Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Andrew! On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 6:23:35 AM you wrote: See you back here when you figure out that Becky is not all that The Bat! is. I have tried many email clients, but nothing has ever topped The Bat! I haven't ever used Becky, so won't say anything on that point. But, maybe it caters his needs. If he needs only what Becky can offer, well, why should he use any other mailer. Actually I only wanted to ask one question: Why on earth do we talk with someone who isn't here anymore? And left with flimsy argumentation? To cite Herman's Hermits: Let bygones be bygones ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If all the world's economists were stretched end to end, they still would not reach a conclusion. (George Bernard Shaw) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO48f2fTo1oA8g8dLEQK9QgCfaEaYngE0Uy/A3ZifqfnQk8/dl40An3DI wIUy6rQXrCzcPVWfxENiim/Q =CX+T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hey Dierk, My point was, and I think is still valid for others on this list, that The Bat! shouldn't be assessed on the weight of its BETA releases. I was in no way having a dig at Becky, I was merely pointing out that I see testing Beta software almost as a privilege that an individual can either take or leave, bug slagging The Bat! based on its beta code is unfair. Andrew. Friday, August 31, 2001, 4:25:44 PM, you wrote: DH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- DH Hash: SHA1 DH Hello Andrew! DH On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 6:23:35 AM you wrote: See you back here when you figure out that Becky is not all that The Bat! is. I have tried many email clients, but nothing has ever topped The Bat! DH I haven't ever used Becky, so won't say anything on that point. But, DH maybe it caters his needs. If he needs only what Becky can offer, DH well, why should he use any other mailer. DH Actually I only wanted to ask one question: Why on earth do we talk DH with someone who isn't here anymore? And left with flimsy DH argumentation? DH To cite Herman's Hermits: Let bygones be bygones ... DH - -- DH Dierk Haasis DH http://www.Write4U.de DH PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys DH The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C DH If all the world's economists were stretched end to end, they still DH would not reach a conclusion. (George Bernard Shaw) DH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- DH Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt DH Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! DH iQA/AwUBO48f2fTo1oA8g8dLEQK9QgCfaEaYngE0Uy/A3ZifqfnQk8/dl40An3DI DH wIUy6rQXrCzcPVWfxENiim/Q DH =CX+T DH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello Thomas, Mitteilung vom Freitag, 31. August 2001, 06:03:39: ... TF Thanks for your crossposting without sensible contents, and for your TF lack of interest to discuss (and BTW this is a mailing list, not a TF newsgroup). Good riddance. Sorry, I disagree that there is no sensible content in Alexander's mail. He decided to skip to another mailer due to some features he prefers in Becky. So, it could be interesting to the developers what makes users feel uncomfortable with TB and enhance their product. After all they can discard these ideas or see that they already knew that but nevertheless they shouldn't ignore users wishes. Concretely there are two points Alexander thinks Becky is superior to TB: 1. Filters 2. Reminders I myself don't think that TB's filters are poor but who knows, maybe we can learn from Becky (or other mailers). And as to reminders they are on the TB's wishlist for a long, long time ... and I miss them a lot! (Maybe, me too will abandon TB very soon for the lack of reminders if I can't reasonably emulate them with a script and a scheduler. I hope I have not to change for I appreciate TB a lot). And after a quick look into Becky I like the idea to edit the mail on the fly in an extern editor. After all, I think that there was sense in Alexander's mail and I wish the developers read carefully how their customers feel! -- Regards, Bernhard Kohl -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello Andrew, Friday, August 31, 2001, 8:43:50 AM, Andrew Ferguson wrote: bug slagging The Bat! based on its beta code is unfair. But why this major bugs are not solved? How long we will wait for working auto-mailbox checking, multi-user working on multi-user windows. Mainly, nothing changed to good in TB! from half year. Rather to worse. Last time I've posted a bug report about TB! and WindowBlinds to TheBatTech mailing list. This mail never appeared on this. Is there a moderator who remove hard to answer mails??? I always say to my friends that TB! is the best client. But last time I'm afraid I'm not sure for this, now. Now TB! looks like hi-end regular expressions engine. But lost the way for exact mailer client. Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Attachments
Hello Marck, On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 7:25:19 PM you wrote (at least in part): MDP ... except that Raj has already said that the .att attachments are MDP /real/ files which are seen perfectly by OE and MSE clients ... I believe that lays in the nature of both being MS products and producing this files themself :-) IIRC this both are also the only two that recognize 'application/ms-tnef' native which is in most cases the mime type of '.att' files (and was therefore the reason for developing fentun :-) ) MDP hence my fentun suggestion. I've downloaded it (just for fun, not I really care 'bout this files *g*) and it simply does not work for me :-( As I read it expects a path to a TNEF-encoded file but i can't even get an error message :-( so I can't recommend it as I was not able to test, but if Marck says That's it!!! I believe everybody with this problem should give it a try for him/herself :-) Ciao Pit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/7 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: ZoneAlarm TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Allie On 31 August 2001 at 19:17:10 -0500 (which was 01:17 where I live) Allie C Martin wrote ACM Your experience is identical to mine. I now use either Tiny Personal ACM Firewall or BlackICE which both work just fine in Win2k. Go to http://grc.com and try out 'Shields UP' if you want to find out how good BlackICE is read http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm. (They might have fixed it by now) - -- HAND, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53n/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | NOW SHOWING: Disney's The Lyin' King starring Bill Clinton. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO49N6fmK8eZlD0U0EQLtIwCfWU5IBQczZOYAKTSddW9xaswQo1sAoN4G LO/w+uNmbVBsP2Hu9Jjhv27u =ndXo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: SMTP server - setting up
Hello Raj, Friday, August 31, 2001, 4:14:04 AM, you wrote: R Personally I use the ADR (www.mailutilities.com) They have link from the RIT R Labs site. R Its been working fine. I too have multiple ISP's (cannot depend on R one). Plus the R deliveries are fast. R Ah, I forgot to mention, this is not free though. IMHO worth paying for it R though. worth knowing about though :) If you pay for it does it make it look like the smtp server is smtp.mydomain.com ? -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: replies to me in lists
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:22:50 AM, you wrote: MDP It's simpler than that. Just filter for presence 'Yes' of the string MDP '\[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (without quotes) in 'kludges' and turn on the MDP regular expression option for that filter. That's what I use and it's MDP never got one wrong yet! MDP Of course, if someone replies with a non-threading client, then it MDP fails. what does the '/d' do? I already have a filter which moves mails sent to me to a 'personal' box. What I need to identify is mails that reply to me. Andrew -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello Andrew, I've always seen myself as a bit of a champion for TB! I've used it for about 3 years and it's always done the job for me. I've used it to create solutions in business as well as personal environs. But that said it's generally wise not to ignore other options so after this mail I went and got becky to see what he's fussing about. I can't really see what's so special about it. Perhaps it uses less memory and perhaps it's faster at searching mail boxes (couldn't really check either). But that if true comes at the price of less power and flexibility. [It's got a nice default mail arrival noise (how can we get that? note for Ritlabs we need several sounds for mail arrival - different filters - anyone got some good ones perhaps that's another mail.) ] Becky struck me as a rather simple mail client and i guess if that's what you need fine, for me though TB! just has so much more to offer. Andrew -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZoneAlarm TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Timothy On 31 August 2001 at 07:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (which was 15:18 where I live) Timothy J. Luoma wrote and made these points TJL ZoneAlarm does not want to let TheBat access the Internet, especially TJL for *sending* email, even though it is listed in the list of Programs TJL in ZoneAlarm that are allowed Internet access. TJL Is anyone else having this problem? I did once but it was also stopping MSSQL and my IIS5 dead in it's trackes. Solution (that worked for me). In the configuration take off the load ZA at start and then put it into your 'start up' folder - -- Good Bye, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | Without fingers you cannot even thumb your nose.| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO49O+/mK8eZlD0U0EQIUggCfbxWLgZ3kLcf1P4HJIuW+t06WzkcAnRQC 61+VnzOIId3D7uHrJGsvnERw =HCos -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: replies to me in lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck On 31 August 2001 at 01:22:50 +0100 (which was 01:22 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone emanated these words of wisdom MDP Wishlist: clairvoyant features - DWIM switch on filters (Do What I MDP Meant). Where have I seen that before ! :-) To be fully clairvoyant don't you want a DWIT switch (Do What I Think) to allow for PLEBSAK (Problem lightly exists between seat and keyboard - -- Thanks, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53n/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Sanitary belt - a drink from a clean glass. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO49Qt/mK8eZlD0U0EQK+FgCfUsGvAZzONfK4qTWnAgG7CHYnFX4An2/w GHjfd2qjDiZgkw1SvQk5O4tX =1U4k -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: SMTP server - setting up
Andrew, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, at 09:25:47 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:55 PM where I live) you wrote: a worth knowing about though :) If you pay for it does it make it look a like the smtp server is smtp.mydomain.com ? I have not tried or used mydomain.com and hence cannot comment on the same. Maybe other users could do so. Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Replied on Friday, August 31, 2001 using TB Ver 1.54 Beta/4 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: replies to me in lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Salutation Marck On 31 August 2001 at 01:22:50 +0100 (which was 01:22 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone graced us with these comments MDP It's simpler than that. Just filter for presence 'Yes' of the string MDP '\[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (without quotes) in 'kludges' and turn on the MDP regular expression option for that filter. That's what I use and it's MDP never got one wrong yet! MDP Of course, if someone replies with a non-threading client, then it MDP fails. For give me if I am wrong but this will catch all instances of @mydomain.net in the 'kludge' even if the letter is not a reply but one sent to you. - -- Cheers, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53n/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Yes I know... I've already used Alt A to steal this tagline | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO49VSPmK8eZlD0U0EQJOtACfTO0tKFv5E/jnihWwN5n5EVtI8YMAoJCd 8LyrnxHQCk6UrFyFNfQpJsm8 =Z2px -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Michal, On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 10:32:05 +0200, Michal Kozusznik [MK] wrote concerning 'Bye Bye The Bat Say Hi to Becky!': MK But why this major bugs are not solved? What major bugs are you referring too? I don't encounter any major bugs in the latest beta. As soon as someone reports a bug for instance in the new HTML engine, the bug gets fixed in the new beta. So I don't see your point. Please correct me if I'm wrong. - -- Best regards, David ** VirusScan: MS Windows found. Delete? (Y/y) ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/7] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBO49OPlK9yf5+yp9NEQJwyQCglFiNdEo2mYWGq9BTDqH3tlomP+sAoOmC ZsbALVapqD/LNpe/fAGeJ4K9 =10aN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 10:32:05 +0200 (which was 09:32 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: bug slagging The Bat! based on its beta code is unfair. MK But why this major bugs are not solved? How long we will wait for MK working auto-mailbox checking, multi-user working on multi-user MK windows. Mainly, nothing changed to good in TB! from half year. Rather MK to worse. The development team is small and have pressures from many different directions. Most feature requests have been implemented after a while. Maybe your requests haven't reached the top of the pile or haven't enough support from other users. That doesn't stop TB from being *the* most advanced, capable and fast email client around for Win32 IMHO. MK Last time I've posted a bug report about TB! and WindowBlinds to MK TheBatTech mailing list. This mail never appeared on this. Is there a MK moderator who remove hard to answer mails??? moderator No. We post-moderate - i.e. we tell people off after posting outside of the rules. /moderator MK I always say to my friends that TB! is the best client. But last time MK I'm afraid I'm not sure for this, now. Now TB! looks like hi-end MK regular expressions engine. But lost the way for exact mailer client. I couldn't disagree more. Maybe a couple of the wishes you have haven't been fulfilled, but I think TB is still the best there is without them. And it's being continually improved. I can stick it in front of a novice and they say Hey, that's so much easier than OE. And yet there's macros, templates, quick templates, mass mailing, multi-account, multi-user, a *very* comprehensive filtering system (I don't know why Alexander thinks it to be lacking, but that's his prerogative) and regular expressions. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j10HOeQkq5KdzaARAu1WAJ9rN10URXaWvwHVuvyGcG+UcHGMhACgrkUN KJkak1je+iyg42DzZp1cVxY= =ULAm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: replies to me in lists
Hi David, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:13:43 +0100GMT (31/08/01, 17:13 +0800GMT), David Elliott wrote: MDP '\[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (without quotes) in 'kludges' and turn on the MDP regular expression option for that filter. That's what I use and it's MDP never got one wrong yet! DE For give me if I am wrong but this will catch all instances of @mydomain.net DE in the 'kludge' even if the letter is not a reply but one sent to you. No, in RegEx \d means any digit. So this will catch only if mydomain.com is preceded by digits, which will be the case in the References/In-Reply-To headers, not in to/from addresses. Unless, of course, your own email address uses only digits as user name. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53o under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello David, Friday, August 31, 2001, 11:43:39 AM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: What major bugs are you referring too? I just wrote about. HTML interpreter is not important for me. But multi-user mode working correctly on multi-user Win98 machines is. Some time ago i was be able to push my boss to buy TB! for a lot of comps. This bug caused this transaction was not realized. TB! still badly works with CSAPI '97. This bug is known as well but the guilt is pushed to CSAPI. Don't know. Maybe that CSAPI is bugged but other progs work with it without problems. I can't ask my boss for buying Office2000 for TB! compatibility. TB! now is unable to check mailboxes in defined time period. It was referred on this mailing list by some people - without any response! Is it not enough? These problems occurred really long time ago. Why these are not solved yet? Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 11:46:46 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Maybe a couple of the wishes you have haven't been fulfilled, but I think TB is still the best there is without them. Yes. I think TB! is the best. But It has some bugs often apears working with it. I have no wishes for new features or other stars from the sky. I wan't my favourite mail client be without screw my minds errors. (Like autochecking mail - now I've wrote about in 3 or 4 mails this day ;-) Do you accepting this bug in daily work? Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Michal, On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 11:56:56 +0200, Michal Kozusznik [MK] wrote concerning 'Bye Bye The Bat Say Hi to Becky!': What major bugs are you referring too? MK HTML interpreter is not important for me. For me neither. MK But multi-user mode working correctly on multi-user Win98 machines MK is. I don't have much experience with multi-user running TB! but what exactly isn't working? MK TB! still badly works with CSAPI '97. What is CSAPI '97? MK TB! now is unable to check mailboxes in defined time period. It MK was referred on this mailing list by some people - without any MK response! Maybe because it couldn't be reproduced? I don't know but it's working for me. It checks my mailboxes every two minutes without problems. MK Is it not enough? These problems occurred really long time ago. MK Why these are not solved yet? Don't know. Maybe a low priority? - -- Best regards, David ** This Virus requires Microsoft Windows. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/7] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBO49VUlK9yf5+yp9NEQJMIwCg2bCyq17byYgC0tjqpFsDDEN9jlAAoK8v fPMbTmYesM6rCYA6CzxJUcLq =/V54 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Existing bugs (was: Bye Bye)
Hi Michal, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:56:56 +0200GMT (31/08/01, 17:56 +0800GMT), Michal Kozusznik wrote: MK I just wrote about. HTML interpreter is not important for me. But MK multi-user mode working correctly on multi-user Win98 machines is. MK Some time ago i was be able to push my boss to buy TB! for a lot of MK comps. This bug caused this transaction was not realized. I cannot comment on this as I use stand-alone version. I am not aware of a bug in the multi-user environment; maybe this came up during my vacation? (You can forward me your original bug-report off-list, so we don't bore the list with repetitions.) MK TB! still badly works with CSAPI '97. This bug is known as well but MK the guilt is pushed to CSAPI. Don't know. Maybe that CSAPI is bugged MK but other progs work with it without problems. I can't ask my boss for MK buying Office2000 for TB! compatibility. I don't have this problem. CSAPI spell-checks fine. What exactly happens (or not) on your side? MK TB! now is unable to check mailboxes in defined time period. It was MK referred on this mailing list by some people - without any response! TB mail-checks fine over here; both in the office and at home. MK Is it not enough? These problems occurred really long time ago. Why MK these are not solved yet? The only one of the three bugs you mention I am aware of is that some users complained that suddenly TB stopped checking mail periodically. Even though it had worked earlier. Very strange. However, we could not gather enough evidence to guess what the reason might be. I am sure Rit would fix immediately if they had an angle. Can you put your finger on it? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53o under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs (was: Bye Bye)
Hello Thomas, Friday, August 31, 2001, 12:18:15 PM, Thomas F wrote: I cannot comment on this as I use stand-alone version. I am not aware of a bug in the multi-user environment; maybe this came up during my vacation? (You can forward me your original bug-report off-list, so we don't bore the list with repetitions.) Problem is when the windows is in multiuser mode and specially when multi-user TB! uses groups. Until each user uses one server/acccount, the account can be read under every windows login, Just by log in the the account. But when users use a few accounts, grouped in groups it stops working. Trying to log into groups from different windows account than TB! is installed cause no effect. Login window is not disappeared and TB! is not loaded. Strange is, when I try to log in Administrator account from such win-account TB! says there is no such account. I've submited this bug a half year ago. I get response: TB! gives multiuser env but it is not windows multiuser oriented. It's not enough for me. I don't have this problem. CSAPI spell-checks fine. What exactly happens (or not) on your side? CSAPI works fine only when the mail editor is used 1st time after TB! ran. Next time the CSAPI otpions are disabled. If I need to use it again I have to quit TB! and run it again. Problem is known and reproducible. But it happens only with CSAPI from Office 97. With Office2000 works correctly. The only one of the three bugs you mention I am aware of is that some users complained that suddenly TB stopped checking mail periodically. Even though it had worked earlier. Very strange. I think so. However, we could not gather enough evidence to guess what the reason might be. I am sure Rit would fix immediately if they had an angle. Can you put your finger on it? What I have to do? Is not enough to write on this mailing list? Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: replies to me in lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi andrew, On 31 August 2001 at 09:21:28 +0100 (which was 09:21 where I live) andrew wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: a what does the '/d' do? That's '\' not '/'. As Thomas said, it catches any decimals followed by '@mydomain.net' a I already have a filter which moves mails sent to me to a a 'personal' box. What I need to identify is mails that reply to me. Exactly. The format of a Reply to you is that is either has an In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or it has References: .., , [EMAIL PROTECTED], . The filter I described catches both. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j2zyOeQkq5KdzaARAgL2AKDRYqCOXlvS6d+8q9ItXVakh5NxqwCgiZ3x kq8sFcez/KgyUhralvFYMik= =4ROf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello David, Friday, August 31, 2001, 12:13:50 PM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: I don't have much experience with multi-user running TB! but what exactly isn't working? Explained in other post I just have written What is CSAPI '97? I used the short: CSAPI installed with M$ Office97 Maybe because it couldn't be reproduced? I don't know but it's working for me. It checks my mailboxes every two minutes without problems. Maybe not reproduced but reported by some persons. Don't know. Maybe a low priority? Sorry. So don't be disappointed when some peoples leaves TB! for another mailer Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 31 August 2001 at 18:18:15 +0800 (which was 11:18 where I live) Thomas F wrote to Michal Kozusznik on TBUDL and made these points: MK ... But multi-user mode working correctly on multi-user Win98 MK machines is. Some time ago i was be able to push my boss to MK buy TB! for a lot of comps. This bug caused this transaction was MK not realized. TF I cannot comment on this as I use stand-alone version. I am not TF aware of a bug in the multi-user environment; That's because Michal is not describing a bug but a missing feature. TB's multi-user support is usually achieved by logging into TB itself with a user name and password. It takes no notice of the current Windows user identity. Having said that, TB does use HKCU to store all registry data. By using multiple mail base folders and configuring separately for different windows users, it would work perfectly. I don't understand why Michal is calling it a bug. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j245OeQkq5KdzaARAp8TAKCdhRPJQQEhwpgEzUZvpB1K1TB4wQCgrIvz uYzcPSVJbO6Uu0URIlYwzCU= =djcR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 12:05:13 +0200 (which was 11:05 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: MK Yes. I think TB! is the best. But It has some bugs often MK apears working with it. I have no wishes for new features or other MK stars from the sky. I wan't my favourite mail client be without MK screw my minds errors. (Like autochecking mail - now I've wrote MK about in 3 or 4 mails this day ;-) Do you accepting this bug in MK daily work? No I wouldn't. If I experience such a problem I would make sure I supplied enough evidence and information about how to reproduce the problem so that the programmers working on it could fix it. You have mentioned this problem before but, until you have provided enough information to allow the problem to be reproduced there's no way on earth that it *can* be fixed. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j27XOeQkq5KdzaARAlGXAJ4yDUfXLLrC4rwQ+jz6waaOKVu6IACfTdt5 obpod5NH4gp+ZgkvY9dda4o= =UQ0n -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 12:47:07 +0200 (which was 11:47 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: However, we could not gather enough evidence to guess what the reason might be. I am sure Rit would fix immediately if they had an angle. Can you put your finger on it? MK What I have to do? Is not enough to write on this mailing list? No, it's not. RIT do not read TBUDL. They read TBBETA and their own bug report submissions. TBUDL is for peer-to-peer support in a get you going sort of way. If you use Help / Feedback / Submit a bug report you will see clearly marked out areas for telling RIT how to make the error happen. Unless you can fill these in in such a way that the bug can be reproduced there is no chance of the problem being cured. I know from the previous discussions that it was not a bug people could get to happen easily. You have to be willing to dig deeper if you want to see it improved. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j3CLOeQkq5KdzaARAm+aAJ9Om66EahFkk+7RN9K5s3SVEnZZdACg6kCT xsqqnW4mwn2edUnqpjDiMMI= =nQQI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:00:08 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I don't understand why Michal is calling it a bug. I don't want that TB! uses windows account for personalize users. I want TB1 works using its accounts under different windows login. i.e. We have Windows98 There is a few win accounts defined: user1, user2, user3. Under TB! the user accounts are created to. TB! is installed under user1 And I want that TB! works on every accounts gives possibility to use it by all users. Now it's impossible because TB! with multiuser/groups works good only under windows account where TB! was installed (in this example under user1) Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:02:46 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: You have mentioned this problem before but, until you have provided enough information to allow the problem to be reproduced there's no way on earth that it *can* be fixed. I agree with you. I know how programers work. And I try to give him full report as possible. And I did this. But without any result. Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:05:13 +0200, you thoughtfully wrote the following: ... MK Yes. I think TB! is the best. But It has some bugs often MK apears working with it. I have no wishes for new features or other MK stars from the sky. I wan't my favourite mail client be without MK screw my minds errors. (Like autochecking mail - now I've wrote MK about in 3 or 4 mails this day ;-) Do you accepting this bug in MK daily work? This is a curious problem which I've never had, even when I have each account setup to retrieve mail at different intervals. I have a feeling that the developers are very likely having a problem with reproducing the buggy behaviour and they will have a dickens of a time trying to fix a problem they can't reproduce. It could very well be an application interaction underway and this is why it only affects some systems. PS// as to WindowBlinds. Because of how that application works, it may very well not work well with many applications and this is why it comes with an exclusion list. If TB! isn't working with WindowBlinds, add it to your WB exclusion list. It's now up to the WindowBlinds developers to fix this. - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuPdTEACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IcjgCg3krE1Nbgq9utG2Dc/1sklucO IfkAoPU0anmqDfrfevmUu5WOoDNKp9m8 =/VFa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 13:15:34 +0200 (which was 12:15 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: I don't understand why Michal is calling it a bug. MK I don't want that TB! uses windows account for personalize users. I MK want TB1 works using its accounts under different windows login. Exactly! That's not a bug. That's a missing feature or a don't like the way it does it issue. MK i.e. MK We have Windows98 MK There is a few win accounts defined: user1, user2, user3. MK Under TB! the user accounts are created to. MK TB! is installed under user1 MK And I want that TB! works on every accounts gives possibility to use it MK by all users. Now it's impossible because TB! with multiuser/groups MK works good only under windows account where TB! was installed (in this MK example under user1) I've explained in another message how to make this work using separate mail base directories for each user. The system is still only as secure as the OS, and Win9x won't prevent users from looking at each others mail folders if they are determined. The cure for that would be the use of Win2k or NT and securing the folders with access permissions. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j3aNOeQkq5KdzaARAlS+AJwK5nNK9xAxHVBoXERUq32nHYzDdQCgz1Xy MzBxTact44BykuqbRjKR08w= =MtLh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: replies to me in lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Thomas On 31 August 2001 at 17:52:38 +0800 (which was 10:52 where I live) Thomas F wrote DE For give me if I am wrong TF No, I am wrong :-( - -- Cheers, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53n/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | My other computer had a VAXextomy, now it's a UNIX. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO493DfmK8eZlD0U0EQLjxQCeNSzt/6Bg06nL8IsgXrkiZ5M2/7IAoLRS SOxfSAY5+MfpgD5opazNhWIt =tFsn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZoneAlarm TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:42:17 +0100, you graced us with these comments: ... ACM Your experience is identical to mine. I now use either Tiny ACM Personal Firewall or BlackICE which both work just fine in Win2k. DE Go to http://grc.com and try out 'Shields UP' if you want to find out how DE good BlackICE is read http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm. DE (They might have fixed it by now) I posted the response to TBOT which is where I think this thread should continue at this stage. It has had enough air time on list. Please confine any further posts in this thread to ones which directly involve TB!. Thanks. - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuPdycACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KuiACeOyVBrj09suNWdT6DyteXr/yY rL0AoPtcsuLn3DN7YD8N0mFUsqpP78Z3 =zDfv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
On Friday, August 31, 2001, 13:02:46, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: No I wouldn't. If I experience such a problem I would make sure I supplied enough evidence and information about how to reproduce the problem so that the programmers working on it could fix it. That seems to be the problem. I have the same problem here but haven't got the slightest clue as to what makes it happen. I had it for quite a while when I installed 1.53o, which made it work again. Then after about 10 days it quit functioning again. I have _no_ idea why. Regards, Roman -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZoneAlarm TheBat
Hello Timothy, Friday, August 31, 2001, 4:18:23 PM, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: Because of how that application works, it may very well not work well with many applications and this is why it comes with an exclusion list. If TB! isn't working with WindowBlinds, add it to your WB exclusion list. It's now up to the WindowBlinds developers to fix this. I know how WindowBlinds works well. I know its features. But TB! problem looks like can be solved by TB! programers. I think there is some repaint method missed after drawing splash and main window of TB!. Winth WB, TheBat will not hide the splash and draw whole window until user click on that window. Maybe it's fault of WB programmers - maybe not. But why can't try? Unfortunately my mail about it never apear on the mailing list. Lost in the INET space Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:35:41 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I've explained in another message how to make this work using separate mail base directories for each user. And it will work under W98? And will be possible to switch beetwen users on each Windows account? How can I get it working? Could you send me the solution? The cure for that would be the use of Win2k or NT and securing the folders with access permissions. Hehe. Great. Looks like W2k is the solution for every TB! problem (CSAPI, multiuser). I have no permission to change OS in my whole firm. Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roman, On 31 August 2001 at 14:01:47 +0200 (which was 13:01 where I live) Roman wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: R Then after about 10 days it quit functioning again. I have _no_ R idea why. Is there anything in the account log? Do you have access to the server logs to see if the server can shed some light? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j4DWOeQkq5KdzaARAhJTAJ97wafNpOotFAtacf6Drofg90wI5gCgo5SG BHAv7rtPh7Fc5NVmAKG89fk= =uB4H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sound choice?
Hello tbudl, This occurred to me one of my mails earlier today. Does anyone have any good mail arrival sounds? I'd like to use a different sound for different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? I've borrowed the AOL 'you've got mail' for the moment but could do with a couple of others. thanks -- Best regards, andrew mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: SMTP server - setting up
Hello Raj, Friday, August 31, 2001, 10:13:37 AM, you wrote: R On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, at 09:25:47 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:55 PM where I live) you R wrote: a worth knowing about though :) If you pay for it does it make it look a like the smtp server is smtp.mydomain.com ? R I have not tried or used mydomain.com and hence cannot comment on the same. Maybe other R users could do so. hehe :)) sorry raj I'm just using mydomain.com as an example it could be anydomain.com or anything_else.com if you see what I mean. I just ideally would like 'my domain' to appear as the smtp server address - if it's a piad for service this might be possible? do you know? thanks -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 14:02:16 +0200 (which was 13:02 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: I've explained in another message how to make this work using separate mail base directories for each user. MK And it will work under W98? And will be possible to switch MK beetwen users on each Windows account? How can I get it MK working? Could you send me the solution? The primary method, and one I use here, is to have separate users (no groups), each of whom has their own account and log in to TB. Dean has just written to me off-list pointing out how you can create a shortcut to launch TB for a specific user and to focus their account requiring only their own password to open it. The secondary (and more secure) method is to install a copy (and it can be the same copy to the same folder taking no extra space on disk) under each windows user account. This will add a registry entry for each user. Each one can then be configured to have its mail-base in the user's home directory instead of in the default location. Voila! Separate users, separate mail-bases - secure. This setup is more difficult to maintain though, but everything has a price. The cure for that would be the use of Win2k or NT and securing the folders with access permissions. MK Hehe. Great. Looks like W2k is the solution for every TB! MK problem (CSAPI, multiuser). You have alluded to security problems. These are not TB's fault but those of the OS ISFA under Win9x anyone can access any files except where third party tools like PGP disk are used. MK I have no permission to change OS in my whole firm. I thought your boss was concerned about security issues? That's a contradiction g. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j4KmOeQkq5KdzaARAuiKAKDe+9Zb4ngDfOos8prU38JLvZgmgQCg/qYB wk3cG+/nrFKMs7uitxwRnHY= =x+s5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
combining two POPs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello, is it possible to (temporary) combine two POP3 accounts into one thebat! account? i've got two places to pick up mail from (i can't forward one to the other, difficult provider problems), but i don't want to bother with two thebat! accounts, since i'm used to use only one. what i've done now is create a second account and a filter which moves the new messages to the other account there: BeginFilter Name: New rule Active: 1 Source: \\mrten-dop\Inbox Target: \\Mrten\Inbox CopyFolder: \\\none MainSet: 01fyhrtyetydrtydrtyndtry Actions: faoContinueProcessing [snipped some for brevity] EndFilter however, this leaves the messages unfiltered in the first inbox! is there a way to activate the filters there besides clicking refilter messages all the time? tnx, Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO41URcxmXGfKa+lHEQIO+gCfWDyqipONcIKfAumaZvzxLaQpmf8AoJI7 cwrBt9zw3tn0uTi4/Xny+A+l =/QJu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZoneAlarm TheBat
Hello Michal, *damn* ... I'm quite sure there went some References wrong ... or did you in fact reply to Timothys mail with the quotation of what Allie wrote in his mail with Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED]??? -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/7 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) LSD melts in your mind, not in your hands. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: ZoneAlarm TheBat
Hello Michal, Friday, August 31, 2001, 12:56:49 PM, you wrote: MK Hello Timothy, MK Friday, August 31, 2001, 4:18:23 PM, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: MK I know how WindowBlinds works well. I know its features. But TB! MK problem looks like can be solved by TB! programers. I think there is MK some repaint method missed after drawing splash and main window of MK TB!. Winth WB, TheBat will not hide the splash and draw whole window MK until user click on that window. I'm way out of my depth here but... you do know you can edit the shortcut in windows so that TB splash screen doesn't appear at all. I think and I could be wrong you add '\nologo' (I'm sure someone will reply to confirm) to the exec line. Looking at what you're saying perhaps by launching without it it might solve your problem? -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello The Bat! developers TBUDL, i'm cc'ing this to tbudl as it seems quite relevant to the thread 'bye bye bat' currently at hand; I'm using The Bat! Version 1.53o Serial Number 03240C1C under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 and would like to report a bug The bug description: sometimes, quite at random, thebat! seems to forget a few settings i have made in 'account properties'. under transport: '8 bits char treatment' resets itself to 'base64'; under mail management: 'leave mail on server' doesn't change, however 'keep mail on server for x days' resets to off, and 'delete messages when removed from trash' resets to off as well; under options': 'check mailbox at startup' resets to off, 'periodical check' resets to off, 'mark message as read after displaying for x sec' resets to off, 'enable S/MIME' sets itself to on, and 'sign messages' resets to off. this has happened quite a few times now (about once every few days on avereage). it is quite annoying, especially the resetting of '8 bits char treated as bas64' setting, because emails with an 8 bit char in it appear as unreadable garbage (well, not unreadable, but you'll catch my drift) to my recipients. i have two accounts, and the settings reset at the same time for both accounts. i'm sorry that i can't offer any more details. Steps to reproduce the bug: that would be difficult to list since it happens randomly. Regards, Mrten -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO492/cxmXGfKa+lHEQKGmACgjg4nBnIJijUuYbRroJMHjXzxAywAoIPU K1ocyePBsN+F265YADSk4Swg =TIKI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound choice?
On Friday, August 31, 2001, 7:20:29 AM, andrew wrote: Does anyone have any good mail arrival sounds? I'd like to use a different sound for different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? I just did a search which identified 589 '.wav' files on my harddrive. I have made no effort to collect such but windows gave lots to start with and lots of other programs come with some as well. I'm sure if you did a similar search you'd find lots of files to choose from. I used to use the roadrunner beeping, but I don't know where I got it. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound choice?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Andrew, I've got a customised edit of various soundfx that came with Office 97. If you're interested, I can email it to you. Matt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Eens Ajacied, altijd Ajacied. - a Hello tbudl, a This occurred to me one of my mails earlier today. Does anyone have a any good mail arrival sounds? I'd like to use a different sound for a different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource a anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? I've borrowed the a AOL 'you've got mail' for the moment but could do with a couple of a others. a thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUAO4+IV1NqpING8RNNAQEX+AP/R2PuPhbE+P8iGFWUiFeCNHA7Tx7M0oHu gOPm0vk/xrmDsf1KpSlNXckJveVo2UsbbeVpjMwYWO6vO1aZ1almFnF56Xq7luHk WsecMVqcp/HU8mKZm1OUrOwkoDRuJAC8+h52+QK5gahb44Y4TaMlHvLVWhmGN27Y uG1bkOK28+k= =rB5G -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Dwight, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:38:31 PM, you wrote: DAC On Friday, August 31, 2001, 7:20:29 AM, andrew wrote: Does anyone have any good mail arrival sounds? I'd like to use a different sound for different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? DAC I just did a search which identified 589 '.wav' files on my harddrive. DAC I have made no effort to collect such but windows gave lots to start DAC with and lots of other programs come with some as well. I'm sure if DAC you did a similar search you'd find lots of files to choose from. I DAC used to use the roadrunner beeping, but I don't know where I got it. yeah that would be a good sound.. i looked in windows/media but I wonder if many of these are too long, what we really need is small simple sounds like roadrunner. -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Matt, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:51:32 PM, you wrote: MC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MC Hash: MD5 MC Andrew, MC I've got a customised edit of various soundfx that came with Office MC 97. If you're interested, I can email it to you. MC Matt MC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MC - MC Eens Ajacied, altijd Ajacied. MC - a Hello tbudl, a This occurred to me one of my mails earlier today. Does anyone have a any good mail arrival sounds? I'd like to use a different sound for a different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource a anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? I've borrowed the a AOL 'you've got mail' for the moment but could do with a couple of a others. a thanks MC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- MC Version: 2.6 MC iQCVAwUAO4+IV1NqpING8RNNAQEX+AP/R2PuPhbE+P8iGFWUiFeCNHA7Tx7M0oHu MC gOPm0vk/xrmDsf1KpSlNXckJveVo2UsbbeVpjMwYWO6vO1aZ1almFnF56Xq7luHk MC WsecMVqcp/HU8mKZm1OUrOwkoDRuJAC8+h52+QK5gahb44Y4TaMlHvLVWhmGN27Y MC uG1bkOK28+k= MC =rB5G MC -END PGP SIGNATURE- yes please do :) -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[5]: SMTP server - setting up
Andrew, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, at 13:14:34 [GMT +0100] (which was 5:44 PM where I live) you wrote: a hehe :)) sorry raj I'm just using mydomain.com as an example it could a be anydomain.com or anything_else.com if you see what I mean. I just a ideally would like 'my domain' to appear as the smtp server address - a if it's a piad for service this might be possible? do you know? You have me completely lost - sorry average intelligence. Quoting your original post. a Can I set-up my own smpt server. Is this possible on my PC or do I do a this on my webspace? (novice as I say). If so on either can anyone a suggest simple software I should use? My reply was to this post you had done originally. I use ADR, and my ISP also blocks mails not belonging to them. And I have been successful in sending mails. TGIF, Have a great weekend! -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Replied on Friday, August 31, 2001 using TB Ver 1.54 Beta/4 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multii-users (was: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!)
On 31-08-2001 at 11:56, Michal Kozusznik kindly wrote: Friday, August 31, 2001, 11:43:39 AM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: What major bugs are you referring too? I just wrote about. HTML interpreter is not important for me. But multi-user mode working correctly on multi-user Win98 machines is. Considering that it's not difficult to get TB working for different users under WinNT, I'm not quite sure why you would claim that setting up TB for mult-users under Win98 is not possible. - K - -- In ant arithmetic, there are only two numbers: Zero, which means anything less than a million, and Some. - Neil Stephenson: The Diamond Age -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: sound choice?
On Friday, August 31, 2001, 7:54:08 AM, andrew wrote: yeah that would be a good sound.. i looked in windows/media but I wonder if many of these are too long, what we really need is small simple sounds like roadrunner. Since it's small, and since attachments aren't allowed here, I'll post a copy to TBOT. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound choice?
On Friday, 31 August 2001, andrew wrote: a This occurred to me one of my mails earlier today. Does anyone have a any good mail arrival sounds? I'd like to use a different sound for a different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource a anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? I've borrowed the a AOL 'you've got mail' for the moment but could do with a couple of a others. Two that I use are Star Trek's Worf saying Incoming message, Captain, and Addams Family mail's in. These aren't particularly subtle, but I work from home and when I'm in the lounge room watching television, I can hear if the computer (in the study) has received a mail that requires a rapid response. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat 1.53d Windows 98 4.10 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:10:03 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I know from the previous discussions that it was not a bug people could get to happen easily. You have to be willing to dig deeper if you want to see it improved. OK. Know I know. And what about The Bat Tech (TBTECH) forum? Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
On 31-08-2001 at 13:35, Marck D Pearlstone kindly wrote: Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these MK And I want that TB! works on every accounts gives possibility to use it MK by all users. You mean that no matter who is logged in on Windows, all TB users should be able to access their mail? Then why have Windows users defined to begin with? MK Now it's impossible because TB! with multiuser/groups MK works good only under windows account where TB! was installed (in this MK example under user1) I've explained in another message how to make this work using separate mail base directories for each user. The system is still only as secure as the OS, and Win9x won't prevent users from looking at each others mail folders if they are determined. The cure for that would be the use of Win2k or NT and securing the folders with access permissions. Exactly. Michal, it seems that you are blaming TB for the operating system that you are using. - K - -- [She was] a beautiful neurotic who clung to her beauty as if it were a chance piece of debris keeping her afloat on a violent sea. - Mary Gaitskill: Two Girls, Fat and Thin -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: replies to me in lists
Hello David, On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:37:44 +0100 GMT (31/08/2001, 19:37 +0800 GMT), David Elliott wrote: DE For give me if I am wrong TF No, DE I am wrong :-( I forgive you anyway. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
Hello Marck, Friday, August 31, 2001, 2:27:17 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I thought your boss was concerned about security issues? That's a contradiction g. OK. I'll try again. I've tried to install TB! on each Windows account without result. But to the same base directory because TB! is (re)installing automaticly if it's installed now. So it gives no possibility to change the base mail directory. About my work. I'm working in DTP. So security is not needed than easy use of mail accounts is. Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[6]: SMTP server - setting up
Hello Raj, ok to summarise :) you use use the ADR (www.mailutilities.com) to send mail. Which would solve my problem. I have since found a free service which would do this for me too (thanks to this thread). But it might be worth using a paid for service if the smtp server the mail appears to be from is my domain (which could be anything if you see what I mean). So as you'll see below my domain is andema.co.uk so ideally I'd like the smtp server to appear to be smtp.andema.co.uk. If you ctrl+shift+k your mail you'll see the header and should see if your domain is listed as the smtp server in the header. thanks for try anyway :) -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multii-users (was: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!)
Hello Karin, Friday, August 31, 2001, 3:05:33 PM, Karin Spaink wrote: I'm not quite sure why you would claim that setting up TB for mult-users under Win98 is not possible. Because I've tried! And as I said: the problem apears specially when the Groups are used. With single accounts it's OK. Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: sound choice?
Hello Dwight, On Friday, August 31, 2001 08:08:41 [ -0500 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'sound choice?': Dwight Since it's small, and since attachments aren't allowed here, I'll post Dwight a copy to TBOT. How do I subscribe to TBOT? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/7/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 15:11:06 +0200 (which was 14:11 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: MK OK. I'll try again. I've tried to install TB! on each Windows MK account without result. But to the same base directory because TB! MK is (re)installing automaticly if it's installed now. So it gives MK no possibility to change the base mail directory. If you run up and change the base directory before doing anything else immediate after installing then it will all make sense. MK About my work. I'm working in DTP. So security is not needed than MK easy use of mail accounts is. Understood. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j5VQOeQkq5KdzaARAs+lAJ9l4FiZzCgyl5Wiblxnvg/O00E3tACcCLkk u7Efgr81zf/3a9CqYRI5O7E= =6566 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re[4]: sound choice?
This is a forwarded message From: ::Andrew:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 31, 2001, 2:23:26 PM Subject: sound choice? ===8==Original message text=== Hello Dwight, Friday, August 31, 2001, 2:08:41 PM, you wrote: yeah that would be a good sound.. i looked in windows/media but I wonder if many of these are too long, what we really need is small simple sounds like roadrunner. DAC Since it's small, and since attachments aren't allowed here, I'll post DAC a copy to TBOT. I'm not on tbot right now i was waiting to check a port of tbudl worked first. I'll join but could you email me direct. -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Matt, On Friday, August 31, 2001 08:51:32 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'sound choice?': Matt I've got a customised edit of various soundfx that came with Office Matt 97. If you're interested, I can email it to you. I don't know about Andrew but I'm definitely interested. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/7/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Some improvements
Perhaps this has already been mentioned -- maybe it's already in there and I haven't seen it -- but I would LOVE a backup scheduler. - Dear Mike, A backup scheduler inside the program would be a great addition, but it's a good bet that most wise users can't afford waiting for that... (definition of a wise user: one who has suffered some really serious data loss. We know, it happened to our company...) The very best $30 we have spent on software recently was in downloading and registering a gem of a program called Second Copy (http://www.SecondCopy.com/). We back up all important programs and data, including the full Bat folder (what the heck...) every day to CDRW and to a second hard drive. Like The Bat, Second Copy is clearly written by brilliant programmers. Unlike the Bat, their program is very logical to use and their Customer Service is extremely responsive (don't mean to offend anyone here, just a simple observation after a few months of use and reading posts.) I hope this helps. Best, Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 31 August 2001 at 15:04:09 +0200 (which was 14:04 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: I know from the previous discussions that it was not a bug people could get to happen easily. You have to be willing to dig deeper if you want to see it improved. MK OK. Know I know. And what about The Bat Tech (TBTECH) forum? That's not frequented by RIT staff either. Only TBBETA. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7j5T0OeQkq5KdzaARAiC8AJ9YptHikLSh/bOwkmSoiPfstoWe5QCgzt30 /n5UTBM0ZY1MqGFxocJiKlY= =Y8y9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Matt, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:51:32 PM, you wrote: MC I've got a customised edit of various soundfx that came with Office MC 97. If you're interested, I can email it to you. yes please :) -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound choice?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello andrew! On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 2:20:29 PM you wrote: I'd like to use a different sound for different accounts/types of mail arriving. Is there a resource anywhere or could someone send in sounds they use? I use some sound bits from Monty Python. they came with the first CD-ROM issued with their label (*Complete Waste of Time*). Lots of quite nice sentences from their TV-Show. One account's got Your lupines please uttered by John Cleese and used by me the other way round than it was used by him. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Das Gegenteil von Liebe ist nicht Haß sondern Angst. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO4+UK/To1oA8g8dLEQIppACffikRsvYCNbyNOECrM8E2nJBrp/4AoONy RYYSeyZgp9vB5hWNF2srkdkE =N8L4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Michal! On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 2:02:16 PM you wrote: Hehe. Great. Looks like W2k is the solution for every TB! problem (CSAPI, multiuser). I have no permission to change OS in my whole firm. For CSAPI it is not W2K but (according to your own messages) Office2000. I am not quite sure what goes wrong with spell checking. But it could easily bee that there is some issue with the CSAPI implementation in Office97, which is naturally not solvable by RITLabs. As for W2K, well, for some problems it is the solution (as perhaps will be WinXP). Regarding the dreaded memory leakage of the new betas, it seems only a problem under Win9x (up to ME). So changing to W2K would be a solution, since it uses a much better memory handling procedure. Sadly, it is not a solution for me as I can't run W2K with some of my hardware (incl. my graphics adapter and in part my soundcard). I think TB! is developed under W2K, what explains this bias. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO4+TNvTo1oA8g8dLEQI/cACg3r1lFUDrJoAp3og8WDICdYdqTMYAn16d Lkwuga8GdR/mEZzQatixrsdp =LwBK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Bernhard! On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 10:29:44 AM you wrote: And after a quick look into Becky I like the idea to edit the mail on the fly in an extern editor. AFAIR from different sources, the use of an external editor will be implemented with v2. As will surely other wish list items. the more users there are the more wishes will be uttered. And to be sure, some of these will be sensible, others debatable, and some pure nonsense. Need an example? Look at the new HTML viewer - when the memory problem is solved I will surely use it, because it offers some nice formatting options for reading. But there will also be, some day, the option to write HTML mails. some want it, I dread it. It is quite funny how often I have to tell people how to uncheck Send mail as HTML when they definitely don't need it for their mails. Just because they use OE. To summarize: You can't have everything, not even with MS (compare Paradox to Access, 1-2-3 to Excel, Papyrus to Word). - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Doing something with your own hands is *not* creativity; or masturbation is an artform everybody would be excelling in. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO4+O5/To1oA8g8dLEQLfAACg9iZLXWAN3x2PV4BZmQ5fybprCfQAoJWK CGuqdWGqKN6GDPuT/pIOwnQU =JVDr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribing
I have tried to use the link at the bottom to unsubscribe myself to thi slist, but ti dosent seem to be working. Can 21 of the admins pelase remove my e-mail address from this list. Best Reguards Waz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Matt, Friday, August 31, 2001, 1:51:32 PM, you wrote: MC I've got a customised edit of various soundfx that came with Office MC 97. If you're interested, I can email it to you. yes please :) -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Tim, Friday, August 31, 2001, 2:07:34 PM, you wrote: T Two that I use are Star Trek's Worf saying Incoming message, T Captain, and Addams Family mail's in. These aren't particularly T subtle, but I work from home and when I'm in the lounge room watching T television, I can hear if the computer (in the study) has received a T mail that requires a rapid response. can you email them? -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Existing bugs
Hello Karin, Friday, August 31, 2001, 3:12:57 PM, Karin Spaink wrote: You mean that no matter who is logged in on Windows, all TB users should be able to access their mail? Then why have Windows users defined to begin with? Hehe. For example for different desktop profiles. We are not talking why I need some thing but why this one doesn't work Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: combining two POPs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:44:51 +0200GMT (which was 23:44 +0200GMT where I live), Mrten presented us with these thoughts about combining two POPs: M what i've done now is create a second account and a filter which moves M the new messages to the other account there: M BeginFilter M Name: New rule M Active: 1 M Source: \\mrten-dop\Inbox M Target: \\Mrten\Inbox M CopyFolder: \\\none M MainSet: 01fyhrtyetydrtydrtyndtry M Actions: faoContinueProcessing M [snipped some for brevity] M EndFilter Hi Mrten, did you use The Bat! to create this? Your description above looks quite unfamiliar to me, particularly the MainSet and Actions part. When I go to Account -- Sorting Office/Filters I am presented with the choice to filter mails from any folder to any other folder in any account. I'll have to set at least one condition to be fulfilled for the filter to work. In your case (all messages) the following is one possibility: Strings: @ Location: Kludges Presence: yes This should do the job. Cheers Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication :o) Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Comment: Key-ID:0xE10774CE Comment: Have a lot of fun! :-) iQA/AwUBO4+lwgM2UgbhB3TOEQJBzwCfTT2uwo7OQuLc30kwy+hROL62wskAoO1N fQxTamYJvzGHjMcgSiNmDt68 =Fn0p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: sound choice?
Hello Rob, Friday, August 31, 2001, 6:50:08 PM, you wrote: R http://wso.williams.edu/~eudora/eudora-alert-sounds.html R sounds from Star Trek, Simpsons, Babylon 5 etc. etc. rob thanks alot for the link :) Monty Python i love it! :) -- Best regards, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QT with %ATTACHMENT macro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL Members! I do have a QT wich uses macros to insert my vCard and three files. Since some e-mail clients (and there users) are obviously too stupid to grasp the concept of more than one attached file, I want to include in the body a list of attachments. I just put in the %ATTACHMENTS macro, opened a new message, put in the QT's handle and the message was put together. Only problem, where the list of files should have been, TB! inserted none (without quotes). I then tried to put in the macro in the editor, which didn't do anything. What am I doing wrong? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C There *is* love at first sight. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO4+sofTo1oA8g8dLEQJ2BwCg45ecgtCbkzvM/AKRgbrP7DZ2K9IAn1dv GkZxhjy3F5Q0DJ/ROte3ijK+ =l+wN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Address book
Friday, August 31, 2001 9:08 PM GMT -0800 Hello Bat Users, Here is one that I have never seen on the list. I was looking around in The Bat's directories and opened thebat.abd address book file in a text editor just to see what it looked like. Still in this file are names and addresses that I deleted months ago. They don't show up when I open the address book but they *are* in the thebat.abd file. Had anyone else noticed this before? How would one purge this file of these deleted items without messing up the address book? Thanks, and hello everybody. I haven't posted in quite some time but have over 6000 messages in my Batlist folder. -- Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d Under Windows 98se 4.10 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
