Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-02 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello ETM,

It was foretold that on Sunday, December 2, 2001 at 02:48 GMT -0500,
ETM [E] would type:

E First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?

I think OE can export to .eml files, right?  If so, then just rename
the .eml files to .msg (I have a VBScript to automate the renaming
process, let me know if you're interested.)  You can import .msg files
quite easily.

E I know where the approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I
E cannot get the Mail Import Wizard to accept the location. Is it
E because I am not yet working with a registered program or is it the
E OE version?

TB's trial is fully functional.  It must be the OE version.

You seem to deal with a lot of mail in archives.  For that task, many
people on another list swear by a program called Mailbag Assistant
http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html.  It works with many
mailers, including OE and TB.  The list where I first heard about it
is the Power Tools Software list on Yahoo groups.  You can check out
the webpage at http://www.tr1be.com/powertools/index.html
The owner occasionally runs contests for members.  You should ask him
about this month's contest and promotions.


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Re[2]: NEW USER QUESTIONS

2001-12-02 Thread Geoff Lane

Sunday, December 02, 2001, 7:48:57 AM, ETM wrote:

 First hitch:  Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB?  I know where the
 approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I cannot get the Mail Import
 Wizard to accept the location.  Is it because I am not yet working with a
 registered program or is it the OE version?

When I imported messages from OE5.5, the Import wizard didn't ask
where the files were -- it just needed to know that I wanted to import
from OE.

From the way that TB imports from my copy of OE5.5, I suspect that OE
is set up incorrectly on your computer. Can you see those messages
from your default OE account?

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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Sean!

On 2  Dec 2001 at 05:38:06 you wrote:

 To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features
 of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types

The biggest problems for me are:

1. People send HTML but *don't* use the HTML features, making
messages unnecessarily big. Those are the messages that look
exactly the same in HTML and PT.

2. People find out about the features of HTML and use them
unnecessarily. Those are the messages that could/should have been
sent in PT but look like the most stupidly designed web sites from
which you can get - quite literally - a seizure.

It is actually some spammers and the commercial newsletters (like
PCWelt's) that make really good use of HTML. To them even GET makes
sense, even if their NL are completely void of contents when I see
them with TB!.





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Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread meprobe

Hi,

I used the Backup facility in in Files  Tools. After which I deleted
formatted my drive. Now that I've re-installed, I cannot get TB to
sync back with the .tbk backup files. How do I get everything back?

I have being a faithful TB user for over a year but never had the
chance to try out the Backup facility. Did I do something wrong?

Thanks.

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Re: Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello List,

On 2  Dec 2001 at 16:37:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (at least in part):

mgn Hi,

mgn I used the Backup facility in in Files  Tools. After which I deleted
mgn formatted my drive. Now that I've re-installed, I cannot get TB to
mgn sync back with the .tbk backup files. How do I get everything back?

What did you try to restore this backup files?

'Tools' / 'Restore' ?

mgn I have being a faithful TB user for over a year but never had the
mgn chance to try out the Backup facility. Did I do something wrong?

Dunno ... maybe you could tell the things you tried to recover your
mail and if and what error message you got.
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Re: Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Peter!

On 2  Dec 2001 at 16:56:50 you wrote:

 Dunno ... maybe you could tell the things you tried to recover your
 mail and if and what error message you got.

Perhaps he first has to re-create his folder structure? Or is this
obsolete with the backup feature? As you can see I don't use it -
actually I haven't ever needed to back up or restore TB!'s message
base in more than one and a half years of use.

BTW, I haven't even been in need of installing Windows anew once a
year. If one takes good care of it - cleaning the registry, deleting
disused DLL's and drivers etc. - one doesn't need to re-install it.
And I'm on Win95c now for more than 5 years!



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Re: Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread Allie C Martin

@ 23:37:57 +0800 [ Sun, 2 Dec 2001], Meprobe [M] contributed this to
our collective wisdom:
...
M I used the Backup facility in in Files  Tools. After which I deleted
M formatted my drive. Now that I've re-installed, I cannot get TB to
M sync back with the .tbk backup files. How do I get everything back?

Oops. You should always test a backup routine before *trusting* it. :-)

M I have being a faithful TB user for over a year but never had the
M chance to try out the Backup facility. Did I do something wrong?

I've used the backup before and it worked OK. I've only done it once
so my memory is vague.

After doing the backup and ticking all the options in the backup
dialog since I wanted to backup everything, I installed SB (this could
have easily been a reinstall of TB!), created a new account and then
did the restore from backup routine. When I was finished, I deleted
the account that I had created. I don't think that creating the new
account should be a necessary step but at present it is.

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Re: Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Dierk,

On 2  Dec 2001 at 17:13:42 you wrote (at least in part):

DH Perhaps he first has to re-create his folder structure? Or is this
DH obsolete with the backup feature?

CMIIW but I think this is what backup is for: automatic restore of
structure and data (in general). If I would need to create the folder
structure in my windows directory before being able to restore the
data I'd be lost in space :-) And I can't recall it up to 100% but I
think last time I used backup/restore for creating the same
functionality and data base as at my laptop at my workstation too I
did not even need to create the account. Restore-unction asked me
which accounts to restore and created everything necessary.
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Re[2]: Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Dierk,

2. december 2001, 17:13:42, you wrote:

DH Perhaps he first has to re-create his folder structure? Or is this
DH obsolete with the backup feature? As you can see I don't use it -
DH actually I haven't ever needed to back up or restore TB!'s message
DH base in more than one and a half years of use.

No, the restore creates the folders automatically (I used it when I
was playing with TB on linux for the first time).

DH BTW, I haven't even been in need of installing Windows anew once a
DH year. If one takes good care of it - cleaning the registry, deleting
DH disused DLL's and drivers etc. - one doesn't need to re-install it.
DH And I'm on Win95c now for more than 5 years!

Win95 wasn't so bad about crashing - on my sister's 486 (Win95b) it
has been reinstalled only once (after HD crash). It's still working
fine, after 4 years.

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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread Zach Robbins


Saturday, December 01, 2001, 10:51:35 PM, Thomas F wrote:

 Hello N.,

 On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:38:06 -0700 GMT (02/12/2001, 12:38 +0800 GMT),
 N. Sean Timm wrote:

NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...

 To me it is. HTML blows the message up 2 or 3 times.

My favorite is when someone sends HTML mail, I click on the
message.htm tab on the bottom of the viewer pane, and their message is
just regular black text, Times New Roman, on a white background.
Especially when I know darn well that they *never* add any additional
formatting to their mail, not even boldface or italics.

For the record, I see little reason for HTML use in email. RTF'd or
HTML documents can be sent attached separately if necessary. Windows
comes with Internet Explorer, and WordPad to view such attachments.
Obviously, there are viewers for other platforms as well. Necessity is
my issue with this HTML integration we're talking about with TB! It
just seems like unnecessary code for TB! program. But that's just me.

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Re: TB! as Opera's default client

2001-12-02 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Peter!

On 2  Dec 2001 at 18:01:45 you wrote:

 how do I set The Bat! as default email client in Opera 6.0 version 999?
 Checking use system default (=The Bat!) doesn't work for email links in
 Opera. Any ideas?

1. Download the final (build 1010), it corrects most of the serious
bugs we reported in beta1 (build 998 and 999).

2. If this cures your problem everything is alright; it did for
Haarvaard from Opera Software. Sadly some of us - me included - still
suffer from not being able to use external mail clients defined as
system's default from within Opera. this only applies to the option
Use system default mailer.

3. If you cannot use the opteion mentioned, you have to revert to the
following: Check Use external programme and enter the string

 G:\Bat\thebat.exe mailto:%

Don't tick Replace missing parameters ...!

I hope the developers at OS soon find out why some of us have
difficulties using the other option and can correct (*and* publish a
fixed version). For the moment we only know that the bug from the beta
has shifted somewhat. In the beta the error message was created by
Opera itself, now it is a system message about not finding the right
programme, although it is defined correctly through the registry.

I suspect that Opera does not hand over the parameters correctly, I
found it adding a question mark at the end. the developers know of
this - hopefully - through the appropriate newsgroup.



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Re[2]: What is it? (Message splitting)

2001-12-02 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
30 Nov 2001, Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH It's for bad telephone lines.

???

I don't see any good reason for using splitting for bad telephone
lines, but main usage as I know is for sending bigger messages to
users, which has ISP with mail size restriction. Many of ISP block
mails with size greater than 5 MB, so if You want to send bigger
message, You should apply this option and message will be splitted to
smaller ones.

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Re: TB! as Opera's default client

2001-12-02 Thread Paddy L

Hello Peter,

Sunday, December 02, 2001, 09:01:45, you wrote:

PM Hi listeners,

PM how do I set The Bat! as default email client in Opera 6.0 version 999?
PM Checking use system default (=The Bat!) doesn't work for email links in
PM Opera. Any ideas?

Known bug. In E-Mail Preferences try:

Use Specific E-Mail Client  \thebat.exe mailto:%
Check box Replace missing parameters with a space.

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Re: Beta and non-beta versions together

2001-12-02 Thread PFord

On Friday, November 30, 2001, Allie C Martin wrote:

 If you're willing to go through with this, then shout so that we can
 help you with the batch files. :-)

The tasks don't intimidate me, but this is more trouble than I want to
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Re: TB! as Opera's default client

2001-12-02 Thread Peter Meyns

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:15:32 +0100GMT (which was 18:15 +0100GMT where I live),
Dierk Haasis thought about TB! as Opera's default client and wrote:

 how do I set The Bat! as default email client in Opera 6.0 version 999?
 Checking use system default (=The Bat!) doesn't work for email links in
 Opera. Any ideas?

DH  G:\Bat\thebat.exe mailto:%

Thank you Dierk, for now this works here! :o) I may try your other
suggestions as well.

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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread James Senick

Hello Dierk,


Sunday, December 02, 2001, 4:17:59 AM, you wrote:

Dierk The biggest problems for me are:

Dierk 1. People send HTML but *don't* use the HTML features, making
Dierk messages unnecessarily big. Those are the messages that look
Dierk exactly the same in HTML and PT.

Yes and in that, I really like the way TB handles such
messages.  Even for the ones containing useless stationery.  I'm
not really bashing stationery but referring to those who have it
set for every message by default.  I don't fault the software
for having the feature, however. But fixing this is akin to
convincing my great Aunt to quit sending chain letters.  But
seriously, I like the way TB handles most HTML messages, giving
you the power to delete the HTML portion while still saving the
text for later review.

Dierk 2. People find out about the features of HTML and use them
Dierk unnecessarily. Those are the messages that could/should have been
Dierk sent in PT but look like the most stupidly designed web sites from
Dierk which you can get - quite literally - a seizure.

Yes again.  And this is somewhat understandable on the
Web at least.  People still learning are eager to try anything
flashy.  Yet I don't think such features should be removed from
e-mail clients.  There are valid uses for almost
everything...almost.

Dierk It is actually some spammers and the commercial newsletters (like
Dierk PCWelt's) that make really good use of HTML. To them even GET makes
Dierk sense, even if their NL are completely void of contents when I see
Dierk them with TB!.

Good last point.  Some organizations seem to find it easier to
compose a message as one large set of sliced graphics and / or
objects.  yet, as you say, the message body contains nothing in
the way of content.  This is something many of us wouldn't ever
know had we never come across TB.

The main thing I like about HTML messages are link
formatting and structure.  For instance, sending a rather
lengthy link which contains strings like htm?view=01189432 at
the end are troublesome for many e-mail clients.  Of course,
HTML formatted links don't share this problem.  And even the
best of tricks are not fool proof.  The only decent solution is
to set up a redirect link with a shorter URL for every link
contained in a message.  ECom newsletters considered, this can
be a laborious task to say the least. In this way, I have had to
make decisions to leave some content out of text-only versions
while HTML versions are complete and as intended.

Secondly, structure is important at least internally.
I'm sure most of us have by now received a transaction receipt
in text that is horribly wrapped.  Some solid companies do their
best to adjust for standard column lengths.  But they never seem
to work perfectly.  While I wouldn't recommend sending customer
invoices in HTML alone, I'd consider using the dual method.  And
I certainly share internal documents of this type with table
structures via HTML.  This is almost necessary due to some
office members using 640 x 480 on 14 monitors.  But these can't
be confidential documents as encrypting HTML documents is a
mystery to me.





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No Xmas Edition this year?

2001-12-02 Thread PFord

I miss the Santa bat.

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Re: Beta and non-beta versions together

2001-12-02 Thread Carsten Thönges

Hi Pford,

P I'd like to get a look at the betas, but since they look pretty buggy
P from the archive of the beta list, I was wondering if I could install
P the beta seperately from the dependable 1.53.

With Windows NT (2000, XP) you can run more than one instance of
The Bat! at the same time. It's possible to run applications as
another user (run as..., shift+right mouse button). I created a dummy
windows-user and run The Bat! betas as this user.

So you don't get into trouble with registry settings.

,- [ My shortcut to run TB! betas ]
| C:\WINNT\system32\runas.exe /profile /user:domain\dummy
| C:\Programme\The Bat!\thebat.exe /nologo /U:thoenges
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Re[2]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread Kris Vermandere

Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create
a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a
HTML message, or when I want to forward it?  Then the HTML structure
is lost, and all that is left is plain text, so the receiver will not
see the original contents of the mail.  Is there any other way to make
sure the receivers sees the original message?

Greetings,

Cyclon


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Re[3]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread N. Sean Timm

Saturday, December 01, 2001, 9:38:06 PM, I wrote:

NST Hello James,

NST Saturday, December 01, 2001, 8:54:39 PM, you wrote:

JS On viruses and external images...from the business end
JS it would be ridiculous to expect customers to put up with
JS embedded images.  Keeping them external at least gives the
JS customer a chance to delete the message before all the
JS downloading begins.  Please don't think of HTML e-mail as an
JS evil business tool used by spammers alone.  In my case I'd much
JS rather send text since I can send them ten times faster.  But
JS our subscriber base prefers HTML.  They sign up for it, it is
JS not chosen for them.  The problem with viruses is well
JS documented but it is certainly not the norm.  And one shouldn't
JS shy away from HTML because of them just as you wouldn't abstain
JS from using the 'Net for fear of infection.

NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features
NST of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types (such as spammers, who,
NST by merely including an external image, can determine whether or not your
NST email address is valid.)  However, there are also perfectly valid
NST reasons to want/need HTML.  However, in these cases, the receipient
NST usually expects HTML from a certain source.  I think it'd be great if
NST The Bat! allowed you to set up a list of people (or a filter?) that
NST were allowed to send you HTML, and it would display the images
NST automatically for mail from those addresses.

Oh...and let's not forget those who, rather than being able to
rationally argue their point of view, have to attempt to send someone
a virus to try and prove their point (You know who you are, and I
don't appreciate it in this kind of forum.)  I stand by my statement
that there can and are valid uses of HTML email that are not malicious, and
anything that can be done to enable these, while protecting against
the misuse of it (such as only allowing it from those you specify) is
a Good Thing.

- Sean T.



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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread James Senick

Sean,

I got the same.  But I think that was an auto generated
send from the trojan.  Possibly not.  But that would be my first
guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached.
Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects.  I think people
in this list are far above that sort of behavior.


Sunday, December 02, 2001, 1:40:27 PM, you wrote:

N. Oh...and let's not forget those who, rather than being able to
N. rationally argue their point of view, have to attempt to send someone
N. a virus to try and prove their point (You know who you are, and I
N. don't appreciate it in this kind of forum.)  I stand by my statement
N. that there can and are valid uses of HTML email that are not malicious, and
N. anything that can be done to enable these, while protecting against
N. the misuse of it (such as only allowing it from those you specify) is
N. a Good Thing.

N. - Sean T.


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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread James Senick

Hi Cyclon,

Sunday, December 02, 2001, 1:35:06 PM, you wrote:

Kris Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create
Kris a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a
Kris HTML message, or when I want to forward it?  Then the HTML structure
Kris is lost, and all that is left is plain text, so the receiver will not
Kris see the original contents of the mail.  Is there any other way to make
Kris sure the receivers sees the original message?

Depending on how well the original e-mail was formatted,
you may find these work arounds useful.

1)  Open the message and hit Ctrl-A or select all text, then
choose Specials and reply quoting selected text.  If the
structure was formatted well, it might appear pretty much
intact.

2)  Alternatively, you could either forward the message or
redirect it.  Of course, you'd have to edit the to and from
lines.  But the HTML portion should be included as an attachment
this way.  Thereby, you could say something like, see
attachment for original message.

3) There are other ways that would appear more 'normal' but
they'd be too time consuming for just one message unless it was
terribly important.  Personally, I'd redirect the message to one
of the e-mail accounts I use on Becky or Outlook and deal with
it from there.  But the same could be done with a hotmail
account too.  But there may be far better suggestions from
others more knowledgeable than I.



Kris Greetings,

Kris Cyclon





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VIRUS as welcome

2001-12-02 Thread Geek

Hello TBUDL,

Well, shortly after my first message to the list I received as
a welcome the latest virus *APPARENTLY* from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wilhelm Alm).
Thanks to the Bat it din't go off
automatically as it might have with Outlook in Preview mode.

I guess I need to destroy this email and invent another.

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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread Zach Robbins


Sunday, December 02, 2001, 11:50:17 AM, James Senick wrote:

 Sean,

 I got the same.  But I think that was an auto generated
 send from the trojan.  Possibly not.  But that would be my first
 guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached.
 Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects.  I think people
 in this list are far above that sort of behavior.

This is true. Details here:

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I would have received it as well if Norton Antivirus hadn't nailed it
before it even reached the inbox.


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Re[2]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread N. Sean Timm

Hello Zach,

Sunday, December 02, 2001, 12:15:08 PM, you wrote:


ZR Sunday, December 02, 2001, 11:50:17 AM, James Senick wrote:

 I got the same.  But I think that was an auto generated
 send from the trojan.  Possibly not.  But that would be my first
 guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached.
 Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects.  I think people
 in this list are far above that sort of behavior.

ZR This is true. Details here:

ZR http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

ZR I would have received it as well if Norton Antivirus hadn't nailed it
ZR before it even reached the inbox.

I'm glad to find out that it wasn't a malicious attempt to counter my
opinion.  :)  Fortunately, I, too saved by both The Bat! and Norton
Antivirus...what a wonderful combination.  :)

- Sean T.



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Re[3]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread N. Sean Timm

Sunday, December 02, 2001, 12:25:55 PM, I wrote:
NST opinion.  :)  Fortunately, I, too saved by both The Bat! and Norton

I, too saved?  That's twice in less than 24 hours that I've found myself
unable to speak grammatically correct English!  I better do a little
less programming and a little more getting out.  :)

- Sean T.



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Re: VIRUS as welcome

2001-12-02 Thread Peter Meyns

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G Well, shortly after my first message to the list I received as a welcome
G the latest virus *APPARENTLY* from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wilhelm
G Alm). Thanks to the Bat it din't go off automatically as it might have
G with Outlook in Preview mode.

Hi Geek,

I received the same one. As with you, TB! wouldn't let it go off. *bigrelief*!
Too bad it was your first reply from TBUDL.
Welcome to the list anyway. :-)

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Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Kevin Conlin

Hi All Bat Users,

A  User on this email list sent me a Virus W32.Badtrans , im
not  saying this was intentional, it was an Off Mailing list
reply  to  my NAV2002 post.  i would just like to inform you
incase  you  receive  an  email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with a Subject of RE:RE:NAV2002.

The Email should be deleted.

Thanks,

Kevin


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Re: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Kenneth S. Rhee

Hello Kevin,

2  Dec 2001, 2:40:33 PM, you wrote:


What virus?  I don't think I have received such e-mail lately.

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Re: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Eric Malausséna

Hi Kevin,

On dimanche 2 décembre 2001 at 20:40:33, you wrote :

KC A  User on this email list sent me a Virus W32.Badtrans , im
KC not  saying this was intentional, it was an Off Mailing list
KC reply  to  my NAV2002 post.  i would just like to inform you
KC incase  you  receive  an  email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KC with a Subject of RE:RE:NAV2002.

KC The Email should be deleted.

I confirm.
With AVP, the message couldn't be downloaded and I had to delete it on
the server.

It is I.Worm.BadrtransII as registered by AVP.

This e-mail MUST be deleted and I send a mail to Wilhelm.

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Re[2]: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Kevin Conlin

Sunday, December 02, 2001, Kenneth S. Rhee
In Regards to Virus 


KSR Hello Kevin,

KSR 2  Dec 2001, 2:40:33 PM, you wrote:


KSR What virus?  I don't think I have received such e-mail lately.



The  Virus  is  the  W32.Badtrans  Virus,  Quite a
Dangerous  one which goes through the address book
and  Emails  all  contacts, i believe this is what
has happened.


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Re: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear Kenneth, 

 --- Kenneth S. Rhee / Sonntag, 02.12.01, 20:50:36
Virus


 What virus?  I don't think I have received such e-mail lately.

It sure must be Be.Trans.B Virus. Its *the common* Virus at the
moment. Have a look at www.f-secure.com/v-descs/badtrs_b.shtml


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Sort Problem

2001-12-02 Thread Kevin Conlin

Hi all,

I  have a problem with sorting emails... i sort by
Received  time,  so  new  ones are to the top, but
since  2  days  ago, i have noticed ALL new emails
turning  up  about  the  middle  of my Folder, ive
tried  to  reset  the  sort  position, but nothing
seems to help.

Any pointers?

Kevin


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Re[3]: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Kenneth S. Rhee

Hello Kevin,

2  Dec 2001, 3:02:05 PM, you wrote:

KC The  Virus  is  the  W32.Badtrans  Virus,  Quite a
KC Dangerous  one which goes through the address book
KC and  Emails  all  contacts, i believe this is what
KC has happened.

I'm familiar with it and my NAV 2002 has that within its definition.
What I'm saying is that I have not received any e-mail sent by
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Re[4]: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Kevin Conlin

2  Dec 2001, Kenneth S. Rhee
In Regards to Virus 


KSR Hello Kevin,

KSR 2  Dec 2001, 3:02:05 PM, you wrote:

KC The  Virus  is  the  W32.Badtrans  Virus,  Quite a
KC Dangerous  one which goes through the address book
KC and  Emails  all  contacts, i believe this is what
KC has happened.

KSR I'm familiar with it and my NAV 2002 has that within its definition.
KSR What I'm saying is that I have not received any e-mail sent by
KSR [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Thats  OK, i see a few users have, and i suspected
it  was on the list, which it obviously has turned
out  to  be.


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Re: TB! as Opera's default client

2001-12-02 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Peter,

2. december 2001, 18:01:45, you wrote:

PM how do I set The Bat! as default email client in Opera 6.0 version 999?
PM Checking use system default (=The Bat!) doesn't work for email links in
PM Opera. Any ideas?

I've got it working this way:

 File-Preferences-E-mail-Use specified e-mail client:

 [ D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe mailto:%t?subject=%sbody=%m ]

 [x] Replace missing parameters with space

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concerning distribution lists??

2001-12-02 Thread Rick Reumann

Bat List,

Bat List,

My search through the help files and the archives leaves me still a
bit confused on this topic of setting up a simple mailing/distribution
list.
I'll start by first explaining what I would like to accomplish. I
would like to be able to start typing a list name in the TO: field and
have it autocomplete with the use of ctrl+. The question then becomes
how to best set up this list.

The help file mentions to go through the address book and add a
new group name for the people you want on a list. I don't really like
this way for several reasons (and please someone tell this newbie if I'm
just screwing up and not configuring the stuff correctly).

1) The first
problem is I want to have a default New template for the group list.
However if I set this default new template for the group than it comes
up even if I just select one of the list recipients that I want to
send a single new email to.

2) I can't get autcomplete in the TO: field to select a distribution
list. It will work if I first go to the address book and then right
click on the group and start a new message that way because it will
then have the TO list in the recently used addresses, but this doesn't
seem like a decent way to handle the autocomplete

3) I also really don't like having a whole contact group name for a
list of people in my address book (although it's not really that big
of a deal). I have certain categories in the contacts like family,
friends, wfu, coworkers, church, etc. But then I email a few friends
in some of those groups that I email more frequently. Say for example
some of my friends I took sports with on Monday. Sure I could create a
whole sports or football group in my contacts but for some reason
setting up a whole GROUP for every distribution list I want to set up
doesn't really sit right with me. Usually the distribution/mailing
list is a subgroup of a group which The Bat doesn't store subgroups in
the contacts folder.

The other way that I've found to set up a distribution list as almost
perfect. Set up a contact with a name and then create a TO macro in the
new message template with the addresses you want. This also allows for
a custom creation of specific templates just for that list. Everything
is perfect about this except for entering the addresses. How do I
quickly enter the email addresses that I want to use in the TO macro
without having to keep going over to the address book and cutting and
pasting? It seems like there really should be an easier way to add the
addresses to create a mailing list?

Am I totally missing something concerning the best way to set up
simple distribution/mailing lists? I love everything about The Bat!
except for the lack-of-ease I'm running into for setting up lists of
people that I want to send email to on a regular basis. In some other
email programs (ie Pegasus) it was easy to just type the name of list
you want in your address book and then you could simply drag and drop
names from your address book into this list (not saying I like Pegasus
better, but did like this feature). Maybe there is an easier way to
set up a distribution list that I'm missing.

Sorry for the somewhat long post.


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Newbie Help

2001-12-02 Thread Keith McCallum

Greetings,

I am new to The Bat as of late last night.

I have to create two Groups Lists and use them as I did in Eudora. When I click on 
Groups . . . it
takes me to Groups/Selector and there is nothing to select. Please help.

Also I have some individuals who will be part of one of the groups.
Is there some simple way to have them become part of the group list.

Thanks,

Keith McCallum

Toronto, Canada   ICQ 74608984

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Re: concerning distribution lists??

2001-12-02 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Rick,

On Sunday, December 2, 2001 at 17:31 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking
Rick Reumann [RR] wrote:

RR (and please someone tell this newbie if I'm just screwing up and
RR not configuring the stuff correctly).

Well, yes and no.  ;-)  There are some work arounds, but they aren't
all obvious.

RR 1) The first problem is I want to have a default New template for
RR the group list. However if I set this default new template for the
RR group than it comes up even if I just select one of the list
RR recipients that I want to send a single new email to.

The best way around this one is: create both your default and group
templates as quick templates.  Now in your address book group
template, use the following:

,- [ Begin AB template ] -
|
| %IF:'%-
| %SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)((.*\@){3,}|.*\list\)%-
| %REGEXPMATCH=%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST%-
| ''':'%-
| %QINCLUDE=group template QT%-
| ':'%-
| %QINCLUDE=default template QT'
|
`- [  End AB Template ] -

This will use the group template if you have 3 or more addresses in
the recipient fields (TO, CC or BCC).  Group templates will also be
used if one of the recipient fields contains list.

For everything else, the default template will be used.  While you're
at it, change your account default templates to refer to the quick
template you just created.  In other words, change the templates under
 Account - Properties to:

%QINCLUDE=default template QT

Note: For the sake of completeness, remember to use the quick
  templates' handles in place of default template QT and
  group template QT.  It was probably obvious, but...

RR 2) I can't get autcomplete in the TO: field to select a distribution
RR list. It will work if I first go to the address book and then right
RR click on the group and start a new message that way because it will
RR then have the TO list in the recently used addresses, but this doesn't
RR seem like a decent way to handle the autocomplete

If I remember correctly, in the current release version, you can
change where the auto-complete looks for matches. Check:
 Options - Preferences - System

RR Usually the distribution/mailing list is a subgroup of a group
RR which The Bat doesn't store subgroups in the contacts folder.

Unfortunately, TB's address book can't handle further organization of
groups.  Perhaps you should make a feature request (see the options
under the help menu).

RR The other way that I've found to set up a distribution list as almost
RR perfect. Set up a contact with a name and then create a TO macro in the
RR new message template with the addresses you want. This also allows for
RR a custom creation of specific templates just for that list. Everything
RR is perfect about this except for entering the addresses. How do I
RR quickly enter the email addresses that I want to use in the TO macro
RR without having to keep going over to the address book and cutting and
RR pasting?

Well, you can't really speed it up any.  Unfortunately you are being a
bit tricky, so the procedure isn't as easy as it could be.

RR It seems like there really should be an easier way to add the
RR addresses to create a mailing list?

If you stick with groups, then you can add addresses many ways,
including by filters.

RR Sorry for the somewhat long post.

No problem.


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Re[2]: concerning distribution lists??

2001-12-02 Thread Rick Reumann

On Sunday, December 02, 2001, 10:28:59 PM, you wrote:

JA Hello Rick,



JA The best way around this one is: create both your default and group
JA templates as quick templates.  Now in your address book group
JA template, use the following:

JA ,- [ Begin AB template ] -
JA |
JA | %IF:'%-
JA | %SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)((.*\@){3,}|.*\list\)%-
JA | %REGEXPMATCH=%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST%-
JA | ''':'%-
JA | %QINCLUDE=group template QT%-
JA | ':'%-
JA | %QINCLUDE=default template QT'
JA |
JA `- [  End AB Template ] -



Man! Thanks so much! That template macro is absolutely perfect!

RR 2) I can't get autcomplete in the TO: field to select a distribution
RR list. It will work if I first go to the address book and then right
RR click on the group and start a new message that way because it will
RR then have the TO list in the recently used addresses, but this doesn't
RR seem like a decent way to handle the autocomplete

JA If I remember correctly, in the current release version, you can
JA change where the auto-complete looks for matches. Check:
JA  Options - Preferences - System

This helps with making sure that the recently used list isn't used,
but I still can't see how I can get it to work as a shortcut to
sending to a whole group list. Is there a quick way without having to
open up the address book and having to right click on the group in
order to send a message to a whole group?

Thanks again

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Re: Help With Backup

2001-12-02 Thread Kelvin Quee

Hello,

Thank you for your prompt help. I have traced down the problem to a
corrupted backup, blame Winzip. I managed to fix it with PkZip and
used the Tools/Restore facility. Everything worked out fine, and like what
Peter wrote, I don't even need to create new accounts. Hurray!

Now this Backup/Restore facility has strengtened my faith in TB!  :)

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Re[2]: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Eric Malausséna

Hi Jan,

On dimanche 2 décembre 2001 at 23:34:24, you wrote :

Eric I confirm. With AVP, the message couldn't be
Eric downloaded and I had to delete it on the server.
Eric It is I.Worm.BadrtransII as registered by AVP.

JR   Does this mean that AVP automatically prevented the
JR   message from downloading to your machine?

Not exactly. AVP prevented message to arrive in the Incoming Box.

When The Bat! download the message, a batxx.tmp file is created before
in temp directory and then converted in real message incoming box.
AVP warned when the batxx.tmp file was created and prevented The Bat!
access to it. So The Bat! was unable to put this message in Incoming
Box.

I just had tmp files (inoffensive) created in TEMP directory.
In the same time, this message was not deleted from the POP server
probably because the process was interrupted by AVP.

So, I had to delete it whith the Server Manager. Until that, The Bat!
was trying to re-download it each time it was collecting POP3... and
each time, a new temp file was created...

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Re: template question

2001-12-02 Thread PFord

Rick wrote:

 When I want to send an individual message to a friend that is also
 in the football group I do not want the football template to be used
 and just want the default new mail template to be used. What is the
 best way to set this up without having to have an individual
 template for each person.

You got some excellent answers, using regex, but being simple-minded,
I handle this situation with folders. I make a folder for the group
with its own templates for that group rather than fuss with address
book templates. When I want to send a message to the group, I click on
that folder and hit the new button. When I want to send a message to
an individual in the group, I just make sure that I've selected some
folder that uses that the default templates.

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HTML Viewing

2001-12-02 Thread Tom

Hello, I am trying to figure out how to display pictures in HTML view.
The pictures are show up as gif attachments but when I click on
message.htm on place holders show the pictures do not show.  I am
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Global Filters

2001-12-02 Thread Robbie Robertson

Is there a way that I can set up a set of folders and filters that can
be  accessed  from  any  account? I have several email accounts and am
sorting  the messages from all of the accounts into a master account
that  has all of the folders. The other accounts have only the defaut
folders.  The  problem  I  have  is when copying the .SRT files to the
other  accounts,  I  have  to  in  to each rule and manually point the
destination to the master account folder. It would be really nice if I
could set up a single set of rules that are used by all accounts.

Any suggestions for this? Did I overlook an option??

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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi Kris,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:35:06 +0100GMT (03/12/2001, 02:35 +0800GMT),
Kris Vermandere wrote:

KV Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create
KV a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a
KV HTML message, or when I want to forward it?

In order to reply, you can try hitting the reply button. In order to
forward a message, trying the forward button is a good idea.

KV Then the HTML structure is lost, and all that is left is plain
KV text,

Yes, you have understood the whole point. :-)

KV so the receiver will not see the original contents of the mail. Is
KV there any other way to make sure the receivers sees the original
KV message?

If you want to send it to spamcops, you mean? (I wouldn't know any
other reason.) If course, just MIME forward the message.

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Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi N.,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:40:27 -0700GMT (03/12/2001, 02:40 +0800GMT),
N. Sean Timm wrote:

NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features
NST of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types

NST I stand by my statement that there can and are valid uses of HTML
NST email that are not malicious, and anything that can be done to
NST enable these, while protecting against the misuse of it (such as
NST only allowing it from those you specify) is a Good Thing.

I agree. Some newsletters are in HTML and that's not a bad idea. (Note
that these are newsletters , not HTML-Email. HTML has nothing to do
with Email, except maybe for an occasional attachment, even though
newsletters are sent via the same ports and protocols as newsletters.)

Here is a suggestion:

Make an option to allow GET commands for emails from trustful sender
addresses, or to download images from trustful servers. This way, the
sender of the newsletter can leave the graphics on his server and does
not need to send billions of additional bytes through the internet to
each recipient. Does this make sense?

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Re: VIRUS as welcome

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi Geek,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:08:20 +0100GMT (03/12/2001, 03:08 +0800GMT),
Geek wrote:

G Well, shortly after my first message to the list I received as
G a welcome the latest virus *APPARENTLY* from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wilhelm Alm).

All of us got it. :-(

Syafril, didn't you have an AV programm installed server side?

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Re: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi Kevin,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:02:05 +GMT (03/12/2001, 04:02 +0800GMT),
Kevin Conlin wrote:

KC The  Virus  is  the  W32.Badtrans  Virus,  Quite a
KC Dangerous  one which goes through the address book
KC and  Emails  all  contacts,

Nonsense. This virus requires Micorsoft Outlook Express. Anybody with
a little sense and an email client that is halfway sensible is immune.
Anyone with an updated virus scanner is immune. Anybody who got hit
deserves to be taken off the internet, as they are obviously too
stupid for simple precautions and therefore create useless traffic,
trying to send this virus to other people who might be stupid enough
to use the only possible configuration und which this virus can do any
harm (OE + no current AV program).

shrug I couldn't care less about BadTrans. It's not dangerous unless
you invite it.

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Re: Virus

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi Jan,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:34:24 -0500GMT (03/12/2001, 06:34 +0800GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR   Does this mean that AVP automatically prevented the
JR   message from downloading to your machine?

That's what PC-Cillin did do.

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Re: Sort Problem

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi Kevin,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:08:44 +GMT (03/12/2001, 04:08 +0800GMT),
Kevin Conlin wrote:

KC I  have a problem with sorting emails... i sort by
KC Received  time,  so  new  ones are to the top, but
KC since  2  days  ago, i have noticed ALL new emails
KC turning  up  about  the  middle  of my Folder, ive
KC tried  to  reset  the  sort  position, but nothing
KC seems to help.

Click on the Received column header. The mails are sorted in ascending
order of receipt. Click again, and they are in descending order of
receipt.

Click on the sender, and they are sorted by sender. And son on.

Also try (in Folder View) View / Sort by.

BTW over here, I have set it as follows:

View / View Thread by / References (Alt+1)
View / Sort by / Creation Time (Crtl+2)
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Re: Global Filters

2001-12-02 Thread Thomas F

Hi Robbie,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:21:25 -0800GMT (03/12/2001, 14:21 +0800GMT),
Robbie Robertson wrote:

RR Is there a way that I can set up a set of folders and filters that can
RR be  accessed  from  any  account?

No, but it has been confirmed that this long-standing with will be
integrated in one of the next versions. :-)

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Re: Sort Problem

2001-12-02 Thread Raj

Kevin,

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, at 20:08:44 [GMT +] (which was 1:38 AM where I live) you
wrote:

KC ALL new emails
KC turning  up  about  the  middle  of my Folder, ive
KC tried  to  reset  the  sort  position, but nothing
KC seems to help.

Is your system clock correct... ??

2  things  - One did you set ur clock forward and download some mails or two has
your clock currently been set back.

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Remove Message from server

2001-12-02 Thread Michal Kozusznik

Hello

  In Account options, is an option: Remove message from server when it
  is removed from trashcan.

  How  it exactly work? When the messages will be removed from server,
  and is it working with another option: Empty trash folder on exit

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