Re: Displaying Digest results in line
Hi Tom, On 30 January 2000 at 16:44:14 GMT -0800 (which was 00:44 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TP if you could have the program explode them for you, it would help. Agreed. The perfect solution IMHO. (Although I'm not certain that Alex would be content with it). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Displaying Digest results in line
Hi Allie, On 30 January 2000 at 20:08:16 GMT -0500 (which was 01:08 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: AM On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:50:52 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: This request is for *less* discrimination of digests than TB is giving right now - to congeal a digest into a single, long message, instead of breaking it into component attachments. AM This is not what the request is. Are you sure about that? Here is the original question again: I am switching from Eudora to The Bat. I receive a php mailinglist in digest form. It displayed in the message in Eudora, but in The Bat it is displaying as a series of attachments with names such as php.73111. Is there a way to get the whole thing to display in the message, as per Eudora? "In a message" what was meant by that, then? I remember Eudora showing digests as a single long message. FWIW, if the attachments are content type Text then they should appear as Tabs at the bottom of the view window ... AM This is not what happens It is. I've seen it happen. Not necessarily with the TBUDL digest. Not with all digests. Maybe not with MIME digests. But I was talking to a specific user about a specific mailing list - the PHP list and how *his* digests from that list were displayed by Eudora. I'm on that list too, as it happens - not that I've ever seen a digest of it. :-) AM and this isn't what should happen anyway. :-/ With *that* point I agree. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
MIME forwarding multiple messages (was:Re: Displaying Digest results in line)
Hallo Allie, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 02:10:08 -0500 GMT (30.01.2000, 15:10 +0800 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: Excuse my asking, but is it possible with TB to send multiple different messages as MIME attachments of the same message? I'd be interested to learn how to do that. AM Yes. Just select all the messages that you wish to MIME AM forward and then hit the forward button. All the messages will be AM attached. Thanks, works. :-) How do I attach messages from different folders? A thing I've noticed: While you have the choice to select multiple messages to forward to different address in one go when not forwarding in MIME, all messages will be attached to the same message if MIME forwarding is enabled. No, complaint, I think it does make sense. Anyway, that may be the reason why the reported bug when forwarding multiple messages does not apply when MIME forwarding. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Displaying Digest results in line
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:52:16 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Are you sure about that? Here is the original question again: I am switching from Eudora to The Bat. I receive a php mailinglist in digest form. It displayed in the message in Eudora, but in The Bat it is displaying as a series of attachments with names such as php.73111. Is there a way to get the whole thing to display in the message, as per Eudora? "In a message" what was meant by that, then? I remember Eudora showing digests as a single long message. Yes, you are right. I was not following the whole thing. I had simply focused on what you wrote (believe it or not:)). Now why would Eudora do a thing like that? The other list to which I'm subscribed offers their mail in simple digest as well as MIME digest format. The simple digest comprises a message containing a single message body of streaming text containing all message bodies together. You therefore have both formats to choose from. It would seem that Eudora condemns you to one format always. Yuk. FWIW, if the attachments are content type Text then they should appear as Tabs at the bottom of the view window ... AM This is not what happens It is. I've seen it happen. Not necessarily with the TBUDL digest. Not with all digests. Maybe not with MIME digests. I thought that we were speaking only about MIME digests here. You were one step ahead of me. If you send a simple text file as an attachment then yes TB's internal viewer will display it and the tab will appear at the bottom as you said. Pretty much like what happens with gifs and html messages. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** I am functioning within established parameters. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: MIME forwarding multiple messages (was:Re: Displaying Digest results in line)
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:22:47 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thanks, works. :-) How do I attach messages from different folders? You may only choose messages from a single folder at a time, so if you wish to MIME forward messages from multiple folders then move them to a common location and do it from there. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** People will die this year that never died before ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Filter Help.
HI TB Users, I flashed one request sometimes back and go no answers so I'm posting it again. The problem is serious and I just couldn't solve it. Whenever I create a filter and close the program the filter goes away. I have tried all the setting and all seems to be ok. Can someone tell me how to handel this filters so that the rules remain forever. Is there a way to save this feature? Thanks in advance. Regards, Ganesh. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Displaying Digest results in line
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 9:33, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote about "Re: Displaying Digest results in li": TP if you could have the program explode them for you, it would help. Agreed. The perfect solution IMHO. (Although I'm not certain that Alex would be content with it). Well, in a sense;-) Just add the X-Bat-Digest: Number header to each of these "exploded" messages, so that the program could then display them in a kind of special thread if the user so wishes --- and I would be perfectly happy with such deceision. BTW, it's of course an idiotic deceision to treat message/rfc822 attachments just like regular attachments and to store them in the Attach directory as .msg files;-) Messages are messages and are to be stored in folders, not among the other attachments;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: A crowd counts many heads but few brains. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Displaying Digest results in line
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 9:44, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote about "Re: Displaying Digest results in li": AVK Note, that MIME digest might contain MIME digests, which can AVK contain MIME digests, etc., etc. This is a *major* problem if AVK your idea gets accepted by the developers, Marck. I have cut your other responses to correct you right here, Alex. this is *not* my idea for a new way of handling MIME digests. It was my suggestion to a user (who I subsequently discovered had left the list - using Poco mailer to resign - before it was posted) concerning what is *currently* implemented - how TB may work *right now*. I have no axe to grind nor any new ideas concerning MIME digests - I wouldn't presume to usurp your throne there, old friend ;-). Thanx, it's my own horse, and i'm going to ride it until it finally dies (or whoever;-()... As for that Poco rider, he won't be happy with that nice parrot: it doesn't handle digests at all, AFAIK;-) AVK Note that what I describe here is not a "theoretical" issue, it AVK _happens_ (for example, those messages forwarded many times by AVK AOL users g). Aaarrrggg! Noo! Not another joke from my cousin's friend's friend's colleagues wife's friend's husband's uncle's pet labrador! ROTFLMAO! AVK Digests are quite useful, although I myself usually prefer to AVK receive the mailing lists traffic not in digest form. In that case, do you have any objection to Tom's idea of enhancing TB's to pre-burst the digest? I think that's quite a neat solution. See my other message in the same thread. Anyhow, *when* writing plugins becomes possible (BTW, anybody knows, WHEN?;-)), it will become a breeze to correct all this;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: People are like clouds all unique... --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: MIME forwarding multiple messages (was:Re: Displaying Digest results in line)
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 16:22, Thomas Fernandez wrote about "MIME forwarding multiple messages": AM Yes. Just select all the messages that you wish to MIME AM forward and then hit the forward button. All the messages will be AM attached. And BTW, at this point you can force TB to make it a MIME digest. Just clear *all* the text from the message editor;-) TB will send it as MIME digest, consisting of all the attached messages. Thanks, works. :-) How do I attach messages from different folders? No way. In Pegasus, one can drag'n'drop messages from the folders to the message editor. Then the program asks, what to do next: it can either attach the messages dragged or include them into the currently edited ones. This is one of the neat features I'd love to see in TB, too. A thing I've noticed: While you have the choice to select multiple messages to forward to different address in one go when not forwarding in MIME, all messages will be attached to the same message if MIME forwarding is enabled. This is the only way it can work. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: There is a solution to every problem; the only difficulty is finding it. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
(No Subject)
Hello TBUDL, "Mail from this mailing list will now be provided to you in digest form if the list administrator has enabled digest support." When I requested to get the digest form the above sentence was in the confirmation message. Who is the administrator? Me? I am the sole user. If so how do I enable digest support? I seem to be getting the digest OK but I don't seem to understand what to do if I want to reply to an individual's message in the digest. I have looked for an answer in the on-line help file but cannot seem to find one. Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- Best regards, Marilyn H. Pukmel Pukmel Pukmel 'People Relating to People' [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Digest set-up
Hello TBUDL , "Mail from this mailing list will now be provided to you in digest form if the list administrator has enabled digest support." When I requested to get the digest form the above sentence was in the confirmation message. Who is the administrator? Me? I am the sole user. If so how do I enable digest support? I seem to be getting the digest OK but I don't seem to understand what to do if I want to reply to an individual's message in the digest. I have looked for an answer in the on-line help file but cannot seem to find one. Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- Best regards, Marilyn H. Pukmel Pukmel Pukmel 'People Relating to People' [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:43:22 -0500, Marilyn H. Pukmel wrote: [..snip..] I seem to be getting the digest OK but I don't seem to understand what to do if I want to reply to an individual's message in the . digest. I have looked for an answer in the on-line help file but cannot seem to find one. Sounds like you get all the message bodies placed together as one long message, i.e., the simple digest format. The disadvantage of this digest type is just what you're experiencing. Replying to an individual message is difficult. You'll have to select the text from the message that you wish to reply to, hit F4 (this is where quoting only selected text comes in very handy Steve :)) and then manually enter the subject header. If you had it MIME digest format, then each message would be separate and then you would simply hit the reply button for the message you wish to reply to. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** OK, I'm weird! But I'm saving up to become eccentric. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Digest set-up
Hallo Marilyn, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:47:28 -0500 GMT (30.01.2000, 22:47 +0800 GMT), Marilyn H. Pukmel wrote: MHP When I requested to get the digest form the above sentence was in MHP the confirmation message. Who is the administrator? Me? To reach the administrator, see the rfc822 headers on this list, which include: List-Administrator: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTH -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Filter Help.
Hallo Shanmugam, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:05:43 +0700 (GMT+0700) GMT (30.01.2000, 22:05 +0800 GMT), Shanmugam Ganeshkumar wrote: SG Whenever I create a filter and close the program the filter goes away. I SG have tried all the setting and all seems to be ok. I cannot help you, because the problem does not exist here. Sorry. SG Can someone tell me how to handel this filters so that the rules remain SG forever. Is there a way to save this feature? Could you describe how you create and save the filter? I use Account/Sorting Office, choose a folder, click on New, and fill in the rules etc. The moment I Close the Sorting Office, the filter is saved. It will still be there when I close TB - or my machine - and reopen it the next time. Another way is the click on Message/Special/Create Filter. The moment I click on OK, the filter is saved. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Filter Help.
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:30:28 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: SG Whenever I create a filter and close the program the filter goes SG away. I have tried all the setting and all seems to be ok. I cannot help you, because the problem does not exist here. Sorry. I don't have the problem either and I am wondering if the problem lies with your securing the account. It's really bizarre because the sorting office filters will save any changes you make, no matter how you close it when you're through. It saves all the changes that I make whether I close it using the 'close' button or the general window 'close' button in the right upper corner of the window. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** For exercise, men can walk. Women talk. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
On Saturday, January 29, 2000, Jast wrote: Morning Paula Ford, Why can't I get my signature to cut at the -- in replies the way it should? It works here specifically for that case. If you select the characters below you will notice one of them does indeed have a space after them, where I typed it in manually. It doesn't have anything to do with the cursor touching the line. Also in your signature it seems to be correct :-) Yes, this one is working, but the space _does_ disappear under some circumstances whether I'm putting it into a template or not. I haven't figured out why though. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Show from during download
Hello The Bat! ML, Especially when I get very big mails (2MB) I'd like to know, who is the sender. So is it possible to show from during download. Cause it is in the header, it is the first thing to be downloaded and it might be nice, if TheBat would show this during download, so I might cancel it, when i get a big mail from someone I don't want to get it from, so I can delete it through web interface. Best regards, Clemens written with TheBat! 1.39 on Windows 98, 4 10 Build A on Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 5:54:26 PM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration
On Saturday, January 29, 2000 at 11:46 AM or thereabouts, Paula Ford wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Paula Yes, this one is working, but the space _does_ disappear under Paula some circumstances whether I'm putting it into a template or Paula not. I haven't figured out why though. Agreed ... the "disappearing act" has happened to me, as well, and I've not yet identified the circumstances under which it has done so. My first clue is usually when some "helpful" person on this list emails me to tell me it's not working ... some people spend a lot of time watching for that, apparently. :-) Myself, I have other hobbies. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: The unnatural, too, is natural. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hallo Paula, On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:46:01 -0500 GMT (30.01.2000, 01:46 +0800 GMT), Paula Ford wrote: PF Yes, this one is working, but the space _does_ disappear under some PF circumstances whether I'm putting it into a template or not. I haven't PF figured out why though. When you move the cursor over that line, the editor cuts any trailing spaces. So, if you type (or include in your template) dash-dash-space-enter, and don't put the cursor into that line any more, it works. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Show from during download
Hi Clemens, Sunday, January 30, 2000, 4:55:36 PM, you wrote: CGS Especially when I get very big mails (2MB) I'd like to know, who is CGS the sender. So is it possible to show from during download. Cause it CGS is in the header, it is the first thing to be downloaded and it might CGS be nice, if TheBat would show this during download, so I might cancel CGS it, when i get a big mail from someone I don't want to get it from, so CGS I can delete it through web interface. The way I achieve this, is to set the maximum size in Account|Properties Mail Management, set to leave on server, download header only. Then if you don't want the message you can use Account|Dispatch Mail On Server to delete it. HTH -- Best regards, Mark Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4 10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hallo Chuck, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:08:50 -0600 GMT (31.01.2000, 01:08 +0800 GMT), Chuck Mattsen wrote: CM My first clue is usually when some "helpful" person on this list CM emails me to tell me it's not working ... some people spend a lot of CM time watching for that, apparently. :-) Myself, I have other hobbies. You have life? - I have a computer. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration
On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 11:15 AM or thereabouts, Thomas Fernandez wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Thomas You have life? - I have a computer. ;-) A meager semblance of one, barely ... would you believe I live in a one-room, studio apartment and just the other day I realized I'm surrounding by three functional PCs and three others in various states of repair/disrepair ... that's what happens when you work from home, I guess. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Some people march to the beat of a different drummer. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi Chuck, On Sunday, January 30, 2000, 11:41:35 AM, you hammered out: C On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 11:15 AM or thereabouts, Thomas C Fernandez wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Thomas You have life? - I have a computer. ;-) C A meager semblance of one, barely ... would you believe I live in a C one-room, studio apartment and just the other day I realized I'm C surrounding by three functional PCs and three others in various states C of repair/disrepair ... that's what happens when you work from home, I C guess. Yah, but you have "The Ice Thing!" -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Show from during download
Hallo Gary, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:43:20 -0600 GMT (31.01.2000, 01:43 +0800 GMT), Gary wrote: G Is that what "dispatch mail on server" means? It deletes mail left on G server? Help files are sketchy in this area. Have never tried this G function yet. Try it. You can delete, mark as read/unread, download... there is no harm if you try the option and then just don't do anything. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Displaying Digest results in line
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 23:17, Thomas Fernandez wrote about "Re: Displaying Digest results in li": AVK See my other message in the same thread. Anyhow, *when* writing plugins AVK becomes possible (BTW, anybody knows, WHEN?;-)), it will become a AVK breeze to correct all this;-) In version 2 ;-) This answer is not an answer at all... I didn't ask "where", I did ask "when";-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The sad thing about Windows bashing is it's all true. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:08:50 -0600, Chuck Mattsen wrote: My first clue is usually when some "helpful" person on this list emails me to tell me it's not working ... some people spend a lot of time watching for that, apparently. :-) The smiley didn't work there actually. When the sig delimiter isn't there or not functioning. I have to trim the signature away in an attempt to be courteous by not quoting unnecessarily. We don't waste time looking for it but waste time dealing with it when we really don't have to be. Myself, I have other hobbies. We do as well, thank you. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Oxymoron: Sergeant Major. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration
On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 2:19 PM or thereabouts, Allie Martin wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Allie On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:08:50 -0600, Chuck Mattsen wrote: My first clue is usually when some "helpful" person on this list emails me to tell me it's not working ... some people spend a lot of time watching for that, apparently. :-) Allie The smiley didn't work there actually. When the sig delimiter Allie isn't there or not functioning. I have to trim the signature away in Allie an attempt to be courteous by not quoting unnecessarily. We don't Allie waste time looking for it but waste time dealing with it when we Allie really don't have to be. Myself, I have other hobbies. Allie We do as well, thank you. Here in Minnesota, the home of the "Ice Thing" as Gary puts it g, we don't sweat the small stuff ... or any stuff, for that matter ... in January. Chuck [sig delimiter removed just for the hell of it] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi Chuck, On Sunday, January 30, 2000, 2:31:45 PM, you hammered out: C Here in Minnesota, the home of the "Ice Thing" as Gary puts it g, we C don't sweat the small stuff ... or any stuff, for that matter ... in C January. I don't see how you can sweat anything in Minnesota in January ! (Hoping to get there to pay homage to the Ice Gods)... -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Life is a waste of time, time is a waste of life, so get wasted all of the time and have the time of your life. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Signature Thing Frustration
On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 2:40 PM or thereabouts, Gary wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Gary On Sunday, January 30, 2000, 2:31:45 PM, you hammered out: C Here in Minnesota, the home of the "Ice Thing" as Gary puts it C g, we don't sweat the small stuff ... or any stuff, for that C matter ... in January. Gary I don't see how you can sweat anything in Minnesota in January ! Gary (Hoping to get there to pay homage to the Ice Gods)... Bring heavy clothing ... or thick skin, if you can find some ... seems to be in short supply. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Nothing is True. Everything is permitted. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hi dMb, On Sunday, January 30, 2000, 3:26:08 PM, you hammered out: d But...what I can't figure out is if it's possible to do this within d TB. d Could someone clue me in? I just looked at the various options both d in the main program, and from within the editor, and I couldn't find d anything. I have been playing with this too. The only way I have come across, (spent very little time on this project yet) is to make a document, let's say in Word or WordPerfect, save it in HTML format, and then send it as a MIME attachment. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: You miss 100% of the shots you never take. --Wayne Gretzky PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 14:31, Chuck Mattsen wrote about "Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration": Here in Minnesota, the home of the "Ice Thing" as Gary puts it g, we don't sweat the small stuff ... or any stuff, for that matter ... in January. Care to explain all that to non-Americans? Or are you going to chat just between yourselves? Chuck [sig delimiter removed just for the hell of it] Well, although I don't care too much, it might be better to remove the "hell of it" and put the dashes back where they used to be. P.S. For all of you struggling with the sig delimiters, proper improper ones: why the hell not write a *simple* regexp instead of relying on TB's built-in sig- stripping capabilities? This way one can catch not only the "proper" delimiter (dash-dash-space), but also: (i) improper one (dash-dash-newline), it would be --\n in regexp; (ii) the one "delt with" PGP (after PGP signing it becomes dash-space-dash- dash-space-newline: -\s--\s\n)? Just a question:-) Anybody needs the working regexp? I'm starting the votes collection;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Air conditioned environment - Do not open Windows --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Signature Thing Frustration
Chuck Mattsen wrote... CM My first clue is usually when some "helpful" person on this list CM emails me to tell me it's not working ... some people spend a lot CM of time watching for that, apparently. :-) Myself, I have other CM hobbies. Yes, I got one of those mails too. Interestingly, not everyone thinks the sig-dash standard is a good thing. When it was introduced to Datula, a Japanese mailer, the regulars on the Datula mailing list set up a howl, with some of them saying it was a really bad idea to have a program automatically cut out everything after the sig-dash. I'm not opposed to it myself, but if The Bat! is not going to make it easy for me to use it, I'm not going to waste more time than it's worth. Especially when we have the Select + F4 option, which I like much better. Let's face it, the only people for whom the sig-dash standard makes sense are those who blindly quote the entire message. And I'm not one of those, thank you. g -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://wonmug.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: HTML
On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 3:39 PM or thereabouts, Gary wrote the following about HTML: Gary I have been playing with this too. The only way I have come Gary across, (spent very little time on this project yet) is to make Gary a document, let's say in Word or WordPerfect, save it in HTML Gary format, and then send it as a MIME attachment. That *does* work rather well ... just did a short test to myself, and it came through nicely except, of course, for the graphics referenced in the HTML which are stored in my FTP directory ... if we wanted to include inline graphics which would display for the recipient when sending, could we do that, and if so, how would they need to be referenced in the HTML? Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Seek not to follow footsteps but what they sought. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Digest Set-up
Hello list, Sunday, January 30, 2000, 11:57:04 AM, you wrote: lmtdc Sounds like you get all the message bodies placed together as lmtdc one long message, i.e., the simple digest format. The disadvantage of lmtdc this digest type is just what you're experiencing. Replying to an lmtdc individual message is difficult. You'll have to select the text from lmtdc the message that you wish to reply to, hit F4 (this is where quoting lmtdc only selected text comes in very handy Steve :)) and then manually lmtdc enter the subject header. Yes, I do get it in the simple digest format. If you had it MIME digest format, then each message would be separate and then you would simply hit the reply button for the message you wish to reply to. So, How do I get MIME digest format? -- Best regards, Marilynmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 16:26, dMb wrote about "HTML": Stupid question time: As much as I loathe HTML email messages, sometimes I find it necessary to generate a new message in that format (rather than plain text). Don't ask why. But...what I can't figure out is if it's possible to do this within TB. In TB it's impossible, but you can prepare the HTML file in any other application you use for HTML editing (I use HomeSite, www.allaire.com), save it do disk, then: (a) attach the HTML file to the message; (b) clear *everything* from the message editor, that is, leave your message blank in TB. TB will send the message as if it were just HTML, i.e. it won't attach the HTML, it will rather use HTML as the body of the message. From the technical viewpoint this means, that the headers will be: Content-type: text/HTML; charset="whatever" Content-transfer-encoding="whatever" and it won't be multipart, just text/HTML. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Your reality check just bounced. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi Alex, On Sunday, January 30, 2000, 3:41:05 PM, you hammered out: Here in Minnesota, the home of the "Ice Thing" as Gary puts it g, we don't sweat the small stuff ... or any stuff, for that matter ... in January. A Care to explain all that to non-Americans? Or are you going to chat just A between yourselves? Sorry Alex, I will let Chuck go into detail if he wishes, but the largest (twin) cities in Minnesota (Minneapolis and St. Paul) have an Ice Festival each year at this time. The history of this festival goes back for over 100 years. Obviously, Minnesota is not as cold as the notorious Russian winters, but typically the weather will be -5 to -20 F, which is quite cold for us. :-) It lasts for several days, and everybody it seems "lives" outside for a few days for these activities which continue day and night. Chuck has a URL on it, and may want to comment further. A Anybody needs the working regexp? I'm starting the votes A collection;-) Yes, I for one would like a working regexp. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Never argue with a fool - people might not notice the difference. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: HTML
Gary I have been playing with this too. The only way I have come Gary across, (spent very little time on this project yet) is to make Gary a document, let's say in Word or WordPerfect, save it in HTML Gary format, and then send it as a MIME attachment. Chuck wrote: That *does* work rather well ... just did a short test to myself, and it came through nicely except, of course, for the graphics referenced in the HTML which are stored in my FTP directory ... if we wanted to include inline graphics which would display for the recipient when sending, could we do that, and if so, how would they need to be referenced in the HTML? Bingo. O.k. So I'll reveal why I need this. I have someone that doesn't know what an attachment is. Sent a couple of photgraphs to them at AOL, and they can't figure out how to view them. Nor can I figure out how to walk them through the process since I don't do AOL. When I said, save them in a subdirectory and then open a browser, all I got was: "What are those?" Therefore, I thought of doing an HTML message with the pictures included, except that I'm back to where I started. Still open to other suggestions, and perhaps a (loathed) feature for V2. Thanks. Derek -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -'95 Concours DoD #1359 COG #2103 SR #772 AEE #036025 ASHRAE #5106329 PADI NRA LF-FL A (American Association Against Acronym Abuse) Born to be Wild. Sentenced to Sedation. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 15:49, Chuck Mattsen wrote about "Re[2]: HTML": That *does* work rather well ... just did a short test to myself, and it came through nicely except, of course, for the graphics referenced in the HTML which are stored in my FTP directory ... if we wanted to include inline graphics which would display for the recipient when sending, could we do that, and if so, how would they need to be referenced in the HTML? Attach your images to the same message, too. Hrefs should be stated this way: img src="whatever.jpg" width=200 height=114 border=0 title="Whichever" alt="whichever" -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The first duty of love is to listen. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi there! On 31 Jan 00, at 6:45, John De Hoog wrote about "Re[3]: Signature Thing Frustration": Yes, I got one of those mails too. Interestingly, not everyone thinks the sig-dash standard is a good thing. When it was introduced to Datula, a Japanese mailer, the regulars on the Datula mailing list set up a howl, with some of them saying it was a really bad idea to have a program automatically cut out everything after the sig-dash. There was absolutely the same reaction on Pegasus mailing list once upon a time, when this question was raised. Some said, they always quote the signatures, some said, that the program should never assume for the user, etc., etc. Basically the audience felt like this feature is unnecessary. I'm not opposed to it myself, but if The Bat! is not going to make it easy for me to use it, I'm not going to waste more time than it's worth. Especially when we have the Select + F4 option, which I like much better. Let's face it, the only people for whom the sig-dash standard makes sense are those who blindly quote the entire message. And I'm not one of those, thank you. g Yes, point taken. I feel similarly. This is of course not a matter of life and death. Again, it's so simple to cut the signature off;-) It definitely takes less time then cutting off the gibberish some people tend to put into the _bodies_ of their messages;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Have you crashed your Windows today? --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 15:59, Gary wrote about "Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration": A Care to explain all that to non-Americans? Or are you going to chat just A between yourselves? Sorry Alex, I will let Chuck go into detail if he wishes, but the largest (twin) cities in Minnesota (Minneapolis and St. Paul) have an Ice Festival each year at this time. The history of this festival goes back for over 100 years. Obviously, Minnesota is not as cold as the notorious Russian winters, but typically the weather will be -5 to -20 F, which is quite cold for us. :-) Judging by the C--F table I've got here, this means -20 to -25 C, which's too cold for me, personally, too;-) Right now it's about +30 F outdoors here;-) But well, frankly speaking, St. Peterburg is *of course* not Siberia;-) It's not even Moscow where they've got a considerable frost AFAIK. A Anybody needs the working regexp? I'm starting the votes A collection;-) Yes, I for one would like a working regexp. You're counted;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Don't take life too seriously; you won't get out of it alive. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: HTML
On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 4:00 PM or thereabouts, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote the following about HTML: Alexander Attach your images to the same message, too. Hrefs should Alexander be stated this way: Alexander img src="whatever.jpg" width=200 height=114 border=0 Alexander title="Whichever" alt="whichever" Thanks ... will give that a try. So we're essentially simply stripping any location info for the graphic and it "defaults" to the same directory as the .html file when viewing, right? Seems simple enough, if so. I normally despise getting a lot of useless HTML mail, but there *are* times when it can be handy. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Never parry with your face. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hi there! On 30 Jan 00, at 16:34, Chuck Mattsen wrote about "Re[2]: HTML": Alexander Attach your images to the same message, too. Hrefs should Alexander be stated this way: Alexander img src="whatever.jpg" width=200 height=114 border=0 Alexander title="Whichever" Alexander alt="whichever" Thanks ... will give that a try. So we're essentially simply stripping any location info for the graphic and it "defaults" to the same directory as the .html file when viewing, right? Seems simple enough, if so. Yeah, that's the whole idea, as I managed to get it;-) In fact, it's always a good idea to use relative paths in the HTMLs, unless the graphics you're using is located physically on another server (like in the case of banners;-)) I normally despise getting a lot of useless HTML mail, but there *are* times when it can be handy. Might be, although I seriously doubt this somehow. Many people are using MUAs that won't be able to render it anyway... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Letters and E-mails don't blush... --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Here in Minnesota, the home of the "Ice Thing" as Gary puts it g, we don't sweat the small stuff ... or any stuff, for that matter ... in January. AVK Care to explain all that to non-Americans? Or are you going to chat just AVK between yourselves? Heh, I live in the US, too, and have lived on both coasts, and never heard about it either. Guess that's what I get when I skip the 3000 miles / 4800km in between the coasts. ;) -20 is too cold for me too, that's one reason I left Vermont. Now I still have snow on the ground, but I'm in the desert so it's warm-cold. ;) -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:41:05 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: P.S. For all of you struggling with the sig delimiters, proper improper ones: why the hell not write a *simple* regexp instead of relying on TB's built-in sig- stripping capabilities? This way one can catch not only the "proper" delimiter: -\s--\s\n)? Just a question:-) Anybody needs the working regexp? I'm starting the votes collection;-) I don't want to take away Alexanders pleasure making up a *simple* Regexp, (i know that he can do very complicated ones) but i posted one that does a similar job some weeks ago in tbbeta. I have used it since then and it seems to work quite well. Additionally to the feature list above it does (iii) strip the PGP signature (which makes the Regexp not that simple anymore) but it does not (i) But this is easy to fix. Just insert |--\n at the right position ;-)) To not interfere with the vote taking, i don't repost the Regexp now (anybody can look it up in the tbbeta archive, look for "REGEXP example"), and i don't tell the exact position of the fix just now ;-)) Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "U dene n ischs i d Chnöde glöötet wie bschüttigs Chrüzimääl düre Chätschabertrog." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hello Chuck Mattsen, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 12:41:35 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Chuck Mattsen wrote: On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 11:15 AM or thereabouts, Thomas Fernandez wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Thomas You have life? - I have a computer. ;-) A meager semblance of one, barely ... would you believe I live in a one-room, studio apartment and just the other day I realized I'm surrounding by three functional PCs and three others in various states of repair/disrepair ... that's what happens when you work from home, I guess. Chuck You havent seen the room where I sit OR my living room. Even THIS system is under total renovation and while doing my email the rest of my e-drive is still being copied.. All the cases are semi permanent open, and I must have about 7 systems here in various stages of being changed/upgraded (except one, it caught fire on the motherboard...) -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hello dMb, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 4:26:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: Stupid question time: As much as I loathe HTML email messages, sometimes I find it necessary to generate a new message in that format (rather than plain text). Don't ask why. But...what I can't figure out is if it's possible to do this within TB. Could someone clue me in? I just looked at the various options both in the main program, and from within the editor, and I couldn't find anything. you are correct. Use anything else like netscape, dreamweaver or even ie, zip the result and attach it. TIA, Derek -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: HTML
Hello Chuck Mattsen, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 4:49:07 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Chuck Mattsen wrote: That *does* work rather well ... just did a short test to myself, and it came through nicely except, of course, for the graphics referenced in the HTML which are stored in my FTP directory ... if we wanted to include inline graphics which would display for the recipient when sending, could we do that, and if so, how would they need to be referenced in the HTML? You have to build the 'website' AS a website, ie graphics together with html so it links together. Personally though I hate receiving things like that... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: HTML
Hi Chuck, On Sunday, January 30, 2000, 3:49:07 PM, you hammered out: Gary I have been playing with this too. The only way I have come Gary across, (spent very little time on this project yet) is to make Gary a document, let's say in Word or WordPerfect, save it in HTML Gary format, and then send it as a MIME attachment. C That *does* work rather well ... just did a short test to myself, and C it came through nicely except, of course, for the graphics referenced C in the HTML which are stored in my FTP directory ... if we wanted to C include inline graphics which would display for the recipient when C sending, could we do that, and if so, how would they need to be C referenced in the HTML? I have another way to do this, if you truly do not want to play around with any coding. It is a 2 step process. 1. Make up what you want in Word (or whatever), and save in HTML format. 2. If you are using Internet Exploder version 5, drag and drop or open your saved HTML Word document in the Exploder. Now in Internet Exploder, save the Word HTML document as "Save As" either Web Archive for Email, or "Save As" Web Page HTML only. Do not choose Web Page complete "Save As". By doing this, all of your java scripting, pictures, wav files, or whatever you have added, is saved inline and together with the HTML document and not in separate subdirectories. :-) I'm going back to the Super Bowl! -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: "At any given point of time, you are exactly what you wanted to be." - Vinny Nayak PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: HTML
Hello dMb, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 5:04:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: Therefore, I thought of doing an HTML message with the pictures included, except that I'm back to where I started. Do it in pagemaker?? Asuming they can see the result? Still open to other suggestions, and perhaps a (loathed) feature for V2. Thanks. Derek -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hello Tom Plunket, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 6:00:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: -20 is too cold for me too, that's one reason I left Vermont. Now I still have snow on the ground, but I'm in the desert so it's warm-cold. ;) Whats Snow? I havent seen any in 13 years... Not only that, last time I spend some time in Europe I had the heater turned up as all my muscles kind of 'froze' and when they came home you should have heard the complaints as I had the heater up to 30C... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Digest Set-up
Hi Allie, On 30 January 2000 at 17:03:25 GMT -0500 (which was 22:03 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: If you had it MIME digest format, then each message would be separate and then you would simply hit the reply button for the message you wish to reply to. So, How do I get MIME digest format? AM I don't know if this list provides a daily digest of it's AM messages as a MIME format. I'm hoping that one of the moderators will AM chime in here. :-) No - our server is not so well endowed as to be capable :-(. Simple digest format is all we currently support. This has been mentioned as a topic to the makers and AFAIK is on the wish-list. With the software nearing the end of a recent Alpha - Beta cycle and reaching RC status, I don't think they'll be throwing in MIME digests this time round. We'll let you know (with an announcement) if this changes. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Automatic option to not download but leave on server
Hello, Batmen and women, One option I use frequently in Datula and EdMax is to leave certain messages on the server without downloading them, so I can download them from a different location later. For example, I don't want to read all the messages for the Datula and EdMax lists while I'm at my office, unless they are from the developers themselves. So I have Datula filters set up to leave all messages for these lists on the server, and to download only those from the program developers. I'd like to do the same thing in The Bat!, but this feature appears to be missing. Is it? (I know I can do it with the dispatcher, but I want to do it automatically.) -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Automatic option to not download but leave on server
Hello Doc, On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 09:41:39 GMT +0900 (which was 4:41 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Hello, Batmen and women, I'd like to do the same thing in The Bat!, but this feature appears to be missing. Is it? (I know I can do it with the dispatcher, but I want to do it automatically.) The Bat downloads the messages first, then it applies the appropriate filter sets, so what you request can't be done exactly the way you describe. But there is a work around that might do what you need. If you set your work computer to Leave Messages on Server (Account-Properties-Mail Management), then you can create filters to move the unwanted mail to some other folder, leaving behind just the ones you want to keep. Then your home computer can download all your messages. This solution is not quite as elegant as what you requested, but it should do the job. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 03:46:40 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: %REGEXPQUOTES="(?s)(.*?)(^(-\s)?--(\s)?\n|^(-\s)?---(\s)?\n|\Z)" And so on;-) OK, it works now. Very well at that. :) For those interested if you wish to have the signature delimiter that's not confined to simply sensing --spacenewline then simply replace %QUOTES in your reply templates with the above macro. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** He who Laughs, Lasts. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi there! On 31 Jan 00, at 0:18, Peter Steiner wrote about "Re: Signature Thing Frustration": P.S. For all of you struggling with the sig delimiters, proper improper ones: why the hell not write a *simple* regexp instead of relying on TB's built-in sig- stripping capabilities? This way one can catch not only the "proper" delimiter (dash-dash-space), but also: (i) improper one (dash-dash-newline), it would be --\n in regexp; (ii) the one "delt with" PGP (after PGP signing it becomes dash-space-dash- dash-space-newline: -\s--\s\n)? Just a question:-) Anybody needs the working regexp? I'm starting the votes collection;-) I don't want to take away Alexanders pleasure making up a *simple* Regexp, (i know that he can do very complicated ones) but i posted one that does a similar job some weeks ago in tbbeta. I have used it since then and it seems to work quite well. Additionally to the feature list above it does Ah, yeah, please excuse me, Peter, but I really have completely forgotten about that one of yours;-( You see, I'm not using TB right now (hope the things will change with ver.2 although;-)), and therefore I happily forgot about your regexp. My apologies... Anyhow, the "simple" variant has been already posted here by me, so why don't you make a repost of the "complicated" thing you had posted on TBBETA? BTW, I think the trick shouldn't be done with *one* regexp, I rather think two or more subsequent calls should be used. This would simplify the maintenance of the whole thing. For example, first strip off the signature, then apply another regexp that would strip away the PGP stuff (the PGP signature itself is likely to be already removed at this point, BTW; hence chances are that only PGP header is left to be trashed)... As far as I understand, such approach would make the parser a bit slower, but OTOH will help the "user" type of our audience to keep their hands "on pulse" of the abovementioned regexps;-) (iii) strip the PGP signature (which makes the Regexp not that simple anymore) but it does not (i) But this is easy to fix. Just insert |--\n at the right position ;-)) Yup;-) Now tell them all what's right position... To not interfere with the vote taking, i don't repost the Regexp now (anybody can look it up in the tbbeta archive, look for "REGEXP example"), and i don't tell the exact position of the fix just now ;-)) Hey, you're of sadistic disposition then;-)? -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Who is #1? You are, #6. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:02:02 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote: I pick and choose what I delete, but I do start with everything quoted. Just means less to delete for me, and in the end it really doesn't matter that much since a few more shift-arrow presses aren't a terrible thing... Think of it in cumulative terms then. ;) Small unnecessary (or even necessary ones such as a message greeting) manoeuvres done repeatedly add up. In my line of work this is of major concern hence my unusual concern with this sort of thing I guess. Those 'few more shift arrow presses' done 1000 times (you'd be surprised how quickly you reach that number)add up. Using F4 every time to avoid signatures is not efficient either since you have to select text and then hit F4 instead of just hitting Ctrl-Enter and go. This is why I love TB!'s template and folder specific settings support so much. It prevents my manually having to select which of my signatures to use each time. It prevents me from having to do a lot of small repetitive tasks while still maintaining a level of personalisation of correspondence where message structure is concerned that would be an extreme hassle to achieve with other clients. IMHO, I'd rather have them automatically left out. It's just another way of avoiding a simple yet highly repetitive task. On the rare occasion when I really need to quote the signature, I'll do it manually. I don't see the point in manually deleting it repeatedly for the sake of the rare event that I may wish to quote it. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control! ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Test message
Hello Tom Plunket, On Saturday, January 29, 2000 at 10:57:13 GMT -0800 (which was 31/01/2000 1:57 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: Forgive me for the this test message. AVK List--Help: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AVK Syafril! It works, except for list-help. Apparently thi should have been: AVK List-Help: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TP Also, if you're trying to make a mailto: URL you need to lose the TP space. Some of the headers had 'em, others didn't... Sorry for my lack of understanding, can you explain a little bit more ? -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 31, 2000, 8:28:12 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Test message
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Friday, January 28, 2000 at 19:33:20 GMT +0300 (which was 31/01/2000 23:33 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: Forgive me for the this test message. AVK List--Help: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AVK Syafril! It works, except for list-help. Apparently thi should have been: AVK List-Help: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AVK (with one single dash), AFAIK. Yep, sorry for the typo, I just correct it. Thanks. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 31, 2000, 8:24:40 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Test message
Hi Syafril, On 31 January 2000 at 08:29:07 GMT +0700 (which was 01:29 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TP Also, if you're trying to make a mailto: URL you need to lose the TP space. Some of the headers had 'em, others didn't... SH Sorry for my lack of understanding, can you explain a little bit more SH ? AVK List-Help: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ This space is wrong -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Automatic option to not download but leave on server
Januk Aggarwal wrote... The Bat downloads the messages first, then it applies the appropriate filter sets, so what you request can't be done exactly the way you describe. But there is a work around that might do what you need. I already have separate folders for messages from the developer and others, but when I'm busy I don't want those others even to be downloaded. I guess since The Bat! doesn't do any automatic server-side filtering, there's no hope of getting this one. On the other hand, The Bat! has some options not in Datula, such as automatically marking a message as read. It would be nice to combine the best feature of both programs -- Batula! Batula! would have The Bat!'s editor, MailTicker(TM) and sorting rules interface, Datula's Japanese-language handling and server-side filtering and configurable key assignment and one-key navigation across folders, etc. Great idea, no? -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Automatic option to not download but leave on server
Hi Januk, On 31 January 2000 at 16:53:50 GMT -0800 (which was 00:53 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: I'd like to do the same thing in The Bat!, but this feature appears to be missing. Is it? (I know I can do it with the dispatcher, but I want to do it automatically.) JA The Bat downloads the messages first, then it applies the JA appropriate filter sets, so what you request can't be done exactly JA the way you describe. But there is a work around that might do JA what you need. If you set your work computer to Leave Messages on JA Server (Account-Properties-Mail Management), then you can create JA filters to move the unwanted mail to some other folder, leaving JA behind just the ones you want to keep. Then your home computer can JA download all your messages. JA This solution is not quite as elegant as what you requested, but it JA should do the job. OTOH by using "Leave messages on the server" and using filters at each end, you can have the filters "Delete the message from the server" appropriately using the "Actions" tab for the filters. HTH -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
OT: TB v2 and Xanadu (was:Re: Displaying Digest results in line)
Hi Alexander, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:48:28 +0300GMT (31/01/2000, 02:48 +0800GMT), Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: In version 2 ;-) AVK This answer is not an answer at all... I didn't ask "where", I did ask "when";-) That's what I answered, too. Have you ever heard of Project Xanadu? since 1972 you always heard "it will be ready in six months". I was amazed to learn that, since last year, there is actually a web site and they are starting... kind of taking the fun out of waiting for it, don't you think? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Automatic option to not download but leave on server
Hello Doc, On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 11:02:47 GMT +0900 (which was 6:02 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Januk Aggarwal wrote... The Bat downloads the messages first, then it applies the appropriate filter sets, so what you request can't be done exactly the way you describe. But there is a work around that might do what you need. I already have separate folders for messages from the developer and others, but when I'm busy I don't want those others even to be downloaded. Just an extension to what I was saying earlier, do you know about the option in the filters to delete the message when applied? For example, you can create an incoming filter for all messages from that list which are not from the developers. Then under the Actions tab, you can delete them. So if you set TB to leave messages on the server, you will download the messages, but you'll never see them. They will be deleted as soon as they hit the Inbox. But they will still be on the server if you want to download them to another machine. Just an idea. I still agree with you that filters should be applied *before* downloading, but unless you restrict the search areas to the headers, this isn't practical. I guess since The Bat! doesn't do any automatic server-side filtering, there's no hope of getting this one. Not yet. Hopefully they will implement it in version 2. But I don't recall anyone mentioning this feature. On the other hand, The Bat! has some options not in Datula, such as automatically marking a message as read. It would be nice to combine the best feature of both programs -- Batula! That's a great idea. Now you just have to get everyone to agree what are the *best* features of each. :) Batula! would have The Bat!'s editor, MailTicker(TM) and sorting rules interface, Agreed. Datula's Japanese-language handling and server-side filtering and configurable key assignment and one-key navigation across folders, etc. Great idea, no? I've never used Datula, so I'll believe you about the quality of the filtering. But I would *love* the one-key navigation across folders. There have been rumors that it will be supported in version 2. I'm getting the feeling that version 2 won't be at all similar to 1.xx. I hope that's for the better, although 1.xx is going to be a hard act to follow. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hi John, On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:45:44 +0900GMT (31/01/2000, 05:45 +0800GMT), John De Hoog wrote: JDH I'm not opposed to it myself, but if The Bat! is not going to make JDH it easy for me to use it, I'm not going to waste more time than it's JDH worth. Especially when we have the Select + F4 option, which I like JDH much better. Let's face it, the only people for whom the sig-dash JDH standard makes sense are those who blindly quote the entire message. JDH And I'm not one of those, thank you. g I don't see a big difference in selecting the part-to-quote first and then hitting F4, or just hitting reply and selecting the part-to-delete and hitting the DEL key. I think it's a matter of taste, of what you are used to. The sig delimiter helps insofar, as I don't need to delete that part of the message. It's not only that I get around 100 messages a day plus TBUDL+TBBETA, it's that most of my time is not spent on the computer. And these sig deletions do add up. If it makes no difference to you, just put the sig delimiter in your template out of courtesy, won't cost you anything. Thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Test message
JA As you can see from the above, there are spaces between mailto: and JA the address in some of the headers above. It doesn't matter yet JA since TB doesn't support those features in any advanced way, but if JA and when it does, this might present a problem. More to the point, the space invalidates the URL, but TB, as most MUAs, interprets [EMAIL PROTECTED] as an email address that can be clicked on, so it highlights that, independent of the mailto: indicator. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Hi Tom, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:39:11 -0800GMT (28/01/2000, 13:39 +0800GMT), Tom Plunket wrote: JA Actually this is problem that has been encountered before, but for JA some reason it never generated much useful discussion on the list. I JA guess not too many people can afford to leave their Internet JA connections on long enough to verify this bug. JDH Will do. I'll get back to you in another 36 hours or so. ^-^; TP I'll double "Doc Wonmug"'s experiment. I usually shut TB down when I TP go home for the night, but I'll try to keep it running for a couple of TP days. I had TB running from Friday morning untill this morning, roughly 72 hours on a permanent connection. When I came to the office this morning, TB was still checking for mail every 5 minutes. :-) One thing, however: it was awfully slow when moving from one folder to another. I then closed TB, and upon reopen, the speed was up to normal. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Test message
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Monday, January 31, 2000 at 17:43:58 GMT -0800 (which was 31/01/2000 8:43 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: [ ... ] List-Administrator: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JA ^^^ JA And the last one JA As you can see from the above, there are spaces between mailto: and JA the address in some of the headers above. It doesn't matter yet JA since TB doesn't support those features in any advanced way, but if JA and when it does, this might present a problem. OK, I delete the space, thanks. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 31, 2000, 9:38:58 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Filter Help.
Hello Shanmugam Ganeshkumar, On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 21:05:43 GMT +0700 (GMT+0700) (which was 31/01/2000 21:05 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: SG Whenever I create a filter and close the program the filter goes SG away. I have tried all the setting and all seems to be ok. SG Can someone tell me how to handel this filters so that the rules remain SG forever. Is there a way to save this feature? Are you change the directory of folder from one drive to other or change the windows profile (logon to windows with other user) ? Check out, if account.fld file already on The Bat! default directory. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 31, 2000, 10:23:48 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: RFC2369 (was:Re: Test message)
Hello Steve Lamb, On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 21:12:21 GMT -0800 (which was 31/01/2000 12:12 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: SL Why not both until that time? It is always good to have the machine SL readable information there. :P Wouldn't that be even more KB's coming down the old DUN connection? SL Prolly. Of course, while we're at it let's remove all the other SL machine readable headers as well. Reply-to, reference, SL in-reply-to, x-sender, etc, etc, etc. :) Well, if needed I can stripe out any of message header (as Listar or EZMLM did), our Server having this capability, perhaps later when the time permitted. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 31, 2000, 10:28:45 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Datula
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Thursday, January 27, 2000, 2:56:11 PM, John wrote: JDH Keith wrote... KR On Thursday, 27 January, 2000, 7:35:11 AM, Mark wrote: Checked out Datula from the link on your site, very nice MUA, just need to learn Japanese now:-) Do you know if they plan an English interface? KR Agreed. I also enjoyed the rest of your Web site; it made me very KR envious. JDH Thanks. Datula will be arriving in English later this year. It was JDH supposed to be out last month, but I was able to convince the author JDH to work on improving the news reader side of things before releasing JDH it. If he does so successfully, it's going to be a killer program. KR By the way, where did the "wonmug" come from? JDH The Alley Oop comic series, which goes way back in time. The scientist JDH who created the time machine in that comic was Doc Wonmug (one mug, JDH ein stein, get it?). Ah, yes, I remember Doc Wonmug well. Brings back memories of Daisy Mae and the schmoos 8-). Funny I didn't think to associate your alias with him -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Tom Plunket wrote... Had it up for three days, no apparent problems. Didn't notice the slowdown, but that may have been there... Had to reboot my machine though since IE crashed it yesterday... :( It takes a real man to keep it up for three days. I managed to go for close to 36 hours, but when I started messing with NJWin for Japanese support, it made my system tray disappear and I had to reboot to get it back. All the more reason to hope for real Japanese support. (Any Windows NT experts out there who know how to restore the system tray display without rebooting, or better yet, how to prevent it from going away? Running systray.exe doesn't do it.) Probably should have inserted some appropriate emoticons up there somewhere, but what the hey, they don't call me old pokerface for nothing. -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
TP I pick and choose what I delete, but I do start with everything TP quoted. Just means less to delete for me, and in the end it TP really doesn't matter that much since a few more shift-arrow TP presses aren't a terrible thing... AM Think of it in cumulative terms then. ;) Small unnecessary (or AM even necessary ones such as a message greeting) manoeuvres done AM repeatedly add up. Oh sure, my point was that I delete so much other text that it's not really that big of a deal to me, especially when considering that the majority of my time is snipping paragraphs and reformatting (love TB!s reformat, for sure). Deleting text is one of the easiest things to do. I *appreciate* when the sig goes away, but it doesn't kill me when it doesn't. Let me just say that. ;) -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Signature Thing Frustration
Hello Alexander and TB! addicts On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:04:35 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: ^^ Sleepless in St. Petersburg?? ;-) Ah, yeah, please excuse me, Peter, but I really have completely forgotten about that one of yours;-( You see, I'm not using TB right now (hope the things will change with ver.2 although;-)), I hope that too. I wouldn't want to loose your postings here :-) so why don't you make a repost of the "complicated" thing you had posted on TBBETA? I can think of no good answer... So i do repost: one long line %QUOTES="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --|--\n|-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3""" /one long line To use it, replace the macro %QUOTES in your reply templates with this long line. BTW, I think the trick shouldn't be done with *one* regexp, I rather think two or more subsequent calls should be used. This would simplify the maintenance of the whole thing. For example, first strip off the signature, then apply another regexp that would strip away the PGP stuff (the PGP signature itself is likely to be already removed at this point, BTW; hence chances are that only PGP header is left to be trashed)... I will think about this, but right now i have to leave for work. but it does not (i) But this is easy to fix. Just insert |--\n at the right position ;-)) Yup;-) Now tell them all what's right position... Column 89, see above. To not interfere with the vote taking, i don't repost the Regexp now (anybody can look it up in the tbbeta archive, look for "REGEXP example"), and i don't tell the exact position of the fix just now ;-)) Hey, you're of sadistic disposition then;-)? For that you will have to ask my friends (do I have any?), but i think it's more teasing than being sadistic ;-) Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Schtill! Was ziberlet dert näbem Tobelöhli z grachtige n uuf u aab?" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Success with Japanese
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
On Saturday, January 29, 2000, 7:20:49 PM, John wrote:
[snip]
JDH To get the charset header, open the Xlat manager under Options, add an
JDH entry for Korean, and put the char set in Character set name. Then
JDH make Korean your default character set or the one you define for
JDH specific folders or templates. You can also select it individually
JDH when you compose a message, under Options | Message encoding.
Ah. I had assumed there was more that needed to be done, such as
setting up mapping tables. Apparently all we're doing, though, is
telling TB what charset to put in the header; I don't think it affects
how TB actually handles the message.
JDH Just for
JDH fun I've added it to this message, and here's some Japanese for you.
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
Thanks. It looks good, and I can actually "read" it. Of course,
"understanding" is another matter; it's been 30 years, and once I got
past the initial kanji
JDH There's a problem here, though. Perhaps since The Bat! won't let me
JDH change the transfer encoding to 7 bits (since ISO-2022-JP is a 7-bit
JDH transfer encoding scheme that uses an escape sequence to encode 8-bit
JDH characters), or perhaps because of a weakness in NJWin or in my
JDH understanding of it, the text is actually sent as Shift-JIS, not the
JDH encoding in my header.
Ouch! Not good; that's a pretty major difference.
Note that I received the following header in your message:
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by coral.ocn.ne.jp id LAA14050
JDH As a result, if you were to view the above in a
JDH Japanese font, you should be able to read it even without a program
JDH like NJWin, and in fact it will look better than with NJWin's fonts.
But probably not in English Win95/98
JDH But at the same time Shift-JIS is not really recommended for Internet
JDH mail use, although many Web sites use it. It can get mangled in some
JDH systems and even will crash some older systems.
Right.
JDH On the font issue, it seems that NJWin uses its own fonts, which are
JDH kind of ugly.
Are you sure they're NJWin fonts? I'll have to try viewing your
Japanese with the various viewers I have and see if there's a
difference, I guess.
JDH I've ordered the official version, which is supposed to
JDH have better font support. But The Bat!, as you noted, does not seem to
JDH have a way to change fonts outside the editor and viewer, such as
JDH those in the header display.
Can you really effectively change fonts in the editor and viewer?
Granted, I can change them; it just doesn't same to make any
difference--I always get the same Korean font displayed.
In return for your Japanese, here's some Korean for you!
ÀÌ°ÍÀº ùÛÏÐåÞÀÔ´Ï´Ù.
Let me know how both the Korean and Japanese come through in this
message.
Thomas and those of you running NT and 2000 with CJK support, what are
you seeing?
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