Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2019-02-10

[brad]

Which style did you use?

On 2/12/19 9:37 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-02-10

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-02-10/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-02-10

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know.

-- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Hello Volker, old friend:

Thank you for the Garmin history, thank you for the additional links!  (I knew 
one, didn't know two).

SteveA

> On July 7, 2018 at 6:23:52 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> In fact Garmin started using OSM maps aleady in summer 2013 on the edge 
> Touring. This map goes by various names, in Germany it was announced as " 
> europaweiter Garmin Fahrradkarte auf OSM-Basis ", in Italy " Garmin Cycle Map 
> "
> 
> If you are looking for bicycle maps for Garmin on OSM base, try 
>   • Openfietsmap light [1]
>   • velomap [2]
>   • OpenMTBmap [3]
> 
> [1] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/worldwide
> [2] http://velomap.org/
> [3] https://openmtbmap.org/


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[Volker Schmidt]

> As an aside, if Garmin (a well-respected GPS developer/manufacturer) has
> "switched" to using OSM (even if only ONE of its products!), that says a
> great deal of "wonderful" for the quality of and confidence in our data.
> (Which have for some time found their way into Telenav's Scout products,
> too).
>

In fact Garmin started using OSM maps aleady in summer 2013 on the edge
Touring. This map goes by various names, in Germany it was announced as "
europaweiter Garmin Fahrradkarte auf OSM-Basis ", in Italy " Garmin Cycle
Map "

If you are looking for bicycle maps for Garmin on OSM base, try

   - Openfietsmap light [1]
   - velomap [2]
   - OpenMTBmap [3]


[1] http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/worldwide
[2] http://velomap.org/
[3] https://openmtbmap.org/

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Yes, indeed!  If Garmin wanted to make its loyal hardware customers a bit 
happier, it could firmware-update how it draws various zoom levels and how much 
detail it those include.  On an "old-school" device like my GPS 60 CSx, it may 
be prudent to trim and prune here and there when using OSM maps (if that can be 
determined, although now, it seems, that may be "more frequently").  However, 
as Elliot has an Edge 820 and even "last week's version" is "sluggish" (with 
OSM maps), a tune-up is prudent.  I believe it is where primary, secondary, 
tertiary, residential roads are drawn at particular zoom levels.  Device 
hardware ROM firmware update, or somewhere around there.

Heck, just like a map update is what Garmin turns into a paid data upgrade, I'd 
pay Garmin several dollars to publish a paid firmware upgrade, especially if it 
was as "smart" (and tuned...) as its data are.  That's clearly a business 
opportunity, too.  I appreciate the good discussion.  Go OSM!

SteveA


> On Jul 5, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> Also, if Garmin can sell OSM maps for US/Canada for $50 there is a clear 
> business opportunity there.


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[Martijn van Exel]

Also, if Garmin can sell OSM maps for US/Canada for $50 there is a clear 
business opportunity there.
-- 
  Martijn van Exel
  m...@rtijn.org

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 12:13, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:
> I frequently download Dave's Garmin images for my (fairly ancient, yet 
> still trusty!) Garmin GPS 60 CSx.  (The fact that it runs on two AA NiMH 
> rechargeable cells I can rotate into a pocket-sized solar charger while 
> I'm in the wilderness has something to do with this).  Yes, I have 
> noticed that as the CPU in my Garmin GPS 60 CSx remains the same 
> (obviously), yet the density of OSM data from the SDHC card gets denser 
> (especially in urban areas at medium-zoom), it REALLY slows down screen-
> drawing on the Garmin.  This is problematic, but only during initial 
> draw or re-draw as I change zoom.  Basically it means I shouldn't fiddle 
> Garmin zoom levels (In OR Out) while in dense urban areas unless I'm 
> prepared to wait maybe 30 seconds for a full screen refresh, possibly 
> missing upcoming navigation cues.  Otherwise, navigation and "the map 
> moving along with me" (whether ped, bike or car) work just fine once the 
> screen draws at any particular zoom level, even in dense urban areas.
> 
> As an aside, if Garmin (a well-respected GPS developer/manufacturer) has 
> "switched" to using OSM (even if only ONE of its products!), that says a 
> great deal of "wonderful" for the quality of and confidence in our data.  
> (Which have for some time found their way into Telenav's Scout products, 
> too).
> 
> I also appreciate learning about alternatives (I didn't know about the 
> Fenix link either, thanks, Martijn), and also didn't know that Garmin's 
> own map is OSM-based.  Are we sure about that?  Garmin's "built-in" maps 
> didn't used to be OSM-based (obviously), when did that change?  (Yes, it 
> may be that different maps — some OSM, some not — are used for different 
> car/bike/hike/golf/fitness/whatever products by Garmin).  If anybody 
> knows this Garmin map history, I'm eager to hear it.
> 
> SteveA

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

I frequently download Dave's Garmin images for my (fairly ancient, yet still 
trusty!) Garmin GPS 60 CSx.  (The fact that it runs on two AA NiMH rechargeable 
cells I can rotate into a pocket-sized solar charger while I'm in the 
wilderness has something to do with this).  Yes, I have noticed that as the CPU 
in my Garmin GPS 60 CSx remains the same (obviously), yet the density of OSM 
data from the SDHC card gets denser (especially in urban areas at medium-zoom), 
it REALLY slows down screen-drawing on the Garmin.  This is problematic, but 
only during initial draw or re-draw as I change zoom.  Basically it means I 
shouldn't fiddle Garmin zoom levels (In OR Out) while in dense urban areas 
unless I'm prepared to wait maybe 30 seconds for a full screen refresh, 
possibly missing upcoming navigation cues.  Otherwise, navigation and "the map 
moving along with me" (whether ped, bike or car) work just fine once the screen 
draws at any particular zoom level, even in dense urban areas.

As an aside, if Garmin (a well-respected GPS developer/manufacturer) has 
"switched" to using OSM (even if only ONE of its products!), that says a great 
deal of "wonderful" for the quality of and confidence in our data.  (Which have 
for some time found their way into Telenav's Scout products, too).

I also appreciate learning about alternatives (I didn't know about the Fenix 
link either, thanks, Martijn), and also didn't know that Garmin's own map is 
OSM-based.  Are we sure about that?  Garmin's "built-in" maps didn't used to be 
OSM-based (obviously), when did that change?  (Yes, it may be that different 
maps — some OSM, some not — are used for different 
car/bike/hike/golf/fitness/whatever products by Garmin).  If anybody knows this 
Garmin map history, I'm eager to hear it.

SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[Elliott Plack]

I stumbled on another data extract tool that allows extract to many other
formats and handles custom areas. Very cool: https://extract.bbbike.org/

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:45 PM Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> Thanks for sending the alternatives and blog! The Edge is a small-ish
> screen bike computer. the 820 was until a few days ago in the newest
> generation so I was surprised at how sluggish it was with the OSM maps.
>
> Here's a link to the default cycle routing map it uses, clearly OSM Based.
> They don't update as frequently but must do some QA/QC on the data.
> https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/169655#overview
>
> There is a setting for map detail, but it didn't seem to hide much of what
> was bogging down the rendering, e.g. buildings, addresses, etc.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:31 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> There is a lightweight alternative at
>> http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix but that is really
>> more geared towards Fenix watches.. Still may be usable / nice for other
>> low-memory / small screen contexts. Actually I just blogged about putting
>> OSM maps on my 10 year old etrex..It can still be done :) -->
>> https://ma.rtijn.org/2018/07/02/right-to-upload-maps.html
>>
>> Interesting, I didn't know that the default Garmin map is now OSM based.
>> Is that also true for the car products? Edge is a bicycle device, right?
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19, Elliott Plack wrote:
>>
>> Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my
>> Edge 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a
>> problem in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off the
>> edge of the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The Garmin
>> default map is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to using these
>> extracts.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen  wrote:
>>
>> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>>
>> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>>
>> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
>> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
>> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
>> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>>
>> Downloads:
>>
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03
>>
>> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>>
>>
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html
>> 
>>
>> FAQ
>>
>> 
>>
>> Why did you do this?
>>
>> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
>> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
>> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
>> on removable media.
>>
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03
>>
>> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>>
>> Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
>> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
>> side of the Atlantic.
>>
>> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>>
>> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
>> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
>> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>>
>> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>>
>> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
>> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
>> file.
>>
>> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>>
>> Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
>> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
>> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
>> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
>> non-US area to get included, let me know.
>>
>> -- Dave
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[Elliott Plack]

Thanks for sending the alternatives and blog! The Edge is a small-ish
screen bike computer. the 820 was until a few days ago in the newest
generation so I was surprised at how sluggish it was with the OSM maps.

Here's a link to the default cycle routing map it uses, clearly OSM Based.
They don't update as frequently but must do some QA/QC on the data.
https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/169655#overview

There is a setting for map detail, but it didn't seem to hide much of what
was bogging down the rendering, e.g. buildings, addresses, etc.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:31 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> There is a lightweight alternative at
> http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix but that is really
> more geared towards Fenix watches.. Still may be usable / nice for other
> low-memory / small screen contexts. Actually I just blogged about putting
> OSM maps on my 10 year old etrex..It can still be done :) -->
> https://ma.rtijn.org/2018/07/02/right-to-upload-maps.html
>
> Interesting, I didn't know that the default Garmin map is now OSM based.
> Is that also true for the car products? Edge is a bicycle device, right?
> --
>   Martijn van Exel
>   m...@rtijn.org
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19, Elliott Plack wrote:
>
> Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my Edge
> 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a problem
> in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off the edge of
> the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The Garmin default map
> is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to using these extracts.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen  wrote:
>
> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>
> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>
> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>
> Downloads:
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03
>
> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html
> 
>
> FAQ
>
> 
>
> Why did you do this?
>
> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
> on removable media.
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03
>
> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>
> Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
> side of the Atlantic.
>
> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>
> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>
> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>
> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
> file.
>
> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>
> Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
> non-US area to get included, let me know.
>
> -- Dave
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[Martijn van Exel]

There is a lightweight alternative at
http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix but that is really
more geared towards Fenix watches.. Still may be usable / nice for other
low-memory / small screen contexts. Actually I just blogged about
putting OSM maps on my 10 year old etrex..It can still be done :) -->
https://ma.rtijn.org/2018/07/02/right-to-upload-maps.html
Interesting, I didn't know that the default Garmin map is now OSM based.
Is that also true for the car products? Edge is a bicycle device, right?--
  Martijn van Exel
  m...@rtijn.org



On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19, Elliott Plack wrote:
> Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my
> Edge 820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a
> problem in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off
> the edge of the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The
> Garmin default map is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to
> using these extracts.> 
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen  wrote:
>> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>> 
>>  http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>> 
>>  If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
>>  free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
>>  odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
>>  asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>> 
>>  Downloads:
>> 
>>  http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03>> 
>>  Map to visualize what each file contains:
>> 
>>  
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html>>
>>   
>> 
>>  FAQ
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  Why did you do this?
>> 
>>  I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
>>  of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
>>  cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit
>>  conveniently>>  on removable media.  
>> 
>>  http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03>> 
>>  Can or should I seed the torrents?
>> 
>>  Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web>>  
>> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this>>  
>> side of the Atlantic.
>> 
>>  Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>> 
>>  There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the>>  
>> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may>>  
>> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>> 
>>  Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>> 
>>  If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from>>  
>> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
>>  file.
>> 
>>  Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>> 
>>  Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario>>  
>> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
>>  to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
>>  This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
>>  non-US area to get included, let me know. 
>> 
>>  -- Dave
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-07-03

[Elliott Plack]

Question about these extracts: I’ve tried loading some on these on my Edge
820 but the maps are too detailed to render. This is most often a problem
in city areas where mapping detail is dense. I usually run off the edge of
the rendered map before it has a chance to reload. The Garmin default map
is also OSM-based, so is there any advantage to using these extracts.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 07:37 Dave Hansen  wrote:

> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>
> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>
> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>
> Downloads:
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03
>
> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03/kml/kml.html
> 
>
> FAQ
>
> 
>
> Why did you do this?
>
> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
> on removable media.
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-07-03
>
> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>
> Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
> side of the Atlantic.
>
> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>
> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>
> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>
> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
> file.
>
> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>
> Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
> non-US area to get included, let me know.
>
> -- Dave
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2018-02-10

[Bill Ricker]

> Map to visualize what each file contains:
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2018-02-10/kml/kml.html


Map is not loading for me in either Chrome or FF. (Nor Chromium).
"Loading data, please wait :spinner:"

(Previously I have not used these maps because the half-gig files
split i-95 (since the coast is inclined) and my old 76csx didn't
behave well with larger, so I did me own subsets on Lambertus's tool,
but since I've upgraded to a newer Garmin 78, your 1G or 2G files will
 be worth trying.)

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-12-17

[Marc Gemis]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Martijn van Exel
 wrote:
> There's also garmin.openstreetmap.nl where you can define your own custom
> bounding box for generating Garmin routable map files. Perhaps that helps.

Lately several people reported errors with this service.
You could use http://extract.bbbike.org/ as an alternative

regards

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-12-17

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Dan,

Not sure if Dave actually reads this list any more -- these messages are 
posted automatically as far as I know.


There's also garmin.openstreetmap.nl where you can define your own 
custom bounding box for generating Garmin routable map files. Perhaps 
that helps.


Martijn

On 12/21/2016 08:29 AM, DRTBYK wrote:

Dave,

Please include enough of the Yukon Territory so as to allow for routing
between Alaska and the Lower 48.  As it is now, the Alaska Highway is
cut off above Whitehorse.

Cheers,
Dan Townsley


On 2016Dec21, at 04:00, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11

[Clifford Snow]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:29 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> How about it, Dave?  Might we see a truly complete North (+ Central)
> American version fitting into 8 GB in the future?  Please?


Dave,
I agree with Steve - if you could find time to include those in the 8GB
version, it would be much appreciated. I spend a fair amount of time in
Central America and use my garmin all the time.

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

>   1. Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11 (DRTBYK)
> 
> From: DRTBYK 
> Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11
> Date: September 15, 2016 at 7:40:21 AM PDT
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> 
> 
> Given the size of the largest file, it wouldn’t be that much larger to 
> include the rest of Canada and Mexico to create a truly North America 
> version. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan Townsley

I agree.  The version designed to fit on a 4 GB card is 3.6 GB, and the version 
designed to fit on an 8 GB card is only slightly larger at 3.8 GB.  The 
"missing tiles" sufficient to give truly complete North American coverage 
(parts of Canada, quite sparse of data) might only take an additional gigabyte 
(likely much less), the entirety of Mexico might be an additional gigabyte and 
even the six countries of Central America could be included at another gigabyte 
or two at most.  It seems that North AND Central America could fit on an 8 GB 
card.

I really love and use these data in my trusty Garmin 60CSx (a champ after ten 
years of great service).  I get the .torrent version (and I seed!)  This sort 
of "closing the loop" (of editing OSM data, then actually USING them) are one 
of the greatest aspects of OSM.  I, and you, too can edit our own GPS map data 
with fresh updates every couple of weeks!  True, I don't travel to Nunavut or 
Quintana Roo (very often), but I might someday!

How about it, Dave?  Might we see a truly complete North (+ Central) American 
version fitting into 8 GB in the future?  Please?

Thank you,
SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-05-13

[Dave Hansen]

Do you mean just a tarball of all the .torrent files?  

- Dave
(sorry if this is a top-posted reply... stupid phone) 

> On May 17, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Brian Heaton  wrote:
> 
> If you can include a compressed archive of just the torrent file for future 
> releases, it will be marginally easier to pull them down for seeding.
> 
> THX/BDH
> 
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Dave Hansen  wrote:
>> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>> 
>> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>> 
>> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
>> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
>> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
>> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>> 
>> Downloads:
>> 
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-05-13
>> 
>> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>> 
>> 
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-05-13/kml/kml.html
>> 
>> 
>> FAQ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why did you do this?
>> 
>> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
>> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
>> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
>> on removable media.
>> 
>> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-05-13
>> 
>> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>> 
>> Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
>> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
>> side of the Atlantic.
>> 
>> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>> 
>> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
>> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
>> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>> 
>> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>> 
>> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
>> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
>> file.
>> 
>> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>> 
>> Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
>> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
>> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
>> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
>> non-US area to get included, let me know.
>> 
>> -- Dave
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-05-13

[Brian Heaton]

If you can include a compressed archive of just the torrent file for future
releases, it will be marginally easier to pull them down for seeding.

THX/BDH

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Dave Hansen  wrote:

> These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
>
> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
>
> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
> free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
>
> Downloads:
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-05-13
>
> Map to visualize what each file contains:
>
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-05-13/kml/kml.html
> 
>
> FAQ
>
> 
>
> Why did you do this?
>
> I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
> of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
> cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
> on removable media.
>
> http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-05-13
>
> Can or should I seed the torrents?
>
> Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
> server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
> side of the Atlantic.
>
> Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
>
> There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
> red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
> want to update if you had issues with the last set.
>
> Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
>
> If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
> the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
> file.
>
> Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
>
> Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
> in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
> to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
> This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
> non-US area to get included, let me know.
>
> -- Dave
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-11-30

[Paul Fox]

dave --

several of the files seem to be about twice as large as their name
would suggest:

 500MB-lon_-76.22_to_163.08.2015-11-30.gmapsupp.img  2015-12-03 20:47 900M
 1000MB-lon_-80.35_to_163.08.2015-11-30.gmapsupp.img 2015-12-03 20:48 1.8G
 2000MB-lon_-89.69_to_163.08.2015-11-30.gmapsupp.img 2015-12-03 20:49 3.6G

intentional?

paul

dave wrote:
 > These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 > 
 >  http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
 > 
 > If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
 > free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
 > odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
 > asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
 > 
 > Downloads:
 > 
 >  http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-11-30
 > 
 > Map to visualize what each file contains:
 > 
 >  
 > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-11-30/kml/kml.html
 > 
 > 
 > FAQ
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Why did you do this?
 > 
 >  I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
 >  of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
 >  cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
 >  on removable media.  
 > 
 >  http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-11-30
 > 
 > Can or should I seed the torrents?
 > 
 >  Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
 >  server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
 >  side of the Atlantic.
 > 
 > Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
 > 
 >  There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
 >  red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
 >  want to update if you had issues with the last set.
 > 
 > Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
 > 
 >  If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
 >  the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
 >  file.
 > 
 > Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
 > 
 >  Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
 >  in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
 >  to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
 >  This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
 >  non-US area to get included, let me know. 
 > 
 > -- Dave
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-08-07

[Dave Hansen]

On 08/10/2015 01:52 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
 
 Map to visualize what each file contains:
 
   
 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-08-07/kml/kml.html

For some reason, the Openstreetmap server is not generating indexes
which are auto-generated web pages for directory listings, so this url
doesn't work:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-08-07

But you can still use the map page:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-08-07/kml/kml.html

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-07-15

[Clifford Snow]

Dave,
I'm getting a file not found for your download link. Can't even find
htttp://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org.

Clifford

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

 http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

 If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
 free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
 odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
 asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

 Downloads:

 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-07-15

 Map to visualize what each file contains:


 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-07-15/kml/kml.html
 

 FAQ

 

 Why did you do this?

 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
 of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
 cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
 on removable media.

 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-07-15

 Can or should I seed the torrents?

 Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
 server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
 side of the Atlantic.

 Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

 There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
 red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
 want to update if you had issues with the last set.

 Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

 If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
 the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB
 file.

 Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

 Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
 in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
 to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
 This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
 non-US area to get included, let me know.

 -- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-05-06

[Clifford Snow]

Can you explain what you are hoping to accomplish? That may help people to
respond to your questions.

About talk-us. Talk-us is the OSM mailing list [1] for OpenStreetMap US.
When you send a message to talk-us@openstreetmap.org, it is rebroadcast to
everyone signed up for the list. I believe it uses the Mailman [2] open
source list manager.

Clifford

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[2] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jack Erbes jacker...@roadrunner.com
wrote:

  I have a question.  When I use MapSource I have chosen to display
 Lat/Long as:

 Grid:  Lat/Lon hddd.°
 Datum:  WGS 84

 The names of the downloads on the Free Routable Maps for Garmin Brand GPS
 devices page expresses Longitude differently, a typical file name is like:

 500MB-lon_-76.27_to_160.97.2015-05-19.gmapsupp.kml

 What is the name of the Grid system you are using?  I can't seem to find
 it if it is one of the choices in the MapSource  Edit  Preferences 
 Position menu.

 If I had MapSource set to display the same it would track with the file
 names andit would let me better understand the area the maps cover.

 I don't understand this Talk-us thing, and can't find a page that explains
 it to me.  My apologies if this is the wrong way to ask this question.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-05-06

[Jack Erbes]

I have a question.  When I use MapSource I have chosen to display 
Lat/Long as:


Grid:  Lat/Lon hddd.°
Datum:  WGS 84

The names of the downloads on the Free Routable Maps for Garmin Brand 
GPS devices page expresses Longitude differently, a typical file name is 
like:


500MB-lon_-76.27_to_160.97.2015-05-19.gmapsupp.kml

What is the name of the Grid system you are using?  I can't seem to find 
it if it is one of the choices in the MapSource  Edit  Preferences  
Position menu.


If I had MapSource set to display the same it would track with the file 
names andit would let me better understand the area the maps cover.


I don't understand this Talk-us thing, and can't find a page that 
explains it to me.  My apologies if this is the wrong way to ask this 
question.


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2014-10-01

[Dave Mansfield]

Hello Dave,

I have tried downloading  your maps. I put the .img file in the Garmin 
directory on a USB drive like I do other maps. When I start BaseCamp in the 
left window it looks like it's reading the map in but then it goes away. If I 
close and restart BaseCamp it will try to read it in again with the same 
results. I have tried renaming them and get the same results. Any idea what I'm 
doing wrong?

Thanks
Dave

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Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 4:44 AM
To: d...@sr71.net; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2014-10-01

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask.  
However, please do not send me private mail.  The odds are, someone else will 
have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-10-01

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-10-01/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-10-01

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2014-05-31

[Dave Hansen]

On 06/02/2014 09:15 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
   http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
 
 If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
 free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
 odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
 asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
 
 Downloads:
 
   http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-05-31

Just spot-checking this, I noticed that the 4000MB file is actually
shrinking compared to older ones:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2014-01-20/

Anybody have an explanation?  Seems odd to me.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22

[F Hillhouse Jr]

Hi Martin,

That was my conclusion as well. Figured it didn't hurt to ask.

Does it get placed in the same directory as the IMG file on the SD card?


Thanks again!

Best regards, 
Fred Hillhouse



From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] 

2013/9/4 F Hillhouse Jr f.hillhouse...@gmail.com

I selected the Mapnik TYP file. Is this file necessary?

this is a file that specifies how the things are displayed, if you don't use
it you will get the standard garmin rendering, but as the available line
types and icons are limited, this could in some cases lead to confusion (if
object or line types were abused in order to display different information
garmin hadn't in mind, it will be misleading). I'd suggest to  use the TYP
files.

cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/9/4 F Hillhouse Jr f.hillhouse...@gmail.com

 I selected the Mapnik TYP file. Is this file necessary?



this is a file that specifies how the things are displayed, if you don't
use it you will get the standard garmin rendering, but as the available
line types and icons are limited, this could in some cases lead to
confusion (if object or line types were abused in order to display
different information garmin hadn't in mind, it will be misleading). I'd
suggest to  use the TYP files.

cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22

[F Hillhouse Jr]

Hi Dave,

One last question, I think.

I also went to the Lambertus site and requested a IMG file by picking the
areas of interest. I figured it would be useful to know as well.

I selected the Mapnik TYP file. Is this file necessary? If yes, I assume it
would go into the same directory on the SD card.

Hopefully I will make it out today and pick up some SD cards.

Thank you for your time and efforts!

Best regards,
Fred N7FMH



 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Hansen [mailto:d...@sr71.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:31
 To: F Hillhouse Jr
 Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22
 
 On 09/03/2013 02:56 PM, F Hillhouse Jr wrote:
  I just bought a Garmin GPSMAP 62s and have started to look more 
  closely at the files on your page.
  
  With the IMG file, do I just copy the image to the SD card or use 
  something like Win32DiskImager?
  
  The reason I ask, I use Win32DiskImager when writing the 
 Raspberry Pi 
  image to the SD Card.
 
 I added a FAQ for this:
 
 How do I get these files on to my Garmin?
 
 1. Download one of the files.
 2. Rename it to gmapsupp.img.
 3. Make a folder on your SD card called garmin.
 4. Copy gmapsupp.img to that folder on your SD card.
 
 


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22

[Dave Hansen]

On 09/03/2013 02:56 PM, F Hillhouse Jr wrote:
 I just bought a Garmin GPSMAP 62s and have started to look more closely at
 the files on your page.
 
 With the IMG file, do I just copy the image to the SD card or use something
 like Win32DiskImager?
 
 The reason I ask, I use Win32DiskImager when writing the Raspberry Pi image
 to the SD Card.

I added a FAQ for this:

How do I get these files on to my Garmin?

1. Download one of the files.
2. Rename it to gmapsupp.img.
3. Make a folder on your SD card called garmin.
4. Copy gmapsupp.img to that folder on your SD card.



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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22

[F Hillhouse Jr]

Hi Dave,

I just bought a Garmin GPSMAP 62s and have started to look more closely at
the files on your page.

With the IMG file, do I just copy the image to the SD card or use something
like Win32DiskImager?

The reason I ask, I use Win32DiskImager when writing the Raspberry Pi image
to the SD Card.

Thanks!

Best regards,
Fred
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Hansen [mailto:d...@sr71.net] 
 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 14:32
 To: d...@sr71.net; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-08-22
 
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
   http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
 
 If you have questions or comments about these maps, please 
 feel free to ask.  However, please do not send me private 
 mail.  The odds are, someone else will have the same 
 questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
 
 Downloads:
 
   http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2013-08-22
 
 Map to visualize what each file contains:
 
   
 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2013-08-22
 /kml/kml.html
 
 
 FAQ
 
 
 
 Why did you do this?
 
   I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
   of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
   cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
   on removable media.  
 
   http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2013-08-22
 
 Can or should I seed the torrents?
 
   Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
   server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
   side of the Atlantic.
 
 Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?
 
   There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
   red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
   want to update if you had issues with the last set.
 
 Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?
 
   If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
   the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB
   file.
 
 Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
 
   Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
   in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
   to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
   This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
   non-US area to get included, let me know. 
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-05-21

[Dave Hansen]

On 05/23/2013 08:49 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
 Map to visualize what each file contains:
 
   
 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2013-05-21/kml/kml.html

I added a link to the torrents from this page.  Please let me know if
you find this useful, or if it doesn't work. :)

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-01-11

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 Downloads:

 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2013-01-11

These appear to be incomplete - all of the files are only 3.5K each!

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-01-11

[Dave Hansen]

On 01/11/2013 07:19 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 Downloads:

 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2013-01-11
 
 These appear to be incomplete - all of the files are only 3.5K each!

Yeah, looks that way.  Looks like Lambertus's stuff is a bit broken at
the moment (red means broken):

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-29

[Dave Hansen]

Is everybody still OK with receiving these updates on this list?  They
seem to have gotten more frequent lately (Thanks Lambertus)!

I could easily limit the notifications to only be every month or two
weeks or something.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-29

[Richard Welty]

On 10/30/12 5:23 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:

Is everybody still OK with receiving these updates on this list?  They
seem to have gotten more frequent lately (Thanks Lambertus)!

I could easily limit the notifications to only be every month or two
weeks or something.


i think it's fine the way it is, don't change anything.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-29

[Martijn van Exel]

It's a good reminder they are there. They should probably be listed on
a yet-to-be-created 'resources' page on the openstreetmap.us web site.

What are some more US specific resources we could point folks to now
that we're on the subject?

Martijn

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
 On 10/30/12 5:23 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:

 Is everybody still OK with receiving these updates on this list?  They
 seem to have gotten more frequent lately (Thanks Lambertus)!

 I could easily limit the notifications to only be every month or two
 weeks or something.

 i think it's fine the way it is, don't change anything.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

[Richard Finegold]

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
[snip]
 Can or should I seed the torrents?

 Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
 server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
 side of the Atlantic.

Are statistics available for the torrents or ftp downloads? I've been
trying recently to get my preferred download -- the 500MB west
coast/Alaska (currently 500MB-lon_-168.71_to_-118.83.2012-10-15) --
via torrent instead of ftp, but the seeding doesn't seem very
consistent (typically 1 or 0 seeds, right now just 1 peer and no
seeds). I've been seeding the 10-12, but so far no takers (0 bytes
uploaded).

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

[Richard Welty]

excellent. these are back up to the expected size, and so presumably are 
fairly complete.


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

[Dave Hansen]

Yeah.  There were a lot of files that I was unable to download in the last few 
sets.  This one seems to be without issues.

-- Dave

On Oct 17, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

 excellent. these are back up to the expected size, and so presumably are 
 fairly complete.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

[Paul Johnson]

Was hoping to see a 10/16 or 10/17 snapshot, since I just did a good size
edit for Tulsa highway construction and the brand new overpass now
permanently closed over Charles Page Boulevard that a garbage truck
totalled on Monday...

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 Yeah.  There were a lot of files that I was unable to download in the last
 few sets.  This one seems to be without issues.

 -- Dave

 On Oct 17, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

  excellent. these are back up to the expected size, and so presumably are
 fairly complete.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

[Richard Welty]

On 10/17/12 10:55 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:

Was hoping to see a 10/16 or 10/17 snapshot, since I just did a good size
edit for Tulsa highway construction and the brand new overpass now
permanently closed over Charles Page Boulevard that a garbage truck
totalled on Monday...


the updates get done when they get done. the IT schedule and the
real world schedule don't always match in an ideal fashion.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-09

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 Downloads:

 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-10-09


Don't get too excited, folks... most of the southern plains including
almost all of Kansas, Arkansas and Missouri, half of Oklahoma, and half of
Texas are borked over on the Lambertus side.
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-05

[Dave Hansen]

On 10/06/2012 02:50 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
   http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
 
 If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
 free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
 odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
 asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Lambertus's site is having some issues with the latest set.  Probably
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-05

[Richard Welty]

On 10/7/12 3:23 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
Lambertus's site is having some issues with the latest set. Probably 
best to ignore these at the moment.
is the issue just missing sections? i noticed the file was much smaller 
than normal, but my

garmin recognizes it and the map around Albany, NY seems ok.

richard


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-05

[Dave Hansen]

Yeah there are lots of missing tiles.  As you noticed there are some good areas 
though

- Dave
(sorry if this is a top-posted reply... stupid phone) 

On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

 On 10/7/12 3:23 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
 Lambertus's site is having some issues with the latest set. Probably best to 
 ignore these at the moment.
 is the issue just missing sections? i noticed the file was much smaller than 
 normal, but my
 garmin recognizes it and the map around Albany, NY seems ok.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - NOW working for me

[Alan Millar]

On 9/29/2012 2:18 PM, Alan wrote:

Anyone else have problems with recent versions of these no longer working for 
them?


Um, sorry, false alarm.  After completely clearing out my SD card, and 
making sure there were no left over recycle bin or hidden files, I tried 
it all again and it worked.  Looks like just stupid user error on my 
part :-(


(I do wonder if there was a more subtle explanation in the VFAT 
filesystem on the sd card, where the Nuvi may only read the DOS 8.3 
short filename.  I wonder if there is a scenario where one might copy a 
file to the card and then rename it, ending with a long name of 
gmapsupp.img and a short name of GMAPSU~1.IMG or something.  Always 
looking for someone to blame other than me :-)


Thanks for everyone's advice anyways!

- Alan


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - NOW working for me

[Alan Millar]

On 9/29/2012 2:18 PM, Alan wrote:

Anyone else have problems with recent versions of these no longer working for 
them?


Um, sorry, false alarm.  After completely clearing out my SD card, and 
making sure there were no left over recycle bin or hidden files, I tried 
it all again and it worked.  Looks like just stupid user error on my 
part :-(


(I do wonder if there was a more subtle explanation in the VFAT 
filesystem on the sd card, where the Nuvi may only read the DOS 8.3 
short filename.  I wonder if there is a scenario where one might copy a 
file to the card and then rename it, ending with a long name of 
gmapsupp.img and a short name of GMAPSU~1.IMG or something.  Always 
looking for someone to blame other than me :-)


Thanks for everyone's advice anyways!

- Alan


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

[Alan Millar]

On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 21:09 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
   Could folks that are having trouble try some single
 tiles or a set generated directly from Lambertus's site?

OK, I tried directly from Lambertus's site.  

I tried the pre-defined state of Oregon from

http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/garmin/generic/26-09-2012/98f98a467c2ca93389e891f40b15a33d/

and it worked.  The Nuvi 200 recognized it as OSM generic routable.

I'm requesting a custom tile set now from there.  We'll see what it
does.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

[Paul Norman]

 From: Dave Hansen [mailto:d...@sr71.net]
 Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26
 
 
 Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?
 
   Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
   in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
   to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
   This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
   non-US area to get included, let me know.

Could you annex part of BC into the west coast? 
Adding the CA-Cambell River, CA-North Vancouver, CA-Kamloops and CA-Kelowna
would cover most of the population of BC and add some waters within the US
12 NM limit as well as get the drivable part of the west coast within one
file (which would include the route I'm taking to SOTM-US)


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

[Richard Welty]

On 10/1/12 1:40 AM, Alan Millar wrote:

On Sat, 2012-09-29 at 17:48 -0400, Richard Welty wrote:

my Nuvi is relatively new (about 2 years old). how old is the firmware
on your Nuvi?

Mine is rather old.  Not sure about the date, but probably at least 5
years old.  It just says Nuvi 200, software version 5.00, GPS SW
Version 2.20b.

you may want to see if the Garmin website will let you update it. hard 
to say

if it will or not after that much time.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

[Dave Hansen]

On 09/30/2012 11:47 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
 Could you annex part of BC into the west coast? 

Sure.  I'll look in to it the next time I tear in to the code. :)

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

[Paul Johnson]

Speed limit and/or lane data as available would be awesome, too.
On Oct 1, 2012 8:54 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 On 09/30/2012 11:47 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
  Could you annex part of BC into the west coast?

 Sure.  I'll look in to it the next time I tear in to the code. :)

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

[Dave Hansen]

On 10/01/2012 10:34 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
 Speed limit and/or lane data as available would be awesome, too.

Remember, I'm just basically pasting together Lambertus's maps.  Get him
to add it and it'll automatically show up in mine.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

[Richard Welty]

On 10/1/12 2:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:

Does Lambertus follow the list?

i don't know, but he does read and respond to messages sent through the 
openstreetmap.org

messaging system.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

[Paul Johnson]

OK, I messaged him.  On a GPRS connection, so hopefully the website took it.

On Monday, October 1, 2012, Martijn van Exel wrote:

 No, Lambertus hangs out on the forum mostly, and talk-nl probably. I
 can relay a message to him if you want.

 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Richard Welty 
 rwe...@averillpark.netjavascript:;
 wrote:
  On 10/1/12 2:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
 
  Does Lambertus follow the list?
 
  i don't know, but he does read and respond to messages sent through the
  openstreetmap.org
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

[Dave Hansen]

On 09/29/2012 02:18 PM, Alan wrote:
 Anyone else run across this?  I wonder if something may have changed in the 
 last year in the mkgmap output or something like that.  Any tips would be 
 appreciated.  Thanks

I think it's still using the exact same mkgmap.  The binary's
modification time is March 2010.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

[Dave Hansen]

On 09/30/2012 07:21 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote:
 
 On Sep 30, 2012 4:26 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net
 mailto:d...@sr71.net wrote:

 On 09/29/2012 02:18 PM, Alan wrote:
  Anyone else run across this?  I wonder if something may have changed
 in the last year in the mkgmap output or something like that.  Any tips
 would be appreciated.  Thanks

 I think it's still using the exact same mkgmap.  The binary's
 modification time is March 2010.
 
 Could mkgmap be choking on differently-formatted planet files since ODbL
 switch?

It's possible...  Could folks that are having trouble try some single
tiles or a set generated directly from Lambertus's site?

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

[Alan Millar]

On Sat, 2012-09-29 at 17:48 -0400, Richard Welty wrote:
 my Nuvi is relatively new (about 2 years old). how old is the firmware 
 on your Nuvi?

Mine is rather old.  Not sure about the date, but probably at least 5
years old.  It just says Nuvi 200, software version 5.00, GPS SW
Version 2.20b.

Next I'll try Dave's suggestion of going straight to Lambertus's site.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

[Richard Welty]

On 9/29/12 5:18 PM, Alan wrote:
   
Anyone else have problems with recent versions of these no longer working for them?


i generally take the 4G version, and the recent ones have worked fine on 
my Nuvi 255W.


my Nuvi is relatively new (about 2 years old). how old is the firmware 
on your Nuvi?


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07

[Kenneth Adelman]

 If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
 free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
 odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
 asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

I just noticed that my seed-box isn't seeding these torrents
(these, or any of the previous cycles) because it can't connect to the
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 tracker.  I don't have any sort of
firewalls involved.  Anyone else seeing this problem?

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07

[Dave Hansen]

On 07/09/2012 07:53 AM, Kenneth Adelman wrote:
 If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
 free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail.  The
 odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
 asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.
 
 I just noticed that my seed-box isn't seeding these torrents
 (these, or any of the previous cycles) because it can't connect to the
 udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 tracker.  I don't have any sort of
 firewalls involved.  Anyone else seeing this problem?

I'm seeing the same thing.

Any suggestions for other trackers to use?

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07

[Kenneth Adelman]

 I just noticed that my seed-box isn't seeding these torrents
 (these, or any of the previous cycles) because it can't connect to the
 udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 tracker.  I don't have any sort of
 firewalls involved.  Anyone else seeing this problem?

 I'm seeing the same thing.

 Any suggestions for other trackers to use?

Not an expert on the matter, but try

http://publicbt.com/

I think you can have more than one, so you could leave the current tracker 
and add
this one. If you update the .torrent files on the site, let me know and I'll 
try the
new ones.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 08:43 -0700, Kenneth Adelman wrote:
  [quoting Dave Hansen:]
  I'm seeing the same thing.
 
  Any suggestions for other trackers to use?
 
 Not an expert on the matter, but try
 
 http://publicbt.com/
 
 I think you can have more than one, so you could leave the current 
 tracker and add
 this one. If you update the .torrent files on the site, let me know and I'll 
 try the
 new ones.

These are all known to work:

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80
udp://tracker.ccc.de:80
udp://tracker.istole.it:80

Any modern BitTorrent client should have no issue with multiple
trackers. Any modern BitTorrent client will also support DHT, PEX, and
magnet links making a missing tracker an annoyance rather than a
show-stopper; though it is possible to download public torrents given
only the info hash, having a tracker can (and usually does) speed things
up.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-06-20

[Dave Hansen]

On 06/24/2012 02:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
 Wow, the 4000MB image is looking a wee bit light...indeed the kml
 indicates a serious swiss cheese factor.  What happened?

Looks like Lambertus has been busy.  A bunch of stuff has changed.
It'll take some time to fix up.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-06-20

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 On 06/24/2012 02:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
  Wow, the 4000MB image is looking a wee bit light...indeed the kml
  indicates a serious swiss cheese factor.  What happened?

 Looks like Lambertus has been busy.  A bunch of stuff has changed.
 It'll take some time to fix up.


So this isn't the final size yet?
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-03-24

[Dave Hansen]

On 03/27/2012 07:15 PM, Kenneth Adelman wrote:
   Btw, do these go into Mexico? I'm in Cozumel, and
 surprised that I have map data.

You can see which tiles every individual file covers by looking at this
page:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/kml/kml.html

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-02-25

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

        http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.

        http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-02-25

The 4G .torrent file is an empty file:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-02-25/4000MB-lon_-160.88_to_158.91.2012-02-25.gmapsupp.img.torrent


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-01-30

[Dave Hansen]

On 02/01/2012 12:48 PM, stevea wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
 I love these, I really do, and I must say thank you for standing on
 Lambertus' shoulders.  But I have one important request.  I have even
 reformatted my 2 GB microSD cards, but I can't seem to get them to have
 a capacity of more than 1.84 GB.  Your 2 GB compatible .img files are
 1.87 GB, and so I am forced to downshift to the 1 GB versions,
 effectively wasting about half of my card's capacity.
 
 If you were to make these 1.8 or 1.81 GB (tops), then that would leave
 me a bit of room for track logs and such, and make much better use of my
 2 GB microSD card (which is where my Garmin 60CSx maxes out). 
 Analogously, you might trim other .img files by a similar 1.63% (or so),
 though I can only speak to the specifics of my situation (2 GB card).

I used to *try* and make the maps fit at ~95% of the card.  Some things
like variable compression ratios and the sizes of the combined indexes
make this hard to predict.  So, it's possible that they're changing and
getting bigger over time.  Anyway, I'll change that from 95% to 90% for
the next batch of maps and see how it goes.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-01-06

[Dave Hansen]

On 01/07/2012 04:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
   http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl
 
 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.  

Lambertus started building a new map, but it had a ton of missing tiles
and it looks like he reverted back to the December set.  I'm going to do
the same.

I've also made a change to my scripts.  They'll now no longer build the
maps or send out emails unless they fully complete a new download of a
Lambertus set.  I originally tried to make them a bit tolerant of
missing a tile or two (which was common).  That is not as common now,
but missing half of the data set for a time is.



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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30

[Chris Lawrence]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 09:48 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
 Also, it looks like the Oct 9th files
 are truncated as the 4000MB file is only 2.1G (usually they are around
 3G).

 It says 3GB for me at the moment.

 [ ]4000MB-lon_-164.66_to_156.18.2011-09-30.gmapsupp.img13-Oct-2011 15:38 
 3.1G  [ ]

 I wonder if it was being rebuilt somehow while you were looking at it.

 Yes, those are the Sep 30th files...  The truncated ones appear to be
 the Oct 9th files:

        4000MB-lon_-164.66_to_157.02.2011-10-09.gmapsupp.img    10-Oct-2011 
 19:50       2.3G

More generally the Oct 9th files (at least if the 1000MB -85.69 to
+157.02 file is anything to judge by) seem to be missing a lot of
ways, suggesting some sort of problem with the overall data that was
segmented in that run.


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30

[Dave Hansen]

On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:53 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
   4000MB-lon_-164.66_to_157.02.2011-10-09.gmapsupp.img10-Oct-2011 
 19:50   2.3G

I think there was a problem with the new set.  Lambertus only had it up
for a brief period of time before shutting it down and going back to the
September 30th version.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

        http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.

        http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30

I'm a little confused...  What's the difference between these files
and what was here previously?  Also, it looks like the Oct 9th files
are truncated as the 4000MB file is only 2.1G (usually they are around
3G).

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30

[Dave Hansen]

On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 09:48 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
  I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
  large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
  swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.
 
 
  http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30
 
 I'm a little confused...  What's the difference between these files
 and what was here previously?

The email that got generated was because I re-added the 500MB versions
My email script is dumb. :)

 Also, it looks like the Oct 9th files
 are truncated as the 4000MB file is only 2.1G (usually they are around
 3G).

It says 3GB for me at the moment.

[ ]4000MB-lon_-164.66_to_156.18.2011-09-30.gmapsupp.img13-Oct-2011 15:38 3.1G  
[ ]

I wonder if it was being rebuilt somehow while you were looking at it.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 09:48 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
 Also, it looks like the Oct 9th files
 are truncated as the 4000MB file is only 2.1G (usually they are around
 3G).

 It says 3GB for me at the moment.

 [ ]4000MB-lon_-164.66_to_156.18.2011-09-30.gmapsupp.img13-Oct-2011 15:38 3.1G 
  [ ]

 I wonder if it was being rebuilt somehow while you were looking at it.

Yes, those are the Sep 30th files...  The truncated ones appear to be
the Oct 9th files:

4000MB-lon_-164.66_to_157.02.2011-10-09.gmapsupp.img10-Oct-2011 
19:50   2.3G

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30

[Dave Hansen]

On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 15:09 +0100, Dave Hansen wrote:
 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.  
 
 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30 

Is anybody using the 500MB versions any more?  I'm temped to remove them
and see if anyone screams.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-07-17

[Dave Hansen]

On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 17:49 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
 One tile is missing from the routable Garmin maps.  It's Waterloo
 Region, in Southern Ontario.  Could that tile be added to the Garmin
 sets?  The East coast sets, from 1GB up include all of the tiles that
 surround Waterloo Region but not Waterloo Region itself.  While the
 1GB East coast covers most every place I drive, the lack of Waterloo
 poses a problem for me.  You see, I live in that tile.  ;-)

Hmm...  Which map tile is it?  Go here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

check the manual tile selection box, and then click on the tile.  Look
in the Selected tiles in the left margin.  Give me both the name
(US-something) and the full URL of that link.

I'll look in to it.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-07-17

[Dave Hansen]

On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 18:04 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
  Hmm...  Which map tile is it?  Go here:
 
 http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
 
  check the manual tile selection box, and then click on the tile.
  Look
  in the Selected tiles in the left margin.  Give me both the name
  (US-something) and the full URL of that link.
 
 http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/garmin/routable/17-07-2011/63240313.img
 CA-Kitchener

Ahh, it's actually _in_ Canada.  Gotcha.

I'll look in to annexing Ontario to be part of the US.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Dave Hansen]

On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 14:03 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote:
 So I'm curious if you are finding that the tracker is working?

The tracker is looking dead at the moment.

Anybody have suggestions for another tracker?

-- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Greg Troxel]

Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes:

 On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 14:03 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote:
 So I'm curious if you are finding that the tracker is working?

 The tracker is looking dead at the moment.

 Anybody have suggestions for another tracker?

I suspect that the problem with generally open trackers is that it's too
easy to get wrapped up in a DMCA mess when used in a way that someone
claims infringes copyright.

The basic bittorrent package comes with bittorrent-tracker, which can
run a tracker.  I haven't used it lately, but I remember from the last
time I did that you can set it up to only allow torrents that you
provide to it.  That keeps others from using your tracker, and thus
avoids difficulties due to copyright allegations.

I think you can place the torrents in a dir and in it:

  bittorrent-tracker \
--dfile dfile \
--port 6969 \
--allowed_dir . \
--pid ./tracker.pid


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 25-06-2011

[Dave Hansen]

On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 22:47 +0100, Dave Hansen wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
   http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
 
 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.  
 
   http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/25-06-2011

I've just added the code to generate torrents for these each time as
well.  Please let me know if they're working for you, and please
seed. ;)

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Dave Hansen]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:50 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote:
 I'm trying to download the 4G version, but it looks like the server
 may not be able to handle the load.  I'm wondering if anyone can put
 these up as a torrent feed? 

The question is who else would seed it. :)

Does anyone know of any handy command-line, scriptable tools to create
and seed torrents?

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-06-2011

[Steve Coast]

nice, was my first time seeing Lambertus's stuff too. Currently 
generating myself a WA file :-)


On 6/20/2011 3:45 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/19-06-2011

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red
rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update
if you had issues with the last set.

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the
factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a2GB file.

I got a report that the 2GB version doesn't fit on a 2GB card.  I reduced
the amount of space that each version uses by 5%.  Hopefully that will let
things fit better and allow for more space for stuff like track logs.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:50 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote:
 I'm trying to download the 4G version, but it looks like the server
 may not be able to handle the load.  I'm wondering if anyone can put
 these up as a torrent feed?

 The question is who else would seed it. :)

 Does anyone know of any handy command-line, scriptable tools to create
 and seed torrents?

Not that I've done this stuff before, but I'd look at opentracker,
mktorrent, and using HTTP seeding:

http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/
http://mktorrent.sourceforge.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Web_seeding

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 12:29 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
 Not that I've done this stuff before, but I'd look at opentracker,
 mktorrent, and using HTTP seeding:

 http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/
 http://mktorrent.sourceforge.net/

 mktorrent + HTTP seeding looks like just the trick.  I'm testing out a
 few of the images, but if anyone else wants to seed to help me make sure
 it works, go right ahead:

 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/

Hmm... it looks like the HTTP URL embedded in the torrent isn't quite
right as I'm getting a 404.  Looks like the URL is missing the
latest part of the directory, although I think it would be better to
use the 19-06-2011 link used.

GET /garmin/Lambertus/4000MB-lon_-164.58_to_156.05.gmapsupp.img HTTP/1.1

Range: bytes=32768-49151

User-Agent: Transmission/2.22

Host: daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org

Accept: */*

Accept-Encoding: gzip;q=1.0, deflate, identity



HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:56:44 GMT

Server: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu)

Content-Length: 349

Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1



!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN
htmlhead
title404 Not Found/title
/headbody
h1Not Found/h1
pThe requested URL
/garmin/Lambertus/4000MB-lon_-164.58_to_156.05.gmapsupp.img was not
found on this server./p
hr
addressApache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org
Port 80/address
/body/html

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 I'm regenerating a new set now.  How did you coax transmission in to
 giving you such nice debugging output?

It's called Wireshark :)

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Clifford Snow]

It appears to be working now.  I'll live mine torrent up a week or so.

Thanks,
Clifford

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 19:06 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
  On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
   mktorrent + HTTP seeding looks like just the trick.  I'm testing out a
   few of the images, but if anyone else wants to seed to help me make
 sure
   it works, go right ahead:
  
   http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/
 
  Hmm... it looks like the HTTP URL embedded in the torrent isn't quite
  right as I'm getting a 404.  Looks like the URL is missing the
  latest part of the directory, although I think it would be better to
  use the 19-06-2011 link used.
 
  GET /garmin/Lambertus/4000MB-lon_-164.58_to_156.05.gmapsupp.img HTTP/1.1

 Nice catch.  You saved me having to debug what they heck my fat fingers
 did wrong. :)  Thanks!

 I'm regenerating a new set now.  How did you coax transmission in to
 giving you such nice debugging output?

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Josh Kraayenbrink]

Were is the .torrent file at? I will happily seed it.
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

[Dave Hansen]

I stuck them up next to the images.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/

Sorry for the top post :)

-- Dave

On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Josh Kraayenbrink j...@kraayenbrink.net wrote:

 Were is the .torrent file at? I will happily seed it.
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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 13-04-2011

[Dave Hansen]

On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 16:59 +0100, Dave Hansen wrote:
 
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
 http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
 
 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large
 longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.  
 
 http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/13-04-2011

I had to go update my script a bit since Lambertus's site got moved
around.  Please let me know if anyone has trouble with these.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 13-04-2011

[Richard Weait]

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

         http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/13-04-2011

 I had to go update my script a bit since Lambertus's site got moved
 around.  Please let me know if anyone has trouble with these.

Empty directory here.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 13-04-2011

[Dave Hansen]

On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 12:09 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
  http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/13-04-2011
 
  I had to go update my script a bit since Lambertus's site got moved
  around.  Please let me know if anyone has trouble with these.
 
 Empty directory here.

You're too quick for me! :)

The script ran but failed, puked, and spit out an email.  I'm running it
again right now, and I hoped that it would finish before anyone noticed.
It should be OK now.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 13-04-2011

[Richard Weait]

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 12:09 -0400, Richard Weait wrote:
 On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
          http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/13-04-2011
 
  I had to go update my script a bit since Lambertus's site got moved
  around.  Please let me know if anyone has trouble with these.

 Empty directory here.

 You're too quick for me! :)

 The script ran but failed, puked, and spit out an email.  I'm running it
 again right now, and I hoped that it would finish before anyone noticed.
 It should be OK now.

You and Lambertus are both awesome for doing this, among the many
things that you do for the OSM community.  Many, many thanks.  So many
wonderful people in this community, doing so many interesting things,
and so often sharing.

Just.  Thanks.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 13-04-2011

[Mike N]

It should be OK now.


  It worked here, the map section I looked at seems normal.   Thanks!

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 13-04-2011

[Dave Hansen]

On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 00:33 +0100, Dave Hansen wrote:
 These are based off of Lambertus's work here:
 
   http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
 
 I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a
 large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also cut them in large longitude
 swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.  
 
   http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/13-04-2011

Looks like Lambertus's service is down at the moment.  These didn't get
built correctly.  I fixed up my scripts a bit, and this should rebuild
one the service gets fixed.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 25-03-2010

[Dave Hansen]

On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 13:55 -0600, Val Kartchner wrote:
 Dave,
 
 I'm a regular contributor to OSM, and a subscriber to the US mailing
 list.
 
 I followed the link to the routable Garmin maps that you have made
 available.  I'm assuming that these are for the US since they are on the
 US mailing list.  However, the contiguous US (CONUS) goes from
 approximately -66.5 to -125.  I didn't see any of the ranges that you
 have that will go this far east in the western hemisphere.  Am I
 mistaken about the extent of CONUS?

So, this isn't the continental US that I'm talking about.  The algorithm
looks like this:

for each garmin image...
does it intersect a state polygon?
If so, add it to the set

The result will be clear if you look here:

http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php

in the very upper-right corner.  See the few Aleutian islands that cross
180/-180 longitude?

So, the images are named a bit strangely.  The names mean:

This image contains all of the tiles which have middle points
 between these two latitudes.

The end result is that I put the Aleutian island tile next to Maine.
I'm too lazy to fix it at the moment. :)

-- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-03-2010

[Dale Puch]

Drivers basically.  I have seen people (end users) try to add SDHC to older
palms by modifying or using a newer driver file.  Windows moble based
devices it is even easier to swap out some DLL's and get SDHC compatibility.

Dale

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 22:46 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote:
  So do all SD-cable Garmins handle huge map files equally well or not ?

 I think they should.  My 60csx didn't have SDHC support when I bought
 it, but it got magically added in a firmware update.  I'm still not sure
 how they did that.

 -- Dave


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-03-2010

[Bill Ricker]

So do all SD-cable Garmins handle huge map files equally well or not ?



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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-03-2010

[Dave Hansen]

On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 22:46 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote:
 So do all SD-cable Garmins handle huge map files equally well or not ?

I think they should.  My 60csx didn't have SDHC support when I bought
it, but it got magically added in a firmware update.  I'm still not sure
how they did that.

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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

[Apollinaris Schoell]

  To make a gmapsupp.img for all of the US, I was going to get a US
  extract of the planet, use splitter, and then use mkgmap with routing
  enabled.  I would then use gmapibuilder to put into RoadTrip so I can
  load the parts I want together with the proprietary map (for when I
  actually have to get somewhere :-(). That should address all three
  issues above.

 Cool!  Please do share when you get this done, it would be awesome.


have done it for whole north america. can provide the scripts if someone is
interested. Don't have webspace to host it. if someone can provide it I can
try to fully automate a weekly update.




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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

[Greg Troxel]

Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes:

 On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:50 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote:
 Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes:
 
   roads are disconnected at state boundaries due to being cut with a
   non-splitter tool.  (splitter has special logic to insert nodes on
   ways at tile boundaries.)  I think I had this problem when using
   e.g. massachusetts.osm.bz2 and vermont.osm.bz2 together into splitter
   - driving from central mass to vermont had routes reverting to basemap
   but when I crosssed into VT they became sensible.
 
   When making maps of a state, splitter makes tiles that fit the x/y
   bbox, and these will in general go beyond the state border.  When you
   do this with neighboring states, typically you'll get overlapping
   tiles that will have data in the state and no data out of state,
   mirror image.  It's not clear what the draw order is for areas covered
   by both tiles, but any particular order can't be right.

 Yeah, that's true.  But, take a look at the new set from Lambertus.  He
 does it with non-overlapping (generally) bounding boxes.  I'm not sure
 the second set I posted have this issue.

I had managed to forget all about what Lambertus has done.  His maps are
based on running splitter on the planet.  So the .img tile areas are a
proper division of the world, with no overlaps.  You can't necessarily
get exactly a state, but that's perfectly ok.


 To make a gmapsupp.img for all of the US, I was going to get a US
 extract of the planet, use splitter, and then use mkgmap with routing
 enabled.  I would then use gmapibuilder to put into RoadTrip so I can
 load the parts I want together with the proprietary map (for when I
 actually have to get somewhere :-(). That should address all three
 issues above.

 Cool!  Please do share when you get this done, it would be awesome.

I think the only thing missing in what I do now is to have a US extract,
and maybe enough RAM.  I've been working on getting good results from
mkgmap and asking lots of questions on the mkgmap-dev list.

I have attached the script I use to build maps, do-mkgmap.  I call it
as:

$ do-mkgmap massachusetts.osm.bz2 vermont.osm.bz2 []

This method the routing-broken-at-state-borders problem, but not the
overlapping tiles problem.  It should work with a united_states.osm.bz2;
apparently that's a high enough fraction of the size of the planet that
it isn't produced.



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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

[Dave Hansen]

On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 12:54 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote:
 This method the routing-broken-at-state-borders problem, but not the
 overlapping tiles problem.  It should work with a united_states.osm.bz2;
 apparently that's a high enough fraction of the size of the planet that
 it isn't produced.

Apollinaris sounds like he has a USA extract.  In any case, we really
should make one periodically and publish it.  There isn't one available
as far as I know.

I'm sure it isn't *horribly* difficult, but I haven't played with planet
files in a while.  I'm sure someone else can point us to the right way
much more quickly than I can figure it out.  I'm dumb. :)

-- Dave


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