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sign --
Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sabtu, 3:37 PM Is the sign "--" mean that I reply to that mail, all bottom on it deleted ? But I make sign -- by myself, and I reply to myself.. word after "--" still not deleted.. What I mean is "--" not "~~" ~~ "Squeal Boy, squeal" solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Sabtu, siang siang, [..in milis thebat!..] ..rest snipped challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge ..Thomas said. What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't use HTML mail..! For People who want little size mail, try using..., I'm forget what this named on english, What I mean is all people mail received on single mail, so you just get 1 header. usually weekly, or daily.. I don't know to set in this list.. Oh yeah, I'm know it now, "digest" -- "Squeal Boy, squeal" si setuden, yang nulis siang siang solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello solid, (ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge ss ..Thomas said. ss What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't ss use HTML mail..! Heheh, no no. He was just using pseudo-HTML to enclose a `thought.' What Thomas did is harmless, and most certainly not HTML. :) -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sign --
Hello all, Saturday, January 20, 2001, solid snake wrote: Is the sign "--" mean that I reply to that mail, all bottom on it deleted ? But I make sign -- by myself, and I reply to myself.. word after "--" still not deleted.. What I mean is "--" not "~~" You must enter space at end of delimiter: "-- ". -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.49c under the worst Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 96 MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB for Linux
Hello solid, (ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ss Is there any project, the bat for linux ? people in linux is ss always search and searching..Email Clients, that have "little" ss goodness, Follow some of the old threads about this in the archives. It's be discussed once or twice since I've been a member (since 1.47 Halloween): http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=tbbeta_thebat_dutaint_comrestrict=exclude=words=Borland+Kylix http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=tbudl_thebat_dutaint_comrestrict=exclude=words=porting+port+linux There's probably more; just look around. -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sign --
Hi solid, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:39:17 +0700GMT (20/01/2001, 16:39 +0800GMT), solid snake wrote: Is the sign "--" mean that I reply to that mail, all bottom on it deleted ? Yes, but it is not "--", it is "-- " (dash-dash-space-return). It is called the "signature delimiter". -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Thomas, T As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) T don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of T those questions that come up too often otherwise. But why should someone look at the headers? That's pretty stupid except for spam mail... For frequently asked questions, refer the newbies to the appropriate link on the net, and that's it, like you and Mr. Januk referred me for macros and I agree with that. For me, that's fair and correct and I thank you both for this... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Nick, NA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- NA Hash: SHA1 What is this, more unnecessary data? :)) Just kidding, just kidding... NA So some of the headers are redundant, so what? If you don't want to view NA them, uncheck the item under View. This option is unchecked, of course. NA If, as you state, you have this misunderstanding, why then do you refer to NA it as "useless" data when you apparently have not cleared up that NA misunderstanding? Perhaps you should pay attention to some of that "useless For newbies it is not useless, sure, but it BECOMES very useless and ANNOYING when you have to read it in every post. NA You know, for a new person, you don't seem to be too happy here on TBUDL NA with either the way the messages are presented, nor the people who write NA them. Funny attitude for someone new to the List. Sorry, you got me very wrong my friend. I am a new person here, but I don't think my attitude is "funny". I just pointed out some disagreements and that's all. Please do not take me that serious... This is forum like every other one and we need to 'talk', right? :) I apologize again to everyone who got me wrong... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hi solid, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:14:28 +0700GMT (20/01/2001, 16:14 +0800GMT), solid snake wrote: challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge ..Thomas said. What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't use HTML mail..! According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. I challenge Nick to convince me. If he succeeds, I'll sign my messages on this list, and I'll buy him a beer. It is not HTML, but it is made to look like HTML. It is actually plain text, and I say the challange starts at this point, and ends at the other. You can put anything you want into the HTML-like delimiters, for example: funny voice ...some text... /funny voice which makes sense only to humans but not to computers. Understand? -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Thomas, T IOW: TB's editor knows only hard return (CR/LF), and no soft returns T as in Notepad. Ough, that's not so good for me :( T Advantage: the mail will be sent exactly the way you see it. Hmm, you mean, the recipients will get 'cutted' message? Is there any way or possibility to write them like one long line in Notepad with word-wrap option turned on, "ready for DTP processing"? T What is DTP processing? I didn't mean specifically for DTP, that was just an expression to point out my problem... For DTP (Desktop Publishing) processing, source text must be without CR/LF codes, otherwise, DTP workers have to use adequate macros to remove it... The usual condition is writing texts in MS Word or other word-processing software, and later, DTP worker can easy make whatever he wants in Quark, PageMaker (columns, subtexts, whatever...). That's why I don't like this in EVERY e-mail software... What about quoted-printable encoding? Will this, if I use, remedy my 8-bit letters? T Dunno. Why don't you try it out? I did it with HTML message in OE and it worked. -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Lija, (L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: L For newbies it is not useless, sure, but it BECOMES very useless L and ANNOYING when you have to read it in every post. By any chance do you have RFC-822 Headers checked in the view menu? is this what you mean? If so, you can uncheck it (or Ctrl+Shift+K) to turn it off. If not, I don't see anything annoying about From, Reply-to, To, and Subject (I have Created enabled too, because I prefer not to view it in its own column, but I need to see it sometimes). If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand what you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd have to scroll 3 feet. -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Share about Quick Template
Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sabtu, 4:10 PM People, I want to share Quick Template..from You all, I also have a lot of Quick Template, cool and satisfied.. I don't know which better, send by email or attach it to sender. I prefer attach it, So Attach here..to mail, bottom I will send also my QT if you want..! ~~ "Squeal Boy, squeal" solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hi Lija, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:39:25 +0100GMT (20/01/2001, 16:39 +0800GMT), Lija wrote: T Advantage: the mail will be sent exactly the way you see it. Hmm, you mean, the recipients will get 'cutted' message? No, I mean the recipients will see it exactly the way you see it. If you see a line break after the word "if" in the above line, I will have ssen the line break while writing this. And Indeed: I see it! :-) I didn't mean specifically for DTP, that was just an expression to point out my problem... For DTP (Desktop Publishing) processing, source text must be without CR/LF codes, otherwise, DTP workers have to use adequate macros to remove it... The usual condition is writing texts in MS Word or other word-processing software, In that case I guess you will have to create .doc files and attach them to the email. An alternative is to see whether you can make TB accept line length 9 characters or so. Options / Editor Preferences / General / Wrap text at xxx characters. -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Share about Quick Template
Hello solid, (ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ss I don't know which better, send by email or attach it to sender. I ss prefer attach it, So Attach here..to mail, bottom I will send also ss my QT if you want..! Just a wild guess here, but either: a) You forgot to attach a file. Or.. b) The list software automatically removes any attachments that are sent to the list. A much better approach would be to describe what your template does and.. a) Ask members to email you for a copy. Or.. b) Upload it to an FTP site or WWW directory and provide us with the link. c) Just cut and paste it into the message itself and send away.. :-) -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: sign --
Hello Thomas, T Yes, but it is not "--", it is "-- " (dash-dash-space-return). T It is called the "signature delimiter". ... or call it simply 'cut'. :) -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Mail dispatcher on the backstage :))
Haugh! my pals at TB groupie :) The Mail Dispatcher is great, but I do not want it to be shutdowned when I close connection with the server. Any ideas, possibilities? Thank you. :) -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB hot-keys keyboard problem
Hello TBUDL, For all of us whose native language is not English, we have to use keyboard switching. There is one small problem in this: I set Ctrl+Shift for this. When I type in my language and need to type some ASCII character like [, ], ;, /, in ALL other programs I can normally access to these by additionally pressing Alt key, but Bat! makes problem when I want to type Alt+Shift+/ to get question mark - '?'. I simply can not do it, regarding the keyb. switch is in use or NOT! When Ctrl+Shift is active - it is worse - I get the 'lite' menus (Alt+Ctrl+Shift+/ or Alt+Shift+/ in this case). I tried to somehow fix this via 'Define System Hot-Keys', but there are no possibilities... Is there any way to kill this remedy of Tanurkov's coding? :) -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: sign --
Sabtu, siang siang, [..in milis thebat!..] rest snipped You must enter space at end of delimiter: "-- ". ..Marek Mikus said. with space, oh..How I can't know it..! Thank's200x, -- si lakon, yang nulis sore sore solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Time zones with greetings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 20 January 2001 at 14:17:28 +0800 (which was 06:17 where I live) Thomas wrote and made these points: T Since it is not on the FAQ page It is now - thanks for highlighting that little omission :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmlntznkJKuSnc2gEQIdKQCg9kWMBhf0UkTj+NK4Uh0zDsDSWwYAn3fl 4BHbqmp/hAW4DNmbo/cSPSi4 =rKa2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Sabtu, sore sore, [..in milis thebat!..] rest snipped According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. .. Thomas said solid# You mean in "Bahasa Indonesia" ? Bahasa means "Languange" I challenge Nick to convince me. If he succeeds, I'll sign my messages on this list, and I'll buy him a beer. heee..he, I hate bear, in my religion it's can't be drunk It is not HTML, but it is made to look like HTML. It is actually plain text, and I say the challange starts at this point, and ends at the other. You can put anything you want into the HTML-like delimiters, for example: funny voice ...some text... /funny voice .. Thomas said solid# I seee.. I know it now, I can make this example: fight are you chicken ? /fight with this I can make it from QUickTemplate, fight ctrlspace which makes sense only to humans but not to computers. Understand? ..Thomas said. Yes, I undestand it very Much..! So Much I don't understand from you all in this world, somebody please tell me what this sign -:) :P FYI, CMIIW IMO IMHO etc... -- si sepay, yang nulis sore sore solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Thomas, I didn't mean specifically for DTP, that was just an expression to point out my problem... For DTP (Desktop Publishing) processing, source text must be without CR/LF codes, otherwise, DTP workers have to use adequate macros to remove it... The usual condition is writing texts in MS Word or other word-processing software, T In that case I guess you will have to create .doc files and attach T them to the email. No, I won't send attached mail and write it in MS Word ;) T An alternative is to see whether you can make TB accept line length 9 T characters or so. T Options / Editor Preferences / General / Wrap text at xxx characters. Already tried... no solution, just one bbbiig iii :)) ... and I hate to use horizontal scroll bar :)) Thank you, anyway... I appreciate all efforts. Greetings, -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Brian, BC By any chance do you have RFC-822 Headers checked in the view menu? is BC this what you mean? If so, you can uncheck it (or Ctrl+Shift+K) to BC turn it off. Oh Jesus... here we go again: Brian... please read again my previous reply... that option is NOT checked. BC If not, I don't see anything annoying about From, Reply-to, To, BC and Subject (I have Created enabled too, because I prefer not to view BC it in its own column, but I need to see it sometimes). Does this look like From/Reply-To/Subject etc. fields: -- X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : user -- A bit of mess, right? :) BC If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're BC seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand what BC you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd have to BC scroll 3 feet. Indeed my friend, indeed... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Delete Line with in quotes
Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sabtu, 5:36 PM I'm sorry Ask this again, TheBat can't use multiple Choose, to text to be replied with F4 So I need to modify the Quotes. Example there is First Quotes and Second Quotes, it should be Secondary Quotes First Quotes I need all Secondary Quotes Line deleted automatically, The Data should be, "if there char twice, delete one line of that contains twice" Can it ? Thank's ALOT -- "Squeal Boy, squeal" solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Share about Quick Template
Sabtu, sore sore, [..in milis thebat!..] rest snipped Just a wild guess here, but either: a) You forgot to attach a file. Or.. .. Brian Clark said solid# not, I'm not attaching it b) The list software automatically removes any attachments that are sent to the list. .. Brian Clark said solid# mostly list software don't let us b) Upload it to an FTP site or WWW directory and provide us with the link. .. Brian Clark said solid# I'm in project of making my own website, and I don't have ftp c) Just cut and paste it into the message itself and send away.. ..Brian Clark said. It's big size email, I'd prefer attaching the file.., Account.QTL -- si lakon, yang nulis waktu Maghrib solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Lija, (L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: L Oh Jesus... here we go again: SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list. g snip L Does this look like From/Reply-To/Subject etc. fields: No, it doesn't. L -- L X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia L List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com snip L A bit of mess, right? :) Yes. And the funny thing is, I don't see ANY of that unless I press Ctrl+Shift+K The footer has already been explained. BC If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're BC seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand BC what you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd BC have to scroll 3 feet. L Indeed my friend, indeed... Then press Ctrl+Shift+K, or uncheck: View \ RFC-822 Headers I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. *Brian goes to sleepy land* G'night, -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello solid snake ! On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:01:09 +0700 GMT your local time, which was 20.01.2001, 11:01 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote: FYI, For Your Information CMIIW Correct Me If I'm Wrong IMO In My Opinion IMHO In My Humble Opinion AFAIK As Far As I Know AFAICS As Far As I Can See - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.49 PGP-Keys on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key - Erwerbsregel #191 Ein Ferengi wartet mit dem Bieten, bis seine Gegner sich selbst erschpft haben. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOmljdky/sHrVbGGHEQJIDQCeKqwf03ukR18UrmIZh65/s5ZvqL4AoJiM 37k5shYkWmq9TNxRGNiUIBps =Gawa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
small stupidity
Hello TBUDL, When I press H for searching, I immediately got the 'h' letter in the box. Pretty fast, ha? :)) How to get rid of it (without clearing, of course:)? -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Where is 1.49c?
Hello TBUDL, It's strange, but there are no changes on RIT's site. There is still v1.49 available for dl, but where the f*** I can dl 1.49c? I am subscribed to Info list too, but last Info I got from them was for 1.49... Hmm, pretty strange... tried thebat.de, nothing... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: small stupidity
Hello Lija, Historians believe that on Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 12:11:27 GMT +0100, Lija [L] typed: L When I press H for searching, I immediately got the 'h' letter in the box. L Pretty fast, ha? :)) How to get rid of it (without clearing, of course:)? Are you talking about the Quick Search? You can type anything, and the quick search will appear. H is not special for this function. That's why you don't see one-key shortcuts in TB. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.49c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A With these words, this page is no longer blank but is complete. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Where is 1.49c?
Hello, It's strange, but there are no changes on RIT's site. There is still v1.49 available for dl, but where the f*** I can dl 1.49c? I am subscribed to Info list too, but last Info I got from them was for 1.49... Hmm, pretty strange... tried thebat.de, nothing... You can get it from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html -- Florian http://www.thebat.de German mailing list: http://liste.thebat.de German discussion board: http://forum.thebat.de -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
L Oh Jesus... here we go again: BC SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list. Hostile??? BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. H, it is very sad to hear something like this in non-political forum I thought we Serbs were the worst nation on the Earth, but now... I feel relief. Thank you Brian very much. Your primer will be my reminder. Thank you again! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Where is 1.49c?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lija, On 20 January 2001 at 12:08:29 +0100 (which was 11:08 where I live) Lija wrote and made these points: L It's strange, but there are no changes on RIT's site. There is L still v1.49 available for dl, but where the f*** I can dl 1.49c? You'll find it as a RAR file on the beta download site. The best way I find of getting there is by FTP to ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOml7CznkJKuSnc2gEQL1sQCfVg8BGK0V45LwawblUO/KqD7clhoAoJdi OMuszH8AiZgakg4MxcQ2W7l+ =oOdP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Fwd: Newsgroup
Hello Andrew, Sure.. but given that this forum IS about an E-mail client, isn't a mailing list the ideal medium!? Sure it is :-) However, many people do not want to receive a lot of messages, they just want to ask their question. Additionally, within a newsgroup (as an ADDITIONAL offer, NOT as a replacement for the lists), you get a very good archive through deja.com, netnews.web.de, etc. I see your point however. The idea of TB! newsgroup is a very good one indeed would increase public awareness of TB! That's exactly what I thought! And the traffic in the German mailreader group is enough to create a separate The Bat! group. I'll consider it. I think the main advantage for TB! and it's users in creating a TB! newsgroup would be that we could get feedback from people who would otherwise not have the time or the energy to contribute; Folk who don't like large amounts of additional e-mail traffic that TB! lists generate to use your example. Any interesting discussion generated in ALT.THE_BAT_E-MAIL_PROGRAM could be brought to the attention of this list by the moderator of the newsgroup anyway ;~) ACK! Thank you very much Florian. Thanks for your feedback, Andrew! One question.. erhmm... Would the newsgroup be in German or English? haha :~) Well, this one would be in German. However, feel free to create an English one as well ;) -- Florian http://www.thebat.de German mailing list: http://liste.thebat.de German discussion board: http://forum.thebat.de -- __ Archives : http://tbtech.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Where is 1.49c?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:08:29 +0100, Lija wrote these comments: ...snip... L for dl, but where the I can dl 1.49c? Profanity expressed or implied by code is expressly not allowed on this list. Please avoid using it in the future. Thanks. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TB(UDL|BETA|TECH)] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ __ TB! v1.49b | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOmmFh1fJ62ArBxfiEQK7owCfdsFiQKpcuUB9X0ytJkBVvR8YTRMAn1cs BvZOcA0sQdDZGSxFWpw0mxId =5lyY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Lija and other batters (Sorry Marck to reply to this thread declared closed by you, but I think it's necessary) On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:29:43 +0100, Lija wrote: BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. L H, it is very sad to hear something like this in non-political forum L I thought we Serbs were the worst nation on the Earth, but now... I feel relief. L Thank you Brian very much. Your primer will be my reminder. Thank you again! Your comment makes me wonder if you understood what Brain meant with shooting a horse. As you are pretty new to this list, you may not have encountered these long threads, where the same arguments return in circles and then a moderator declares a _thread_ to be a dead horse. In no case Brian meant that _you_ were a horse! Have a nice day Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB hot-keys keyboard problem
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:00:09 +0100, Lija wrote: L For all of us whose native language is not English, we have to use keyboard L switching. There is one small problem in this: L I set Ctrl+Shift for this. When I type in my language and need to type some L ASCII character like [, ], ;, /, in ALL other programs I can normally access to L these by additionally pressing Alt key, but Bat! makes problem when I want to type L Alt+Shift+/ to get question mark - '?'. I simply can not do it, regarding the L keyb. switch is in use or NOT! When Ctrl+Shift is active - it is worse - I get L the 'lite' menus (Alt+Ctrl+Shift+/ or Alt+Shift+/ in this case). L I tried to somehow fix this via 'Define System Hot-Keys', but there are no L possibilities... Is there any way to kill this remedy of Tanurkov's coding? :) Unfortunately there is no way. It is promised that the vaporware version 2 will have customizable key bindings. Your case seems to be uglier than the ones reported so far. I did complain in the past, too, but then i don't need to switch keyboards, i just am not able to use all TB shortcuts but can access all characters at the same time (Swiss and German keyboards use the right Alt-Key [alias AltGr] to access characters like @ [ ] ). Perhaps your usability problems will make Stef and Max think of adding customizable keys before version 2? Or you could use a third party tool. There was a thread in TBUDL or TBBETA recently, but can't recall the names of the tools and which was best suited... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Fwd: Newsgroup
Fellow readers, sorry for writing in German, but we are about to create a German The Bat! Usenet newsgroup and I need some feedback from you. Thanks :-) Florian --- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --- Von: Florian Effenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Samstag, 20. Januar 2001, 12:13:39 Betreff: Newsgroup Hallo, ich bin gerade dabei, eine Newsgroup fr The Bat! einzurichten. Den Vorteil sehe ich vor allem fr die Leute, die sich den Traffic der Mailingliste nicht aufhalsen wollen: man kann seine Frage stellen Meine Frage: wer von Euch wre bereit, (eventuelle auch zustzlich zur Mailingliste) in einer Newsgroup mitzulesen? Gebt mir mal ein bisschen Feedback, damit ich sehe, ob es sich lohnt, eine Gruppe einzurichten. Danke. :)) Ihr drft die Nachricht auch gerne in andere Gruppen weiterleiten ;-) Ciao Florian -- Florian http://www.thebat.de - -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Brian, On 20 January 2001 at 05:58:47 -0500 (which was 10:58 where I live) Brian Clark wrote and made these points: L Oh Jesus... here we go again: BC SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list. Okay folks - let's veer away from the "personal" here please. L A bit of mess, right? :) BC Yes. And the funny thing is, I don't see ANY of that unless I press BC Ctrl+Shift+K I believe that Lija's point is that these headers are somewhat verbose, redundant and represent a theft of bandwidth, whether they are visible or not. And, do you know, I actually agree with (him?). BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. I am shooting the horse indeed, but only on TBUDL and not before saying that Lija has my full sympathy and I will be discussing the removal of these headers with Syafril as soon as he emerges. Their purpose is moot since TB doesn't support these list traffic headers. Having said that, they are part of a standard. I'm not sure if it's RFC - anyone know? If so, please reply on TBTECH only. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOml4eznkJKuSnc2gEQJ/+gCguUmvWFnSWiXFNFT9338xUxgvBqsAoOHL vSz59qe4VNBs875bhy/2tvrw =KHiW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PLEASE MAKE NEXT BUILD DO THIS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! on Friday, January 19, 2001 10:54:34, our bat friend Marck D. Pearlstone typed: MDP It is better far to report the spam and MDP have it stopped at source so that you no longer *receive* messages MDP from that *organisation* (whatever address they might want to use). But how about this then, how about having a button that automagically creates such a report? Is this at all possible, or would it be too many variables to take into account, such as addresses and so on? - -- /Krister email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Icq: 902032 Obtain my pgp keys by sending a mail to this address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Send_pgp_keys Using The Bat 1.49 under Windows 98, V4.10, build A "Skiier: Someone who pays an arm and a leg to break them. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOmlyujg5SXqDEzkLEQIH1ACcDlxnHyJHkVJ/uvUUVlvIJzUHO9wAn1p4 TRA/+oC6KnVZh3L94OLRvbak =Q1Xf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, On 20 January 2001 at 13:35:17 +0100 (which was 12:35 where I live) Peter Steiner wrote and made these points: PS ... a moderator declares a _thread_ to be a dead horse. In no case PS Brian meant that _you_ were a horse! Thanks Peter - I missed that. You are quite right. This thread *is* dead here on the UDL but can continue on TBTECH. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmmLajnkJKuSnc2gEQK/cQCfZjNCGQLncr2c91/XK2iaQdUYSQsAoJhA C9mdO+6QKLDhLvbYZ9JN7uS5 =vVvW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PLEASE MAKE NEXT BUILD DO THIS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Krister, On 20 January 2001 at 13:12:56 +0100 (which was 12:12 where I live) Krister Ekstrom wrote and made these points: MDP It is better far to report the spam and have it stopped at MDP source so that you no longer *receive* messages from that MDP *organisation* (whatever address they might want to use). KE But how about this then, how about having a button that KE automagically creates such a report? Is this at all possible, or KE would it be too many variables to take into account, such as KE addresses and so on? Have you tried SpamCop? It's very good. But it's very much a manual / online process. I can't see an easy way to automate it. For instance, HTML spam has to be exported first and copied in full. SpamCop extracts source information from both the headers and the content and it does all sorts of NS lookups to track down the ISP and invariably gets it right. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmmQ3jnkJKuSnc2gEQLclgCffNar8r+Wq/mYaj+clHs5Zvr1lWQAnika 0PlmbgMo/8odRQxuLd5xikMB =6Ewz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Lija, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:40:31 AM, you wrote: T In that case I guess you will have to create .doc files and attach T them to the email. No, I won't send attached mail and write it in MS Word ;) Another way is to write your text in Notepad or another plain text editor and attach that. It is still attached (I know, you said you did not want that), but it is in no proprietary format like MS Word. And it is not wrapped (if you configured your text editor not to use hard returns). AFAIK in e-mail programs it is recommended by RFCs and part of the netiquette that hard returns are added by the e-mail programs at about 70 characters a line. This is e.g. helpful for quoting. Texts which you want to process further after mailing should be sent as an attachment. David -- David Buntenbroich e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.buntenbroich.de The Bat! 1.49c on Windows NT 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions - dispatcher
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.49c Serial Number 4FF098A9 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Dodatek Service Pack. 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: I was thinking about another improvement in TB. Currently if one is downloading headers (to see them in dispatcher) and for some reason clicks "cancel" then nothing is displayed, and all the already headers do to hell. I'd like another button, let's call it "Skip rest", that would cancel downloading headers, but display dispatcher anyway. Alternatively, I'd like dispatcher to work in an interactive mode -- just after the request to download headers, the dispatcher window would appear, and the headers would appear in it one-by-one while being downloaded. User could stop downloading of headers at any time, and start working with dispatcher as usual. CCed to TBUDL - what do you think guys? Regards, -- Krzysztof J. Trybowski === -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 -- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xC2AF5441 0xC6479839 ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions - skip and later
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.49c Serial Number 4FF098A9 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Dodatek Service Pack. 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: I'd greatly appreciate a very simple thing like a "skip" button on "Receiving mail" window. This would skip current message and start downloading next one. Also a "later" button would be nice - this would also cause TB to skip the message being currently downloaded, but contrary to the previous one, it would move this message to the end of the queue (so that I can start processing my other mail, while waiting for the given message to finish downloading). This is of course useful with large messages (on slow connections even 100kB messages are considered "large"). CCed to TBUDL - what do you think guys? Regards, -- Krzysztof J. Trybowski === -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 -- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xC2AF5441 0xC6479839 ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Saturday, January 20, 2001, 6:17:53 AM, you wrote: Is there any way or possibility to write them like one long line in Notepad with word-wrap option turned on, "ready for DTP processing"? That's why I can't never accept CR/LF codes... Just one big line, but wrapped automatically when reaching end of the display... There are potential problems sending messages with 1000 chars/line since this is the maximum line length specified in some RFC. Supposedly some servers will barf on those mails. This is something I picked up from a PMMail mailing list where the subject came up. Yours Jonas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions - simple header preview in Receiving mail window
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.49c Serial Number 4FF098A9 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Dodatek Service Pack. 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: a simple header preview in "Receiving mail" window - only subject and/or sender. It would greatly co-operate with the previous suggested feature of mine. It wouldn't slow down downloading mail at all. Should be switch-off-able though. CCed to TBUDL - what do you think guys? Regards, -- Krzysztof J. Trybowski === -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 -- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xC2AF5441 0xC6479839 ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB hot-keys keyboard problem
Hallo Lija, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:00:09 +0100 GMT (20/01/2001, 18:00 +0800 GMT), Lija wrote: L I set Ctrl+Shift for this. When I type in my language and need to type some L ASCII character like [, ], ;, /, in ALL other programs I can normally access to L these by additionally pressing Alt key, but Bat! makes problem when I want to type L Alt+Shift+/ to get question mark - '?'. Which language are you using? Over here, crtl-shft toggles between English and Chinese. If I want to type the question mark "?", I hit "shft-/", in either English or Chinese mode. -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschsprachigen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Everyone needs belief in something. I believe I'll have another beer. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mail dispatcher on the backstage :))
Hallo Lija, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:07:46 +0100 GMT (20/01/2001, 18:07 +0800 GMT), Lija wrote: L The Mail Dispatcher is great, but I do not want it to be shutdowned when I close L connection with the server. Any ideas, possibilities? Thank you. :) I think that's not possible. I know what you mean: tickmark the message and when you connect the next time, this info should be sent to the server. I don't know whether it's technically possible, but it surely is a suggestion. -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschsprachigen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here.--J.T. Kirk Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello solid, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:01:09 AM, you wrote: So Much I don't understand from you all in this world, somebody please tell me what this sign -:) :P FYI, CMIIW IMO IMHO etc... Try http://www.acronymfinder.com/ when encountering acronyms, it is amazing what people can make up but it is tedious so you will have to learn some of them, TANSTAAFL g Yours Jonas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 20 January 2001 at 17:11:44 +0100 (which was 16:11 where I live) David Buntenbroich wrote and made these points: DB AFAIK in e-mail programs it is recommended by RFCs and part of the DB netiquette that hard returns are added by the e-mail programs at DB about 70 characters a line. This is e.g. helpful for quoting. It is. Furthermore, many of them wrap after you hit send, so it's entirely out of your control and sight. The suggestion of attaching an externally prepared file is completely correct. Email was not designed to convey DTP information. DTP information was not designed to be sent as email messages. It's exactly what attachments are meant for. DB Texts which you want to process further after mailing should be DB sent as an attachment. I agree with you completely. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmnMEjnkJKuSnc2gEQKsAwCdHu6D1/W6xRt+/AQ1w1XjHaD1m/8AoLKQ gn9HkxTt2jJ/3q0siPxBGOU6 =5+T2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello David, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 8:11:44 AM, you wrote: DB AFAIK in e-mail programs it is recommended by RFCs and part of the DB netiquette that hard returns are added by the e-mail programs at about DB 70 characters a line. This is e.g. helpful for quoting. But at what point the Hard Returns are inserted is the problem. I propose the Hard Returns are not inserted until the E-mail is sent thus cutting off many other formatting problems as with PGP and such. - -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 Comment: Used for Privacy and Authentication iQEVAwUBOmnZ0jYFY6kvWSqxAQGCYggAiIbJuXeSaSMLiFa6d4B1BgkjgCpok2U7 7avxyrBsfUuhuUVBpTjQKfyQPovOS78djmSIx1Z9ZB6UyM9mF9uwfoemDtv2upGP QTcmoOy4ETRD/Kv6ZNVwnmXyMVcuOkLkw8MY0RyLf4WkwFK4nlHKqj/LtAnKe9Xs j11C+/K9I7WmojpC1o5EhzgeV2/u2ZLUqJ56gIfu/xJHegB7fHTOYyxM5apaB13t 9KNorpIrzIK3/P8qPPI9rxzMXeUxdqLwpI3g7xRdzfsfsLIi2XxxyvTlMQouTsVI 8OgacfvIcnGA4yT/lbAGYqzvsFqe06/1IcsfX7X62InLUzYobf0Www== =iM9O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hallo Lija, if you want non-wrapped Text then write it in Notepad (or something leike that) and save it as .txt, so that you can attach it to your Mails. You can't be sure that a Mail goes to the recipient as you want. The Recipient can have filters or his Mail-program ignores some special characters. With a attached file you won't get these Problems. If you don't want it, Quark is able to replace all 'returns'. Greetz -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Nebula, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:16:59 AM, you wrote: N if you want non-wrapped Text then write it in Notepad (or something leike N that) and save it as .txt, This is a knee jerk work around. How about giving the user the option to use hard returns or not. - -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** A mouse is an elephant built by the Japanese. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 Comment: Used for Privacy and Authentication iQEVAwUBOmnm7TYFY6kvWSqxAQFO3wf8DfBLc5+/34Ks/WsxjUnOAIQDRY8wA/Ah 6QRD1djODzeDqeYD7ptOtiGDvv5nPthlTpD8QdNVvo9MX2yXRSNy9GQ/4gDqKEQa QIIOQlI1cgsgWMUscTQ2Jn6I9JzTMTJnq48ycmmkvXNvjHuGZ3UUeN3DUgeNy5ng mxVZcbuB+sH9nn9xKtiNuHqhkbi0T5XjUf5cmyqqnHh0f1rOeaUn3M03W8P4su8Y c+Xa5z9A0wxcD9AKAqmj7cucpP3l6UsLEYgFL24yM8YySVpeU4uZGeURH+ARBl1k //Nmd6MnVCj6QNCDZlVw/dS5d4gbnle9A5R0E4OBmAbuEs+3foPxOw== =GLTf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, at 11:29:25 [GMT -0800], George F Schoelles wrote: GFS This is a knee jerk work around. How about giving the user the GFS option to use hard returns or not. Standards are not knee-jerk reactions. If you insist on sending unformatted e-mails, don't be upset with the complaints you get from recipients. The Bat! is an e-mail client, not a DTP utility. The function it performs is that of conveying textual information in an efficient and straight-forward manner. Unformatted lines, Rich Text, HTML, XML etc. do not enhance that function. However, if you insist on long lines that will, no doubt, cause readers to use the horizontal scroll bar, or view the message in an uncontrolled, and most likely, unwanted manner, then by all means turn off "Utilities/Auto-Wrap" (Shift-Ctrl-W). Should the demonstration in the previous paragraph actually work, my apologies to everyone else. Mike "try this at home, but not here" Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.49 running on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOmnrl9kz/SR3Uv4yEQJAUgCgwGwBHm0kAuisWt5idd5gUJRw0VMAn2er zgdnwdUsql0O7thD+o77XhJ8 =X5fL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hallo George, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:33:04 -0800 GMT (21/01/2001, 02:33 +0800 GMT), George F Schoelles wrote: DB AFAIK in e-mail programs it is recommended by RFCs and part of the DB netiquette that hard returns are added by the e-mail programs at about DB 70 characters a line. This is e.g. helpful for quoting. GFS But at what point the Hard Returns are inserted is the problem. You can set it. GFS I propose the Hard Returns are not inserted until the E-mail is GFS sent thus cutting off many other formatting problems as with PGP GFS and such. I tend to disagree. I rather like that I see the mail the way it will be sent. -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschsprachigen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Bureaucrats do not change the course of the ship of state. They merely adjust the compass. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Saturday, January 20, 2001, Thomas wrote: As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. Couldn't an alternative for that be to skip the footer and instead send a message containing "where is the archive" kind of information once a week? -- Urban I may still be on Windows 95 B, but that doesn't stop me from running TB! 1.49 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi George, On 20 January 2001 at 10:33:04 -0800 (which was 18:33 where I live) George F Schoelles wrote and made these points: GFS But at what point the Hard Returns are inserted is the problem. GFS I propose the Hard Returns are not inserted until the E-mail is GFS sent thus cutting off many other formatting problems as with PGP GFS and such. That is a retrograde step. What TB does in pre-formatting beats the other clients hands down in terms of plain text presentation. The others all wrap *after* you hit send. What's the point of that? The element of surprise? I want to see the mail *before* it leaves. Hard returns are going to be used. At least if they're seen *before* send is pressed then it is under *my* control and not . - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmntQDnkJKuSnc2gEQIq7wCeMc0wZFHIwPuhx1yfGQmcT2u9x4oAoMo7 VOZYm2Ar3G584i48O3tj2hCn =KUSP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi George, On 20 January 2001 at 11:29:25 -0800 (which was 19:29 where I live) George F Schoelles wrote and made these points: GFS This is a knee jerk work around. How about giving the user the GFS option to use hard returns or not. There is no choice. Hard returns get used at some point. At least in TB that point is "up front". In all other clients it's either behind the scenes or at the whim of a routing MTA. Whichever, it's out of the control of the message originator. Give me control over random anarchy any day. What you propose as an option is only possible when the routing is known. The "attach a text file" work-around is *not* knee jerk. It is 100% the correct solution. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmntNjnkJKuSnc2gEQLj5gCgsASn3ObXnDMwrpcq7iJVy4WJ87gAn0+a bqROkW741E+d0DreEtX6iQEh =ot3x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Thomas, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:30:43 AM, you wrote: DB AFAIK in e-mail programs it is recommended by RFCs and part of the DB netiquette that hard returns are added by the e-mail programs at about DB 70 characters a line. This is e.g. helpful for quoting. GFS But at what point the Hard Returns are inserted is the problem. T You can set it. Where other than by Number of characters? I refer to during editing vs: after editing. Kind of like auto-mating the alt+l thing. GFS I propose the Hard Returns are not inserted until the E-mail is GFS sent thus cutting off many other formatting problems as with PGP GFS and such. T I tend to disagree. I rather like that I see the mail the way it will T be sent. WYSIWYG can be done with-out hard-returns. Eudora has done it ever since 2.0. -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** Air Pollution is a mist-demeanor. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Mike, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:48:32 AM, you wrote: GFS This is a knee jerk work around. How about giving the user the GFS option to use hard returns or not. MY Standards are not knee-jerk reactions. If you insist on sending MY unformatted e-mails, don't be upset with the complaints you get from MY recipients. The Bat! is an e-mail client, not a DTP utility. The MY function it performs is that of conveying textual information in an MY efficient and straight-forward manner. Unformatted lines, Rich Text, MY HTML, XML etc. do not enhance that function. Standards were not taking place in the discussion. The discussion was on how TB's editor interacts with the user. MY However, if you insist on long lines that will, no doubt, cause readers to use the MY horizontal scroll bar, or view the message in an uncontrolled, and most likely, MY unwanted manner, then by all means turn off "Utilities/Auto-Wrap" (Shift-Ctrl-W). MY Should the demonstration in the previous paragraph actually work, my MY apologies to everyone else. You where demonstrating just what? -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Marck, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:55:33 AM, you wrote: GFS This is a knee jerk work around. How about giving the user the GFS option to use hard returns or not. MDP There is no choice. Hard returns get used at some point. At least in MDP TB that point is "up front". In all other clients it's either behind MDP the scenes or at the whim of a routing MTA. Whichever, it's out of the MDP control of the message originator. Give me control over random anarchy MDP any day. What you propose as an option is only possible when the MDP routing is known. So why do so many other clients handle this so much better? MDP The "attach a text file" work-around is *not* knee jerk. It is 100% MDP the correct solution. So if I were to use a text-editor than attach it, I might as well not use TB and route directly through sendmail, for it is my opinion that the editor is 90% of what makes the client. -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT : Bahasa [ was Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...]
Hello solid snake, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 17:01:09 GMT +0700(which was 1/21/2001 5:01 PM where you think I live) you told to Thomas on this list : According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. ss You mean in "Bahasa Indonesia" ? Bahasa means "Languange" No, Thomas correct with his Kamus (Thomas, you surprise me with your word G). "Bahasa" refer to "Bahasa Melayu" who currently used by Indonesian, Malaysian and some of Singapore people. On Singapore or Malaysia, this language commonly said as "Bahasa". -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:08:44 AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Urban, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 20:06:21 GMT +0100(which was 1/21/2001 2:06 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. U Couldn't an alternative for that be to skip the footer and instead U send a message containing "where is the archive" kind of U information once a week? That's not bad idea, I can do this automatically (using NT scheduler) if List Owner wish :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:06:08 AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Marck, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:55:44 AM, you wrote: GFS But at what point the Hard Returns are inserted is the problem. GFS I propose the Hard Returns are not inserted until the E-mail is GFS sent thus cutting off many other formatting problems as with PGP GFS and such. MDP That is a retrograde step. What TB does in pre-formatting beats the MDP other clients hands down in terms of plain text presentation. The MDP others all wrap *after* you hit send. What's the point of that? The MDP element of surprise? I want to see the mail *before* it leaves. Hard MDP returns are going to be used. At least if they're seen *before* send MDP is pressed then it is under *my* control and not . Fine this may be in your _opinion_, but how difficult could it be to give the user the option. -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** Shared joy is a double joy; shared sorrow is half a sorrow. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 11:37:31 GMT +(which was 1/21/2001 6:37 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : [ ... ] MDP I believe that Lija's point is that these headers are somewhat MDP verbose, redundant and represent a theft of bandwidth, whether MDP they are visible or not. And, do you know, I actually agree with MDP (him?). BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. MDP I am shooting the horse indeed, but only on TBUDL and not before MDP saying that Lija has my full sympathy and I will be discussing MDP the removal of these headers with Syafril as soon as he emerges. MDP Their purpose is moot since TB doesn't support these list traffic MDP headers. I just on-line (sorry in normal I was not on-line on Saturday/Sunday unless my pager beep due Server problem or Marck Wake Up me). Some part of the header for MTA Recipient purpose (especially for Postmaster) and me as List Manager just in case the delivering of the messages failed. When the message from the listserver distribute to final recipient, not always going stright to final MTA, sometimes goes first to Relayer (for example bigfoot account do like this). Some MTA tend to truncated the message content while the message header keep intact for further analysis or tracing who responsible when Delivery of message failed and to whom address the mail to fix the problem, if not they will treat the message came from the spammer (UCE) and make blocking (from ListServer POV, blocking is waste the bandwith resources :-(). Other part of headers is for our (ListServer) purpose. I can truncate some headers, such as Original Sender Route to this listserver such EZMLM ListServer did, but the weakness of this approach, if there is problem on message Delivery or others (such as Message Duplicating by Open Relay MTA etc), I the only one can find out the real problem (by reading ListServer logs), it's very hurt due the logs size sometimes more than 200 MB size/day and I am not always online. With current conditions, all list member can help me or Marck to find out what's the real problem. MDP Having said that, they are part of a standard. I'm not sure if MDP it's RFC - anyone know? If so, please reply on TBTECH only. RFC-2369, we discussed this long time ago on TBBETA list. Unfortunately our TB not supported this RFC yet, so TB can't utilize those kind of header (Pegasus is one of the mailer that support RFC-2369, if member of this list using Pegasus 3.x, he/she knows what I meant). -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:00:43 AM AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On 20 January 2001 at 03:14:46 +0700 (which was 20:14 where I live) Syafril Hermansyah wrote and made these points: As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. U Couldn't an alternative for that be to skip the footer and instead U send a message containing "where is the archive" kind of U information once a week? SH That's not bad idea, I can do this automatically (using NT SH scheduler) if List Owner wish :-) I would rather exclude the headers. The footer is a lot smaller now and includes the unsubscribe link and a reference to TBTECH. I don't think that the "you are subscribed as" line makes a lot of difference either. Those that are going to try unsubscribing from the wrong address don't pay any attention to it anyway, so it serves no purpose IMHO. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmn6gTnkJKuSnc2gEQJ24gCfbp9vvOUAmtw0kUkhWAixR6vB46sAmQG9 Tm8pG9IWiY8CfXbmOViIX/PT =CA3E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On January 20, 2001, at 12:08:46 PM, George F Schoelles Wrote: T I tend to disagree. I rather like that I see the mail the way it will T be sent. GFS WYSIWYG can be done with-out hard-returns. Eudora has done it ever GFS since 2.0. U... I would tend to disagree with this statement George. I've used Eudora since the early days as well, and it has never been WYSIWYG. Eudora's word wrapping at 76 characters is hardcoded into the Program, and is performed *after* the message is sent. With regards to PGP signatures for instance, this method necessitates a balancing act between PGP's word wrapping and that performed by Eudora, because PGP's wrapping is always performed *before* Eudora wraps. So, one has to find a way to eliminate Eudora's wrapping altogether, otherwise the integrity of the PGP signature will have been compromised. I much prefer how TB! includes the hard returns, for it completely eliminates the need for that balancing act. However, you are correct in that you will have to remember to set PGP/Options/Email/Word Wrap each time you use PGP outside of TB!, and that I too find irritating. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.3 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOmn+EsUChHR7o/3OEQJEMwCgvIVdDXRlguKaeQk4L0HDTcUQWpoAn1uf jaLYC9w/qR5UyZpsbpU9wvm0 =h1Rl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi George, On 20 January 2001 at 12:08:46 -0800 (which was 20:08 where I live) George F Schoelles wrote and made these points: GFS WYSIWYG can be done with-out hard-returns. Eudora has done it GFS ever since 2.0. This is literally impossible using plain ASCII text. Only Eudora users can receive the messages as sent. At least with TB the message format is universally legible. Making statements like this is doing your credibility no good at all. It seems to me that you are just being argumentative for the sake of it and I can't condone that kind of behaviour on the list. Please watch your tone and accuracy. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmn+FjnkJKuSnc2gEQKWvgCg0SxD/uRgBOyHFtTz8M072p07BtAAmwdv JJ/WdiEQwzt/i+HDkDJr70T/ =ZB7M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, at 12:12:21 [GMT -0800], George F Schoelles wrote: MY However, if you insist on long lines that will, no doubt, cause readers to use the MY horizontal scroll bar, or view the message in an uncontrolled, and most likely, MY unwanted manner, then by all means turn off "Utilities/Auto-Wrap" (Shift-Ctrl-W). MY Should the demonstration in the previous paragraph actually work, my MY apologies to everyone else. GFS You where demonstrating just what? Not everyone would see the top paragraph, attributed to me above, in the same way. If you turn off auto-wrap before you open my message you will see only one line. If auto-wrap is on, that line will be wrapped to the current window size at the time the message is opened. If you resize the window, close it and then open the message again, you will see the line split differently. This behavior doesn't reflect anyone's preferences, but does demonstrate a complete lack of control over the formatting of the message. By showing the author a message wrapped to his window and not his "wrap-before-send" settings, there is a possibility that no two parties will ever see the message wrapped in the same manner. Haven't you ever read a message that was mailed to you or posted to USENet with Outlook Express using out of the box defaults? Being able to switch the formatting from during-the-edit to prior-to-send may be simple, or it may require a second complete edit module. In either case, I, for one, don't think it is worth the effort. I'd like to go on record as stating that such an option would not enhance The Bat!. Mike Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.49 running on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOmn+zdkz/SR3Uv4yEQJQSQCgiskthnLxa9l2SSQpIk8nVOMqYdgAoJI9 DAn5Nb8P5SpfSHXhsa17z5oa =RQ/+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
On January 20, 2001, at 11:48:32 AM, Mike Yetto Wrote: MY Should the demonstration in the previous paragraph actually work, my MY apologies to everyone else. It works Mike because TB!'s Editor is truly WYSIWYG. :o) Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi George, On 20 January 2001 at 12:18:58 -0800 (which was 20:18 where I live) George F Schoelles wrote and made these points: MDP There is no choice. Hard returns get used at some point. At MDP least in TB that point is "up front". In all other clients it's MDP either behind the scenes or at the whim of a routing MTA. MDP Whichever, it's out of the control of the message originator. MDP Give me control over random anarchy any day. What you propose as MDP an option is only possible when the routing is known. GFS So why do so many other clients handle this so much better? Better? Are you serious? Random - out of control anarchy is better? I don't think that your assertion will find much support in this forum. MDP The "attach a text file" work-around is *not* knee jerk. It is MDP 100% the correct solution. GFS So if I were to use a text-editor than attach it, I might as well GFS not use TB and route directly through sendmail, Then do so, but don't ask me to. GFS for it is my opinion that the editor is 90% of what makes the GFS client. Yes, and in my opinion the TB editor is second to none. Having said that, I happen to know that the editor is to be rewritten for v2. I personally hope that they don't lose too much of the current superb functionality, although I am well aware that the editor is not everyone's cup of tea. (Let's not start a fresh debate on free caret and blank line paragraph delimiters). However, the editor is not what has really been brought into question. It is the whole theory of pre-formatting - one of TB's basic tenets and one of the most fundamental and important differences between TB and the rest. If you find this basic concept unacceptable then it seems to me that you may have chosen the wrong email client for your needs. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmn/TznkJKuSnc2gEQLoiwCeJFOpgi+aDgIxRHA8VGNzE0hMNGIAoOc3 jo6kfp6ffGGp3tmsl8PxOPdB =pEOa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: small stupidity
JA Are you talking about the Quick Search? You can type anything, and JA the quick search will appear. H is not special for this function. JA That's why you don't see one-key shortcuts in TB. Which is a sad arrangement. Quick-search seems useless, has never worked properly for me. For the benefit of one apparently disfunctinal quicksearch function, 25 potential one-key shortcuts have been made impossible. 8-( Let's hope that quicksearch disappears in Version 2.0, or that it gets assigned its own absurd keyboard shortcut such as CTRL+=. The = is in the upper row of keys on the English and in the lower row of keys on the German keyboard -- which drives me crazy, as I need to use the keyboard combination every once in a while to retrieve addresses from the Address Book. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.net [flying with The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, at 13:09:59 [GMT -0800], Nick Andriash wrote: MY Should the demonstration in the previous paragraph actually work, my MY apologies to everyone else. NA It works Mike because TB!'s Editor is truly WYSIWYG. :o) The beauty of this demonstration is that it won't work the same way for everyone. Did you see only one, excessively long line? That is what I saw before I sent it. I turned auto-wrap back on before I opened the message as it was returned to me in the list traffic, and, lo and behold, it did not look like what I sent. Mike Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.49 running on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOmoDCNkz/SR3Uv4yEQL5rQCfervb5RYpKJIVmaNdJfet0ft9BcgAoMlg ycHGycMEV7+shOngwQuMbj1w =kULy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
On January 20, 2001, at 1:28:40 PM, Mike Yetto Wrote: MY The beauty of this demonstration is that it won't work the same way MY for everyone. Did you see only one, excessively long line? That is MY what I saw before I sent it. I turned auto-wrap back on before I MY opened the message as it was returned to me in the list traffic, and, MY lo and behold, it did not look like what I sent. Well, no, I cannot view it as one excessively long line, because I am limited by the width of my 17" monitor. However, I was able to view it wrapped at 124, but again, that wrapping is a function of the size of my viewing window. If I was to reduce my font size so as the entire line length (241 I believe) would stretch across my screen, then that is what would show because that is where TB! inserted the hard return. :o) At least I *think* that is correct. ;o) Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions - skip and later
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:09:38 +0100, Krzysztof graced us with these comments: KJT I'd greatly appreciate a very simple thing like a "skip" KJT button on "Receiving mail" window. This would skip current KJT message and start downloading next one. Also a "later" KJT button would be nice - this would also cause TB to skip KJT the message being currently downloaded, but contrary to the KJT previous one, it would move this message to the end of the KJT queue (so that I can start processing my other mail, while KJT waiting for the given message to finish downloading). KJT This is of course useful with large messages (on slow KJT connections even 100kB messages are considered "large"). KJT CCed to TBUDL - what do you think guys? Why not prevent downloading of these large messages and then download them later at your leisure with the dispatcher. In fact you can even ignore some after examining the headers. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TB(UDL|BETA|TECH)] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ __ TB! v1.49b | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOmoNu1fJ62ArBxfiEQKe0ACfR+xif6gA68xHr/pLXG6mZfo7Q6QAnRGI iAaInve4cgoZmtjbX7s5vLua =bQ43 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Mike, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 1:10:31 PM, you wrote: MY Being able to switch the formatting from during-the-edit to MY prior-to-send may be simple, or it may require a second complete edit MY module. In either case, I, for one, don't think it is worth the MY effort. I'd like to go on record as stating that such an option would MY not enhance The Bat!. Of course it would not be an enhancement for you, but it would be for others. BTW, WYSIWYG is not a big deal in a text editor. WYSIWIG became a neat thing with True type and DTP and is virtually meaningless in this discussion. -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** If you wish good advice, consult an old man. Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:21:27 -0800, George graced us with these comments: ...snip... MDP That is a retrograde step. What TB does in pre-formatting beats MDP the other clients hands down in terms of plain text MDP presentation. The others all wrap *after* you hit send. What's MDP the point of that? The element of surprise? I want to see the MDP mail *before* it leaves. Hard returns are going to be used. At MDP least if they're seen *before* send is pressed then it is under MDP *my* control and not . I agree completely. GFS Fine this may be in your _opinion_, but how difficult could it be GFS to give the user the option. I've thought and deliberated over this issue for years of using e-mail clients and TB! handles things the right way. If things are done the right way, why ask for an option to do it the wrong way? :=) I cannot think of a situation where someone would genuinely wish to have their document *reformatted* with hard returns included and not care what it looks like before the recipient receives it. This is what TB! offers you. It's depressing that so many other clients fall short in this regard. If you wish to send messages with paragraphs containing no hard returns, for DTP processing, then that material should really be sent as an attachment. This sounds like I'm being imposing but it's not intended. I just feel strongly about it. If you don't agree, simply ignore me and don't forget the disclaimer in my signature. :=)) - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TB(UDL|BETA|TECH)] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ __ TB! v1.49b | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOmoVjlfJ62ArBxfiEQKJeQCfXwh09jR/O7hHuszOOhKdMDDg2aoAni8Q LOFxcLUX03kWhEYclxl8maYc =0Vhr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: TB! v1.49 - newbie: quoting the output of a regexp
Hello Januk, On Friday, January 19, 2001 09:49:12 GMT -0800, you wrote the following in regards to 'TB! v1.49 - newbie: quoting the output of a regexp': Januk You need another single quote at the very end of this line. So it Januk becomes: Januk %WRAPPED='On %ODATEEN %QINCLUDE="OTIME", you wrote the following in regards to Januk ''%QINCLUDE="bracket"'':' Everything is working properly now, Januk, but I have one last question on this subject. When using the %WRAPPED macro, it does not seem to obey the starting position. See the 2nd [wrapped] line in the intro. Is it possible to have %WRAPPED wrap to the starting line position as TB! is doing automatically in this paragraph? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA PGP-Key 0x4C9CDF9D Using TB! v1.49 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: small stupidity
Hello Avenarius, Historians believe that on Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 22:18:53 GMT +0100, Avenarius [A] typed: A Which is a sad arrangement. Quick-search seems useless, I wouldn't say useless, I do use it when testing templates and things. A has never worked properly for me. In what way? It searches the information displayed in the message list view. In that respect it *always* works for me. A For the benefit of one apparently disfunctinal A quicksearch function, 25 potential one-key shortcuts have been made A impossible. 8-( I agree that is unfortunate. A snip or that it gets assigned its own absurd keyboard shortcut A such as CTRL+=. Ok, but how is that different than the full search feature then? Or are you thinking just have some shortcut to bring the focus to the Quick Search toolbar, even if it is docked? A The = is in the upper row of keys on the English and in the lower A row of keys on the German keyboard -- which drives me crazy, as I A need to use the keyboard combination every once in a while to A retrieve addresses from the Address Book. That is unfortunate as well. But the only way TB can help here is if it were to allow user-definable shortcuts, right? I believe that was slated for V2, amongst many, many other things. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.49c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A This sentence lets you know this page was not a mistake. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.49 - newbie: quoting the output of a regexp
Hi Jan, Historians believe that on Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 18:50:25 GMT -0500, Jan Rifkinson [JR] typed: JR Everything is working properly now, Januk, I'm glad to hear that. JR When using the %WRAPPED macro, it does not seem to obey the starting JR position. See the 2nd [wrapped] line in the intro. Is it possible to JR have %WRAPPED wrap to the starting line position as TB! is doing JR automatically in this paragraph? I don't know. You'll have to ask the RIT guys to see if they can implement that. I think I recall someone else asking that very question as well. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.49c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I was the next door kid's imaginary friend. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, at 14:45:30 [GMT -0800], George F Schoelles wrote: GFS Of course it would not be an enhancement for you, but it would be GFS for others. BTW, WYSIWYG is not a big deal in a text editor. GFS WYSIWIG became a neat thing with True type and DTP and is virtually GFS meaningless in this discussion. For the purposes of this discussion WYSIWIG has become synonymous with formatted text, although it is more than that. Nor is it dependent on True Type, Type 1 or DTP. You seem to be the only one participating in this thread who wants to change the practice of formatting the text while it is still visible. While this is not a standard, wrapping text at a reasonable value (65 columns, I think) is part of RFC-822. Doing it while the author can still see the results not only makes sense, but pays respect to that author. I realize that you do not want wrapped text and would rather no one else used it either. The way to reconcile your practice with my dislike of formatting that interferes with communication is for me to disregard the rest of this thread along with any future poorly formatted messages that appear on this list. Mike Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.49 running on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOmo6Pdkz/SR3Uv4yEQJV4ACgnw2cONnrNyuhBKB/XzyjevdU/A4An2CK uztD6rOSWvA/xm1gVBMjEmEr =zJEm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
(No Subject)
This is my 2nd try. Still can't install 1.49 to make it work. Does any one out there has any suggestions? I had 1.44 and installed 1.49 over 1.44. I noticed the icons' color are all lighter shade -- "Get New Mail" is light sea blue, "Send Queue Mail" is light green, etc. Then when I try to retrieve mail. The dialog box appear briefly, then disappear -- with no new messages after 24 hours since my last retrieval. The Log Panel displayed "connection finished - 0 message received". However, theBat NEVER asked me for the password, although it was set to do that on every retrieval. [I don't save my password in the program.] Then I try to send a test message. The dialog box appears, and the graphic bar went from 0 to 100%; then the dialogbox disappears. The "sent" message appears in the Sent folder; but I didn't get it in my other account. No error message. So I uninstalled TheBat; and reinstalled it. No change. Same problems. I tried installing 1.48f. Same problems. When I reinstalled 1.44 over 1.49, everything works. I am using Win95a, if it makes any difference; no virus programs, no firewalls running in the background. Any possible diagnosis? If I can't get any answers here, where can I go? Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.44 Under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Problems running TB ver. 1.49x (was: Re: (No Subject))
Hello net5zero, Historians believe that on Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 20:57:10 GMT -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [n] typed: n This is my 2nd try. Still can't install 1.49 to make it work. Does n any one out there has any suggestions? Probably not, that's why you haven't received any help yet. I can't help you much either, but perhaps in answering a couple of questions, you can solve/isolate the problem. n I had 1.44 and installed 1.49 over 1.44. I noticed the icons' color are n all lighter shade -- "Get New Mail" is light sea blue, "Send Queue Mail" n is light green, etc. If I remember correctly, the icons did change a few versions back. It was about the same time as S/MIME was introduced. I can't remember what version that was. n Then when I try to retrieve mail. The dialog box appear briefly, then n disappear -- with no new messages after 24 hours since my last n retrieval. The Log Panel displayed "connection finished - 0 message n received". However, theBat NEVER asked me for the password, although it n was set to do that on every retrieval. [I don't save my password in n the program.] So I assume you checked the Account - Properties to confirm that these settings were correct in the newer versions? n Then I try to send a test message. The dialog box appears, and the n graphic bar went from 0 to 100%; then the dialogbox disappears. The n "sent" message appears in the Sent folder; but I didn't get it in my n other account. No error message. How are you checking the other account? With another client? If your TB does not receive messages...well, you get the picture. n So I uninstalled TheBat; What steps did you take to uninstall? Did you remove the registry entries? n and reinstalled it. Did you recreate the accounts when you reinstalled, or did you use the old message bases? What happens if you create a new account in TB to check? Does it work correctly? snip n Any possible diagnosis? If I can't get any answers here, where can I n go? Try checking with the RIT guys directly. See the RIT webpage for the exact address. IIRC, it is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I could be wrong. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.49c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Despite these words, this page is blank. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT : Bahasa [ was Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...]
Hallo Syafril, On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:14:10 +0700 GMT (21/01/2001, 04:14 +0800 GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. SH No, Thomas correct with his Kamus (Thomas, you surprise me with your SH word G). I have travelled in Indonesia and Malaysia and remembered the name of my little helper. ;-) Anyway, I looked the word "challenge" up under www.yourdictionary.com -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Love is blind but like is just too freaked out to see straight. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hallo George, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:08:46 -0800 GMT (21/01/2001, 04:08 +0800 GMT), George F Schoelles wrote: GFS But at what point the Hard Returns are inserted is the problem. T You can set it. GFS Where other than by Number of characters? That's what I meant; I wasn't aware it's not what you asked. GFS I refer to during editing vs: after editing. Kind of like GFS auto-mating the alt+l thing. Mark the whole message and active auto-wrap and/or auto-format? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Doctors use computers to create a three demential picture of a person's brain. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Like Notepad with word-wrap...
Hello Marck, GFS WYSIWYG can be done with-out hard-returns. Eudora has done it GFS ever since 2.0. MDP This is literally impossible using plain ASCII text. Only Eudora users MDP can receive the messages as sent. At least with TB the message format MDP is universally legible. But how do you explain this: I made simple text message in Outlook Express 5.5 and choosed quoted-printable encoding. I've been watching it while editing and in Outbox, and saved in later in TXT file, and everything was fine. I GOT what I wanted to! Even with 8-bit letters correctly displayed. Wrapping option (to 76 chars, by default in OE) was available only with MIME/None. When I choose QP and/or Base64, my 'DTP problem' simply disappears! I tried it (QP encoding) in Bat!, but no results, hard returns are used, unfortunately! -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Translating The Bat...
Hello TBUDL, Who downloaded International Pack, here? I posted a wish message to RIT few months ago about translation to my native (Serbian) language, but they didn't respond. I offered myself to do that job for them absolutely free, no charge at all, but still no answer. So far, I downloaded only THEBAT.LNG file, tried something, but... is there any tool that will allow me to modify this file and add support for my native language? That would be great pleasure to all users in Serbia... and specially, done by Lija. :)) -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
