Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Query re publishing tracks
Hi Tony, I would suggest browsing through the help forum, here's an example. https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/70677/gps-trace-is-not-searchable Traces in OSM are intended more an aid for editing than as usable data. You may want to rather consider creating routes and editing OSM. I know it's more work but also more useful long term. Perhaps you can get others to help in the Mountain Meanders group as a project. I'm sure you may also find some sort here when needed!! Just some thoughts, Good luck, I like what you are doing! John On Fri, 28 May 2021, 13:10 Tony Heher, wrote: > I have been using OSM for some time but am new to adding tracks. Is this > the right forum to ask a question? > > I have uploaded tracks and received an email confirming that they have > been accepted and published. However, they do not appear on the map if I > click *View Map.* > [image: image.png] > But if I click *Edit Map*, they are there. > > Can anyone advise what I am doing wrong? > > *Background*: This is part of the Mountain Meanders > <https://sites.google.com/view/mountain-meanders-new/Home> wiki which is > documenting around 200 climbing and scrambling routes in the Western Cape. > > ___ > Tony Heher > +27 82 654 5582 > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Daily Maverick - Joburg calls on techies to help map its streets
Just picked this up and thought there may be some interest perhaps on the group. http://firstthing.dailymaverick.co.za/article.php?id=79728&cid=2016-08-10#.V6xBEhLLnDs http://www.geojozi.joburg/ Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Creating maps to Mobile Apps
I have been playing with creating off-line data for rendering on a mobile device for business applications. I am working on a construction site and the data is useful for locating equipment, identifying offices, scheduling tests and maintenance etc.This is typically proprietary data, which can not be shared. There may also be cases where a mix of open and closed data could be provided as a service. e.g. A bank which wants it's branches mapped (open), as well as office layouts (closed). OSM open source tools really are great!! I thought this may interest others and I would be interested in sharing ideas with anyone who is interested and/ or has experience in osm data. 1) What I have been able to do so far: OSMAND for Android is my starting app. It provides a MapCreator to convert osm data to a off-line vector map, which also provides indexing so text searches are possible. It supports multiple vector maps and raster maps. josm provides the means to create the osm data file (I just need to remember not to upload, default when closing, or stay off-line). josm plug-in opendata is great for bulk import of points with metadata from Excel, csv or similar after coversion to Lat/ Lon WGS84. josm plug-in PicLayer allows importing a raster drawing as background. e.g. Plant layout or Aerial photos. Key coordinates are imported with opendata for alignment of the drawing/ photo. 2) What I would like to be able able to do: Export rasters (layouts and photos) directly to osm map tiles. That will allow Raster data to be viewed directly as a map layer. Customise the data that is converted by the OSMAND map creator. Option available via custom xml file Evaluate other apps that will do the same or better especially for iphone and Windows mobile. 3) Other going forward: Web based osm data / tile services (hosted or local). Any suggestions or other ideas (on or off list) on 2 especially would be appreciated. The Openstreetmap ZA list has become waaay too quiet recently. Hopefully this provides some food for thought and discussion on practical use of OSM. Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Thanks Grant/ Gerhardus, I did some checking too. There are three routes missing on the wiki and probably on the map too. I updated the wiki to show them https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain I agree, most Bus stops missing and those that are there are missing names etc. Another problem with Gautrain is that Stop numbers are volatile. When stops are added the stops are simply renumbered. Not a current problem but is it easily fixable (when it happens) or is it a manual process? Regards, John On 2 May 2014 19:09, Grant Slater wrote: > Hi, > > On 2 May 2014 16:15, "John" wrote: > > > > I may be able to get a list of all bus stops including GPS coordinates > directly from Gautrain. > > > > Awesome! Do it, we are still lacking the locations of most of the Gautrain > Bus stops... Rea Vaya bus stops are even worse. > > > Two questions: > > > > 1) What "permissions" do we need to get for this to be usable on OSM? > > It isn't a huge dataset, so I think a simple email or document from them > saying we (OpenStreetMap) may us the data would be sufficient. Forward the > approval email to me gr...@osmfoundation.org or legal@osmfoundation.orgfor > archiving. > > > 2) Is there someone who could assist to bulk load the data. > > > > Yes, I would be more than happy to convert to OSM format from whatever > they give you. (Even an excel document with lat/lon columns would be good) > > > On the second point I would be happy to do some preprocessing. e.g. > Correlation against against a list of what has already been captured. > > > > Once converted you can help me merge the data ;-) > > Kind regards, > Grant > > > Regards, > > John > > > > > > > > On 22 November 2013 08:46, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> > >> Copyright law cannot prohibit the manual reconstruction of > publically-available information any more than what it can control an > internet search engine like https://www.duckduckgo.com from indexing and > serving that information when you do a web search. There is, consequently, > no legal problem at all in looking at information on e.g. the official > Gautrain bus map, and updating OpenStreetMap based on this. > >> > >> Gerhardus' method is more in the "spirit of OpenStreetMap" though - as > OSM frowns upon the copying of information from commercial or proprietary > sources. > >> Ultimately - nobody will even know: there is no > legalistically-distinguishable difference between adding something because > you were there, vs adding something because you saw it on another map. > (Obviously you should only add things to the map that you have verified > actually exists.) > >> > >> When I added the gautrain bus routes that I have actually travelled on, > I still used the official gautrain bus map as a reference: to correlate the > positioning and get the metadata (stop numbers, etc). Nobody can prove > which one I used "more" though - their map, or my on-the-ground observation. > >> > >> I wouldn't worry too much. Grant needs to worry more, now that he's > added a "state secret" (Nkandla) to the map :-) > >> > >> -- > >> Dawid Loubser > >> > >> Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 20:46 + skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: > >>> > >>> Well ideally you should travel with GPS in hand and map the stops. > That way there is not licensing dispute at all and where the busses stop is > public knowledge that you have recorded in OSM. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 21 November 2013 19:08, John wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as > source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? > >>>> > >>>> We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit > different with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not > copying the map, simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask > permission? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < > gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
I may be able to get a list of all bus stops including GPS coordinates directly from Gautrain. Two questions: 1) What "permissions" do we need to get for this to be usable on OSM? 2) Is there someone who could assist to bulk load the data. On the second point I would be happy to do some preprocessing. e.g. Correlation against against a list of what has already been captured. Regards, John On 22 November 2013 08:46, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Copyright law cannot prohibit the manual reconstruction of > publically-available information any more than what it can control an > internet search engine like https://www.duckduckgo.com from indexing and > serving that information when you do a web search. There is, consequently, > no legal problem at all in looking at information on e.g. the official > Gautrain bus map, and updating OpenStreetMap based on this. > > Gerhardus' method is more in the "spirit of OpenStreetMap" though - as OSM > frowns upon the copying of information from commercial or proprietary > sources. > Ultimately - nobody will even know: there is no > legalistically-distinguishable difference between adding something because > you were there, vs adding something because you saw it on another map. > (Obviously you should only add things to the map that you have verified > actually exists.) > > When I added the gautrain bus routes that I have actually travelled on, I > still used the official gautrain bus map as a reference: to correlate the > positioning and get the metadata (stop numbers, etc). Nobody can prove > which one I used "more" though - their map, or my on-the-ground observation. > > I wouldn't worry too much. Grant needs to worry more, now that he's added > a "state secret" (Nkandla) to the map :-) > > -- > Dawid Loubser > > Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 20:46 + skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: > > Well ideally you should travel with GPS in hand and map the stops. That > way there is not licensing dispute at all and where the busses stop is > public knowledge that you have recorded in OSM. > > > > Regards > > > > On 21 November 2013 19:08, John wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. > > > How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as > source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? > > We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit different > with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not copying the map, > simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask permission? > > > Regards, > > John > > > > > On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < > gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just echoing Dawid, JOSM will be your friend for relational editing if > you not already using it. > > > >Regards > > > >On 21 November 2013 08:18, Dawid Loubser > wrote: > >Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is really > looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). > > With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid iD > (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am aware > of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the order > seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the relation, > just "open" the relation for editing, and in the left-hand toolbar, scroll > down to where the "members" are listed - you will see all members (in > order). > > Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing tasks like > these. > > Happy mapping! > (or do we say "Merry Mapping" this time of year...?) > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing > listTalk-ZA@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
and to become more than just for Gautrain... How difficult is it to add an age coundown to the bus time too, when you click on it? "Last Update: 08:43:13 SAST" becomes "Last Update : 08:43:13 SAST (2:32 min ago)" .. and a reminder to fix the two hour offset, actual time for the above was 6:43 A question: Is this timestamp from the source server (gautrain I presume) or do you add it? This is already really great. It seems to be the only browser based tool out there. All development of this type has moved to smart phones?? Regards, John On 5 December 2013 16:54, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Next-stop I think is best. It allows to become more than just for busses. > > Regards > On 5 Dec 2013 14:19, "Grant Slater" wrote: > >> On 21 November 2013 04:37, John wrote: >> > Thanks Grant, >> > >> > 1) I really like the live map. I have been looking for a browser based >> map >> > showing live buses!! I am sitting on the bus now and it is accurate >> > including buses going in the opposite direction. Sometimes it is less >> good >> > but then GT buddy and the official GT app show the same lack of data. >> > >> > Slight glitch is that update times are exactly two hours fast when >> clicking >> > on a bus. Pretty obvious what they should be so no problem. >> > >> >> I have improved the reliability and the timestamp bug: >> http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/ >> >> I really must get my act together and finish the "Bus countdown" >> site... to show ETA for next bus at any particular stop. >> >> I plan to launch the site publicly soon. Name suggestions appreciated. >> Ideas: bus-stop.co.za, next-bus.co.za, next-stop.org.za. >> >> / Grant >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Nkandla on OpenStreetMap
Congratulations to all who contributed to the some excellent, topical mapping. The image published by Techcentral really capture the extent of the development. http://www.techcentral.co.za/nkandla-hi-res-aerial-imagery-revealed/45198/ John On 23 November 2013 05:43, Glen Wilson <1tinsh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was disappointed to find there aren't any nodes tagged name=Nkandla, > barrier=gate. No, I couldn't resist! :-D -- Glen > > On 22-Nov-13 14:00, Grant Slater wrote: > > On 22 November 2013 06:36, Dawid Loubser > wrote: > > How poignant after the recent attempts of the ANC to hide information about > this disgrace. > > Oh? I hadn't noticed ;-) > > Most of the photos published over the last few months are taken from > along this track:http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=247556016 > > / Grant > > > > -- ><http://www.avast.com/> > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! > Antivirus<http://www.avast.com/>protection is active. > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
That's about how I mapped the m3 route. I can also do half of the four ways route that way. Not really practical for the rest. Regards, John Grant 082 686 2828 On 21 Nov 2013 22:47, "Gerhardus Geldenhuis" wrote: > Well ideally you should travel with GPS in hand and map the stops. That > way there is not licensing dispute at all and where the busses stop is > public knowledge that you have recorded in OSM. > > Regards > > > On 21 November 2013 19:08, John wrote: > >> Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. >> >> How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as >> source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? >> >> We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit different >> with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not copying the map, >> simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask permission? >> >> Regards, >> John >> >> >> >> On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < >> gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Just echoing Dawid, JOSM will be your friend for relational editing if >>> you not already using it. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> On 21 November 2013 08:18, Dawid Loubser wrote: >>> >>>> Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is really >>>> looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). >>>> >>>> With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid iD >>>> (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am aware >>>> of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the order >>>> seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the relation, >>>> just "open" the relation for editing, and in the left-hand toolbar, scroll >>>> down to where the "members" are listed - you will see all members (in >>>> order). >>>> >>>> Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing tasks >>>> like these. >>>> >>>> Happy mapping! >>>> (or do we say "Merry Mapping" this time of year...?) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dawid Loubser >>>> >>>> Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 06:37 +0200 skryf John: >>>> >>>> Thanks Grant, >>>> >>>> >>>> 1) I really like the live map. I have been looking for a browser >>>> based map showing live buses!! I am sitting on the bus now and it is >>>> accurate including buses going in the opposite direction. Sometimes it is >>>> less good but then GT buddy and the official GT app show the same lack of >>>> data. >>>> >>>> >>>> Slight glitch is that update times are exactly two hours fast when >>>> clicking on a bus. Pretty obvious what they should be so no problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2) A question: the wiki >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routes#Public_transport_routesstates >>>> "The order of the members in the relation should identical to the >>>> order in the timetable." for stops. I am using the standard browser editor >>>> (potlach successor) and am not sure how to check and edit the order of the >>>> stops. Can anyone help? >>>> >>>> >>>> 3) Finally I added some bus platforms at Midrand. Not sure if that >>>> works for other stations? >>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-25.99528&mlon=28.13624#map=18/-25.99528/28.13624&layers=T(Name >>>> rendering slightly out on transport maps) >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 November 2013 13:03, Grant Slater >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Talk-ZA, >>>> >>>> A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng & likely >>>> others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes. >>>> >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus >>>> >>>> I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom >>>> in): >>>> http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/ >>>> >>>> It also shows all th
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit different with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not copying the map, simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask permission? Regards, John On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just echoing Dawid, JOSM will be your friend for relational editing if you > not already using it. > > Regards > > > On 21 November 2013 08:18, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is really >> looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). >> >> With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid iD >> (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am aware >> of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the order >> seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the relation, >> just "open" the relation for editing, and in the left-hand toolbar, scroll >> down to where the "members" are listed - you will see all members (in >> order). >> >> Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing tasks like >> these. >> >> Happy mapping! >> (or do we say "Merry Mapping" this time of year...?) >> >> -- >> Dawid Loubser >> >> Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 06:37 +0200 skryf John: >> >> Thanks Grant, >> >> >> 1) I really like the live map. I have been looking for a browser based >> map showing live buses!! I am sitting on the bus now and it is accurate >> including buses going in the opposite direction. Sometimes it is less good >> but then GT buddy and the official GT app show the same lack of data. >> >> >> Slight glitch is that update times are exactly two hours fast when >> clicking on a bus. Pretty obvious what they should be so no problem. >> >> >> 2) A question: the wiki >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routes#Public_transport_routes states >> "The order of the members in the relation should identical to the order in >> the timetable." for stops. I am using the standard browser editor (potlach >> successor) and am not sure how to check and edit the order of the stops. >> Can anyone help? >> >> >> 3) Finally I added some bus platforms at Midrand. Not sure if that >> works for other stations? >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-25.99528&mlon=28.13624#map=18/-25.99528/28.13624&layers=T(Name >> rendering slightly out on transport maps) >> >> >> Regards, >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7 November 2013 13:03, Grant Slater >> wrote: >> >> Hi Talk-ZA, >> >> A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng & likely >> others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes. >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus >> >> I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom >> in): >> http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/ >> >> It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator="Gautrain Bus" >> >> Please help map the remaining bus stops :) >> Or check to see if the bus routes are correct. >> >> The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at >> the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be >> "optimised". >> Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it >> hasn't yet updated with all the routes. >> >> Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training >> or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm. >> >> Kind regards >> Grant >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> >> > ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing >> listTalk-ZA@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> >> > > > -- > Gerhardus Geldenhuis > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Thanks Grant, 1) I really like the live map. I have been looking for a browser based map showing live buses!! I am sitting on the bus now and it is accurate including buses going in the opposite direction. Sometimes it is less good but then GT buddy and the official GT app show the same lack of data. Slight glitch is that update times are exactly two hours fast when clicking on a bus. Pretty obvious what they should be so no problem. 2) A question: the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routes#Public_transport_routes states "The order of the members in the relation should identical to the order in the timetable." for stops. I am using the standard browser editor (potlach successor) and am not sure how to check and edit the order of the stops. Can anyone help? 3) Finally I added some bus platforms at Midrand. Not sure if that works for other stations? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-25.99528&mlon=28.13624#map=18/-25.99528/28.13624&layers=T(Name rendering slightly out on transport maps) Regards, John On 7 November 2013 13:03, Grant Slater wrote: > Hi Talk-ZA, > > A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng & likely > others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus > > I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom > in): > http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/ > > It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator="Gautrain Bus" > > Please help map the remaining bus stops :) > Or check to see if the bus routes are correct. > > The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at > the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be > "optimised". > Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it > hasn't yet updated with all the routes. > > Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training > or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm. > > Kind regards > Grant > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Name does not on display on view map using Id
Your browser may also be caching or a local proxy. On firefox for example I found this for updating the cache: Reload web page(s) and bypass the cache to refresh possibly outdated or corrupted files. - Press and hold Shift and left-click the Reload button. - Press "Ctrl + F5" or press "Ctrl + Shift + R" (Windows,Linux) - Press "Command + Shift + R" (MAC) Regards, John On 4 November 2013 14:23, Norman Woodward wrote: > Thanks Grant > > I did not realise it took so long. I think it's be over a week since I > added the town name for Mossel Bay. After your refresh I am still > getting some of the zoomed out tiles not having the name. I presume it > will still take a awhile for the tiles to be propagated. > I see you added the population (60,000). Where does one get that type of > info? I would also like to add the sagns_id as well. > > Norman > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Pretoria R80 southern extension
I raised the issues. These particular changes were made in June or July. I "repaired" some of the damage by marking the roads as proposed and breaking the links so that routing sw does not use them. Not sure that the user was ever blocked. His work has obviously not been reversed. Anyone know how to go about blocking the user and reversing his edits or has time to find out. I would certainly support this from the evidence I have found. There are a few positive changes he made but overall we are better off without them. Gerhardus referred to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes as a means but I never got there. See http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/marceldup/edits for changes made. Regards, John On 10 October 2013 10:50, Gerhardus Geldenhuis wrote: > I can possibly drive in that area tomorrow to lay this to rest... > > Regards > > > On 10 October 2013 10:39, Kieron Thwaites wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> While I'm not familiar with the area, we could likely use the NGI >> imagery to reconstruct the area (and tag with fixme=resurvey until >> someone takes a GPS through). The changeset was made a few months ago >> so reverting it may well be more trouble than it's worth. >> >> (Reminds me, I need to resurvey the N7 construction north of Cape Town >> sometime...) >> >> --K >> >> On 10 October 2013 09:57, Eon van Zyl wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The edits made by that user has been discussed in April and again in >> > August. >> > The conclusion was that it was highway graffiti and the user has been >> > blocked. >> > Would be great if someone who knows the area can fix it. >> > >> > Regards. >> > Eon >> > >> > On Oct 10, 2013 9:24 AM, "Francois Pienaar" wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> The last time I drove past there was in May, but I can't remember any >> >> roadworks of the scale depicted in OSM. I don't think that road exists >> >> because it would've made a big >> >> difference in traffic flow in the area. It might be a "planned" road, >> >> but >> >> no construction activity yet as far as I know. >> >> >> >> Francois >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Kieron Thwaites >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Talk-ZA, >> >>> >> >>> After the recent discussion on the Pretoria N4 Offramp feed road, I >> >>> was browsing through the area and discovered a southern extension to >> >>> the R80 (from its infamous 270 degree bend) through the Magaliesburg >> >>> to the R55. >> >>> >> >>> Does anyone know if this actually exists? I can't find any >> >>> information on it (still digging though!), and aerial imagery shows >> >>> absolutely nothing there. >> >>> >> >>> Here's the changeset that added it: >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16699711 >> >>> >> >>> --K >> >>> [http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kelerei] >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> Talk-ZA mailing list >> >>> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> >> >> > >> > ___ >> > Talk-ZA mailing list >> > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > > > -- > Gerhardus Geldenhuis > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Some elaborate fantasy/ proposed changes added
I just picked up some more highway graffiti. Does anyone have time to follow this through? I am snowed under. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/227346951 Same signature: Edited at: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:43:52 + Edited by: marceldup Version: 1 In changeset: 16699711 Real picture: http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/?lat=-25.70479&lon=28.1364&zoom=15&layers=B0 Regards, John On 18 May 2013 08:07, John wrote: > Hi All, > > I have had some discussion off-line over the last week with Gerhardus > and Grant off-line. Thanks, your support appreciated!! > > I need your assistance to evaluate changes in the areas you are > familiar with and to confirm the way forward. > > In summary: > > There are a number a changes that were made which do not reflect > current status on the ground. I have also done some initial fixes on > ways of "ghost" ways familiar to me by marking the main ways as > Construction or Proposed. > > I have sent messages to the marceldup but no response. The messages > did not specifically ask for one. > > If this is an innocent newbie expecting him (her) to fix the problems > is probably unrealistic. I think we will just have more to evaluate > later. > > From my evaluation of areas I know I believe there is much > significantly more more damage than value added by the changes made. I > would therefore recommend reversing all the changes. If it would be > possible to find and add back "good" changes afterwards that would be > first prize. > > I did manage to find a way to visualise the changes made (Viva Open > source!!) using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_History_Viewer > > The changessets are: > > 15782102 April 19, 2013 11:42 > (none) > > 15772025 April 18, 2013 12:06 > (none) > > 15771123 April 18, 2013 10:38 > (none) > > 15762241 April 17, 2013 15:56 > (none) > > 15760234 April 17, 2013 11:36 > (none) > > 15750670 April 16, 2013 15:22 > New Pretoria East > > Ref: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/marceldup/edits > > To view the changes with OSM_History_Viewer use the link > http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/changeset.jsp?id=15772025 > where id= changeset number above > > Changeset 15782102 unfortunately returns an error. It includes > reduction of the golf course behind Pretoria East Hospital and roads > added where that used to be. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.823021&lon=28.30124&zoom=16&layers=M&way=4261732 > > Any suggestions support welcome > > Regards, > John > > On 12 May 2013 21:34, John wrote: >> Thanks, It would be good if you can try to resolve this directly. >> >> I agree most users have good intentions. You actually don't really expect >> malicious behaviour. >> >> John >> >> On 12 May 2013 9:22 PM, "Gerhardus Geldenhuis" >> wrote: >> >> Hi John, >> You see to have taken the neccesary steps to contact the user privately to >> resolve the issue and to get a bit more clarity with regards to what he/she >> were trying to do. I would say the next course of action would be to >> potentially get the OSM admins involved to contact the user and/or flag all >> future edits for the user to be reviewed. I am happy to contact the user >> privately if you want to see if it could be resolved amicably. If he/she >> does not respond at all then following steps in the vandalism link you >> included would probably be the way forward. >> >> The problem of data quality is always going to be looming in the background >> and I believe more mature processes will develop to safeguard data quality >> as OSM matures. There is people that are uploading professionally surveyed >> data so the quality can be very high. I believe that the vast majority of >> people have good intentions and want it to be a better map. There is a >> careful balance to be struck between encouraging new users and pointing out >> problems with their contributions. The problems you describing does not >> sound like new user problems though. >> >> I have just myself reviewed contributions from other individuals to areas on >> the SA map to which I have contributed weeks of my time mapping. One tends >> to become very attached when having spend so much time ensuring good quality >> mapping. I would certainly not appreciate any wrong data in my areas of >> mapping. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> On 12 May 2013 20:00, John wrote: >>> >>> I agree that if they are proposed or U... >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Tagging ground signs
Good idea and some thoughts: They are definitely landmarks. Normally there is not mauch else where they are. Therefore definitely cartographic value. They may be South African only, not sure. Would be interesting to hear once you start the process. I like the idea of using ways and areas to depict them and points to start off with. Many objects can be defined as both points and areas (and lines). Refer "Element" column on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features There are major man-made pictures going back thousands of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines in Peru and hundreds of meters in size. Not quite the same reason for making them but a similar concept from a mapping perspective and perhaps this or something similar could be used. See the Monkey: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-14.706994&lon=-75.138435&zoom=18&layers=M This is tagged man_made=geoglyph There I hit a dead-end Regards, John On 19 May 2013 14:59, Gerhardus Geldenhuis wrote: > Hi > I don't think there is that many... I have seen the Riversdale one yesterday > purely by chance. I agree that they are worth mapping whether they warrant a > way is debatable but I am sure the owners of the various signs would want > them to be as prominent as possible, and ideally would like them rendered on > maps. I would personally tag such signs with a node, for example the cross > found on a hill in Rustenburg is very prominent visible in the night from > the ground but because it is vertical is not clearly visible from the > imagery. I would through it out to the wider OSM community. The other side > is also that if there is enough usage of a set of tags then it becomes the > norm. > > Regards > > > On 19 May 2013 12:29, Glen Wilson <1tinsh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everybody >> >> It seems a not uncommon practice to for place names to be marked in huge >> writing (on a hillside). They're very visible and have, I feel, some >> cartographic value. >> >> Below is the start of a new tagging proposal. I thought I'd throw it open >> to the list first before going to all the effort of putting something >> useless on the OSM Wiki. This is just a start and I'll probably add more >> detail and examples as time allows. I haven't done much tagging of these >> objects because I've only just figured out what to tag them with. >> >> Tagging >> I propose placing a way over the name from left to right (of the word, so >> if it's upside down in you editor...) then tagging it with >> tourism=ground_sign name=*. That would probably be sufficient for the >> Riversdale example. For the Oord / Resort example, the way would simply >> contain multiple nodes to make it go around the corner. >> >> Often these the signs are pictures, or written in a weird font that a >> renderer like Mapnik can't do justice to. For these I propose tracing what >> you see on the ground and simply leaving the name=* tag blank. You can >> still include the name by putting the letters you draw into a relation and >> tagging that with name=* (all the better to be able to search for it). The >> markings near Wakkerstroom might require this method. >> >> Filled shapes can be created by using closed ways and multipolygon >> relations. I haven't come across such examples, but I'm sure they're out >> there. >> >> Supplementary tags >> >> width=* to specify how wide a line should be drawn >> color=* (or colour=?) to specify what you think it specifies >> surface=* or something similar to say what it's made of. >> >> >> Examples >> >> Riversdale near guess where: >> http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/?zoom=18&layers=B0&lat=-34.1142101&lon=21.2524555 >> Oord/Resort marking near Gariep Dam: >> http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/?zoom=18&layers=B0&lat=-30.5875051&lon=25.5080875 >> Voortrekker markings near Wakkerstroom: >> http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/?zoom=18&layers=B0&lat=-27.3728169&lon=30.1580294 >> >> I'm curious if these appear anywhere else in the world, or if it's just a >> local thing. There are other considerations too, like are ground_sign and >> tourism the best tag names to use (think about highway=road and >> highway=unclassified for an OSM newbie) >> >> What'd'ya think about that? >> >> Later >> >> Glen >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > > > > -- > Gerhardus Geldenhuis > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] OpenStreetMap now supports Map Notes
Can anyone help a Notes newby?? Is it possible to undo/ reinstate a "resolve" action on notes? Or do I just add another note next to the old one?? I just clicked the resolve button thinking it would take me to edit screen in order to attempt a resolve. Regards, John On 2 May 2013 13:07, Gerhardus Geldenhuis wrote: > Hi > > > OpenStreetMap has just launched a new function that allows anyone to easily > add a note to the map while browsing www.openstreetmap.org > > > The motivation is to lower the the barrier for contributing to OSM. If you > see something missing on the map, a mistake or inaccuracy but you do not > have the time to edit or correct the map, you can now add a note so that > others can respond and action. > > > To “add a note”, click on the link at the bottom right of the OSM website. > There is no need to login to add a note, but if you do it will be saved > under your profile. > > > Example of notes: > > Missing Pick n Pay > > Address here should be 27 Church Street > > Imagery could not be used to resolve, needs on-the-ground survey > > > Mobile site to add notes: > > http://osmlab.github.io/mobile-note/ > > > Stats for notes: > > http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes > > > Further details: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes > > > Regards > > > > -- > Gerhardus Geldenhuis > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Some elaborate fantasy/ proposed changes added
Hi All, I have had some discussion off-line over the last week with Gerhardus and Grant off-line. Thanks, your support appreciated!! I need your assistance to evaluate changes in the areas you are familiar with and to confirm the way forward. In summary: There are a number a changes that were made which do not reflect current status on the ground. I have also done some initial fixes on ways of "ghost" ways familiar to me by marking the main ways as Construction or Proposed. I have sent messages to the marceldup but no response. The messages did not specifically ask for one. If this is an innocent newbie expecting him (her) to fix the problems is probably unrealistic. I think we will just have more to evaluate later. >From my evaluation of areas I know I believe there is much significantly more more damage than value added by the changes made. I would therefore recommend reversing all the changes. If it would be possible to find and add back "good" changes afterwards that would be first prize. I did manage to find a way to visualise the changes made (Viva Open source!!) using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_History_Viewer The changessets are: 15782102 April 19, 2013 11:42 (none) 15772025 April 18, 2013 12:06 (none) 15771123 April 18, 2013 10:38 (none) 15762241 April 17, 2013 15:56 (none) 15760234 April 17, 2013 11:36 (none) 15750670 April 16, 2013 15:22 New Pretoria East Ref: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/marceldup/edits To view the changes with OSM_History_Viewer use the link http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/changeset.jsp?id=15772025 where id= changeset number above Changeset 15782102 unfortunately returns an error. It includes reduction of the golf course behind Pretoria East Hospital and roads added where that used to be. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.823021&lon=28.30124&zoom=16&layers=M&way=4261732 Any suggestions support welcome Regards, John On 12 May 2013 21:34, John wrote: > Thanks, It would be good if you can try to resolve this directly. > > I agree most users have good intentions. You actually don't really expect > malicious behaviour. > > John > > On 12 May 2013 9:22 PM, "Gerhardus Geldenhuis" > wrote: > > Hi John, > You see to have taken the neccesary steps to contact the user privately to > resolve the issue and to get a bit more clarity with regards to what he/she > were trying to do. I would say the next course of action would be to > potentially get the OSM admins involved to contact the user and/or flag all > future edits for the user to be reviewed. I am happy to contact the user > privately if you want to see if it could be resolved amicably. If he/she > does not respond at all then following steps in the vandalism link you > included would probably be the way forward. > > The problem of data quality is always going to be looming in the background > and I believe more mature processes will develop to safeguard data quality > as OSM matures. There is people that are uploading professionally surveyed > data so the quality can be very high. I believe that the vast majority of > people have good intentions and want it to be a better map. There is a > careful balance to be struck between encouraging new users and pointing out > problems with their contributions. The problems you describing does not > sound like new user problems though. > > I have just myself reviewed contributions from other individuals to areas on > the SA map to which I have contributed weeks of my time mapping. One tends > to become very attached when having spend so much time ensuring good quality > mapping. I would certainly not appreciate any wrong data in my areas of > mapping. > > Regards > > > > > On 12 May 2013 20:00, John wrote: >> >> I agree that if they are proposed or U... > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Some elaborate fantasy/ proposed changes added
Thanks, It would be good if you can try to resolve this directly. I agree most users have good intentions. You actually don't really expect malicious behaviour. John On 12 May 2013 9:22 PM, "Gerhardus Geldenhuis" < gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi John, You see to have taken the neccesary steps to contact the user privately to resolve the issue and to get a bit more clarity with regards to what he/she were trying to do. I would say the next course of action would be to potentially get the OSM admins involved to contact the user and/or flag all future edits for the user to be reviewed. I am happy to contact the user privately if you want to see if it could be resolved amicably. If he/she does not respond at all then following steps in the vandalism link you included would probably be the way forward. The problem of data quality is always going to be looming in the background and I believe more mature processes will develop to safeguard data quality as OSM matures. There is people that are uploading professionally surveyed data so the quality can be very high. I believe that the vast majority of people have good intentions and want it to be a better map. There is a careful balance to be struck between encouraging new users and pointing out problems with their contributions. The problems you describing does not sound like new user problems though. I have just myself reviewed contributions from other individuals to areas on the SA map to which I have contributed weeks of my time mapping. One tends to become very attached when having spend so much time ensuring good quality mapping. I would certainly not appreciate any wrong data in my areas of mapping. Regards On 12 May 2013 20:00, John wrote: > > I agree that if they are proposed or U... ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Some elaborate fantasy/ proposed changes added
I agree that if they are proposed or Under Construction they can be added and marked as such. That adds value. It may also be that that is the intention and there is a lack of knowledge. This is why I marked the main portion of the Alexandra Rd example as Construction and then sent a message to the author. My concern is that this may be just someone "having fun" or doing some University research to see how long it takes to fix problems like this in OSM. I think like other Wiki type systems this is always a threat. If anything this would fall under vandalism rather than dispute. Refer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism I don't want to jump to the wrong conclusion and therefore wanted to check with others on the user group who know the areas in which changes have been made. Here is my opinion of what I have seen: In all the examples the proposals are certainly possible although some are more elaborate than I would expect, all are future. If this is honest or "playing" I can't say. Perhaps someone else on the list has some insight or has possible noticed changes in other areas which they are familiar with. The first example, Alexandra, is certainly proposed although I would be surprised to see such an elaborate intersection on Nelmapius. Vd Bijl extension may also be proposed and parts of the way shown have construction started. My guess without source given is that some fantasy is included. Glen Austin interchange IMHO almost definitely fantasy. Some of the current roads has even been deleted. Midstream road again could be proposed, but could also could be imagined. Here is another example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.94185&lon=28.13667&zoom=16&way=217841674This road has been doubled and leads over the highway to the road to Olifantsfontein. All NEW, proposed?? My current suspicion is vandalism but I would be very happy to be proved wrong. OSM is currently a great source of map data. With the increased need for "off-line" data with Smart phone apps etc., OSM is an obvious choice. The problem is that users are more easily chased away by bad data than won back, ask any marketer. Therefore we need to find ways to jealously guard quality. I was recently in Mozambique without roaming and OSM data (OSMAND) was great!! Regards, John On 12 May 2013 1:53 AM, "Gerhardus Geldenhuis" < gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I am not sure what the issues are. The roads seems to be correctly tagged but I don't live in the area so don't know. If they are only proposed roads and is marked as such that is fine. If you feel that mapping from the user is blatantly wrong then read this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes Regards On 11 May 2013 22:50, John wrote: > > > > 1) A few weeks ago I noticed on OSMAND that a proposed portion of > > Alexander Rd had been mapped... > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > -- Gerhardus Geldenhuis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Some elaborate fantasy/ proposed changes added
1) A few weeks ago I noticed on OSMAND that a proposed portion of Alexander Rd had been mapped. I changed some of these roads to construction, I also sent a message to the mapper: marceldup suggesting to tag For Construction with some explanation http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.86432&lon=28.2322&zoom=15&layers=M&way=217771682 2) I was browsing today and discovered new sections of vd Bijl Ave, Sunninghill added between Maxwell Drive and Alandale including a bridge over the highway. (I have updated most of it to Proposed) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.03365&lon=28.09977&way=220947005&zoom=15&layers=Men Austin near Olifants and this new rd from 3) Since this was also use marceldup I looked into other changes done by him/her. I discovered this interesting interchange in Glen Austin near Olifantsfontein and a new road from Midstream http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.95527&lon=28.18379&way=217844102&zoom=15&layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.94519&lon=28.18246&zoom=15&layers=M&way=178933001 This obviously does not add to the quality of the maps. Any ideas how this should be addressed? Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Updated CD:NGI Aerial Imagery Now Available
Thanks Grant, Great work, keep it up. John On 8 January 2013 16:19, Grant Slater wrote: > On 8 January 2013 14:01, John wrote: > > Hi Grant, > > > > The imagery is fantastic/ fast and VERY up to date. There is now no > excuse > > for being able to do accurate mapping on even the smallest of towns in > SA. > > > > Is the imagery updated as new images become available? It has to be newer > > than 2008, probably 2012 in some areas!! > > > > Yes, I will try keep the imagery updated as CD:NGI make additional > imagery available. All the imagery so far has been collected in person > from CD:NGI in Mowbray, Cape Town. The aerial.openstreetmap.org.za > server is located in London. > > Yes, over 45% of the imagery was captured in the last 2 years... > Breakdown: > - 2012: 17.8% > - 2011: 27.6% > - 2010: 21.1% > - 2009: 28.8% > - 2008: 4.7% > > / Grant > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Updated CD:NGI Aerial Imagery Now Available
Hi Grant, The imagery is fantastic/ fast and VERY up to date. There is now no excuse for being able to do accurate mapping on even the smallest of towns in SA. Is the imagery updated as new images become available? It has to be newer than 2008, probably 2012 in some areas!! Regards, John On 2 January 2013 03:13, Grant Slater wrote: > On 31 December 2012 12:31, Grant Slater > wrote: > > > > The imagery should also finally be moved to a beefier/faster server > > within the next 24 hours. > > > > The imagery is now running on a much faster server. Let me know if > anyone experiences any issues. > > / Grant > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Koffiekraal mapping
Hi Jirka, To get some context is this the Koffiekraal you are referring to? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.529&lon=27.416&zoom=9&mlat=-25.27556&mlon=26.4&layers=M If so it it pretty unmapped!! Bing only covers it at lowest resolution. Do you plan to camp out there?? It will definitely need local support. All the best, Regards, John On 21 August 2012 10:33, Jirka Panek wrote: > Hi, > > I am a GIS researcher from the Czech Republic > (http://www.development.upol.cz/cs_CZ/lide/jiri-panek) and currently I > am visiting the University of South Africa (UNISA), where we do > participatory mapping/GIS in village called Koffiekraal (NW). We would > like to use this place as an example how participatory community > mapping can look like in order to empower local communities and "place > it on a map". > > I wanted to ask, if there are any volunteers who would like to help me > mapping the Koffiejkraal village, as there is basically nothing on OSM > so far. > > Thanks and keep well > > JirkaPanek > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] M1 looks weird
I picked this up 2 or 3 months ago and was also wondering where to start. I picked it up because a routing failure. The history also looked quite old although not sure I was reading that correctly. It does look like duplicates and it is quite extensive on the M1. John On 20 July 2012 20:33, David Richfield wrote: > What is going on here? > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.170116&lon=28.045467&zoom=18&layers=M > > I can't make out whether someone tried to put separate lanes in, or > whether it's just been duplicated. > > -- > David Richfield > [[:en:User:Slashme]] > +27718539985 > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: Licence Change - Help Needed
Misread the table first time. Nonetheless got one positive response. > http://odbl.poole.ch/south_africa_and_lesotho-20120213-20120328-poly.html Have now sent messages to the eight on your list and next 4, down to Thys (rank 217) Messages were mostly copy and paste from your text with a request to consider accepting new license. John -- Forwarded message -- From: John Date: 30 March 2012 18:58 Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Licence Change - Help Needed To: Grant Slater Thanks for the heads up Grant, I have sent a messages via the osm message service on the following via osm home pages. This normally sends a message to their registered email address to inform them of the message. I sent to the following: jkjk , ulfl , rendle , moonwashed and Markus B There are some smaller users too but not much loss there. Regards, John On 30 March 2012 15:54, Grant Slater wrote: > > Talk-ZA, > > It hasn't been discussed here, but as some of you know OpenStreetMap > is changing from the CC BY-SA license to the Open Database License > (ODbL) starting on Sunday. > > Contributors who signed up before 12th May 2010 need to agree > otherwise the project will be unable to use their contributors and > their contributions will be removed from the map next week. > Contributors who signed after 12th May 2010 have already agreed while > signing up. ;-) > > South Africa has very good acceptance rates of over 98% for the map data. > > BUT! We need to track down the last few users and ask them to Agree to > the new license by logging-in and clicking agree (or decline if they > wish). > > Please help track down: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jan%20de%20Jager - Jan de Jager - > Johannesburg > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/EDWARD%20J - Northern Suburbs in Cape Town > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Carel%20Olivier - Port Elizabeth > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Gawie - Small bits all over SA > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bhonermann - JHB > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kevnewman - JHB > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PhilipK (Case Sensitive username) - JHB > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/besem - Pretoria > > The full list: > http://odbl.poole.ch/south_africa_and_lesotho-20120213-20120328-poly.html > ** Please check the list if you have multiple accounts ** > > If the user's email address has changed and they are unable to > login/reset password please ask them to email > webmas...@openstreetmap.org with details and we'll get it fixed up > ASAP. > > At the moment we'd lose a few areas in north Cape Town and south > Johannesburg / Soweto. > See: > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=25.06787&lat=-28.39720&zoom=6 > > Regards > Grant > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Tagging "agricultural holdings"/plots
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Land_use_and_areas_of_natural_land May not help but as good an answer as any :-) John On 14 December 2011 18:48, Andrew Gillespie wrote: > I suppose it comes down to what is the primary use of the land is. > "Recreational agriculture" suggests the land is residential primarily. I too > grow veggies in my tiny garden, but it is "recreational farming" and the > property is a city residence. Otherwise the only difference is size and I > don't think that should be what determines the category. > > Little Andrew, > recreational farmer :-) > > > > > > On 14 Dec 2011, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I'm a little stuck on how to tag the place "agricultural holdings"/plots. >> landuse=residential is too urban, landuse=farmland is too rural, and the >> validator shouts at me if I use landuse="User Defined". Tagwatch didn't >> shed any light either. >> >> What's a plot? >> It's a piece of privately owned land, usually 1-3ha in size. It's used >> for residential *and* (recreational) agricultural use. Because of the size >> of the properties, houses are sparsely spaced. >> >> Some examples can be found at -26.093, 28.3458. >> >> The best I can come up with is landuse=agricultural_holdings, but I'm not >> sure if this will make sense in an international context (and surely they >> have such things in other parts of the world). Use would be similar to >> landuse=residential. >> >> -- Glen >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] OSM cellphone apps?
I have had most success with osmand. Off-line maps can be easily created with a java program. Routing needs on-line access. You can also route via gpx download or saved track. It sometimes get's confused if you are not using the track from the beginning of the route or if you turn off network access during routing with an on-line route. I have not paid for the upgrade and so am using an old version. Updates no longer supported on market without paying although the updates are also available opensource. I use gosmore for off-line routing. With my phone it seems the UI is not stable but perhaps it also needs an upgrade. I will also try to download maps again and see if I have more success this time. Using Samsung GT-5500 which is at the bottom of the Android specs I think. Android 2.1. I have also installed GPSopt which resets the GPS to be able to get a fix. It works for my phone. Regards, John On 22 September 2011 12:28, Nic Roets wrote: > I use > * Gosmore but do not download the maps. > You can download an SA extract from http://osmu.org/sa.zip Then > unzip it in /sdcard , e.g. /sdcard/gosmore/gosmore.pak > * Mapquest, but it eats band with > * KeypadMapper2 for editing > * Vespucci for editing > * Osmand was slow on my phone, but other people had more luck. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Damjan Jovanovic > wrote: > >> Hi >> >> What good free cellphone GPS apps do you guys use with OSM? >> >> GPSMID is meant to be good, but it doesn't even start on my Blackberry >> 9000 Bold with OS version 4 (it needs 5 minimum), and the Android beta >> version on my Samsung Galaxy S2 is unusable: the search feature fills >> the entire screen with an alphanumeric keypad and nothing can be >> typed. >> >> Navit works on the Samsung Galaxy S2, but search never finds any >> results, even for major roads in Joburg. >> >> Thank you >> Damjan >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Mapping smaller towns by area first
Thanks Adrian, A possible problem I see with place=town and taking over the SAGNS data is knowing the extent of the town or is it simply what we perceive to be the town. This becomes more subjective for place=suburb. The data must be available and I would guess should be public domain but that is a recurring theme :-( Perhaps this is the nature of a community effort. Is it possible to access "Landsat WMS" available on Potlatch?? John On 26 July 2010 22:56, Adrian Frith wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 20:17 +0200, John Grant wrote: > > I really like the idea of mapping smaller towns by area to start with and > > would like to get some comment. > > > > e.g. Secunda and Trichardt > > ( > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.5266&lon=29.1908&zoom=12&layers=M ) > > I have also noticed it in some areas of the East Rand done like this. > > The areas I have seen are simply tagged landuse=residential (or > industrial). > > Where a name is included it often duplicates the sagns data already > loaded. > > Perhaps it should replace the existing sagns node and it's details?? > > > > I first noticed this used on maps produced by Tracks 4 africa and often > this > > is a very rough area. It adds immidiate value to the map by providing a > good > > indication of the size of the town as well as the extent to which the > town > > has and has not been mapped. > > > > It is quick and easy and can be done from the Yahoo image even at the > > worst resolution. One of the problems with mapping smaller towns is that > the > > yahoo image resolution is very low. This means they can effectively only > be > > mapped with GPS which takes a while to complete, especially given the > lack of > > mappers in these areas. > > > > Any thoughts, tagging rules etc?? Part of a first line strategy to start > > putting smaller towns on the map?? > > Hi John, > > It seems like a good idea to me. I would suggest that the areas might be > tagged with "place=town" as well. If the area refers to the same thing > as a SAGNS node, then the SAGNS data should be transferred to the area > and the node deleted, in my opinion. > > By the way, in areas without high-res Yahoo images, the Landsat WMS is > actually slightly better than the low-res Yahoo. Still not good enough > to see individual roads, though. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Mapping smaller towns by area first
I really like the idea of mapping smaller towns by area to start with and would like to get some comment. e.g. Secunda and Trichardt ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.5266&lon=29.1908&zoom=12&layers=M ) I have also noticed it in some areas of the East Rand done like this. The areas I have seen are simply tagged landuse=residential (or industrial). Where a name is included it often duplicates the sagns data already loaded. Perhaps it should replace the existing sagns node and it's details?? I first noticed this used on maps produced by Tracks 4 africa and often this is a very rough area. It adds immidiate value to the map by providing a good indication of the size of the town as well as the extent to which the town has and has not been mapped. It is quick and easy and can be done from the Yahoo image even at the worst resolution. One of the problems with mapping smaller towns is that the yahoo image resolution is very low. This means they can effectively only be mapped with GPS which takes a while to complete, especially given the lack of mappers in these areas. Any thoughts, tagging rules etc?? Part of a first line strategy to start putting smaller towns on the map?? John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Downloading gps traces- Ponta Malongane
I am going to Ponta Malongane in southern Mozambique and would like to download the gpx traces. http://osm.org/go/k2tz9ZA--?node=619885951 Is there a way to do this via web interface or do I need to use an external editting tool like JOSM? Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Chris Hani Baragwanath
Looks great David, Well done The email link on their IT dept web page http://www.chrishanibaragwanathhospital.co.za/departments/it/show may be a good start: prb...@mweb.co.za They have a pathetic (by comparison) Google map http://www.chrishanibaragwanathhospital.co.za/contact which they may be prepared to replace :-) Looks like a real service you have done for them!! Regards, John On Monday 17 May 2010 21:22, David Richfield wrote: > Hi all, > > The biggest hospital in the world is in our backyard, and only today > has been added to OSM. I don't know the extent of the hospital. Do > any of you have a clue? Maybe there are some sources which will help > us to identify the boundaries on Yahoo imagery? I marked some of the > roads there as access=private, but I'm not quite sure of the location > of the one gate: I only had my cellphone for track recording (I was on > a corporate social responsibility trip, so I didn't bring the laptop). > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.2669&lon=27.94729&zoom=15&mlat=-26.26 >202&mlon=27.94501 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Mio Moov GPS now only R800
Hi Nic, I see the special is still on and looks like an extremely good deal. Reviews look good for a low end device. I am interested in testing it over the w/e. I have a SD card with Gosmore loaded and working on HTC. What else do I need to make this work? In many ways this is the best of both world. 1- Commercial map with good overall coverage. 2- Up to date OSM map to complement the other. Most commercial gps navigation devices no longer support tracking. It looks like the Mio Moov does not either. I presume however this would be possible with Gosmore or similar. Good sensitivity with SiRFstar III chipset Probably the only downside is Windows Mobile after my poor overall experience with my HTC TyTN. Unstable, no support, clears data off memory card at will but hopefully things have improved and the recovery DVD seems to off a clean reinstall. On Thursday 22 April 2010 10:59, Nic Roets wrote: > Wow, these things are just getting cheaper and cheaper. > > http://www.game.co.za/portal/game2009/UserFiles/SysDocs/bb_content_countryl >eaflets/rsa/leaflet-rsa-2010-04-22-27.gif > > "Jailbreaking" this Mio is extremely simple : It has the bundled maps > and app on internal flash. It also has an SD card slot. If place the > right files on an SD card, you can run your favourite WinCE software > (e.g. Gosmore) by just inserting it. When you want to return to Mio > Maps, just slide the on switch to reset and back. > > Battery life is 4 hours, so it's not limited to in-car use. > > Regards, > Nic > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- John Grant john@gmail.com 082 686 2828 012 667 2645 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] FW: Introduction and tagging question
The Germans seem to know something about wine and vineyards :-) (Area) landuse=vineyard (Node or area) tourism=wine_cellar + name=* + shop=winery in case of wine sales Source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Howto_Map_A Search Weinberg on page Two other references (search wine on pages) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/POI_Types Enjoy the mapping and the wine!! Regards, John On Wednesday 05 May 2010 14:14, Bryan Devine wrote: > Thanks David & Nic for your suggestions. > > I find this whole tagging thing very complicated. I've tried your > suggestions at > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.834918&lon=18.593645&zoom=18 but when > just viewing the map, nothing appears at all. Is this because there is no > icon associated with amenity=winery, hence the suggestion about the entry > at trac? > > That whole trac thing looks way beyond me at the moment though. > > Could you possibly look at what I've done and see if it's right before I > add any more? > > Having read the "don't tag for the renderer" thread, I fully understand > your reservations about using the amenity=bar tag. Pity though, as the icon > is almost right! It fascinates me that there isn't an icon for a wine farm > anywhere in the world - not even France, Germany or California shows one. > > Bryan > > PS. Seems that putting the talk-za@ address in the Cc and not in the To.. > field means that the e-mail doesn't reach the list? > > > > > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] FW: x
Beware, Googled www.like188.com. Most of the hits showed exactly the same text as this email including same punctuation and spacing. Stef, do you have some sort of virus on your machine? Regards John On Tuesday 04 May 2010 15:57, Stef Steiner wrote: >Hey，good news! > I ordered one Nokia N900 from this website www.like188.com one weeks ago, > today I've got it . Amazing,beyond my imagination, it's genuine and as good > as expected,but much cheaper. I'm pleased to share this good news with you! > May all goes well for you. > > Best regards.Im > _ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Southern Africa ut-of copyright raster maps available
(Follow on from and earlier thread- CD:SM Topographic map of ZA in Nov) In November there was some discussion about a source of out-of copyright raster maps which may be useful for mapping Rivers, geological info etc. The University of Texas has a great collection of 1:25 US army maps which may serve this purpose: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/south_africa/ Copyright info under FAQs http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/faq.html#3.html If nothing else they are beautifully made, good resolution and of historic interest. Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] And quickest growing in SA
Great job Werner, In the big centres we have the advantage of Yahoo images and only need gps tracks for the odd new roads. What many do not appreciate is the amount of work required with tracks only which tend to wander. Keep it up. Regards, John On Monday 15 March 2010 11:25, Werner Leach wrote: > Grant > > Thanx for noticing the work I've putt in to Vryheid. I enjoy contributing > to OpenStreetMap. I'm already using the maps on my Garmin Nuvi 200, and my > eTrex Vista is working overtime, recording my tracks. > > > The feedback from that article in the Mybroadband forum was pretty > > disheartening, with a lot of people criticizing the project as > > unnecessary. > > Last week someone in Vryheid said "Are you not re-inventing the wheel?" > My reply was "Why pay for maps that has incorrect info, when you can get > opensource maps for free, with the correct info." > The info being referred to is POI's in Vryheid that is completely > wrong/misplaced. These maps are produced by a major mapping company. > > Anyway. Keep on contributing and enjoy every moment thereof. > > Werner RSA > > > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:08:58 + > > From: Grant Slater > > Subject: [OSM-Talk-ZA] And quickest growing in SA > > To: Openstreetmap ZA > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Talk-ZA, > > > > And the quickest place growing in mapping in quantity and quality is > > Vryheid. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.7786&lon=30.8084&zoom=14 > > > > Awesome stuff. > > > > / Grant > > > > > > > > -- ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Taggng Lifeline offices
Thanks Nic, This looks like a good way to do it. The "empty page" you found is a good grouping of related themes. I also found this which may also be in the right direction with counselling as the service http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/charity All in all new tag developement looks like an interesting process!! Regards, John On Thursday 18 February 2010 20:22, you wrote: > The closest thing I get on the wiki is this : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:description%3DPsychologists%2C_thera >py%2C_Counselling%2C_coaching%2C_all_ages > > Perhaps create a new tag "amenity=counselling" ? > > Using "crisis" in the tag may be too vague. > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:58 PM, John Grant wrote: > > Any suggestions how I tag the Lifeline office? > > > > NGO providing Crisis Centre, Counselling and various soft-skills training > > > > http://www.lifeline.co.za/ > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John > > > > ___ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Cheap GPS DataLogger on BidorBuy
I have had success monitoring the process log before plugging in tail -f /var/log/messages You need to ^C to get out again Sometime it gets mapped to a serial type port. e.g. /dev/ttyUSB0 Good Luck, from all reports it should work Regards, John On Tuesday 23 February 2010 12:40, you wrote: > I have been unable to get the device (747A) working on Ubuntu 8.04, > though many use it in Linux, it does show up in lsusb, > but I have not had the time to find out what is wrong. so I have been > unable to download my GPS traces. > > I will post some feedback as soon as I get time to debug. ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Taggng Lifeline offices
Any suggestions how I tag the Lifeline office? NGO providing Crisis Centre, Counselling and various soft-skills training http://www.lifeline.co.za/ Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Cheap GPS DataLogger on BidorBuy
I have been tempted by the 747A. My old Garmin etrex is getting on and often struggles under trees. The 747A seems to be a good basic data logger, small, reasonable battery life. No display although blue tooth available for use with smart phone etc. Replacable battery albeit Nokia phone battery (AA may be more accessible) for longer hikes etc. Then no SD card although still reasonable memory. A small limited display would also be nice for spedd, distance etc ala Holux M241 Any other good ideas for a good data logger?? Heinz, would be interested to here your experience. John On Thursday 11 February 2010 09:32, Heinz Meulke wrote: > I bought one got it in 14 days... paid about R690 with shipping > and customs clearing charges > Shipping was R120 > Customs clearing R25 > price dependent on exchange rate > > have not had a chance to use it and collect tracks though > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Grant Slater > > wrote: > > On 10 February 2010 17:13, Nic Roets wrote: > >>> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/18889883/i_BLUE_747A_BLUETOOTH_GPS_TRIP_ > >>>RECORDER_66_CHANNELS_AGPS.html > >> > >> Except the seller is located in Germany. I'd only buy on bidorbuy when > >> the seller is close enough that I can collect the goods. Fraud is really > >> rampant in SA, and then there's also the possibility of buying stolen > >> goods. > > > > Yup, so also the possibility of a customs whack. The guy's bidorbuy > > rating is fairly impressive. > > > > / Grant > > > > ___ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Groenkloof, tracks, fences
Highways probably based on Yahoo images which are quite good in the area and highways old enough (not changed since images). Small comment: Groenkloof/ Fountains Valley could probably share a border rather than no-mans land in between. May make later changes/ fixes easier if needed. Keep it up!! On Tuesday 26 January 2010 17:04, David Richfield wrote: > Hi John, > > I've massaged the fences a bit. I'm surprised to say this, but it > looks like we could do with a bit more gps data for the highways > around Groenkloof! Most of the highways I've seen seem to be a thick > with gpx lines, to the extent that I usually don't bother recording > traces on highways any more, except where I know there's a problem. > > I see there are a few traces inside Groenkloof that aren't yet > associated with tracks. I'd like to check up what kind of track they > were on. > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM, John Grant wrote: > > Hi David, > > > > Go for it. I think I put the fence there as I did not have better data!! > > > > Groenkloof looks great!! You can now compete with the official map I am > > sure :-) > > > > John > > > > On Sunday 24 January 2010 17:52, David Richfield wrote: > >> I've just uploaded my MTB trip through Groenkloof to OSM. > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/slashme/traces/611436 > >> > >> Some of the MTB track coincided with a section marked as "cycleway". > >> As per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MTB , I marked the track as > >> highway=path , bicycle=designated. > >> > >> Some of the track was right along the fence, and in fact lies outside > >> the fence on the map. Can I move the fence? > >> > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.7879&lon=28.2&zoom=14 > > > > ___ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- John Grant john@gmail.com 082 686 2828 012 667 2645 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Groenkloof, tracks, fences
Hi David, Go for it. I think I put the fence there as I did not have better data!! Groenkloof looks great!! You can now compete with the official map I am sure :-) John On Sunday 24 January 2010 17:52, David Richfield wrote: > I've just uploaded my MTB trip through Groenkloof to OSM. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/slashme/traces/611436 > > Some of the MTB track coincided with a section marked as "cycleway". > As per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MTB , I marked the track as > highway=path , bicycle=designated. > > Some of the track was right along the fence, and in fact lies outside > the fence on the map. Can I move the fence? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.7879&lon=28.2&zoom=14 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: CD:SM Topographic map of ZA
Great effort, good luck!! Something like this will be a good boost for those wanting to map areas outside the main centers where Yahoo does not give sufficient resolution!! I am sure it could be of mutual benefit to Chief Directorate Surveys too in identifying changed areas. In the long term this kind of data sharing can only be in the best interests of the country as a whole!! Regards, John 2009/11/30 Brendan Barrett : > Sure, while we're at it, let's ask for all their electronic mapping again. > Perhaps we'll have better luck this time. I have a copy of their electronic > maps (shape file and raster). Naturally, we don't have permission to use, so > I have done nothing with it yet. Now is probably as good a time as any to > ask permission again. > > I'm pretty swamped with work at the moment, but let me see what contact > details I can dig up and let's see where this goes. > I'll mail you directly later this morning. > > Regards, > Brendan Barrett > > -- > From: "Grant Slater" > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:52 PM > To: "Openstreetmap ZA" > Subject: [OSM-Talk-ZA] CD:SM Topographic map of ZA > >> Hi Guys, >> >> The Chief Directorate Surveys and Mapping (CD:SM) during the 1980s and >> 1990s produced some lovely 1:5 topographic maps of SA. >> CD:SM offices "sell" these map sheets at the cost of distribution, >> around R22 each last I heard. >> >> I have a full scanned set of these from a group called MadMappers.com >> >> As a short term experiment, I've turned [1] a selection of them into a >> slippy. (My bit of the Eastern Cape) >> http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/cdsm-tiles-test-DO-NOT-USE/ >> >> Map legend is available here: >> http://madmappers.com/htm/SA50k_legend.htm >> >> Please do not yet use these maps for deriving any data yet. I still >> need to check with CD:SM on usage terms. Brendan want to help? :-) >> >> 1: Procedure: >> MrSid from MapMappers -> (mrsidgeodecode) GeoTiff -> (gdalwarp) warped >> epsg:4326 to epsg:900913 -> created mapnik stylesheet >> http://grant.dev.openstreetmap.org/cdsm-tiles-test-DO-NOT-USE/imagery.xml >> -> mapnik generate_tiles.py -> done >> >> Regards >> Grant >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: [PLUG] SFD 2009 : Call for Speakers
Since we are participating in SFD, anyone interested in presenting?? John -- Forwarded message -- From: Karl Fischer Date: 2009/9/2 Subject: [PLUG] SFD 2009 : Call for Speakers To: PLUG Good Morning Freedom Lovers If you want to deliver a Lighting Talk please add you name to the wiki : http://is.gd/2xZQM Here are the Guidelines * 5 -13 Minutes per talk * 2 Minute Setup per talk * Please mail Initial draft Presentations by 14 September 2009 * Mail Final Presentations by 16 September 2009 * No Speaker slot will be allocated if a Presentation is not mailed by 16 September 2009 * 8 - 10 slots available pending of the time needed * Lightin' Talks must not be to technical Share the Love! Karl -- -- Karl Fischer SFD 2009 : http://is.gd/2zsH7 www : http://floss.pro jid : k...@floss.pro -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july <-> PLUG - Main Mailinglist. For more details including unsubscribe or subscription options, or more information on this Users Group visit http://pretlug.sf.net ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] River Names
I am wanting to map the rivers feeding the Bronkhorstspruit Dam as local residents are worried about pollution there. Is there any public source for names of rivers/ streams that any one knows of? Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Anyone Available for Software Freedom Day - Pretoria?
Would be happy to do an hour or so if I'm around but have not planned that far ahead yet. Software freedom day always good!! John 2009/8/13 Heinz Meulke : > In the past I helped out at the GLUG stand, but this year I will be at OSM. > Nic I will see you there! > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Grant Slater > wrote: >> >> Comeon guys, who is in with Nic? >> How often do you get to brag about how super awesome OpenStreetMap is! >> OSM Gauteng looks amazing. >> >> The day's events should be quite good too... >> >> / Grant >> >> >> 2009/8/12 Nic Roets : >> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Grant Slater >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Is anyone available to represent OpenStreetMap at Software Freedom Day >> >> Pretoria on Saturday, 19 September 2009? >> > >> > I wouldn't mind doing most of the work. Really how hard can it be ? Set >> > up a >> > PC with a slippy map and a few other applications. Print a few maps. >> > >> > But it will only work if a few people volunteer to man the stand between >> > 8am >> > and 3pm. They don't need to know much. Just take turns to stand there >> > and be >> > friendly. >> > >> >> >> >> http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/africa/SouthAfrica/Pretoria >> >> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=111994242905 >> >> >> >> Maybe overlap with a mini-mapping party? >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gauteng_mapping_party_-_September_2009 >> >> >> >> / Grant >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Talk-ZA mailing list >> > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za >> > >> > >> >> ___ >> Talk-ZA mailing list >> Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > > -- > echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlb xq | dc > > > question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; > -- Wm. Shakespeare > > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] FW: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Thanks for the good news Brendan, This should be a great help to getting the quality up. For anyone who has not tried it out yet, this permalink takes you to the Krugerdorp highway SW of Pretoria. Interestingly there were two missing joins on the highway intersection but the bridge over the highway was placed incorrectly so they did not show. http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XA&zoom=14&lat=-25.87977&lon=28.12523&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 Regards, John Grant 2009/7/20 Brendan Barrett : > > > Hey all > > For those of you that do not monitor the Talk mailing list... keepright now > covers pretty much the whole world! It is an automated error reporting tool > for OpenStreetMap that points out errors in the map data. Currently, it is > pointing out thousands of errors here in SA that would have been very > difficult to spot otherwise. Check it out some time... but please be careful, > fixing errors becomes addictive! > > Regards, > Brendan Barrett > > >> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:53:31 +0200 >> From: e9625...@gmx.at >> To: t...@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: [OSM-talk] ! goes global >> >> ...well, almost. >> >> From now on, the site >> http://keepright.ipax.at >> will provide data consistency checks not only for Europe but also for >> Africa, Asia and South America. >> Australia is already covered by the keepright partner site at >> http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ >> >> What's still missing in the list is North America. Volunteers who want >> to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you need is a >> medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time to manage running >> the program. >> >> Have a nice weekend! >> >> Harald >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> t...@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _ > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] http://keepright.ipax.at/
Thanks Johann, Will watch this space with interest!! John On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:11, Johann wrote: > I will have a look at this, I am busy downloading it onto my server, > and I will see wat all is required to get this up and running... > > > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:51:32 +0200 > > From: John Grant > > Subject: [OSM-Talk-ZA] http://keepright.ipax.at/ > > To: talk-za@openstreetmap.org > > Message-ID: <200907081751.33209.john@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Fantastic Has anyone else checked out keepright > > http://keepright.ipax.at/ ?? Easy to use with links to edit using potlach > > and JOSM. It really does do a good job of finding "difficult to notice" > > problems. > > > > I have been wondering for some time if there is not an easier way of > > finding missing joins than trying all combinations using a routing tool. > > From past experience running through highway intersections with routing > > SW I found at least one error on 25-30% of intersections. Unfortunately > > either way you need to wait for the data to populate before testing. > > > > That said I don't know what it would take to set something like this up > > and am not technical enough to be able to help there. > > > > Does anyone know of any other similar tools? > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > On Thursday 25 June 2009 12:11, Tomas Straupis wrote ([OSM-Talk-ZA] > > Government > > > > Data Access Update): > >> The main problem in using that is there are quite a lot of data > >> errors and keepright is not covering South Africa > >> (http://keepright.ipax.at/), f.e. Roads intersecting without a node > >> making it impossible to "turn" on the intersection. It helps fixing a > >> lot of routing errors (which are very irritating when used in Nuvi or > >> other navigation gadget). Keepright is open source so it is possible > >> to set up South Africa specific keepright (f.e. Australians have done > >> that). > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] http://keepright.ipax.at/
Fantastic Has anyone else checked out keepright http://keepright.ipax.at/ ?? Easy to use with links to edit using potlach and JOSM. It really does do a good job of finding "difficult to notice" problems. I have been wondering for some time if there is not an easier way of finding missing joins than trying all combinations using a routing tool. From past experience running through highway intersections with routing SW I found at least one error on 25-30% of intersections. Unfortunately either way you need to wait for the data to populate before testing. That said I don't know what it would take to set something like this up and am not technical enough to be able to help there. Does anyone know of any other similar tools? Regards, John On Thursday 25 June 2009 12:11, Tomas Straupis wrote ([OSM-Talk-ZA] Government Data Access Update): > The main problem in using that is there are quite a lot of data > errors and keepright is not covering South Africa > (http://keepright.ipax.at/), f.e. Roads intersecting without a node > making it impossible to "turn" on the intersection. It helps fixing a > lot of routing errors (which are very irritating when used in Nuvi or > other navigation gadget). Keepright is open source so it is possible > to set up South Africa specific keepright (f.e. Australians have done > that). ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New version of the Cape Town import data
I have also noticed this use of parentheses on road signs. I assumed that it indicates that the road leads to M184 rather than being M184. John On Thursday 22 January 2009 21:10, Adrian Frith wrote: > > Some refs are in parenthesis e.g. (M184). > > I'm not sure what the significance of the parentheses is, although I > have a suspicion that it may be where the road has that numbering but > the road signs don't indicate it. There are also some obvious errors in > the numbering in some places. ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Initial render of Cape Town data
Thanks Nic, On Saturday 17 January 2009 16:06, you wrote: > Great work Adrian ! > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:36 PM, John Grant wrote: > > Surely there must be a body(s) responsible for creating street names. > > These names must be defined unambiguously somewhere and available as a > > public reference. > > > > Does anyone know how street naming happens? > > I think a lot of errors creep in during the ordering and manufacturing > of the street signs. There are a number of cases where some of the > signs say one thing (e.g. Road) and some the signs another e.g. > Avenue. > > The most accurate source should be http://csg.dla.gov.za/ which is > recognized by law. I was unable to find anything related to street naming on the site. It may be partly because I'm using Firefox under linux and then not the latest. Some of the links appear dead some pages render poorly. > > But I still want us to follow the street signs (where they are consistent). > > In one German city (Hamburg ?) the council agreed to order new > (correct) signs based on the errors detected by OSM. Perhaps we can do > the same ? Sounds like Germany :-) Not sure if that would work here. ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Initial render of Cape Town data
I agree, great work Adrian/ Brendan etc, Amazing the power of databases!! I have also picked up some of Street name descrepencies eg. Zinnia Street (street signs) vs Zinnia Avenue (CoTC). I have noticed this before in other areas, where steet names are incorrect. Surely there must be a body(s) responsible for creating street names. These names must be defined unambiguously somewhere and available as a public reference. Does anyone know how street naming happens? Regards, John On Saturday 17 January 2009 00:53, Adrian Frith wrote: > On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 23:21 +0200, Adrian Frith wrote: > > I've converted the City of Cape Town data to OSM format and run it > > through Mapnik; you can see an initial render at > > http://adrian.frith.co.za/capetown-city-data-render.png (warning: 1MB > > PNG). I'm busy now rendering tiles so I can set up a slippy map view of > > the data. > > OK, check out http://adrian.frith.co.za/slippymap/ where you can see a > slippy map with the Cape Town data rendered with Mapnik. At the moment > it only goes up to z15; the higher zoom levels are still busy rendering. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Beware- Motorway is one-way by default!!!
I have been struggling to find out why routing does not work north of Bloemfontein. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=-27.190177&flon=27.498519&tlat=-27.261156&tlon=27.487043&v=motorcar&fast=1&layer=mapnik Just found the reason: 2 sections of the N1 are mapped highway=motorway. This is assumed to be oneway=yes which is incorrect, in this case since it is a single way and not double! I have now changed both to highway=trunk For the record the offending ways: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4761199 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4761204 In the hope that others can learn from my lesson. John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 looks like we can use the maps
"Queen Road; Impala Road" was prior to me (although history does show me). I had not changed yet because I am not sure where Queen starts and Impala begins. I have now changed to Impala and will later correct if need be. Thanks for the feedback. John On Friday 19 September 2008 17:39, Nic Roets wrote: > Hi John, > > Your tagging will be fine. Even simpler would be source:name="City Of > Tshwane online". The important thing is to have Braam Visser on record. > > Just be aware that Tshwane online may be quite out of date, like Rietpan > Street in Faerie Glen and Mansfield in Wonderboom South. > > -- > I see you tagged the crescent to the north as "Queen Road; Impala Road". Is > this a recognized standard ? My worry is that searching software will no > longer be able to find Impala Road. > > Regards, > Nic > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thankyou for clarifying that. > > > > Just to clarify. If I am using the Tshwane web-info site as info source I > > presume I would need to add the following or similar: > > > > source= "Street name from City Of Tshwane on-line map service. > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/streetmaps.cfm"; > > > > For example see Queen Street Irene where the street signs show Queen Road > > incorrectly. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-25.87423&lon=28.217&zoom=17 > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > On Monday 15 September 2008 10:47, Carl Sutton wrote: > > > i sent them a email asking if we could use the data. this was the > > > reply: > > > > > > The copyright belongs to the City Of Tshwane, but the maps may be used > > > freely. Please refer to: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=105 , > > > and the response by Derek Clark: > > > http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=106 , please note: " It is > > > possible to have free data but still have copyright > > > > on > > > > > that data. Copyright on free data is not used to restrict the use of > > > the data but rather to ensure that the user acknowledges the source and > > > also > > > > to > > > > > ensure that no other party claims a copyright on that data." > > > > > > If you want to order data please see: > > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/largescalemaps.cfm and "Request for > > > electronic data" ( there is a charge for creating the data disks ) > > > > > > The data is usually collected at the City of Tshwane, but please > > > discuss this with: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Braam Visser > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > Send Talk-ZA mailing list submissions to > > > >talk-za@openstreetmap.org > > > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ZA digest..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > > > 1. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (Nic Roets) > > > > 2. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (John Grant) > > > > 3. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (Nic Roets) > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > >- > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:20:13 +0200 > > > > From: "Nic Roets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS > > > > To: "John Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Cc: Openstreetmap ZA > > > > Message-ID: > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > Are there specific areas of our Tshwane map where you would like to > > > > see improvement ? &g
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 looks like we can use the maps
Thankyou for clarifying that. Just to clarify. If I am using the Tshwane web-info site as info source I presume I would need to add the following or similar: source= "Street name from City Of Tshwane on-line map service. http://www.tshwane.gov.za/streetmaps.cfm"; For example see Queen Street Irene where the street signs show Queen Road incorrectly. http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-25.87423&lon=28.217&zoom=17 Regards, John On Monday 15 September 2008 10:47, Carl Sutton wrote: > i sent them a email asking if we could use the data. this was the reply: > > The copyright belongs to the City Of Tshwane, but the maps may be used > freely. Please refer to: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=105 , and > the response by Derek Clark: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=106 , > please note: " It is possible to have free data but still have copyright on > that data. Copyright on free data is not used to restrict the use of the > data but rather to ensure that the user acknowledges the source and also to > ensure that no other party claims a copyright on that data." > > If you want to order data please see: > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/largescalemaps.cfm and "Request for electronic > data" ( there is a charge for creating the data disks ) > > The data is usually collected at the City of Tshwane, but please discuss > this with: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Regards > > Braam Visser > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Send Talk-ZA mailing list submissions to > >talk-za@openstreetmap.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ZA digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (Nic Roets) > > 2. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (John Grant) > > 3. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (Nic Roets) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:20:13 +0200 > > From: "Nic Roets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS > > To: "John Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: Openstreetmap ZA > > Message-ID: > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi John, > > > > Are there specific areas of our Tshwane map where you would like to see > > improvement ? > > > > Regards, > > Nic > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM, John Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Not sure if anyone is aware of the City of Tshwane on-line GIS site. > > > > > > Gives Street Names, Suburbs, orthophoto etc. Looks pretty well > > > > maintained. > > > > > Does anyone know what the copyright would be? I would imagine that at > > > > least > > > > > the street name info should be public domain even if the source needs > > > to > > > > be > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > Streetmaps enquiries: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/street_Search.cfm > > > > > > http://gis.tshwane.gov.za/website/Tshwane_internet/viewer.htm > > > > > > Regards, > > > John > > > > > > ___ > > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/attachments/20080912/716 > >85033/attachment.html > > > > -- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:54:46 +0200 > > From: John Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS > > To: "Nic Roets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: Openstreetmap ZA > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Nic, > > > > Ye
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS
Hi Nic, Yes, I would always like to see improvement :-) and have been updating over the past few weeks. My real question is, Is the City of Tshwane info copyright or public domain and to what extent? Can we use the City of Tshwane info to update Open Streetmap? e.g. street names, where these are missing. City of Tshwane is a public body responsible for providing this info to the public. Of course source can and should be acknowledged, no problem there. It may even be possible to use the orthophoto info on Open Streetmap as yahoo is being used at the moment. Or even an import from the Tshawane database directly. Anyone know? Regards, John On Friday 12 September 2008 16:20, Nic Roets wrote: > Hi John, > > Are there specific areas of our Tshwane map where you would like to see > improvement ? > > Regards, > Nic > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM, John Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not sure if anyone is aware of the City of Tshwane on-line GIS site. > > > > Gives Street Names, Suburbs, orthophoto etc. Looks pretty well > > maintained. > > > > Does anyone know what the copyright would be? I would imagine that at > > least the street name info should be public domain even if the source > > needs to be mentioned. > > > > Streetmaps enquiries: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/street_Search.cfm > > > > http://gis.tshwane.gov.za/website/Tshwane_internet/viewer.htm > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > ___ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS
Not sure if anyone is aware of the City of Tshwane on-line GIS site. Gives Street Names, Suburbs, orthophoto etc. Looks pretty well maintained. Does anyone know what the copyright would be? I would imagine that at least the street name info should be public domain even if the source needs to be mentioned. Streetmaps enquiries: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tshwane.gov.za/street_Search.cfm http://gis.tshwane.gov.za/website/Tshwane_internet/viewer.htm Regards, John ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] newbie
Tips? 1) Go through and keep this open: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Potlatch/Primer 2) Start with mapping the highlevel road structure using Aerial Yahoo, which is the default background when editting. Tracks can come later!! Start by extending existing ways which are incomplete. (Unfortunately not great resolution in the Vereeniging area so zoom out if the background disappears.) 3) Esc gets you out of most mistakes. Otherwise U for Undo (also icon on screen) or H for history to undo a specific way. Just do it!! John 2008/8/27 Kenny France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi John, > > I didn't do it this w-end, still getting to grips with the edting software > > I am planning on doing it this Sunday when the roads are a little quieter, > > Do you have any tips / tricks that I should keep in mind? > > Thanks > > K- > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 August 2008 18:00 > > To: talk-za@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] newbie > > Hi Kenny, > > Hope you managed to map Vereeniging over the weekend. > > If not, Potlatch (online editor) is very easy. I did my first edits over the > > > weekend (Irene and Sunninghill). It also has a very good online help which > > gives you all the basics (Keep it open in a separate tab or window to start > > with). > > I started by editing the maps in my area without uploading. That way you can > > > see how the "ways" should be done. Potlatch offers "Play" mode after you > > login to edit which does not actually do the changes on the database, > > therefore you can't do damage :-) > > gpx upload is also self-explanatory and easy. Your attached gpx I was able > to > > import so seems OK! > > Have fun!! > > John > > On Friday 22 August 2008 14:08, Russell Cloran wrote: > >> Hi Kenny, > >> > >> Welcome to the project :) > >> > >> The beginners guide is probably the easiest place to start, > >> > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide > >> > >> It details how to upload your GPX files. You then need to trace your > >> GPS traces with an editor -- I'd recommend Potlatch for a beginner or > >> non-technical person. You might want to give JOSM a try if you're more > >> technically inclined, or after using Potlatch for a while -- I find it > >> slightly more powerful and easy to use. > >> > >> The beginners guide is scarce on details of using Potlatch, the best > >> is to go to the Potlatch page in the wiki, > >> > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Potlatch > >> > >> Enjoy. > >> > >> Russell > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Kenny France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Hi Guys, > >> > > >> > I am new to OSM and would like to know if there are any easy to > >> > follow tutorials on how to start mapping? > >> > > >> > I have a app loaded o my blackberry and can export GPX and KML files > >> > (see > >> > attached) > >> > > >> > now how do I add them to the map? > >> > > >> > if I can get this right or if someone can help me I plan on Mapping > >> > Vereeniging this weekend, > >> > > >> > thanks > >> > > >> > K- > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has > >> > removed 37205 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this > >> > message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter > >> > <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now! > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Talk-ZA mailing list > >> > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > ___ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > _ > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 38312 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now! > > > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] newbie
Hi Kenny, Hope you managed to map Vereeniging over the weekend. If not, Potlatch (online editor) is very easy. I did my first edits over the weekend (Irene and Sunninghill). It also has a very good online help which gives you all the basics (Keep it open in a separate tab or window to start with). I started by editing the maps in my area without uploading. That way you can see how the "ways" should be done. Potlatch offers "Play" mode after you login to edit which does not actually do the changes on the database, therefore you can't do damage :-) gpx upload is also self-explanatory and easy. Your attached gpx I was able to import so seems OK! Have fun!! John On Friday 22 August 2008 14:08, Russell Cloran wrote: > Hi Kenny, > > Welcome to the project :) > > The beginners guide is probably the easiest place to start, > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide > > It details how to upload your GPX files. You then need to trace your GPS > traces with an editor -- I'd recommend Potlatch for a beginner or > non-technical person. You might want to give JOSM a try if you're more > technically inclined, or after using Potlatch for a while -- I find it > slightly more powerful and easy to use. > > The beginners guide is scarce on details of using Potlatch, the best is to > go to the Potlatch page in the wiki, > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Potlatch > > Enjoy. > > Russell > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Kenny France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I am new to OSM and would like to know if there are any easy to follow > > tutorials on how to start mapping? > > > > I have a app loaded o my blackberry and can export GPX and KML files (see > > attached) > > > > now how do I add them to the map? > > > > if I can get this right or if someone can help me I plan on Mapping > > Vereeniging this weekend, > > > > thanks > > > > K- > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > > It has removed 37205 spam emails to date. > > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > > Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now! > > > > ___ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] 'No-Names' Map now covers SA
Great effort, I would like to get more involved but the learning curve and time available (and possibly age :-) don't always make that easy. What I could do however is to make this a local cub group (boy scouts) or family project). We would update the map by hand, then scan and send to someone who could update the actual data. e.g. correct/ add street names, fill in one-ways, etc. Would this be useful? Would anyone like to volunteer to do the second big step?? Perhaps we could try some small changes to start with to see how the process works. Thinking out of the bubble? John 2008/7/4 Grant Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Guys, > > The 'no-names' map is now available for South Africa too, showing us > areas we still missing street names for: > > JHB Example: > > http://tinyurl.com/5ttc7g > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~random/no-names/?zoom=12&lat=-3014689.93541&lon=3119919.14346&layers=0B000 > > / Grant > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-za > ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
