Re: Size of received mail

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello John,

> Is there a way to see the size of a received mail without having the "size"
> column active?

You can see the message size on the top-right corner of the message
pane header (both in preview and View Folder). However, note that this
size will normally be smaller than that shown in the Size column
because it does not account for RFC-822 headers unless you do display
them.

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Re: quick menu (was: Multiple Standard replies - pick list)

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Carsten,

> Daniel had the idea in [1]. I found a much simpler way to get a "quick
> menu" for quick templates:

Very smart indeed, and useful for many things. Thank you. :)

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Re: character setting (OT?)

[Haico]

On 6-4-2002 at 2:05, Luc wrote:

Hi,

>  Can somebody explain me the difference between character set Latin 1
>  and Latin 9?

A big difference is that Latin 9 has the Euro-sign.

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Re: Upgrade Policy

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Greg,

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 01:33:30 -0600GMT (6-4-02, 9:33 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

GS>   What is TB! upgrade policy?  I looked at their web site without luck.
GS>   I'm on the 30 day trial and thought I would ask.

Upgrades are free until 2.0

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Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Haico]

Hi,

I really like the Dutch language interface which recently showed up.
It's very nice to see all the menu's and commands shown in your own
native language. And I can see that it's well thought through. The
words are carefully chosen. Good job!

But I switched back to English since I stumbled on a bug:

When I want to kill dupes in a folder I get this error-message:

"Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument."

Hope that this will be corrected in the next update of
the language pack.

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Re: Mail Merge

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@06 April 2002, 08:55:21 +0200 (07:55 UK time) Ian Petersen wrote in
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>> Yes, sooner or later we will see more VA users here.

> Unless VA, by some miracle, is resurrected from the netherworld. If
> that ever happens I, for one, am probably outta here!

... unless you start using the TB features of TB and not just looking
for ways in which you can emulate VA. TB has some amazing and unique
talents which I have been unable to replace using other clients. It
takes some setting up and getting used to, but now I would find it
very hard to replace it with anything else. Just as you are missing
VA, I guess.

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Re: Upgrade Policy

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, April 6, 2002 at 9:33:30 AM you wrote:

>   What is TB! upgrade policy?  I looked at their web site without luck.
>   I'm on the 30 day trial and thought I would ask.

If you buy 1.6 you'll get all updates within 1.xx for free. Current
planning is to not have any more updates within v1 (except for
bugfixing), because v2 shall be released in the near future - whatever
that could mean.

For v2 there has not been an announcement by RITLabs concerning the
upgrade policy.



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Re: Upgrade Policy

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@06 April 2002, 01:33:30 -0600 (08:33 UK time) Greg Strong wrote in
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>   What is TB! upgrade policy?  I looked at their web site without
>   luck. I'm on the 30 day trial and thought I would ask.

I've been using TB since v1.00 Build 1336 in May 1998 and they have
not released a chargeable upgrade since then. V2 will most likely be
chargeable, but very likely not for those who register 1.60. (That's a
guess).

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Re: F1 key

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Carsten Thönges,
wrote on Saturday, 6th April 2002 at 03:23:17 (GMT +0200),
which was ditto in Bratislava --

SS>> [...] But F2 is supposed to be "Get New Mail" not "Send Now" - I
SS>> don't even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to
SS>> understand why F2 sends my mail.

CT> in the editor F2 means "Send mail". Hm, sort of usability bug IMHO and
CT> a good reason to let TB! ask for "confirmation" of "immediate
CT> sending" (account properties) ;)

Hardly a bug, especially since now you can modify your shortcuts to
whatever pleases you. Over the years, I have developed a loving
relationship towards the F9 key: I love hitting it as many times as
possible. So in all programs that allow it, I assign F9 to whatever
action is most frequently needed for me while working in the program.
And so, the same F9 key on my computer means "Move Message to..." in
TB!'s main window, "Save Message" in TB!'s editor, "Copy Files" in
WinCommander, and "Save All" in all of my text or html editors. (Now
why doesn't Opera allow me to get rid of the obnoxious CTRL+F3
shortcut for viewing source code?) I like the logic behind TB!'s
employment of F2 depending on whether you're reading or composing mail
-- it's one of the few default TB! shortcuts I've left untouched.

On the other hand, there seems to be a genuine bug connected with
keyboard shortcuts, at least on my system, that has been there in all
recent beta versions and in the 1.60 release: if you open multiple
TB! Editor windows, the keyboard shortcuts you had previously assigned
in the Shortcuts Editor only work for the Editor window you open
first; in all the subsequently opened TB! Editor windows TB! reverts
to default TB! Editor keyboard shortcuts, which is a nuisance. I am
currently reduced to having just one TB! Editor window open at any
time. Has anyone else encountered the problem?

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Re[4]: e-mail clients in general

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Peter,

MAU>> See what I mean? VA has been the best for me for 6 years and now is
MAU>> TB!. And specially now that I can also manage newsgroups with TB!

> What do you use for newsgroups?

> I used Agent for both E-mail and newsgroups, but since I
> switched to The Bat I don't like to go back to Agent just
> for news. I am trying mailtraq but have not yet figured out
> how it works.

I do use the free version of MailTraq and it works a treat. Perhaps
not easy to grasp and configure at first, but it's worth the effort.

MailTraq is a quite complete package but I basically just use the News
to Mail and Mail to News gateways, so that I can manage newsgroups as
if they were normal mail lists like this one. The basic idea is that
MailTraq collects my favourite newsgroups from different servers and
converts them to e-mail that is forwarded to one of my accounts. When
I collect this account it is like if news messages where coming from
mail lists, I filter them to different folders and voila! When I want
to post or reply I write a message to the "newsgroup e-mail address"
that MailTraq has set up for each newsgroup, and that I have
configured in the templates for each newsgroup folder. When MailTraq
receives my messages, it converts them appropriately and sends them to
the corresponding news server.

If the list moderator(s) don't consider this OT, I will start a new
thread with subject "Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq", or
something similar, to give more detailed hints on setting up the whole
thing. And, if considered OT, I will send you the details privately.

Until I have time to start this new thread (hopefully later today),
if you haven't seen it already, you may want to take a look at:
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Re: Smart Bat?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Sir!

On Saturday, April 6, 2002 at 7:22:13 AM you wrote:

> After  a  *long* time I've joined the list again. So, I'm not informed
> have you discussed this topic. What *exactly* is the purpose of "Smart
> Bat"  and  how  does  it work? If you did talk about this, please send
> your answers to my private address!

In short, it's a second editor with formatting capabilities good to be
used as a multiple clipboard substitute if one has none.



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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ian,

> Of course. It was a somewhat facetious answer to a rather silly
> question. After all, I have paid for TB and use is now as my primary
> mail-client. But it has a long way to go before it can equal Virtual
> Access for MY needs.

I'm sure you won't regret having paid for TB! :)

Anyway, one of these days I will start suggesting enhancements to TB!
developers. Some of the ones I have in mind are:
  - View Tabs for folder tree
  - Ignoring messages and threads
  - Manual re-threading
  - Possibility of assigning messages to more than 1 colour group
  - and a few more...

I hope you will second me when I do :)

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Re[5]: Mail Merge

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Greg,

> Either here or some where else.  Technology moves forward.  Without
> development where does that leave VA?  I think we both know the answer to
> this question.

Yes, we do. It was a hard decision for me after so many years, but
here I am.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ian,

> Unless VA, by some miracle, is resurrected from the netherworld. If
> that ever happens I, for one, am probably outta here!

I would also probably go back to VA if it was resurrected. But, so
far, I don't believe in miracles.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Jan,

>   Just curious - on what basis would you think this w/o
>   having tried it?

I didn't say I haven't tried it, I said I haven't _used_ it. A slight
difference, but perhaps significant. Just the same that, to me, there
is a difference between "mass mailing" and "mail merge". I have read
all I could find about mass mailing with TB! and set up one, although
I didn't send it.

>   It may well be true. I certainly wouldn't know because
>   I've never used Virtual Access but I'd be interested in
>   hearing how you arrived @ this conclusion given your
>   current TB! experience(s).

OK, let me give you an example. I have a DB/Contact Manager with all
my clients (hundreds, fortunately :) and every months I want to send a
letter (e-mail) to those whose maintenance contract will expire within
one month. Aside of their name and address (e-mail address if done by
e-mail) I need to refer to their UserID, numbers of licenses, date
that the contract expires, the name of the distributor that they have
to contact (or will contact them) and perhaps some other field from
the DB.

You can obviously do this with TB! but it is not straight forward. To
start, each months I would have to export the corresponding list of
clients and create an address book in TB with their name and address.
But, what about the rest of the variable fields I need to include in
the messages?

How did I do it with VA?. I would select those clients whose contract
would expire within one month and export the desired fields to a CSV
file. Any DB I know of can do that.

Now, in VA, I do need to set a template (much like a QT in TB) in
which I can refer to the CSV values by column numbers: %1%, %2%...
%n%. So that if I had exported to CSV file the fields: Name, Email,
Salutation, No. of licenses, Exp. Date, etc., in this order, I could
write my template something like:
--
To: %1% <%2%>
Subject: Maintenance expiration

%3%,

Our records show that the Maintenance contract for your %4% licenses
of Product are due to expire on %5%blah, blah, blah.
--

And now, even without saving the template if I have just composed it,
or by opening in the editor if previously composed, all I have to do
is to click on the "E-mail merge" button which will request the name
of the CSV file and... voila!, there go the umpteen fully customised
messages.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Marck,

> It isn't. TB can only mass mail using the Address Book. You can import
> CSV address lists into an address book group and mass-mail from there.

I assume you have seen my reply to Jan. How do I manage the rest of
the variable fields I want to use in my message? That's why I make a
difference between "mass mailing" and full "mail merge".

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Re: New address

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Wayne,

> no problems with 1.60 out side of when trying to click and
> drag messages to a folder, I lose them and they wind up in other
> folders.

This has happened to me several times but I always thought it was my
mistake when pointing to the target folder. I'll watch more closely in
the future.

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Re: Mail Merge

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@06 April 2002, 12:50:35 +0200 (11:50 UK time) Miguel A. Urech wrote
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>> It isn't. TB can only mass mail using the Address Book. You can
>> import CSV address lists into an address book group and mass-mail
>> from there.

> I assume you have seen my reply to Jan. How do I manage the rest of
> the variable fields I want to use in my message?

I don't know how you do it, but I do it by temporarily abusing an
address book group, using some of the superfluous fields in the
address book to hold the extra data. It can lead to some obtuse
namings but works very well. The %ABTOblahblah macros will allow you
to grab any field from an address book record in the MM Quick
Template. Furthermore, Regular expression and %IF macros allow some
superb per-target programmability. Immensely flexible! The CSV
importer will allow you to map any import column to any address book
field. Importing to a group keeps things separate. I only see a slight
overhead in thought process in setting up the MM QT and an extra
import stage. Other than that, I only see parallel functionality with
potentially superior intelligence available.

I'm not saying it's as easy to use as VA's mail merge. It clearly is
not. I'm just saying that it is just as capable and possibly more so.

> That's why I make a difference between "mass mailing" and full "mail
> merge".

... and that's why I don't .

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Marck,

<..snipped..>
> I'm not saying it's as easy to use as VA's mail merge. It clearly is
> not. I'm just saying that it is just as capable and possibly more so.

You are right, it is not as easy and straight forward as with VA. And
I think I never said it was not possible with TB, I also though about
"cheating" and using many of the hardly used (at least by me) AB
fields. But, if I do that, I will at least need two extra steps:
importing the CSV file into the AB and deleting the AB when finished
as, in my case and example, the next month the addressees will be
different.

I still have to get acquainted with some of the many macros available
in TB! and with RegExp in general. Who knows, maybe there is some
"hidden" way of using the CSV file directly

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Re: character setting (OT?)

[Patrick Hagemann]

Hello Luc!

> Can somebody explain me the difference between character set Latin 1
> and Latin 9?

Have a look at http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin9.html .

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hotmail? & Eudora

[Paul Cartwright]

Hello TBUDL,

  
 I am trying The Bat!, and I haven't found the answer to this, so I
 thought I'd ask. I have a hotmail account, and pull it in to Outlook
 Express now. Can I do that with The Bat! ??
 I have a friend who has Eudora 4.x and he can't seem to import his
 messages into The Bat!, and there is no export feature in that
 version. Any ideas or suggestions for him ?
 Good thing I set this list up for DIGEST, I don't think I could have
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Re: Smart Bat?

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Hello Dierk,

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 1:00:34 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to "Smart Bat?":

> In short, it's a second editor with formatting capabilities good to be
> used as a multiple clipboard substitute if one has none.

If one is to use SmartBat for anything productive, then from my standpoint
we need a Toolbar somewhere that we can turn auto-format off so that we
can start typing the moment SmartBat is opened. As it stands now, if you
have auto-format on... as most do I think... you are at a distinct
disadvantage when using SmartBat unless you come up with a bunch of
keystrokes to turn it off... then remember to turn it back on again. :o(


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Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Sebastian]

Hi there. :)

I read one of Miguel's posts where he was full of praise for Mailtraq.
I got the free version immediately, but I cannot get it to send the
mail to my mailbox.

All the news are in the "outbox" but they don't go anywhere from
there. How do I do this? Where do I specify my send mail transfer
server?

Hope anyone can help, thank you very much,

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Working With Referenced View

[Nick Andriash]

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I am trying to get used to using TB by viewing threads by reference. The
problem I am encountering is on long threads. A message will arrive in my
Folder but the entire thread is bolded, so I have to click my way through
20 messages to find the newest one that arrived. I would like a way to
expand 'only' that thread so I can see at a glance which message just
arrived. Is there an easy way to open a single thread?

The Ctrl+* key opens every single thread in the Folder so that is not an
option for me. I am looking for something like Ctrl+- which will strangely
enough close a single thread, although I would prefer the single click of
a Toolbar button. ;o)


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Re: Mail Merge

[Ian Petersen]

Marck,

> TB has some amazing and unique talents which I have been unable to
> replace using other clients

Undoubtedly. TB is certainly capable, in many ways, of a lot more than
VA ever has been. My main gripe with TB is many of its talents
are very difficult or long-winded to use and so poorly documented that
I, for one, simply give up trying to figure them out.

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Re: hotmail? & Eudora

[Haico]

On 6-4-2002 at 14:00, Paul Cartwright wrote:

Hi Paul,

>  I am trying The Bat!, and I haven't found the answer to this, so I
>  thought I'd ask. I have a hotmail account, and pull it in to Outlook
>  Express now. Can I do that with The Bat! ??

No you can't. TB! cannot fetch mail from a http-server.

If you really want to do this you can prob. use an external program like
http://pop3hot.com/. The downside is that you have to pay for it. I
was on a pegasus-user-list for a while and this question popped up
frequently..  And I've never heard of a free program which can do this.

(never used it myself btw)

>  I have a friend who has Eudora 4.x and he can't seem to import his
>  messages into The Bat!, and there is no export feature in that
>  version. Any ideas or suggestions for him ?

Hmm.. TB! has an import-feature for Eudora.. If that doesn't work.. I
don't know what will.. The mail-inbox wizard has an option for Eudora.

>  Good thing I set this list up for DIGEST, I don't think I could have
>  handled 100 messages in my inbox !

hmm.. If you made a filter for this list, for directing mail to a
specific folder, you can keep your inbox clean.

Kind regards,
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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Ian Petersen]

Miguel,

> I'm sure you won't regret having paid for TB!

No, I don't regret it at all.

And yes, your suggestions will certainly get my support. I have plenty
of suggestions too, but I'll leave that for another day.

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Re: Working With Referenced View

[Haico]

On 6-4-2002 at 15:22, Nick Andriash wrote:

Hi Nick,

> The Ctrl+* key opens every single thread in the Folder so that is not an
> option for me. I am looking for something like Ctrl+- which will strangely
> enough close a single thread, although I would prefer the single click of
> a Toolbar button. ;o)

You can use Ctrl++ ;-)

Greetings,
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Re: Working With Referenced View

[John Seymour]

Hello Nick

NA> The Ctrl+* key opens every single thread in the Folder so that is not an
NA> option for me. I am looking for something like Ctrl+- which will strangely
NA> enough close a single thread, although I would prefer the single click of
NA> a Toolbar button. ;o)

CTRL+Plus expands the current thread. CTRL+Minus contracts the current
thread.HTH

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Re: Size of received mail

[Nick Andriash]

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Hello Miguel,

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 12:31:02 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to "Size of received mail":

> You can see the message size on the top-right corner of the message pane
> header (both in preview and View Folder). However, note that this size
> will normally be smaller than that shown in the Size column because it
> does not account for RFC-822 headers unless you do display them.

You are right... and I am amazed at how big a percentage of that size is
attributable to those headers. Perhaps we could dispense with a lot of the
redundant Headers to keep message size to a respectable level.


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Re: Working With Referenced View

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Nick,

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 05:22:55 -0800GMT (6-4-02, 15:22 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

NA> Is there an easy way to open a single thread?

 Yep. <+>

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Re: Working With Referenced View

[Nick Andriash]

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Hello John,

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 5:34:25 AM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to "Working With Referenced View":

> CTRL+Plus expands the current thread. CTRL+Minus contracts the current
> thread.HTH

Thank you. :o)


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Re: hotmail? & Eudora

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Paul,

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:00:43 -0500GMT (6-4-02, 14:00 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:
  
PC>  I am trying The Bat!, and I haven't found the answer to this, so I
PC>  thought I'd ask. I have a hotmail account, and pull it in to Outlook
PC>  Express now. Can I do that with The Bat! ??

No, you can't poll your Hotmail account with TB. TB needs a pop3 or
imap server. While hotmail uses a proprietary protocol. There are
tools though, that can poll your hotmail account and offer a pop3
server for TB. Can't remember any names for these programs, since I
don't use them myself. (No hotmail)

PC>  I have a friend who has Eudora 4.x and he can't seem to import his
PC>  messages into The Bat!, and there is no export feature in that
PC>  version. Any ideas or suggestions for him ?

I thought TB's import manager supported Eudora, but I don't know which
versions.

PC>  Good thing I set this list up for DIGEST, I don't think I could have
PC>  handled 100 messages in my inbox !

The trick is to keep them out of your inbox. Create a folder and
filter all messages from this list to that folder.

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Re: character setting (OT?)

[Luc]

 Good afternoon Patrick,

It was foretold that on 6-4-2002 @ 13:50:32 GMT+0200 (which was 13:50
where I live) Patrick Hagemann wrote and spread these wise comments on
"character setting (OT?)":
  

PH> Have a look at http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin9.html .

 Tnx !!

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Re: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Sebastian,

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:07:29 +0200GMT (6-4-02, 15:07 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

S> I read one of Miguel's posts where he was full of praise for Mailtraq.
S> I got the free version immediately, but I cannot get it to send the
S> mail to my mailbox.

I'll post an answer on TBOT, since the setup of a mail server is
somewhat off topic here.

There is a mailtraq support forum, send an e-mail
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Re: hotmail? & Eudora

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Roelof!

On Saturday, April 6, 2002 at 3:39:50 PM you wrote:

> I thought TB's import manager supported Eudora, but I don't know which
> versions.

If not, just use Export from Eudora to Unix (MBX?) or CSV (text file)
and import it into TB! by its own facility for those.

PC>>  Good thing I set this list up for DIGEST, I don't think I could have
PC>>  handled 100 messages in my inbox !

Why not? I do filter them but all of the TB! list's related material
ends up in one folder - TB!'s. No problem.



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Re: Smart Bat?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Nick!

On Saturday, April 6, 2002 at 2:59:19 PM you wrote:

> As it stands now, if you have auto-format on... as most do I
> think... you are at a distinct disadvantage when using SmartBat
> unless you come up with a bunch of keystrokes to turn it off... then
> remember to turn it back on again. :o(

Since I have - until my idea of using SmartBat as the PGP verification
container - not used it except for some tests (I do have Multiple
Clipboard installed), I don't know about that. I'm quite sure that you
are right.

I just wanted to say, actually, that I don't use Auto-format. Maybe I
have to test it again. I can't remember why I switched it off, but
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Re: Working With Referenced View

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, 7:22:55 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

>  A message will arrive in my Folder but the entire thread is bolded,
> so I have to click my way through 20 messages to find the newest one
> that arrived.
Besides the answers you already got, ctrl-right arrow will get you
straight to the next unread message in the thread (and then off to the
next thread as well)

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Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello all,

As I have promised to some of you, and because I think it may be of
interest to many others, here it goes!

"How to set up MailTraq4Free (http://www.mailtraq.com) to manage
newsgroups from The Bat!"

Before starting, two notes:
   - The procedure explained below assumes you have just installed
   MailTraq. If you have been fiddling with it trying to configure
   it without success, it may be worth un-stalling and starting
   from scratch.
   - Because I have a network and my own mail server, my actual
   configuration may be a little different. But I have written the
   procedure below as I was actually configuring MailTraq in a
   stand alone machine.

Here we go. It is a long one:

Install MailTraq in your system and, as soon as installation is
complete, the "Getting Started Wizard" should automatically start. If
you have MailTraq already installed, you can start the "Getting
Started Wizard" from the Help menu, so do so now.

1.- Setting your Primary Domain Name

This is done in Server Properties, which you can get to by clicking
Server... in the Options menu

Enter your domain, if you have one, or your ISP's (the @domain.com of
one of your accounts)

2.- click on the LAN tab  to move to Step 2.

If you are not in a network, enter 127.0.0.*

If you are, your are probably using 192.168.0.* for the IP
addresses or your machines.

3.- Skip step 3.

4.- Skip step 4 (select last option of the wizard)

5.- Create a new user as per step 5 of wizard. (File/Create new user)
A new wizard starts:

- Create a new user in MailTraq and click NEXT
- Use your account (user name) (maybe a fake one?)
- Yes, create a mailbox for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and NEXT
- Do NOT enable forwarding. NEXT.
- Do not include any aliases. NEXT.
- Finish

6.- I am assuming direct connection by DSL, cable, etc. Can't test dial up myself.

So, Finish to finish the wizard.

7.- Select Options/server Properties and Online tab
Select Direct/permanent connection (in my case, you may have
to configure Dial Up)

8.- Select Options/News
Select the News Servers tab.

  Click Add and add your news server(s) of choice. For
  example, I use "News.CIS.DFN.DE".
  
  On the News Server Properties enter News.CIS.DFN.DE
Select "Retrieve a full list of newsgroups" if not
selected by default.
And maybe set up every how many minutes you do want to
collect news from this server.

  On the Connection Properties tab, enter your UserID and
  password if required by your server of choice. Most ISP's
  news servers don't, but News.CIS.DFN.DE does require a user
  and password.
  
  Click OK.

9.- Back on the News Properties dialog, select the News Collection tab
and select "News Collection Enabled".

10.- The NNTP client will probably start by itself in a few seconds to
collect the list of newsgroups in the server. If it doesn't, Select
Actions/Collect News.

11.- Once the NNTP Clients has finished (you can see this on MailTraq
Console if you have "Active Connections" selected on the left pannel),
select Options/Newsgroups:
The News Groups Subscription dialog will open and, on the
Groups on server tab you will see the complete tree (list) of
newsgroups available on your server.
- Select one from the list, or use the Search for window to
for one you know about and click Find. Once the name of your
desired groups is displayed below, (I suggest that for the
first time, until your get everything working, you select a
NOT TOO ACTIVE newsgroup from the ones you are familiar with.)

 When the desired group is displayed in the Found window,
 click Go To and it will be highlighted in the tree below.
 
 Click and the newsgroup and the Subscribe button on the right
 will be activated.
 
 Click on Subscribe and then on the Properties button below to
 open the group Properties.
 
   The Properties tab should be filled in by default.
   
   Select the Download tab and (for the first trial) select
   
   Override Default Properties.
  Select (tick) Ignore Articles older than ... a few days.
  30, the default, may be too much.
  
  You may also want to set now the number of days the
  articles will be kept at your "local news server"
  (MailTraq). I have mine set to 2 days.
  
  A NOTE of caution here. the "Only download up to" XX
  "most recent articles per session" does not mean it
  will download the last XX articles. As far as I have
  seen, 

Re: F2 key (was F1 key)

[Shauna Scott]

Hello Avenarius,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 2:40:32 AM, you wrote:

> A Bat-fellow, Carsten Thönges,
> wrote on Saturday, 6th April 2002 at 03:23:17 (GMT +0200),
> which was ditto in Bratislava --

> SS>> [...] But F2 is supposed to be "Get New Mail" not "Send Now" - I
> SS>> don't even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to
> SS>> understand why F2 sends my mail.

> CT> in the editor F2 means "Send mail". Hm, sort of usability bug IMHO and
> CT> a good reason to let TB! ask for "confirmation" of "immediate
> CT> sending" (account properties) ;)

> Hardly a bug, especially since now you can modify your shortcuts to
> whatever pleases you. Over the years, I have developed a loving
> relationship towards the F9 key: I love hitting it as many times as
> possible. So in all programs that allow it, I assign F9 to whatever
> action is most frequently needed for me while working in the program.
> And so, the same F9 key on my computer means "Move Message to..." in
> TB!'s main window, "Save Message" in TB!'s editor, "Copy Files" in
> WinCommander, and "Save All" in all of my text or html editors. (Now
> why doesn't Opera allow me to get rid of the obnoxious CTRL+F3
> shortcut for viewing source code?) I like the logic behind TB!'s
> employment of F2 depending on whether you're reading or composing mail
> -- it's one of the few default TB! shortcuts I've left untouched.

It seems strange to me that the same key would have opposite uses
depending on which screen you're on. Also, I can't find anything that
tells me F2 means Send Now in the editor window - the menu says the
shortcut is Ctrl-Enter, the help file says the shortcut is Shift-F2
(actually the help file reverses the Send Now and Queue in Outbox
shortcuts - presumably a typo). Neither refer to F2. In fact until I
discovered (2 minutes ago) the separate short-cut editor for the
editor window (I had foolishly assumed there would be only one for the
whole program), I couldn't figure out what was meant by "in the editor
F2 means "Send mail". I don't see how anyone would know that except by
stumbling across it by accident, as I did. In any case, it seems to me
that a single key "Send Now" command is a recipe for disaster - it's
way too easy to strike a single key by mistake. I've now disabled it,
but I think it's at least a design fault that the menus don't display
F2 as the shortcut for 'Send Now" (if only so that people who hit it
by mistake can figure out what happened to their message).

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Re[2]: Size of received mail

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Nick,

> You are right... and I am amazed at how big a percentage of that size is
> attributable to those headers. Perhaps we could dispense with a lot of the
> redundant Headers to keep message size to a respectable level.

I'm afraid it is not easy to get rid of the RFC-822 headers. But we
could all contribute a bit to reduce overhead by not repeating
information that is already in the headers normally displayed, and by
just quoting the necessary paragraphs to give proper context to our
replies. After all, we are all using TB! which allows threading by
reference and makes it almost unnecessary to quote anything when
replying to a list like this one.

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Re: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Sebastian,

> I read one of Miguel's posts where he was full of praise for Mailtraq.
> I got the free version immediately, but I cannot get it to send the
> mail to my mailbox.

I have just sent a message to the list to start a new thread with
Subject: "Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq". Take a look at it.

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Outgoing filter for mailing lists.

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Miguel,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 12:00:59 AM, you wrote to TBUDL:

MAU> for mail lists, you don't need an outgoing filter (or if you use
MAU> it you can send messages directly to trash) because you will get
MAU> your own message back from the list.

I make a subfolder for my mailinglists for my outgoing messages to the
list and filter them into this. Under account properties for this
folder I have automatic deletion of messages after a couple of days.
This way I have some control whether my messages makes it to the list,
and I can easily resend in case of problems, and I keep my Sent-folder
slim.

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Re: Outgoing filter for mailing lists.

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ottar,

> I make a subfolder for my mailinglists for my outgoing messages to the
> list and filter them into this. Under account properties for this
> folder I have automatic deletion of messages after a couple of days.
> This way I have some control whether my messages makes it to the list,
> and I can easily resend in case of problems, and I keep my Sent-folder
> slim.

I must admit it is not a bad idea. However, in my case, I already have
over 260 folders in my tree and I refuse to create new ones if I don't
really have to.

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Replying to ReplyTo

[Daniel Grunberg]

TheBat! uses the original From address and not the original ReplyTo
address, even when there is an original ReplyTo address.

Is there something I must do to enable replies to the ReplyTo address?


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Re: F2 key (was F1 key)

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Shauna Scott,
wrote on Saturday, 6th April 2002 at 09:28:23 (GMT -0700),
which was 18:28 in Bratislava --

SS> It seems strange to me that the same key would have opposite uses
SS> depending on which screen you're on. Also, I can't find anything that
SS> tells me F2 means Send Now in the editor window - the menu says the
SS> shortcut is Ctrl-Enter, the help file says the shortcut is Shift-F2
SS> (actually the help file reverses the Send Now and Queue in Outbox
SS> shortcuts - presumably a typo). Neither refer to F2.

Some of the TB! menus can be extremely confusing. Especially since the
behaviour of F2 versus SHIFT+F2 depends upon what option you select
in your Account | Properties | Transport | Delivery: Immediate /
Deferred. F2 assumes the role of SHIFT+F2 and vice versa, depending on
what you select here, and this may vary from account to account.

If you look at this screenshot -- which is the current configuration
of keyboard shortcuts in my editor: www.avenarius.sk/misc/short.png --
it is totally confusing. I don't know what the hell the entries are
supposed to mean -- how come there's a double entry for one item, with
two different shortcuts shown that however produce *different* results
on my system? In spite of the confusion I've somehow succeeded in
configuring the Editor's behaviour to my satisfaction, which is F2 =
queue in outbox, SHIFT+F2 = send immediately, with the Deferred
Delivery option selected. CTRL+ENTER equally queues in outbox, but I
don't use it. Unfortunately the CTRL+ENTER shortcut refuses to get
deleted or relocated on this machine; it gets restored for its default
menu item every time you open another message to edit. And it is true
that, as you say, F2 is shown nowhere among the regular "Message" menu
items.

SS> I couldn't figure out what was meant by "in the editor F2 means
SS> "Send mail". I don't see how anyone would know that except by
SS> stumbling across it by accident, as I did.

Guess all of us did! It's a fantastic achievement for Ritlabs to be
offering configurable keyboard shortcuts in 1.60 (the original rumour
had it this would only be incorporated in Version 2 for which you need
to re-register) but it would probably offend no one if the current
Keyboard Shortcuts Editor were completely redesigned from scratch for
Version 2. (For instance, a useful currently missing option is
"Restore All Defaults". Or, in the manner of DreamWeaver 4, the option
to save any particular set of keyboard shortcuts and the ability to
switch between such sets effortlessly from within the application.) In
fact the most recent rumour has it that Version2 will indeed feature a
completely redisigned Keyboard Shortcuts Editor along with the ability
for each user to completely redesign the appearance of all menus. So
our unease about the missing F2 menu item shouldn't last beyond the
appearance of V2.

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My bat is Sick

[Fusiontunes Productions]

Greetings.
My Bat is dumping files into my c/windows/temp  folder quiet frequently.
Each time it does my virus program tells me that the "Bat File" has a 
MIMEexploit virus. If I dont keep the folder cleared it starts to put them 
on my desktop.
Im pretty sure I didnt open any viruses. My virus program wouldnt let me if 
I tried.
I do have the security updates installed for win 98 that deals with the 
mimeexploit virus.
However my virus program cant seem to solve the problem.
Is my Bat doomed..?? Or do I just have a weird email in there somwhere..?? 
Or is my computer about to blow up..??
Best Regards
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Re: Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq

[N. Sean Timm]

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 9:25:39 AM, Miguel wrote:

> Hello all,

> As I have promised to some of you, and because I think it may be of
> interest to many others, here it goes!

> "How to set up MailTraq4Free (http://www.mailtraq.com) to manage
> newsgroups from The Bat!"

Thanks for the detailed instructions, Miguel.  This rocks!

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Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  Does TB! have bookmark capabilities?  This is basically a way to
  reference individual message by subject.

  I should explain.  I am using TB! on 30 day trial.  I was a VA user.  In
  VA you could search messages in a folder or bookmark individual messages.
  The results would be held in a container referred to as a bookmark.  You
  could also bookmark individual messages to whatever bookmark was
  selected at the time.  In VA you keep up to 20 bookmarks at a time.  If
  you clicked the message in the bookmark you would jump to the message.
  In short it was a good way to keep track of messages that were of
  importance to you for one reason or another.  Nice feature especially if
  you are learning about a subject matter and want to be able to reference
  resources in the future.

  Since VA is no longer developed I am using Agent for news groups.  In
  Agent there is a work around.  The work around has no limitations as VA
  had with bookmarks, but it wasn't as quick and easy either.  In Agent
  you do a global search.  You review the results and copy the message ID,
  then you create a new message with whatever description you want then
  simply paste the message ID in your descriptive text and save the
  message.  In the future you simply review your descriptive text in your
  saved message and "jump to" the message ID when you want to get to the
  source.

  If TB! capable, it would be a great way to reference messages in this
  mail list to learn TB!  Thanks!

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Re[2]: Working With Referenced View

[Greg Strong]

Hello Dwight,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 10:12:59 AM, you wrote:

>>  A message will arrive in my Folder but the entire thread is bolded,
>> so I have to click my way through 20 messages to find the newest one
>> that arrived.
DAC> Besides the answers you already got, ctrl-right arrow will get you
DAC> straight to the next unread message in the thread (and then off to the
DAC> next thread as well)

Works great!

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Re: My bat is Sick

[John Seymour]

Hello Fusiontunes

FP> Im pretty sure I didnt open any viruses. My virus program wouldnt let me if 
FP> I tried.
FP> I do have the security updates installed for win 98 that deals with the 
FP> mimeexploit virus.
FP> However my virus program cant seem to solve the problem.
FP> Is my Bat doomed..?? Or do I just have a weird email in there somwhere..?? 
FP> Or is my computer about to blow up..??
FP> Best Regards
FP> Fusiontunes

Run dispatch mail on server, see if you can identify the infected
e-mail and delete it from the server. Your antivirus is not letting
the download complete, because there is a virus there, therefore TB!
is not able to delete it from the server.HTH

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Re: hotmail? & Eudora

[Paddy L]

Hello Paul,
Saturday, April 6, 2002, 4:00:43 AM, you wrote:

PC>  I am trying The Bat!, and I haven't found the answer to this, so I
PC>  thought I'd ask. I have a hotmail account, and pull it in to Outlook
PC>  Express now. Can I do that with The Bat! ??

You can use Web2pop with the TB!. Since OperaMail DC'd its POP feature,
I'm been using Web2 to get my OperaMail messages. It's shareware though,
and the download speed is a bit slower than straight POP.

Web2 is pre-loaded with Hotmail & Yahoo DLLs. You need the OutBlaze DLL
for OperaMail. Other DLLs are available for other webmailers.

30 day trial. Not crippled.

http://www.jmasoftware.com/english/index.ht

Web2Pop "Personal Edition" 1.0.3.8 for Win 9x/ME, Windows 2000, Win NT
4.0 17.95 USD

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Re: hotmail? & Eudora

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 6:00:43 AM, you wrote:

PC> I have a hotmail account, and pull it in to Outlook
PC>  Express now. Can I do that with The Bat! ??

I believe there are add-on program.  I have not tried them, but have
hotmail and references from another source.

http://www.jmasoftware.com/english/index.html

http://pop3hot.com/

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CryptoAPI advapi32.dll on win98

[Oleg Titov]

Hello tbudl,
   I am continuing some test to figure out what is the problem with my
   CryptoAPI installation, so I would like to ask those fellows who
   have Win98 (preferably SE) to send me an information on
   advapi32.dll they have.

   I need the file size and its version (use right click, Properties,
   second screen to detect the version). The file is in
   :\windows\system

   Thanks!

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Re[2]: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Greg Strong]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 8:05:27 AM, you wrote:

RO> I'll post an answer on TBOT, since the setup of a mail server is
RO> somewhat off topic here.


I looked at the Ritlabs web site,
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/support.html, and there was no reference to
TBOT.  How do you join?  TIA!

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Re: My bat is Sick

[Geoff Lane]

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 8:41:00 PM, Fusiontunes Productions wrote:

> Im pretty sure I didnt open any viruses. My virus program wouldnt let me if 
> I tried.
> I do have the security updates installed for win 98 that deals with the 
> mimeexploit virus.
> However my virus program cant seem to solve the problem.
> Is my Bat doomed..?? Or do I just have a weird email in there somwhere..?? 
> Or is my computer about to blow up..??
---

The issue is that TB! creates the temporary file during the download
process and must complete processing that file before it can process
the next message. Your AV software detects the virus in the temporary
file and that stops TB.

If you have Norton 2000 or 2001, I've written instructions on how to
configure both NAV and TB to offer best protection while allowing TB
to complete downloading. You can find this at
http://www.gjctech.co.uk/misc/batnav.html 

If you have other AV software, you should use the Dispatcher in TB to
download the headers, identify the offending message, then delete it
from the server.

HTH,

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Re[2]: My bat is Sick

[Greg Strong]

Hello Geoff,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 2:26:13 PM, you wrote:

GL> If you have Norton 2000 or 2001, I've written instructions on how to
GL> configure both NAV and TB to offer best protection while allowing TB
GL> to complete downloading. You can find this at
GL> http://www.gjctech.co.uk/misc/batnav.html 

Are these instructions applicable to NAV 2002?  TIA!

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Re[2]: Multiple Standard replies - pick list

[Jon Lawrance]

Hello Daniel,

Too longwinded. I need something fast. My existing ReplyAssitant
software is faster.

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Best regards,
 Jon 

Friday, April 5, 2002, 10:29:01 PM, you wrote:

DG> on Friday, April 5, 2002, 10:51:45 AM, Peter Meyns  wrote:

>> Jon Lawrance wrote the following about "Multiple Standard replies -
>> pick list":

JL>>> The problem with using a handle is remembering it. I must have about
JL>>> 30 templates I want to use on a regular basis and I just can't
JL>>> remember them all.

>> Here's what I would do: have a list of the quick templates on paper
>> to quickly find the handle, type it in and hit ctrl + space. After
>> all, your fingers are already on the keyboard when you edit a
>> message...

DG> How about keeping a quick template that is a DOUBLE-SPACED list of
DG> your 30 quick templates.  That way you'll only have to remember one
DG> handle, instead of 30. (It might be useful to make an extra entry at
DG> the end of the list, that will be easy to find later, perhaps a string
DG> of = signs.)  Then, when you want to include a listed template in a
DG> message:

DG> 1. Type the list's handle, hit Ctrl+Space.

DG> 2. Find the handle of the template you really need and copy it.

DG> 3. Put the cursor at the end of the extra entry (remember the string
DG> of = signs), and hit Enter twice.

DG> 4. Paste the handle you copied, hit Ctrl+Space.

DG> 5. Highlight and delete the list, and the extra space below the end of
DG> the list.

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Re: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Greg,
 
06. april 2002, 22:00:58, you wrote:

GS> I looked at the Ritlabs web site,
GS> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/support.html, and there was no reference to
GS> TBOT.  How do you join?  TIA!

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i want to do an automatic backup

[onetelmail]

Is it possible to do an automatic backup of the bat ?

if not i would like to be able to use the command line, a thebat.exe
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Re: My bat is Sick

[Geoff Lane]

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 9:43:15 PM, Greg Strong wrote:

> Are these instructions applicable to NAV 2002?  TIA!
---

Unfortunately, no. Symantec removed the virtual POP3 server in NAV
2002. FWIW, Symantec UK could not tell me how to configure NAV 2002 so
that my mail software could perform unattended downloads.
Additionally, they said that they were not able to sell me additional
licenses for NAV 2001 that I already had, so I ended up getting "old
stock" from softwaresavings.co.uk to protect two additional machines
on my network.

Personally, I'm sad to see the removal of functionality in this way.

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Re: Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Miguel,

Thanks for the detailed, but brief instructions. it was
excellent and easy to follow, it was a cake to complete it.

You should do this (write instructions, manuals)
processionally.

I only run into one problem: "Select Mail gateway..." I had
to go to each newsgroup and complete for each one-by-one.
Could not find a default setting (the default in that
section is for the incoming groups, how many, how often
etc)but have not find a default from Mailtaq to Bat. maybe
there is one somewhere.

Thanks again for your careful instructions.

Peter

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 11:25:39 AM, you wrote:

MAU> As I have promised to some of you, and because I think it may be of
MAU> interest to many others, here it goes!

MAU> "How to set up MailTraq4Free (http://www.mailtraq.com) to manage
MAU> newsgroups from The Bat!"



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Re: quick menu (was: Multiple Standard replies - pick list)

[Paddy L]

Hello Carsten,

On Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 14:15:41 you wrote:

CT> Here is the quick template you should use for mails you have to
CT> reply to in different ways using some canned answers:

This is canned reply #1.

*
Un-canned comment:

Great suggestion.

I think I will have many uses for these templates.

Only thing that caused me some confusion was the:
"%AbOFromFirstName="%OFromFirstName""
macro for the original sender's name.

I never have used the ABnnnPP macros. Changing to "%OFromFirstName"
works fine for me.

Many thanks.
*

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Re: Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Greg,

> Does TB! have bookmark capabilities?

No, not as we have known bookmarks in VA. The closest to bookmarks are
Colour Groups, but there are some differences and limitations.

Basically, you can define a Colour Groups with a handle (name) and the
foreground and background colours and fonts that will be used for read
and unread messages belonging to that group when displayed in the
message list pane. If you forget a bit about the the rainbow
combinations you can make with so many colour definitions, you can use
Colour Groups much like you used bookmarks in VA... with some
limitations.

Basically, you can assign a message to a Group (must be already
defined) if you select the message in the message list pane, right
click and select Colour Group from the context menu and a groups from
the submenu that pops up (or from File/Colour Group).

What are the basic differences to bookmarks? That I can recall:

- There is no actual "container" (as you call it) for each Colour
Group, so you cannot pick a group from a list to "open" it and see the
list of messages "in" that group. Colour Groups if an attribute of
each message. However, there are workarounds. You can for example do a
Message Search (Tools/Search or F7) and search for a , and on
the Advanced tab of the Message Finder select "Message colour is" and
select the group from the list. Click start and, quite quickly, you
will get the list of messages "in that colour group".

- You can use this Message Search much in the way you mention in your
message about bookmarks. Search for the message of interest and, once
displayed in the list of the Results tab, select all (by right click
Select All or Ctrl+A) and then right click and assign to your Group of
choice.

- Because Colour Group is an attribute of each message, and not like
bookmarks a "container" that list all messages in it, you can only
assign a message to ONLY ONE group while in VA you could assign a
message to any number of bookmarks. Quite a limitation for me.

- As far as I know there is no limitation to the number of groups you
can define, while in Va you could only define 20 bookmarks.

- There is no Colour Group flag or icon displayed in the message list
plane like there was for bookmarks in VA. Instead, you can see the
colour(s) (foreground and/or background) and fonts you selected when
you defined the different groups.

I've got used to colour groups already and use them quite a bit (most
of them without defining any colour at all), and the only serious
limitation I have found is that messages can just be assigned to ONLY
ONE group. For example, if I have three groups named: For_Reply,
Action and For_Reference, why can't I assign a message to the three of
them?

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Re: My bat is Sick

[Fusiontunes Productions]

Hello.
The Bat collects mail for me from 5 different servers. I went to each and 
wiped all my emails on the server.
That seems to have cured the problem.
Thanks.
Fusiontunes


>Run dispatch mail on server, see if you can identify the infected
>e-mail and delete it from the server. Your antivirus is not letting
>the download complete, because there is a virus there, therefore TB!
>is not able to delete it from the server.HTH
>
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Re[2]: Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Peter,

> Thanks for the detailed, but brief instructions. it was
> excellent and easy to follow, it was a cake to complete it.

So that means you got it working, right?

> You should do this (write instructions, manuals)
> processionally.

Are you suggesting that RITLabs pays me for writing TB!'s HELP? ;)

> I only run into one problem: "Select Mail gateway..." I had
> to go to each newsgroup and complete for each one-by-one.

Yes, you have to do it for each newsgroup you join.

> Thanks again for your careful instructions.

You owe me a beer now ;-)

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Re: Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

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On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:49:51 -0600, Greg Strong [GS] wrote these
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...
GS> Does TB! have bookmark capabilities? This is basically a way to
GS> reference individual message by subject.



GS> If TB! capable, it would be a great way to reference messages in
GS> this mail list to learn TB! Thanks!

TB! has functionality that can give you similar results. With the use
of message flagging and colour groups, in combination with the
advanced filtering applet, you can easily mark messages and find them
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Re: Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

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MAU> - There is no actual "container" (as you call it) for each Colour
MAU> Group, so you cannot pick a group from a list to "open" it and see the
MAU> list of messages "in" that group.

Have you looked at the Advanced Filtering panel?

View/Display/Advanced Filtering.

You can choose the colour group among other things you desire and have
only those messages in the particular messages list displayed.

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Re: Replying to ReplyTo

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Daniel,

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:56:36 -0500GMT (6-4-02, 19:56 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

DG> TheBat! uses the original From address and not the original ReplyTo
DG> address, even when there is an original ReplyTo address.

DG> Is there something I must do to enable replies to the ReplyTo address?

TB's default behaviour is to use the replyto address for replies. You
might have created a reply template that does otherwise. You might
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Re[2]: Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 5:01:13 PM, you wrote:

GS>> Does TB! have bookmark capabilities? This is basically a way to
GS>> reference individual message by subject.

ACM> 

GS>> If TB! capable, it would be a great way to reference messages in
GS>> this mail list to learn TB! Thanks!

I apologize if you feel I was degrading TB!.  This was not my intention!
Fortunate or unfortunate depending upon your perspective.  Fortunate for
TB! because I most like will become a register user.  Unfortunate for me
because I am forced to learn a new interface when I was familiar and
comfortable with VA.

I will admit that when learning the new interface and capabilities, I will
ALWAYS measure it against other applications used for similar
circumstances.  I do not mean to offend those long time users of TB!.
>From a development perspective all relevant input into a feature set of a
software product benefits ALL users.

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Re[3]: Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 4:58:05 PM, you wrote:

MAU> You owe me a beer now ;-)

I'm glad to see you have NOT changed!

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Sending Mail from Outbox?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TB!,

  I am getting a message that there are no messages to send when 2 are in
  the Outbox.  I used the send command per help and also used the "Send &
  check for all" without luck.  I used the Cntrl + S command to save the
  message.  Per help:

  "If you have any queued mail in Outbox, you can use the Send queued
  mail command (). Once again, if the messages are not sent
  (i.e. the messages are not moved from the Outbox folder to Sent mail
  or whichever folder is indicated by a relevant Sorting rule),
  examine the account's log ().

  I would think something is set up in error.  Any ideals?

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Re[2]: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jernej,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 3:42:49 PM, you wrote:

JS> Send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Roel]

Hi Haico

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:11:44 +0200GMT
   (which was 6/04/2002, 11:11 +0200GMT for me),
you wrote:

H> When I want to kill dupes in a folder I get this error-message:

H> "Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument."

I can confirm that, but the 'kill dupes in all folders' ("verwijder
duplicaten in alle mappen") does work as expected :-)

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Re: Sending Mail from Outbox?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Greg,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 7:13:55 PM, you wrote:

GS> I would think something is set up in error.  Any ideals?

Yes.  Account | Properties | Transport | Deferred (Cntl+Shift+P) must be
selected.  No Hour Glass (i.e. draft mode) on the message.  Use the
Cntl+Enter key to put in the Outbox.  If you close the message it will be
save in draft mode and will NOT be sent.  I think that should change the
default TB! set up to processing all outbound messages at the same time.
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Makes sense.  It depends upon how you want to use the e-mail
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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, 7:30:43 PM, Roel wrote:

H>> When I want to kill dupes in a folder I get this error-message:

H>> "Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument."

> I can confirm that

Not here. I just killed three dups in this folder successfully.

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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Matt Thoene]

Quick question...couldn't find it in the archives...

I would like to use a different character than ">" when quoting
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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Luc]

 Good morning Matt,

It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 18:24:22 GMT-0800 (which was 4:24
where I live) Matt Thoene wrote and spread these wise comments on
"Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.":
  

MT> I would like to use a different character than ">" when quoting
MT> replies.

Depends on the style you are looking: you can either set it in the
account properties -->templates -->reply: none (= >) or initials, full
name,.

If you want a self determined character you can use the following
macro:

QUOTESTYLE = "expression"

Specifies the quotation prefix to be used following execution of this macro.
The expression can be any of the following:
NONEuse an empty prefix (the standard)
I   use the initials of the sender of the original message (the default)
IF  use the first initial of the sender of the original message
N   use the full name of the sender of the original message
F   use the first name of the sender of the original message
L   use the last name of the sender of the original message
=text   use the "text" as the prefix, e.g. %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"

This last option "text" is what you are looking for i guess.

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Slashdot & TB!

[Paddy L]

Hello TBUDL,

There's quite a thread going on Slashdot; re: best e-mail client.

TB!is being praised and dissected.

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quotestyles

[Matt Thoene]

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, 6:37:43 PM, you wrote:

>  Good morning Matt,

> It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 18:24:22 GMT-0800 (which was 4:24
> where I live) Matt Thoene wrote and spread these wise comments on
> "Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.":
  
> 
MT>> I would like to use a different character than ">" when quoting
MT>> replies.

> Depends on the style you are looking: you can either set it in the
> account properties -->templates -->reply: none (= >) or initials, full
> name,.

> If you want a self determined character you can use the following
> macro:

> QUOTESTYLE = "expression"

> Specifies the quotation prefix to be used following execution of this macro.
> The expression can be any of the following:
> NONEuse an empty prefix (the standard)
> I   use the initials of the sender of the original message (the default)
> IF  use the first initial of the sender of the original message
> N   use the full name of the sender of the original message
> F   use the first name of the sender of the original message
> L   use the last name of the sender of the original message
> =text   use the "text" as the prefix, e.g. %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"

> This last option "text" is what you are looking for i guess.

I did try this with no luck.  Also, I apologize for using an unrelated
subject line as well.  I'll keep messing with it.

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Re: quotestyles

[Luc]

 Good morning Matt,

It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 18:44:43 GMT-0800 (which was 4:44
where I live) Matt Thoene wrote and spread these wise comments on
"quotestyles":
  

MT> I did try this with no luck.

 How did you set it up?

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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Dave Goodman]

Luc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MT>> I would like to use a different character than ">" when quoting
MT>> replies.
>  ...
> If you want a self determined character you can use the following
> macro:

> QUOTESTYLE = "expression"

> Specifies the quotation prefix to be used following execution of this macro.
> The expression can be any of the following:
> NONEuse an empty prefix (the standard)
> I   use the initials of the sender of the original message (the default)
> IF  use the first initial of the sender of the original message
> N   use the full name of the sender of the original message
> F   use the first name of the sender of the original message
> L   use the last name of the sender of the original message
> =text   use the "text" as the prefix, e.g. %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"

> This last option "text" is what you are looking for i guess.

That last option results in a quote marker of '-|>'.

Let me restate what I understand to be Matt's question, because I also
am interested in the answer.

If I want to use a character other than '>' as the quote character,
how can I do so?  Note that I am not asking about prefixes to '>',
such as 'DG>' or whatever.  Just something like:

| This is a quoted line.

Yes, I realize that this may not be a good idea for several reasons,
and that '>' is the defacto standard.  Nevertheless, if I wished to
use a different character, how would I do it?

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Re: quotestyles

[Luc]

 Good morning Matt,

It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 18:44:43 GMT-0800 (which was 4:44
where I live) Matt Thoene wrote and spread these wise comments on
"quotestyles":
  

 
-|> I did try this with no luck.  Also, I apologize for using an unrelated
-|> subject line as well. 

 As you can see, it works like a charm.
 I have set it up like this:
 
 %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"
 %QUOTES

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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Luc]

 Good morning Dave,

It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 22:06:00 GMT-0500 (which was 5:06
where I live) Dave Goodman wrote and spread these wise comments on
"Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.":
  

DG> That last option results in a quote marker of '-|>'.

That was merely an example. Replace it with the character of your
choice.

DG>Nevertheless, if I wished to use a different character, how would I
DG>do it?

See my second post to Matt.

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Re: quotestyles

[Luc]

 Good morning Luc,

It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 05:10:42 GMT+0200 (which was 5:10
where I live) Luc wrote and spread these wise comments on
"quotestyles":
  

L> I have set it up like this:
 
L>  %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"
L>  %QUOTES

You may probably have to indent the %Quotes macro like this:
%QUOTESTYLE="=-|"
 %QUOTES

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Editor Wrapping and changing message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TB!,

  I like the way the Editor wraps when you are composing a message because
  it seems to work fine when the Auto-Wrap is on.  What if after composing
  a message you make changes in the middle of the text.  You have to go
  back in manually wrap the remaining lines.  Am I missing something here
  or is there a better way?  TIA!

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Re: quotestyles

[Matt Thoene]

>  Good morning Luc,

> It was foretold that on 7-4-2002 @ 05:10:42 GMT+0200 (which was 5:10
> where I live) Luc wrote and spread these wise comments on
> "quotestyles":
  
> 
L>> I have set it up like this:
 
L>>  %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"
L>>  %QUOTES

> You may probably have to indent the %Quotes macro like this:
> %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"
>  %QUOTES

Hmm...none of this really removes the ">" from the replies.  I've yet
to find a way to replace the ">" with "any other character".


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Re: Editor Wrapping and changing message?

[Allie C Martin]

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to our collective wisdom:
...
GS> I like the way the Editor wraps when you are composing a message
GS> because it seems to work fine when the Auto-Wrap is on. What if
GS> after composing a message you make changes in the middle of the
GS> text. You have to go back in manually wrap the remaining lines. Am
GS> I missing something here or is there a better way? TIA!

You could take the auto-format option (Utilities/auto-format or
Ctrl+Shift+F) for a spin and see if you like it. It's supposed to
reflow text as you type. It however, works in a way that many
including myself do not like.

It will appreciate text as being in separate paragraphs *only* when
the text blocks are separated by a blank line. You have to always keep
this in mind while composing. In order to create lists, you have to
either toggle it off or separate each item of the list by a blank
line.

As you use it you'll see what I mean.

For me, hitting Alt+L as I type to reflow text has become second
nature. I don't mind this since, IMHO, TB!'s editor has so much to
offer in return for the inconvenience. Granted, as with all
inconveniences, I'd surely love to see it go away. :-)

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Re[2]: Editor Wrapping and changing message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, April 7, 2002, 1:09:47 AM, you wrote:

ACM> You could take the auto-format option (Utilities/auto-format or
ACM> Ctrl+Shift+F) for a spin and see if you like it.

ACM> As you use it you'll see what I mean.

ACM> For me, hitting Alt+L as I type to reflow text has become second
ACM> nature.

I will give both a try on this message. Excuse me if I become a little to
verbose. BTW I did NOT find what menu the Alt+L was on, so if you could
point me in the correct direction.  I just found it under Utilities |
Format Block.

I just used the Alt+L works great. Just what I was looking for. Does the
Auto-Format option work on a go forward basis similar to Auto-wrap? I'll
have to try it when I start a new message. Conceptually I'm wondering what
is the difference between Auto-wrap and Auto-Format.

This user list is great for learning TB!.  In a few days of using TB! I
can see why people like it and I've only just seen the edges.  Thanks!


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Re: Editor Wrapping and changing message?

[Allie C Martin]

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@ 01:37:30 -0600 [ Sun, 7 Apr 2002], Greg Strong [GS] contributed this
to our collective wisdom:
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GS> I will give both a try on this message. Excuse me if I become a
GS> little to verbose.

:-)

GS> I just used the Alt+L works great. Just what I was looking for.
GS> Does the Auto-Format option work on a go forward basis similar to
GS> Auto-wrap? I'll have to try it when I start a new message.
GS> Conceptually I'm wondering what is the difference between
GS> Auto-wrap and Auto-Format.

Auto-wrap is what does the initial wrapping as you type. Unlike
Auto-format, it only does its thing once. TB!'s editor doesn't soft
wrap at all and this is part of the whole issue of how it behaves. It
doesn't do soft returns at all, and there's no adjustment of
formatting done upon sending the message, which is what most other
clients do. This is why you're always seeing the exact formatting the
recipient will receive.

Note also that Alt+L is not only manual but does some extra things.
Alt+l tends to remove extra spaces. So if you like to indent the first
line of your paragraphs, Alt+L will mess you up. Also, if you're of
the school where sentences should be separated by two spaces instead
of one, then Alt+L will not be your friend. OTOH, auto-format will
reflow text without removing the extra spaces or initial indenting of
paragraphs.

GS> This user list is great for learning TB!.

I agree.

GS> In a few days of using TB! I can see why people like it and I've
GS> only just seen the edges.

I really love it, despite its quirks in some areas. I think it's the
best out there at present.

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Re: quotestyles

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Matt,
On Sunday, April 7, 2002 at 23:05:07 [GMT -0800], you wrote:

MT> Hmm...none of this really removes the ">" from the replies. I've yet
MT> to find a way to replace the ">" with "any other character".

Fortunately, this is not possible. This would really mess up the
highlighting of quotes.

I think I would send emails with non-standard quote signs straight to
the trash because I wouldn't want to waste my time with searching for
replies between the quoting of my post. Just my $0.02.

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