RE: only one pop3 check possible

[David Prodinger]

hi all !


> -Original Message-
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ming-Li
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: only one pop3 check possible

> DP>> under win2k prof (german) it is only possible to check for
> DP>> mails once. every following check creates a log "FETCH - Could
> DP>> not connect to the server".

> > There  is  a  known  issue with the configuration of ZoneAlarm for
> > use with TB that sounds similar. I don't use ZA but many here do.

> Below is a solution given by A.C. Martin in an earlier post:




Yes! that was it :)
hard to find out, especially because the first check succeeds.

thanks !
Dave
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Re[2]: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Fred van Veen]

Hello All,
On 27-7-2000 1:26:53, Tony wrote:

T> This message: 27/07/2000 00:25 GMT.
T> Hello Steve,

T> On 26 July 2000 at 15:50:08 GMT -0700 (which was 23:50 where I live)
T> Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

SL>>   What preview pane?  :P


T>   I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above the
T>   preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee seen
T>   from the example.
  
I like this suggestion, but sometimes I receive 20 attachments or
more! How would it look like than?
Wouldn't be a good idea to show all attachments on it's own page in
the message.
\1   /attachments / space.png / ETC  /
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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Januk,

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:43:15 -0700GMT (27/07/2000, 12:43 +0800GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> Well these areas are never quite the right size anyway.  I find that
JA> usually there is either one Recipient listed, or way too many to see
JA> them all, regardless of the screen width.  Now, if these fields were
JA> changed to dropdown lists, or something along the lines of what
JA> Netscape messenger does, then I would be closer to my e-mail utopia.

Drop-down, yeah. I second that.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Thomas,


On  Wednesday, July 26, 2000  at  12:44:49 GMT +0800 (which was 9:44 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> So I have to go to crtl-shft-K and see all headers. Instead, I would
> like a little window (option, for those who like the current way) that
> shows all recipients, osrting by TO and CC, very much like the window
> that opens when you create a message and click on the little
> addre4ssbook icon on the right end of the TO and CC lists (albeit in
> received messages, you will of course not need the left half of the
> window, the addressbook itself).

 That sounds like an interesting implementation.  I would prefer
something inline, since I don't really care for pop-up windows for
essential info.  But as pop-up windows go, your idea is pretty good.

>  Am I making myself clear or does this sound confused?

 No, I think you're making yourself very clear.


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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Leif,

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:58:27 +0900GMT (27/07/2000, 08:58 +0800GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:


LG> Besides, if I want to see everyone a message was addressed to, I
LG> just CTRL-SHFT-K anyways.

This is something I really don't like, by the way. I often need to who
received a certain message apart form me, as I have to forward it if
someone is left out who should kmow about this circular.

So I have to go to crtl-shft-K and see all headers. Instead, I would
like a little window (option, for those who like the current way) that
shows all recipients, osrting by TO and CC, very much like the window
that opens when you create a message and click on the little
addre4ssbook icon on the right end of the TO and CC lists (albeit in
received messages, you will of course not need the left half of the
window, the addressbook itself). Am I making myself clear or does this
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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Leif,


On  Wednesday, July 26, 2000  at  09:58:27 GMT +0900 (which was 5:58 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> Yeah, maybe someone will complain about it shortening the available
> viewable area of the TO, FROM, SUBJECT etc.

Well these areas are never quite the right size anyway.  I find that
usually there is either one Recipient listed, or way too many to see
them all, regardless of the screen width.  Now, if these fields were
changed to dropdown lists, or something along the lines of what
Netscape messenger does, then I would be closer to my e-mail utopia.

> but oh well, you can't please everyone.

They don't have to please everyone, just me.  ;P


>  Besides, if I want to see everyone a message was
> addressed to, I just CTRL-SHFT-K anyways.

Unfortunately, that also shows a lot of junk too.  There isn't a way
to view raw *selected* headers in the message pane is there?  That
could be another acceptable alternative.



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Re: Manual Filter?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marc,


On  Wednesday, July 26, 2000  at  23:52:13 GMT -0400 (which was 8:52 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


>   Is there an option to manually apply a filter to a folder? So you
>   can filter messages that were created after the filter was?


 If all your filters are automatic filters, then set that one to
manual.  Then use Folder->Refilter.  Then select the filter set you
want to use and select "Manual Filters only".

 If you want to run your folder through all the filters in the
selected sets, then unchecking "Manual Filters only" will compare
every message in your folder to every filter (automatic or manual) in
the selected sets.  Of course this is conditional upon the actions and
order of the particular filters...
 


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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Tony,

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:26:53 +0100GMT (27/07/2000, 07:26 +0800GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

SL>>   What preview pane?  :P

TB>   I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above the
TB>   preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee seen
TB>   from the example.
  
1.) Steve was being sarcastic. He hates what he calls the "preview
pain".
2.) I like your suggestion as per the .png file you attached.

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Re: Change Subject: line?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Joe, 

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 22:08:59 [GMT -0500], you wrote:
JF> Is there any way to change/edit a message's Subject: line, say
JF> before archiving it, to more accurately describe the message's
JF> subject?

Well, a workaround, but not an elegant one is to move it to the
OUTBOX, edit it, save it, then move it. Unfortunately, doing this
changes the message date and time.



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Manual Filter?

[Marc Weinmann]

Hello tbuDL,

  Is there an option to manually apply a filter to a folder? So you
  can filter messages that were created after the filter was?

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Re[2]: Mouse Select

[Jody Watts]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 9:31:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] tickled the keyboard 
keys 
on the subject of "Mouse Select". My response follows:

No, but you can click on the first message and hold the Shift key and
click on the last message, _then_ move them where you want.

Also in place of the Shift key, you could use the Control key to "Pick
out" messages individually.

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SL> Tuesday, July 25, 2000, 6:46:26 PM, Ben wrote:
>> I suppose I didn't make myself too clear. What I would like to do is to
>> click and hold the left mouse button while I drag the cursor down the list
>> of messages, and then release it , and had have all of the messages the
>> cursor passed over highlighted. Then move the cursor to the wastebasket to
>> delete them.

SL> You were clear.  No, cannot be done.  As I said, this isn't OS/2.

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Change Subject: line?

[Joe Finocchiaro]

Is there any way to change/edit a message's Subject: line, say before
archiving it, to more accurately describe the message's subject?

Thanks!

PS:  I *love* The Bat! so far!

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Tom Plunket]

C> Right now I need the preview window width to be about 90
C> characters wide to view most messages without window wrapping kicks in.
C> To accommodate the attachments bar, I need about a 95 character width, a
C> width that I cannot get with TB! in full screen mode and the account
C> folder list getting adequate width. I therefore cannot use my preferred
C> font at the size I wish to.

I guess it's time to invest in a bigger monitor.  I see none of these
problems on my 21" 1600x1200@75Hz display.  :)

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Re: Threaded read (was:Re: (No Subject))

[dMb]

Marc wrote:

TF>> I don't read threaded - I must have too much time. However, the way I
TF>> understand it, if you set View/Trheads by reference, and then you keep
TF>> pressing the shift key to go through messages and have hit crtl+* to
TF>> expand all threads, you should be reading them thread-by-thread.

> How are some of you guys navigating? Just point + click?

I've experimented quite a bit with the threading options.

What I've found works best for me is View Threads by Subject, sort by
ascending Created Date.  Occasionally this will cause one or two
messages to be out of order, but for the most part, it works well.
Viewing by reference tends to split up the subjects into multiple
clusters of of the same subject, but not necessarily in order.

FWIW.

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Re[2]: Win ME

[Sashka]

Hello,

PS>>> I was wondering: does TB! work under Windows Millennium? 'Cause if it
PS>>> doesn't there is no need for me to install ME. Anyone tried the
PS>>> combination?
S>> TB! works ok... when ME works. As I told in few other mailing lists -
S>> WIndows ME is worsest Windows I ever used! And if Win98 works ok for
S>> you, just install IE5.5 and MediaPlayer 7 and you will get same thing
S>> as WinME :)
C> You're giving them the recipe to the worst windows yet?!!
C> That's not very nice now is it? 
why it should be nice? ;-) Right after releasing TheBat under Linux I
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Re: several queries

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 8:58 PM or thereabouts, Curtis wrote
the following about several queries:

Curtis> I think that he may be referring to the auto-indent switch.
Curtis> Simply disabling the auto-indent switch in the editor
Curtis> preferences should prevent the paragraph indentation.

Toggling off Auto Indent certainly prevents the margin from continuing
to be indented after the first instance, but it doesn't prevent the
left margin from becoming ragged since  at the end of a
line can still cause the following line to be indented one unnecessary
space.

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Re: several queries

[Leif Gregory]

Hello lostenroute, 

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 18:39:04 [GMT -0500], you wrote:
l> (1) What exactly is it that prevents me from viewing an html
l> document in The Bat? None of the pictures show and and icon for
l> netscape points to a URL in The Bat's directory (I think); in any
l> rate not to the web.

If the imaged is HREF'd off your machine to say, a web site, then TB
displays only exclamation points. If they HREF'd the attached images,
then TB will display them as normal. It was done this way on purpose.
One trick spammers use, is to assign a unique ID to an image request
in the HTML, so when you open the message, the image is requested from
the spammers web site, the unique ID is passed along to them, and they
now have a verified "live" e-mail address to sell to other spammers.

You're going to find a fairly even split of people on this subject,
and if you want to read past discussions concerning this, I suggest
you read the list archives.

Personally, I prefer it the way it is, but I foresee someone writing a
plugin for v2.0 (whenever it gets out! ) that will get the
on-line images for those who want them.

l> (2) Why are my messages sorted by TIME all of a sudden; this is
l> useless to me, I want them sorted by DATE.

This is covered in the FAQ. All messages received on the current date
show only the time. These same messages will show the date as well
once the current day has ended. Don't worry, your messages are still
properly sorted.

l> (3) Is there any hope of fixing the bug that causes progressive
l> indentations of paragraphs if you happen to be at the end of the
l> wordwrap line and hit ? One does this conventionally
l> after every period.

This has been brought up many times as well, and Steve will be the
first to side with you on this one as he also is used to the
   style of writing. You can't please
everyone, and some people (like me) like using the ALT-L to remove the
double-spaces from replied messages.

l> (4) I believe I am signed up as [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is
l> a pseudonym for the real account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the
l> former for web-based correspondence as, for example, when your
l> (ritlabs) URL had me sign up to the mailing list. So I can now only
l> post to TBUDL from Netscape mail, not from The Bat. If I sign up
l> again from jpcase. . . (using The Bat), I will doubtless get two
l> copies of all email and that is not acceptable. So, how do I switch
l> my registration? Or at least un-register by one route (lostenroute.
l> . .) so I can sign up by the other (jpcase. . .)

Unsub the lostenroute address and sub the jpcase address. See the
bottom of every message coming from this list for exact instructions.

However, a quick fix to your problem is to create a folder for TBUDL
messages, and make the reply and new message templates for that folder
to have the FROM and REPLY-TO information as lostenroute. This way,
you get the best of both worlds-- list messages sent to lostenroute,
and the ability to send messages to the list using TB.

l> Is anyone following this?

Perfectly! 



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Re: Win ME

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:52:02 -0400, Sashka wrote:

PS>> I was wondering: does TB! work under Windows Millennium? 'Cause if it
PS>> doesn't there is no need for me to install ME. Anyone tried the
PS>> combination?
S> TB! works ok... when ME works. As I told in few other mailing lists -
S> WIndows ME is worsest Windows I ever used! And if Win98 works ok for
S> you, just install IE5.5 and MediaPlayer 7 and you will get same thing
S> as WinME :)

You're giving them the recipe to the worst windows yet?!!
That's not very nice now is it? 

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Re: several queries

[Curtis]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:47:59 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

l>> (3)  Is there any hope of fixing the bug that causes progressive
l>> indentations of paragraphs if you happen to be at the end of the
l>> wordwrap line and hit ?  One does this conventionally
l>> after every period.

MDP> This is not a bug. This is the way TB can be configured to behave
MDP> and, I  think,  behaves  by  default.  I like the way it does this.
MDP> Perhaps someone  else on the list who doesn't like it can better
MDP> advise you as to  the  option settings they use to change this
MDP> behaviour - it can be changed.

I think that he may be referring to the auto-indent switch.
Simply disabling the auto-indent switch in the editor preferences should
prevent the paragraph indentation.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:38:38 -0400, Sashka wrote:

S> Yeah! it's what I wanted to see in TB! for long long time, but since
S> in message can be not only one attachment, but few it will be better
S> to make it like in OE. dropdown menu with list of attachments and
S> command Save all.

Yeah, this is one of the few things that I like about OE. It
displays the presence of attachments and lets you view attachments in a
neat and unobtrusive manner, ie, the little paper clip at the upper
right hand corner with a drop down menu, each item having it's own right
click context menu.

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Re: Threaded read (was:Re: (No Subject))

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:11:01 -0400, Marc Weinmann wrote:

MW> I'd like to revisit this issue, since I still don't have it working..
MW> Can TB display messages in the message window (not the preview pane)
MW> in order of thread, and only unread messages?

Yes. The folder view message list is capable of everything the
main window message list is. You can thread it, view only unread
messages etc. Unfortunately you can't make a selective message view such
as unread messages your default view. You have to manually select the
view each time. This is not good but  the wish for otherwise has
been stated on many an occasion already.

MW>  What I've tried so far is navigating with space or cntrl-] and it
MW> skips around.

This is what I use. Luckily this shortcut cycles through the
messages, starting from the beginning of the list again when it reaches
the end. Since I thread by references, I can still follow very well the
discussions even though I may not be reading the messages one after the
other from older to new in terms of creation dates and times.

MW>  If I use space within the preview pane, it does go in the order of
MW> the message list (which if properly sorted), but all, not just
MW> unread.

The space bar will not open a collapsed thread either. It will
simply jump from the first message of a collapsed thread to another. The
scroll-bar is not, IMHO, a good way of navigating the threaded view.

MW> duh.. just answered my own question.. I guess I can display only the
MW> unread messages... but how can I do this (read in order of thread from
MW> within a message box)

In the folder view window go to the 'View' menu and select
'message list'. This will display the message list. You may now use the
same menu to get it to display according to threads etc.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Leif,

On 27 July 2000 at 09:58:27 GMT +0900 (which was 01:58 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Before I open a suggestion on this...":

LG> Oh, believe me... I couldn't agree more. Personally, I think they
LG> should be shoved into the grey bar showing the headers and message
LG> size, similar to Outlook/OE. There is a ton of room over there on
LG> the right side.

IMHO  That  whole  panel  could lift right out from where it is and be
fitted  on  the RHS of that header panel. Scroll bars within that pane
would cater for longer lists of attachments.

LG> Yeah, maybe someone will complain about it shortening the available
LG> viewable area of the TO, FROM, SUBJECT etc. but oh well, you can't
LG> please everyone. Besides, if I want to see everyone a message was
LG> addressed to, I just CTRL-SHFT-K anyways.

I  usually have to do that anyway as soon as there are more than three
recipients.

Hey  -  there's  a  lot  of  us  here  that  agree with this interface
suggestion.  I have a sneaky suspicion that we may have said enough to
see something like it in the (now even further!) delayed v2.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Steve, 

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 13:58:06 [GMT -0700], you wrote:
SL> ...is there any way to have attachments show up at the bottom of
SL> the edit and folder view windows instead of the side? The side is
SL> absolutely the stupidest place to put it because causes the width
SL> of the view window to change. This is a problem in that my edit
SL> and view windows are wide enough for 80 characters, an attachment
SL> comes in (like SLIME, er, SMIME) and all of a sudden it is down to
SL> 72ish and I need to scroll to read/edit.

Oh, believe me... I couldn't agree more. Personally, I think they
should be shoved into the grey bar showing the headers and message
size, similar to Outlook/OE. There is a ton of room over there on the
right side.

Yeah, maybe someone will complain about it shortening the available
viewable area of the TO, FROM, SUBJECT etc. but oh well, you can't
please everyone. Besides, if I want to see everyone a message was
addressed to, I just CTRL-SHFT-K anyways.


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Re: Threaded read (was:Re: (No Subject))

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Marc,

On 27 July 2000 at 20:11:01 GMT -0400 (which was 01:11 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Threaded read (was:Re: (No Subject))":

MW> How are some of you guys navigating? Just point + click?

Who  me?  The  ticker view evangelist? It does it all IMHO! Threaded -
only  and  all  new  messages - in creation order - cross-folder. What
more  does  a cool guy need? ;-) Just enable the ticker, size and move
it  to  be  less  obtrusive on your screen, double click on it when it
shows  and enjoy the simplicity of all new mail, threaded, ordered and
gathered together in one virtual folder.

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Re: Win ME

[Sashka]

Hello,

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 3:20:45 PM, you wrote:

PS>   Utrecht/NL, 26-7-2000

PS> Hi TBUDL-people,

PS> I was wondering: does TB! work under Windows Millennium? 'Cause if it
PS> doesn't there is no need for me to install ME. Anyone tried the
PS> combination?
TB! works ok... when ME works. As I told in few other mailing lists -
WIndows ME is worsest Windows I ever used! And if Win98 works ok for
you, just install IE5.5 and MediaPlayer 7 and you will get same thing
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Re: several queries

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Hi lostenroute,

On 27 July 2000 at 18:39:04 GMT -0500 (which was 00:39 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "several queries":

l> (1) What exactly is it that prevents me from viewing an html
l> document in The Bat? None of the pictures show and and icon for
l> netscape points to a URL in The Bat's directory (I think); in any
l> rate not to the web.

TB! Is not a browser and does not pretend to be a browser. Nor does it
link  to  browser  functions. GET commands to retrieve images from the
web  are  browser  related  functions.  If  an  image  is  an  in-line
attachment  to an HTML document it will show. If it is a web reference
that  needs  a  GET  command to retrieve it, a place-marker icon shows
instead.  TB  covers this shortfall by offering the HTML message as an
attachment  on  the  text  view  tab  for  that  message  which can be
double-clicked  to  launch  your favourite browser which can fetch the
out-of-line images should you wish.

I  would  like  to be able to place a small thermonuclear device as an
attachment  in  a  reply  to anyone who send me HTML mail with on-line
references. This is sadly not possible with current version of TB. ;-)

l> (2)  Why  are  my  messages sorted by TIME all of a sudden; this is
l> useless to me, I want them sorted by DATE.l

They are not. They are sorted by date. If the date is today's date, TB
suppresses it so that today's messages stand out from the crowd.

l> (3)  Is there any hope of fixing the bug that causes progressive
l> indentations of paragraphs if you happen to be at the end of the
l> wordwrap line and hit ?  One does this conventionally
l> after every period.

This is not a bug. This is the way TB can be configured to behave and,
I  think,  behaves  by  default.  I like the way it does this. Perhaps
someone  else on the list who doesn't like it can better advise you as
to  the  option settings they use to change this behaviour - it can be
changed.

l> (4)  I believe I am signed up as [EMAIL PROTECTED]  That is a
l> pseudonym for the real account [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I use the former
l> for web-based correspondence as, for example, when your (ritlabs) URL
l> had me sign up to the mailing list.  So I can now only post to TBUDL
l> from Netscape mail, not from The Bat.  If I sign up again from jpcase. .
l> . (using The Bat), I will doubtless get two copies of all email and that
l> is not acceptable.  So, how do I switch my registration?  Or at least
l> un-register by one route (lostenroute. . .) so I can sign up by the
l> other (jpcase. . .)

l> Is anyone following this?

:-)

Send  a  message  to  tbudl.sub from the jpcase account. Once you have
confirmed  membership  for  that  address,  send  a  message  from the
lostenroute  account  to tbudl.unsub. That should do it. You may get a
few  duplicates  for  a  short  while  but, heck, there's a good "Kill
Dupes" option in TB.

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Re[2]: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Sashka]

Hello,

SL>>   What preview pane?  :P
TB>   I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above the
TB>   preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee seen
TB>   from the example.
Yeah! it's what I wanted to see in TB! for long long time, but since
in message can be not only one attachment, but few it will be better
to make it like in OE. dropdown menu with list of attachments and
command Save all.


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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Tony,

On 27 July 2000 at 00:26:53 GMT +0100 (which was 00:26 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Before I open a suggestion on this...":

TB>   ... as can bee seen from the example.
  
Slap  around  face  with  moistened  trout  for sending attachments to
TBUDL. Let's not make it a habit guys'n'gals. Nice mock-up, however!

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Re: Win ME

[Marc Weinmann]

Hello Pim,

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 15:20:45, you wrote:

PS>   Utrecht/NL, 26-7-2000

PS> Hi TBUDL-people,

PS> I was wondering: does TB! work under Windows Millennium? 'Cause if it
PS> doesn't there is no need for me to install ME. Anyone tried the
PS> combination?


No reason why it shouldn't. Not a major revision or anything.. works
fine under Win2k.

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Win ME

[Pim Slim]

  Utrecht/NL, 26-7-2000

Hi TBUDL-people,

I was wondering: does TB! work under Windows Millennium? 'Cause if it
doesn't there is no need for me to install ME. Anyone tried the
combination?

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Re: several queries

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 6:39 PM or thereabouts, lostenroute
wrote the following about several queries:

lostenroute> (1) What exactly is it that prevents me from viewing an
lostenroute> html document in The Bat? None of the pictures show and
lostenroute> and icon for netscape points to a URL in The Bat's
lostenroute> directory (I think); in any rate not to the web.

I think you'll find that most users (at least those who are vocal on
these lists) prefer things the way they are.  I don't happen to be one
of them, but that's beside the point.  If the graphics are located
elsewhere (i.e., on the Internet), TB! does not fetch them, but
instead shows the exclamation mark icon as a placeholder.

lostenroute> (2) Why are my messages sorted by TIME all of a sudden;
lostenroute> this is useless to me, I want them sorted by DATE.

Any messages from the same date show only as time; messages from any
earlier date show both date and time.  I think yours are probably
sorted correctly by date, but the difference in method of display can
be confusing, I agree.

lostenroute> (3) Is there any hope of fixing the bug that causes
lostenroute> progressive indentations of paragraphs if you happen to
lostenroute> be at the end of the wordwrap line and hit
lostenroute> ? One does this conventionally after every
lostenroute> period.

I believe there's talk of being able to use an external editor in
version 2 if that comes out ... the  bug is one of my
annoyances, as well, and is a quirk of the TB! editor.


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Re: Threaded read (was:Re: (No Subject))

[Marc Weinmann]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, July 24, 2000, 14:09:40, you wrote:

TF> Hallo Marc,

TF> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:28:30 -0400 GMT (25/07/00, 00:28 +0800 GMT),
TF> Marc Weinmann wrote:

MW>>   Is there a way to read a mailing list that is in it's own folder in
MW>>   threaded view - by reading new messages in order of thread? When I
MW>>   read new messages it seems to skip around, perhaps in recieved
MW>>   order. I'd like to be able to read the new ones, one thread at a
MW>>   time.. Is this not possible, or am I missing something?

TF> I don't read threaded - I must have too much time. However, the way I
TF> understand it, if you set View/Trheads by reference, and then you keep
TF> pressing the shift key to go through messages and have hit crtl+* to
TF> expand all threads, you should be reading them thread-by-thread.

I'd like to revisit this issue, since I still don't have it working..
Can TB display messages in the message window (not the preview pane)
in order of thread, and only unread messages? What I've tried so far
is navigating with space or cntrl-] and it skips around. If I use
space within the preview pane, it does go in the order of the message
list (which if properly sorted), but all, not just unread.

duh.. just answered my own question.. I guess I can display only the
unread messages... but how can I do this (read in order of thread from
within a message box)

How are some of you guys navigating? Just point + click?

Thanks..

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[Rasyad]

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Ming-Li]

Hi All,

SL>>>   What preview pane?  :P

TB>>   I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above
TB>>   the preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee
TB>>   seen from the example.
  
> The potential problem is that the header bars thickness varies
> with how much header info the user wishes to display.

Not to mention that some people never use it, like me.

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several queries

[lostenroute]

Hi,
(1) What exactly is it that prevents me from viewing an html document in
The Bat?  None of the pictures show and and icon for netscape points to
a URL in The Bat's directory (I think); in any rate not to the web.

(2) Why are my messages sorted by TIME all of a sudden; this is useless
to me, I want them sorted by DATE.

(3)  Is there any hope of fixing the bug that causes progressive
indentations of paragraphs if you happen to be at the end of the
wordwrap line and hit ?  One does this conventionally
after every period.

(4)  I believe I am signed up as [EMAIL PROTECTED]  That is a
pseudonym for the real account [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I use the former
for web-based correspondence as, for example, when your (ritlabs) URL
had me sign up to the mailing list.  So I can now only post to TBUDL
from Netscape mail, not from The Bat.  If I sign up again from jpcase. .
. (using The Bat), I will doubtless get two copies of all email and that
is not acceptable.  So, how do I switch my registration?  Or at least
un-register by one route (lostenroute. . .) so I can sign up by the
other (jpcase. . .)

Is anyone following this?

Jack

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Curtis]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:26:53 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:

SL>>   What preview pane?  :P

TB>   I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above
TB>   the preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee
TB>   seen from the example.
  
The potential problem is that the header bars thickness varies
with how much header info the user wishes to display.

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Re[2]: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[phil]

Greetings Tony!

On  Wednesday, July 26, 2000  at  00:26:53 GMT +0100 (which was 4:26 PM where you 
think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

TB> This message: 27/07/2000 00:25 GMT.
TB> Hello Steve,

TB> On 26 July 2000 at 15:50:08 GMT -0700 (which was 23:50 where I live)
TB> Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

SL>>   What preview pane?  :P


TB>   I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above the
TB>   preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee seen
TB>   from the example.
you make a darn good point!




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Re: HTML Formatting

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:08:13 -0700, Tom Plunket wrote:

TP> I haven't read an HTML tag yet in TB, I don't think...

TP> Anyhow, the switch/setting you may well be after is Options->HTML
TP> AutoView.  Try that and get back to us.  ;)

I have, on quite a few occasions, received HTML messages which
on switching to the plain text view, showed the HTML message with tags
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Re: opera 4 and mailto

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:50:54 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote:

JHK> I have tried to set 'Use external client' to 'C:\Program Files\The
JHK> Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:' as instructed on the 'How Do I' page. That
JHK> only opens a new message window with an empty To field.

JHK> Any suggestions?

This is my command:

F:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe  mailto:%1

I also have TB! as my system default mailer. It works with Opera just
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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:50:36 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

ML> Again, if it's optional, I see no reason against it. If it's changed
ML> for good, then I'm against it. I like the attachment pane on the
ML> side, because I want to see more lines in the preview pane, while I
ML> usually have plenty of room left on the side.

I have for some time now been converted to reading text in
comfort. I therefore read text at size 14 when the font is nice and
large and when anti-aliasing has kicked in. I had to throw out my
preferred font because of this attachments bar that intrudes on my line
length. I have no problem scrolling in one direction but to scroll in
two directions or putting up with bad window wrapping just doesn't cut
it. :-)

Right now I need the preview window width to be about 90
characters wide to view most messages without window wrapping kicks in.
To accommodate the attachments bar, I need about a 95 character width, a
width that I cannot get with TB! in full screen mode and the account
folder list getting adequate width. I therefore cannot use my preferred
font at the size I wish to.

Using folder view is a solution but I'm using colour coding
quite a bit now and the colour coding gets messed up when new messages
are dynamically added to the folder views message list. I've since then
gone back to the preview pane.

Sometimes I've switched off the attachments view to avoid the
problem but I began occasionally missing attachments. :-(

ML> So, from my point of view, the bottom IS ABSOLUTELY THE STUPIDEST
ML> PLACE TO PUT IT!

ML> Eh-hm, sorry for the shouting. I'm feeling better now. I don't mean
ML> the last sentence in the last paragraph; it's done in sarcasm. I
ML> just don't appreciate people absolutizing their point of view.

Fair enough. :-)

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Tony Boom]

This message: 27/07/2000 00:25 GMT.
Hello Steve,

On 26 July 2000 at 15:50:08 GMT -0700 (which was 23:50 where I live)
Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

SL>   What preview pane?  :P


  I think the area people are referring to is the blank area above the
  preview text. There is plenty of wasted space there as can bee seen
  from the example.
  


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Re: drag and drop text

[Tom Plunket]

>> Heh, well, if your mouse is a little pencil-head eraser-type thing in
>> between the G, B, and H keys, then presumably it's not too far away.

SL> Ungh.  While that is the best laptop pointing device there is it is even
SL> more imprecise than a mouse so it is harder to do things effectively.  Stop
SL> blowing my analogies with jokes.  :P

Heh, well, it's not bad once you get used to it, but then the old idea
about "good ergonomics" comes into play, that you shouldn't have to
learn how to use ANY interface, it should simply be a reflection of
what you want to do anyway.

Case in point: TB!s default (only) keymapping.  I still fail to see
the logic of ^] being next-unread.  :)


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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:50:08 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

>> This was my exact point in an earlier thread about displaying the
>> icons representing an S/MIME signature. My suggestion was to follow
>> Outlook and Eudora's example... re-designing the icon to something
>> much smaller, and to relocate it to the area between the preview pane
>> and the message list.

SL> What preview pane?  :P

I think he's referring to the header bar.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Nick Andriash]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 3:50:08 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL> What preview pane?  :P

Oh, I forgot... you don't use it. :o)

Nonetheless, for those of us that do use the 3 pane view, the S/MIME
signature icon, and the space it takes, is no less troublesome.


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Re: HTML Formatting

[Tom Plunket]

FG> I am new to TB! This may be a stupid question, but . . .

FG>   Is there a switch/setting for dealing with HTML formatted e-mail so
FG>   that you don't have to read the HTML tags?

I haven't read an HTML tag yet in TB, I don't think...

Anyhow, the switch/setting you may well be after is Options->HTML
AutoView.  Try that and get back to us.  ;)


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Re: drag and drop text

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:29:22 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

>> do it faster that way. Why? Because I'm deadly accurate and fast with
>> a mouse. Sorry that you aren't. :-)

SL> You're assumption is that I am not.

Only teasing Steve. :-)

SL> Even so, holding Shift, moving down 3 lines, pressing CNTL-X, moving
SL> down 10 more and over to the exact spot is often faster than
SL> reaching for the mouse and getting it into the window to begin
SL> marking and I consider that a trivial change.

You make it seem like such a hassle. Look at it this way. When
I'm editing text and I delete stuff as I move along and delete blocks as
well, I use the keyboard alone. If I wish to do a series of copy and
pasting, move text blocks to other areas, I reach for the mouse *once*
and do the series of text block manipulations in sequence (using mouse
and keyboard) faster than if I were to use the keyboard alone.

SL> I'm sorry that you're still a hunt-and-pecker but spending
SL> 12-14 hours a day average in front of the computer editing text
SL> (code, messages and other text) I'm deadly fast and accurate with
SL> the keyboard as well as the mouse.  Maybe if you stopped using the
SL> crutch you'd learn how to walk.

LOL! I know how to 'walk'.

I enjoyed that exchange but the long and short of my
interjection anyway is that it's all a matter of taste Steve. Don't
scoff too much at other peoples preferences and what input devices they
prefer to use in a particular situation. I prefer a standard shift car.
Others think I'm backward and like unnecessary tedium.  That's
them.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 3:46:55 PM, Nick wrote:
> This was my exact point in an earlier thread about displaying the icons
> representing an S/MIME signature. My suggestion was to follow Outlook
> and Eudora's example... re-designing the icon to something much smaller,
> and to relocate it to the area between the preview pane and the message
> list.

What preview pane?  :P

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Ming-Li]

Hi Steve,

> ...is there any way to have attachments show up at the bottom
> of the edit and folder view windows instead of the side?  The side
> is absolutely the stupidest place to put it because causes the
> width of the view window to change.

Again, if it's optional, I see no reason against it. If it's changed
for good, then I'm against it. I like the attachment pane on the
side, because I want to see more lines in the preview pane, while I
usually have plenty of room left on the side. So, from my point of
view, the bottom IS ABSOLUTELY THE STUPIDEST PLACE TO PUT IT!

Eh-hm, sorry for the shouting. I'm feeling better now. I don't mean
the last sentence in the last paragraph; it's done in sarcasm. I
just don't appreciate people absolutizing their point of view.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Nick Andriash]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:58:06 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL> This is a problem in that my edit and view windows are wide enough
SL> for 80 characters, an attachment comes in (like SLIME, er, SMIME) and all of a
SL> sudden it is down to 72ish and I need to scroll to read/edit.

This was my exact point in an earlier thread about displaying the icons
representing an S/MIME signature. My suggestion was to follow Outlook
and Eudora's example... re-designing the icon to something much smaller,
and to relocate it to the area between the preview pane and the message
list.

I do agree with Steve on the intrusive nature of the present icon and
it's placement.


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Re[3]: opera 4 and mailto

[Chuck Smith]

On  Wednesday, July 26, 2000  at  00:13:08 GMT +0200 
(which was 6:13 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

Hello Gerard,

> Hello Arnie,

> Thursday, July 27, 2000, 12:01:30 AM, you wrote:

>> Hello Jarle,

>> Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 5:50:54 PM, you wrote:

JHK>>> I'm having trouble configuring Opera v 4.01 (the latest version) to
JHK>>> use The Bat! as the default mailer.

JHK>>> I have tried to set 'Use external client' to 'C:\Program Files\The
JHK>>> Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:' as instructed on the 'How Do I' page. That
JHK>>> only opens a new message window with an empty To field.

JHK>>> Any suggestions?

JHK>>> Regards,
JHK>>> Jarle H. Knudsen


>> I'm having a similar problem, however in my case Opera (4.0) doesn't
>> even allow me to enter the string in the external email client
>> textbox.  As soon as I hit "apply" it dumps the quotes and the mailto:
>> addition.


> What you can do is manually edit the opera.ini file. In the mail
> section put Handler=3 (if The Bat! is your default email client)

Cool trick ... mine works now.

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Re[2]: opera 4 and mailto

[Gerard Kienhorst]

Hello Arnie,

Thursday, July 27, 2000, 12:01:30 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Jarle,

> Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 5:50:54 PM, you wrote:

JHK>> I'm having trouble configuring Opera v 4.01 (the latest version) to
JHK>> use The Bat! as the default mailer.

JHK>> I have tried to set 'Use external client' to 'C:\Program Files\The
JHK>> Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:' as instructed on the 'How Do I' page. That
JHK>> only opens a new message window with an empty To field.

JHK>> Any suggestions?

JHK>> Regards,
JHK>> Jarle H. Knudsen


> I'm having a similar problem, however in my case Opera (4.0) doesn't
> even allow me to enter the string in the external email client
> textbox.  As soon as I hit "apply" it dumps the quotes and the mailto:
> addition.


What you can do is manually edit the opera.ini file. In the mail
section put Handler=3 (if The Bat! is your default email client)


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Re[2]: opera 4 and mailto

[Curt]

On  Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:01:30 -0400, Arnie wrote:

Arnie> Hello Jarle,

Arnie> Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 5:50:54 PM, you wrote:

JHK>> I'm having trouble configuring Opera v 4.01 (the latest version) to
JHK>> use The Bat! as the default mailer.

JHK>> I have tried to set 'Use external client' to 'C:\Program Files\The
JHK>> Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:' as instructed on the 'How Do I' page. That
JHK>> only opens a new message window with an empty To field.

JHK>> Any suggestions?

JHK>> Regards,
JHK>> Jarle H. Knudsen


Arnie> I'm having a similar problem, however in my case Opera (4.0) doesn't
Arnie> even allow me to enter the string in the external email client
Arnie> textbox.  As soon as I hit "apply" it dumps the quotes and the mailto:
Arnie> addition.

Try entering ONLY the location of TheBat!'s executable with no mailto:
appended.



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Re: opera 4 and mailto

[Arnie]

Hello Jarle,

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 5:50:54 PM, you wrote:

JHK> I'm having trouble configuring Opera v 4.01 (the latest version) to
JHK> use The Bat! as the default mailer.

JHK> I have tried to set 'Use external client' to 'C:\Program Files\The
JHK> Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:' as instructed on the 'How Do I' page. That
JHK> only opens a new message window with an empty To field.

JHK> Any suggestions?

JHK> Regards,
JHK> Jarle H. Knudsen


I'm having a similar problem, however in my case Opera (4.0) doesn't
even allow me to enter the string in the external email client
textbox.  As soon as I hit "apply" it dumps the quotes and the mailto:
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Re[3]: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[phil]

Greetings Mark!

On  Wednesday, July 26, 2000  at  22:43:44 GMT +0100 (which was 2:43 PM where you 
think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

MRH> Curtis,

MRH> Regarding your message dated: Wednesday, July 26, 2000...

C>> I agree 200%. Finally!!, someone else brings up this practical
C>> concern.

MRH> If I make it 3-for-0 in favour does that me we get the feature?

MRH> Good suggestion, well seconded.

MRH> Cheers,

MRH> Mark

Sounds good here as well..


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Re[2]: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Mark R Harding]

Curtis,

Regarding your message dated: Wednesday, July 26, 2000...

C> I agree 200%. Finally!!, someone else brings up this practical
C> concern.

If I make it 3-for-0 in favour does that me we get the feature?

Good suggestion, well seconded.

Cheers,

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opera 4 and mailto

[Jarle Hammen Knudsen]

I'm having trouble configuring Opera v 4.01 (the latest version) to
use The Bat! as the default mailer.

I have tried to set 'Use external client' to 'C:\Program Files\The
Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:' as instructed on the 'How Do I' page. That
only opens a new message window with an empty To field.

Any suggestions?

Regards,
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Re: drag and drop text

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:52:22 PM, Curtis wrote:
> do it faster that way. Why? Because I'm deadly accurate and fast with a
> mouse. Sorry that you aren't. :-)

You're assumption is that I am not.  As I stated, I play FPS games and I
use the mouse.  I was in one of the top CS clans of its time and don't do too
bad on the CLQ when I play CS seriously.  I am accurate with weapons on that
game at range that most people don't believe is possible.  That requires
accuracy and speed with the mouse.  Even so, holding Shift, moving down 3
lines, pressing CNTL-X, moving down 10 more and over to the exact spot is
often faster than reaching for the mouse and getting it into the window to
begin marking and I consider that a trivial change.  I'm sorry that you're
still a hunt-and-pecker but spending 12-14 hours a day average in front of the
computer editing text (code, messages and other text) I'm deadly fast and
accurate with the keyboard as well as the mouse.  Maybe if you stopped using
the crutch you'd learn how to walk.

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Re: Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:58:06 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL> ...is there any way to have attachments show up at the bottom of
SL> the edit and folder view windows instead of the side?  The side is
SL> absolutely the stupidest place to put it because causes the width of
SL> the view window to change.  This is a problem in that my edit and
SL> view windows are wide enough for 80 characters, an attachment comes
SL> in (like SLIME, er, SMIME) and all of a sudden it is down to 72ish
SL> and I need to scroll to read/edit.



I agree 200%. Finally!!, someone else brings up this practical
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Re: drag and drop text

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:12:06 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL>  The mouse is less precise, more time consuming and less convenient
SL> for working within text

Someone who hasn't ever used a keyboard before will tell you
about the joys and superiority of pen and paper. Watching the same
person use a keyboard and type a few sentences for the first time makes
you quickly realize why  he/she feels this way. :-) What we do of course
is tell them that one has to practice how to use a keyboard and with
time their coordination improves as well as their speed. At present, I
type faster than I can write hence I hate having to write (can't get out
of that in my profession unfortunately because we can't afford
transcriptionists in Jamaica). Anyway, the same goes for the mouse. At
present, I have my mouse speed and acceleration up to maximum. Why?
Because I've become very good and coordinated with using it. It's a
learned thing as with the keyboard. I can move around the desktop with
the mouse very often having to wait on the computer to respond (400MHz
with 256MB RAM). Selecting text for me is a not, in the least, a clumsy
task and is my preferred method especially when rearranging and
selecting blocks of text. Yes, believe it or not. I prefer it because I
do it faster that way. Why? Because I'm deadly accurate and fast with a
mouse. Sorry that you aren't. :-)

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Re: drag and drop text

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:52:53 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL> That is why I didn't say that.  I said it this way, "...what the
SL> keyboard, for about a century now, has been designed to do!"  I
SL> didn't say that we've always been doing it and should always
SL> continue to do it, I'm stating that the keyboard has been designed
SL> for that task.

No-one has disputed this and no-one is taking that away from you
either. How does the fact that the keyboard has been designed for
editing text prevent another device being used to assist with text
editing? The fact that the keyboard has been solely used for 100 years
says nothing for against this. The fact that you find the mouse
inefficient for selecting text blocks and moving it to another area in a
document doesn't negate it's use either. I actually copy/cut and paste
text using both the mouse and keyboard together. Both combined, is
faster than one alone. I use the mouse alone to drag and drop text where
it's implemented.

SL>   The timeframe is to show that a lot thought has gone into the
SL> keyboard design (although lately a lot of marketing has gone into
SL> keyboard design to the utter detriment of functionality) and that
SL> for the task of editing text I'd think the device that was designed
SL> to enter and later edit text with 100 years of history behind it is
SL> going to beat out the device designed for an entirely different task
SL> which has only had ~25 years of thought put into it.

Don't blow it out of proportion now. No-one is even implying the
mouse taking over as the text input device of choice.

SL> As for your thought control, let me give you a little anecdote.
SL> I played Doom since before it went gold.  In fact, I played Wolf3D.
SL> I played both on the keyboard even though in the time of Doom the
SL> mouse was being used by the top players.  Even when I went to Duke3D
SL> with its limited up/down view I still used the keyboard.  In fact, I
SL> beat most of the mouse players that came around.

Same here in my gaming days. I always preferred the keyboard for
gaming. :-) I only played kill or be killed, murder and mayhem type
games.

SL>   Then comes Half-Life and guess what, the interface and environment
SL> reach a point where the keyboard was not good enough to control the
SL> game. Did I complain?  Did I moan endlessly in a most Gothly
SL> fashion?  No. I tried the mouse, found out that the keyset they had
SL> set up was quite logical and easy to use and switched to the mouse.

:-) In my rant, I was indicating how you came across. I was not
saying that's how you are as a person. I was criticising what you wrote
and my interpretation of it.

SL> When the time comes that some other interface is better at
SL> entering and editing text than a keyboard comes along, chances are
SL> I'll switch to it. Point is, the mouse is a pointing device, not a
SL> text input/editing device.

Remember that Fred and I are referring to selecting and moving
text that has already been entered. That's a minute part of text
editing. How does that translate to this concern about the mouse taking
over as *the* text input/editing device in preference to the keyboard.
IMO, it never will.

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HTML Formatting

[Forbes George]

Hello!

I am new to TB! This may be a stupid question, but . . .

  Is there a switch/setting for dealing with HTML formatted e-mail so
  that you don't have to read the HTML tags?

 Forbes Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: drag and drop text

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:48:29 PM, Fred wrote:
> Of course I can use the keyboard (with the Bat I'm forced to do that).
> But I noticed with other programs that I find it much easier and faster
> to drag and drop text blocks with my intellimouse (digital or
> analog???).

Analog.  Intellimouse is still a pointing device.  You're still apt to
mark lines you don't want and drop them in a place where you don't want.  With
the keyboard and using the cursor for precise marking and placement it is
faster than grabbing the mouse, marking, screwing up, marking too many lines,
going back and then missing some text off the end of a sentence, finally
getting it, then moving it to another location only to drop it 1-2 spaces off
and end up in the middle of a word or in the wrong line and have to do it
all... again!

> But If Ritlabs decide to implement this feature as an option, would
> that be a problem for you?

Yes.  Needless bloat.

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Re: drag and drop text

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:44:48 PM, Tom wrote:
> Heh, well, if your mouse is a little pencil-head eraser-type thing in
> between the G, B, and H keys, then presumably it's not too far away.
> :)

Ungh.  While that is the best laptop pointing device there is it is even
more imprecise than a mouse so it is harder to do things effectively.  Stop
blowing my analogies with jokes.  :P

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Before I open a suggestion on this...

[Steve Lamb]

...is there any way to have attachments show up at the bottom of the edit
and folder view windows instead of the side?  The side is absolutely the
stupidest place to put it because causes the width of the view window to
change.  This is a problem in that my edit and view windows are wide enough
for 80 characters, an attachment comes in (like SLIME, er, SMIME) and all of a
sudden it is down to 72ish and I need to scroll to read/edit.

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Re: drag and drop text

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:48:29 +0200, Fred van Veen wrote:

FvV> But If Ritlabs decide to implement this feature as an option, would
FvV> that be a problem for you?

Yes. It would add extra bloat to the code and introduce more
potential bugs. :-)

yeah, yeah. The old bloat 'phobia is on the loose. 

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Re: drag and drop text

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:42:36 PM, Curtis wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:12:06 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> traditional way is better then say so. Adding this silly 'but this is
> how it has been done for god knows how many years' just doesn't cut it.

That is why I didn't say that.  I said it this way, "...what the
keyboard, for about a century now, has been designed to do!"  I didn't say
that we've always been doing it and should always continue to do it, I'm
stating that the keyboard has been designed for that task.  The timeframe is
to show that a lot thought has gone into the keyboard design (although lately
a lot of marketing has gone into keyboard design to the utter detriment of
functionality) and that for the task of editing text I'd think the device that
was designed to enter and later edit text with 100 years of history behind it
is going to beat out the device designed for an entirely different task which
has only had ~25 years of thought put into it.

As for your thought control, let me give you a little anecdote.  I played
Doom since before it went gold.  In fact, I played Wolf3D.  I played both on
the keyboard even though in the time of Doom the mouse was being used by the
top players.  Even when I went to Duke3D with its limited up/down view I still
used the keyboard.  In fact, I beat most of the mouse players that came
around.  Then comes Half-Life and guess what, the interface and environment
reach a point where the keyboard was not good enough to control the game.  Did
I complain?  Did I moan endlessly in a most Gothly fashion?  No.  I tried the
mouse, found out that the keyset they had set up was quite logical and easy to
use and switched to the mouse.

When the time comes that some other interface is better at entering and
editing text than a keyboard comes along, chances are I'll switch to it. Point
is, the mouse is a pointing device, not a text input/editing device.

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Re: drag and drop text

[Tom Plunket]

SL> I never understood this fascination with drag and drop text inside the
SL> same application.  I mean, when you start typing your next message, stop mid
SL> sentence and look where your hands are.  Now, look where your mouse is.  Now
SL> as yourself this simple question:  Which is closer, the CNTL, SHIFT and
SL> movement keys or the mouse?

Heh, well, if your mouse is a little pencil-head eraser-type thing in
between the G, B, and H keys, then presumably it's not too far away.
:)


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Re[2]: drag and drop text

[Fred van Veen]

Hello All,
On 26-7-2000 22:12:06, Steve wrote:

S> Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:08:33 PM, Fred wrote:
FvV Is it possible to drag and drop text in the editor?

C>>> No it's not. . Missing Agent again? :-)

>> Too bad. Maybe in a next version. In agent is a option you can chose
>> or not! Yep missing agent again!

S> I never understood this fascination with drag and drop text inside the
S> same application.  I mean, when you start typing your next message, stop mid
S> sentence and look where your hands are.  Now, look where your mouse is.  Now
S> as yourself this simple question:  Which is closer, the CNTL, SHIFT and
S> movement keys or the mouse?

the keys...

S> Another little thought experiment for you.  Which of the two is analog and
S> which is digital?  I know both are digital at the very low level, but in the
S> abstract is what I am asking.
? Sorry, to difficult for me!

S> For me the answers are the keys and the keyboard.  Why do I want to move
S> my hand all the way over to the mouse to use an analog pointing device to
S> mark/move text when the matter of a few pixels this way or that results in
S> unintended marking and placement?  The mouse is less precise, more time
S> consuming and less convenient for working within text which is what the
S> keyboard, for about a century now, has been designed to do!

And if I have only one hand? (which isn't the case)

Of course I can use the keyboard (with the Bat I'm forced to do that).
But I noticed with other programs that I find it much easier and faster
to drag and drop text blocks with my intellimouse (digital or
analog???).

But If Ritlabs decide to implement this feature as an option, would
that be a problem for you?

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Re: drag and drop text

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:12:06 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL> For me the answers are the keys and the keyboard.  Why do I want
SL> to move my hand all the way over to the mouse to use an analog
SL> pointing device to mark/move text when the matter of a few pixels
SL> this way or that results in unintended marking and placement?  The
SL> mouse is less precise, more time consuming and less convenient for
SL> working within text which is what the keyboard, for about a century
SL> now, has been designed to do!

 So if they managed to allow you to manipulate text
*accurately* by thought you'd still stick to the keyboard because that's
how it's being done for a century?! I hate this justification by long
standing tradition, especially with usability issues like these. If the
traditional way is better then say so. Adding this silly 'but this is
how it has been done for god knows how many years' just doesn't cut it.
It just shows you up as a old fogey who doesn't like to change for the
better or unwilling to adopt new ideas or ways of achieving goals and
completing tasks.

Pardon the rant and sensitivity on the point but in my
profession, medicine, it's a most unprogressive attitude to have and
believe me it's very much rampant and younger people in the field like
myself find it a hindrance to timely progress. :-)

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Re: Filtering String tip, Autoreply question

[Arnie]

A> Hello TBUDL,

A>   Also I've noticed that some of the envelopes indicating a read
A>   message are shaded slightly pink, while most are shaded yellow.
A>   Anything I should know about?

Um...sorry.  Just figured it out.  It's a priority indicator.


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Main window configuration.

[Nick Danger]

Okay, this is going to seem (seem, hell, I'll admit it is) like an
oddball request so feel free to humor or ignore it.

I'm interested to see the different ways people are running TB!
Colors, fonts, split mode views, etc.  If you don't mind and get a
chance, please send me a screen shot of your main TB! window open (off
list of course).

Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(high bandwidth address)

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Filtering String tip, Autoreply question

[Arnie]

Hello TBUDL,

  Slowly moving through my list of questions.  But first, something
  I've noticed that I would like to pass on as a tip.  I recently
  posted a question along the lines of;

"Is there anyway to set up TB so that by manually moving message from
the inbox to another folder an action associated with the destination
folder is immediately triggered?  i.e.  I move a message to folder X
and that message is immediately replied to using the X folder template
and sent."

  While TB doesn't directly allow for this, Ming-Li was kind
  enough to provide me with a work around involving a manual filter
  with no filter string associated to a hot key.  This works fine but
  there is something that did initially trip me up.  While on the rule
  tab in Sorting Office I assumed that because Filtering Strings was
  already blank (default) that I could ignore it.  Much to my dismay
  none of my manual filters worked.  As it turns out, you have to at
  least click in the empty Filtering Strings box to fill it with a blank
  filtering string.  I'll assume it contains a null otherwise. After
  that everything worked fine.  It did take me about two hours to
  stumble across it however.

  My question about autoreply is simple:  I have a filter that moves
  messages to a specific folder, slaps a template onto it and sends it
  right back out.  But it doesn't mark the replied to message with a
  green arrow.  If I manually "reply to" this is automatically
  attached.  Is there anyway that I can get the autoreply feature to
  add this symbol?

  Also I've noticed that some of the envelopes indicating a read
  message are shaded slightly pink, while most are shaded yellow.
  Anything I should know about?

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Re: drag and drop text

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 1:08:33 PM, Fred wrote:
FvV>>> Is it possible to drag and drop text in the editor?

C>> No it's not. . Missing Agent again? :-)

> Too bad. Maybe in a next version. In agent is a option you can chose
> or not! Yep missing agent again!

I never understood this fascination with drag and drop text inside the
same application.  I mean, when you start typing your next message, stop mid
sentence and look where your hands are.  Now, look where your mouse is.  Now
as yourself this simple question:  Which is closer, the CNTL, SHIFT and
movement keys or the mouse?

Another little thought experiment for you.  Which of the two is analog and
which is digital?  I know both are digital at the very low level, but in the
abstract is what I am asking.

For me the answers are the keys and the keyboard.  Why do I want to move
my hand all the way over to the mouse to use an analog pointing device to
mark/move text when the matter of a few pixels this way or that results in
unintended marking and placement?  The mouse is less precise, more time
consuming and less convenient for working within text which is what the
keyboard, for about a century now, has been designed to do!

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Re[2]: drag and drop text

[Fred van Veen]

Hello All,
On 26-7-2000 21:51:23, Curtis wrote:

C> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:24:50 +0200, Fred van Veen wrote:

FvV>> Is it possible to drag and drop text in the editor?

C> No it's not. . Missing Agent again? :-)

Too bad. Maybe in a next version. In agent is a option you can chose
or not! Yep missing agent again!

But the Bat is indeed a better email client!
That's why I registered the Bat!

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Re: drag and drop text

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:24:50 +0200, Fred van Veen wrote:

FvV> Is it possible to drag and drop text in the editor?

No it's not. . Missing Agent again? :-)

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drag and drop text

[Fred van Veen]

Hello 

Is it possible to drag and drop text in the editor?


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Re: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Ming-Li]

Hi Fred,

> Yes, it's in: Default Properties for All Groups dialog box (Group
> menu)

Got it. Thanks. But it can't be set on a folder by folder basis, a
rather inflexible design on a otherwise extremely flexible program,
rendering it much less useful.

> And now you know Agent!

Yup. Shame on me--some who brags how long he's been using Agent. :)
As an excuse, though, I never use it for email.

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Re: Bounced mail.

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:55:38 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:

TB>   I just for the second time received the strangest bounced email.
TB>   Both times it is as far as I can make out a problem with Roels
TB>   account.

I've received them for every message that I've sent to this list
over the last couple of hours.

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Re: Bounced mail.

[Gary]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 05:55:38PM +0100 or thereabouts, Tony Boom wrote:

>   I just for the second time received the strangest bounced email.
>   Both times it is as far as I can make out a problem with Roels
>   account.

>   I'm sure it's not a Bat problem or even a problem with the list
>   server. The initial message I sent has appeared on the list ok but
>   it seems Roels bouncing it all back.
> 
>   Has anyone else experienced this?


Yes, Tony, I have received this too, although I am not in Windows now.
I cannot remember what, but I think it was bounced from his qmail mail
server from his ISP, or maybe his mail server. I believe it is in his
qmail script.  It had some referece to a jpg also, and a URL.  Very
strange indeed.
 
Regards,
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Re: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:27:09 +0200, Fred van Veen wrote:

ML>>> You mean Agent can keep replies with the original messages in a
ML>>> folder automatically? That's news for me! I think Agent doesn't
ML>>> even have filters for outgoing mail. I checked just now and can't
ML>>> find where to set this up. Could you tell me?

C>> I don't know what he's referring to either. There's flexibility
C>> with respect to where to place one's news posts but that flexibility is
C>> not there with respect to sent e-mail messages and where copies are
C>> placed. I just checked myself. Agent is really a news-reader with e-mail
C>> support. The real features are for news-reading.

FvV> Not true!

That Agent is not a great news reader with e-mail support and
that the features are more directed to news-reading than e-mail
management. I'll stand by that statement even though you got me on this
feature. If you care for me to elaborate I could do that for you
off-list.

FvV> Default Properties for All Groups dialog box (Group menu)

FvV> The help text:

FvV> "File replies in same folder as original message

FvV> When replying or following up to a message in a folder, checking this
FvV> box tells Agent to save your new message in that folder instead of the
FvV> folder specified above."

Yes, I see the option now. Very inflexible but there. :-)

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Re: Bounced mail.

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 9:55:38 AM, Tony wrote:
>   Has anyone else experienced this?

Yup, tried to email the postmaster to tell him to get a real MTA and this
is what I got:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
host s2.bn3.com [207.0.114.194]:
553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)


   Gotta love people that don't read the RFCs.

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Re: Mouse Select

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:33:30 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

SL> BTW, just to forewarn you of a gotcha in TB! it doesn't appear
SL> to use the standard list dialog and certainly doesn't conform to the
SL> CUA..  Geez, I hope it is the CUA.  Anyway, in other applications
SL> with a list interface you can use CNTL-SHIFT to mark a block in
SL> addition to a previously marked block. Simple example is a list, of
SL> 1-10 and you want to mark 1-3, 6-9.  You'd highlight 1, Shift click
SL> 3, cntl click 6, cntl-shift click 9.  In TB! cntl-shift is treated
SL> as shift so you lose all previously marked blocks.

I have also noted this and I am full agreement with the
discrepancy which has no real justification for it's existence. I hope
that this will be fixed soon because it does create unnecessary tedium
at times.

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Re[2]: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Fred van Veen]

Hello All,
On 26-7-2000 19:01:46, Curtis wrote:

C> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:11:15 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

>>> Yes I know there are other email clients that can do that. I used to
>>> work with one: Agent.

ML>> You mean Agent can keep replies with the original messages in a
ML>> folder automatically? That's news for me! I think Agent doesn't even
ML>> have filters for outgoing mail. I checked just now and can't find
ML>> where to set this up. Could you tell me?

C> I don't know what he's referring to either. There's flexibility
C> with respect to where to place one's news posts but that flexibility is
C> not there with respect to sent e-mail messages and where copies are
C> placed. I just checked myself. Agent is really a news-reader with e-mail
C> support. The real features are for news-reading.

Not true!

Default Properties for All Groups dialog box (Group menu)

The help text:

"File replies in same folder as original message

When replying or following up to a message in a folder, checking this
box tells Agent to save your new message in that folder instead of the
folder specified above."


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Re: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:15:21 +0200, Fred van Veen wrote:

M>> You mean Agent can keep replies with the original messages in a
M>> folder automatically? That's news for me! I think Agent doesn't even
M>> have filters for outgoing mail. I checked just now and can't find
M>> where to set this up. Could you tell me?

FvV> Yes, it's in:
FvV> Default Properties for All Groups dialog box (Group menu)

FvV> The help text:

FvV> "File replies in same folder as original message

FvV> When replying or following up to a message in a folder, checking this
FvV> box tells Agent to save your new message in that folder instead of the
FvV> folder specified above."

Er, yes, you're right. :-) The option is very much there.

FvV> And now you know Agent!

Closer to 100% yes. 

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Re[2]: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Fred van Veen]

Hello All,
On 26-7-2000 18:11:15, Ming-Li wrote:

M> Hi Fred,

>> Yes I know there are other email clients that can do that. I used
>> to work with one: Agent.

M> You mean Agent can keep replies with the original messages in a
M> folder automatically? That's news for me! I think Agent doesn't even
M> have filters for outgoing mail. I checked just now and can't find
M> where to set this up. Could you tell me?

Yes, it's in:
Default Properties for All Groups dialog box (Group menu)

The help text:

"File replies in same folder as original message

When replying or following up to a message in a folder, checking this
box tells Agent to save your new message in that folder instead of the
folder specified above."

>> But if The Bat! can find a reply why not automatically move it to
>> the original folder? It could be an option in a future release!

M> Not exactly. Currently TB search a reply in the Sent (and Outbox?)
M> folder according to message id. If it's not found there, it prompts
M> you search the entire message base, which might take much more time.

M> It's not to say what you want isn't possible. As Mark pointed out,
M> however, it won't be easy to implement. It's in essence a filter,
M> but how it should be ranked among other filters is problematic.

M> The only email program I remember doing this is Becky and Eudora.

And now you know Agent!


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Bounced mail.

[Tony Boom]

Hello TBUDL,

  I just for the second time received the strangest bounced email.
  Both times it is as far as I can make out a problem with Roels
  account.

  I'm sure it's not a Bat problem or even a problem with the list
  server. The initial message I sent has appeared on the list ok but
  it seems Roels bouncing it all back.

  Has anyone else experienced this?


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Re: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Curtis]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:11:15 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

>> Yes I know there are other email clients that can do that. I used to
>> work with one: Agent.

ML> You mean Agent can keep replies with the original messages in a
ML> folder automatically? That's news for me! I think Agent doesn't even
ML> have filters for outgoing mail. I checked just now and can't find
ML> where to set this up. Could you tell me?

I don't know what he's referring to either. There's flexibility
with respect to where to place one's news posts but that flexibility is
not there with respect to sent e-mail messages and where copies are
placed. I just checked myself. Agent is really a news-reader with e-mail
support. The real features are for news-reading.

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Default domain

[Przemysław Adam Śmiejek]

Witam,

  I'm new here. My English isn't good, but I want to ask something:
  Is it possible to set something like default domain in posts?
  Eg.

  To: tristan 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I write many letters to people with the same domain. In MUTT (linux)
  that's simple -- I write only name. Rest is added automatically.
  

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Re: only one pop3 check possible

[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck,

DP>> under win2k prof (german) it is only possible to check for
DP>> mails once. every following check creates a log "FETCH - Could
DP>> not connect to the server".

> There  is  a  known  issue with the configuration of ZoneAlarm for
> use with TB that sounds similar. I don't use ZA but many here do.

Below is a solution given by A.C. Martin in an earlier post:

> I was about to ask you this and you volunteered it. ZoneAlarm is
> the culprit here. I wrote to the ZoneAlarm developers and this was their
> response:
> 
> We are looking into resolving the problem with blocking access
> to mail servers, others have reported it too.
> 
> A solution for now is to add the mail server to your trusted
> Local Zone.
> 
> - Enter the security panel
> - Click on the advanced button.
> - Select add
> - Select host/Site
> - Enter the mail server name
> - Click next, confirm the entry
> - Click OK
> - Click OK
> 
> Then you should no longer have a problem accessing the email
> server.
> 
> I hope this helps.

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Re: keep replied message in same folder as the original message.

[Ming-Li]

Hi Fred,

> Yes I know there are other email clients that can do that. I used
> to work with one: Agent.

You mean Agent can keep replies with the original messages in a
folder automatically? That's news for me! I think Agent doesn't even
have filters for outgoing mail. I checked just now and can't find
where to set this up. Could you tell me?

> But if The Bat! can find a reply why not automatically move it to
> the original folder? It could be an option in a future release!

Not exactly. Currently TB search a reply in the Sent (and Outbox?)
folder according to message id. If it's not found there, it prompts
you search the entire message base, which might take much more time.

It's not to say what you want isn't possible. As Mark pointed out,
however, it won't be easy to implement. It's in essence a filter,
but how it should be ranked among other filters is problematic.

The only email program I remember doing this is Becky and Eudora.
Becky's filtering function is folder-centric (well, plus "color
centric", which is added as an aftermath, I'm afraid), meaning you
establish a folder, and tell Becky what kind of mail should be put
into that folder. IOW, it makes each filter a "property" of a
folder. With this approach, it's easier to implement the feature you
ask for (keeping replies in the same folder with the original
messages), for it's basically just an additional condition
(property) for the filter (folder). This approach makes filters easy
to setup, but also makes Becky's filtering capability limited. I've
heard plenty of complaints on Becky's mailing list when I was trying
it out, and its author admitted major overhaul to the filter
structure is needed, though not in v2 (which is in beta).

Eudora has an option to *copy* a reply to the original folder. Since
it's a copy (not move), it's easier to avoid the filter execution
order problem. IOW, the extra copy won't be filtered in any way, but
go directly to the original folder. If RIT decides to implement what
you want in TB, this is probably the only way I can imagine. But
then, you have two copies of every reply, and I'm not sure many
users would want this (given that it's already easy to find one's
replies in TB).

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Re: Mouse Select

[Ming-Li]

Hi Ben,

>>>  What I would like to do is to click and hold the left mouse
>>> button while I drag the cursor down the list of messages, and
>>> then release it , and had have all of the messages the cursor
>>> passed over highlighted. Then move the cursor to the wastebasket
>>> to delete them.

> I can do what I was talking about in Eudora, or many other Windows
> based programs... Just surprised i couldn't do so in TB. :-)))

Yes, Eudora has an option for this. But then you loose the
convenience to drag and drop a message in one pass. I.e., in TB (and
most other Windows programs), you click on a message, and move it
while holding the mouse down. In Eudora with the option on (or
others with the feature you describe), the same behavior would
simply mark more messages, even when you're moving toward the folder
tree, not down the message list. You have to release the mouse click
first, then re-click (and hold) again to drag the selected messages,
even when there's only one message to move.

Unless it's implemented the way OS/2 does as Steve described, such
trade off is inevitable. Well, nothing is perfect. I agree it would
be nice if TB could provide such an option, though.

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Re: Mouse Select

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 9:12:23 AM, Ben wrote:
> Thanks for your patience...

If it is any consolation I rather liked the way OS/2 had their interface
set up with the mouse.  It made better use of the two mouse buttons standard
on the PC.

BTW, just to forewarn you of a gotcha in TB! it doesn't appear to use the
standard list dialog and certainly doesn't conform to the CUA..  Geez, I hope
it is the CUA.  Anyway, in other applications with a list interface you can
use CNTL-SHIFT to mark a block in addition to a previously marked block.
Simple example is a list, of 1-10 and you want to mark 1-3, 6-9.  You'd
highlight 1, Shift click 3, cntl click 6, cntl-shift click 9.  In TB!
cntl-shift is treated as shift so you lose all previously marked blocks.  That
is something I had to really relearn when I came from PMMail since I was so
used to marking messages for deletion first and then going back to read what
was left.  I still do that, just not as efficiently.

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Re: Accidental Folder Deletes

[Ming-Li]

Hi Orson,

> I wish it was really difficult to delete a folder. I think it
> should require an extra confirmation (Pegagus Mail does this.)

I have no idea how Pegasus works. But in TB, when you try to delete
a folder, it does prompt you to confirm (and the default button is
"No"), and ask you how to deal with the messages inside (again, the
default is the less destructive "Move to Trash"). To make things
really unretractable, you have to manually select the "Wipe" option,
and then click on the "Yes" button. I'm not sure how much safer it
can be made.

Yes, RIT can make an extra dialog box for extra safety, but I'm sure
many people here would complain about the "redundant" and "annoying"
feature.

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Re[2]: Mouse Select

[Ben Pugsley]

Hello Steve,

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 8:58:49 AM, you wrote:


SL> I'd be surprised if you could use it in but a few (like 1-2) Windows
SL> programs since it is not part of the CUA and the only place I've ever seen
SL> that behavior is in OS/2

Your are right...  My most used programs have been Agent (newsreader) and
Eudora,  Both had this feature.  I checked other programs that I had (and used
little) and found, as you say, they do not allow that operation.  Darn...  I
do like it the feature, but as has been pointed out, there are many ways to do
it with the keyboard, which I had been using.

Thanks for your patience...



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Re: Mouse Select

[Steve Lamb]

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 7:49:13 AM, Ben wrote:
> I can do what I was talking about in Eudora, or many other
> Windows based programs... Just surprised i couldn't do so in TB. :-)))

I'd be surprised if you could use it in but a few (like 1-2) Windows
programs since it is not part of the CUA and the only place I've ever seen
that behavior is in OS/2.  Generally when you have something in a list context
and you click and hold the left mouse button Windows standard behavior is to
take the highlighted item(s) and move them.  In OS/2 this was performed with
the RMB, not the LMB, therefore the LMB could be held for a mouse swipe.
Since this is standard behavior for Windows list controls and over 99% of
windows programs use those standard controls they inherit that behavior.

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Re[2]: Mouse Select

[Ben Pugsley]

Hello Steve,

Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 8:31:00 AM, you wrote:

>>  What I would like to do is to
>> click and hold the left mouse button while I drag the cursor down the list
>> of messages, and then release it , and had have all of the messages the
>> cursor passed over highlighted. Then move the cursor to the wastebasket to
>> delete them.

SL> You were clear.  No, cannot be done.  As I said, this isn't OS/2.

I never claimed this to be OS/2, and certainly wouldn't be using it if it was
OS/2 :-))

I can do what I was talking about in Eudora, or many other
Windows based programs... Just surprised i couldn't do so in TB. :-)))


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Re: Glyphs

[Tony Boom]

This message: 26/07/2000 15:44 GMT.
Hello Leif,

On 26 July 2000 at 23:20:57 GMT +0900 (which was 15:20 where I live)
Leif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

LG> No, he's referring to the glyphs for the TB buttons and such.


  Leif is correct but thank you Daniel anyway.

  Many thanks to Syafril, I now have them thank you.


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Re: Mouse Select

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, July 25, 2000, 6:46:26 PM, Ben wrote:
> I suppose I didn't make myself too clear. What I would like to do is to
> click and hold the left mouse button while I drag the cursor down the list
> of messages, and then release it , and had have all of the messages the
> cursor passed over highlighted. Then move the cursor to the wastebasket to
> delete them.

You were clear.  No, cannot be done.  As I said, this isn't OS/2.


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Re: only one pop3 check possible

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi David,

On 26 July 2000 at 15:40:41 GMT +0200 (which was 14:40 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "only one pop3 check possible":

DP> I just downloaded v 1.45. I want to switch from outlook2k to The Bat!. but I
DP> encoutered a strange problem:

DP> under win2k prof (german) it is only possible to check for mails once. every
DP> following check creates a log "FETCH - Could not connect to the server".



DP> is this a know problem with win2k ?

There  is  a  known  issue with the configuration of ZoneAlarm for use
with TB that sounds similar. I don't use ZA but many here do.

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Re: Glyphs

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Daniel, 

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 07:02:03 [GMT -0500], you wrote:
DH> I believe you're talking about the following site:
DH> http://www.glyphweb.com/graphics.html
DH> HTH.  Hutch

No, he's referring to the glyphs for the TB buttons and such.



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