Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
Friday, October 08, 2004 6:18 PM Stefan wrote: Hello All, The Bat! v3.0.1 RC6 is now available from https://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ as MSI installations (both Home and Professional) This release definitely seems less stable than RC5. I have begun to have odd memory errors and the occassional AV. Sorry that I can't point to anything more specific at this time. I know it's not very helpful. I'll try to gather more info. -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
Hello Terry! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 3:45:22 PM you wrote: This release definitely seems less stable than RC5. I have begun to have odd memory errors and the occassional AV. Sorry that I can't point to anything more specific at this time. I know it's not very helpful. I'll try to gather more info. You know that we are already a few versions down the river? -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. (Ambrose Bierce) Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Client Decisions (Was: Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available)
On the other hand, Mulberry also has some serious deficiencies that are not being addressed, or are being addressed too slowly for my taste. I understand v4 is being actively developed and hopefully will address some of the wishes people have (some users have real problems with slow connections, I don't luckily). -- Regards Clive T Using TB 3.0.1 RC5 Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
Mulberry is heavily modal when busy working with the server. You have to wait for it to do it's thing before you get a chance to do other things like editing a message or fiddling with settings. It's very slow when I wish to thread my mail. Now that is interesting, Allie, because I have EXACTLY the opposite experience. TB frustrates the life out of me with its slowness of response, freezes in refreshing folder contents, sending of mail and - most annoying - random lockups where I have to restart the prog at intervals. I also have to use Mulberry to open attachments (usually Word files) where TB just refuses to acknowledge their existence from time to time. OTOH, as I've said before, Mulberry just works. It's contacting the same accounts so it's not a server issue but more how TB is interacting with the servers. In this regard Mulberry is demonstrating its IMAP pedigree well. Ain't life strange! -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1 RC5 Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
Clive Taylor, [CT] wrote: Now that is interesting, Allie, because I have EXACTLY the opposite experience. Actually it sounds worse. :) TB frustrates the life out of me with its slowness of response, freezes in refreshing folder contents, sending of mail and - most annoying - random lockups where I have to restart the prog at intervals. I also have to use Mulberry to open attachments (usually Word files) where TB just refuses to acknowledge their existence from time to time. Sounds like your IMAP server isn't TB! friendly, while the converse applies with Mulberry and my Server. ... Ain't life strange! :) Looking at it simplistically, which is that a good IMAP experience revolves around firstly, a solid server/client relationship, then it's not surprising. It would have been surprising/strange, if we were using the same server. I'm using MDaemon Pro. -- -= Allie =- . Oxymoron: Shooting blanks. ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.1 | SquirrelMail WebMail IMAP Server: Mdaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
The Bat! v3.0.1 RC6 is now available from https://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ as MSI installations (both Home and Professional) Came home sundayevening, saw the announcement and tried to get it. No way. Mondaymorning the same I get as replay: Not Found The requested URL /download/the_bat/beta/msi/thebat_professional.msi was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. - Apache/1.3.31 Server at www.ritlabs.com Port 443 Is this Beta already removed from the server? Regards, Gunivortus Current beta is 3.01 RC/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
Hi Gunivortus, on Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:47:01 +0200GMT, you wrote: The Bat! v3.0.1 RC6 is now available from https://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ as MSI installations (both Home and Professional) GG Came home sundayevening, saw the announcement and tried to GG get it. No way. Mondaymorning the same GG Is this Beta already removed from the server? No, a typo in the address. It should be http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.1 RC6 on Windows 98, 4, 10, build , IBM Thinkpad 760XL at 133 MHz, 80 MB RAM pgpttStRBLYgJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.01 RC/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
I will need to decide quickly whether or not to buy the new version, or I won't even have the option to use it! It would be automatic if finances weren't such an issue right nowadays, but I do have constant arguments with myself as to whether the money might be better spent on Mulberry. I've crossed this bridge, Keith. Although I miss some of TB's features, rock-solid, fast IMAP performance is more important to me for my domain mail and I don't regret a penny I spent on a licence for Mulberry. Time will tell whether I can say the same about the (admittedly small) sum I spent on the v3 upgrade to TB. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1 RC5 Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP Client Decisions (Was: Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available)
Hi, Clive. --On Monday, October 11, 2004 3:54 PM +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've crossed this bridge, Keith. Although I miss some of TB's features, rock-solid, fast IMAP performance is more important to me for my domain mail and I don't regret a penny I spent on a licence for Mulberry. Time will tell whether I can say the same about the (admittedly small) sum I spent on the v3 upgrade to TB. Interesting. Tero has turned up on the Mulberry mailing list, seeking help on migrating from The Bat! to Mulberry. I wonder how many others who don't post here have already made, or are in the process of making, the decision to switch to another client. Or is it just a few of us for whom IMAP is such a major issue? On the other hand, Mulberry also has some serious deficiencies that are not being addressed, or are being addressed too slowly for my taste. The big differences are that what it does it does very well, it's very stable, and it has very complete documentation. -- Keith Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dierk, On 09 October 2004 at 09:42:10GMT +0200 (which was 08:42 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote and made these points on the subject of 3.0.1 RC6 is now available: DH I'd rather have a good documentation, with an up-to-date help file, DH beginner's tutorials and PDF manuals*, than a hodgepodge, cheap job. I completely agree here, but I'm thinking of the normal users who are not part of these lists. It's a commercial programme that they are going to pay for. It will seem at least a little strange not having an adequate help file, especially if they are completely new to TB! - -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: The BAT! 3.0.1 RC5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQWrYSlPsaxtteqJVEQLccgCeKZlfOI/ZQZCkwdVr9Ds5SmJQaZQAnA6T OJO/weu1A6mO0Fs0Jtn/TdNU =F5hw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available
Clive Taylor wrote: I've crossed this bridge, Keith. Although I miss some of TB's features, rock-solid, fast IMAP performance is more important to me for my domain mail and I don't regret a penny I spent on a licence for Mulberry. Time will tell whether I can say the same about the (admittedly small) sum I spent on the v3 upgrade to TB. I didn't know I'd see the day when I could defend TB! where IMAP is concerned. I do have a Mulberry license and I've been around the bend with it. I've had the assistance with Gary, another Mulberry user, and now have a good grasp of how it works and why I have problems with it. TB! definitely is the better IMAP client for me. The IMAP experience seems to depend on your IMAP server and your connection speeds. I currently have been having stability problems with Mulberry. It often crashes while sending mail. I'm not sure why. I thought I had it down to a pattern and thought I could work around it. However, I was wrong. Mulberry is heavily modal when busy working with the server. You have to wait for it to do it's thing before you get a chance to do other things like editing a message or fiddling with settings. It's very slow when I wish to thread my mail. In fact, it's slower than TB! even when doing straight header retrieval for threading. I wish it would stop asking me if I wish to thread using what information on messages I already have vs retrieving all information for full threading of the message list. Threading just what is there is quicker, but there's no apparent way to prevent that popup query from appearing. If your IMAP server supports threading, then this will all not be a problem for you. If you suddenly lose your connection, the message you're reading disappears from view. So you need a reliable connection with Mulberry. I'm having problems with Mulberry recognizing PGP/MIME signed messages sent to TBUDL and TBBETA. It seems to ignore them completely. However, PGP/MIME signed messages sent privately are fine. I don't know what the difference is. The last straw occurred when I noted that Mulberry kept sending messages with parts of my signature text missing. The last few characters would be missing. Now, I'm not saying all these things about Mulberry to start a TB! vs Mulberry exchange. My point is that for each person, the experience with one client as opposed to another can be very different. So for those reading, and who wish to start using IMAP, do not assume that your TB! experience will be terrible or unreliable or problematic. Furthermore, don't assume that Mulberry will be rock-solid. :) TB! is the more stable client from where I'm sitting and using the server I use. I admit that TB! doesn't support all the protocol specific features that clients like Mulberry do. However, Mulberry does depend on the server supporting all IMAP protocol features. If the server doesn't, then Mulberry can become a problem since it's speed and functionality does depend on good and extensive protocol support by servers. I'm having a highly reliable experience with TB! at the moment. This is so not-withstanding the lack of some functionality. However, weighing the pros and cons of each experience, Mulberry, ThunderBird and TB!; at the moment TB! is my winner. For Clive, it's Mulberry. Just see how it is for you. Don't give up immediately since TB! can likely be made to work better for you, especially where operating speed and responsiveness is concerned. Here ends my advocacy. :) -- Allie Martin Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Blank preview pane (Was: Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available)
Hi , Saturday, October 9, 2004, 4:52:50 PM, you wrote: SR I seen in another thread on this that restarting TB! helps, but only SR until I find that I minimise it and the preview screen go blank again, I have found a consistent on this machine for losing the preview pane. I can minimize with no ill effect. However, if I just move to a folder with over 3000 posts, the preview pane is history/gone. It is also gone for any folder from that point onward. My fix that consistently works is to use the View Windows split mode any option. Then I can go back to my original split mode (full width pre-view) and everything is back to normal, and the weird part is I can then pull up the folder with over 3000 messages and the preview pane works just fine. Anyone else able to get this work-around to help out? -- Cheers, Dean 3.0.1 RC6 Windows 2000 5 0 2195 Current beta is 3.01 RC/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Blank preview pane (Was: Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available)
Dean, Sunday, October 10, 2004, 10:43:59 PM, you wrote: Hi , Saturday, October 9, 2004, 4:52:50 PM, you wrote: SR I seen in another thread on this that restarting TB! helps, but only SR until I find that I minimise it and the preview screen go blank again, I have found a consistent on this machine for losing the preview pane. I can minimize with no ill effect. However, if I just move to a folder with over 3000 posts, the preview pane is history/gone. It is also gone for any folder from that point onward. My fix that consistently works is to use the View Windows split mode any option. Then I can go back to my original split mode (full width pre-view) and everything is back to normal, and the weird part is I can then pull up the folder with over 3000 messages and the preview pane works just fine. Anyone else able to get this work-around to help out? That ios another way to do it, and faster that restarting TB! :roflmao: Sean -- Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 Using TheBat! 3.0.1 RC6 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 :irl-flag: pgpvdzimZFGdV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.01 RC/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Blank preview pane (Was: Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available)
Hi Dean and list, On Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 16:43:59 GMT -0500 (which was 23:43 where I live) Dean wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Blank preview pane (Was: Re: 3.0.1 RC6 is now available): I have found a consistent on this machine for losing the preview pane. Hmmm - doesn't work always here, just sporadically. But when it's lost, it was always after a minimize to system tray and restoring to full screen again. My fix that consistently works is to use the View Windows split mode any option. Then I can go back to my original split mode (full width pre-view) and everything is back to normal, I can confirm this workaround. -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.0.1 RC6, Useless Macro Collection 1.8.845 beta, and MyMacros 1.11 with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.01 RC/6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
