, Lisburn and Newry.

Historically, each city had its own council. But recently the councils have
been merged into what we called super councils.   For example the new super-
council covering Armagh City, now covers a huge area and is called "Armagh
City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council"  the only completely intact
council being Belfast City Council.

The boundaries are defined by the OSNI/LPS and up until a few months ago all
their data was Crown copyright.  They have started to release some data under
an Open Government Licence but this is a slow, painful process!  The Royal
Mail also own the addresses and postcodes here and while they have been forced
to "open" the postcode in other parts of the UK, they still refuse to do it
here.  This makes all data sources we would need to plot city boundaries are
copyrighted by various organisations.

I hope this explains the situation here in "Norn Iron"

Clive (KDDA)

On Wednesday 27 January 2016 11:52:12 Walter Nordmann wrote:

thx, Colin.

But it can't be ok that there are no city boundaries in N-I any more.
Ok, counties may be historic now, but Cities?

see: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=belfast%2C ireland

only result is a place-node. OMG

Regards
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Wales data

2016-01-19 Thread Steve Doerr

On 19/01/2016 15:55, Bogus Zaba wrote:

On 19/01/16 14:58, Lester Caine wrote:

http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/edubasealldata20160119.csv
36Mb, and a little slow downloading, but has all the data and seems to
be updated regularly even if it still has old website url's and other
content ;)


Lester -

Thanks for this, but I think this link is not fully functional right
now. Firefox, Chromium and a simple
wget command all give me a truncated file about 6.6MB. Needless to say
it's missing the
Welsh Council areas.



I just downloaded it using Leechget: 36 MB, 43962 rows in Excel.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

2016-01-17 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/01/2016 12:55, Lester Caine wrote:

On 17/01/16 11:08, Edward Betts wrote:

This is the list of Wikidata tags that I actually plan to add:

https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/matches_2016-01-16.txt

Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the
edubase references to each of these, and this will replace the need for
an additional wikidata tag. Better to just have the one primary reference.



-1

Leaving aside any arguments over whether we should have Wikidata links 
at all, it seems a bit ludicrous to exempt one specific category of 
objects in one specific country simply because that country has its own 
local referencing system for that kind of object. If anything, Wikidata 
should take precedence as it is worldwide and not confined to a single 
category of objects. Having both references could provide the 
opportunity for cross-validation in the future, if EDUBASE numbers are 
added to Wikidata (or vice versa).


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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS OS 6in E in Potlatch & iD

2015-12-30 Thread Steve Doerr

On 30/12/2015 18:31, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 30/12/15 18:26, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 30/12/2015 18:09, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 30/12/15 17:04, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 03/01/2015 17:47, Tom Hughes wrote:


They changed the URL for that layer recently when they merged the
separate England+Wales and Scotland layers for the 2nd edition 6 inch
maps into one layer. I've updated the wiki, but this should work:

tms:http://nls-{switch:0,1,2,3}.tileserver.com/os_6_inch_gb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg 






Changed again?


Yes, it's now behind an API key because that is one of the layers they
are now selling access to:

http://maps.nls.uk/projects/subscription-api/



OK. Well, this worked for me:
http://nls-0.tileserver.com/fpsUZbxtgtkn/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg


Yes I knew the API key they were using on their own site, but I wasn't 
going to broadcast it to everybody given it is clearly their intent 
that people wanting a key should cough up


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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS OS 6in E in Potlatch & iD

2015-12-30 Thread Steve Doerr

On 30/12/2015 18:09, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 30/12/15 17:04, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 03/01/2015 17:47, Tom Hughes wrote:


They changed the URL for that layer recently when they merged the
separate England+Wales and Scotland layers for the 2nd edition 6 inch
maps into one layer. I've updated the wiki, but this should work:

tms:http://nls-{switch:0,1,2,3}.tileserver.com/os_6_inch_gb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg 





Changed again?


Yes, it's now behind an API key because that is one of the layers they 
are now selling access to:


http://maps.nls.uk/projects/subscription-api/



OK. Well, this worked for me: 
http://nls-0.tileserver.com/fpsUZbxtgtkn/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg


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Re: [Talk-GB] ITO World - OSM OS Locator Analysis

2015-12-10 Thread Steve Doerr
I think the URL may have changed. Try 
http://product.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main


Steve

On 10/12/2015 22:34, Robert Neil wrote:


ITOWorld OSM / OS Locator missing street analysis has been off for a 
couple of weeks with page not found.


Anyone know what is happening with it?

Regards,

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Re: [Talk-GB] traffic calming

2015-11-22 Thread Steve Doerr

On 22/11/2015 19:37, Chris Hill wrote:


Mechanical edits need to be discussed. He then
indicated that he would discuss the tags on tagging@ - indeed he
suggested leaving his edit and discussing it on tagging@. I wanted also
to make it clear that tagging@ is not the best place to discuss
mechanical edits


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Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-30 Thread Steve Doerr

Lester,

In the short term, would substituting http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/ 
solve your rendering problems?


Steve

On 31/10/2015 02:09, Lester Caine wrote:

OK ... what do we need to do to get a working UK map again?

Bing and Google are almost useless, and the new indistinguishable
rendering primary routes and motorways on OSM once everything finally
re-renders are going to be useless as well. I've just spent another
couple of hours trying to remember where I got to with the machine I've
been trying to build here to provide just the UK and Ireland, but I'm
going to have to go back to first principals and ignore the Nginx layer
and go back to slow old Apache for the tile cache :(

I know why the current tile servers can't handle more than one style,
and in my book THAT was the first problem that needed fixing rather than
forcing a complete new style sheet with no option to retain the current
style in parallel. So what do we need to do to get a UK friendly service
working?

I would like to throw into the mix that it would make sense to me if a
complete new rendering service also handled historic mapping as well
which should be relatively easy to do if confined to just the UK, but I
think we may need to be open to rendering more than just the UK?

It's bad enough at the moment tying to cope with W10 being rammed into
my clients systems and breaking perfectly good operational hardware,
android apps changing various operating procedures in illogical ways,
and the various 'browser improvements' resulting in even more legacy
sites no longer working without also having to start reworking every map
used across my client base. OSM is the only source that has much of the
detail that I need to show, and retaining blue ad green road links is
essential in my book ... and one of the reasons I started even
developing with OSM.




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Re: [Talk-GB] 'Romantic London' - reusing Horwood's 1790's map

2015-10-27 Thread Steve Doerr

motco.com is very good as well, specifically http://motco.com/map/

Steve

On 27/10/2015 14:41, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
For those of you interested in old maps generally, you may already be 
aware of the site http://www.mapco.net/ which has a wide selection of 
freely-viewable historical maps of London and other places. They are 
only images, and they are not digitised, however they are very useful 
for finding old places and tracking changes of street names. Note that 
they are copyrighted images so we can’t use them in OSM (as far as I 
can tell) - see http://www.mapco.net/terms.htm - but for people who 
are generally interested in maps you might find it of interest!


Cheers
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On 27 Oct 2015, at 13:30, Andy Mabbett > wrote:


I witnessed a fascinating presentation, this morning, on a project
which has digitised the first map of London at building level, and
overlays it with data from other sources:

http://www.romanticlondon.org/

The data sets are freely available, but the British Library claims
copyright over the map images - I'm sure some of you will have your
own views about this.

I shall notify the project's creator, Dr Matthew Sangster, about this
post, and invite him to join this list. He would be a good speaker for
a future OSM conference.

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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS OS 6in EW in Potlatch iD

2015-08-26 Thread Steve Doerr

On 26/08/2015 21:58, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 26/08/15 21:35, Steve Doerr wrote:


Anyone know if there's a tms address for the imagery set shown here:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=8lat=51.6206lon=-0.1766layers=176 
?


Oohh... That's new... Yes, there is but as they are county series maps 
they seem to have one URL per county. Ones I have identified so far are:


 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/middlesex/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/essex/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/england_holes/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/kent/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/surrey/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/sussex/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/buckingham/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata2/os/25_inch/london/{z}/{x}/{y}.png



Thanks, Tom. As luck would have it, my home town is mostly on the kent  
layer, but partly on england_holes!


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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS OS 6in EW in Potlatch iD

2015-08-26 Thread Steve Doerr

On 03/01/2015 17:47, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 03/01/15 17:05, Steve Doerr wrote:

I'm sure I've used the National Library of Scotland's set of 6-inch OS
maps for England and Wales (1888-1913) as a background layer in Potlatch
2 before now, but at the moment I can't seem to get it to work. I've
also tried unsuccessfully in iD. I'm probably doing something very
simple wrong. Could someone else try it and confirm what URL they're
using? The layer is documented here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland#Using_the_NLS_historical_mapping_for_OSM_editing. 



They changed the URL for that layer recently when they merged the 
separate England+Wales and Scotland layers for the 2nd edition 6 inch 
maps into one layer. I've updated the wiki, but this should work:


tms:http://nls-{switch:0,1,2,3}.tileserver.com/os_6_inch_gb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg 



Anyone know if there's a tms address for the imagery set shown here: 
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=8lat=51.6206lon=-0.1766layers=176 ?


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Re: [Talk-GB] OS Open Names

2015-06-03 Thread Steve Doerr

On 03/06/2015 18:57, Chris Hill wrote:

You can use the tiles in JOSM and P2 using the url below[2]


[2] http://www.raggedred.net/tiles/opennames/{z}/{x}/{y}.png 


For Potlatch 2, I think it needs to be 
http://www.raggedred.net/tiles/opennames/$z/$x/$y.png. 
http://www.raggedred.net/tiles/opennames/$z/$x/$y.png


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Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Steve Doerr
Look here instead: 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#17/50.0553/-5.6555num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=nokia-map


Steve

On 15/05/2015 10:44, Paul Sladen wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015, Jason Woollacott wrote:

Looks like there has been an issue with changeset 30821940 Which
seems to have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940

Could you describe in slightly more detail /what/ is probably
wrong/broken.  I've skimmed the route, comparing it to other
providers:

   
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#14/50.6104/-4.4456num=4mt0=geofabrikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=nokia-map

and (positionally) there would appear to be reasonable consistency.
Is it new nodes, or a meta-data issue (eg. swapped with A39); or
something else?

   Caveat emptor: I'm not a local.

-Paul




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Re: [Talk-GB] What was the outcome of the discussion about C class roads with ref tags?

2015-05-04 Thread Steve Doerr
I once saw some friends on Facebook discussing the state of a road local 
to them in Dorset, and they referred to it by its C number throughout. 
Personally, I quite like the fact that our map has C numbers on where 
other maps don't. What I don't like, though, is seeing U numbers for 
unclassified roads, which are cluttering up the map of my home area 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.42292/0.34775).


Steve

On 04/05/2015 08:35, Graham Jones wrote:


I don't know where the discussion got to, but thought I should point 
out that at least one road in North Yorkshire is a C road that is 
signposted as such.
The road here does have signs with the C designation. 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/54.5696/-1.0016

I don't think I added it so at least one other person must agree!

Cheers

Graham

from my Phone (hence dodgy spelling!)

On 4 May 2015 01:20, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com 
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:


Hi

I seem to remember there was general consensus that C class roads
shouldn't have their reference number in the ref tag as they
aren't really for public use, such as on signs or maps, but the
official use of local councils etc.

It was suggested, therefore, to swap them to a tag like off_ref,
or some such similar. Was this agreed upon?

If there is consensus I personally think this would be a valid use
of a mass edit due to the large number
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/98Y Does anyone have experience of
doing such a auto edit?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Road-name oddity in Bath

2015-05-04 Thread Steve Doerr
See also the Comments section here: 
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/8203-Victoria-Bridge-passageway-close-weeks/story-23347562-detail/story.html#comments


Steve

On 04/05/2015 00:37, Dave F. wrote:

Hi Andy

While what was there before certainly wasn't correct I don't believe 
Nick Austin's recent edits correct the situation.


There certainly is a Stanier Road along that stretch along with an Ivo 
Peters Rd. Where those two concatenate is uncertain.


ITO has no Ivo Peters:
http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser?bbox=350785,152770,380729,171227referrer=area 



However there is an Ivo Peters road sign.
https://goo.gl/maps/Or3TH

I've re edited to what I think is the correct layout, but wiling to be 
proven wrong.


Dave F.


On 02/05/2015 18:49, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Around:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.38137mlon=-2.37016#map=19/51.38137/-2.37016

Stanier Road seems to become Ivo Peters Road, then Stanier Road again

Meanwhile, slightly to the NE, there is another Ivo Peters Road.

Is something mis-tagged?




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Re: [Talk-GB] Road Names Quarterly Project

2015-02-18 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/02/2015 23:05, Paul Bivand wrote:

A small story about this:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31117763/history

Laurie Gray Avenue, Bluebell Hill, Kent, used to have a street sign saying
Laurie Gray.

Various council documentation and OS locator referred to the 'Avenue' form.

After two discussions an openstreetmap mapper asked the relevant council
(Tonbridge and Malling) who replied 'That's funny, we'd better sort that' or
words to that effect.

The sign now has the Avenue suffix.

Actually, I rather regret the change as I was imagining the person the road
was named after telling the council that if they wanted to call it an avenue
they'd better plant trees along it. As there were no trees, no Avenue.



But it is now tagged:

name=Laurie Gray Avenue
not:name=Laurie Gray Avenue

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Re: [Talk-GB] Disclaimer

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Doerr

On 28/01/2015 01:13, Neil Matthews wrote:
[snip]

I guess we might need to be a little careful: 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/one-spelling-error-costs-companies-house-up-to-9-million-after-being-sued-for-ruining-business-10007372.html


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Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways

2014-11-18 Thread Steve Doerr

On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote:

There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead 
By-Pass:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177

Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the 
M4.




Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975: 
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760


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[Talk-GB] NLS Historical Maps

2014-11-13 Thread Steve Doerr
I know we have access to some of the National Library of Scotland's 
historical map layers, e.g. OS one-inch and 1:25000.


What about this layer: http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=6layers=171 ?

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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS Historical Maps

2014-11-13 Thread Steve Doerr

Thanks, Chris.

Steve

On 13/11/2014 14:46, Chris Fleming wrote:
I don't think there is any reason not to use any of the NLS's out of 
copyright images.


and it's listed as one of the layers available on the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland

I've been using the town plan layer in Edinburgh and the detailed 
plans for old bits of town are really lovely.


Cheers
Chris


On Thu Nov 13 2014 at 1:37:45 PM Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com 
mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:


I know we have access to some of the National Library of Scotland's
historical map layers, e.g. OS one-inch and 1:25000.

What about this layer:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=6layers=171 ?

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[Talk-GB] ooc.openstreetmap.org

2014-11-06 Thread Steve Doerr

It occurs to me that this is perhaps more relevant to Talk-GB than to Talk.

Steve


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:ooc.openstreetmap.org
Date:   Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:09:45 +
From:   Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com
To: t...@openstreetmap.org



Has this service been discontinued? Or is there just a temporary problem
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Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Steve Doerr

On 01/11/2014 09:15, Ed Loach wrote:


 On 1 November 2014 01:06, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk 
mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk


 wrote:

  Brantano (UK) Limited shops are all branded 'Brantano Footwear'

 that is

  their shop 'Logo'



The logo is the symbol at the top, the shop name is Brantano Footwear, 
the operator is Brantano (UK) Limited. This is (was) the shop sign at 
the one I mapped (as Brantano Footwear, as that is the name on the sign):


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9411882,1.2588319,3a,15y,222.14h,92.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sp87biBi-D33C1-NHe_jULw!2e0 
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9411882,1.2588319,3a,15y,222.14h,92.11t/data=%213m4%211e1%213m2%211sp87biBi-D33C1-NHe_jULw%212e0





If you use their online store locator to find the shop, it's listed as 
BRANTANO HARWICH: 
http://www.brantano.co.uk/stores/brantano-harwich-shc151. Same pattern 
for all their shops, I think.


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Re: [Talk-GB] addressing (was addr:place)

2014-10-27 Thread Steve Doerr

On 27/10/2014 09:24, Andy Robinson wrote:

Are the postal towns not the town that is represented by the first part of the 
postcode? So CW for Crewe for instance.


No: a postcode alpha prefix will typically cover several post towns.


My parents live in Swaffham in Norfolk but Royal Mail have them is 
Cambridgeshire with a PE (Peterborough) postcode.


Are you sure? The official address for postcode PE37 7QN, for instance, 
is Mangate Street, SWAFFHAM, Norfolk, PE37 7QN.


SWAFFHAM is the post town and Norfolk the (optional) county.

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Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

2014-10-24 Thread Steve Doerr

On 24/10/2014 15:13, Dan S wrote:


Co-operative - not clear to me why you choose to drop The from
this one, since it's included in the branding? You choose to keep it
for The Co-operative Food.



+1: see http://www.co-operative.coop/about-us/

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Re: [Talk-GB] LEZ get this completed?

2014-10-15 Thread Steve Doerr

On 15/10/2014 09:53, Philip Barnes wrote:

On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 09:17 +0100, Antje (OpenStreetMap) wrote:

I live in London, so I could figure out a small part of the boundary based on 
the fact that it doesn’t go outside London for obvious reasons, and on the 
basis of a number of past surveys and personal memory (which I call leftovers).

Do you think you want to change this relation to be node-based? I’m only going 
by what the Germans do for their LEZs.

Doing the same as the Germans does make sense, they have far more
experience in this case.

In reality there is no boundary, there are a series of entry/exit nodes
on each road that can be joined, but any line will always be arbitrary.




There are very detailed maps of the boundary on the TFL website, but of 
course they are Ordnance-Survey-based, so cannot be used. 
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/maps/low-emission-zone


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Re: [Talk-GB] Solarium vs. Sunbed Salon vs. Tanning Salon

2014-07-16 Thread Steve Doerr

I agree, but of the three I'd plump for 'tanning salon'.

Steve

On 16/07/2014 19:09, SK53 wrote:
I think all are acceptable. FWIW I've always followed Harry Wood's 
dictum and lumped these in as shop=beauty (aka Beauty Salon) possibly 
with a sub-tag beauty=tanning. But given the paucity of usage on 
taginfo.uk http://taginfo.uk, I suspect I haven't been consistent.


OSM Nottingham 
http://osm-nottingham.org.uk/?z=11lon=-1.17884lat=52.95611bgl=OSM,1,17l=chemistshealthhairbeautylh=Pharmacies%28dispensing%29;Chemists;Opticans;Mobility;Hairdressers;Tattooists;Alternativemedicine;Other 
shows that the shop=beauty tag works sufficiently well to provide a 
decent consistent mapping. As many solaria/tanning salons offer other 
'beauty' treatments I think this is another reason why sub-tagging is 
the way to go. Tattooists are surpisingly frequent and usually 
sufficiently distinct that there is no need to stretch the beauty tag 
further than necessary.


We could certainly revisit the tagged nodes in Nottingham and ensure 
suitable sub-tagging: tanning  nail salons are preponderant in the 
mapped elements.


Jerry

PS. Keep up the good work, eliminating literal translations from other 
languages ought to help everyone in tagging: although dont know that 
we can do much about the en-gb, en-us split.



On 16 July 2014 18:28, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de 
mailto:andi...@t-online.de wrote:


What is usually used in British English? Or did I maybe even miss
something?
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM in Linux Format magazine

2014-01-17 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/01/2014 08:17, Bob Kerr wrote:

Also in the Guardian an article

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/14/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap



See also Adam Smith Institute reaction here: 
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulation-industry/why-are-the-concepts-of-competition-and-monopoly-so-difficult-for-people-to


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Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices

2014-01-17 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/01/2014 18:18, John Aldridge wrote:

'Regular' post office branches (as currently run by Post Office Ltd) 
are the only things which should be tagged 'amentity=post_office'. The 
'operator=*' tag is not required for these (and perhaps better 
omitted, since the name of the company keeps changing!)


Most post offices in the UK are not operated directly by Post Office 
Limited, but are franchise operations, often located within another kind 
of shop. The stationers and booksellers W. H. Smith seem in particular 
to have opened quite a few post offices within their stores in recent years.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Royal Mail Parcelforce delivery offices

2014-01-16 Thread Steve Doerr

On 16/01/2014 10:03, John Aldridge wrote:

Heh... that definition excludes 'regular' (Post Office Ltd) post 
offices, though! If you try to send a letter at one of those, they 
tell you to put it in the (Royal Mail) post box outside.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-17 Thread Steve Doerr
On the contrary, I use openstreetmap.org all the time. Whenever I 
encounter a place I'm unfamiliar with, I look it up on 
openstreetmap.org. I almost never look at renderings of OSM data through 
another web-site. In Facebook postings and emails, where I want to link 
to a map it's invariably to openstreetmap.org that I link. I personally 
don't see openstreetmap.org as a contributor-oriented web site. I see it 
as a showcase to the world - though of course it must always provide me 
with a pathway to edit the database.


Steve

On 17/11/2013 21:47, Jonathan wrote:
I think the point Rob was making is that OpenStreetMap.org can't be 
all things to all men and neither should it attempt to be.  There are 
many many instances of OSM map data rendered in ways that appeal to 
various users, the OpenStreetMap.org page should show a generic map 
use with information and links to encourage new users and new 
contributors.  As a regular contributor I rarely go to 
OpenStreetMap.org, I approach the map data from other more specialised 
routes depending on my needs.


I feel that the new layout is an improvement on the current and pretty 
well gets the balance right.


Personally speaking I don't feel it would be a terrible idea to ditch 
the OpenStreetMap.org map and just have this page as the homepage: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap


I don't believe OSM is about rendering maps, isn't it about creating a 
cartographic database?


Jonathan
http://bigfatfrog67.me

On 17/11/2013 21:14, Oliver Jowett wrote:
On 17 November 2013 15:06, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com 
mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:



To use the map I'd prefer not to have that signup box
floating around all the time (I am only logged in when I am
about to edit).

Oliver


You could tick the stay logged in button,


I don't retain cookies between browser sessions.

or alternatively if you want a full screen map there are plenty
of sites that provide alternate views of OSM data. One such full
screen example is at:


http://faffy.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=4lat=47.63024lon=1.75347layers=B


Is the response to Here's a usability issue with the proposed 
changes really use something else then?


Oliver



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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap Birthday meet in London

2013-08-09 Thread Steve Doerr

Great idea! Can you remind us nearer the time?

Steve

On 09/08/2013 15:33, Grant Slater wrote:

Hi Talk-GB,

There is an OpenStreetMap birthday meet in London tomorrow
(Saturday)... all are welcome.

All the juicy details are here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London/Summer_2013_events#OpenStreetMap_birthday_party_Sat_10th_Aug

You can also sign-up on lanyrd if you are so inclined:
http://lanyrd.com/2013/openstreetmap-birthday-celebrations-in-london/

Elsewhere in the UK? Check this list or host your own:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_9th_Anniversary_Birthday_party

Regards
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Re: [Talk-GB] Gaping hole in New Forest District

2013-06-07 Thread Steve Doerr

On 07/06/2013 09:52, Colin Smale wrote:

Since February the New Forest District admin boundary relation [1] has 
been sporting an exclave in the form of Ironshill Lodge [2]. I 
couldn't find anything on the internet about this, only about the 
various Inclosures in that area but nothing to indicate that the Lodge 
area is outwith the control of the local authority. I suspect the 
mapper's intention was to remove this cleared area from the 
surrounding forested area and he/she used the wrong relation. I mailed 
the user Broken Star a number of days ago but haven't had a reply yet.


My particular interest is in fixing the hole in the admin boundary 
area. As far as I am concerned the offending polygon can be removed 
from the NFDC relation and the problem is fixed.


Is there anyone in the area or otherwise in the know who can confirm 
or deny that this is represented correctly in OSM?





I'm not in the area, but DEFRA's MAGIC map 
(http://magic.defra.gov.uk/MagicMap.aspx) doesn't show it as an exclave 
for New Forest District (neither does BoundaryLine) or New Forest 
National Park. It does show as an exclave of New Forest Special 
Protection Area and New Forest Ramsar site, but I don't suppose either 
of those is mapped in OSM.


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[Talk-GB] Govt Consultation Uses OSM Mapping

2013-05-21 Thread Steve Doerr
I see that today's announcement of a government consultation on the 
options for a new Lower Thames Crossing 
(https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/options-for-a-new-lower-thames-crossing) 
makes use of OSM mapping (duly attributed) for the base map showing the 
various options under consideration: 
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200489/map-of-options.pdf.


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Re: [Talk-GB] New OS Locator (201305) out, Musical Chairs updated

2013-05-08 Thread Steve Doerr

On 04/05/2013 21:44, Robert Scott wrote:

Just in time for your May day bank holidays, which I'm sure you're all going to 
be spending mapping, the new OS Locator release is out and I've updated Musical 
Chairs[1] with it.



Thanks, Robert, for this excellent resource (though I admit I've mostly 
used the ITO equivalent in the past).


One thing seems clear: Ordnance Survey are ignoring our not:name entries 
that identify errors in their data, as this obvious typo makes clear: 
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=804922 
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Re: [Talk-GB] [OHM] Fwd: Aerial Photographs

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Doerr
Can I just say that Thomas Bodley would no doubt be most distressed to 
be confused with his namesake, Thomas Bodely!


Steve


On 05/04/2013 16:28, Andy Robinson wrote:


Hi Mikel, should have some more info on the Sheffield holding (photos 
and description) either over the w/e or in a weeks time. I'm expecting 
them to be mostly boxed sets and the coverage mainly focussed on 
northern England.


Useful to know about your Bodelian experience.

Cheers

Andy

*From:*Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com]
*Sent:* 05 April 2013 16:20
*To:* Steve Doerr; histo...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [OHM] Fwd: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs

Amazing. Sounds like a similar cache to what's held at Bodelian in 
Oxford. This collection of images was acquired by RAF over British 
Colonies, and other nations, in order to make ordnance survey maps. 
There's over 500K images there. I've explored it once, and 
found/scanned/composited/georeferenced/tiled Nairobi from 1961. As it 
was just 50 years, it was out of copyright (copyright in the case of 
these images is presumably owned by the country they were acquired in, 
even if they were then a colony).


Did a short presentation on this a couple weeks ago.

http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/geodc-historic/#17

My thinking around next step was something like a Kickstarter to do 10 
more global, out of copyright cities, and build a site to start 
distributing and promoting the imagery.


It's really amazing stuff, a time machine. Excited to see what's  in 
the Sheffield cache. Also, we might be able to ask for guidance on 
storage from the Bodelian, they were very helpful when I was working 
with the archive.


-Mikel

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Given the 'historic' nature of this material, I thought I would copy 
this here.


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Folks,
  
Sheffield University has some surplus aerial imagery that could be available

to us if we wish to have it. Its described as a considerable collection
(amounting to around 6 filling
cabinets) of UK (mostly England, and mainly northern England) black  white
9 x 9 photographic prints, dating from around WWII to the early 1980s.
There are a few index sheets, many of the boxed sets are labelled.
  
I've asked for some more details so that we might consider storage

requirements (They are currently temporarily stored in a garage but need to
be in a dry low humidity room really) and should get some photos of what it
all looks like in the next few days.
  
In the meantime two questions for UK OSMers:
  
1. Do you think this is a resource that we should go for and build upon as a

sub-project within OSM?
2. How should we best deal with physical storage until such time as items
can be digitised. The question about what to do with documents (same applies
to all the map sheets I have) after digitising can be left till a later
date.
  
I'm less worried about scanning and managing the files now as I have

sufficient scanning equipment to cover most bases and disk space attached to
an OSM sever doesn't appear to be an issue. We would need to come up with
tools and methods of turning them into a seamless mosaic but I'm sure given
the task there's a workable solution for that too.
  
All thoughts, suggestions and offers welcome.
  
Cheers

Andy
  
  
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Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode data

2013-02-28 Thread Steve Doerr

On 28/02/2013 12:27, Aidan McGinley wrote:

12 of these buildings only have the first part of the postcode.  All 
of these partially match what is output by the script, for example way 
5042255 is tagged in OSM as SW15 and the script identifies it as SW15B2U.


Hopefully that's a typo for SW152BU?

More importantly, that highlights an enhancement that I'd like to 
request: always make sure the two parts of the postcode are separated, 
even if they are not in the source data. I think this should be easy, as 
the second part is always the last three characters.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Fowey estuary coastline problem

2013-01-30 Thread Steve Doerr
That's how it appears on OS maps, e.g. 
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=286849Y=54821A=YZ=115


Steve

On 30/01/2013 10:46, Jason Woollacott wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Agreed, it looks wrong...  The data came from the OS Boundary Line 
data, which I took from the gpx trace from Colin's site, 
http://csmale.dev.openstreetmap.org/os_boundaryline/


I wish I knew the reasoning behind it...   I can understand the 
boundary being at the low water mark,  but it seems very odd just to 
draw it across at Dittisham.


Jason




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Hi Jason,

On 30 January 2013 08:00, Jason Woollacott wool...@hotmail.com wrote:
This relates to some work I did on the Cornish county boundary a 
while back,

the same also has happened at Newton Ferrers, just south of Plymouth.



I had been meaning to ask you about the boundary changes you made. Is
it right that the county boundaries now go some way up the rivers? In
the case of the River Dart all the way up to Dittisham. Just seems
counterintuitive (+ also looks crap).

Kevin (user:devonshire)
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Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data

2012-10-31 Thread Steve Doerr

Can we get this data into Nominatim?

Steve


On 31/10/2012 11:07, Andy Robinson wrote:

We are back on for postcode interpretation and addition to buildings again.

Cheers
Andy


-Original Message-
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Subject: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data

The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the
Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and
created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in

GB,

excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net
including using the tiles layers in Potlatch
2  JOSM.

[1]
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode-
directories/-nspp-/index.html
[2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/

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Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data

2012-10-31 Thread Steve Doerr

On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote:


Can we get this data into Nominatim?


Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data?



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Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data

2012-10-31 Thread Steve Doerr

On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote:


Can we get this data into Nominatim?


Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data?


Is that in there?


I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes.


Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search 
box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Places and postcodes -- nodes/areas?

2012-09-11 Thread Steve Doerr

  
  
Thornton Heath was always part of
  Croydon parish, so you can't look at old maps for a parish
  boundary. It may correspond to a ward or wards within the London
  Borough of Croydon, if you can find a source for ward boundaries
  which is unencumbered by copyright issues. But perhaps it would be
  better to establish the boundaries of the post town of Thornton
  Heath as recognized by the Royal Mail. I think checking hundreds
  of addresses on the Royal Mail web site would potentially violate
  their copyright, but Googling the same addresses and using the
  results would probably be all right. Incredibly tedious though!
  
  Steve
  
  On 10/09/2012 22:07, David Fisher wrote:

Hi all,
  
  I've noticed that in my area (Croydon, S London) a lot of streets
   POIs are identified by Nominatim with a nearby suburb of
  Croydon (Thornton Heath) rather than with Croydon town itself.
  The Nominatim/geocoding guys said this was due to nodes being used
  instead of areas, and suggested I create relations to identify the
  boundaries of the town and of its suburb(s). My question is: are
  there any guidelines on how such areas/relations should be
  defined? Political/admin boundaries don't really help. Is it a
  case of just using my instinct  local knowledge? Are there
  any good examples elsewhere?
  
  My other (related) question is to do with postcodes. Some
  postboxes nearby have been tagged not only with "ref=xxx"
  (containing the first part of the postcode plus a reference no.)
  but also "postal_code=xxx" (again containing the first part of the
  postcode), meaning that, again, a lot of streets  POIs become
  identified by Nominatim with this postcode (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/363996567).
  Should *all* postboxes be tagged with "postal_code" in this way?
  What about streets themselves? For streets, does the (first part
  of the) postcode need to be displayed on the street sign for this
  to be done?
  
  Thanks,
  
  David.
  
  
  
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Re: [Talk-GB] Sur de Edimburgo ?

2012-08-29 Thread Steve Doerr

  
  
Probably corresponds to what's shown as
  'South Side' on recent OS maps?
http://magic.defra.gov.uk/website/magic/opener.htm?startTopic=maggbxygridref=325848,672919startScale=4000
  
  Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southside,_Edinburgh#Southside 
  
  Steve
  
  On 29/08/2012 09:59, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
  

Noticed this
when looking at OSM earlier, which I think is Spanish for "South
of Edinburgh" - tagging mistake?


  


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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in Sidcup/Bexley?

2012-08-10 Thread Steve Doerr
Is there any reason we shouldn't just take OS StreetView's word for it 
and remap accordingly?


Steve


On 08/08/2012 22:19, Colin Smale wrote:
It looks like the A222 (Hurst Road?) has fallen victim to the bot 
between Bexley and Sidcup. It has been summarily relegated to an 
anonymous unclassified road. Is there anyone in the area who can 
restore this primary road to its former OSM glory?


http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5171032
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5171994

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK redacted

2012-07-17 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/07/2012 08:40, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

London's finally complete:

http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php


But Paris has errors. (I know, off topic.)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Redaction progress

2012-07-13 Thread Steve Doerr
Interesting. I see that a number of redaction edits have been made in 
northern France, so maybe the mappers in those areas should be made aware.


Steve


On 12/07/2012 17:36, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
After a couple of delays earlier today caused by technical issues 
(with the setup, not with data integrity), the redaction bot is now 
running smoothly, has completed its run across Ireland, and is 
starting on Great Britain.


You can follow edits here:
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[Talk-GB] Big Brother House

2012-01-17 Thread Steve Doerr
Does anyone know whether 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/85205885 is the current Big 
Brother House? If so, the name should be changed.


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[Talk-GB] Sat-nav problems tackled at government summit

2012-01-05 Thread Steve Doerr
'The problems caused when lorry and car drivers are misdirected by 
out-of-date directions from their sat-navs are to be tackled at a 
government summit.[...]'


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16434183

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Re: [Talk-GB] London Gateway (Port)

2011-12-24 Thread Steve Doerr
Indeed. That's why I flagged it up. I was hoping some local mappers read 
TALK-GB.


Steve

On 24/12/2011 14:25, Gregory wrote:

OpenStreetMap is a wiki.

On 18 December 2011 09:43, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com 
mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:


What I meant was 'doesn't appear to be represented by a named
object in OSM'.

Steve



On 17/12/2011 01:09, Gregory wrote:

This is it:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50651lon=0.48741zoom=15layers=M
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50651lon=0.48741zoom=15layers=M
I got there by clicking the co-ordinates on the wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Gateway

On 16 December 2011 21:55, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com
mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:

Read this interesting article in The Economist
(http://www.economist.com/node/21541456), but the development
referred to doesn't appear to be in OSM. Should it?





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Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr

On 15/11/2011 12:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote:


A cider house is a pub that predominantly serves cider, not a producer.


The /Oxford English Dictionary/ got it wrong then:

*cider-house* /n./ a building in which cider is made.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr

On 15/11/2011 22:48, Sven Geggus wrote:

 Huh, there actually _are_ wineries in the UK? Sven
Not merely wineries, but vineyards too: 
http://www.thewinesociety.com/Wine.aspx?PageCode=regionsPageName=Wine%20RegionsSubPageCode=howtobuySubPageName=How%20to%20Buy%20guidesSubSubPageCode=htbenglandSubSubPageName=How%20to%20buy%20England.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-05 Thread Steve Doerr

On 05/11/2011 15:05, Craig Loftus wrote:

For cider and perry I think the building is usually called a mill?


OED defines 'cider-mill' as 'a mill in which apples are crushed for 
making cider', but also has 'cider-house' = 'a building in which cider 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Historic Features

2011-10-31 Thread Steve Doerr
Yes, I mourn the day when The Times abandoned -ize for -ise (a decade or so 
ago, I think)!


Given that there are two alternative spellings in British English, one of 
which is the only spelling in American English, I think the spelling that is 
valid in both forms of the language (-iz-) should be preferred.


Steve

-Original Message- 
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On the other hand,  Cambridge University Press and Fowlers Modern English 
(my personal bible) prefer -ise, as does the entire British newspaper/mass 
media industry.

Scientific and academic publications seem to prefer -ize.

So I guess the question is whether OSM wants to aspire to 'academic' 
credentials, or English mainstream cultural credentials.


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On 27/10/2011 10:57, Graham Jones wrote:

   I always think of Civilization being an American spelling


Oh, that old chestnut! No, not at all. For verbs in -ize/-ise (and hence
derived nouns in -ization/-isation), -z- has long been the preferred
spelling for such scholarly British publishers as the Oxford University
Press - including in the great Oxford English Dictionary (published from
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Historic Features

2011-10-27 Thread Steve Doerr

On 27/10/2011 10:57, Graham Jones wrote:
I always think of Civilization being an American spelling

Oh, that old chestnut! No, not at all. For verbs in -ize/-ise (and hence 
derived nouns in -ization/-isation), -z- has long been the preferred 
spelling for such scholarly British publishers as the Oxford University 
Press - including in the great Oxford English Dictionary (published from 
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK cities

2011-10-17 Thread Steve Doerr

On 17/10/2011 14:44, Ed Avis wrote:
AFAIK, every city has a defined boundary, even if nowadays it is no 
longer marked by a city wall. For 'town' this is not so, and you could 
not take a strict approach there.


It may be possible in many cases if you take a historical approach.

Some time in the 19th century, civil parishes were created, and these 
were then grouped into urban and rural districts. Obviously, urban 
implies town. Some time in the 20th century, I think, civil parishes 
within urban districts were abolished, a situation which persists to 
this day. So you could delineate the town as the bit of a modern local 
authority that's doesn't have parish councils. Where you have contiguous 
towns within an authority, you would have to look at the historical 
parish boundaries to separate them. (Hurrah for our NPE layer.)


In addition, surviving parish councils over a certain population 
(10,000?) were allowed to call themselves 'town councils' and call their 
chairman 'mayor': so these parishes would also qualify to be classified 
as towns.


Doubtless this would leave some anomalies, but I think it would give a 
good first approximation.


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK road name coverage now over 80%

2011-06-29 Thread Steve Doerr

On 29/06/2011 17:55, Peter Miller wrote:


I have also been very impressed with the initial results from the
visual comparison of OSM and OS Vector map district as well. We seem
to have an much to help the OS improve their data as the other way
round!


I'd still like to see if the OS show any signs of having taken notice of 
our not:name data to correct entries in OS Locator.


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Re: [Talk-GB] ITO OSM Analysis not updating?

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Doerr
At the moment I can't get into ITO OSM Analysis at all. If I enter the 
URL 
http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main?showMinor=true it 
is immediately replaced by http://www.itoworld.com/main. I've tried both 
in Firefox and IE.


Steve

On 21/06/2011 12:31, Shane Reynolds wrote:

Hi Graham.

Sorry we have had a few problems with our importer over the weekend. 
However it is now working again and I hope that OSM analysis should 
have data up to the 19th in a few hours (OSM Mapper and ITO Map have 
just been updated to the 19th) - things should then also be back to 
normal from tomorrow (where we usually update sometime early afternoon 
for data from the previous day)


Kind Regards,

Shane



On 21 June 2011 12:05, Graham Stewart gra...@dalmuti.net 
mailto:gra...@dalmuti.net wrote:



Hi Peter (et al),

Last update of the
http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main is currently
reporting as 16/06/2011 (today is the 21st)

Has it just fallen over, or is there anything that the community can
help with to get this valuable tool running again?

Cheers,
GrahamS


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Re: [Talk-GB] Potlatch 2.2

2011-06-20 Thread Steve Doerr

On 19/06/2011 18:12, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Hi all,

I'm pleased to announce Potlatch 2.2 is live.


Thanks, Richard. Unfortunately I found Potlatch extremely unstable when 
I was using it last night - in fact I wondered if a new version might 
have gone live. I think the main symptom was the contents of the left 
panel disappearing: at this point, I would normally click Save, then 
(once the Save was complete) click View, then Edit again to start a new 
changeset. I seem to have created 15 changesets where I probably 
intended to use no more than three. See 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sdoerr/edits.


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Doerr

On 09/06/2011 10:09, Peter Miller wrote:

Indeed, here is a map showing verified/surveyed+souce:name in dark
red, source:name without verified/surveyed in orange and any instances
of verified/surveyed without source:name as blue (there aren't any at
present!)
http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=117

You will see that Source:name is more frequently used in some
districts such as Suffolk, Nottingham Kent that i others. Instances of
source:name do not of course mean that it was from OS Locator or that
it was not also surveyed. For that verified/surveyed is needed.



I've been putting source:name=survey, so a lot of my edits are in 
orange on this map. I don't know whether that's good or bad.


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis updated with new OS Locator data and a review of progress to date

2011-06-08 Thread Steve Doerr

On 08/06/2011 07:58, Peter Miller wrote:

Following on swiftly from Musical Chairs OSM Analaysis is now also
running with the new OS Locator data.

Warwickshire is the biggest gainer/looser with 33 new names; over half
of the districts have got at least one new road and there are now only
8 places still at 100%. We do  have 51 at over 99% and only 32 at
under 50%. There is serious work in Wales, parts of Scotland, the West
Midlands and Norfolk at present and in other places as well.



One bonus for me is that my home town (Gravesham) has zoomed up to 5th 
position as we are one of the lucky ones not to lose our 100% status.


I wonder if the good folks at ITO could devise a way to analyse the 
not:name tags in the database and see whether any of them are now 
redundant? In other words, are the OS correcting any of the mistakes we 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Are you coming to London on Sunday?

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Doerr

On 07/06/2011 19:18, Steve Coast wrote:

or saturday night

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Board_Meeting_June_2011

Would be awesome to see you there


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Re: [Talk-GB] OS Vector Map District

2011-06-01 Thread Steve Doerr

On 01/06/2011 21:26, David Fitzhugh wrote:
While browsing in the area of Fakenham, Norfolk, UK, I came across 
some entries with the source = OS Vector Map District ( look at the 
woodland). As I had not heard of this before I tried to look it up on 
the web and could not make sense of the OS copyright statements on 
their website. Can data from OS VMD be imported into OSM and if it can 
then why am I doing it the hard way ---GPS, surveys, using my eyes and 
writing it down in my little black book,---??


Er, yes: see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata .

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