Re: TB! Manual

[Thomas]

Hi Dierk,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 09:04:30 +0200GMT (16/05/2001, 15:04 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

>> No, your best bet is this list. However, if you want to write such a
>> manual, I think you could make a lot of people happy. ;-)

DH> Well, the German one seems to be quite good, I'm told ...

I don't know about a German manual, only a help file. Can you point me
to the manual?

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Thomas]

Hi Nick,

On Tue, 15 May 2001 22:19:49 -0700GMT (16/05/2001, 13:19 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> At first glance it would appear not. The signature delimiter is "hyphen
NA> hyphen space", and even though a PGP signature will dash escape that text,
NA> The Bat! will still recognize the delimiter.

No. You have to use a RegEx to cut off the sig, if it is different
from the basic dash-dash-space-enter. TB does *not* recognise
dash-space-dash-dash-space-enter as a sig delimiter.

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 12:34:06 AM, Thomas wrote:

> No. You have to use a RegEx to cut off the sig, if it is different from
> the basic dash-dash-space-enter. TB does *not* recognise
> dash-space-dash-dash-space-enter as a sig delimiter.

It sure does on my machine, and I have no Regex's in my reply Template. If
I take any message of mine and hit the reply button, all information below
my delimiter is omitted. 


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Thomas]

Hi Nick,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 00:53:17 -0700GMT (16/05/2001, 15:53 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

>> No. You have to use a RegEx to cut off the sig, if it is different from
>> the basic dash-dash-space-enter. TB does *not* recognise
>> dash-space-dash-dash-space-enter as a sig delimiter.

NA> It sure does on my machine, and I have no Regex's in my reply Template.

Wow. I just took the RegEx out of my reply template, and you're right,
TB does recognise the PGP escaped sig delimiter now. :-) When was that
introduced?

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Re: TB! Manual

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 9:31:02 AM you wrote:

> I don't know about a German manual, only a help file. Can you point me
> to the manual?

You are right, in times of "Online Help" I usually forget that help
and manual in the vernacular are different things than as software
companies use it.

I meant the help file.


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Nick,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 9:53:17 AM you wrote:

NA> It sure does on my machine, and I have no Regex's in my reply Template. If
NA> I take any message of mine and hit the reply button, all information below
NA> my delimiter is omitted. 

I don't know why, but you seem to make something right. I've also
already noticed the PGP-delimiter is used meanwhile, but, it's
harm, not all the time. YOUR mails I can reply to and the ugly
PGP-parts are cutted of. Many other mails that came over the list too
(I haven't tested all yet), but I got a PM from "Marck D. Pearlstone",
where "the trick" didn't work :-( The only difference (ignoring the
difference in the text *g*) I could see was the additional sig the
list attaches. I've copy Marcs mail to a temp folder, took of the
regexp in my reply-template, edited the mail and added originally the
sig from the list (-- \n ... "Archives   : "-stuff) ... it
didn't work out for me ... SO WHAT's the difference? I do the hell not
know why it's one/many time working and another time not :-(

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Devid,

On Tuesday, May 15, 2001 at 9:34:55 PM you wrote:

DV>   The bug description:
DV> When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it
DV> again, you get an access violation error.

confirmed over here. additionally I can say: you get an access
violation for EVERY account Log closing that's more than the second.
So if there are three logs of the same account open (by pressing
++a three time) I get 2 violations, one after closing the
second and one after closing the third ... and so on with more
logs-views ...
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Re: Help with macro

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Michael,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 6:06:52 AM you wrote:

MD> Here's  what  I and trying to accomplish:

MD> I  need  some  way to keep my TB mail synchronized between my home and
MD> work  computers.  This  is because I work from home two days per week.
MD> Keeping  incoming  mail synchronized is easy; it's the sent email that
MD> is  the problem. It seems the above macros would be the easiest way to
MD> do this.

MD> All help greatly appreciated! :)


*hmmm* I'm sorry I can't help with the macro, I also think this would
be not possible with macros, but what about 2 other ideas?

First (simple) one: when leaving your workspace, knowing next day
you're at home, exporting the "Sent" folder to a Unix-Mailbox, send it
home, import it into your "Sent" folder, kill dupes in that folder.
That's what I've done yesterday for a quick and dirty sync :-)

Second: what about using "Tools" / "Synchronise" 


*aehm* .. spell checker tells me "Synchronise" is wrong and should be
"Synchronize" as I've first typed it ... is there maybe a misspelling
in the menu? I don't know exactly, english ain't my first language and
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Thomas]

Hi Peter,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 11:23:45 +0200GMT (16/05/2001, 17:23 +0800GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

DV>>   The bug description:
DV>> When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it
DV>> again, you get an access violation error.

PP> confirmed over here.

Not confirmed. Regardless of how often I hit shft-crtl-A, only one
account log window will open. And it closes without any problems.

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Re[2]: Where'd my message indicator go?

[John Phillips]

Hello André
You wrote  On Wed, 16 May 2001, at 08:29:03 [GMT +0200] (16:29 Australian Eastern 
Time,Wednesday):

> Yup  miss  that feature too. It got replaced by the connection center.
> It  combines  all  information for all accounts in one big ugly window
> now.  You can have it displayed automatically by going to Options|Show
> Connection Centre| (Automatically, Show Always, Hide)


Personally I find it better - using 2 or more isp accounts, the other
way was real messy.  Only one would ever show on the screen AFAIK

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Re: Where'd my message indicator go?

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Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 1:12:43 PM, John Phillips wrote:

> Personally I find it better - using 2 or more isp accounts, the other
> way was real messy.  Only one would ever show on the screen AFAIK

Right, I second that. The CC is way better, I did not like all
those little windows popping up like crazy when
sending/receiving mail.

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Re: PLEASE CONSIDER! my humble request ole Bat People who run the show.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 9:54:12 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

> DO NOT SHOUT!!  You will never get an answer to your question!

Ugh, some people never understand...

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Importing Eudora Mail

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello fellow Bat! users,

I have a friend who needs to send me many e-mail messages that he
received from someone else but does not want to forward all of them.
He is using Eudora 5.0.

If I attempt to use TB!'s import wizard it just wants you to point to
the directory where Eudora resides.  What I would like to know is
this:

Can he send me just the Eudora folder files for me to be able to
import it in to TB!?

Further, since the messages receipient e-mail address will differ from
mine if I import them will this cause a problem?

Is there a better way to get this accomplished?

Thanks!

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Devid,

Tuesday, May 15, 2001, 3:34:55 PM, you wrote:

DV>   Steps to reproduce the bug:
DV> * minimise The Bat! (to the tray or not, it doesn't matter)
DV> * put your focus on something from The Bat!, like a new mail
DV>   message window, a view folder, or the mail ticker
DV> * tap SHIFT-CTRL-A twice
DV> * close the first Account Log
DV> * close the second Account Log, and you'll get the error:
DV>   "Access violation at address 005BAE52. Read of address
DV>   01F8"

Confirmed here.

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Re: Help with macro

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Michael,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 00:06:52 -0400 (Wed, 16 May 06:06:52 in Copenhagen)
you wrote:

> it's the sent email that is  the problem.

You could consider using the SMTP-server of Operamail
(http://www.opermail.com) or Mail & News (http:/www.mailandnews.com).
When you send a message from your mailer using one of these SMTP's, a
copy of your message is placed on the server. You could then fetch these
copies at the second location with the maildispatcher - using either
it's IMAP-capacities or it's Remote Mailbox-capacities.

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Re[2]: Where'd my message indicator go?

[Yuki Taga]

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 3:29:03 PM, André wrote:

AE> Yup  miss  that feature too. It got replaced by the connection center.
AE> It  combines  all  information for all accounts in one big ugly window
AE> now.  You can have it displayed automatically by going to Options|Show
AE> Connection Centre| (Automatically, Show Always, Hide)

Thanks Andre.  Progress . . . I guess.  

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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Gerry,

On 16 May 2001 at  08:23:22 -0400 (which was 13:23 where I  live)
Gerry Doyon wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

GD> Can he send me just the Eudora folder files for me to be able to
GD> import it in to TB!?

Since TB wants to point to Eudora, not just the folders, maybe this
won't work. That will need an e-Eudora user to answer in more detail.

GD> Is there a better way to get this accomplished?

Why not MIME forward the messages? Double click on one of the
attached messages and they all open in a virtual folder. You can then
move them from there into a real folder at will.

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 2:19:36 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

> (I haven't tested all yet), but I got a PM from "Marck D. Pearlstone",
> where "the trick" didn't work :-(

Yes, I've noted that when you hit the reply button on Marck's messages,
the delimiter is ignored for some reason. It's not just Marck's messages
though, as Dierk's messages and many others act the same way... where the
delimiter is ignored when dash-escaped by PGP.

I cannot see a pattern yet, but it may have something to do with the PGP
version one has... although I don't see how that should matter.


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Synchronise or Synchronize

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Peter!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 11:30:36 AM you wrote:

> 
> *aehm* .. spell checker tells me "Synchronise" is wrong and should be
> "Synchronize" as I've first typed it ... is there maybe a misspelling
> in the menu? I don't know exactly, english ain't my first language and
> I've no dictionary here at work
> 

Simple explanation: -ise is British English; -ize American spelling.

There are exceptions, as you can use -ize in British spelling, too
(exception: words with two syllables).


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Peter!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 11:19:36 AM you wrote:

> I don't know why, but you seem to make something right. I've also
> already noticed the PGP-delimiter is used meanwhile, but, it's
> harm, not all the time. YOUR mails I can reply to and the ugly
> PGP-parts are cutted of. Many other mails that came over the list too
> (I haven't tested all yet), but I got a PM from "Marck D. Pearlstone",
> where "the trick" didn't work :-(

Confirmed, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.



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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 8:38:25 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

> Confirmed, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

On your messages it doesn't... but on mine, it does. 

Win98SE with PGP 7.1, GnuPG 1.0.5 through GnuPGShell 1.76 and WinPT 0.2.0


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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 10:29:07 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

>>  I don't know exactly, english ain't my first language and I've no
>> dictionary here at work

When you need a dictionary, here is one good place to start:

http://yourdictionary.com

Other British spellings here include colour, minimise, and centre

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

[David Elliott]

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Hail Thomas

On 16 May 2001 at 17:29:28 +0800 (which was 10:29 where I live) Thomas
rearranged electrons to get

DV>>>   The bug description:
DV>>> When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it
DV>>> again, you get an access violation error.

PP>> confirmed over here.

> Not confirmed. Regardless of how often I hit shft-crtl-A, only one
> account log window will open. And it closes without any problems.

I am with you Thomas.

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Nick,

On 16 May 2001 at  08:35:16 -0700 (which was 16:35 where I  live) Nick
Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

NA> Yes, I've noted that when you hit the reply button on Marck's
NA> messages, the delimiter is ignored for some reason. It's not just
NA> Marck's messages though, as Dierk's messages and many others act
NA> the same way... where the delimiter is ignored when dash-escaped
NA> by PGP.

NA> I cannot see a pattern yet, but it may have something to do with
NA> the PGP version one has... although I don't see how that should
NA> matter.

I can. My dash-escaped sig has the trailing space removed when it is
escaped. Yours does not. I'm going to sign this with PGP-Tray to see
if it's that. I've used both GPG and PGP6.5.8 with plug-ins. The only
other variable is that Nick's using 7.1 of PGP.

Just did a dummy run. The answer is the plug-in. I will do the same
again - signed from the tool tray and you'll see it's fine.

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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dierk,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 5:29:07 PM you wrote:

DH> Simple explanation: -ise is British English; -ize American spelling.

OK ... that sounds logical. But than: please update the
spelling-dictionary for British English that comes with the
installation :-)

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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dwight,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 5:56:26 PM you wrote:

DAC> When you need a dictionary, here is one good place to start:

DAC> http://yourdictionary.com


Thx ... one more thing found I was searching for :-)

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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On May 16, 2001, at 9:01:33 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> Just did a dummy run. The answer is the plug-in. I will do the same
> again - signed from the tool tray and you'll see it's fine.

Yes, it is in the Plugin. My last message was signed via the Plugin, and
my delimiter isn't working. OTOH, if I use GnuPGShell, or WinPT or
PGPTray, then the delimiter is recognised. So the Plugin must be stripping
that trailing space as you mention.


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SOT: PGP Problem

[Angel]

Hello, fellow Bataholics!

I'm asking for a friend of mine who was in immediate need of help, and
*I* know diddly about PGP lol But, I DO know that some of you are VERY
well versed in it and thought I would post and see if someone could
possibly answer this question, for references sake :)

He said he "can't find where to get my public key to give to TLDNames"
after telling me "damn server rejected my pgp email because my signature
was not in thier database".
He's using "PGP Freeware Network Associates ver. 6.5.8"

He did fix the problem..he was sending from the wrong address (duh
LOL)...but, for future reference, could someone answer this cos there
isn't really "up front" info on it?

Thanks bunches ,guys and gals! :)

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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Marck,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 9:49:59 AM, you wrote:

GD>> Can he send me just the Eudora folder files for me to be able to
GD>> import it in to TB!?

MDP> Since TB wants to point to Eudora, not just the folders, maybe this
MDP> won't work. That will need an e-Eudora user to answer in more detail.

He sent me some Eudora file to test importing. I haven't tried them
yet.

GD>> Is there a better way to get this accomplished?

MDP> Why not MIME forward the messages? Double click on one of the
MDP> attached messages and they all open in a virtual folder. You can then
MDP> move them from there into a real folder at will.

Why?  Because there are dozens of messages that he does not want to
have to send each one individually.  I do not know if you can
multi-select messages in Eudora and send them all in one fell swoop.

Thanks!

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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Peter!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 6:02:00 PM you wrote:

> OK ... that sounds logical. But than: please update the
> spelling-dictionary for British English that comes with the
> installation :-)

Since both spelling variants are perfectly correct for British English
there is no reason to change it - well, at least it is not a high
priority ... :-)



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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Devid Verfaillie]

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 19:41:01 David Elliott wrote:

DV   The bug description:
DV When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it
DV again, you get an access violation error.

PP>>> confirmed over here.

>> Not confirmed. Regardless of how often I hit shft-crtl-A, only one
>> account log window will open. And it closes without any problems.

> I am with you Thomas.

Are you sure TB! is minimized? If it's opened and running in the
background (behind some other window), it doesn't work.

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Auto-Reply Help Needed

[Robert D.]

Hello -- I just got started with Bat. One of the things I'm trying to
do is auto-forward spam to my ISP (they're asking for this).

I can already filter it to a Spam-In folder. I made a template that
puts the full-headers and the text (of spam) into body --and correctly
addresses the email.

But I can not automate this. I see in the help section, that there are
*Actions* available. One is called Auto-Reply.

Well, on the *Action* tab of anything I see here, there is never any
such choice.

Can some one tell me what I am doing wrong?

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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dierk,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 6:52:32 PM you wrote:

DH> Since both spelling variants are perfectly correct for British English
DH> there is no reason to change it - well, at least it is not a high
DH> priority ... :-)

Before I become misunderstood: never meant "change immediately" :=)
... if both are correct spell checking should not tell me the "s" one
as wrong :-) that was my only intention. I for myself have already
changed it in the dictionary file, just though for future :-)
But as you said: it's (very) low priority, but could be included
if stefan, max or somebody else with access to the source file is bored
and "really wants to change" one line *grin*

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TheBat features

[Catalin Olteanu]

Hello TBUDL,

Some suggestions for future TheBat! features:

It will be really nice to add a "Skip message" option in
Connection Center - useful especially if I'm checking the email from
home, and I don't want to download a huge email over my slow
home-connection (and I don't have IMAP as well).

Have a (default) "Open in New Window" option for links in
emails. It's annoying to copy and paste them in new browser windows,
or to lose current content all the time.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Thomas]

Hello Devid,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:07:06 +0200 GMT (17/05/2001, 01:07 +0800 GMT),
Devid Verfaillie wrote:

DV>   The bug description:
DV> When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it
DV> again, you get an access violation error.

>>> Not confirmed.

DV> Are you sure TB! is minimized? If it's opened and running in the
DV> background (behind some other window), it doesn't work.

You are right, I hadn't minimzed TB. I can now confirm the Access
Violation.

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Re: TheBat features

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Catalin,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 7:19:05 PM you wrote:

CO> Have a (default) "Open in New Window" option for links in
CO> emails. It's annoying to copy and paste them in new browser windows,
CO> or to lose current content all the time.

try +Click :-)

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Re: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[Angel]

Hi Robert!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 10:07:04 AM, you scribbled:

RD> I can already filter it to a Spam-In folder. I made a template that
RD> puts the full-headers and the text (of spam) into body --and correctly
RD> addresses the email.
RD> But I can not automate this. I see in the help section, that there are
RD> *Actions* available. One is called Auto-Reply.
RD> Well, on the *Action* tab of anything I see here, there is never any
RD> such choice.
RD> Can some one tell me what I am doing wrong?
I can try to help :) I don't see that you're doing anything WRONg per
se, just maybe "missing" something :)  *hugs*
(Welcome to TheBat! by the way :)   )

In the filters, find the filter you set up for the SPAM. Do this by
clicking the + sign next to "Incoming Mail" (if that is how you set it
up...some people set up filters for their outgoing mail, and so forth
and so on...) and scrolling down the list until you find your SPAM
filter.
THEN, single click on it to highlight it. Then over on your
right, you will see the filter setup with a bunch of TABS across the
top (Rule; Alternatives; Actions; Options; Advanced).
Click on the "ACTIONS" tab, and scroll down until you see "Forward To".
Tik the box next to that option, then type in the address you wish to
forward it to.
If you wish to include the kludges in your forwarded mail, tik the
"Include Kludges In The Text" option box.
(There are two other boxes there too: "Do not send attachments" and
"Always use MIME envelope". It's your choice to tik those or not. All
three apply to the mail you will be forwarding.)

Then click OK, and it should filter the mail, then auto-forward it to
the specified address, from thereon-in. :)

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Re: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Robert,
On Wed, 16 May 2001, at 13:07:04 -0400 you wrote:

RD> Hello -- I just got started with Bat. One of the things I'm
RD> trying to do is auto-forward spam to my ISP (they're asking
RD> for this).

Why don't you use 'Forward To' on the action tab? Or am I getting
you wrong?

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Re: TheBat features

[jsvrp.gw]

Hello TBUDL,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 7:19:05 PM, you wrote:

CO> Some suggestions for future TheBat! features:

CO> It will be really nice to add a "Skip message" option in
CO> Connection Center - useful especially if I'm checking the email from
CO> home, and I don't want to download a huge email over my slow
CO> home-connection (and I don't have IMAP as well).

You can specify in the account properties, the maximum amount of
kilobytes you want to download. eg I have set it to 2000 kb. If
there's a message larger than 2000 kb on the server, The Bat! only
downloads the header with information about the size of the mail. With
mail dispatch you can always download the file later.

CO> Have a (default) "Open in New Window" option for links in
CO> emails. It's annoying to copy and paste them in new browser windows,
CO> or to lose current content all the time.

This is already the case. When I double click on a URL in a message, it
will open the link in a new browser window.

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Re: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[Thomas]

Hello Robert,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 13:07:04 -0400 GMT (17/05/2001, 01:07 +0800 GMT),
Robert D. wrote:

RD> But I can not automate this. I see in the help section, that there are
RD> *Actions* available. One is called Auto-Reply.

There is another one called Forward Mail to...

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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hi Gerry,

On 16 May 2001 at  11:12:19 -0400 (which was 16:12 where I  live)
Gerry Doyon wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

MDP>> Why not MIME forward the messages? Double click on one of the
MDP>> attached messages and they all open in a virtual folder. You can then
MDP>> move them from there into a real folder at will.

GD> Why?  Because there are dozens of messages that he does not want to
GD> have to send each one individually.  I do not know if you can
GD> multi-select messages in Eudora and send them all in one fell swoop.

Oh, okay. You can send mutliple in TB. I keep forgetting that we're
using the best there is ;-).

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Re: TheBat features

[Thomas]

Hello Jeroen,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:38:03 +0200 GMT (17/05/2001, 01:38 +0800 GMT),
jsvrp.gw wrote:

CO>> Some suggestions for future TheBat! features:

CO>> It will be really nice to add a "Skip message" option in
CO>> Connection Center

I second this.

jg> You can specify in the account properties, the maximum amount of
jg> kilobytes you want to download. eg I have set it to 2000 kb. If
jg> there's a message larger than 2000 kb on the server, The Bat! only
jg> downloads the header with information about the size of the mail. With
jg> mail dispatch you can always download the file later.

Can you now? TB you set "Delete message from server" TB used to delete
the not-downloaded message as well. I'd prefer if TB downloaded the
first xxx KB (as set in the limit) and left the message on the server,
and put a little icon in the grey message header field, on which you
can click to download the complete message next time around, if you so
wish.

CO>> Have a (default) "Open in New Window" option for links in
CO>> emails. It's annoying to copy and paste them in new browser windows,
CO>> or to lose current content all the time.

jg> This is already the case. When I double click on a URL in a message, it
jg> will open the link in a new browser window.

If you hold shift while clicking, as Peter has already pointed out.

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Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[ANT-ilic]

Hello Everybody!

  I use manual filters with a hot-key...
  I've got a filter that puts messages from outbox into another
  outbox (on another account, of course)... Even if there are no
  messages left in outbox it remains green like there are more
  messages... Clicking on something else and back to that outbox and
  color gets right...
  
  A question is about hot-key filters... Since I started using them I
  get only that message that is in focus filtered even if there are
  much more messages that match filter (Option "Check the selected
  message against this rule" makes no difference)...

  Am I missing something?

  I'm back to TB! 1.51, but I think it was the same in 1.52 also...

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Re: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[ANT-ilic]

Hi Robert D.,

  On the Wednesday, May 16, 2001, U wrote:

RD> Hello -- I just got started with Bat. One of the things I'm trying to
RD> do is auto-forward spam to my ISP (they're asking for this).

RD> I can already filter it to a Spam-In folder. I made a template that
RD> puts the full-headers and the text (of spam) into body --and correctly
RD> addresses the email.

Than you've done half of the job...

RD> But I can not automate this. I see in the help section, that there are
RD> *Actions* available. One is called Auto-Reply.

RD> Well, on the *Action* tab of anything I see here, there is never any
RD> such choice.

You should try "Create a message for" and put the template you've
created in template for this option... It should do it...

RD> Can some one tell me what I am doing wrong?



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Re: TheBat features

[Lars Geiger]

Hi jsvrp.gw,
On Wed, 16 May 2001, at 19:38:03 +0200 you wrote:

jg> You can specify in the account properties, the maximum amount
jg> of kilobytes you want to download. eg I have set it to 2000
jg> kb. If there's a message larger than 2000 kb on the server,
jg> The Bat! only downloads the header with information about the
jg> size of the mail. With mail dispatch you can always download
jg> the file later.

No, unless that behaviour has been changed recently, you cannot
download the mail later. It will be deleted if you haven't set
your Bat! to keep messages on the server for some time (which I
don't and didn't when I learnt about this 'feature' :-( ).

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Re: TheBat features

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello jsvrp.gw!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 7:38:03 PM you wrote:

> With mail dispatch you can always download the file later.

The Mail Dispatcher may be his answer anyhow.

> This is already the case. When I double click on a URL in a message, it
> will open the link in a new browser window.

May depend on the browser. With Opera 5.11 it normally works with
double clicking, sometimes TB! hangs when double clicking a link, and
sometimes Opera/TB! split the URL every few letters and Opera wonders
why it can't connect to any of its "URL's" trying to open them
separately.

IE seems to need ++. Any funny behaviour for
NS/Mozilla?


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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

[David Elliott]

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On 16 May 2001 at 01:16:23 +0800 (which was 18:16 where I live) Thomas
emanated these words of wisdom

DV>>   The bug description:
DV>> When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it
DV>> again, you get an access violation error.

 Not confirmed.

DV>> Are you sure TB! is minimized? If it's opened and running in the
DV>> background (behind some other window), it doesn't work.

> You are right, I hadn't minimzed TB. I can now confirm the Access
> Violation.

As I crawl back under my stone I have to agree with you. I did _not_
minimise The Bat!

Now I have to say

Confirmed !


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Re[2]: Where'd my message indicator go?

[André Engelhardt]

Hello Silviu,

 On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 14:44:41GMT +0300 (which was 1:44:41 PM where I live) 
you wrote:

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SC> Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 1:12:43 PM, John Phillips wrote:

>> Personally I find it better - using 2 or more isp accounts, the other
>> way was real messy.  Only one would ever show on the screen AFAIK

SC> Right, I second that. The CC is way better, I did not like all
SC> those little windows popping up like crazy when
SC> sending/receiving mail.

I  use  10  accounts  with TB! and yeah I admit the new control center
does make it easier to read but it needs a re-design IMHO... Matter of
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Re: Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[Jason J Thompson]

Hello ANT-ilic and everyone else...

Ai>   I use manual filters with a hot-key...
Ai>   I've got a filter that puts messages from outbox into another
Ai>   outbox (on another account, of course)... Even if there are no
Ai>   messages left in outbox it remains green like there are more
Ai>   messages... Clicking on something else and back to that outbox and
Ai>   color gets right...

Confirmed. Folder tree view appears to not refresh on use of a manual
filter.


Ai>   A question is about hot-key filters... Since I started using them I
Ai>   get only that message that is in focus filtered even if there are
Ai>   much more messages that match filter (Option "Check the selected
Ai>   message against this rule" makes no difference)...

This is how it is supposed to work. If you want to filter all messages
in a folder, right-click the folder and select Re-filter Messages.


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The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello ,

  I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
  slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
  functionality.

  What could be removed:

  Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
  The network functionality
  The mail dispatcher
  Macros
  Submission forms
  Quick templates
  Message list colors

  This is just a list made up by me and I do not even know to what
  extent this would actually slim The Bat! down.

  I think The Bat! is the perfect mail client, but I would like it to
  be THE minimalist solution for the average user. When I started out
  using the bat it was at least 500k smaller than it is now. A "Lite"
  version could be a solution, at least for me! :)

  I know that The Bat! is among the smallest full featured clients
  around, but I still would like to see it shrink in the future rather
  than grow.

  All the "esoteric" functionality could still be made available in a
  "Pro" version for those that need it.

  This is not a complaint, it is just a wish for the perfect fast and
  small e-mail client! :)
  
  

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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[William Moore]

Hello Dierk,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 4:29:07 PM, you wrote:

DH> Simple explanation: -ise is British English; -ize American spelling.

It is not British English, it is English, full-stop (or
should that be, period?) ;-)

Sorry if it's off-topic.

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Re: TheBat features

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On Thu, 17 May 2001 01:48:33 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

jg>> You can specify in the account properties, the maximum amount of
jg>> kilobytes you want to download. eg I have set it to 2000 kb. If
jg>> there's a message larger than 2000 kb on the server, The Bat! only
jg>> downloads the header with information about the size of the mail.
jg>> With mail dispatch you can always download the file later.

T> Can you now? TB you set "Delete message from server" TB used to delete
T> the not-downloaded message as well. I'd prefer if TB downloaded the
T> first xxx KB (as set in the limit) and left the message on the server,
T> and put a little icon in the grey message header field, on which you
T> can click to download the complete message next time around, if you so
T> wish.

I think I had given you a work around for that.

Set TB! to delete messages from the server after one day.

Create a filter to move any message with Sender: The Bat! to the Inbox and
flag it or something so that you know that it's a large message
notification. Make this the first filter in your filter list.

Create another filter which is set to delete message from server under the
actions tab. Make the search string "e", the location "anywhere" and move
to the Inbox. Be sure to set the option "continue processing with other
filters. Now make this filter rule the second in your filter list.

In effect, TB! will now delete all messages from the server except the
large ones. You then have one day in which to scrutinize the header and
download these messages, if you like, using the dispatcher.

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Re: TheBat features

[William Moore]

Hello Catalin,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 6:19:05 PM, you wrote:

CO> It will be really nice to add a "Skip message" option in
CO> Connection Center - useful especially if I'm checking the email from
CO> home, and I don't want to download a huge email over my slow
CO> home-connection (and I don't have IMAP as well).


 Have a look at 'Popcorn' - www.ultrafunk.com
 It lets you look at mail on your server without
 downloading it and delete those you don't want.
 It's got a few other useful functions too but it won't
 replace TB!


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Re: TheBat features

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Hi William,

On 16 May 2001 at  21:01:00 +0100 (which was 21:01 where I  live)
William Moore wrote to Catalin Olteanu and made these points:

CO>> It will be really nice to add a "Skip message" option in
CO>> Connection Center - useful especially if I'm checking the email from
CO>> home, and I don't want to download a huge email over my slow
CO>> home-connection (and I don't have IMAP as well).

WM> Have a look at 'Popcorn' - www.ultrafunk.com It lets you look at
WM> mail on your server without downloading it and delete those you
WM> don't want.

So does TB - that's the *exact* function of TB's message dispatcher.

WM> It's got a few other useful functions too but it won't replace TB!

I can't dispute that! ;-).

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Jason J Thompson]

Hello Christian and everyone else...

CD>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>   functionality.

CD>   What could be removed:

CD>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
CD>   The network functionality
CD>   The mail dispatcher
CD>   Macros
CD>   Submission forms
CD>   Quick templates
CD>   Message list colors

Most of these are features which many users would consider to be basic
and essential features of The Bat, and make TB distinct from other
mailers.

If you want a truly gutted mailer without all these features, I
believe Bat is not the client for you. :-)

CD>   All the "esoteric" functionality could still be made available in a
CD>   "Pro" version for those that need it.

I do not believe that most TB users would consider the above list to
be "esoteric" features. :-)


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Re[2]: TheBat features

[William Moore]

Hello Marck,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 9:11:08 PM, you wrote:

MDP> So does TB - that's the *exact* function of TB's message dispatcher

Thank you, Marck - I've learned something new today.

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Christian Dysthe,
wrote on Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 14:31:46 (GMT -0500), 
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CD>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>   functionality.

CD>   What could be removed:

CD>   [...]
CD>   Macros
CD>   [...]

The Bat! without macros is no Bat! but a little grey mouse! I shudder
to think of the emasculated version you're suggesting.

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Sven Reichelt]

Hi Christian,

On Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2001 Christian Dysthe wrote:

>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
>   functionality.

>   What could be removed:

>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
>   The network functionality
>   The mail dispatcher
>   Macros
>   Submission forms
>   Quick templates
>   Message list colors

No way! :-)

One reason for purchasing The Bat! for me was PGP, another one
was: macros. And macros are getting more useful with quick
templates. About the other things: I haven't worked with them
yet, but hey, they don't disturb me.

>   This is just a list made up by me and I do not even know to what
>   extent this would actually slim The Bat! down.

Too much. It would be "just another simple Mailreader". I'm glad
TB! is more than that. Otherwise I wouldn't have purchased it.

>   I think The Bat! is the perfect mail client, but I would like it to
>   be THE minimalist solution for the average user. When I started out
>   using the bat it was at least 500k smaller than it is now. A "Lite"
>   version could be a solution, at least for me! :)

Why, harddrives are not expensive any more. And what is 500k?
When I start compacting the message base, I save several MB every
time.

>   I know that The Bat! is among the smallest full featured clients
>   around, but I still would like to see it shrink in the future rather
>   than grow.

Then why do you update? If you're missing nothing and you have no
bug annoying you, why not using an older version.

Maybe not every feature is being used by every user. But every
feature is useful for someone. It's hard to decide: Ok, this one
is pro, this one is lite.

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Re[2]: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[Robert D.]

Lars Geiger Suggested, in this reply:

-
> Why don't you use 'Forward To' on the action tab? Or am I getting
> you wrong?


-
 Well gee, when I look at any *Actions* Tab, I see
only the following:
 -Mark Message as read
 -Flag the message
 -Set Message priority to
 -Set Message Colour group
 -Park
 -Delete
 -Print

 Thus, I am at a loss to find any *option* that would reply or forward
and also allow the use of macros ...
 But remember, I am dumb right now. Just started this yesterday ...

Thanks for the reply,
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Re: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Wed, 16 May 2001 18:27:48 -0400, Robert contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

RD>  Well gee, when I look at any *Actions* Tab, I see
RD> only the following:
RD>  -Mark Message as read
RD>  -Flag the message
RD>  -Set Message priority to
RD>  -Set Message Colour group
RD>  -Park
RD>  -Delete
RD>  -Print

RD>  Thus, I am at a loss to find any *option* that would reply or forward
RD> and also allow the use of macros ...
RD>  But remember, I am dumb right now. Just started this yesterday ...

That actions section in the filter rule configuration panel has a scroll
bar to the right. Many don't see it. :-) If you scroll, you'll see that
there are many other filter actions available.

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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

[Urban]

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, Gerry Doyon wrote:

> Hello fellow Bat! users,

> I have a friend who needs to send me many e-mail messages that he
> received from someone else but does not want to forward all of them.
> He is using Eudora 5.0.

> If I attempt to use TB!'s import wizard it just wants you to point to
> the directory where Eudora resides.  What I would like to know is
> this:

> Can he send me just the Eudora folder files for me to be able to
> import it in to TB!?

According to More Eudora FAQs, with Answers
, Eudora mailbox files
are in the UNIX mailbox format so it should be possible to just remove
the .mbx extension and import them into TB as UNIX mailbox.


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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

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On May 16, 2001, at 10:43:32 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> Oh, okay. You can send mutliple in TB. I keep forgetting that we're
> using the best there is ;-).

Absolutely!! Without question!!  :o)


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Re: The Bat! Lite?

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Hello Christian,

 On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 14:31:46GMT -0500 (which was 9:31:46 PM where I live) 
you wrote:

CD> Hello ,

CD>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>   functionality.

CD>   What could be removed:

CD>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
CD>   The network functionality
CD>   The mail dispatcher
CD>   Macros
CD>   Submission forms
CD>   Quick templates
CD>   Message list colors

CD>   This is just a list made up by me and I do not even know to what
CD>   extent this would actually slim The Bat! down.

In  a  time where 30GB only cost about $150?
Where people carry around 250MB zips or similar around with 'em?
Where 2MB downloads take (on slow connections) maybe 5 minutes or so?

What sense would a smaller version make?
And why want to remove features? Just don't use them! :-)

Maybe I'm missing your point?

Actually  all  the stuff on your list is why I bought TB! after just 2
days of using the trial version...

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Thu, 17 May 2001 01:12:04 +0200, André wrote these comments:

CD>>   This is just a list made up by me and I do not even know to what
CD>>   extent this would actually slim The Bat! down.

AE> In a time where 30GB only cost about $150? Where people carry around
AE> 250MB zips or similar around with 'em? Where 2MB downloads take (on
AE> slow connections) maybe 5 minutes or so?

AE> What sense would a smaller version make? And why want to remove
AE> features? Just don't use them! :-)

AE> Maybe I'm missing your point?

Well, a less feature rich application means a less complex interface. Less
options to have to choose from. It's not as simple as simply not using
them.

Take the editor for instance. I love it while others don't. There are a
lot of options there that make it more flexible in ways that other
integrated e-mail editors are not. It's not unusual to see a member
writing for advice on how to make the editors select/overwrite
functionality or tab indentation work like the typical editor out there.
There's no doubt that options increase complexity. Right click on a
message and look at that menu. I'm used to it so I take it for granted.
Say you wish to make a little signature ... you have to delve into
templates.

AE> Actually all the stuff on your list is why I bought TB! after just 2
AE> days of using the trial version...

Quite. Though I fully understand and am sympathetic to the problems of the
user asking for a lite version, I'm not too much of a fan of a lite
version because there are other e-mail solutions out there that would fit
the needs of the user in need of a lite version. I'm not speaking about
Outlook (Express) either. It's really up to Ritlabs' and what their
intentions are with regards to where they wish to go. It would appear that
they are aiming at the userbase with high demands. The new connection
center and the other flavours of TB! available are some of the things that
support this assumption.

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Cricket]

Hello Jason,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 4:24:32 PM, you wrote:

JJT> Hello Christian and everyone else...

CD>>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>>   functionality.

CD>>   What could be removed:

CD>>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
CD>>   The network functionality
CD>>   The mail dispatcher
CD>>   Macros
CD>>   Submission forms
CD>>   Quick templates
CD>>   Message list colors

JJT> Most of these are features which many users would consider to be basic
JJT> and essential features of The Bat, and make TB distinct from other
JJT> mailers.

JJT> If you want a truly gutted mailer without all these features, I
JJT> believe Bat is not the client for you. :-)

CD>>   All the "esoteric" functionality could still be made available in a
CD>>   "Pro" version for those that need it.

JJT> I do not believe that most TB users would consider the above list to
JJT> be "esoteric" features. :-)


But as a selling point to get people to buy TB!, after a 30 day fully
functional evaluation period, the "Lite" version would become default
until a valid license is purchased.

I applaud Stefan and Max for producing and continually updating an
excellant product and believe they well deserved to be paid! By
causing the evaluation version to migrate to a Lite version the
customer will not loose their email, but they won't have access to the
enhancements eitheruntil a valid key is purchaced.

Cheers,
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Re[2]: The Bat! Lite?

[Viboon Chaojirapant]

Hi,

Yes, I agree with Cricket here. Having a Lite
version of The Bat for unregistered users will
bring in many more potential users. In fact, I
think the best time to do this would be when v2.0
of The Bat is released. v2.0 will be for the
registered users, while Bat Lite (based on v1.x code
base) can be used to promote The Bat to new users
either by free unlimited usage or charging a
minimal registration fees (like US$10?).

I live in Asia (Singapore) where many people find
US$35 to be too much to pay for an email client,
despite its features. Please remember that in many
Third World countries, the average income is far
lesser than those in the US or EU. FYI, US$35 is
equivalent to S$65, and you can eat at lease 16
meals (foodcourt) here with that amount of money.

Anyway, I think the original poster (Christian Dysthe)
didn't advocate having just one easy-to-use Bat
mailer, but rather have two versions of The Bat,
one Lite and one "normal" version.

Thanks.

> -Original message begins-
>
> From: Cricket [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:38 AM

> But as a selling point to get people to buy TB!, after a 30 day fully
> functional evaluation period, the "Lite" version would become default
> until a valid license is purchased.

> I applaud Stefan and Max for producing and continually updating an
> excellant product and believe they well deserved to be paid! By
> causing the evaluation version to migrate to a Lite version the
> customer will not loose their email, but they won't have access to the
> enhancements eitheruntil a valid key is purchaced.

> Cheers,
>  Cricket

>
> -Original message ends-

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Thomas]

Hi Sven,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 23:07:13 +0200GMT (17/05/2001, 05:07 +0800GMT),
Sven Reichelt wrote:

>>   What could be removed:

[...]
SR> No way! :-)

You missed the point. Christian was not suggesting to trash these
functions, but to make a Bat! Lite available for those users that do
not need them. Users like you (and me) who do use those functions, can
still use them without any changes.

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Thomas]

Hi André,

On Thu, 17 May 2001 01:12:04 +0200GMT (17/05/2001, 07:12 +0800GMT),
André Engelhardt wrote:


AE> In  a  time where 30GB only cost about $150?
AE> Where people carry around 250MB zips or similar around with 'em?
AE> Where 2MB downloads take (on slow connections) maybe 5 minutes or so?

Not over here. Don't forget, TB is not only sold in First-World
Countries.

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Thomas]

Hi Christian,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 14:31:46 -0500GMT (17/05/2001, 03:31 +0800GMT),
Christian Dysthe wrote:

CD>   What could be removed:

[...]

CD>   This is just a list made up by me and I do not even know to what
CD>   extent this would actually slim The Bat! down.

I would make a different list; I use PGP, and I do need the macros.
However, I have no use for submissions forms. Therefore, let me
develop your idea into this:

When I download IE or PGP or so, I will be asked which components I
want to install. So, for PGP for example, I chose not to install
PGPDisk; an IE without Java is basic, but I did choose to download the
Virutal Machine component.

Is it or is it not feasible to do something like that with TB?
(Certainly not in v1.xx, I know.)

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Re: TheBat features

[Thomas]

Hi Allie,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 14:49:19 -0500GMT (17/05/2001, 03:49 +0800GMT),
A Curtis Martin wrote:

T>> Can you now? TB you set "Delete message from server" TB used to delete
T>> the not-downloaded message as well.

ACM> I think I had given you a work around for that.

You did, but it's a workaround. I was just trying to make a point: one
Eudora feature I miss in TB.  ;-)

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Re[2]: Auto-Reply Help Needed

[Robert D.]

A Curtis Martin Suggested, in this reply:

-
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> That actions section in the filter rule configuration panel has a scroll
> bar to the right.
-
Hey gang, thanks much. How stupid I am!! Sure enough, there's that scroll bar. Now the 
filter works fine.


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Re[2]: TheBat features

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 10:13:43 PM, Thomas wrote:

ACM>> I think I had given you a work around for that.

> You did, but it's a workaround. I was just trying to make a point: one
> Eudora feature I miss in TB.  ;-)

Same here.  I have desktop at office, desktop at home and laptop which
follows me around.  I keep mail on the server for a few days so that I
have everything everywhere.  It's sure nice to delete spam from the
server once, instead of from three different computers.  It's the only
reason I still have Eudora on my desktops and only use TB! on my
notebook where I work the most and where being faster and more stable
matter most.

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Re: TheBat features

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 8:40:38 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

> I keep mail on the server for a few days so that I have everything
> everywhere.  It's sure nice to delete spam from the server once, instead
> of from three different computers.

I will go along with you there. I still have Eudora 5.1 loaded for testing
purposes, but I find the "Delete from Server" button I put on the Main
Toolbar to be a godsend of sorts. TB! would do well to emulate that
feature. :o)


Nick
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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Jason J Thompson]

Hello Christian and everyone else...

CD>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>   functionality.

CD>   What could be removed:


Perhaps, to satisfy all of us, v2 of TB should be plugin-based, so you
may enable or disable any major feature you wanted. :-)


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Re: SOT: PGP Problem

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 10:04:33 AM, Angel wrote:

> He said he "can't find where to get my public key to give to TLDNames"
> after telling me "damn server rejected my pgp email because my signature
> was not in thier database". He's using "PGP Freeware Network Associates
> ver. 6.5.8"

Angel, is "TLDNames" not a domain name service of some sort? If so, how
does that fit in with PGP and Public Keys? Do you, or your friend, want to
include a new domain name in a Public Key User ID?

> He did fix the problem..he was sending from the wrong address (duh
> LOL)...but, for future reference, could someone answer this cos there
> isn't really "up front" info on it?

I'd love to help, but to be honest with you I really don't understand the
problem. Is your friend trying to find your Public Key? If you have PGP
installed and have a Public Key, have you uploaded it to any of the Public
Key Servers, or are you talking about a privately held KeyServer?


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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Jason J Thompson]

Hello Cricket and everyone else...

C> But as a selling point to get people to buy TB!, after a 30 day fully
C> functional evaluation period, the "Lite" version would become default
C> until a valid license is purchased.

C> I applaud Stefan and Max for producing and continually updating an
C> excellant product and believe they well deserved to be paid! By
C> causing the evaluation version to migrate to a Lite version the
C> customer will not loose their email, but they won't have access to the
C> enhancements eitheruntil a valid key is purchaced.

Fully-functional shareware is far more popular. Why should someone
purchase software they can't fully test out first? Especially when it
comes to shareware like The Bat, where the draw to the program is not
in a fancy interface or other hype, but in raw, versatile
functionality.


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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas,

On  Thu, 17 May 2001 at 11:09:08 GMT +0800 (which was 17/05/2001 10:09
GMT  +0700  my  Local  Time) "Thomas"=[T] wrote to André Engelhardt on
TBUDL :

AE>> In  a  time where 30GB only cost about $150?
AE>> Where people carry around 250MB zips or similar around with 'em?
AE>> Where 2MB downloads take (on slow connections) maybe 5 minutes or so?

T> Not over here. Don't forget, TB is not only sold in First-World
T> Countries.

I support your quote and Viboon Chaojirapant's opinion.

Next question are :
What's  features  will  be default of The Bat! light, or in other word
what downgrade should be apply ?

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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

[Karin Spaink]

On 16-05-2001 at 17:12, Gerry Doyon kindly wrote:
> Hello Marck,


GD>>> Can he send me just the Eudora folder files for me to be able to
GD>>> import it in to TB!?

MDP>> Since TB wants to point to Eudora, not just the folders, maybe this
MDP>> won't work. That will need an e-Eudora user to answer in more detail.

Here's an ex-Eudora user. I imported all my old mail (circa
75.000 messages) into my TB folders. All you need to do is
ask your friend to send you the *.mbx file and import it as
Unix mailbox.

The only problem I have had was with old Eudora mails. Since
Eudora didin't put the message-id's into the sent messages,
you must *not* kill the duplicates in TB folders that
contain old mail sent via Eudora. Ah, and on occasion dates
wouold not import correctly.


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Re[2]: The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello Avenarius,

again, I am NOT suggesting removing it from the current version. I am
talking about adding a lite version.

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 3:39:16 PM, you wrote:

A> A Bat-fellow, Christian Dysthe,
A> wrote on Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 14:31:46 (GMT -0500), 
A> which was 21:31 in Bratislava --

CD>>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>>   functionality.

CD>>   What could be removed:

CD>>   [...]
CD>>   Macros
CD>>   [...]

A> The Bat! without macros is no Bat! but a little grey mouse! I shudder
A> to think of the emasculated version you're suggesting.



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Re[2]: The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello Sven,

i am NOT talking about removing the current version. I am just
suggesting a slimmer version in addition.

Slimming the code making The Bat! smaller would not be to save HD
space! :) Slimmer code often makes things faster and saves resources.
That is what I want: Performance, a GT model of The Bat! for those
that do not need a "luxury car".

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 4:07:13 PM, you wrote:

SR> Hi Christian,

SR> On Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2001 Christian Dysthe wrote:

>>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
>>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
>>   functionality.

>>   What could be removed:

>>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
>>   The network functionality
>>   The mail dispatcher
>>   Macros
>>   Submission forms
>>   Quick templates
>>   Message list colors

SR> No way! :-)

SR> One reason for purchasing The Bat! for me was PGP, another one
SR> was: macros. And macros are getting more useful with quick
SR> templates. About the other things: I haven't worked with them
SR> yet, but hey, they don't disturb me.

>>   This is just a list made up by me and I do not even know to what
>>   extent this would actually slim The Bat! down.

SR> Too much. It would be "just another simple Mailreader". I'm glad
SR> TB! is more than that. Otherwise I wouldn't have purchased it.

>>   I think The Bat! is the perfect mail client, but I would like it to
>>   be THE minimalist solution for the average user. When I started out
>>   using the bat it was at least 500k smaller than it is now. A "Lite"
>>   version could be a solution, at least for me! :)

SR> Why, harddrives are not expensive any more. And what is 500k?
SR> When I start compacting the message base, I save several MB every
SR> time.

>>   I know that The Bat! is among the smallest full featured clients
>>   around, but I still would like to see it shrink in the future rather
>>   than grow.

SR> Then why do you update? If you're missing nothing and you have no
SR> bug annoying you, why not using an older version.

SR> Maybe not every feature is being used by every user. But every
SR> feature is useful for someone. It's hard to decide: Ok, this one
SR> is pro, this one is lite.



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Re[2]: The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello Jason,

The Bat! would not be just another mail reader having these features
removed: It is small and fast and stable.

Remember that I am not talking about removing these features for the
ones needing them. I am talking about a slimmed down version.

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 3:24:32 PM, you wrote:

JJT> Hello Christian and everyone else...

CD>>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>>   functionality.

CD>>   What could be removed:

CD>>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME
CD>>   The network functionality
CD>>   The mail dispatcher
CD>>   Macros
CD>>   Submission forms
CD>>   Quick templates
CD>>   Message list colors

JJT> Most of these are features which many users would consider to be basic
JJT> and essential features of The Bat, and make TB distinct from other
JJT> mailers.

JJT> If you want a truly gutted mailer without all these features, I
JJT> believe Bat is not the client for you. :-)

CD>>   All the "esoteric" functionality could still be made available in a
CD>>   "Pro" version for those that need it.

JJT> I do not believe that most TB users would consider the above list to
JJT> be "esoteric" features. :-)




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Re[2]: TheBat features

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, May 17, 2001, Thomas wrote to A Curtis Martin on TBUDL about
TheBat features:

T> You  did, but it's a workaround. I was just trying to make a point:
T> one Eudora feature I miss in TB. ;-)

Eudora do cancel receiving message after transer start? How does it do
that if it is not possible within POP3?

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Re: Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, ANT-ilic wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...:

Ai> (Option  "Check  the  selected message against this rule" makes no
Ai> difference)...

This  option  sets  whether the filter logic will be checked or filter
action  will  be performed unconditionally to the selected message(s).
To re-filter folder with a hotkey filter try to select all messages in
a folder (do not forget to expand all threads).

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Re[2]: The Bat! Lite?

[John Rainer]

C> But as a selling point to get people to buy TB!, after a 30 day fully
C> functional evaluation period, the "Lite" version would become default
C> until a valid license is purchased.

C> I applaud Stefan and Max for producing and continually updating an
C> excellant product and believe they well deserved to be paid! By
C> causing the evaluation version to migrate to a Lite version the
C> customer will not loose their email, but they won't have access to the
C> enhancements eitheruntil a valid key is purchaced.

C> Cheers,
C>  Cricket

I think there might be a slight danger that the lite version will
satisfy too many persons' needs and take income away from the main
version(s). Take myself, for instance - I only became a Bat user
because I was fed up with Outlook Express pulling back html material
when online and insisting on dialling in when viewing html offline.
The dial-in demand could be disabled but at the expense of affecting
other functions and I wasn't happy with the security aspect of html
handling either.

I didn't want a client with embedded advertising/spyware but needed
good handling of multiple accounts and reasonably powerful filters.
The Bat fitted the bill fine but the networking features, pgp, macros
and templates are all redundant for me. In fact, I disable the mail
ticker, find the editor a pain and also wipe most of the account
default template settings. I'm not saying this is the way it should be
- just that I'm sure there is a section of the market where people's
needs are quite basic but they do not want to use OE or other html
clients.

One of the program's biggest plusses for me is the message dispatcher
- I had no idea it was there for a couple of months until I found it's
use being discussed on the mail list. As a feature, it is just
described in the Help file as 'Manage your mail on the pop server' -
what underselling for new users! An old hand or systems administrator
might recognise the implications of this description straight away but
a lot of people won't. It's an absolute godsend for deleting large
mails, unsolicited or otherwise, without having to download them or
apply a universal size block on a account that stops everything. Yes,
I could telnet into my account but that's obscure for most people and
this feature makes it so much easier. I know people who on being sent
an unsolicited 5mb attachment will just moan about their phone bill
and sit there while it downloads!

My thoughts would be to stick to the current arrangement but to bear
in mind the Bat customer base are a pretty varied lot and easy to use
configuration of features is probably, IMHO, a better option than
producing a lite version.

John Rainer

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