subject:"\[Talk\-GB\] Schools"



On 05/08/2016 16:37, Colin Smale wrote:


Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have 
to edit one object?


Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind 
when you say you have to "search for all members".





Geometry

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On 05/08/2016 17:13, Christian Ledermann wrote:

I changed the logic, example changeset:
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404


The way needs to be properly closed & there's no need for area=yes for 
this amenity.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Lester Caine

On 05/08/16 17:13, Christian Ledermann wrote:
> I changed the logic, example changeset:
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404
> 
> 1) single polygons are rendered as ways, with the same tags as before
> plus area=yes
> 2) when it is a single polygon the holes get ignored
> 
> Thanks for all your input this was very helpful :-)

With the boundary going through a building and at odds with the rest of
the surrounding elements I would expect an element of tidying up rather
than simply dumping the poor quality OS polygon on top of potentially
more correct data! But that is why I say some element of local knowledge
to tidy up the detail is essential.

Switching to osm and looking, the buildings need reworking anyway but a
correct boundary needs local input ... the OS one is simply wrong.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Chris Hill

Why do you need area=yes?

On 5 August 2016 17:13:01 BST, Christian Ledermann 
 wrote:
>I changed the logic, example changeset:
>http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404
>
>1) single polygons are rendered as ways, with the same tags as before
>plus area=yes
>2) when it is a single polygon the holes get ignored
>
>Thanks for all your input this was very helpful :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>On 5 August 2016 at 16:37, Colin Smale  wrote:
>> On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote:
>>
>> What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers
>who add
>> data.
>> If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to
>ensure
>> I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all
>members.
>> A bit irritating when I find it's solitary.
>>
>> Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have
>to edit
>> one object?
>
>In this case yes, the tags are on the relation
>
>>
>> Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind
>when
>> you say you have to "search for all members".
>>
>> //colin
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Christian Ledermann

and just for clarification:
If a schoolground consists of several polygons it will be added as
before as a multipolygon.
the tags get added to the relation not the individual ways it is made out of.

On 5 August 2016 at 17:13, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I changed the logic, example changeset:
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404
>
> 1) single polygons are rendered as ways, with the same tags as before
> plus area=yes
> 2) when it is a single polygon the holes get ignored
>
> Thanks for all your input this was very helpful :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2016 at 16:37, Colin Smale  wrote:
>> On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote:
>>
>> What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who add
>> data.
>> If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to ensure
>> I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all members.
>> A bit irritating when I find it's solitary.
>>
>> Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have to edit
>> one object?
>
> In this case yes, the tags are on the relation
>
>>
>> Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind when
>> you say you have to "search for all members".
>>
>> //colin
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> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Christian Ledermann

I changed the logic, example changeset:
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404

1) single polygons are rendered as ways, with the same tags as before
plus area=yes
2) when it is a single polygon the holes get ignored

Thanks for all your input this was very helpful :-)





On 5 August 2016 at 16:37, Colin Smale  wrote:
> On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote:
>
> What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who add
> data.
> If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to ensure
> I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all members.
> A bit irritating when I find it's solitary.
>
> Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have to edit
> one object?

In this case yes, the tags are on the relation

>
> Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind when
> you say you have to "search for all members".
>
> //colin
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote:

> What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who add 
> data. 
> If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to ensure 
> I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all members. A 
> bit irritating when I find it's solitary.

Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have to
edit one object? 

Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind
when you say you have to "search for all members". 

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On 05/08/2016 13:41, Colin Smale wrote:


What I meant was, having established that some (many?) schools will 
need to use the MP model, all consumers (for this data) will need to 
be ready to process MPs anyway. A single polygon consisting of a 
single way is just a degenerate case of an MP. Modelling all of them 
as an MP saves an "if" statement and a second set of logic to process 
the data.


The single, closed way and the trivial MP containing such a way are 
entirely semantically equivalent. There is no need to have two ways of 
representing exactly the same information.





What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who 
add data.
If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to 
ensure I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for 
all members. A bit irritating when I find it's solitary.


There's a clue in the name multi-polygon that singular entities 
shouldn't be tag as such.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Lester Caine

On 05/08/16 14:51, Colin Smale wrote:
> Anyway, I was only intending to offer a different perspective on the
> discussion, not to start a war.

We have a well documented style for school mapping which resulted in a
large number being added up until April and it would make more sense to
follow that convention than now rework all of the existing mapping?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 14:59, Andy Allan wrote:

> On 5 August 2016 at 13:41, Colin Smale  wrote:
> 
>> What I meant was, having established that some (many?) schools will need to
>> use the MP model, all consumers (for this data) will need to be ready to
>> process MPs anyway.
> 
> Our mapping conventions are based on our mappers, not consumers. As
> you say, it's easy for the consumers to handle both situations, but
> it's harder for mappers to deal with multipolygons-with-one-outer than
> just a basic closed way.
> 
> Multipolygons are there to deal with the difficult situation, not to
> make the most common situation more complicated.
> 
> We *must* keep putting the mappers first.

IYHO IMHO we need a healthy balance and should address the needs of
all the stakeholders and participants in the ecosystem, and not blindly
prioritise "mappers". Most of the energy wasted on these mailing lists
and in creating things in the wiki comes from mappers - not because
there is no way of modelling something, but because there are so many
different ways. IMHO it would help to apply a bit more of a scientific
approach to our tagging schema design to reduce the unnecessary
complexity. We are modelling the world, which is a very complex entity.
Making the right choices about how to reduce the real-world complexity
to something manageable and yet still useful is a skill which not
everyone possesses in equal measure. 

And, yes, I meant to say "wasted". Far too often it goes round in
circles and leads to no consensus/conclusion. 

This blog from Michal Migurski also seems to suggest that the
traditional "craft mapper" is no longer central to OSM's future: 

http://mike.teczno.com/notes/openstreetmap-at-a-crossroads.html 

Anyway, I was only intending to offer a different perspective on the
discussion, not to start a war. 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Andy Allan

On 5 August 2016 at 13:41, Colin Smale  wrote:

> What I meant was, having established that some (many?) schools will need to
> use the MP model, all consumers (for this data) will need to be ready to
> process MPs anyway.

Our mapping conventions are based on our mappers, not consumers. As
you say, it's easy for the consumers to handle both situations, but
it's harder for mappers to deal with multipolygons-with-one-outer than
just a basic closed way.

Multipolygons are there to deal with the difficult situation, not to
make the most common situation more complicated.

We *must* keep putting the mappers first.

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 14:17, Dave F wrote:

> On 05/08/2016 12:11, Colin Smale wrote: 
> 
>> On the other hand, consumers will have to deal with the MP model anyway, so 
>> having multiple models for the same thing is actually adding to the 
>> complexity.
> 
> MP's were never conceived as a blanket 'cover all' solution.
> "I did it for a couple of schools, so I thought I'd do it for the rest of 
> them" is not a valid tagging technique.

What I meant was, having established that some (many?) schools will need
to use the MP model, all consumers (for this data) will need to be ready
to process MPs anyway. A single polygon consisting of a single way is
just a degenerate case of an MP. Modelling all of them as an MP saves an
"if" statement and a second set of logic to process the data. 

The single, closed way and the trivial MP containing such a way are
entirely semantically equivalent. There is no need to have two ways of
representing exactly the same information. 

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On 05/08/2016 12:11, Colin Smale wrote:
On the other hand, consumers will have to deal with the MP model 
anyway, so having multiple models for the same thing is actually 
adding to the complexity.




MP's were never conceived as a blanket 'cover all' solution.
"I did it for a couple of schools, so I thought I'd do it for the rest 
of them" is not a valid tagging technique.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 12:54, Dave F wrote:

> On 04/08/2016 19:13, Christian Ledermann wrote: 
> 
>> If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
>> polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
>> change this
> 
> That would be good.
> Multi-polygons of single objects adds an unnecessary layer of obfuscation.

On the other hand, consumers will have to deal with the MP model anyway,
so having multiple models for the same thing is actually adding to the
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On 04/08/2016 19:13, Christian Ledermann wrote:

If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
change this


That would be good.
Multi-polygons of single objects adds an unnecessary layer of obfuscation.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Thread Andy Allan

On 4 August 2016 at 19:13, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:

> If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
> polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
> change this

Yes please.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 04/08/16 19:35, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 04/08/16 19:13, Christian Ledermann wrote:
>> If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
>> polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
>> change this
> 
> The vast majority of grounds are a single polygon, and even where
> grounds occupy multiple sites, each campus tends to have it's own name
> and often a different edu ref. The relation should only come in to join
> campuses that form the one educational entity, which may well be across
> several towns.

Another point is that of using the existing ways to build a new
boundary. The first two schools I hit both had a different probable
boundary created already due to other landuse boundaries. But I would
only add schools that I have some knowledge of. Armchair mapping without
some local knowledge is not really practical.

But I'll not be helping anyway as I can't stand iD ;)

https://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/20402/ I've added as per the quarterly
project guide lines http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41245245 and
tidy up adjacent detail ... but I'm not sure why the school buildings
are not showing filled in :(

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 04/08/16 15:14, Andy Townsend wrote:
> I'd ask Christian Ledermann - the numbers roughly match his changes I
> think.  Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6457274 .

While adding a third party tracing of the grounds of this school is
better than nothing, it would be much improved by adding the buildings
and parking areas. In addition, selecting the shape while trying to edit
it is made a lot more difficult since the details are hidden inside the
relation. This does break the standard we established when adding
schools during the quarterly project. Something which DOES work a lot
better than this example!

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On 04/08/16 19:13, Christian Ledermann wrote:
> If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
> polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
> change this

The vast majority of grounds are a single polygon, and even where
grounds occupy multiple sites, each campus tends to have it's own name
and often a different edu ref. The relation should only come in to join
campuses that form the one educational entity, which may well be across
several towns.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Christian Ledermann

I chose Multipolygon because schoolgrounds may consist of more than 1
polygon e.g both sides of a street:

--
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon says:

... this model only works for areas the outline of which consists of
one single way, and which do not have holes. Any area that is more
complex than that (e.g., because its outline consists of several ways
joined together, or because the area consists of multiple disjunct
parts, or has holes) requires a multipolygon relation.

A single polygon is just an edgcase of a multipolygon.

If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
change this

On 4 August 2016 at 18:39, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 04/08/2016 15:22, Andy Allan wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
>> I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
>> single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
>> desirable?
>>
>
> Maybe they'd be better as ways, but (assuming the data's OK of course)
> presumably they're better as relations than not mapped at all?
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Andy Townsend


On 04/08/2016 15:22, Andy Allan wrote:


I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
desirable?



Maybe they'd be better as ways, but (assuming the data's OK of course) 
presumably they're better as relations than not mapped at all?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Dan S

2016-08-04 16:39 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :
> On 04/08/16 15:22, Andy Allan wrote:
>> On 4 August 2016 at 15:14, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>>> > On 04/08/2016 14:42, Brian Prangle wrote:
 >>
 >> Yesterday approx 150 schools were added as relations according to the
 >> taginfoscript which is monitoring schools. Does anyone know what's 
 >> going on?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'd ask Christian Ledermann - the numbers roughly match his changes I 
>>> > think.
>>> > Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6457274 .
>> I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
>> I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
>> single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
>> desirable?
>
> Is this via schools.mapthe.uk ?

Yes, clearly, as indicated in the changeset comment(s)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Chris Hill

I'd say it's complexity with no advantage so not desirable. It looks like a 
poorly thought-through semi automated edit. No more of these should be added in 
the current form IMHO.

Cheers, Chris
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On 4 August 2016 15:22:40 BST, Andy Allan  wrote:
>On 4 August 2016 at 15:14, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>> On 04/08/2016 14:42, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>>
>>> Yesterday approx 150 schools were added as relations according to
>the
>>> taginfoscript which is monitoring schools. Does anyone know what's
>going on?
>>
>>
>> I'd ask Christian Ledermann - the numbers roughly match his changes I
>think.
>> Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6457274 .
>
>I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
>I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
>single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
>desirable?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 04/08/16 15:22, Andy Allan wrote:
> On 4 August 2016 at 15:14, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>> > On 04/08/2016 14:42, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Yesterday approx 150 schools were added as relations according to the
>>> >> taginfoscript which is monitoring schools. Does anyone know what's going 
>>> >> on?
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd ask Christian Ledermann - the numbers roughly match his changes I 
>> > think.
>> > Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6457274 .
> I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
> I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
> single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
> desirable?

Is this via schools.mapthe.uk ?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Andy Allan

On 4 August 2016 at 15:14, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 04/08/2016 14:42, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday approx 150 schools were added as relations according to the
>> taginfoscript which is monitoring schools. Does anyone know what's going on?
>
>
> I'd ask Christian Ledermann - the numbers roughly match his changes I think.
> Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6457274 .

I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
desirable?

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Andy Townsend


On 04/08/2016 14:42, Brian Prangle wrote:
Yesterday approx 150 schools were added as relations according to the 
taginfoscript which is monitoring schools. Does anyone know what's 
going on?


I'd ask Christian Ledermann - the numbers roughly match his changes I 
think.  Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6457274 .


Cheers,

Andy


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[Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-04 Thread Brian Prangle

Yesterday approx 150 schools were added as relations according to the
taginfoscript which is monitoring schools. Does anyone know what's going on?

Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-08 Thread Christian Ledermann

Changes to schools.mapthe.uk:

After adding a school now a new OpenStreetMap edit window opens on the
location of the polygon.

On 8 June 2016 at 08:35, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I just updated the tool to make it even smoother to add.
> it is still connected to api06.dev so please test it ;-)
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 18:16, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
>>
>> * clearer message that something is added to OSM
>> * display all osm features not just polygons
>> * import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
>> * no import of blank values
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
 Christian asked:

> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>
>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>
> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

 I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
 Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS 
 OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead 
 to duplication.

>>>
>>> I will add as Gregory sugested:
>>> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
>>> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
>>> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>>>
>>> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
>>> your input is very appreciated :-)
>>>
 Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
 comparison?

 When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
 added it twice:
 http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
 http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445

>>>
>>> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
>>> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
>>> the 'add to osm' button.
>>>
>>>
 Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not 
 put the tags on the way?
>>>
>>> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
>>> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I interpreted
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
>>> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>>>
 In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
 value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.

>>>
>>> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>>>
 The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
 been added from.
>>>
>>> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>>>
 When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the 
 multipolygon and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings 
 within the polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this 
 possible?
>>>
>>> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
>>> browser - josm is another beast
>>>

 Ed

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Christian Ledermann
>>>
>>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>>
>>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>>
>>>
>>> <*)))>{
>>>
>>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>>
>>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>>
>>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>>
>>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>>
>>> }<(((*>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-08 Thread Christian Ledermann

I just updated the tool to make it even smoother to add.
it is still connected to api06.dev so please test it ;-)

On 3 June 2016 at 18:16, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
>
> * clearer message that something is added to OSM
> * display all osm features not just polygons
> * import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
> * no import of blank values
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
>>> Christian asked:
>>>
 As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:

  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
  What would you like to see as improvements?

 As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>>
>>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
>>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS 
>>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead 
>>> to duplication.
>>>
>>
>> I will add as Gregory sugested:
>> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
>> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
>> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>>
>> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
>> your input is very appreciated :-)
>>
>>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
>>> added it twice:
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>>
>>
>> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
>> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
>> the 'add to osm' button.
>>
>>
>>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not 
>>> put the tags on the way?
>>
>> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
>> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>>
>>
>> If I interpreted
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
>> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>>
>>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
>>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>>
>>
>> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>>
>>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
>>> been added from.
>>
>> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>>
>>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon 
>>> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the 
>>> polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
>>
>> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
>> browser - josm is another beast
>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>



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Newark-on-Trent - UK
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https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-03 Thread Christian Ledermann

I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:

* clearer message that something is added to OSM
* display all osm features not just polygons
* import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
* no import of blank values





On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
>> Christian asked:
>>
>>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>>
>>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>>
>>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS 
>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead 
>> to duplication.
>>
>
> I will add as Gregory sugested:
> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>
> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
> your input is very appreciated :-)
>
>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
>> comparison?
>>
>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
>> added it twice:
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>
>
> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
> the 'add to osm' button.
>
>
>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put 
>> the tags on the way?
>
> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>
>
> If I interpreted
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>
>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>
>
> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>
>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
>> been added from.
>
> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>
>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon 
>> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the 
>> polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
>
> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
> browser - josm is another beast
>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-03 Thread Christian Ledermann

On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
> Christian asked:
>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>
> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS OpenData 
> polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead to 
> duplication.
>

I will add as Gregory sugested:
"The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."

If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
your input is very appreciated :-)

> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
> comparison?
>
> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
> added it twice:
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>

Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
the 'add to osm' button.


> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put 
> the tags on the way?

Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
In this case a multipolygon is needed.


If I interpreted
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area

> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>

In the future blank values will be omitted.

> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
> been added from.

source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?

> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon 
> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the polygon, 
> and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?

It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
browser - josm is another beast

>
> Ed
>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-03 Thread Ed Loach

Christian asked:

> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
> 
>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>  What would you like to see as improvements?
> 
> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS OpenData 
polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead to 
duplication. 

Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
comparison?

When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
added it twice:
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445

Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put 
the tags on the way?

In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.

The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has been 
added from.

When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon and 
open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the polygon, and 
any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?

Ed


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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-02 Thread Christian Ledermann

On 2 June 2016 at 21:04, Gregory Marler  wrote:
> So the polygon is from the OS open data?
>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
> I don't think OS open data counts as the functional site, I think it is a
> poor-quality(or low-resolution?) of the school property/boundary and so
> doesn't need special tags beyond source (additionally add
> source:outline=os_open if you really wish).

functionalsite refers to the os-open name of the shapefile

>
>
> I think your tool would be better if it clearly said "The highlighted
> polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school outline is already shown
> on the base map behind, then you should manually add the tags (& edubase
> reference manually) to that object."
>

good idea, thanks :-)

> Others on this list/community may have concerns, they should speak up or it
> relies on the OSM Imports mailing list being sure this is suitable.
> Can someone confirm that we do have copyright permission/ability for the
> Edubase data? I.e. we can do go beyond "using it to conduct a survey, or add
> only the ref" and we can directly add all those attributes with an import
> tool?

http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/about.xhtml
`The Crown copyright-protected material featured on this website
(other than Departmental logos) may be reproduced free of charge in
any format or medium, under the terms of the “Open Government
Licence":http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence`

>
>
> From two roads away from a local primary school,
> Gregory.
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2016 at 20:31, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>> > about operator tag
>> > should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>> >
>> > On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>> >  wrote:
>> >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>> >>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would
>> >>> be
>> >>> good.
>> >>
>> >> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>> >>
>> >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this
>> >>> might
>> >>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> >>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>> >>
>> >> right, thanks :-)
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> From Durham,
>> >>> Gregory.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>  You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test
>>  the
>>  application
>>  It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test
>>  server!
>>  You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>> 
>>  On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>   wrote:
>>  > I updated the
>>  > https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>>  > branch with your comments
>>  >
>>  > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso 
>>  > wrote:
>>  >> Thanks a lot.
>>  >>
>>  >> Some feedback about your code:
>>  >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>>  >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>>  >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>>  >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR,
>>  >> 'data',
>>  >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>>  >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv)
>>  >> should
>>  >> be
>>  >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>  >>
>>  >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look
>>  >> at
>>  >> it
>>  >> later.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks again.
>>  >>
>>  >> Eric
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>>  >> 
>>  >> wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> from
>>  >>> https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>  >>>
>>  >>> you have to download the
>>  >>>
>>  >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open`
>>  >>> Products
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>  >>> sligtly improved

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-02 Thread Christian Ledermann

As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:

 Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
 Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
 What would you like to see as improvements?

As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> about operator tag
> should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>>>
>>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
>>> good.
>>
>> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>>
>>>
>>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
>>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>>
>> right, thanks :-)
>>
>>>
>>> From Durham,
>>> Gregory.
>>>
>>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
>>> wrote:

 A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
 You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
 application
 It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
 You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.

 On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
  wrote:
 > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
 > branch with your comments
 >
 > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
 >> Thanks a lot.
 >>
 >> Some feedback about your code:
 >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
 >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
 >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
 >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
 >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
 >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
 >> be
 >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
 >>
 >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
 >> it
 >> later.
 >>
 >> Thanks again.
 >>
 >> Eric
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
 >> 
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
 >>>
 >>> you have to download the
 >>>
 >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
 >>> sligtly improved documentation
 >>>
 >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
 >>> schooldata
 >>>
 >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
 >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
 >>> and
 >>> `School contact details` from
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
 >>>
 >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
 >>> using it. The headers must be:
 >>>'SeedCode',
 >>> 'LA Name',
 >>> 'Centre Type',
 >>> 'School Name',
 >>> 'Address 1',
 >>> 'Address 2',
 >>> 'Address 3',
 >>> 'Post code',
 >>> 'E-mail',
 >>> 'Phone',
 >>> 'Primary_school',
 >>> 'Secondary',
 >>> 'Special',
 >>> 'Primary roll',
 >>> 'Secondary roll',
 >>> 'Special roll',
 >>> 'Primary1',
 >>> 'Secondary1',
 >>> 'Special1',
 >>> 'Denomination'
 >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
 >>> > Hi Christian,
 >>> >
 >>> > Thanks for this app.
 >>> >
 >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
 >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
 >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
 >>> > mentionned
 >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
 >>> >
 >>> > Cheers,
 >>> > Eric
 >>> >
 >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
 >>> > 
 >>> > wrote:
 >>> >>
 >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-01 Thread Christian Ledermann

about operator tag
should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?

On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>>
>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
>> good.
>
> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>
> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>
>>
>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>
> right, thanks :-)
>
>>
>> From Durham,
>> Gregory.
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
>>> application
>>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
>>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>>  wrote:
>>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>>> > branch with your comments
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> >> Thanks a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>>> >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
>>> >> be
>>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
>>> >> it
>>> >> later.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks again.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>>> >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you have to download the
>>> >>>
>>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>>> >>> schooldata
>>> >>>
>>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> `School contact details` from
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>>> >>>'SeedCode',
>>> >>> 'LA Name',
>>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>>> >>> 'School Name',
>>> >>> 'Address 1',
>>> >>> 'Address 2',
>>> >>> 'Address 3',
>>> >>> 'Post code',
>>> >>> 'E-mail',
>>> >>> 'Phone',
>>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>>> >>> 'Secondary',
>>> >>> 'Special',
>>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>>> >>> 'Special roll',
>>> >>> 'Primary1',
>>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>>> >>> 'Special1',
>>> >>> 'Denomination'
>>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>>> >>> > mentionned
>>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Cheers,
>>> >>> > Eric
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>>> >>> > 
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>>> >>> >> > required
>>> >>> >> > for
>>> >>> >> > the
>>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based
>>> >>> >> > app
>>> >>> >> > that
>>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy
>>> >>> >> it.
>>> >>>

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-01 Thread Christian Ledermann

On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>
> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
> good.

source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?

what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?

>
> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032

right, thanks :-)

>
> From Durham,
> Gregory.
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
>> application
>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>>
>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>> > branch with your comments
>> >
>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> >> Thanks a lot.
>> >>
>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
>> >> be
>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>> >>
>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
>> >> it
>> >> later.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>> >>>
>> >>> you have to download the
>> >>>
>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>> >>>
>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>> >>> schooldata
>> >>>
>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>> >>> and
>> >>> `School contact details` from
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>> >>>
>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>> >>>'SeedCode',
>> >>> 'LA Name',
>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>> >>> 'School Name',
>> >>> 'Address 1',
>> >>> 'Address 2',
>> >>> 'Address 3',
>> >>> 'Post code',
>> >>> 'E-mail',
>> >>> 'Phone',
>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>> >>> 'Secondary',
>> >>> 'Special',
>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>> >>> 'Special roll',
>> >>> 'Primary1',
>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>> >>> 'Special1',
>> >>> 'Denomination'
>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>> >>> > mentionned
>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers,
>> >>> > Eric
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>> >>> >> > required
>> >>> >> > for
>> >>> >> > the
>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based
>> >>> >> > app
>> >>> >> > that
>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy
>> >>> >> it.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >> early feedback
>> >>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Regards
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Brian
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-01 Thread Christian Ledermann

A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
application
It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.

On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
> branch with your comments
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Some feedback about your code:
>> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be
>> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>
>> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it
>> later.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>>
>>> you have to download the
>>>
>>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>> sligtly improved documentation
>>>
>>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata
>>>
>>> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>>> and
>>> `School contact details` from
>>>
>>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>>
>>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>>> using it. The headers must be:
>>>'SeedCode',
>>> 'LA Name',
>>> 'Centre Type',
>>> 'School Name',
>>> 'Address 1',
>>> 'Address 2',
>>> 'Address 3',
>>> 'Post code',
>>> 'E-mail',
>>> 'Phone',
>>> 'Primary_school',
>>> 'Secondary',
>>> 'Special',
>>> 'Primary roll',
>>> 'Secondary roll',
>>> 'Special roll',
>>> 'Primary1',
>>> 'Secondary1',
>>> 'Special1',
>>> 'Denomination'
>>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> > Hi Christian,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for this app.
>>> >
>>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>>> > mentionned
>>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Eric
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>>> > 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>> >> > Hi Christian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
>>> >> early feedback
>>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Brian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>>> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Best Regards,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Christian Ledermann
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> >> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> <*)))>{
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>>> >> >> left,
>>> >> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>>> >> >> If
>>> >> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>>> >> >> both.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 3) Don’t change

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-05-09 Thread Christian Ledermann

I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
branch with your comments

On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Some feedback about your code:
> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be
> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>
> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it
> later.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>
>> you have to download the
>>
>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>> sligtly improved documentation
>>
>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata
>>
>> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>> and
>> `School contact details` from
>>
>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>
>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>> using it. The headers must be:
>>'SeedCode',
>> 'LA Name',
>> 'Centre Type',
>> 'School Name',
>> 'Address 1',
>> 'Address 2',
>> 'Address 3',
>> 'Post code',
>> 'E-mail',
>> 'Phone',
>> 'Primary_school',
>> 'Secondary',
>> 'Special',
>> 'Primary roll',
>> 'Secondary roll',
>> 'Special roll',
>> 'Primary1',
>> 'Secondary1',
>> 'Special1',
>> 'Denomination'
>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> > Hi Christian,
>> >
>> > Thanks for this app.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>> > mentionned
>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Eric
>> >
>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> >> > Hi Christian
>> >> >
>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required
>> >> > for
>> >> > the
>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app
>> >> > that
>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>> >>
>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.
>> >>
>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
>> >> early feedback
>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Best Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <*)))>{
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>> >> >> left,
>> >> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>> >> >> both.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> }<(((*>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ___
>> >> >> Talk-GB mailing list
>> >> >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
>> >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >>
>> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>
>> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>
>>

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-05-06 Thread Christian Ledermann

On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Hi Christian
>
> Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required for the
> preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app that
> ordinary folk can use?

Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.

Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
early feedback
so I would not be barking up the wrong tree


>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>>
>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>
>> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>>
>> ___
>> Talk-GB mailing list
>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
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2016-05-06 Thread Brian Prangle

Hi Christian

Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required for the
preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app that
ordinary folk can use?

Regards

Brian

On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann 
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> Hi,
>
> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>
> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>
> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>
> --
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
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>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
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[Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-05-05 Thread Christian Ledermann

Hi,

I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.

https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase

Please have a look and let me know what you think.

-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


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[Talk-GB] Schools project: last week

2016-03-23 Thread Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

With one week to go we're at 79% of schools mapped. The total number of
amenity=school features has been falling in the last week as we continue to
remove duplicated nodes.

Let's aim for one big final push to get us over 80% and to get the total up
again.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

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[Talk-GB] Schools mapping project: Update number ?

2016-02-22 Thread Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

I've lost track of which update number we are on, but here are the latest
things from the UK Quarterly Project to map schools:

1. "Night School" event
To coincide with Open Data Day we are looking to hold an evening mapping
event. The aim being to get as many people involved for one evening as
possible. Date will most likely be Tuesday 1st March. It will be an online
event but if your local group wants to get together then go for it! Follow
the discussion at
https://www.loomio.org/d/Nt4DYCu2/concentrating-our-efforts or post to
talk-gb.

2. MapRoulette challenge
Martijn is woking on getting a maproulette challenge up online. I've
suggested we focus on our least mapped postcode regions. So that's BT
(Northern Ireland), NP, CF, SA, LD, SY, TF, OL, M, BL, WN, PR and BB.

3. 10,000 edits (and other stats)
Wow! We are getting close to 10,000 edits to amenity=school features.
Hopefully this will happen by Wednesday if we have a good few days. We're
also at over 250 mappers, 72.5% completeness (schools mapped as ways), and
around 2000 amenity=school ways have been added.

Happy mapping,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project update 4

2016-02-14 Thread Rob Nickerson

Knew I'd forget some!

7. Eight postcodes are 100% complete
Several more are as complete as can be due to shared sites etc making
"100%" on the tracker difficult.
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

8. Robert W's tool has had some updates
See
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2016-February/018434.html

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 at 23:21 Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A few updates on the school mapping project (sorry if I missed any, I've
> been away from it a little so may have missed a few things):
>
> 1. Trial of Loomio
> In the loomio trial we have decided to attempt a press release. Gregory
> has got a great draft up already for review [A] and you can join the
> discussion at loomio at [2B]
>
> [A] https://hackpad.com/OSM-UK-Schools-Project-bcgTXlEJ0K3
> [B] https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956
>
> 2. Mapping guide
> One way to introduce new people to OpenStreetMap is via the school
> project. There is now a picture based mapping guide. More guides are always
> welcome :-)
>
> http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/how-to-map-a-school-in-openstreetmap.html
>
> 3. More clean-up of duplicated data
> Total number of amenity=school features has stalled a little at the
> moment. Still lots of mapping activity so this is a sign of another round
> of clean-up of duplicated ways.
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515
>
> 4. Plenty still mapping though :-)
> This must just be a clean-up exercise as we still have plenty of people
> mapping (often 20+ per day doing 150+ edits per day).
>
> 5. We hit 3000 new amenity=school features
> Harry's tracker shows whether an edit to a school was a "creation" or a
> "modification". We just hit 3000 creations !!
>
> 6. Inclusion of official reference
> The total number of objects with edubase or seedcode references has topped
> 4000! Amazing demonstration of providing links to other databases. Would be
> cool to see some tool that makes use of this :)
>
> Happy mapping,
> Rob
>
>
> 
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[Talk-GB] Schools project update 4

2016-02-14 Thread Rob Nickerson

Hi,

A few updates on the school mapping project (sorry if I missed any, I've
been away from it a little so may have missed a few things):

1. Trial of Loomio
In the loomio trial we have decided to attempt a press release. Gregory has
got a great draft up already for review [A] and you can join the discussion
at loomio at [2B]

[A] https://hackpad.com/OSM-UK-Schools-Project-bcgTXlEJ0K3
[B] https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

2. Mapping guide
One way to introduce new people to OpenStreetMap is via the school project.
There is now a picture based mapping guide. More guides are always welcome
:-)
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/how-to-map-a-school-in-openstreetmap.html

3. More clean-up of duplicated data
Total number of amenity=school features has stalled a little at the moment.
Still lots of mapping activity so this is a sign of another round of
clean-up of duplicated ways.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515

4. Plenty still mapping though :-)
This must just be a clean-up exercise as we still have plenty of people
mapping (often 20+ per day doing 150+ edits per day).

5. We hit 3000 new amenity=school features
Harry's tracker shows whether an edit to a school was a "creation" or a
"modification". We just hit 3000 creations !!

6. Inclusion of official reference
The total number of objects with edubase or seedcode references has topped
4000! Amazing demonstration of providing links to other databases. Would be
cool to see some tool that makes use of this :)

Happy mapping,
Rob

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[Talk-GB] Schools Mapping Progress Tools

2016-02-12 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)

A few additional features that I've added to my tools at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/ recently:

* On the maps on postcode area pages e.g.
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/IP/ , matches via ref:*
tags are now distinguished from matches based on proximity. The former
are shown with darker green lines, and latter with lighter ones.

* I've built a facility to provide manual corrections to postcodes
from the official data sources. So if any are missing or incorrect or
use a forwarding address, my tools can be given better data. See
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/data-queries.html for
automatically detected issues. If you want to go hunting for any
missing postcodes, then feel free to email them to me. I need the
Edubase URN (or the appropriate ref from one of the other data
sources), the current postcode in the data source and the corrected
one.

* There is another table at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/matching-queries.html that
reports on ref:* tag values that couldn't be parsed into a
valid-looking number. Most of the initial errors there were Edubase
URNs that people had entered as "E 123456" rather than just "123456".
This is probably my fault as it was how I was displaying the numbers
in various tables in my tool. I've now changed the formatting to
hopefully make it more obvious that it's just the number that's the
reference.

Best wishes,

Robert.

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[Talk-GB] Schools project, testing Loomio, and the UK OSM group.

2016-02-07 Thread Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

I don't like asking people to sign up to yet another online service but I
think this *could* be really good.

TL;DR Please sign up to the following group to discuss how we can continue
to support the quarterly project:
https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

=Full details=
I have set up a group on Loomio to focus on the quarterly project to map
schools. Loomio is a collaboration tool that puts a focus on making
decisions. In late 2015 I spent a considerable amount of time researching
collaboration and communication tools. This followed on from the results of
the UK OSM group survey [1] which showed that 45% of people wanted decision
making to be at the membership level for *all* decisions.

The question was "How do we deliver the ability for members to drive
decision making?" The basic option is to stick with talk-gb - this has got
us to where we are now but should we be looking elsewhere in order to
better connect with potential mappers/users?

My research [2] found that Loomio is up there with the best of the
alternate tools. It is open source and can be deployed on our own servers
(for now we use their hosting).

I would like to trial Loomio with the current quarterly project - schools.
I'm aware some people won't like the idea of moving away from talk-gb but
if you could give it a go that would be appreciated. The Loomio group is
public and you can set up your email alerts as you desire (similar to
talk-gb).

Link to the group:

https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

Best,
*Rob*
[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#
[2]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-29 Thread Philip Barnes

On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 18:35 +, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> >> 1. Open Data Manchester
> >> Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone
> can
> >> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is
> Monday
> >> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
> >> 
> >Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
> >18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long
> as
> >its not too far from the station.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Phil (trigpoint)
> 
I have signed up so am on the list.

Will take my laptop so I can demonstrate adding a school with iD.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-28 Thread Dave F

I note the edubase website has Eastings & Northings. If they're more 
accurate than postcode centroids is there a way to

'scrape' the website as they don't appear to be in the downloaded database?

Cheers
Dave F.

On 26/01/2016 19:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:

A third update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. Open Data Manchester
Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can 
go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday 
February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?


2. Edits continue at pace.
For those adding #OSMSchools to their changeset comments (sorry no way 
to go back and add it if you forget) we reached a high of 258 
changesets on 18th Jan. The map is starting to look well covered 
(although some gaps missingso please continue to use this in your 
changesets). See 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=OSMschool#6/53.495/-3.549


3. 175 people have done 5351 edits
Amazing numbers measured by Harry's tracker. Looks like Uganda has 
joined the project too. It would be great if someone could turn the 
CSV linked data at the bottom of the tracker into a daily chart. See 
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/


4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete. 
Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more 
schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too 
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/


5. Nodes converted to ways
Following lot's of data clean up we are nearing 80% of schools mapped 
as land areas rather than simple points. We should hit this in the 
next couple of days.


6. Northern Ireland still needs some work
If you map in Northern Ireland and want to get involved please do. 
Each extra school mapped there will help lift it off the bottom of the 
tracker. We can also look at doing some initiatives in NI if the local 
community want this. Let us know :-)


7. Blogs and video
Please keep up the blogging and tweeting. It would be great if we 
could attract some new mappers (a how to map schools video would be 
great if you have time to do this). If you don't run a blog then I can 
let you post to http://mappa-mercia.org


Happy mapping
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-27 Thread Rob Nickerson

>>* 1. Open Data Manchester
*>>* Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can
*>*> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday
*>*> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
*>*>
*>Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
>18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long as
>its not too far from the station.
>
>Thanks
>Phil (trigpoint)


Thanks Phil,

Looks like it is a 20 minute walk west from Piccadilly [1]. I've messaged
to check that there is time during the meeting to cover OpenStreetMap.
Would be looking for a basic intro to editing (perhaps with iD as that
seems to be the starter editor of choice now) and pointing in the direction
of the UK Quarterly project [2]. Would be good to demo how to find a school
that needs mapping (using the tools we have), then how to add a simple
amenity=school area to OSM.

I shall let you know when I know more.

Best,
*Rob*
[1]
http://opendatamanchester.org.uk/2016/01/13/open-infrastructure-night-open-data-and-open-iot/
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-27 Thread Philip Barnes

On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 19:38 +, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> A third update on the quarterly project.
> 
> 0. The what project?
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
> 
> 1. Open Data Manchester
> Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can
> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday
> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
> 
Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long as
its not too far from the station.

Thanks
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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-26 Thread Rob Nickerson

A third update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. Open Data Manchester
Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can go and
show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday February 1st,
6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?

2. Edits continue at pace.
For those adding #OSMSchools to their changeset comments (sorry no way to
go back and add it if you forget) we reached a high of 258 changesets on
18th Jan. The map is starting to look well covered (although some gaps
missingso please continue to use this in your changesets). See
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=OSMschool#6/53.495/-3.549

3. 175 people have done 5351 edits
Amazing numbers measured by Harry's tracker. Looks like Uganda has joined
the project too. It would be great if someone could turn the CSV linked
data at the bottom of the tracker into a daily chart. See
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/

4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete.
Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more
schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

5. Nodes converted to ways
Following lot's of data clean up we are nearing 80% of schools mapped as
land areas rather than simple points. We should hit this in the next couple
of days.

6. Northern Ireland still needs some work
If you map in Northern Ireland and want to get involved please do. Each
extra school mapped there will help lift it off the bottom of the tracker.
We can also look at doing some initiatives in NI if the local community
want this. Let us know :-)

7. Blogs and video
Please keep up the blogging and tweeting. It would be great if we could
attract some new mappers (a how to map schools video would be great if you
have time to do this). If you don't run a blog then I can let you post to
http://mappa-mercia.org

Happy mapping
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-26 Thread Lester Caine

On 26/01/16 19:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> 4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
> Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete.
> Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more
> schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

Actually the completion list is actually a lot better than that. The
current process has problems with special cases which ARE complete as
best we can tag them, but the progress tool does not understand the
problems.

But it would be better to also display what percentage actually have
edubase or similar ID tags as well. That coverage needs more work yet.
I've hacked the current name check script and can identify those schools
that exist but without an ID.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-26 Thread Rob Nickerson

Am aware of this Lester. It makes the blog post a lot harder though. Feel
free to write something up and send it through :-)

BTW: The amenity=college page on the wiki [1] is lacking a lot. Could do
with some extra details (rather than simply linking to wikipedia) and it's
context needs expanding beyond just the UK. Any takers?

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[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcollege
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

2016-01-26 Thread Lester Caine

On 26/01/16 21:20, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> 
> BTW: The amenity=college page on the wiki [1] is lacking a lot. Could do
> with some extra details (rather than simply linking to wikipedia) and
> it's context needs expanding beyond just the UK. Any takers?
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcollege

Actually the way that the UK higher education structure has changed it's
possibly pointless today bothering with 'college' as a category. Many
'Technical Colleges' now call themselves Universities, and secondary
education now extends into the sixth form college sector. When a
University includes 'Hairdressing' or 'Car mechanics' then it's degree
status looks a little suspect? Even the Wikipedia article is tagged as
'Outdated' for 'Further Education' :)

That said, The remaining college sector does seem to be consolidating
with a well defined 'non-university' prospectus and the EduBase2
categories for University and College is probably an ideal division to
follow, and I was tagging sixth form colleges as College rather than
School following that tagging. The question perhaps is should the fancy
'Academy' Secondary school be tagged separately at all? Since these do
not have to include that in their titles ... The tricky bit being the
16-19 age range campuses. Of cause once the URN is included one can look
up the secondary data anyway.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Ed Loach

Robert wrote:

> Just a quick note to say that I've updated the matching used in my
> tool at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/ so that
> OSM
> objects with a ref:edubase, ref:seedcode, or ref:deniirn that
> matches
> an entry on the official list will now always be 'matched' in my tool.
> 
> (Previously the match would only be recorded if the OSM object was
> within 1km of the postcode centroid recorded in the official list.
> Also official list entries with a missing or invalid postcode could
> not be matched at all. Both of these problems are now fixed.)
> 
> This new looseness in the matching is needed to cope with some
> schools
> that have missing postcodes in the official lists, and multiple sites
> and/or use PO boxes for their official address. However, it may lead
> to some false positives, so there is a new report at
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/matching-queries.html
> which
> lists possible problems with the matching that would benefit from
> manual checking.

I think this is an improvement (certainly it has boosted the CO matching by a 
couple of % - though that might also be partly down to the surveys and edits I 
made yesterday).

But the above and my edits yesterday make me wonder if we can settle on a way 
to map two schools that share grounds. I have been tagging the grounds as 
amenity=school, and the separate buildings for the two schools with the 
different ref:edubase etc tags on. These don't get matched - I end up with a 
proximity match for one of the two schools to the school grounds area, and a 
blue dot for the other.
Examples: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/393006341
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/64096389

Similarly there are schools with two sites. For these I put the ref:edubase 
tags etc on the main site, being the one matched by address from the data. The 
second site I don't add anything to, but that leaves it as something which will 
possibly cause a false match based on proximity. Should I add just the 
ref:edubase tag to the second site as well?
example: school 114705 is being matched to a second site, though in this case 
that site is further away and without a ref:edubase than the actual school 
which is closer and does.
False match school: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35732246#map=16/51.8778/0.9127
Second site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/183160516
Primary site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305233410

Can we agree best practice for these two cases, so Robert is able to detect 
them and I can remap where necessary?

I also have one situation where I have added the school as a node within 
another building, as a school seems to be something they offer in the building 
with the primary purpose being health related (perhaps hospital isn't the exact 
correct tag - maybe one of the social_facility ones).
http://osm.org/go/0EHZHHjsK?m=
I'm fairly sure though we don't want to start matching to nodes, so am happy to 
leave this showing as unmatched.

Incidentally the Braiswick Primary School on the new possible problems list is 
a new build school (not sure the larger building is finished yet) and either 
the postcode is wrong in the DfE data or the centroid location you have for it 
is way out - I suspect it is using the CO4 centroid rather than anything more 
accurate.

Thanks again for the matching tool. That and OsmAnd made surveying both easier 
and interesting yesterday (as I was letting OsmAnd guide me down lanes I didn't 
know just moving from one point to the next - was interesting to see the GPS 
trace this morning to find out where I'd been). I still managed to miss two of 
the points I'd aimed to survey - those are likely to have to wait until next 
weekend now. I've also found out how to get OsmAnd speaking directions in 
background and have Mapillary taking photos in foreground. Those 2700+ photos I 
think are currently processing.

Ed

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[Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)

Just a quick note to say that I've updated the matching used in my
tool at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/ so that OSM
objects with a ref:edubase, ref:seedcode, or ref:deniirn that matches
an entry on the official list will now always be 'matched' in my tool.

(Previously the match would only be recorded if the OSM object was
within 1km of the postcode centroid recorded in the official list.
Also official list entries with a missing or invalid postcode could
not be matched at all. Both of these problems are now fixed.)

This new looseness in the matching is needed to cope with some schools
that have missing postcodes in the official lists, and multiple sites
and/or use PO boxes for their official address. However, it may lead
to some false positives, so there is a new report at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/matching-queries.html which
lists possible problems with the matching that would benefit from
manual checking.

Best wishes,

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Dan S

2016-01-24 11:42 GMT+00:00 Ed Loach :
> Stuart wrote:
>
>> 1 site, 2 schools:
>> • boundary has amenity=school
>> • buildings have school names & e.g. edubase tags. I used amenity=school for
>> the individual buildings though, as well as building=school. It should 
>> probably
>> only be building=school, really, as the site is the amenity. But this way it 
>> gets
>> picked up on the match tool.
>> • I would ideally like to have named the boundary e.g. “Hamstel Schools”
>> or “Chalkwell Schools” but haven’t as that will (for now) lead to a false 
>> “look at” flag.
>
> I think what you describe as what you’d ideally like to do is what I did in 
> those examples I mentioned in my previous email (I can't remember though 
> whether I used building=school or building=yes).
>
>> 1 school, 2 sites.
>>
>> • I used the site relation, via JOSM. I believe that this is the correct way 
>> to do it. I
>> tagged the site relation with the edubase code and names, and the individual 
>> sites
>> with the names of e.g. “XX upper school” and “XX lower school”. However, 
>> these
>> didn’t get matched.
>
> The site relation page however
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site#Proposal
> suggests it should be multipolygon and not site -
> "For example the tag amenity=school describes the perimeter of the school 
> grounds, for schools with multiple sites the multipolygon relation can be 
> used. Usage of a site relation is not appropriate here."

Hi - it's an interesting ambiguity between "multipolygon" and "site".
I actually think the thing you quote is a bit mis-worded, and what
they're trying to say (I'm inferring from the other sentences in the
wiki page...!) is that you should use "multipolygon" to aggregate
multiple buildings (for example) that sit within a single grounds,
whereas you should use "site" to aggregate multiple objects that are
more widely separated ("scattered throughout across the city" is the
wiki guidance).

This shows that OSM could perhaps live without the "site" relation if
people simply used multipolygons. However I think people tend to
assume multipolygons are quite localised, which probably makes a
difference to how they are rendered (e.g. one label for a whole
multipolygon, vs one label for each member of a site).

Anyone else got input on this? I might tweak the wiki, if it seems I'm
not in the wrong.

Best
Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

On 24/01/16 13:09, Lester Caine wrote:
> That just leave 4 more objects to check :)

OK most of the 'red dot' items were out of area, but I've tidied them up
anyway as they are still Worcestershire.

Pershore College has been sort of solved by following the current
signage ;) It has 'Part of Warwickshire College' on the entrance signs,
so I've added that to the name.

The campuses of 'Heart of Worcestershire College' all seem to have new
signs with that on but nothing else, so I've added a '- xxx' with the
campus name taken from their website. On my todo list still is to add
the rest of the missing sites.

Think hat this just leaves the Abbey Park Schools problem and the New
College Worcester to be sorted. The information is in the database, just
the progress display showing a problem.

Next month I'll move on to 'DY' as a lot of that is still
'Worcestershire' :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Ed Loach

Stuart wrote:

> 1 site, 2 schools:
> • boundary has amenity=school
> • buildings have school names & e.g. edubase tags. I used amenity=school for 
> the individual buildings though, as well as building=school. It should 
> probably 
> only be building=school, really, as the site is the amenity. But this way it 
> gets 
> picked up on the match tool.
> • I would ideally like to have named the boundary e.g. “Hamstel Schools” 
> or “Chalkwell Schools” but haven’t as that will (for now) lead to a false 
> “look at” flag.

I think what you describe as what you’d ideally like to do is what I did in 
those examples I mentioned in my previous email (I can't remember though 
whether I used building=school or building=yes).

> 1 school, 2 sites.
> 
> • I used the site relation, via JOSM. I believe that this is the correct way 
> to do it. I 
> tagged the site relation with the edubase code and names, and the individual 
> sites 
> with the names of e.g. “XX upper school” and “XX lower school”. However, 
> these 
> didn’t get matched.

The site relation page however 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site#Proposal
suggests it should be multipolygon and not site -
"For example the tag amenity=school describes the perimeter of the school 
grounds, for schools with multiple sites the multipolygon relation can be used. 
Usage of a site relation is not appropriate here."

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Ed Loach

> > The site relation page however
> >
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site#Prop
> osal
> > suggests it should be multipolygon and not site -
> > "For example the tag amenity=school describes the perimeter of
> the school grounds, for schools with multiple sites the multipolygon
> relation can be used. Usage of a site relation is not appropriate
> here."
> 
> Hi - it's an interesting ambiguity between "multipolygon" and "site".
> I actually think the thing you quote is a bit mis-worded, and what
> they're trying to say (I'm inferring from the other sentences in the
> wiki page...!) is that you should use "multipolygon" to aggregate
> multiple buildings (for example) that sit within a single grounds,
> whereas you should use "site" to aggregate multiple objects that are
> more widely separated ("scattered throughout across the city" is the
> wiki guidance).
> 
> This shows that OSM could perhaps live without the "site" relation if
> people simply used multipolygons. However I think people tend to
> assume multipolygons are quite localised, which probably makes a
> difference to how they are rendered (e.g. one label for a whole
> multipolygon, vs one label for each member of a site).
> 
> Anyone else got input on this? I might tweak the wiki, if it seems I'm
> not in the wrong.

I personally don't see the difference between our case here (a school with 
multiple sites/campuses) and the university example provided on the page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site#Examples
Although having said that the amenity=university wiki page suggests a 
multipolygon should be used (an unanswered question on the talk page there asks 
how to put the different campus names on the relevant member areas).

However, I think in the standard render that Site gets no labels and 
multipolygons gets one for each outer way (based on local woods with the name 
all over the place). Not that how things render should affect our choice.

The other bit of text on that wiki page though is "The features should have a 
close geographic relationship, usually within the same town." I'll cling to the 
word 'usually' if we decide to use site relations for multi-campus schools, as 
Colchester Institute has a Clacton campus, and Tendring Technology College has 
the main school in Frinton and the second campus in Thorpe-le-Soken. I've not 
yet worked out what to do about the mapped Adult Community Learning centres 
that don't have edubase refs and are scattered across Essex (there are three 
centres already mapped and tagged as amenity=college in the CO area - Harwich, 
Clacton and Colchester) - this relates 
https://www.essex.gov.uk/Adult-Learning/Pages/Default.aspx

So I'm currently unconvinced by the site relation, especially as the discussion 
on its talk page suggests the proposal is still evolving - it seems I commented 
on it nearly 5 years ago and since forgot.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

On 24/01/16 10:43, Ed Loach wrote:
> But the above and my edits yesterday make me wonder if we can settle on a way 
> to map two schools that share grounds. I have been tagging the grounds as 
> amenity=school, and the separate buildings for the two schools with the 
> different ref:edubase etc tags on. These don't get matched - I end up with a 
> proximity match for one of the two schools to the school grounds area, and a 
> blue dot for the other.
> Examples: 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/393006341
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/64096389

I have the same problem with Abbey Park Schools
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.110348=-2.081149=16#map=18/52.10995/-2.08240
The central block is shared along with the grounds, and both school
buildings have their edubase ref, but the site does not so the check fails.

I'm three schools down on 100%, the other 'problem' New College
Worcester is the RNIB College, and has two edubase references for some
reason. I've tagged with the one which matches the website, and added a
node for the second, but need some way to make sure it's recognised? The
progress list quotes this as 'New College Worcester' but that is not
what appears on the edubase list ... New College Worcester (ISP) and New
College Worcester (NMSS) have different ids.

Not sure how Northwick Manor Primary School slipped through the net ;)

My other problems are South Worcestershire College, which is two
campuses one in Evesham, which edubase identifies, and the second in
Malvern ... which is not listed. However the bigger problem in my todo
list is Heart of Worcestershire College, which also has a campus in
Malvern along with another dozen sites spread around Worcester,
Bromsgrove and Redditch.

Pershore College is on the not matching list, and is now part of the
Warwickshire College Group. So I think I just need to switch the edubase
to that. Worcester Snoezelen is another one of those specialist teaching
centres that edubase does not list but is correct, so how do we tag them
to be ignored? Same with 'Avoncroft Arts Centre' but that is not in the
WR area, having a B postcode I think.

That just leave 4 more objects to check :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Dave F


Great stuff. I've corrected a couple of my mistakes you've flagged.

Would it be possible to add the area location so we can check the ones 
where we have more local knowledge?


If we let you know the why certain schools are flagging an error could 
you update your list with an extra column to indicate the reason? It 
would save users from double checking.


On your OSM Keys page, what's the significance of the yellow/grey shading?

Cheers
Dave F.



On 24/01/2016 09:49, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

Just a quick note to say that I've updated the matching used in my
tool at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/ so that OSM
objects with a ref:edubase, ref:seedcode, or ref:deniirn that matches
an entry on the official list will now always be 'matched' in my tool.

(Previously the match would only be recorded if the OSM object was
within 1km of the postcode centroid recorded in the official list.
Also official list entries with a missing or invalid postcode could
not be matched at all. Both of these problems are now fixed.)

This new looseness in the matching is needed to cope with some schools
that have missing postcodes in the official lists, and multiple sites
and/or use PO boxes for their official address. However, it may lead
to some false positives, so there is a new report at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/matching-queries.html which
lists possible problems with the matching that would benefit from
manual checking.

Best wishes,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

On 24/01/16 16:14, Dave F wrote:
> If we let you know the why certain schools are flagging an error could
> you update your list with an extra column to indicate the reason? It
> would save users from double checking.

Since a number of them are down to me, and ARE correct, that would be
useful ;)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Progress Tracker Update

2016-01-24 Thread Brian Prangle

DY almost complete so you need to pick another area. TF needs some
attention rgds Brian
On 24 Jan 2016 14:36, "Lester Caine"  wrote:

> On 24/01/16 13:09, Lester Caine wrote:
> > That just leave 4 more objects to check :)
>
> OK most of the 'red dot' items were out of area, but I've tidied them up
> anyway as they are still Worcestershire.
>
> Pershore College has been sort of solved by following the current
> signage ;) It has 'Part of Warwickshire College' on the entrance signs,
> so I've added that to the name.
>
> The campuses of 'Heart of Worcestershire College' all seem to have new
> signs with that on but nothing else, so I've added a '- xxx' with the
> campus name taken from their website. On my todo list still is to add
> the rest of the missing sites.
>
> Think hat this just leaves the Abbey Park Schools problem and the New
> College Worcester to be sorted. The information is in the database, just
> the progress display showing a problem.
>
> Next month I'll move on to 'DY' as a lot of that is still
> 'Worcestershire' :)
>
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