Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

[SteveC]

I'd urge you guys to think about /community/ as well as /technology/.

Import some Weait's or something.

Steve


On 10/12/2011 12:03 PM, Michal Migurski wrote:

Hand off agenda is a great idea.

My computing habits mean that IRC is probably unrealistic for me.

As far as goals for this year, I know that Ian has been building a server 
intended for hosting tile renders. I'd like to see that continue with a 
US-specific tile layer ready for public consumption six months from now.

Another idea I'd love discuss are extracts designed to assess the quality of 
OSM data on a county by county basis. I think this can be done in an automated 
fashion borrowing some of the ideas introduced by Geofabrik's Inspector, 
ultimately resulting in a regularly-produced summary of data quality for each 
of the 3000+ counties in the US.

Anyway, 'til tomorrow.

-mike.

On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:


I agree about the idea of the handoff agenda, but with or without, I will also 
be in the meeting tomorrow.  We should at least go in with some goals on what 
we plan to accomplish this year, and discuss if those goals are practical and 
how we can work together to help each other with our goals, and how our goals 
fit with the goals of the greater OSM US.

I'm going to try to be on the IRC channel more often as well.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michal Migurski  wrote:

Hey, cool!

Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim, and 
Richard.

According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow, but the 
most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow and see what 
happens. =)

Perhaps the outgoing board can help you to put together an agenda,
here on the list?  I'm sure they'll have some thoughts on a smooth
transition as well.

Also #osm-us is a low traffic irc channel that might work for you.
#osm-us is on irc.oftc.net, and available from the browser at
http://irc.openstreetmap.org/



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Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

[SteveC]

Well done all, good luck and looking forward to seeing what you 
accomplish! :-)


On 10/12/2011 11:32 AM, Michal Migurski wrote:

Hey, cool!

Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim, and 
Richard.

According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow, but the 
most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow and see what 
happens. =)

-mike.

On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Richard Weait wrote:


Dear All,

The results of the US local chapter board election have been received
and found to be valid.  Fourteen valid ballots were received from 50%
of the eligible members.

I would like to thank the outgoing members of the board for their
service to the community.  I would also like to thank all of the
candidates for offering to serve for the next year.

Richard Welty, was re-elected.  Martijn, Randy, Jim and Mike were each
elected.

You can find the detailed results on the wiki,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections

Best regards,
Richard Weait, independent scrutineer, on behalf of,
Jonathan Bennett, independent scrutineer,
Ian Dees, member of outgoing board.

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and

[SteveC]

On 9/15/2011 11:56 AM, Jim McAndrew wrote:

There has been some informal talk about when the elections are coming up.
I think with SOTM this year, things have been more focused on that 
than the elections.


SOTM was largely organised by OSMF and the working group with some funds 
channeled through the US.


With the greatest respect to those involved, I think it's better to just 
put the issue on the table that HOT took everyones time and not a lot of 
progress has been made with OSMFUS. That was great for HOT, as you can 
see, but OSMFUS needs people on the next board with the time to make the 
progress it needs, if for no other reason than showing those upstairs in 
Canada what we can do ;-)


Steve



I'm not a member of the board, although I am running this time around, 
but this is my understanding of the questions:


  * Where are the financial reports?
  o The secretary most likely has these, if they are published,
I'm not sure how current they are
  * What assets does the Chapter have? e.g  cash, investments, servers
and other hardware
  o The cash number would probably be in the financial report,
there are servers and some schwag
  * Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?)
  o I believe that Ian is doing at least 90% of this
  * Will administration of the servers change after the election?
  o I think Ian is pretty set on doing this, but if he isn't on
the new board, we may want to have him bring someone else up
to speed
  * What are Chapter servers being utilized for now?
  o This is a very good question, I think it's mostly imports and
bots, but I really don't know
  * What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the servers?
  o These are pretty minimal right now, this should also be
answered in the financial report
  * What projects are going on now or will be started after the election,
  o There are a number of subgroups that are all linked from the
OSM US Chapter page on the wiki
  + 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States
  * and what are the financial commitments?
  o I'm not sure on this, it would be on the financial reports as well
  * How many members are there?
  o I believe it to be 25ish
  * Has the Technical, Education & Student Outreach or US Tagging
working groups ever met?
  o The groups as a whole haven't, but each board member is
responsible for one or more groups, and the board members
voice the group concerns


I hope my view of these situations at least gets some people talking 
on this subject. I don't know if my answers are 100% right, but it 
should be enough to get the ball rolling on these issues.


--
Jim McAndrew
@JimmyRocks

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Richard Weait > wrote:


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe mailto:j...@joshdoe.com>> wrote:
> I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections
for the
> OSM US chapter,

The 2010 election was held in August, by email.  So it's probably a
bit late this year.

Minutes from meetings since March, if any, are missing from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_Minutes

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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Party SLC

[SteveC]

Would love to come if I can find a cheap flight, let us know when you 
pick a date.


On 8/27/2011 10:28 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:

Hi all,

I want to organize a mapping party here in Salt Lake City. Are there
any Salt Lake locals on this list? The wiki page[1] is sparse on
social happenings here so there may not have been any before.
Does anyone have connections with local organizations / government /
University that could be helpful?
Does OSM US have any resources to support mapping parties? I have a
few GPSes and a dozen or so hi-viz OSM surveyors vests. The latter I
would be happy to lend out by the way. Right now they are still on the
Atlantic somewhere with all my other stuff, in transit from Amsterdam.

Best
Martijn

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City



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Re: [Talk-us] Appearing Sign

[SteveC]

Dear all

A OSM sign has mysteriously appeared at a US battleship museum in Albany, NY 
without a note.

Does anyone have a clue why?

If not, is anyone near Albany and can go pick it up for reuse?

Steve


On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Rosehn Gipe wrote:

> Nothing else. No box. No note. Just the sign.
> The sign has the magnifying glass over map image and:
> Open Street Map
> www.openstreetmap.org
> The Free Wiki World Map
> 
> On 6/22/2011 11:33 AM, SteveC wrote:
>> Okay. We are a 400,000 strong volunteer community, do you have any other 
>> clues to go on?  What does the sign say? Who was it from?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> stevecoast.com
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:30, Rosehn Gipe  wrote:
>> 
>>> The sign is for Open Street Maps.
>>> 
>>> On 6/22/2011 11:26 AM, SteveC wrote:
>>>> I don't know why you're asking me?
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> stevecoast.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:21, Rosehn Gipe   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Good Morning--
>>>>> 
>>>>> A large "popupstand" sign was left on our doorstep yesterday. No one here 
>>>>> has any idea as to why. We're assuming it was delivered to the wrong 
>>>>> location. Someone might be waiting for it. Any ideas?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Rosehn Gipe
>>>>>  USS SLATER
>>>>>  Albany, New York
>>>>> 
>> 
> 

Steve

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Re: [Talk-us] It's taken awhile but....

[SteveC]

Nick that is awesome. Please feel free to set up a time and place for mapping 
parties an maybe come on the SoTM working group call to discuss coordination? 
Should all be very simple.

Steve

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On Jun 11, 2011, at 14:00, Nick Hocking  wrote:

> It's taken a couple or years but finally a top mapper has really improved on 
> some basic mapping I did in Las Vagas. I think they used personnel notes plus 
> Bing imagery and have really fleshed out Bellagio and quite a lot of other 
> Casinos. (although Encore is still woefully bad).
> 
> That has just decided me to holiday this year, again in Las Vegas (rather 
> than my planned Queensland trip).   I'll stay first at Mandalay Bay (since 
> they have a wave pool, and their mapping could use a bit of TLC) then Encore, 
> so that I can improve that a bit.
> 
> Then since Vegas is so close to Denver, I'll register for the SOTM. Are there 
> any mapping parties near Denver planned just before or just after the SOTM?
> 
> In order to repay Colorado for hosting the SOTM, maybe all registrants could 
> spend (say) 10 hours pushing Colorado Tiger data around to fit Bing imagery.  
>  I'll finish off Grand Juction over the next few weeks and on my way to 
> Denver (from Vegas) I'll map for a couple of days in Grand Junction to try to 
> map all the new roads.   I've just done a bit more Tiger pushing and 
> unfortunately it seems that Grand Junction REALLY needs a few months work 
> from a keen local mapper.
>  
> OK - this should  be fun!
>  
> Cheers
> Nick
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[Talk-us] Watch out if mapping in Florida, Georgia...

[SteveC]

GPS might not work;

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/20/unavailabe_gps_warning/


Steve

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[Talk-us] Fwd: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with OpenStreetMap?

[SteveC]

Steve

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michal Migurski 
> Date: December 14, 2010 11:14:19 PM PST
> To: SteveC 
> Subject: Re: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with 
> OpenStreetMap?
> 

> I told him I'd pass the word along, there's nothing in there that seems like 
> a risk to me - go for it!
> 
> -mike.
> 
> On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM, SteveC wrote:
> 
>> Can this go to the list etc?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Michal Migurski  wrote:
>> 
>>> FYI.
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Thomas Long 
>>>> Date: December 14, 2010 2:27:07 PM PST
>>>> To: "Nath, Jay" 
>>>> Cc: Michal Migurski 
>>>> Subject: RE: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with 
>>>> OpenStreetMap?
>>>> 
>>>> Jay and Michal, 
>>>> Generally, our terms and conditions are not intended to place restrictions 
>>>> on the use of the data, but rather to gain the user's agreement that there 
>>>> are no warranties etc regarding the data, that the City's liability is 
>>>> limited and the user indemnifies us for any claims arising from the user's 
>>>> use of the data.  The exception would be if our website expressly states 
>>>> that there are other conditions/restrictions on the use of the data in 
>>>> question (such as when we obtain data from a 3d party that restricts our 
>>>> use of the data.)  I have not read the specific CC license Michal refers 
>>>> to, but I don't think there would be a conflict unless the CC license is 
>>>> contrary to the City's disclaimer/limitation of liability/indemnity 
>>>> language.  I hope this helps.  Let me know if you have other questions. 
>>>> Tom 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tom Long
>>>> Deputy City Attorney
>>>> Office of City Attorney Dennis J. Herrera
>>>> City Hall, Room 234
>>>> San Francisco, CA 94102
>>>> Tel: (415) 554-6548
>>>> Fax: (415) 554-4763
>>>> thomas.l...@sfgov.org
>>>> 
>>>> The information in this email is confidential and protected by the 
>>>> attorney/client and/or work product privileges.  If you received this 
>>>> email inadvertently, please permanently delete it. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From:"Nath, Jay"  
>>>> To:Michal Migurski , "Long, Thomas" 
>>>>  
>>>> Date:12/13/2010 10:11 AM 
>>>> Subject:RE: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with 
>>>> OpenStreetMap? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm copying in Thomas Long. We did speak with a member of OSM a few months 
>>>> ago on a similar topic.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Michal Migurski [mailto:m...@stamen.com] 
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:59 AM
>>>> To: Nath, Jay
>>>> Subject: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with 
>>>> OpenStreetMap?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jay,
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Monday!
>>>> 
>>>> A member of the OpenStreetMap community is interested in importing some of 
>>>> the data from DataSF into OSM, and he's looking at this clickthrough 
>>>> license:
>>>>http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp
>>>> 
>>>> They're wondering if the license is compatible with the CC-BY-SA & ODBL 
>>>> licenses that the project uses? That is to say, can the data be freely 
>>>> imported into a database under those terms, the same way that the project 
>>>> has already imported data from the U.S. Census TIGER road network, 
>>>> Massachusetts GIS, Arkansas, and other government entities over the past 
>>>> few years?
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry if this question is completely outside of your area of expertise, 
>>>> figured you might know who to ask.
>>>> 
>>>> -mike.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> michal migurski- m...@stamen.com
>>>>415.558.1610
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [attachment "winmail.dat" deleted by Thomas Long/CTYATT] 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> michal migurski- m...@stamen.com
>>> 415.558.1610
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> michal migurski- m...@stamen.com
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Re: [Talk-us] Address Node Import for San Francisco

[SteveC]

Just wanna say that addressing in SF would be awesome :-)

Steve

stevecoast.com

On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Katie Filbert  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Serge Wroclawski  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Gregory Arenius  wrote:
> > I've been working on an import of San Francisco address node data.  I have
> > several thoughts and questions and would appreciate any feedback.
> 
> The Wiki page doesn't mention the original dataset url. I have a few concerns:
> 
> 1) Without seeing the dataset url, it's hard to know anything about
> the dataset (its age, accuracy, etc.) 
> 
> This is a real problem with imports- knowing the original quality of
> the dataset before it's imported.
> 
> The project has had to remove or correct so many bad datasets, it's
> incredibly annoying.
> 
> > About the data.  Its in a shapefile format containing about 230,000
> > individual nodes.  The data is really high quality and all of the addresses
> > I have checked are correct.  It has pretty complete coverage of the entire
> > city.
> 
> MHO is that individual node addresses are pretty awful. If you can
> import the building outlines, and then attach the addresses to them,
> great (and you'll need to consider what's to be done with any existing
> data), but otherwise, IMHO, this dataset just appears as noise.
> 
>  
> 
> > Also, there are a large number of places where there are multiple nodes in
> > one location if there is more than one address at that location.  One
> > example would be a house broken into five apartments.  Sometimes they keep
> > one address and use apartment numbers and sometimes each apartment gets its
> > own house number.  In the latter cases there will be five nodes with
> > different addr:housenumber fields but identical addr:street and lat/long
> > coordinates.
> 
> > Should I keep the individual nodes or should I combine them?
> 
> Honestly, I think this is a very cart-before-horse. Please consider
> making a test of your dataset somewhere people can check out, and then
> solicit feedback on the process.
> 
> 
> > I haven't yet looked into how I plan to do the actual uploading but I'll
> > take care to make sure its easily reversible if anything goes wrong and
> > doesn't hammer any servers.
> 
> There are people who've spent years with the project and not gotten
> imports right, I think this is a less trivial problem than you might
> expect.
> 
> 
> > I've also made a wiki page for the import.
> >
> > Feedback welcome here or on the wiki page.
> 
> This really belongs on the imports list as well, but my feedback would be:
> 
> 1) Where's the shapefile? (if for nothing else, than the licnese, but
> also for feedback)
> 2) Can you attach the addresses to real objects (rather than standalone 
> nodes)?
> 3) What metadata will you keep from the other dataset?
> 4) How will you handle internally conflicting data?
> 5) How will you handle conflicts with existing OSM data?
> 
> - Serge
> 
> 
> A few comments...
> 
> 1) San Francisco explicitly says they do not have building outline data. :(  
> So, I suppose we get to add buildings ourselves.  I do see that SF does have 
> parcels.  
> 
> For DC, we are attaching addresses to buildings when there is a one-to-one 
> relation between them.  When there are multiple address nodes for a single 
> building, then we keep them as nodes. In vast majority of cases, we do not 
> have apartment numbers but in some cases we have things like 1120a, 1120b, 
> 1120c that can be imported.  Obviously, without a buildings dataset, our 
> approach won't quite apply for SF.
> 
> 2) I don't consider the addresses as noise.  The data is very helpful for 
> geocoding.  If the renderer does a sloppy job making noise out of addresses, 
> the renderings should be improved. 
> 
> 3) Having looked at the data catalogue page, I do have concerns about the 
> terms of use and think it's best to get SF to explicitly agree to allow OSM 
> to use the data.
> 
> http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp
> 
> 4) If you can get explicit permission, then I suggest breaking up the address 
> nodes into smaller chunks (e.g. by census block group), convert them to osm 
> format with Ian's shp-to-osm tool, and check them for quality and against 
> existing OSM data (e.g. existing pois w/ addresses) in JOSM before importing. 
>  QGIS and/or PostGIS can be useful for chopping up the data into geographic 
> chunks.  This approach gives opportunity to apply due diligence, to check 
> things, and keep chunks small enough that it's reasonably possible to deal 
> with any mistakes or glitches.
> 
> -Katie
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[Talk-us] stop signs

[SteveC]

okay so there are a ton of stop signs in my neighborhood that TeleAtlas don't 
know about, and think every road is 30mph all the way through. The current 
scheme isn't flexible enough to do 2 way signs

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dstop

because if you put two stop node each side of an intersection then a routing 
algorithm will try to stop even if you're turning away from the intersection 
and the stop applies to traffic going in the opposite direction.

Therefor I propose stop signs go on the intersection and save a lot of hassle 
with the tag

highway=stop

and in addition, has the road it applies to

stop=all

is explicit and implied on any node without an explicit 'all' tag.

If it's just one street at the crossing of Bonkers Road and Moronic Parkway 
then you can do

stop=Bonkers Road

to indicate that it's a two way stop on just that road of the intersection.

Thoughts?

The main thing is how to explicitly tag one stop sign on a 4 way intersection. 
If you put just one node down then it's ambiguous as to the direction it 
applies to. Unless you split it up in to two ways each in different directions, 
which starts to get cumbersome.

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Re: [Talk-us] Request for community mediation

[SteveC]

+1 

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Ian Dees wrote:

> I agree with Richard but I don't want to feed the trolls by responding (which 
> is the policy of several other mailing list readers I know).
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010 4:08 PM, "Nathan Edgars II"  wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II  
> >> wrote:
> >>> This discussion seems to have ended. Is it time to play "spot the
> >>> consensus" yet?
> >>
> >> I've spotted the consensus. Stop your bickering. Either come to an
> >> agreement about this tagging, or ignore each other, but absolutely
> >> stop picking on each other.
> > 
> > You and Frederick seem to be the only ones with that view who
> > contributed to this thread. Do you have your mail client set to ignore
> > the others?
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM bid- Denver

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On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Katie Filbert wrote:

> I think the bid is very promising and would be happy to come to Denver
> 
> Being strawman here, putting some issues and questions out...
> 
> Take a look at Haifa's Wikimania bid page, and perhaps fill in some more 
> details like what they provided
> 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Bids/Haifa
> 
> Especially, visas are going to be a concern.  What is the team going to do to 
> help facilitate getting visas and dealing with inevitable troubles

Meh - it's just as big a problem in Europe. A bunch of people were denied.

> 
> Also more specifics about venue... sounds like it's up in the air?  Which is 
> the most likely or best option of those listed? What buildings would we be 
> in?what kind of space is there for plenary sessions? Social space?  The dates 
> for the conference are September--- during the fall semester. Will this be a 
> problem? Is the venue available for the dates?
> 
> Sponsorships... Do we have any sponsors committed yet? Maybe ad contigency of 
> a winning bid?  

I think you should help answer these questions.

> Travel - SOTM has previously been held in Europe, which make it easier for 
> OSM volunteers in Europe (much larger community) to attend. Could we this 
> year raise some sponsorship money to fund scholarships to bring OSM 
> volunteers to SOTM who otherwise cannot afford to attend. Previous 
> scholarships were only for people from developing countries, which is good 
> but let's do more. Wikimedia funds 40-50 volunteers to attend Wikimania, plus 
> people funded by wikimedia chapters, and that makes the conference more 
> inclusive
> 
> Also take a look at last years SOTM bids for Barcelona that proposed doing 
> FOSS4G and SOTM back to back. What were the reasons why the committee decided 
> against it?  For Denver, make sure to address any concerns that there might 
> be about this 
> 
> Katie
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, "Coast, Hurricane" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hey North American OSMers,
>> 
>> The Bids for State of the Map must be final by October 15th.
>> 
>> Much work has been done on the Denver Bid page, but it still can use some 
>> spit and polish :)
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2011/Bid/Denver
>> 
>> Go ahead and give it a 5 minute look over and add your special touch 
>> 
>> More pictures (venues)?
>> More names on the ‘who’s involved’. Remember you don’t have to be in Denver 
>> to help out!
>> 
>> Let’s have a winning bid and host the 5th Annual SOTM in our ‘home’.
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Re: [Talk-us] Detroit

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nov 13


On Oct 12, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, SteveC  wrote:
>> Is anyone on this list in the Detroit metro area? I was hoping to speak at 
>> the LUG there, but can't, and it'd be nice if someone else could do a little 
>> OSM demo.
> 
> When?
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[Talk-us] Detroit

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Is anyone on this list in the Detroit metro area? I was hoping to speak at the 
LUG there, but can't, and it'd be nice if someone else could do a little OSM 
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing

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sounds like you should join us in SF!

On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Peter Batty wrote:

> I think it's great that something is being done on this.
> 
> Personally I would suggest finding a few volunteers to be tested and sit in a 
> room with them. You don't need a lot of people to find the key issues and I 
> think you get more from seeing them do it in person and having them "think 
> out loud" rather than using remote screen recording software.
> 
> I've posted this before but I highly recommend this book on usability 
> testing, "Don't make me think", it's a very quick read: http://amzn.to/9A5LTz
> 
> Just my few cents!
> 
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, SteveC  wrote:
> 
> On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:20, SteveC  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC  wrote:
> >>>> Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple 
> >>>> online
> >>>> screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is
> >>>> where you come in.
> >>>
> >>> What screen capturing software package is it?
> >>
> >> I believe it is
> >>
> >>http://www.usertesting.com/
> >
> > So, a Windows only client: 
> > http://www.usertesting.com/popups/ApplicantFAQs.aspx
> 
> Feel free to suggest something 'better' then.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing

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On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:20, SteveC  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC  wrote:
>>>> Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple 
>>>> online
>>>> screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is
>>>> where you come in.
>>> 
>>> What screen capturing software package is it?
>> 
>> I believe it is
>> 
>>http://www.usertesting.com/
> 
> So, a Windows only client: 
> http://www.usertesting.com/popups/ApplicantFAQs.aspx

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing

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On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC  wrote:
>> Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple online
>> screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is
>> where you come in.
> 
> What screen capturing software package is it?

I believe it is

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[Talk-us] OSM User Testing

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I've written previously about OSM usability studies, and now it's happening. 
Nate Bolt from the fantabulous Bolt|Peters is going to help OSM run usability 
tests and we need your help.

The timeline looks something like this: This week or next we're going to switch 
on some javascript on the OSM signup page that invites a percentage of signups 
to help OSM run a user survey. Those people fill out a form and are invited 
later to use some simple online screen capturing software while asked to do 
some simple tasks and this is where you come in. We need to think of some 
simple tasks for new users to complete, and we'll put them together over on 
this wiki page. Add a street? Find a mailing list? Add a point of interest? 
What should they do? That's up to you.

Also, if you're running a mapping party we can give you a super secret link 
where you can send new users to do the same tasks with screen recording. You 
mustn't help them on the first go, as that's exactly what we're trying to find 
out - what goes wrong.

Then on December 8th (tentative) at the Bolt|Peters office in San Francisco, 
OSMers together with the UX wizards will analyze the videos and make some joint 
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Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Announcements

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it's a wiki...

:-)

On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 9/25/10 8:55 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
>> jeremy jozwik writes:
>>  >  will there be a US version? http://new.mapquest.com/ still pulls from
>>  >  non-OSM maps
>> 
>> The quality is not there yet.  Look, for example, at Wayne County, New
>> York.  Or Yates County.  Or Livingston County.  They are unusably bad
>> (except for the railroads, hehe).
>> 
> or almost anywhere in West Virginia...
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Invitation to Southern California Linux Expo 9x

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thanks, passing on to the US list...

On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Gareth J. Greenaway wrote:

> Greetings Steve,
> 
> I hope this email finds you doing well. We have begun the planning for
> the 9th annual Southern California Linux Expo and I wanted to
> formerly invite OpenStreetMap to participate again at our show.
> 
> The show will be taking place February 25th - 27nd, 2011 at a new
> venue.  SCALE 9x will be taking place at the Hilton LAX.
> This new venue will allow us to accommodate more exhibitors, more
> speakers, and make the show better overall.
> 
> I am also including a link to our "Call for Papers" if anyone from
> OpenStreetMap is interested in
> submitting a talk for consideration.
> 
> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/simple_cfp/
> 
> Thanks!
> Gareth
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Venues for State of the Map US and International Conferences

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Denver makes sense to me :-)


On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Leslie Zolman wrote:
> I was going to put my vote in for Denver.  If FOSS4G is going to be there 
> that would be great if people could make both events.
> 
> Leslie
> 
> From: Peter Batty 
> To: Ian Dees 
> Cc: "talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap" 
> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 8:41:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Venues for State of the Map US and International 
> Conferences
> 
> We are hosting the international FOSS4G (Free and Open Source Software for 
> Geospatial) conference in Denver in September 2011, and several folks have 
> suggested the idea of having State of the Map back to back with that (US 
> and/or international). The events should definitely be separate and have 
> their own identity (I think), but there would be quite a lot of people 
> interested in attending both. We'll probably have around 1000 people at 
> FOSS4G.
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> One of the topics discussed tonight during the US Chapter board meeting was 
> the possibility of making a bid for the international State of the Map 
> conference in 2011. We thought that it might make sense to combine the US and 
> international conferences into one and try to draw attendees from the rest of 
> the world.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good host city for either the US or International State 
> of the Map?
> 
> I'll start by suggesting my current city of Minneapolis.
>   - Relatively major airport so flights should be cheap and/or quick
>   - A large metropolitan area with lots to do and plenty of areas to map
>   - Several different venues of various sizes that are easily accessible by 
> public transit
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Re: [Talk-us] Meetups around the US

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Am Aug 25, 2010 um 10:52 AM schrieb Katie Filbert:

> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> 
> I'm here in Minneapolis and have done a couple mapping parties (with 7 or 8 
> people) where mapping actually happened. I think get-togethers/meetups would 
> be a good next step. I'm not very social and don't enjoy the "bar-scene" very 
> much. Have any tips for pulling something like this together?
> 
> 
> Another issue with doing meetups and mapping parties in the US at pubs is 
> that it can exclude people younger than 21 years old. (e.g. college or high 
> school students)  For Wikimedia meetups, we always have to keep that in mind, 
> as that age group includes many of our volunteers.

Good point. Under 21's are generally allowed in a pub/restaurant though, they 
just can't order is that right?


> 
> Pubs are fine for socializing, but I say not for mapping events.  (the pub 
> could be afterwards, separate, optional...)
> 
> -Katie
> 
>  
> Also, since I'm a nerd: would it be helpful to have a list/calendar/map 
> mashup of active meetups on the osm.us page somewhere?
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Meetups around the US

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Am Aug 25, 2010 um 10:31 AM schrieb Ian Dees:
> I'm here in Minneapolis and have done a couple mapping parties (with 7 or 8 
> people) where mapping actually happened. I think get-togethers/meetups would 
> be a good next step. I'm not very social and don't enjoy the "bar-scene" very 
> much. Have any tips for pulling something like this together?

Setup a meetup on meetup.com. A lot of people won't do facebook for meetups. 
Make sure they're on defined days like "third thursday each month". Have a few 
goals like discussing where to map, or having an editing intro class or 
something. Doesn't have to be in a bar, but the availability of beer often 
makes for a fun evening. Cafe can do just as well. The key is regularity and 
building a core of people to build the local community, I think.

> Also, since I'm a nerd: would it be helpful to have a list/calendar/map 
> mashup of active meetups on the osm.us page somewhere?

wiki.openstreetmap.org has a master calendar that I add events to.

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[Talk-us] Meetups around the US

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There was a super fun OSM meetup in Denver last night with about 20 people 
there. It was the second one (they're monthly now), hosted upstairs in a bar 
that did good food.

Picture: http://opengeodata.org/osm-denver-second-meetup

There are various plans to start running mapping parties and other events We 
need to make our zoo here in Denver as well mapped as DC or Berlin :-). It's a 
format that's working pretty well in places like the UK and Germany - regular 
meetings to chat OSM.

I think there are fairly regular meetups in SF? And in DC there is a geo meetup 
with an OSM slant (correct me if I'm wrong).

Is there anyone here from other major metros like Chicago? Seattle? LA? Boston? 
NY? Do you want some help getting a meetup started? It feels like the community 
is mature enough here in the US to begin regular meetups in most cities, 
publicize them on things like meetup.com and get a community going. Each will 
have it's own goals per city of course.

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Re: [Talk-us] Pre-SOTM-US Gathering

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If anyone wants to hang out downtown I'll be around 415-894-9711.


On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Randal Hale wrote:
> Raging Burrito at 7:00 - I can't make it but it will be good.  Thea and Kate 
> are going there tonight as is a group from Atlanta. You can take MARTA and 
> arrive two blocks from the restaurant. 
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.774155&lon=-84.294741&zoom=18&layers=M
> 
> (it should appear  in the center of the screen)
> 
> 
> On 8/13/2010 1:43 PM, Mike N. wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any plans for a get together at a bar or restaurant tonight in 
>> Atlanta before we kick things off tommorow?  If there aren't yet does anyone 
>> want to make some?
>>  Yes -
>> 
>> http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=62
>>  
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[Talk-us] Colorado OSM meetup on Aug 24th

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More info here

http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/calendar/14338554/

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Re: [Talk-us] Community Involvement

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There are at least two English OSM books out soon that will go a long way to 
fixing things.


On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> From our trips to Haiti we have documents on data collection, editing
> to use of OSM.   They are focused on the Humanitarian tagging scheme
> though.
> 
> Here is the JOSM training manual:
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab5-nI93RBqoZGZxcHcycXRfMzFnaDQzejJmaw&hl=en
> The QGIS/Mapnik one:
> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUeMslP3EFo2ZHJkYnhiNF83ZHpjNXQ2Zno&hl=en
> 
> 
> -Kate
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Hillsman, Edward  
> wrote:
>> I also agree that this would be an excellent idea (I just introduced a class 
>> of about 25 students to OSM last night, and I really would like something 
>> clean and organized to point future classes to). If someone can put together 
>> an outline of such a Beginner's Guide, I'm willing to work on a section of 
>> it, and help reconcile it with other sections as they get written. Richard, 
>> given your experience and obvious thought on the matter, could you maybe 
>> sketch a high-level outline to get us started?
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D.
>> Senior Research Associate
>> Center for Urban Transportation Research
>> University of South Florida
>> 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100
>> Tampa, FL  33620-5375
>> 813-974-2977 (tel)
>> 813-974-5168 (fax)
>> hills...@cutr.usf.edu
>> http://www.cutr.usf.edu
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Richard Fairhurst 
>>> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Community Involvement
>>> Message-ID: <1279732052442-5321954.p...@n2.nabble.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apologies for butting in on your mailing list - thought this one was
>>> sufficiently non-US specific it deserved an answer.
>>> 
>>> Toby Murray wrote:
 Yes, navigation is a pain. The "map features" page is a pretty
 good index of things to map but it often links to proposal or stub
 pages (like the doctors page) that don't give a lot of information
 about "how to map this feature" but rather offer discussions about
 the tag or some OSM jargon that is not really helpful to
 newcomers. The problem is that as one gains more experience
 within OSM those pages DO become somewhat helpful so there
 is little incentive for experienced mappers to change them to
 make it better for new mappers.
>>> 
>>> We desperately need a real OSM Beginners' Guide (rather than the apology
>>> that currently passes for one on the wiki), written by people who care
>>> about
>>> documentation, focusing on the basics, and liberally illustrated with pics
>>> and videos.
>>> 
>>> And I hate to say it, but it shouldn't be open to general public editing -
>>> otherwise you get the situation at the moment where people come along and
>>> add their personal hobby horses every other day, and it degenerates into an
>>> unreadable, sprawling, unfocused mess.
>>> 
>>> It's not just about tag documentation (to a certain extent, better editor
>>> presets are making that less important), but about a general introduction
>>> to
>>> OSM. A DokuWiki install on dev.osm.org, with a small team writing the core
>>> docs, would be a good way to do it. I'd love to have a go (after all, my
>>> day
>>> job is as a writer and editor), but what with Potlatch and all don't have
>>> the time to head up such an initiative. But it would be the single most
>>> useful thing anyone could do for OSM right now.
>>> 
>>> I did suggest to Mr Weait of this parish that he might like to be involved,
>>> as he has a clear track record in writing nice how-tos on his blog. Maybe
>>> we
>>> could get a team together?
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> Richard
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Re: [Talk-us] Participation at SOTM U.S.

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On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> Sorry there haven't been meetings.  We have discussed it some within
> the OSM US board meetings.  I realize this is not very a community and
> should be rectified.  The volunteers in Georgia have a conflict with
> the previous meeting time.

Great to hear things have been happening. I agree - there should be a separate 
meeting, agenda, minutes etc.

There are plenty of people who can help on this list (at least, I'd hope so) if 
you have jobs for them, a regular schedule and a nudge or two.

> I've been handling sponsorship, we will put up a list of sponsors once
> someone actually writes a check.  I have verbal promises from 6 or 7
> groups at the moment.  Would you like to sponsor?  You could be our
> first.

I'm pretty poor.


> -Kate
> 
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:02 PM, SteveC  wrote:
>> The minutes still haven't been updated in 3 months.
>> 
>>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_SOTM
>> 
>> Have there been meetings? Is anyone even in charge of sponsorship?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:53 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> what will the entry fee cost? can we find sponsors to help cover the costs?
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>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Kate Chapman  wrote:
>>> Hey All,
>>> 
>>> We've gotten some great submissions for talks/workshops at SOTM U.S.
>>> We could still use more!
>>> 
>>> Have something you'd like to talk about regarding OSM?  It could be
>>> technical, community related or even an OSM comedy routine.  To
>>> participate go here: http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=2
>>> 
>>> SOTM U.S. is August 14-15 in Atlanta, Georgia.
>>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Participation at SOTM U.S.

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The minutes still haven't been updated in 3 months.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_SOTM

Have there been meetings? Is anyone even in charge of sponsorship?



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> hi, 
> what will the entry fee cost? can we find sponsors to help cover the costs?
> -- 
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> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org 
> flossal.org
> 
> Chat  Google Talk: JamesMikeDuPont  Skype: h4ck3rm1k3  MSN: water_proof
> Contact Me  
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Kate Chapman  wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> We've gotten some great submissions for talks/workshops at SOTM U.S.
> We could still use more!
> 
> Have something you'd like to talk about regarding OSM?  It could be
> technical, community related or even an OSM comedy routine.  To
> participate go here: http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=2
> 
> SOTM U.S. is August 14-15 in Atlanta, Georgia.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

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so just do another FOIA request?


On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Ian Dees wrote:

> I would say that at least 1/3 of the post office drop boxes nationwide have 
> been removed or pulled out of service since this data has been released, 
> making an import of the data both inaccurate (due to geocoding) and old.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Ireson  wrote:
> 
> I was adding a couple local USPS Post Office drop box locations using
> Potlatch when I wondered if there was a public list of locations I could
> upload.  I did find that there was a release of 2005 locations that was
> released under the Freedom of Information Act.  There are 20 Excel files
> ranging from 14,000 to 65,000 lines in length each and it looks like they do
> have all the locations.  I thought it would be a good project for me to
> extract/clean up the data and geocode it for upload (only addresses are
> given in the files) and so would like to first seek feedback from the
> community before proceeding especially with regards to licensing, tagging
> and geocoding.
> 
> 
>  LICENSING: 
> 
> The data comes from here:
> http://www.prc.gov/docs/53/53396/DFC-LR-2-R200-6.exe
> 
> The best information in regards to its release I can find is from here:
> http://66.208.7.72/(S(tgqmwqywriczne55l1bjqtnu))/Docs/53/53359/Testimony_Errata.pdf
> 
> Which is erratum of a Postal Rate Commission Docket, which states
> 
> "In 2002, I submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the
> Postal Service for an electronic copy of pertinent information from the CBMS
> database.  The Postal Service declared that releasing information on
> locations and posted collection times of collection boxes would pose a
> security risk. I filed a lawsuit, and in March 2005, a federal judge ruled
> in my favor and ordered the Postal Service to disclose the data. In
> September 2005, the Postal Service provided"
> (and then is cut off)
> 
> See also here:
> http://www.postalnewsblog.com/2007/10/16/usps-loses-appeal-of-foia-case/
> 
> 
> -Is this compatible licensing?
> 
> -What kind of attribution is required?
> 
> 
>  TAGGING: 
> 
> Included in the released files is the pickup times of the boxes.
> 
> -Should this info be included as a tag?  How?
> 
> -Also, what kind of tag should I use to denote this is a bulk upload of
> locations, or should I just create a dedicated user account for the import?
> 
> -How do I prevent duplicating existing positions already uploaded by users?
> 
> 
>  GEOCODING: 
> 
> -Can anyone recommend a geocoding service (that is, translating an address
> to latitude/longitude) preferably free or very cheap. Only one I've found is
> http://geocoder.us (since I can't use Yahoo's or Google's without using them
> on one of their maps), but I can only send one request per 15 seconds and so
> it will take weeks (since I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars).
> 
> 
> 
> -Additionally, should I also cross post these questions to the 'imports'
> mailing list?
> 
> Cheers and thanks for any and all help,
> ~Kirk Ireson
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Uploading-all-Post-Office-Drop-Box-locations-in-the-US-tp5164668p5164668.html
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[Talk-us] Fwd: Mapping error

[SteveC]

Anyone near Carlsbad, CA? The guy sent me an image too showing where  
the bug is.


Yours &c.

Steve

Begin forwarded message:


From: Gerry Sikora 
Date: May 19, 2010 9:51:11 MDT
To: st...@asklater.com
Subject: Mapping error



Sorry I can't correct an error, but I hoping that you can pass this  
along.


There is a relatively new housing development in Carlsbad  
California.  The open map shows what I believe is a road proposal of  
the developer and not the "as built" map.   Some of the names are  
correct but that's about it.


 33.103939°  -117.299614°







Best regards

Gerry




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Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

[SteveC]

On May 12, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anthony wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> SteveC wrote:
> >> I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been
> >> touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River,
> >> etc... Please respect my wishes and do not undelete these objects.
> >
> > You've released that data CCBYSA, anyone can do what they want with
> > it, under that.
> 
> Steve is right; deleting "your" data from OSM is not different from
> deleting anyone else's data. This is a community after all. So deleting
> "your" data is vandalism just as it would be if someone else deleted
> your data, and such vandalism will usually & rightfully lead to the
> community reverting it.
> 
> What if a new contributor reverts it?  Would the revert then be considered 
> ODBL?

No, it would be both CCBYSA and ODbL. But for all practical purposes, may as 
well just think of it as CCBYSA until the full changeover happens.

> Terribly thought out process.  Terrible idea in the first place.

Thanks for the insight.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

[SteveC]

so it's happening? cool.. can you fill in what's happened with the lack of 
minutes?

On May 12, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> There is a new site at http://www.sotm.us,  I need to switch the DNS of 
> stateofthemap.us to point at it as well.  Thank you for updating the wiki.
> 
> Kate
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 2:16 PM, SteveC  wrote:
> 
>> It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly empty 
>> right now:
>> 
>>   http://stateofthemap.us/
>> 
>> This wasn't even linked from the wiki, I fixed that.
>> 
>> There is a phone call tomorrow which I guess uses the same details that have 
>> been advertised for last month:
>> 
>>   
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Agenda_for_April_29th.2C_2010
>> 
>> The rest of the USA section of the wiki could need some gardening too if 
>> anyone has time:
>> 
>>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States
>> 
>> A good place to start is have a look at your State's page
>> 
>>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:States_in_United_States
>> 
>> It would be good to have all the state pages link to this mailing list up 
>> front. I've done that for CA and CO.
>> 
>> Any other thoughts on making the wiki experience better?
>> 
>> 
>> On May 12, 2010, at 10:43 AM, SteveC wrote:
>> 
>>> Minutes for SOTM US run out in March
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls
>>> 
>>> There aren't any sponsors to speak of?
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship
>>> 
>>> The server is still blank?
>>> 
>>> http://openstreetmap.us/
>>> 
>>> Local chapter minutes run out last month...
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, guys, can we be clear is SOTM US happening or not? There really is very 
>>> little time to turn this around if the state of the wiki is anything close 
>>> to the state of the planning. If the steam has run out, then we can still 
>>> put something together in Denver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yours &c.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

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It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly empty 
right now:

http://stateofthemap.us/

This wasn't even linked from the wiki, I fixed that.

There is a phone call tomorrow which I guess uses the same details that have 
been advertised for last month:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Agenda_for_April_29th.2C_2010

The rest of the USA section of the wiki could need some gardening too if anyone 
has time:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States

A good place to start is have a look at your State's page

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:States_in_United_States

It would be good to have all the state pages link to this mailing list up 
front. I've done that for CA and CO.

Any other thoughts on making the wiki experience better?


On May 12, 2010, at 10:43 AM, SteveC wrote:

> Minutes for SOTM US run out in March
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls
> 
> There aren't any sponsors to speak of?
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship
> 
> The server is still blank?
> 
> http://openstreetmap.us/
> 
> Local chapter minutes run out last month...
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States
> 
> 
> 
> So, guys, can we be clear is SOTM US happening or not? There really is very 
> little time to turn this around if the state of the wiki is anything close to 
> the state of the planning. If the steam has run out, then we can still put 
> something together in Denver.
> 
> 
> Yours &c.
> 
> Steve
> 
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[Talk-us] SOTM USA

[SteveC]

Minutes for SOTM US run out in March

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls

There aren't any sponsors to speak of?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship

The server is still blank?

http://openstreetmap.us/

Local chapter minutes run out last month...

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States



So, guys, can we be clear is SOTM US happening or not? There really is very 
little time to turn this around if the state of the wiki is anything close to 
the state of the planning. If the steam has run out, then we can still put 
something together in Denver.


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Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

[SteveC]

On May 11, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Chris Hunter wrote:

> 
> Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like 
> the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have 
> major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, 
> and feel that I can no longer participate in the OSM project.
> 
> I'm in the process of deleting all of my contributions. I'd like to encourage 
> each of you to do the same, but in the end it depends on your goals for the 
> project.

You're nuts.

> I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I 
> created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect my 
> wishes and do not undelete these objects.

You've released that data CCBYSA, anyone can do what they want with it, under 
that.

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Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

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It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read 
the minutes, and be as involved as you like.

License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has 
been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I 
think it's been now. We've had lawyers checking everything at every step of the 
way. So it's very frustrating for those involved after so much effort to 
finally be able to make one step towards completion, and have people throw 
stones like this.

Because, after all if you do your homework CCBYSA is a total mess for OSM and 
all the LWG is trying to do is fix that mess.

Yours &c.

Steve


On May 11, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Peter Batty wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> I have to say I am confused about your reasoning. In this long list you don't 
> give a single reason why you think that ODbL is worse than CC by SA.
> 
> All your objections are about the process of change. One of your main 
> objections is that there was too much communication and discussion about the 
> reasons for the change, which seems a very strange concern to me.
> 
> You say there was not enough due diligence but the process has been going on 
> well over a year with a massive amount of review and discussion.
> 
> You talk about changing the "fundamental nature of the organization" but I 
> have no idea what you mean by this. ODbL embodies exactly the same principles 
> as CC by SA was intended to, but is much more enforceable. As I said 
> previously, the nature of the organization is all about creating a great free 
> and open map of the world, that certainly has not changed either.
> 
> So again, I'm sorry that you feel this way but I have to say I really don't 
> understand your reasoning.
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On May 11, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Chris Hunter  wrote:
> 
>> I'm basing my decision on the ODbL roadmap 
>> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan), 
>> Why you should vote Yes 
>> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Why_You_Should_Vote_No)
>>  and Why you should vote No 
>> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Why_You_Should_Vote_No)
>>  pages in the WIKI.  
>> 
>> Here are my objections:
>> 
>>  • The OSMF did not do enough due-diligance before voting to adopt the 
>> ODBL.  Discussion was done on an extremely noisy list (talk@) and AFAIK none 
>> of the board ever cross-posted progress reports to the sub-lists.  This is a 
>> classic case of security-by-obscurity. - See Chapter 1 of the Hitchhiker's 
>> Guide to the Galaxy.
>> 
>>  • The change is being done on the say-so of only 132 out of 254 paid 
>> members.  I'm not an expert on Robert's Rules, but don't you need to have to 
>> have a super-majority to change the fundamental nature of an organization?
>> 
>>  • The roadmap as it stood yesterday made it sound like the ODbL is 
>> already passed, and that the OSMF was just dragging its heals about when it 
>> plans on implementing it or notifying anyone.  If this is not correct, I 
>> apologize.
>> 
>>  • Last weekend I did some fairly minor WIKI updates and noticed several 
>> slippymaps were rendering with a reference to something called the 
>> "Openstreetmap License."  Between the updated slippymaps and Firefishy's 
>> original edit, it sounded like the OSMF had finally gotten around to making 
>> the contributor license mandatory.
>> 
>> 4.a My current job is time consuming and has a draconian Internet access 
>> policy.  I may well have become a victim of FUD, but I can only read my 
>> email on my phone, and I simply don't have time to read the talk@ group's 5+ 
>> daily digests.  See points 1 and 3.
>> 
>>  • The OSMF's actions have made me feel disenfranchised on several 
>> occasions.  My biggest sources of frustration are the original Local Chapter 
>> agreement, and the ODBL adoption vote that was taken on 27-Dec-2009 
>> (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-December/000753.html).
>> 
>>  • To answer Serge's PMs, yes, this is a low blow, but my experiences on 
>> points 3 and 4 made me feel like there was no other choice.  If I can 
>> stretch your metaphor a bit, it was looking like the jack-boots were on the 
>> doorstep, so a kick to the groin seemed like the best defense.
>> What did you find objectionable?  Maybe I'll be turned off by it too.
>> 
>> I'm not speaking for Chris, but I'm of the opinion that the OSM Foundation 
>> did not perform due diligence in getting the approval (or at least the 
>> opinion) of the overall contributors to the database. I think I understand 
>> that the OSMF's opinion is that the license change is needed in order to 
>> have a legal framework to operate internationally, but I don't think it's 
>> appropriate to only ask the ~300 members of OSMF for approval.
>> 
>> Please take this with a grain of salt though, as I think the current change 
>> only applies to n

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thea Clay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the
>>> domain openstreetmap.us (
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That
>>> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging
>>> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other
>>> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the
>>> local community themselves.
>>> 
>>> I think all we are missing are people to help design and populate the
>>> site. Is anyone interested in teaming up to get this done?
>>> 
>> 
>> Steve pointed the domain to the servers a few weeks ago and Apache is
>> sitting ready to go. If anyone has any ideas we can get something going
>> fairly quickly. I'd be happy to help on the technical side if someone is
>> willing to work on the design/content side.
> 
> Any objection to Canadian use, or must every community reinvent this wheel?

with the .us suffix put off people in CA though Richard?

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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

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On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 4/30/10 12:50 PM, Thea Clay wrote:
>> 
>> Personally I agree with Ian’s idea. I would love to see an OSM-US site like 
>> the one in Germany ( http://www.openstreetmap.de/) that would have city 
>> level pages similar to MappingDC. If I remember correctly we have donated 
>> servers re Ian and SteveC has the domain openstreetmap.us ( 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That 
>> way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging 
>> centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other 
>> mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the 
>> local community themselves.
> openstreetmap.us is currently pointed at the donated servers, which Ian has 
> set up,
> but there is no main web page configured right this minute. apache is there, 
> it works,
> but the only web page there is a default "it works" page.
> 
> i think it's up to us (the board of OSM US) to jump start such usage.

I disagree, the board should get out of the way and let anyone who wants to 
help JFDI. That's what we do at OSMF, or at least try to do.

> 
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

there's also the OSM calendar on the wiki, which has an RSS feed.


On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Ian Dees wrote:

> Keep in mind that we have openstreetmap.us and a couple servers sitting 
> around waiting for a use. Perhaps we could set up a similar thing for the 
> US-based meetups and events? Or maybe we just need a shared Google Calendar...
> 
> upcoming and meetup both already have communities around them, though...
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jim McAndrew  wrote:
> Who is paying for these meetup.com groups?
> I met with someone at Where 2.0 from meetup.com  mentioned that OSM uses the 
> site for some meetups, but it's hard because they charge $12/mo.  There may 
> be a way to get these groups "sponsored" by meetup.com, so that OSM mappers 
> aren't footing the bill for the groups.  There's also Yahoo!'s upcoming.com 
> which is just free in general.
> 
> --
> Jim McAndrew
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Christopher Covington  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 13:59 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
> > Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
> > for local US OSM meetings?
> >
> > http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
> > http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
> > http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
> >
> > Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add
> > "OpenStreetMap" as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area
> > OSM waiting list will be able to find them.
> 
> While it's generally handy to have listings on multiple websites, what's
> the special importance of having OpenStreetMap groups listed on this
> particular paid service?
> 
> -Chris C.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

[SteveC]

We've run a few ad hoc events in Denver off facebook because it's free.


On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

> Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
> for local US OSM meetings?
> 
> http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
> http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
> 
> Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add
> "OpenStreetMap" as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area
> OSM waiting list will be able to find them.
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Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

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FYI I am in cooperstown speaking at a thing next month, getting there via 
Albany.


On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 4/28/10 1:59 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
>> Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses
>> for local US OSM meetings?
>> 
>> http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/
>> http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/
>> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/
>> 
> i'm planning on doing something in the Albany, NY area once i see a few
> more active mappers in the area.
> 
> richard
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Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map U.S. Website

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odesk.com or 99designs ?

On Apr 12, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> Would anyone like to help stylize the SOTM U.S. Website?  We have a
> logo and just need some help pulling it together and making it look a
> bit more professional.
> 
> Most of us working on it are backend developer types or sys admins,
> not so good at the making things look pretty.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kate
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-newbies] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

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On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:29 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:49 AM, James Ewen  wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
>> 
>>>  So that is the project of the week for 28 March,
>>> 2010, check your favorite bit of coastline and improve what you can
>>> with overhead imagery.
>> 
>> Always willing to do my part... I've got all of the marine coastlines
>> of the province of Alberta and Saskatchewan perfect!
>> 
>> Yeah, yeah... I'll go look for a bit of the BC coastline to play
>> with... sheesh!!!
> 
> I knew I could count on you, James!  For those of you unfamiliar with
> Canadian provincial geography, Alberta and Saskatchewan are
> landlocked.  And full of smarty-pantses.  :-)

I just finished Colorado!

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Re: [Talk-us] CA: Mapping Party this weekend & suggestion for draft foundation comments

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On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Sarah Manley wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> Just a reminder (esp to anyone who may be coming in early for where 2.0), 
> there is a mapping party this 
> weekend:http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/calendar/12726887/
> 
> 
> Can I request that comments to the foundation draft rules also be placed on 
> that wiki's talk page. Anyone who is not on this list (or who can not read 
> the frequent emails), misses out on the discussion. 

This directly contradicts what Kate told us to do... so which one is it?

We now have three ways of communicating with OSMF-US and it feels like every 
time you use one of them, it turns out actually you had to use one of the 
others. I have a strange feeling that if I add feedback to the wiki the only 
way I'll get any response is... to be on the phone call.

Can't you guys, like the working groups for OSMF, take input and respond in 
kind from any medium?

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Re: [Talk-us] Bylaws for OpenStreetMap US Chapter

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On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:
> All good comments.  The one I did want to address

Thanks.. but how are the other ones going to be addressed then??

> is the incorporating
> in the District instead of Delaware for example.  The reason everyone
> incorporates in Delaware partially for tax advantage, since we plan to
> obtain tax exempt status we do not have that advantage.  It is common
> for non-profits to incorporate in D.C. since there are so many
> non-profits here they make it easy to do.

Fair enough.

> Also the official text for the OSMF would be great so we do things properly.

This should cover it:

"OpenStreetMap Foundation Ltd, a company incorporated by the registrar of 
companies for England and Wales on August 22nd, 2006 as a company limited by 
guarantee with company number 5912761"

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Re: [Talk-us] Going to Where 2.0 and Want to Work the Booth?

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the SF guys have mapping parties all the time and a weekday afternoon is not 
going to go well for attendance

On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> The thought was if we did have a mapping party it wouldn't be aimed at
> the WhereCamp/Where 2.0 attendees but rather at people in the area.
> This of course is if there is interest.
> 
> -Kate
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:47 AM, SteveC  wrote:
>> we've done it before at wherecamp over lunch, makes much more sense then 
>> than friday when everyone wants to just go home or drink beer
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Kate Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> There has been some discussion about having a mapping party the Friday
>>> after Where 2.0.
>>> 
>>> Also I'm not sure, but I think Steve might have proposed a BoF session.  
>>> Steve?
>>> 
>>> -Kate
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Apollinaris Schoell  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kate,
>>>> 
>>>> Will be in the area but can't make time during the day. Any plans for 
>>>> evening events?
>>>> 
>>>> Apollinaris
>>>> 
>>>> On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:32 , Kate Chapman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you attending Where 2.0 and want to work the booth?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I put up a wiki page for people to sign up for slots.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Where2.0/2010
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kate
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Bylaws for OpenStreetMap US Chapter

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On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> We would like to incorporate the US Chapter soon and have bylaws up.
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Draft_Rules
> 
> Could everyone check them out and provide feedback to me or on the
> wiki in the next week (by midnight March 31st)?

Looks good. Some questions:

* Why incorporate in Washington rather than Delaware? Washington would seem to 
severely bias any conflict in favor of the people living there.

* 4-9 board members seems loose. Why not define it?

* "The Board shall meet at least four (4) times per year, and attend special 
meetings called by the President." 4 a year seems very, very over the top *if* 
this means in-person meetings. Meetings should be roughly monthly with one 
in-person meeting if for no other reason than OSMF-US shouldn't just be paying 
for board members to fly around. It later says "A Director may participate in a 
meeting of such board by means of a conference telephone or online, by means of 
which all persons participating in the meeting can communicate with each other 
at the same time."  I suggest this is further defined as 1 meeting a month 
and 1 in-person a year (to coincide with a yearly report and election I suggest)

* "The term for each seat on the second Board (and each subsequent Board) shall 
be one (1) year." - it can be very useful to ensure overlap & continuity by 
having some method to retain one or more board seats for more than a year. This 
helps if you get a totally new board and they have no idea what to do, and the 
old board aren't super communicative. There are different ways of doing it. 
Might be something to think about.

* "1. The Board of Directors shall elect from among its members a President. 
The Board of Directors shall also elect a Secretary and Treasurer, who do not 
need to be Directors. The Board of Directors may also elect individuals to 
substitute in the absence of certain officers or to assist them (such as a Vice 
President position), or to create other officer positions with specific duties 
(such as a Press Officer position), subject to its discretion; these officers 
also do not need to be Directors. With the exception of the Secretary and the 
Treasurer, no one person can hold two officer positions listed here at the same 
time. The Board of Directors may also create officer positions to be directly 
elected by the Chapter membership or classes thereof, especially delegate-type 
officer positions for establishing representation of the Chapter in broader 
forums." - this feels super, super broad. You can basically do what you want. 
I'd far prefer if officers *were* board members. The above would seem to mean 
you can set up anyone you like to represent OSMF-US.

* re-define "President" to "Chairman" would bring it in to line with the other 
foundations a-la OSMF itself

* "The Chapter shall hold meetings only in places that are open and accessible 
to members of the Chapter. Meetings shall be held as planned by the Board of 
Directors or any other committee duly designated or organized for such 
purpose." - would imply you need to publish the dial in details etc? make that 
explicit? eg the following clauses which say 4 a year etc... up that to 12.

* "In case of dissolution of the Chapter all assets will be transfered to the 
OpenStreetMap Foundation." - may as well define that properly, OSMF Ltd and the 
company number, registered in England and Wales etc. I can get you the text if 
needed, otherwise anyone could set one up and call it that.



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> 
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Re: [Talk-us] New car dealer uses OSM in TV spot

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awesome let us know when it's up!

On Mar 24, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Alex S. wrote:

> I am watching a re-run tv show, and mere minutes ago saw an ad for a 
> local new car dealership - they are touting their location in this one, 
> and used imagery from OSM mapnik in their spot.  They made a few minor 
> graphical tweaks, but otherwise left the imagery exactly as rendered.
> 
> They usually post their spots to youtube, but this one isn't up yet.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Going to Where 2.0 and Want to Work the Booth?

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we've done it before at wherecamp over lunch, makes much more sense then than 
friday when everyone wants to just go home or drink beer

On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Kate Chapman wrote:

> There has been some discussion about having a mapping party the Friday
> after Where 2.0.
> 
> Also I'm not sure, but I think Steve might have proposed a BoF session.  
> Steve?
> 
> -Kate
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Apollinaris Schoell  
> wrote:
>> Hi Kate,
>> 
>> Will be in the area but can't make time during the day. Any plans for 
>> evening events?
>> 
>> Apollinaris
>> 
>> On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:32 , Kate Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey All,
>>> 
>>> Are you attending Where 2.0 and want to work the booth?
>>> 
>>> I put up a wiki page for people to sign up for slots.
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Where2.0/2010
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Kate
>>> 
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> 

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[Talk-us] Fwd: Invitation to the Flourish 2010: Mini Exposition

[SteveC]

Anyone near Chicago that can help?

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Aisha Halim 
> Date: March 11, 2010 2:29:42 PM GMT
> To: SteveC 
> Subject: Re: Invitation to the Flourish 2010: Mini Exposition
> 
> Oh I'm sorry-- sure, anyone local around Chicago, IL who could make it?
> Thanks alot,
> Aisha
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 17:28, SteveC  wrote:
> hi I don't think I can make this, am in the wrong country
> 
> can I pass it on to others who might be able to run one?
> 
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Aisha Halim wrote:
> 
> > Dear Steve Coast,
> >
> > We understand that OpenStreetMap has been involved with the Flourish 
> > Conference since last year. We'd be delighted if you could again be 
> > involved in our mini exposition this year. Since your company has been 
> > involved in bringing us the latest and greatest open source based products, 
> > we saw OpenStreetMap a great fit for Flourish 2010's mini expo, an event 
> > that will be part of Chicago's fourth annual opensource conference, hosted 
> > by UIC-ACM and the Chicago LUG. This conference, as you have well seen last 
> > year, will attract many enthusiasts, educators, professionals, students, 
> > and entrepeneurs in the Chicago community to get inspired and engaged 
> > within the larger sphere of the open source community. This is why we'd be 
> > really excited to see OpenStreetMap as a part of the mini-expo again, to 
> > disseminate its involvement with open source technologies.
> >
> > We can reserve a mini-expo table for you at Flourish 2010 at no cost to 
> > represent OpenStreetMaps at the conference.
> >
> > Flourish is a bit earlier this year than in prior years.  Flourish 
> > Conference 2010 will be held on Friday, March 19th and Saturday, March 
> > 20th.  As usual, the event will be held at  the University of Illinois at 
> > Chicago.  In addition to the mini-expo, this year's Flourish will host 
> > excellent, open source related talks and workshops and a coding sprint.  
> > More information can be found on our website: http://www.flourishconf.com/.
> >
> > Reservations for a mini-expo table require a minimal sponsorship of $150.  
> > With that, you also get your company's logo displayed on nearly every page 
> > of the Flourish 2010 website.  More generous sponsorships are rewarded with 
> > increased recognition.  More information can be found on the sponsorship 
> > page of our website:
> > http://www.flourishconf.com/sponsorship/.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.  I hope that I will see you again at Flourish 
> > Conference 2010.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Aisha Halim
> >
> 
> Yours &c.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 

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Re: [Talk-us] US Local Chapter Temporary Board Update

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Congrats to all who made it in and everyone else too for all the efforts made.

On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Kate Chapman wrote:
> Hi U.S. Mappers,
> 
> Since the election of the temporary OSM U.S. Chapter board we have
> chosen positions, which are as follows:
> 
> President: Kate Chapman
> Vice President: Serge Wroclawski
> Secretary: Rich Welty
> Treasurer: Thea Clay
> Member At Large: Steven Johnson
> 
> The regularly scheduled U.S. Chapter call will take place at 8pm EST
> this Thursday. You will find the call in details here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States
> 
> Since the next couple months will be primarily spent organizing the
> incorporation paper work and other logistics, we feel there is no
> longer a need to hold weekly chapter meetings. What is your (the U.S.
> Community) preference on holding future US Chapter chapter calls? And
> are there any objections to holding the calls twice a month?
> 
> The US SOTM calls will continue to occur every Thursday at 8:30 PM
> EST. You can find the call in information here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM
> 
> There is now a page in the wiki for brainstorming ideas for the U.S.
> focused efforts
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/Ideas.
> The main goal of the U.S. Chapter isn't to incorporate it is to make a
> great map.  The idea behind brainstorming is to see if there are ideas
> people have not related to the incorporation that they'd like to start
> working on (i.e. training/outreach/media).
> 
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[Talk-us] UX Review

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Dear all

One of the clear pieces of feedback from all the talk about improving the OSM 
UX was "show us these users who really find it difficult to use OSM". So, we're 
going to do that. We have a rough plan of action below

Nate Bolt of the splendiferous boltpeters.com has volunteered to help OSM with 
a user interaction review. Nate, as part of Bolt | Peters, did exactly this 
work with wikipedia:

http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability_and_Experience_Study

Where they basically screen recorded people trying to edit in wikipedia with 
the following goals:

• identify obstacles that novice users encounter in editing a Wikipedia 
article—including, but not limited to—adding personal content, fixing a typo, 
adding a reference, and contributing to discussion pages
• identify obstacles in creating a new article
• evaluate the self-sufficiency and legibility of help materials and documents 
found on Wikipedia.org
• evaluate how novice users interact with templates
• discover user experience patterns and issues that have not been previously 
identified.

Together with Mike Migurski, famed geohead, creator of walking papers and 
graphical butterfly at Stamen.com, we've come up with a rough plan to get 
feedback from new users to OSM. It's a very similar approach to that taken by 
Bolt | Peters with wikipedia. We want to find out from the real newbies what 
the issues are and lay them out clearly. Nate is independent of OSM and will be 
able to present a cold hard look at what's good and what we need to work on to 
improve things so we get more newbies contributing.

* A small piece of javascript from ethnio.com is put on the new user page in 
openstreetmap
* Once in some very small sample size (perhaps between 1 in 1,000 and 1 in 
10,000 signups) a popup appears
* The popup says something like "Hi! We'd really like to know why you came to 
OSM" and they say simply why. This is open ended on purpose so we catch as many 
things as we can, not just what we're looking for, but things we won't expect.
* They're offered to record a short (10 minute max) screencast of them trying 
to achieve whatever it is (like look at a map, find OSMers, add a PoI and so on)
* That screencast is analyzed in aggregate with many others by Bolt | Peters 
with all their expertise in doing this stuff, and they come back with a  set of 
findings.

We're looking at both http://www.usertesting.com/ and 
http://www.openhallway.com/ to do the recording. Both Mike and I will pay for 
it, and might solicit donations and stuff if it looks beyond our budget.

I can't say this enough, and I always get responses from people who think that 
I just set something out in stone - so I'll be super super super clear: NONE OF 
THIS IS SET IN STONE. We need your feedback on everything before we go ahead. I 
mean _everything_. So, please tell us what you think about it all. Here are 
some questions:

What should our goals be? (General UX? How good/bad signup is? How good/bad 
editing is? How is it finding info?)
How often should we ask a signup for feedback? (the more the better but we can 
only look at so many)
How can we include more crowd source feedback? (I think of asking random 
signups for feedback as crowdsourcing it)
What else should we think about?

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Re: [Talk-us] meeting minutes, March 4th 2010 conference call

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I think so - better than the extra click.

We should do this in OSMF too, I don't think we do... Mike?

Yours &c.

Steve



On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 3/4/10 10:37 PM, SteveC wrote:
>> can't you just copy it in to your email? Not a lot of text after all.
>>   
> well,  yes, i can. if that's preferred in the future i can certainly do that.
> 
> richard
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] meeting minutes, March 4th 2010 conference call

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can't you just copy it in to your email? Not a lot of text after all.

On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

> the minutes for tonight's conference call may be found here on google docs:
> 
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc9fx534_2fk694xc3
> 
> richard
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Re: [Talk-us] osm sign in los angeles

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yeah it was one I had that CM paid for, it's seen better times but still 
servicable just about

I'll bring another one for Where 2.0 plus a table cloth with the logo on it and 
pins and pens, undoubtedly the DC folks have other plans too?


On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:

> I'll bet it could be re-used at the OSM booth at the Where2.0 conference, no?
> 
> SEJ
> 
> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands from beans." -Empedocles
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 22:10, Blars Blarson 
>  wrote:
> After SCALE, I wound up with the OSM sign.  About 2 feet wide and 5
> feet high when deployed, retracts into its stand.  I fixed the zipper
> on its bag.  Does anyone want it for use at OSM events?
> 
> --
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> 
> With Microsoft, failure is not an option.  It is a standard feature.
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Re: [Talk-us] splitting OpenPisteMaps Wiki page?

[SteveC]

Grant can you help, you're a wiki admin right?

Yours &c.

Steve

On Mar 3, 2010, at 18:42, dion_d...@comcast.net wrote:

I've tried twice to add the Cascade Range to OpenPisteMaps wiki, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Piste_Maps 
.  Both times the save didn't work.  The amount of data is over 50K  
and per the guidelines should be split...but I can't find any  
information on how to create a new page.  How do I accomplish either?


thanks,
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Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

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On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:53 AM, SteveC wrote:

> If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, can the moderators at least 
> post to the list when you decide something is not allowable on your 
> arbitrary(?) scale of bad speech, and why? Then we all have transparency.

/me waits to see if I get moderated for 'disagreeing with Serge' :-) :-) :-)

> 
> Yours &c.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Dave Hansen  wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>>> Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>>>>> Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out
>>>>> of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post
>>>>> and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of
>>>>> the reins a bit
>>>> 
>>>> Ok. I would like to be part of a professional OSM mailing list but not
>>>> one that is moderated. I guess I'll just ask for a second, unmoderated
>>>> list to be created ;-)
>>> 
>>> If things ever got severely out of control on talk-us, I think I'd be OK
>>> with switching the moderation bit on.
>> 
>> Several people specifically asked me for a fully moderated list.
>> 
>> Full moderation is all messages, all the time.
>> 
>> I don't think that's either feasible or necessary. People can
>> generally behave like adults.
>> 
>> At the same time, knowing this request and the reason for it, I
>> understood their concerns and wanted to let them know that this list,
>> unlike t...@openstreetmaup, would be monitored for behavior And if
>> something happens, there's the understanding that the list is
>> moderated and so no one feels bad if all messages are moderated while
>> things get sorted out.
>> 
>> The alternatives appeal to me far less:
>> 
>> 1) We don't say anything. We say "This is a new list" and then there
>> are arbitrary decisions about moderation, or kicking people off.  I
>> don't think this is a friendly way to run a community.
>> 
>> 2) We fully moderate the list, all the time. That's no good.. It just
>> makes communication stilted. Even though it's what I was asked for,
>> it's too burdensome.
>> 
>> 3) We don't do any moderation.  Well, we have a list like this already
>> and it's been a problem for us, keeping us from making meaningful
>> connections with other communities. Governments and child-friendly
>> non-profits want some assurance that a list will be "safe", so this is
>> what I'm trying to do.
>> 
>> Nothing I do is going to satisfy everyone's requirements, but this
>> list isn't about the existing OSM community as much as a new group of
>> folks who want to be gently introduced to the project.  Working with
>> these people is valuable and the they've told me they need a safe
>> forum. The list already brought in a large number of people and we're
>> going to bring in various individuals and groups now, so as far as I'm
>> concerned, it's been good... and nothing is going to be perfect at
>> first either... so there's plenty of opportunity to learn.
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

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If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, can the moderators at least 
post to the list when you decide something is not allowable on your 
arbitrary(?) scale of bad speech, and why? Then we all have transparency.

Yours &c.

Steve


On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Dave Hansen  wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>> Serge Wroclawski wrote:
 Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out
 of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post
 and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of
 the reins a bit
>>> 
>>> Ok. I would like to be part of a professional OSM mailing list but not
>>> one that is moderated. I guess I'll just ask for a second, unmoderated
>>> list to be created ;-)
>> 
>> If things ever got severely out of control on talk-us, I think I'd be OK
>> with switching the moderation bit on.
> 
> Several people specifically asked me for a fully moderated list.
> 
> Full moderation is all messages, all the time.
> 
> I don't think that's either feasible or necessary. People can
> generally behave like adults.
> 
> At the same time, knowing this request and the reason for it, I
> understood their concerns and wanted to let them know that this list,
> unlike t...@openstreetmaup, would be monitored for behavior And if
> something happens, there's the understanding that the list is
> moderated and so no one feels bad if all messages are moderated while
> things get sorted out.
> 
> The alternatives appeal to me far less:
> 
> 1) We don't say anything. We say "This is a new list" and then there
> are arbitrary decisions about moderation, or kicking people off.  I
> don't think this is a friendly way to run a community.
> 
> 2) We fully moderate the list, all the time. That's no good.. It just
> makes communication stilted. Even though it's what I was asked for,
> it's too burdensome.
> 
> 3) We don't do any moderation.  Well, we have a list like this already
> and it's been a problem for us, keeping us from making meaningful
> connections with other communities. Governments and child-friendly
> non-profits want some assurance that a list will be "safe", so this is
> what I'm trying to do.
> 
> Nothing I do is going to satisfy everyone's requirements, but this
> list isn't about the existing OSM community as much as a new group of
> folks who want to be gently introduced to the project.  Working with
> these people is valuable and the they've told me they need a safe
> forum. The list already brought in a large number of people and we're
> going to bring in various individuals and groups now, so as far as I'm
> concerned, it's been good... and nothing is going to be perfect at
> first either... so there's plenty of opportunity to learn.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

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On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>> Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out
>> of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post
>> and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of
>> the reins a bit
> 
> Ok. I would like to be part of a professional OSM mailing list but not 
> one that is moderated. I guess I'll just ask for a second, unmoderated 
> list to be created ;-)

+1

Moderation and control aren't really tenets of OSM.

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Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

[SteveC]

Good point - I should have caught this in the '[Talk-us] Feburary 4th Minutes 
and Election Update' email. Too many fricking emails.

I'm cool that kate is also overseeing

Good luck all!

On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Thanks for the interest in the US Local Chapter and expressing your
> concern about the elections. Let me see if I can address your concerns
> in this mail.
> 
> The working group that is working to create the United States local
> chapter has made a lot of progress, but to go any further, it needs to
> incorporate as a legal entity. Doing that requires a board of
> directors. The working group (the group that meets on the call)
> decided that the most fair way to do this was to hold an informal
> election. It's an informal election because there aren't any true
> members yet, so the criteria by which someone was able to vote had to
> be chosen. It's also not a secret ballot. SurveyMonkey was chosen
> because it served our needs.
> 
> Originally, Kate, who was leading the calls, was going to run the
> election, but since she's been unavailable for the last month (due to
> the crisis in Haiti), I've been running the calls, acting as
> secretary, and running the election. Kate is also overseeing the
> election, which is why all nominees had to contact both myself and
> Kate, and Kate will oversee the results on SurveyMonkey along with me.
> 
> Circling back, we've discussed the voting procedure on the calls. It's
> been a major area for discussion: ensuring that the new organization
> is created in a way that's fair and transparent. We've discussed
> voting mechanisms, schemes, the length of time we'd give people to
> vote, etc. Each issue was discussed until there was unanimous consent
> in how we'd proceed. If even one person had any question, or
> objection- we didn't move forward.
> 
> In addition to discussions within the working group, we've announced
> the election process on the talk-us list several times, and I've been
> sending out regular notifications about the election process for the
> last several weeks in order to let folks know where the working group
> was at, what it was planning, and to solicit feedback from the larger
> community. We've also been increasing the amount of communication the
> working group has had with the larger community in order to try to
> bring more parties onto the call.
> 
> This is the election process that's been selected for this first
> board. Once there is an actual organization, it will open up
> membership and a board can be elected by the members.
> 
> We've done our best to make the process as fair and as transparent as
> we could. Again, Kate is overseeing the election along with me. That
> reduces the chances that one of us could taint the election.
> 
> If that doesn't satisfy your concerns, the other option available to
> us would be to release the votes once they're collected. I don't know
> how I feel about this. On the one hand, it increases transparency (and
> people could do their own tallies), but on the other, someone may not
> want their votes out for all to see. This issue would need to be
> discussed during the next working group call, this Thursday at 8pm
> EST/5pm PST.
> 
> Lastly, I want to re-emphasize that this election is for the board
> that will serve temporarily, and that there will be a true election
> later this year.
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

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On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 2/15/10 3:45 PM, SteveC wrote:
>> On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
>>   
>>> On 2/15/10 3:27 PM, SteveC wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
>>>>  
>>> keep in mind that this is for a 6 month term, there is the opportunity to 
>>> put fixes
>>> into the bylaws and throw out the winners of this round in a half a year. 
>>> if it's not
>>> transparent enough for this round, it can be addressed.
>>> 
>> I find it pretty disturbing you're advocating not being transparent.
>>   
> i'm not really advocating that. but the process is launched, and the only 
> other option is to
> discard it and do it over from scratch.

It is...? I thought someone said the site used had features for that? It's not 
hard to give someone else access to the account or whatever?


>> I'm all for being pragmatic and getting things started, but it's not much at 
>> all to ask someone independent verify the votes is it?
>>   
> maybe we should have. i''m not sure how to do that at this point without 
> discarding
> and starting over.
> 
> richard

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Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

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On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
> On 2/15/10 3:27 PM, SteveC wrote:
>> On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> On 2/15/10 3:13 PM, SteveC wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Guys all the SOTM votes are run by independent parties with additional 
>>>> independent verification, you doing any of that here? It's a bias for one 
>>>> of the people on the ballot sheet to be emailing asking for the your 5 
>>>> votes.
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>> it is my  understanding that survey monkey (the tool being used) has good
>>> controls for this sort of thing. additionally, i think that Serge is quite 
>>> ethical
>>> and as good a choice as any to oversee this.
>>> 
>> I didn't say he wasn't, but I can tell you from evolving the OSMF that you 
>> have to be transparent about everything.
>>   
> keep in mind that this is for a 6 month term, there is the opportunity to put 
> fixes
> into the bylaws and throw out the winners of this round in a half a year. if 
> it's not
> transparent enough for this round, it can be addressed.

I find it pretty disturbing you're advocating not being transparent.

I'm all for being pragmatic and getting things started, but it's not much at 
all to ask someone independent verify the votes is it?

> i would urge everyone who has concerns to participate in the weekly 
> conference call.
> win or lose, i'll be continuing to call in regularly.

You shouldn't limit peoples participation based on whether they can make a 
phone call or not. That makes anyone with a reasonable point on the mailing 
list a second class citizen, when you're supposed to be encouraging 
participation as widely as you can.

Basically, if it's going to be successful growing the OSMF-US is going to be a 
painful and long process and you can skip a lot of it if you learn from the 
mistakes we made at OSMF... or you can just think you're right and repeat it 
all, some people only learn by doing, not by watching or listening. You're 
setting the tone here for the direction it's going, and I'm telling you that 
starting off with the attitude that people have to be on your phone call and 
you guys do what you like with respect to transparency is the wrong move.

So, please reconsider your position.

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Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

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On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 2/15/10 3:13 PM, SteveC wrote:
>> Guys all the SOTM votes are run by independent parties with additional 
>> independent verification, you doing any of that here? It's a bias for one of 
>> the people on the ballot sheet to be emailing asking for the your 5 votes.
>>   
> it is my  understanding that survey monkey (the tool being used) has good
> controls for this sort of thing. additionally, i think that Serge is quite 
> ethical
> and as good a choice as any to oversee this.

I didn't say he wasn't, but I can tell you from evolving the OSMF that you have 
to be transparent about everything.

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Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

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Guys all the SOTM votes are run by independent parties with additional 
independent verification, you doing any of that here? It's a bias for one of 
the people on the ballot sheet to be emailing asking for the your 5 votes.
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[Talk-us] SCALE OpenStreetMap booth in LA next weekend

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Hi

Want to help promote OSM and happen to live in or be in LA?

We have a booth at SCALE

http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/

Weekend 20/21 Feb.

For helping, you get a warm fizzy feeling and entry to the conference and 
tshirts and stuff.

Ping me if you can help out.

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[Talk-us] Conflicts of Interest

[SteveC]

Hi

One of the things we found at the OSMF is that you really need to be open about 
any potential conflicts of interest, like where you work or if you hold shares 
in TeleAtlas... that kind of thing. Anything a reasonable outsider could 
conclude is a potential conflict.

I think that for your own good so it's not a surprise to people, all those 
running for the board of OSMF-US should be upfront about it. I don't think 
there's any shame in it, but I can tell you from experience that people get 
very upset if you're not clear about everything from day 1.

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Re: [Talk-us] NHD accuracy on ski slopes (Winter Park, CO)

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Turns out I was wrong, they do flow in the summer. Fixed it all.

On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:45 AM, SteveC wrote:

> Yeah they're 46006, which is wrong. So looks like I can kill them after 
> triple checking with a local.
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, SteveC  wrote:
>> How accurate is NHD data?
>> 
>> I have a lot of streams going approximately down ski runs in CO here:
>> 
>>   http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.8671&lon=-105.7518&zoom=14
>> 
>> (yes the ski runs need mapping too)
>> 
>> There's no streams for many of those there in winter. I'm pretty sure summer 
>> is the same but I will check with people who know the area well.
>> 
>> Take a look at the nhd:fcode. If the fcode is 46006, then it should exist 
>> year-round (perennial), if it's 46003, it should be marked as intermittent 
>> (i.e. it might not exist in winter).
>> 
>> 
>> If it turns out they don't exist, is it safe to kill them or might they 
>> actually be underground rivers now? And, does NHD know about underground 
>> rivers, and what should they be tagged if so?
>> 
>> NHD does know about underground pipelines, but underground rivers don't have 
>> an fcode.
>> 
> 
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> 
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[Talk-us] OSM Denver, Colorado meetup on the Feb 17th

[SteveC]

Please come along for maps & beer on the 17th Feb in downtown Denver:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=298908063498

Feel free to pass along to your mapping friends.

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Re: [Talk-us] NHD accuracy on ski slopes (Winter Park, CO)

[SteveC]

Yeah they're 46006, which is wrong. So looks like I can kill them after triple 
checking with a local.


On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, SteveC  wrote:
> How accurate is NHD data?
> 
> I have a lot of streams going approximately down ski runs in CO here:
> 
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.8671&lon=-105.7518&zoom=14
> 
> (yes the ski runs need mapping too)
> 
> There's no streams for many of those there in winter. I'm pretty sure summer 
> is the same but I will check with people who know the area well.
> 
> Take a look at the nhd:fcode. If the fcode is 46006, then it should exist 
> year-round (perennial), if it's 46003, it should be marked as intermittent 
> (i.e. it might not exist in winter).
>  
> 
> If it turns out they don't exist, is it safe to kill them or might they 
> actually be underground rivers now? And, does NHD know about underground 
> rivers, and what should they be tagged if so?
> 
> NHD does know about underground pipelines, but underground rivers don't have 
> an fcode.
>  

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[Talk-us] NHD accuracy on ski slopes (Winter Park, CO)

[SteveC]

How accurate is NHD data?

I have a lot of streams going approximately down ski runs in CO here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.8671&lon=-105.7518&zoom=14

(yes the ski runs need mapping too)

There's no streams for many of those there in winter. I'm pretty sure summer is 
the same but I will check with people who know the area well.

If it turns out they don't exist, is it safe to kill them or might they 
actually be underground rivers now? And, does NHD know about underground 
rivers, and what should they be tagged if so?

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Re: [Talk-us] hyrdography imports

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On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Mike N. wrote:

>> any way the importer can
>> 
>> a) go back and fix all the millions of duplicated nodes
>> 
>> b) not do it in future?
> 
>  I'm working on both points -
> 
> a) Happens in several cases:
>  1. At the joining of streams to waterbodies.  The duplicate happens 
> because data comes from 2 separate sources (Flowlines and Waterbodies / 
> Areas).   There needs to be a higher level view to combine them.  The number 
> of duplicates is relatively small.
>  2. NHD features are placed into multiple NHD 'sub-basin extracts'. 
> Those could be eliminated at OSM conversion time if the conversion scripts 
> were to have access to all features previously imported.   This can result 
> in many duplicates.
>   3.  Adjoining area types from NHD do not share nodes, but should.   I was 
> able to cobble together a manual Perl script to fix this up as features are 
> imported, but it's not a good general solution.

is this covered - it seems to happen at every single stream intersection?

> b.)  All current scripts I know of require significant rework, short of 
> importing the NHD into a local GEO database, then exporting it to remove 
> duplicate nodes.
> 
> 
> Should we halt all US Hydro import work until this is resolved?

personally I think so, I'm fixing stuff in CO just to get a feel for it

> 
> 
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[Talk-us] hyrdography imports

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any way the importer can

a) go back and fix all the millions of duplicated nodes

b) not do it in future? 

:-)

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Re: [Talk-us] Incorrect Summit Elevations - Colorado

[SteveC]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Mike Thompson wrote:

> It appears that there is a systematic error in the summit elevations
> in OSM, at least in Colorado.

Well I was given a map, a guide book and a diary for xmas all for climbing 
every 14er, so... I can go fix those :-)

Talking about CO it's this weeks project of the week to help map Denver 
buildings:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week


>  For example, Longs Peak is listed in
> OSM as having an elevation of 4340 meters (14,239 ft).  The topo map
> has it as 14,251 ft.  I have noticed the same type of issue with
> nearby peaks.  I suspect this has to do with the GNIS import.  The
> elevations in the GNIS are from the National Elevation Dataset (NED),
> not spot (e.g. summit) elevations.  The NED gives the (presumably
> average) elevation for a 3x3 arc second area.  According to the
> metadata for the GNIS:
> 
> ==
> Elevation figures are not official and do not represent precisely
> measured or surveyed values. The data are extracted from the National
> Elevation Dataset () for the primary coordinates
> and may differ from elevations cited in other sources. The differences
> will be most evident for features such as summits where precision is
> of more concern and where the local relief (rate of change of
> elevation) may be more prominent. However, the elevation figures are
> within tolerances for the data for most points and sufficiently
> accurate for purposes of general information.
> ==
> 
> Precise and official elevations are very important for hikers and
> mountineers, or at least we like to think they are.
> 
> I believe that the National Geodetic Survey holds data on the official
> elevations for summits within the U.S., but I need to look into that.
> I am happy to start working on fixing this issue, but I didn't want to
> commence if someone else is already working on.
> 
> Mike
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Re: [Talk-us] Call for Nominations of US Local Chapter Board

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On Jan 31, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 1/30/10 8:20 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>> You're right the minutes aren't clear.
>> 
>> My recollection is that we had decided to make the list of eligible
>> voters and eligible nominees who are also listed as potential
>> financial contributors as of the start of the nomination process (last
>> week). That means folks can't add themselves to the list afterwards to
>> vote (they can add themselves but they're not eligible to vote).[1]
>> 
> this is consistent with my recollections.
>> We hadn't discussed the board size. I'd assumed it would be 4, and
>> speaking to Kate earlier, said it should be 5 or 7 members.
>> 
>> We need to resolve this.
>> 
> i agree with Kate, either 5 or 7. best shot at reliably coming up with 
> quorum that way.

5 if possible

if everyone on a 7 person board wants their 5 minute point then you can only 
get through two topics in a one hour board meeting.

> 
> richard
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[Talk-us] openstreetmap.us

[SteveC]

Hi

I own openstreetmap.us

There are other community sites like openstreetmap.nl and openstreetmap.de

If anyone wants to set up something similar, just tell me the IP address of 
your box and I will point the domain at it.

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Re: [Talk-us] US OMSF proposal mission statement v2

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One of the things we did in the beginning of OSMF is say, roughly, what the 
budget would be spent on. Therefore, if you prioritized the list of goals and 
assigned rough budget %'s to them you avoid a lot of problems over what to 
focus time, money and effort on 1, 2 or 5 years down the line. Doesn't mean 
they need to be set in stone, but right now everyone might have different ideas 
over what the most important bits are.

Yours &c.

Steve

On Dec 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Sarah Manley wrote:
> All,
> 
> Mission statement v2 is now open for discussion: 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Mission_statement
> 
> Please comment here on talk-us or on the wiki. This draft will be open for a 
> 2 week comment period (ending Dec 29).
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

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On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
> Are we talking about all of Colorado or just a certain high-priority section?

I think around the populous would be good, that basically comes down to 
Boulder/Denver/Colo. Springs. AFAIK. But the whole state also awesome.

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Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

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Yeah if you could that would be super level 5 awesome.

Yours &c.

Steve

On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ian Dees wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM, SteveC  wrote:
> Are the NHD import people on this list?
> 
> 
> Yes. I am one of them, but it appears that we're distributing the work load 
> of uploading, so I'm not sure who is taking that section. If no one else is 
> doing it, I would be happy to start uploading it.


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Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

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Are the NHD import people on this list?

On Dec 5, 2009, at 11:42 AM, James Umbanhowar wrote:

> Judging by the wiki page, there are no current plans on importing NHD in 
> Colorado.  The Colorado Headwaters have been uploaded.
> 
> James
> 
> On Saturday 05 December 2009 01:16:29 pm SteveC wrote:
>> I was asked yesterday if/when the NHD would be imported around CO. Anyone
>> know?
>> 
>> Yours &c.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
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[Talk-us] Fwd: [Geowanking] RT @ardevcamp: #AR & #Layar fans/enthusiasts join us Friday 7pm at the Epicenter Cafe www.epicentercafe.com 4 a pre #ARDevCamp

[SteveC]

Will be of interest to those in the bay area...

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Anselm Hook 
> Date: December 3, 2009 4:38:12 PM MST
> To: ardevc...@googlegroups.com, geowank...@geowanking.org
> Subject: [Geowanking] RT @ardevcamp: #AR & #Layar fans/enthusiasts join us 
> Friday 7pm at the Epicenter Cafe www.epicentercafe.com 4 a pre #ARDevCamp
> Reply-To: ans...@hook.org
> 
> This is a round of drinks sponsored by Layar as an ice-breaker.
> 
> From 7-9 at Epicenter cafe. 4th and Harrison San Francisco
> 
> Thanks Layar!
> 
> :-)
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[Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

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I was asked yesterday if/when the NHD would be imported around CO. Anyone know?

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Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data

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Shaun it's simply not that clear cut, there are plenty of people in the US who 
would never have gotten involved without TIGER. I met one yesterday and it was 
the first thing he said.


On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote:

> Why oh why oh why do some people insist on wasting time trying to import 
> loads of data?
> 
> Please take a read of 
> http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/
> 
> Please go out and map what's out on the ground, as usually imported data is 
> of a rather low standard or the import isn't done right, and it's really, 
> really hard to do an import correctly.
> 
> 
> On 5 Dec 2009, at 00:00, Scott Atwood wrote:
> 
>> The Hawaii state government has a sizable repository of GIS data that could 
>> be useful to import into OSM:  http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/gis/.  I have 
>> contacted a manager in the GIS department by telephone and verified that 
>> this GIS data is in the public domain, and therefore available for import 
>> into OSM.
>> 
>> Hawaii has pretty good road coverage from a import of 2007 TIGER data on 
>> O'ahu, and an ongoing import of 2009 TIGER data for the remaining islands, 
>> so the roads data provided by the GIS department probably doesn't need to be 
>> considered.But there is a lot of other data available that isn't 
>> currently in OSM, such as:
>> 
>>* Streams, waterfalls, dams, and canals (Does the National Hydrography 
>> Dataset cover Hawaii?)
>>* Coral reefs
>>* Offshore islets
>>* Mile markers
> 
> Not so sure these belong in OSM.
> 
>>* Trails
>>* Parks
>>* Schools
> 
> Um haven't these already been imported? Not just current ones, but historic 
> ones too, and schools that opened 4 years ago aren't in there?
> 
>>* Hotels
>>* Assorted administrative boundaries
> 
> You'll probably find that most of these are in there already.
> 
>>* Land use categorization.
>>* etc.
>> 
>> There has been relatively little mapping activity in Hawaii outside of 
>> O'ahu, so these data sets are unlikely to conflict with much existing work 
>> on the neighbor islands.  More careful consideration would have to be given 
>> for data imports for O'ahu.
>> 
> 
> Do some publicity, run some mapping parties. The reason OSM has worked in 
> Germany is due to plenty of publicity.
> 
> Shaun
> 
>> I have not made any investigation into the accuracy of any of this data yet, 
>> and honestly, I'm not sure what sort of tools or techniques would be useful 
>> for evaluating the accuracy.
>> 
>> -Scott
>>  
>> 
>> -- 
>> Scott Atwood
>> 
>> The hill isn't in the way, it is the way.
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects

[SteveC]

my mistake

On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Sarah Manley wrote:

> No just talk-us, not the actually lists were contacted. 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM, SteveC  wrote:
> I thought I mailed all the talk-us-* lists when I asked for input?
> 
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Manley wrote:
> 
> > Agreed that at this point in time, having everything centralized here is 
> > the best way forward.
> >
> >  I would like to make a request for the future though, that if a list is 
> > marked for deletion that a message is sent out on that list informing them. 
> > (maybe a week ahead of time). I was the admin for the bay area list and 
> > didn't know if was deleted until my email to it bounced. It would have been 
> > helpful to let folks know, and encourage them to enlist here if they 
> > weren't already (or to join the meetup group which is now being used at the 
> > local event list as well). At this point in the project, we can use as many 
> > mappers as possible, and don't want to lose folks who may only be involved 
> > on a localized level.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:03:22 -0800
> > From: Dave Hansen 
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects
> > To: Dale Puch 
> > Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> > Message-ID: <1259769802.24696.2521.ca...@nimitz>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 03:55 -0500, Dale Puch wrote:
> > > I think the idea was that there wasn't that much traffic that it would
> > > bother the talk-us group, and what was there the rest of us could
> > > possible benefit from.
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I took from it too.
> >
> > It will be a wonderful day when we have so much activity on this list
> > that there's a desperate need to break it up somehow.  As talk-us list
> > dictator, I hereby declare that any local discussions about anywhere in
> > the country are more than welcome here. :)
> >
> > -- Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:18:57 -0800
> > From: SteveC 
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects
> > To: Dave Hansen 
> > Cc: Dale Puch , talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > agreed
> >
> > multiple empty lists are sub-optimal, and what we saw in Europe was that 
> > local events, published on a national scale encouraged people to travel 
> > long distances to them, and prodded competition to start other events where 
> > people couldn't make it.
> >
> > Yours &c.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
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> > >>
> > This may very well already be the defacto standard, but if not, might I
> > suggest that we establish a best practice of prefixing subjects which are
> > regionally directed with a 2-4 character region prefix followed by a colon?
> >
> > NY: has already been used.
> > other states also would be by postal code abbreviation
> >
> >
> > If you need a broader or narrower region, such as New England (NwEn?) or
> > SF/Bay area (SFB?), etc. then as long as you don't step on a state, if you
> > get there first, it's yours.
> >
> > This would allow those who are interested in a particular region to be
> > "pricked" by the prefix, and would also make it easy to search the list
> > for regionally specific entries.
> >
> > Anything without a prefix would be of general US interest.
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Yours &c.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 

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Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects

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I thought I mailed all the talk-us-* lists when I asked for input?

On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Manley wrote:

> Agreed that at this point in time, having everything centralized here is the 
> best way forward.
> 
>  I would like to make a request for the future though, that if a list is 
> marked for deletion that a message is sent out on that list informing them. 
> (maybe a week ahead of time). I was the admin for the bay area list and 
> didn't know if was deleted until my email to it bounced. It would have been 
> helpful to let folks know, and encourage them to enlist here if they weren't 
> already (or to join the meetup group which is now being used at the local 
> event list as well). At this point in the project, we can use as many mappers 
> as possible, and don't want to lose folks who may only be involved on a 
> localized level. 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:03:22 -0800
> From: Dave Hansen 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects
> To: Dale Puch 
> Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID: <1259769802.24696.2521.ca...@nimitz>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 03:55 -0500, Dale Puch wrote:
> > I think the idea was that there wasn't that much traffic that it would
> > bother the talk-us group, and what was there the rest of us could
> > possible benefit from.
> 
> Yeah, that's what I took from it too.
> 
> It will be a wonderful day when we have so much activity on this list
> that there's a desperate need to break it up somehow.  As talk-us list
> dictator, I hereby declare that any local discussions about anywhere in
> the country are more than welcome here. :)
> 
> -- Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:18:57 -0800
> From: SteveC 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects
> To: Dave Hansen 
> Cc: Dale Puch , talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> agreed
> 
> multiple empty lists are sub-optimal, and what we saw in Europe was that 
> local events, published on a national scale encouraged people to travel long 
> distances to them, and prodded competition to start other events where people 
> couldn't make it.
> 
> Yours &c.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> >>___
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> >>Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> >>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
> >>
> This may very well already be the defacto standard, but if not, might I
> suggest that we establish a best practice of prefixing subjects which are
> regionally directed with a 2-4 character region prefix followed by a colon?
> 
> NY: has already been used.
> other states also would be by postal code abbreviation
> 
> 
> If you need a broader or narrower region, such as New England (NwEn?) or
> SF/Bay area (SFB?), etc. then as long as you don't step on a state, if you
> get there first, it's yours.
> 
> This would allow those who are interested in a particular region to be
> "pricked" by the prefix, and would also make it easy to search the list
> for regionally specific entries.
> 
> Anything without a prefix would be of general US interest.
> 
> --
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects

[SteveC]

agreed

multiple empty lists are sub-optimal, and what we saw in Europe was that local 
events, published on a national scale encouraged people to travel long 
distances to them, and prodded competition to start other events where people 
couldn't make it.

Yours &c.

Steve



On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 03:55 -0500, Dale Puch wrote:
>> I think the idea was that there wasn't that much traffic that it would
>> bother the talk-us group, and what was there the rest of us could
>> possible benefit from.
> 
> Yeah, that's what I took from it too.
> 
> It will be a wonderful day when we have so much activity on this list
> that there's a desperate need to break it up somehow.  As talk-us list
> dictator, I hereby declare that any local discussions about anywhere in
> the country are more than welcome here. :)
> 
> -- Dave
> 
> 
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[Talk-us] minutes from the two meetings yesterday?

[SteveC]

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[Talk-us] SOTM US Call

[SteveC]

Resuming the weekly call, tomorrow after the US Chapter call:

Monday Nov 30th
  5:30PM PST/8:30PM EST (immediately after the US chapter call)
  +1 218-486-3891 x 224699644

Main topic is finalizing location and date.

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[Talk-us] today's call

[SteveC]

I'm on a different plane for todays call, apologies I won't make it.

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Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

[SteveC]

any idea where...? maybe we could get some locals to investigate what they are?

On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:

> So, it seems that the TIGER data have some interesting addresses like:
> 
> Non integer address: 9-35
> Non integer address: 9-01
> Non integer address: K200
> Non integer address: K210
> 
> Anybody have any thoughts on how we should handle these?  The conversion
> script complains about them but I'm not even sure if it puts them in
> anyway or just warns.
> 
> -- Dave
> 
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[Talk-us] addressing format

[SteveC]

Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we 
all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it?

It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes 
to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the Karlsruhe schema 
ways with the new geometries that Dave has explicitly bowed out from...

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[Talk-us] SOTM call today CANCELLED

[SteveC]

I'm unfortunately on a plane for the scheduled time. Will reschedule shortly.

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

[SteveC]

On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Anthony wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, SteveC  wrote:
>> So you put the house numbers on the nodes and then what happens with them 
>> all when you switch the way
>> direction?
> 
> Nothing.
> 
>> Every editor has to know to reorder the left and right hand numbers?
> 
> Nope.  Up/Forward is defined as the direction in which the numbers go
> up.  I already explained that earlier in the thread.

Awesome, and what about if they don't go up in the same direction?

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

[SteveC]

On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Anthony wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Peter Batty  wrote:
>> I think the Karlsruhe schema is good where you are trying to model addresses
>> pretty precisely and you're not expecting major updates to the street
>> network. But I think with the TIGER data we have a different situation. And
>> like I said, the two aren't incompatible, you can use a simpler approach on
>> the basic TIGER import (however we decide to implement it), and add data in
>> Karlsruhe format if you want to add more precise addresses later.
> 
> The two complement each other, in fact.  If the TIGER data says that
> the houses on a block run from 2-100, but the actual situation is that
> they run from 2-20, you can put 2-20 in the Karlsruhe schema and leave
> the TIGER data as is.  Then if house 22 gets added on to the end of
> the block, and someone asks the geocoder where it's located, the
> geocoder can at least say "well, it's supposed to be on this block"
> rather than "sorry, house doesn't exist".

So you put the house numbers on the nodes and then what happens with them all 
when you switch the way direction? Every editor has to know to reorder the left 
and right hand numbers?

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

[SteveC]

I suspect the Karlsruhe schema is a bit like the license change. Everyone 
thinks they have a better idea, and it will take 3 weeks of back and forth to 
go over it before they figure out that it's the best (or, least worst) way 
forward... but by then another 3 people who need convincing pop up then 9 
then 27... until you reach the tail off of the s-curve.


On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Anthony wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Peter Batty  wrote:
>> I'm coming a bit late to this debate, but I just wanted to raise a fairly
>> basic question, which is whether the Karlsruhe schema is the best one to use
>> in the situation we find ourselves in with TIGER, where quite a bit of data
>> cleanup is anticipated.
> 
> I signed up for the "USA 'conversion team'" with the express intention
> of challenging the use of the Karlsruhe schema.  Maybe you can sign up
> too (even if you're not in the US).
> 
>> The main challenge with
>> maintaining this format, as Frederik and others pointed out, is if you split
>> or join a way. But it's relatively easy to put logic in editors to handle
>> that, and even if you have to do it manually, it seems to me easier to
>> maintain this model than the more precise Karlsruhe schema if you are doing
>> quite a bit of data cleanup.
> 
> The TIGER data has already been significantly degraded from people
> doing just this type of thing.  The problem is, if a way goes from 2
> to 100, and you want to split it in the middle (say, due to a change
> in the number of lanes), you have to either resurvey the addresses or
> take a shot in the dark and split it 2-48, 50-100.  That might be
> reasonable if the 2-100 were accurate in the first place, but if that
> 2-100 were really 2-20, you've seriously screwed things up.  The TIGER
> data already contains large numbers of instances of exactly this, but
> there's no sense introducing a schema which makes this even worse.
> 
> On the other hand, there are other possibilities which avoid this
> problem and also avoid creating multiple ways.  Join the conversion
> team with me and we can talk about them.
> 
>> So this is not an either / or proposal of course - both forms could exist,
>> and you search for the more precise form before the more approximate form.
> 
> As much as I hate the meme of saying +1 when you agree with someone, I
> have to say +1.  Or maybe "AMEN".
> 
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>> I personally favor having the possible address range in the street way
>> segment (between intersections)
> 
> Join the team!
> 
> Anthony
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

[SteveC]

On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the
>> streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they
>> all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based
>> on these.  Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry
>> corrections that people have done for this data in the last nearly 2
>> years.
> 
> I agree that this is the optimal thing to do.  But it's really hard, so
> I'm not volunteering to take it on. If there's anyone out there braver
> than I, please speak up. :)

I hear you but for the purposes of just thinking about it... I think it might 
be a lot easier than we think.

Forget matching TIGER IDs... if I know a line segment goes from 15th & Valencia 
to 16th & Valencia in TIGER then all I need to find in the same set of points 
in the OSM dataset which isn't going to be super hard. I find 15th, I find 
Valencia, see if they cross at some node. Same with the other intersection, 
then see if those nodes are on a way that joins both of them and find the 
points in between. And as long as the geometry isn't radically different then I 
can match up the points.

I think the major problem would be divided highways where one way is now two 
ways with different directions, but that shouldn't be super hard to do.

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

[SteveC]

On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:49 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 2009/11/14 SteveC :
>> In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on 
>> north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just 
>> search for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the 
>> street and move them manually. Many times for each one.
> 
> I've done a similar import of address data in my area and when writing
> the converter I forgot to do the projection the first time, this
> resulted in a similar effect to what you describe.  I've not seen
> Dave's data but looking at the code he's using there's no projection
> to mercaartor when offsetting the interpolation ways.  My ugly code is
> at http://repo.or.cz/w/ump2osm.git
> 
>> In San Francisco, for divided highways the old TIGER data used to bow in to 
>> a point every block and we had, I think, automated ways to split those out 
>> in to two straight lines. This is reflected with little bows on the address 
>> lines at each intersection - see guerrero for example.
> 
> What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the
> streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they
> all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based
> on these.  Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry
> corrections that people have done for this data in the last nearly 2
> years.

yeah but that might be non-trivial, whereas I'm happy to go over an entire 
county budging things

> 
> Cheers
> 

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Re: [Talk-us] deletion of talk-us-bayarea?

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it got killed after consensus from people

On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Sarah Manley wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Did someone delete the talk-us-bayarea list? From the last email discussion 
> on talk-us there was never a full or agreed upon decision. I just tried to 
> announce an upcoming event and got the following error message. I understand 
> it's not an active mailing list, but it is used for announcements and should 
> not be deleted with out consensus from those who are on the list. 
> 
> If you scroll to the bottom you can see the announcement I was trying to make 
> for an upcoming mapping party.
> 
> Best,
> Sarah
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem 
> Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:45 PM
> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
> To: sarah.m.man...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
> 
> talk-us-baya...@openstreetmap.org
> 
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient 
> domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further 
> information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server 
> returned was: 550 550 Unrouteable address (state 14).
> 
> - Original message -
> 
> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0800 (PST)
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> Message-ID: <2437b81b0911121645v5a0a968cte7ee9d3a9d69b...@mail.gmail.com>
> Subject: gilroy hike & mapping party
> From: Sarah Manley 
> To: talk-us-baya...@openstreetmap.org
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502b00d5e7445047835f8fd
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We are partnering again with the sierra club in the south bay to host a
> mapping party & hike (thanks shawn!)
> 
> Details:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gilroy_Mapping_Party
> 
> Also, we have been chatting weekly about forming the US OSM chapter. It
> would be great to have more bay area folks on the call.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States
> 
> If anyone is interested in a SF (or closer to SF) meetup, let me know. Its
> been a while.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

[SteveC]

On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:11 PM, SteveC wrote:

> Dave
> 
> I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for 
> two things.
> 
> In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on 
> north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search 
> for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the street and 
> move them manually. Many times for each one.
> 
> In San Francisco, for divided highways the old TIGER data used to bow in to a 
> point every block and we had, I think, automated ways to split those out in 
> to two straight lines. This is reflected with little bows on the address 
> lines at each intersection - see guerrero for example.
> 
> Otherwise looks good to me! What are your plans?

when I say looks good, I mean within the bounds of the underlaying data of 
course :-)



> 
> Yours &c.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing
>> someone else's code:
>> 
>> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
>> 
>> and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing
>> ways.  I'm not going to post them publicly.  I did that for the original
>> TIGER, and some enterprising folks took them and uploaded without
>> mentioning it to anyone and it turned into a big mess with no
>> coordination.
>> 
>> If anyone wants to see the data for their county, let me know.  I'll
>> send you a copy of what I have.  All you have to do is convince me that
>> you'll never upload these initial data under any circumstances. :)  
>> 
>> We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
>> people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
>> 
>> -- Dave
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

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Dave

I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two 
things.

In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on 
north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search 
for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the street and move 
them manually. Many times for each one.

In San Francisco, for divided highways the old TIGER data used to bow in to a 
point every block and we had, I think, automated ways to split those out in to 
two straight lines. This is reflected with little bows on the address lines at 
each intersection - see guerrero for example.

Otherwise looks good to me! What are your plans?

Yours &c.

Steve


On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing
> someone else's code:
> 
> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
> 
> and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing
> ways.  I'm not going to post them publicly.  I did that for the original
> TIGER, and some enterprising folks took them and uploaded without
> mentioning it to anyone and it turned into a big mess with no
> coordination.
> 
> If anyone wants to see the data for their county, let me know.  I'll
> send you a copy of what I have.  All you have to do is convince me that
> you'll never upload these initial data under any circumstances. :)  
> 
> We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
> people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
> 
> -- Dave
> 
> 


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