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In message <006a01c229ba$2bd30220$340c08d5@joycesala">mid:006a01c229ba$2bd30220$340c08d5@joycesala>,
Joyce Sala [JS] wrote:

JS> Problem is, that it has CHANGED THE DATE of each specific mail to
JS> the DATE OF IMPORT, obviously creating quite a havoc...

JS> How can I import SMOOTHLY my folders while KEEPING the original
JS> date of receipt of each single message?

TB! hasn't changed the creation date of the messages. TB! has a column
that tells you when messages were downloaded to TB! and an import time
is also generated. This has nothing to do with the message headers or
content. If all those messages were imported at the same time then the
received times will be the same. However, the message creation times,
i.e., the times each message was created as seen in the message
headers, are as they were in Outlook Express.

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Re: Redirect reply to address...

2002-07-12 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Chris,

@12 July 2002, 11:18 -1000 (22:18 UK time)  Chris Meyer [CM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

CM> In Eudora, when I redirect an email to someone else in the office,
CM> and they reply, the reply to address is that of the original
CM> sender. When I try this with the bat, the reply to address is mine
CM> and it comes back to me.

CM> Can this be changed so redirects reply back to the original
CM> sender?

Yes. Delete the "Reply-to" information in the Account properties.

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Re: Redirect reply to address...

2002-07-12 Thread P S Graham


Friday, July 12, 2002, 5:18:48 PM, Chris, spoketh:

CM> In Eudora, when I redirect an email to someone else in the office, and
CM> they reply, the reply to address is that of the original sender. When I
CM> try this with the bat, the reply to address is mine and it comes back
CM> to me.

CM> Can this be changed so redirects reply back to the original sender?

I found this to be how my redirects work, with the exception
of a return path being added (I assume for bounces).
Clicking reply in the redirected header sets the To: field
to that of the orignmal posters From:. Perhaps you have an outbound
rule/filter overriding the redirect? Perhaps one of the more
knowledgeable TBUDL'rs will have a better answer.

Here are my headers from the redirect of your message to
another of my accounts:

Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: 
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:10:36 -0400
From: P S Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal
Reply-To: P S Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fwd: Redirect reply to address...
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!


Hello Jonathan,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 4:45:25 PM, you wrote:

JA> I meant fun as in a bad term.  I personally don't think it is fun at
JA> all, and have myself spent many hours working against that kind of
JA> attack.  Some script kiddie would love to even come up with such a
JA> simple idea.

I here what your saying. I've had some things pulled on me and
software I own. Personally I like to get my hands on the SOB. After
that the MF would learn no legal system would be required. 

JA> Unfortunately a very difficult thing to do, although a couple of US server
JA> operators have started taking legal actions against a number of
JA> Romanians with co-operation with the FBI, and CIA, for illegal use of
JA> servers, and DDoS attacking servers.

Glad to hear it.

JA> Very true... unfortunately until there is one legal system, or at
JA> least a centralized legal system when it comes to internet related
JA> activities, laws like that are going to be difficult to impose.

I think your key word is ACTIVITIES. Personally I don't want laws to
impact use of the internet. The internet is the one thing in this
world that offers to some degree the free exchange of ideals across
all borders. This is the true potential of the internet. It is this
means which offers a balance of power which is necessary.

JA> That really wouldn't surprise me. In fact some security companies
JA> actually hire 'ex-hackers' as top 'security' consultants purely for
JA> their history, and knowledge. Wonder if Microsoft ever thought of
JA> doing that ;)

IF MS hasn't they should. The more ideals the better.

I think this thread has meandered a little off topic, but good non the
less.  :Þ)

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Create shortcut to log on user

2002-07-12 Thread Andy Morrison


Hello list

  Is it possible to create a shortcut with a command line parameter to log on a 
particular user in a
  multi-user environment when starting TB! ?

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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!


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On Friday, July 12, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> Your point is a matter of perspective. Personally those who sit on the
> side of taking control of others PC, then using it for DOS attack or
> other malicious purpose should be behind bars without access to any
> PC. I don't care what country they live.

I meant fun as in a bad term.  I personally don't think it is fun at
all, and have myself spent many hours working against that kind of
attack.  Some script kiddie would love to even come up with such a
simple idea.

> I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but until the international
> legal community can get on the same page the sleeziness will continue.

Unfortunately a very difficult thing to do, although a couple of US server
operators have started taking legal actions against a number of
Romanians with co-operation with the FBI, and CIA, for illegal use of
servers, and DDoS attacking servers.

> Probably won't happen because politics involved. What this does do
> is create demand in the security software market.

Very true... unfortunately until there is one legal system, or at
least a centralized legal system when it comes to internet related
activities, laws like that are going to be difficult to impose.

> As a final thought I have read somewhere where the AV software
> companies were actually working with hackers who wrote virus/trojan
> programs. It was never confirmed. 

That really wouldn't surprise me. In fact some security companies
actually hire 'ex-hackers' as top 'security' consultants purely for
their history, and knowledge. Wonder if Microsoft ever thought of
doing that ;)

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Re[2]: How to Indent?


   On Friday, July 12, 2002, Januk Aggarwal wrote in
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JA> With my template, you don't have to worry about indenting the second
JA> line, and you don't have to worry about using ALT-L all the time.  You
JA> just finish your list item, put it in the clipboard and execute the
JA> wrap macro.  All the formatting and wrapping will be done for you.
JA> I am not saying my method is better or worse, it is just another
JA> option.

Januk,

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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!


Hello Jonathan,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 12:46:18 PM, you wrote:

JA> It's not too difficult to do I guess... just force the person's PC
JA> to use a different DNS server, and remap what each of the services
JA> points to, then you can produce an 'update' for the program...
JA> then you can have all sorts of fun ;)

Your point is a matter of perspective. Personally those who sit on the
side of taking control of others PC, then using it for DOS attack or
other malicious purpose should be behind bars without access to any
PC. I don't care what country they live.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but until the international
legal community can get on the same page the sleeziness will continue.
Probably won't happen because politics involved. What this does do is
create demand in the security software market. As a final thought I
have read somewhere where the AV software companies were actually
working with hackers who wrote virus/trojan programs. It was never
confirmed. 

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Re: Redirect reply to address...

2002-07-12 Thread ETM


Please post to list.  As a mailing list(s) administrator I
am also faced with this problem.

Elaine

Hello Chris

On Friday, July 12, 2002, you wrote

> In Eudora, when I redirect an email to someone else in the office, and
> they reply, the reply to address is that of the original sender. When I
> try this with the bat, the reply to address is mine and it comes back
> to me.

> Can this be changed so redirects reply back to the original sender?



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Re: TB! Import of mail folders (mailboxes?) from OE6 - Total newbie

2002-07-12 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Friday, July 12, 2002, 4:09:41 PM, Adam wrote:

JS>> How can I import SMOOTHLY my folders while KEEPING the original
JS>> date of receipt of each single message?

> It should import all that info accurately. Dates should be there.
> Maybe you want to describe what you did with more detail.

No, when I first set up TB! everything I imported got a received time
coinciding with when it was imported/received by TB! I can look at any
of those folders and tell you that I imported my messages on 10 March
2001. I can still tell the age of the messages by looking at when they
were created, so it has never been a problem for me that that is how
it worked.

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Redirect reply to address...

2002-07-12 Thread Chris Meyer


In Eudora, when I redirect an email to someone else in the office, and
they reply, the reply to address is that of the original sender. When I
try this with the bat, the reply to address is mine and it comes back
to me.

Can this be changed so redirects reply back to the original sender?




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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie

2002-07-12 Thread Dwight A Corrin


On Friday, July 12, 2002, 12:23:33 PM, Greg Strong wrote:

> I see you use XP. Symantec's NAV 2002 product was release about the
> time XP was. There may be some glitches there

I have no problems and messages are scanned and occasionally a virus
is found. Works very smoothly.

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Re: POP3s problem


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M> Thank you and Ralf van der Enden for the responses. Now it works
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Please adhere to the list rules to make reading your messages easy and
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Re: TB! Import of mail folders (mailboxes?) from OE6 - Total newbie

2002-07-12 Thread Adam


Hello Joyce,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 1:08:28 PM, you wrote:

JS> Hello to all TB! friends.

JS> I'm still trying to sort out all my various installation problems.
JS> Now I'm left with 3 specific ones, for which I'm writing
JS> separately, so that you can be free to choose what to answer to.

JS> Thank you in advance for all your help.

JS> IMPORT OF MAIL FOLDERS from OE6

JS> After a long and belabored series of unsuccessful trials, I

How come belaboured?

JS> finally succeeded in importing my mail FOLDERS (are these what TB!
JS> calls mailboxes?)

That is a good question.  Maybe have a vote!  I always wondered
myself.

JS> Problem is, that it has CHANGED THE DATE of each specific mail to
JS> the DATE OF IMPORT, obviously creating quite a havoc...

JS> How can I import SMOOTHLY my folders while KEEPING the original
JS> date of receipt of each single message?

It should import all that info accurately. Dates should be there.
Maybe you want to describe what you did with more detail.

Here is one import tip though.  Have you compressed your OE mailboxes
first?

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Re: AB_Format.rtf distribution?

2002-07-12 Thread Ricardo M. Reyes


El jueves 11 de julio de 2002, 14.34, Tim Musson decía:

TM> Do you know if there are any distribution restrictions on the
TM>   AB_Format.rtf file?  I have a yahoo group set up for building the
TM>   Palm conduit, and would like to keep it in the files section.

what is that file?

if it explains the binary format of the TB's Address Book, I would be
interested in seeing that, since I would like to write a conduit for
the Palm.

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Re: Useful tool?

2002-07-12 Thread Bernd Gauweiler


WM> Might this be a stop-gap until v2?

WM> http://gopher.quux.org:70/devel/offlineimap

WM> To quote the site

WM>   OfflineIMAP is a tool to simplify your e-mail reading.
WM>   With OfflineIMAP, you can read the same mailbox from mul-  
WM>   tiple computers. You get a current copy of your messages  
WM>   on each computer, and changes you make one place will be  
WM>   visible on all other systems. For instance, you can  
WM>   delete a message on your home computer, and it will appear  
WM>   deleted on your work computer as well. [...]

I fail to understand the purpose of OfflineIMAP. The whole point of IMAP
(or: one key advantage over POP3) is that the mailbox resides on the
server, allowing for multiple clients to connect to the one server and
always access the same mailbox.

TB! has a way to go in terms of IMAP support; TB! sadly uses IMAP only
as a transport protocol but doesn't really use the server side mailbox.
However, a "OfflineIMAP" tool as described above is IMHO pointless.

Can anybody enlighten me, please?
Bernd

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Re: Automate Backup

2002-07-12 Thread Britt Malka


Dear John,
 


Friday, July 12, 2002 at 9:33:03 PM you wrote:


JT> Does the backup routine backup *all* settings in TB?

It should do so, yes, if you click in all the corresponding fields,
but I have once experienced that it wasn't the case. The Bat! hasn't
backed up my quick templates.



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Automate Backup

2002-07-12 Thread John Thomas


Is there an automated when to run the backup.  I would like my
computer to backup TB! automatically every night.  Is this possible?

Does the backup routine backup *all* settings in TB?

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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Peter Fjelsten


Jonathan,

On 12-07-2002 20:02, you [J] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
J> In some places, the second ALT key (labeled ALT GR I think in the UK
J> if my memory serves me correctly, has been over a year or so) doesn't
J> actually do anything.

Here in Denmark we have it, too.

AltGr usually functions as Alt+Ctrl which is handy for starting
applications in Windows with AltGr+"some key".

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Re: How to Indent?

2002-07-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal


Hello Joseph,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 10:24 GMT -0500, legend has it that Joseph
N. [JN] recited the incantation:

JN> I hope you don't mind this off-list reply/question

Well, this would have been fine on-list.  It isn't off-topic or too
complex for TBUDL.  In fact, I think it's a good question, so I'm
posting my reply to the list too.

JN> What does your combination of macros achieve that is different
JN> than turning off auto-format and just indenting the second line?
JN> IOW, what is the purpose of your macro combination? I couldn't
JN> tell by reading them.

It isn't the same at all.  The templates I referred to are an easy way
to execute the %WRAPPED macro.  They also extend %WRAPPED's function
in that my templates work on multiple paragraphs.  The point is,
%WRAPPED will deal with numbered lists correctly.  So,

[Begin Example]
1. This is some test.  I don't really have any formatting going on
here, but once we use %WRAPPED, we'll get:

1. This is some test.  I don't really have any formatting going on
   here, but once we use %WRAPPED, we'll get:
[ End  Example]

With my template, you don't have to worry about indenting the second
line, and you don't have to worry about using ALT-L all the time.  You
just finish your list item, put it in the clipboard and execute the
wrap macro.  All the formatting and wrapping will be done for you.
I am not saying my method is better or worse, it is just another
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Re: How to Indent?

2002-07-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal


Hello Sudip,

It was foretold that on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 17:07 GMT +0530,
Sudip Pokhrel [SP] would type:

SP> This works like a charm Januk ! Thanks a lot. Isn't it possible to
SP> combine this macro with the "bq" macro to automatically wrap the
SP> pasted quotes? How?

I'm not entirely sure I understand your request.  You want to use
Carsten's boxquoting template in conjunction with the wrap macro?

If that's what you want to do, it was done on the TBTECH list some
time ago.  There has been a bugfix since then that would change the
template somewhat, but I don't think I'll post the updated version
here.  If you want to know more, we should move this conversation to
the TBTECH list (see footers for details).


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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Jonathan!

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 7:56:40 PM you wrote:

> I work with a lot of newbies. They very badly want text labels under
> their toolbar icons.

Tooltips are much better. whenever I get a new software with new icons
(and so on) I immediately change the toolbar buttons to show images
only with tooltips.

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Re: Navigating to next message in thread

2002-07-12 Thread Peter Meyns


Hi Joseph,

on Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:02:52 -0500GMT (12.07.02, 17:02 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

JN> I thought I'd seen this request here, but couldn't find it in the
JN> archives.  How does one navigate from one message in a thread to the
JN> next??  The arrow icons in the message viewer do not do it, regardless
JN> of whether the thread is expanded.

I use ctrl + arrow right to go to the next unread message. It works here on
a German Windows 98 SE. I read others use ctrl + ] for it. This works here
too, but additionally a "quick search" window is opened, probably because I
have to type alt gr (right alt key) + 9 to achieve ] on this keyboard. The
arrow down key works too, if the thread is expanded and the focus is on
the messages window. Then TB! goes to the next message, read or not.

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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Miguel A. Urech


Hello Jonathan,

> In some places, the second ALT key (labeled ALT GR I think in the UK
> if my memory serves me correctly, has been over a year or so) doesn't
> actually do anything.

Many non-English keyboards have 3 chars is some (or many) keys. For
example Spanish keyboard's 2 key, you get " with shift and @ with
AltGR. The "[" is actually an AltGR character, that's why is unusable
for TB's message list navigation.


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Re: customize toolbar?


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On Friday, July 12, 2002, Sudip Pokhrel wrote...

> You're kidding me ! Now the obvious question is why its there then?

No... not kidding you... at least it never used to work on the 400 odd
PCs I used to work with in the UK. As for why it is there, I don't
have a clue. I think the UK manufacturers probably had a higher scheme
of things, but never put the functionality in, but changed the keycode
on it so it didn't match the RALT function. That is one thing I do
like about using linux... I can customize all my keys ;) Including the
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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Sudip Pokhrel


Hi Jonathan,

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:02:19 -0500 GMT (Jul 12, 23:32 my time),
you [JA] wrote:

JA> In some places, the second ALT key (labeled ALT GR I think in the UK
JA> if my memory serves me correctly, has been over a year or so) doesn't
JA> actually do anything.

You're kidding me ! Now the obvious question is why its there then?

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Re[2]: Palm Sync.


   On Friday, July 12, 2002, Tim Musson wrote in
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TM> You should not need to touch the .ini files.  I only included it in
TM> the FAQ because I found it interesting

Tim,

Very interesting...  And Peter's post said he didn't change anything
but used the Eudora settings.  I'm surprised it would work like that,
since the .ini file is more specific than simply pointing to the MAPI
default.  But I'll take both your knowledgeable words on it and won't
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DW>> I can do stuff like Alt-F4 with one hand, but
DW>> Alt-anything-further-away-than-F6 and I need two hands.

> why ? don't you have two sets of Alt/Ctrl/Shft keys ? ;-)

In some places, the second ALT key (labeled ALT GR I think in the UK
if my memory serves me correctly, has been over a year or so) doesn't
actually do anything.

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Re[2]: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie

2002-07-12 Thread Ochrid


Hello Greg,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 7:23:33 PM, you wrote:


GS> This discussion is getting a little OT and not really applicable to
GS> this list. As I stated earlier, I think you should contact Symantec at
GS> http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/ and post message to on-line support.
GS> It is free.


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Re[3]: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman


PP> Can anybody explain to me, why tool bars are _this_ important to
PP> so many people, that they'd like to see them customizable better
PP> yesterday than tomorrow?

I work with a lot of newbies. They very badly want text labels under
their toolbar icons. They also very badly want everything they do
regularly on their toolbar. The reason is simple: it's a whole lot
easier to figure out how to do what they want to do. Because The Bat!
does not have these capabilities, I needs must give them Outlook
Express. But isbister (makers of Time & Chaos) now has an email
client; perhaps I can give them that.


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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Sudip Pokhrel


Hi Deborah,

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:44:04 +0100 GMT (Jul 12, 23:14 my time),
you [DW] wrote:

DW> I can do stuff like Alt-F4 with one hand, but
DW> Alt-anything-further-away-than-F6 and I need two hands.

why ? don't you have two sets of Alt/Ctrl/Shft keys ? ;-)

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Useful tool?

2002-07-12 Thread William Moore


Hello TBUDL

I know next-to-nothing about IMAP save that I think it causes problems
for those using TB's implementation.

Might this be a stop-gap until v2?

http://gopher.quux.org:70/devel/offlineimap

To quote the site

  OfflineIMAP is a tool to simplify your e-mail reading.
  With OfflineIMAP, you can read the same mailbox from mul-  
  tiple computers. You get a current copy of your messages  
  on each computer, and changes you make one place will be  
  visible on all other systems. For instance, you can  
  delete a message on your home computer, and it will appear  
  deleted on your work computer as well. OfflineIMAP is  
  also useful if you want to use a mail reader that does not  
  have IMAP support, has poor IMAP support, or does not pro-  
  vide disconnected operation. 

It was the last sentence that prompted me to post.

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Re: customize toolbar?


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On Friday, July 12, 2002, Deborah W wrote...

> I can only answer this for me - I probably qualify as a power-user
> (several thousand emails a week) but most of my email time is while
> I'm nursing my baby son - so I'm often working with my one free
> hand. I can do stuff like Alt-F4 with one hand, but
> Alt-anything-further-away-than-F6 and I need two hands. I can even
> type quite quickly with one hand - but if I could have buttons with
> which to perform my most often-used tasks, it would make life easier
> :-)

If you're using a US keyboard, with the US character map, you can use
the second ALT key on the right hand side of the space.  But your
point still stands... you have to stretch the fingers a bit to hit
different keys.  Fortunately I have wide hands, and my little finger
does odd things, I can reach the F12 key from the ALT key on the left
hand side of the space bar ;)

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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!


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On Friday, July 12, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> Not a big deal. I use NAV & run with current ZAP until current support
> contract expires. Things work fine as is. TO ME GIVING PROGRAMS
> AUTOMATIC UPDATE CAPABILITIES IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SECURITY HOLES IN
> THE MARKET PLACE. WHAT IS TO STOP SOME SAVVY PROGRAMMER FROM USING
> THIS TO GAIN TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR PC.

It's not too difficult to do I guess... just force the person's PC to
use a different DNS server, and remap what each of the services points
to, then you can produce an 'update' for the program... then you can
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Re[2]: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Deborah W


On Friday, July 12, 2002, 10:03:51 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

PP> Can anybody explain to me, why tool bars are _this_ important to
PP> so many people, that they'd like to see them customizable better
PP> yesterday than tomorrow?

I can only answer this for me - I probably qualify as a power-user
(several thousand emails a week) but most of my email time is while
I'm nursing my baby son - so I'm often working with my one free hand.
I can do stuff like Alt-F4 with one hand, but
Alt-anything-further-away-than-F6 and I need two hands. I can even
type quite quickly with one hand - but if I could have buttons with
which to perform my most often-used tasks, it would make life easier
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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!


Hello Barry,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 11:26:03 AM, you wrote:

BH> I have just upgraded since my last post to ZA 3.0.133 and so far
BH> everything seems OK alongside of AVG with latest updates.

I'll pass on AVG & ZA 3.0.133 until get some answers. Not a big deal,
since things were working fine.

I'm somewhat concerned about direction of Symantec, Zone Labs, & the
software market in general. From my perspective they are reducing
options for users to manage their own PC. Symantec does NOT have most
of the product updates available for FTP (or HTTP) download. Zone
Lab's web site for 3.x release does not have good support for FAQ's as
it did with 2.x releases. I've used ZAP since 1.x release and
Symantec's products for years.

Not a big deal. I use NAV & run with current ZAP until current support
contract expires. Things work fine as is. TO ME GIVING PROGRAMS
AUTOMATIC UPDATE CAPABILITIES IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SECURITY HOLES IN
THE MARKET PLACE. WHAT IS TO STOP SOME SAVVY PROGRAMMER FROM USING
THIS TO GAIN TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR PC.

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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie


Hello Ochrid,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 10:50:11 AM, you wrote:

O> Peter Palmreuyther talks about ports - do you know how to check
O> that in NAV?

I have NAV 2002 with NSW 2002 Pro.  I checked the options for NAV &
saw no settings for ports that I could see with quick check.

I did check NAV help. It stated if you don't see icons in tray to
uninstall, then re-install. I use Win98, I see you use XP. Symantec's
NAV 2002 product was release about the time XP was. There may be some
glitches there. From reading this list you probably won't find large
support for Symantec's products here. I've used them for years, but do
agree with substantial # of people that product is turning to BLOAT
ware. I have everything off on boot with NSW except NAV. Symantec is
reducing options to manage your PC. For example most product updates
are no longer available as FTP or HTTP download. At least I couldn't
find them on their FTP site as directed by Symantec's support. Unless
Symantec changes management options after this year of support is up
with the current product, I will probably replace NAV with another
product.

If you have NAV active on boot, you ARE protected. You just can't tell
if attachments are viri. Not a big deal if you don't open attachments
indiscriminately. Even if you do and keep your definitions up to date,
then you should be protected to the extent possible.

This discussion is getting a little OT and not really applicable to
this list. As I stated earlier, I think you should contact Symantec at
http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/ and post message to on-line support.
It is free.

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Re: Palm Sync.


Hello Joseph,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:39:13 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

JN> If you mean Tim Musson's technique, yes, I know. Tim's technique
JN> works, but it is not useful for those who do not have the time or
JN> willingness to change .ini files. So it seems to me likely that, if
JN> someone is going to develop a conduit for the TB! AB, it would also
JN> take care of the TB! inbox.

I can't recall how Tim did it exactly. I just spoke from my own
experiences.
Recently I got my first Palm (derived device ... a Sony Clié running Palm
OS), installed "Palm Desktop" and set it up to sync w/ Eudora which is done
using MAPI. The Bat! is set up as MAPI handler since ... aeons and the very
first try sync-ed my Palm device w/ my Inbox of the primary account ...

No .ini files to change or something similar ...
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Re: Navigating to next message in thread


Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 11:02:52 AM.

JN> I thought I'd seen this request here, but couldn't find it in the
JN> archives.  How does one navigate from one message in a thread to
JN> the next??  The arrow icons in the message viewer do not do it,
JN> regardless of whether the thread is expanded.

How are your messages sorted?
View \ Sort by \
I believe those arrows just take you to the next msg in the list of
messages.

Did you look at the Keyboard shortcuts listed in the FAQ?

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Re[2]: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!

2002-07-12 Thread Barry Higginbottom


Hello Greg,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 3:01:43 PM, you wrote:

GS> Hello Barry,

GS> Friday, July 12, 2002, 3:25:19 AM, you wrote:

BH>> I was trying a 'demo' version of NAV and had the same problem you
BH>> describe but with version 3.0.118!

GS> What OS do you use?


That was with W98SE with IE5.5 SP2

I have just upgraded since my last post to ZA 3.0.133 and so far
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Re: Palm Sync.


Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 11:39:13 AM.

JN> If you mean Tim Musson's technique, yes, I know. Tim's technique
JN> works, but it is not useful for those who do not have the time or
JN> willingness to change .ini files.

You should not need to touch the .ini files.  I only included it in
the FAQ because I found it interesting, and was going to try to get
more information from Palm about the format.  Unfortunately, Palm said
'we don't support changing the .ini file by hand, so we are not going
to give you any information about it.'

If someone were to write a conduit to sync Palm mail and TB mail, it
would be similar customizations.

JN> So it seems to me likely that, if someone is going to develop a
JN> conduit for the TB! AB, it would also take care of the TB! inbox.

I am involved in trying to get the AB conduit put together, and there
has not been any discussion about adding eMail sync...

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Re: Palm Sync.


Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 11:16:34 AM.

JN> If anyone develops a conduit for TB!, the synchronization of the AB
JN> and the mailboxes should be kept separate.

If I am involved, that is what I would push for.  Actually, I had
never even thought of doing anything with the eMail sync that works
just fine...

JN> The user should be allowed to determine whether the AB information
JN> will be sync'ed.

Agreed.

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Re: Palm Sync.


Hey Freddie,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 10:51:05 AM.

FF> I want to add my 2 cents as well. PLEASE, we need an address book
FF> (and email) conduit for the Palm OS.

You can already sync eMail via the standard MAPI feature of both TB &
Palm.  I have not even heard of any rumors about adding to that
functionality...

We are trying to get something together to allow an AB Sync.

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Working With SpamKiller

2002-07-12 Thread Kevin Tea


Hello

The amount of spam coming through these days is far too much so I have
bought McAfee's Spamkiller to help with the task.

The  process  is a two step one with SK running first to nuke the crap
and then running The Bat! to pick up the OK mail.

There  is  a  facility whereby if The Bat! is not loaded, then SK will
launch it but it will only pick up mail if the options are set to pick
up  mail on launch. This means that I have to close The Bat! if I want
to use this feature.

Is  there some instruction that I can use so that once SK has finished
nuking garbage it will tell The Bat!

Any help much appreciated.

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Re[2]: Signature Delimiter

2002-07-12 Thread alists


Hello Jonathan,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 8:46:44 AM, you wrote:



>> Until this list, I never knew the importance of the sig
>> delimiter. I don't know if -- is TB standard or if it is
>> USENET, etc.

JA> The actual delimiter is --.  I think it's a standard thing,
JA> and listed somewhere, wouldn't have a clue where to find it though.

oh! i'll double check on the space in my footer. Thanks!


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Re[2]: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie

2002-07-12 Thread Ochrid


Hello Greg,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 5:23:05 PM, you wrote:


GS> Do you have email scanning ON? I use NAV 2002 with email scanning on
GS> and works fine. It has caught 3 or 4 viruses in the last week. On in
GS> coming mail do you see the mail icon in the tray? If no, then either
GS> you have email scanning off, or you have unselected "Display tray icon
GS> when processing Email."


I have the email scanner on, and selected "display tray icon...".
But I don not see the little white envelope with the blue arrow
coming down.(Outgoing mail is scanned as it should).

Peter Palmreuyther talks about ports - do you know how to check
that in NAV?

Thanks,

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Re: Signature Delimiter


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Friday, July 12, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...

> Hello ListBuds,

> Until this list, I never knew the importance of the sig
> delimiter. I don't know if -- is TB standard or if it is
> USENET, etc.

The actual delimiter is --.  I think it's a standard thing,
and listed somewhere, wouldn't have a clue where to find it though.


> I wish that groups such as yahoo would adopt it though.. have you
> ever looked through their emails!

I agree, the footers yahoo/hotmail/etc dump on the bottom is a big
waste as 99% of the time people using OE/Outlook leave them on there
where replying.  Thankfully TB! has the ability to do more work.  Take
a look at the FAQ page, there is a nice signature stripper that even
gets hotmail/msn/yahoo I believe, as well as PGP stuff too.

- --
Jonathan Angliss
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Signature Delimiter

2002-07-12 Thread alists


Hello ListBuds,

Until this list, I never knew the importance of the sig
delimiter. I don't know if -- is TB standard or if it is
USENET, etc. I wish that groups such as yahoo would adopt it
though.. have you ever looked through their emails! just think of
the wasted storage of those silly signature lines when people
reply and respond.. sometimes the whole message is one line with
like 100 signature lines (from being forwarded).. amazing. So, I
thank all of you for correcting me.. now if we could get the
other groups to understand it.. AND get the other mailing systems
to trim. think of all the eyestrain and storage we could
save.



  

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Re[2]: Palm Sync.


   On Friday, July 12, 2002, Peter Palmreuther wrote in
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JN>> If anyone develops a conduit for TB!, the synchronization of the AB
JN>> and the mailboxes should be kept separate.

PP> It already is. TB! is able to be sync'ed using MAPI and it works. OK, it's
PP> only 'Inbox' of primary account that's sync'ed, but the mail sync already
PP> is there ...

PP> So another conduit will only be for AB ...

Peter,

If you mean Tim Musson's technique, yes, I know. Tim's technique
works, but it is not useful for those who do not have the time or
willingness to change .ini files. So it seems to me likely that, if
someone is going to develop a conduit for the TB! AB, it would also
take care of the TB! inbox.

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RE: Re[2]: Palm Synch


> You can download a trial
>version of Organizer 6.0 from somewhere on the Lotus site. Write back
>if you're interested but can't find it.

Yes, please, Joseph, I can't find it.

Thank you,

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RE: TB! Address Book Import from OE6/Netscape 4.79 - Total newbie


Hi Joyce,

(you)
ADDRESS BOOK - Importing from Netscape4.79 (preferable), or from
OE6.Try as I might, I do not seem to find a way to make it > import an
address book, as it allows only abb, tbb files which I obviously don't
have.

Furthermore, it gives me the choice for CSV and TAB separators, which
I really don't know how to apply to my previous programs

Any ideas please?

(I)
Don't know about Netscape, but if you can export to a type of file of
the many that Dawn deal with, as I've mentioned before it seems to be
very good (I converted all my Outlook address to TB, gpoing through
Dawn). It's at
http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~zakharin/Software/download.html

See if it works for you.

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Re: Palm Sync.


Hello Joseph,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:16:34 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

JN> If anyone develops a conduit for TB!, the synchronization of the AB
JN> and the mailboxes should be kept separate.

It already is. TB! is able to be sync'ed using MAPI and it works. OK, it's
only 'Inbox' of primary account that's sync'ed, but the mail sync already
is there ...

So another conduit will only be for AB ...
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Re: customize toolbar?


Hello Sandro,

Thanks for your answer :-)
Nevertheless: this was the only thing 'on topic'. I set an 'X-Post' and
requested a 'Follow-Up-To' the OT-List :-) Could we take the discussion
over there please? Would spare the users not interested in this topic a lot
of nerves :-)

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 4:55:16 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

>>P.S.: Sandro: Your signature delimiter is defect  :-)

> Would you believe I don't know what a "signature delimiter" is?

I do, as I've seen the result :-)
But it simply shows you haven't read the welcome message :-

> Anyway, it's probably because I am still using Outlook.

That's one point :-)
It will now work correctly when you send your mail from OE, but there's not
even the slightest shadow of a try :-)))

Nevertheless: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/subtbudl.txt will give
your the text of welcome message of this list. There you can find what the
'signature delimiter' is and save this knowledge for the times when you
finally switch to The Bat! :-Þ
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Re: TB has stopped periodical checking for mail

2002-07-12 Thread Blarp


Hi Chris,

CW> Is there anyway I can check this?

If you're willing to use file compare (FC) you could make a backup
copy of account.cfg, then do nothing but change the checkbox, the
immediately compare the two files (FC account.cfg account.cfg.bak /b)
and see what the differences are.

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Re[3]: Palm Sync.

2002-07-12 Thread John Thomas


Hello Freddie, 

This is a response to your (FF's) message dated July 12, 2002, with
the subject: [Palm Sync.].

FF> I want to add my 2 cents as well.  PLEASE, we need an address book
FF> (and email) conduit for the Palm OS.

E-mail (for one folder only, the Inbox on the primary account) is
available already through MAPI, according to the FAQ.

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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie


Hello Ochrid,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 9:37:20 AM, you wrote:

O> I use NAV 2002 and sent myself the eicar.com 'virus' .
O> Norton did not sound the alarm.

Do you have email scanning ON? I use NAV 2002 with email scanning on
and works fine. It has caught 3 or 4 viruses in the last week. On in
coming mail do you see the mail icon in the tray? If no, then either
you have email scanning off, or you have unselected "Display tray icon
when processing Email."

To turn email scanning on go to Options | Select Internet Email and
under "What to scan" select "Scan incoming Email" &/or "Scan outgoing
Email." To make sure it is working under "What to do when scanning
Email" select "Display tray icon when processing Email."

If that doesn't do it, I suggest you contact Symantec at
http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/.

HTH!

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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie

Hello Joyce,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:51:34 PM you wrote in
009301c229bc$0067fa80$340c08d5@joycesala">mid:009301c229bc$0067fa80$340c08d5@joycesala (at least in part):

> Well, with TB! you see the outgoing window, but you don't see the
> active icon for the incoming mail, so why shoul I think it IS
> indeed scanning it??

You should not believe. You should know. I was not telling your setup is
100% perfect and everything works like a charm even if it looks different.
I was just telling you The Bat! AV-Plugins have nothing to do with NAV-2002
and it's transparent proxy function. If NAV-2002 does not scan properly
when The Bat! connects _AND_ the settings for server and port are
identically in The Bat! to the one on OE/NC there's something messy with
NAV-2002. I don't use it myself, I just do know how it's expected to work
from reading technical manuals and the TB-lists.
so have a look into NAV-log file and ask NAV technical support (maybe
online forums or user lists???) why NAV could deny to scan your incoming
mails; it shouldn't if it's set up to scan port 110 traffic and The Bat!
connects to port 110.
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Re[3]: Palm Sync.


   On Friday, July 12, 2002, Freddie Freeloader wrote in
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FF> I want to add my 2 cents as well.  PLEASE, we need an address book
FF> (and email) conduit for the Palm OS.

If anyone develops a conduit for TB!, the synchronization of the AB
and the mailboxes should be kept separate. The user should be allowed
to determine whether the AB information will be sync'ed. I am sure
there are many users like me who would be glad to sync their mail, but
would *not* want the handheld AB to sync with TB!'s AB. My handheld AB
is fine just the way it is, sync'ing with Lotus Organizer.

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Re: TB! Address Book Import from OE6/Netscape 4.79 - Total newbie


Hello Joyce,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:55:36 PM you wrote in
009d01c229bc$909e9e60$340c08d5@joycesala">mid:009d01c229bc$909e9e60$340c08d5@joycesala (at least in part):

> Is there a way to do that transformation without reinstalling
> CC479?

Download

http://www.iasnet.ru/~jia/ftp/inet/mail/wab2ldif/wab2ldif.exe

Open your OE .wab file with this application and save as LDIF.

I don't know if and how the 'Export to The Bat!' function works, so 'Save
as LDIF' is the more secure way of doing it.

P.S.: Thanks for keeping caps lesser in your mail than in previous ones. :-)
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Re[2]: POP3s problem

2002-07-12 Thread Mihai


Hello Peter,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 4:56:10 PM, you wrote:

PP> Hello Mihai,

PP> On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 3:42:49 PM you wrote in
PP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

M>> The problem resides on the fact that I do not have an certificate

PP> Yes. It does.

PP> But you can fetch the necessary certificate and import it into your
PP> 'Trusted Root CA' address book in The Bat! and everything should work
PP> smoothly.

PP> You'll need to fetch

PP> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/openssl.rar

PP> extract it's content and call

PP> openssl.exe s_client -tls1 -host  -port 995

PP> in a command line.

PP> There you'll get a lot of text, some of it "embraced" between

PP> '-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-' & '-END CERTIFICATE-'

PP> You'll need to copy this whole part including '-BEGIN ...' and
PP> '-END ...' into a text file on your hard disk.

PP> Now you'll need to create a new entry in your The Bat! address book in
PP> section 'Trusted Root CA'. Name it to your needs, the shown names doesn't
PP> matter. On the 'Certificate' tab there is an 'Import' button. Use it and
PP> point the dialog to the text file you've just saved.

PP> Now you should be done, IF the certificates 'CN' entry (which you have no
PP> influence on) is the very same as the name you've entered as the one for
PP> 'Mail server' in 'Receive mail' section in account properties.

PP> If you're unsure about the whole stuff tell me only the servers name you're
PP> trying to fetch your mail from and I'll catch the certificate, compare the
PP> names and if positive send you the text file you'll need to import into
PP> TB!-AB.

PP> HTH Pit

Thank you and Ralf van der Enden for the responses. Now it works fine.

RITLabs didn't disappointed me with this e-mail client.

The Bat! is for e-mail clients what Dos Navigator was to dos shells a
few years ago!

Keep up the good work !


Mihai



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Navigating to next message in thread


I thought I'd seen this request here, but couldn't find it in the
archives.  How does one navigate from one message in a thread to the
next??  The arrow icons in the message viewer do not do it, regardless
of whether the thread is expanded.

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RE: customize toolbar?


Greetings Peter,

>[Non-customizable tool bar]
>> [...] it's a big problem for those of us that are
>accustomed to use the
>> toolbar buttons for every common action (Move, Copy, Undo, etc.)
>
>That's one thing I don't understand since aeons.
>
>The average user that handles his/her few mails a day might
>use tool bars
>quite often as he/she gets no chance to 'learn' the more
>efficient ways of
>working with such a powerful toll like The Bat!. But he/she
>should really
>be able to wait for v2 as it doesn't really matter if tool bars are
>customizable now or then.

I agree, I'll gladly wait for version 2. It's not URGENT, for sure.

>The 'power user', that handles quite a lot of mail daily (no
>numbers; it's
>a matter of personal opinion if 100 is 'a lot' or if the
>'deadline' is 500)
>can't be satisfied with using tool bar for every action.

I am not a power user, but, yes, what you say makes sense. However,
even the power user, who has probably automated just about everything,
will once in a while receive messages that don't "fit" any rule.
Dealing with these messages is easier, FOR ME, using the toolbar.
Others will undoubtedly prefer the keyboard, the context menu, drag
and drop, whatever. Great!, live and let live! My only point is that
the toolbar features in TB are not at par with its other features and
would be nice to have them improved.

>Can anybody explain to me, why tool bars are _this_
>important to so many
>people, that they'd like to see them customizable better
>yesterday than
>tomorrow?

If you can understand why the keyboard is so important to you then I
am sure you can understand why the toolbar is for others (me
included). Different persons with different tastes, preferences,
habits, skills. We are different, thank God, and Vive la différence!
as the French say (hope it's not misspelled...)

>Therefore it has to be the 'I use my MUA quite more than 2
>times a day'
>user and _even_ these people should be on the search for
>most effective use
>of time, shouldn't they? And this can't be reached by using
>only 'tool
>bars', or can it?

Why SHOULD anybody do anything? And who is to decide what's the most
effective use of anybody's time if not him/herself?

>Any comment is welcome, this e-mail is no 'judgment' in any
>matter; It's a
>pure expression of MHO and the serious question to myself
>and everybody out
>there: why the hell are tool bars this important, especially the
>customizable ones?

As said before, ask yourself why the keyboard is important to you,
replace the word keyboard for toolbar and you've got your answer.

In my case, I guess it's a habit. I am used to it and feel comfortable
working as I do. Since I am the "chooser", I choose programs that fit
my way of doing things, and if I find a program that I like and don't
quite comply with how I work I'll try to suggest whatever improvements
I deem appropriate. No big deal, no urgency, no nothing. Either that
or keep looking for what I like. Isn't that what most of us do?

>P.S.: Sandro: Your signature delimiter is defect  :-)

Would you believe I don't know what a "signature delimiter" is?
Anyway, it's probably because I am still using Outlook.

Best wishes,

Sandro



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Re[2]: Palm Sync.

2002-07-12 Thread Freddie Freeloader


Hello Tim,

Monday, July 8, 2002, 4:58:02 AM, you wrote:

I want to add my 2 cents as well.  PLEASE, we need an address book
(and email) conduit for the Palm OS.

TM> As far as I know, RIT has no plans to do anything along these lines,
TM> but I am trying to get something put together from people on this
TM> list. Will keep the list informed.




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Re: TB! Address Book Import from OE6/Netscape 4.79 - Total newbie


Peter,

> In Netscape open the address book, export it to 'LDIF' format
and you're
> able to import the resulting file into TB!-AB.

Is there a way to do that transformation without reinstalling
CC479? I have unistalled it when I successfully moved to OE6
(where I also had an address book problem, which i didn't mind as
I new my OE stage was temporary).

Joyce




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Re: Problems installing recent versions

2002-07-12 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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TF> ... I'm wondering if there's something in my mail archive that
TF> could be causing some problems, as I did copy my mail archive over
TF> onto my work machine before I updated TB.

Okay - here's a long shot. Use the TB backup to backup everything.
Lock stock and two smokings.

Now zip up the whole folder for good measure.

Now wipe down the entire base, folders, address book, templates and
everything.

Once everything is back down to zero, try the upgrade. It may or may
not work.

If it does work, use the Restore to bring back all the data into the
working environment.

If not, restore into the old environment and we'll put out rhinking
caps back on again.

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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie


Hi Peter,

Thank you for your speedy reply.
However... I beg to differ:

> You NAV is already scanning, regardless what e-mail-client
you're using, IF
> this client connects to a mail server on ports 25 & 110
(default).
>
> You don't need additional scanning in The Bat!, unless you do
_exactly_
> know what you're doing and might missing with deactivating
NAV-2002
> background-network-scan.

You see, both in OE and CC4.79, when NAV scans the incoming emails
you see an active icon on the task bar: first a lens, then an
envelope opening up for EACH message.

And for outgoing, it actually opens a small yellow window saying
it's scanning your outgoing email.

Well, with TB! you see the outgoing window, but you don't see the
active icon for the incoming mail, so why shoul I think it IS
indeed scanning it??

Or am I missing something?

Joyce
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Re[2]: Problems installing recent versions

2002-07-12 Thread Sergey Uvarov

Dear Tim,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 4:25:33 PM, you wrote:

>> Don't you use Ivanopulo crack? :-).(TB! Crack server). It does not
>> work with 1.6X versions.

TF> Nope, it's definitely not that - I have a fully legitmate paid-for
TF> copy of TB thank you very much :).  I'm wondering if there's something
TF> in my mail archive that could be causing some problems, as I did copy
TF> my mail archive over onto my work machine before I updated TB.

TF> I really would like access to some of the features post version 1.60,
TF> so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated... :/

Sorry for that. I said this because i have such kind of experience on
computer, where long time ago was installed this crack. TB! 1.60
simply refuses to install - splash screen of TB! appears, then
installation process stops. Same for copy of TB! installed on another
computer which was transfered on this - splash screen, than abort.
I have spend more than hour because i did not know about this crack
installed. I founded it somwhere in registry / autostart and kill.

First - try to install TB with new dummy account - after this -
make new account with yours old folder. Delete all *.tbi (index) files
in your old folder - TB! will recreate it - it will take some time at
start.

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Generating a self-signed certificate for POP3s

2002-07-12 Thread Ralf van der Enden


Hi,

I have a linux box running QPopper 4.04 (from Eudora). After generating a self-signed 
certificate for it, I tried connecting to it with The Bat!. The result is that TB! 
drops the connection after getting / verifying the certificate. Not giving up I tried 
connecting to it with Outlook Express and everything worked fine. I imported the 
certificate in both TB! and OE, so that can't be the problem.

After examining the QPopper log files I noticed a difference in the cyphers used.

Here's an extract:

This is when connecting with TB! 1.61 <--
Jul 12 16:10:25 gateway qpopper[23179]: (v4.0.4) TLSv1/SSLv3 handshake with client at 
gateway.cainites.net (192.168.0.1); new session-id; cipher: DES-CBC3-SHA (DES-CBC3-SHA 
SSLv3 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1), 168 bits
Jul 12 16:11:16 gateway qpopper[23179]: (null) at gateway.cainites.net (192.168.0.1): 
-ERR POP EOF or I/O Error
-->

This is what I get when I connect with Outlook Express <--
Jul 12 16:21:35 gateway qpopper[23299]: (v4.0.4) TLSv1/SSLv3 handshake with client at 
enden.wldelft.nl (145.9.223.251); new session-id; cipher: RC4-MD5 (RC4-MD5 SSLv3 
Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=RC4(128) Mac=MD5 ), 128 bits
Jul 12 16:21:36 gateway qpopper[23299]: Stats: tremere 0 0 0 0 enden.wldelft.nl 
145.9.223.251
-->

This is what I used to generate the certificate:
openssl genrsa -out server.key 1024
openssl req -new -key server.key -out server.csr
openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in server.csr -signkey server.key -out server.crt

Does anyone have any experience using QPopper and TB! or know of a way to get this to 
work? Did I use invalid commandline options when generating the certificate.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Best regards,
Ralf van der Enden



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Re[2]: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie

2002-07-12 Thread Ochrid


Hello Peter,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 4:31:57 PM, you wrote:


PP> Hello Joyce,

PP> On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:28:49 PM you wrote in
PP> 005f01c229b8$d2dcc440$340c08d5@joycesala">mid:005f01c229b8$d2dcc440$340c08d5@joycesala (at least in part):

>> What am I doing wrong?

PP> You're trying to mix up a plugin for TB! and NAV-2002 general 'Transparent
PP> proxy work' already done w/o TB!. Ignore The Bat! plugins interface for
PP> virus scanning. Leave them out, don't care about them.

PP> You NAV is already scanning, regardless what e-mail-client you're using, IF
PP> this client connects to a mail server on ports 25 & 110 (default).

I use NAV 2002 and sent myself the eicar.com 'virus' .
Norton did not sound the alarm.

How else can I check whether my incoming mail is properly
scanned?

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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie


Hello Joyce,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:28:49 PM you wrote in
005f01c229b8$d2dcc440$340c08d5@joycesala">mid:005f01c229b8$d2dcc440$340c08d5@joycesala (at least in part):

> What am I doing wrong?

You're trying to mix up a plugin for TB! and NAV-2002 general 'Transparent
proxy work' already done w/o TB!. Ignore The Bat! plugins interface for
virus scanning. Leave them out, don't care about them.

You NAV is already scanning, regardless what e-mail-client you're using, IF
this client connects to a mail server on ports 25 & 110 (default).

You don't need additional scanning in The Bat!, unless you do _exactly_
know what you're doing and might missing with deactivating NAV-2002
background-network-scan.
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TB! Import of mail folders (mailboxes?) from OE6 - Total newbie





Hello to all TB! friends.    
 
I'm still trying to sort out all my various installation problems. 
Now I'm left with 3 specific ones, for which I'm writing separately, so 
that you can be free to choose what to answer to.
 
Thank you in advance for all your help.
 
IMPORT OF MAIL FOLDERS from OE6
 
After a long and belabored series of unsuccessful trials, I finally  
succeeded in importing my mail FOLDERS (are these what TB! calls mailboxes?) to 
TB!
 
Problem is, that it has CHANGED THE DATE of each specific mail to the DATE 
OF IMPORT, obviously creating quite a havoc...
 
How can I import SMOOTHLY my folders while KEEPING the original date of 
receipt of each single message?
 
Please forgive me for my ignorance, but I really didn't know that this 
change over would have required so much trouble and programming 
knowledge!:(((
 
Thanks in advance for your patience and help.
 
Joyce
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Re: TB! Address Book Import from OE6/Netscape 4.79 - Total newbie


Hello Joyce,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 5:21:55 PM you wrote in
005301c229b7$dc3f86e0$340c08d5@joycesala">mid:005301c229b7$dc3f86e0$340c08d5@joycesala (at least in part):

> ADDRESS BOOK - Importing from Netscape4.79 (preferable), or from OE6.

In Netscape open the address book, export it to 'LDIF' format and you're
able to import the resulting file into TB!-AB.
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The facts, although interesting are irrelevant.



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Re: Problems installing recent versions

2002-07-12 Thread Tim Fountain

On Friday, July 12, 2002, Sergey Uvarov wrote:

> Friday, July 12, 2002, 10:20:36 AM, you wrote:

>> I've been a long-term user of the bat, but I've been having a lot
>> of trouble updating my copy of the program recently. Whenever I
>> download the newest version, after installing it the program
>> freezes on the startup banner (and has to be closed by Windows).

> Don't you use Ivanopulo crack? :-).(TB! Crack server). It does not
> work with 1.6X versions.

Nope, it's definitely not that - I have a fully legitmate paid-for
copy of TB thank you very much :).  I'm wondering if there's something
in my mail archive that could be causing some problems, as I did copy
my mail archive over onto my work machine before I updated TB.

I really would like access to some of the features post version 1.60,
so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated... :/

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TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie





Hello to all TB! friends.    
 
I'm still trying to sort out all my various installation problems. 
Now I'm left with 3 specific ones, for which I'm writing separately, so 
that you can be free to choose what to answer to.
 
Thank you in advance for all your help.
 
ANTIVIRUS NAV 2002 settings on TB!
 
My NAV is instructed to scan all incoming and outgoing mail, which it did 
in Netscape and does now in OE, with no further configuring needed inside the 
mail programs themselves. On the other hand, something weird is happening with 
TB!
 
It does NOT scan incoming mail, it does OCCASIONALLY scan outgoing mail, it 
requires (or so I think) some strange plug-in I don't know of, and it refuses to 
find what it needs in the NAV directory.
 
What am I doing wrong?
 
Thanks in advance for all your help in this.
 
Joyce
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RE: Re[2]: Palm Synch


Hi Laura,

>I am a developer, and what a mess it makes if you have
>independent applications making you maintain their own
>address-book or contacts. this is one global thing we humans
>all keep..
>phone book!! our phonebooks contain all kinds of info about
>people.. i put birthdays, anniversaries,  in my paper
>phonebooks, fax#, cell#,
>email, lots of notes about the person.. so in electronic world.
>.that is what i'm looking for.. something simple.. but if I want
>to set up a meeting or a visit with someone in my address book..
>darn it i want them to be in MY ONLY darn address book!  Calendar
>and scheduling is also something I view as very important and
>needs a common address/contact book..

I know it's not what you are looking for, but -just in case- take a
look at Dawn
(http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~zakharin/Software/download.html) AFAIK
it's great at converting address books.

Hope you find it useful in the meantime.

Best regards,

Sandro



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TB! Address Book Import from OE6/Netscape 4.79 - Total newbie




Hello to all TB! friends.    
 
I'm still trying to sort out all my various installation problems. As it 
turned out, uninstalling and reinstalling TB! solved most of all the misterious 
problems. Now I'm left with 3 specific ones, for which I'll write separately, so 
that you can be free to choose what to answer to.
 
Thank you in advance for all your help.
 
ADDRESS BOOK - Importing from Netscape4.79 (preferable), or from OE6.
 
Try as I might, I do not seem to find a way to make it import an address 
book, as it allows only abb, tbb files which I obviously don't have. 
Furthermore, it gives me the choice for CSV and TAB separators, which I really 
don't know how to apply to my previous programs.
 
Any ideas please?
 
Thanks you for your patience.
 
Joyce
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Re: POP3s problem

2002-07-12 Thread Ralf van der Enden


Hi,

The Bat! needs the public key from the POP3s server. You can obtain it by doing the 
following:
openssl s_client -connect mail.server.com:995 -showcerts

The Certificate will be encased between the following lines:
-BEGIN CERTIFICATE- 
-END CERTIFICATE- 

Copy those lines and everything between them, save it to a textfile (name it something 
like server.crt) and then include it in the Trusted Root CA folder in your Address 
Book. You should then be able to connect to the server without any trouble.

Regards,
Ralf vd Enden

- Original Message - 
From: "Mihai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 12 July 2002 15:42
Subject: POP3s problem


Hello!

I have an POP3s email account on a server but I don't have a
Certificate to use with the SSL connection. Until now I used Outlook
Express to get the e-mail from that account. Each time I connected to
the server the client asked me if I trust the certificate or not. If I
said "Yes" all was OK.

Because I heard many good things about The Bat!, I decided to test it and try to get 
mail
from the POP3s account. In the logs I see the following lines:

 12.07.2002, 15:01:25: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 12.07.2002, 15:01:27: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
 12.07.2002, 15:01:30: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

I don't know if this means something for you but it sure means
something to me because I have 6 emails and The Bat! sais "0 messages received"
without any error message or something. Although I selected to be
prompted for password every time it connects to the account I'm not
asked any password at all. This is why I think that somehow the client
skips the entire authentication phase.

The problem resides on the fact that I do not have an certificate or
there is something wrong with my account configuration ?

My configuration is:
Authentication: regular
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): 995

In Outlook Express the only thing I did was to select the option "This
server requires a secure connection (SSL)" and (almost) all was fine.

How can I resolve this problem with The Bat! ?


Thank you,
Mihai



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Re: Problems installing recent versions

2002-07-12 Thread Sergey Uvarov


Dear Tim,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 10:20:36 AM, you wrote:



TF> I've been a long-term user of the bat, but I've been having a lot of
TF> trouble updating my copy of the program recently. Whenever I download
TF> the newest version, after installing it the program freezes on the
TF> startup banner (and has to be closed by Windows). I have a copy of
TF> 1.53d lying around, so luckily I can reinstall that copy and get
TF> access to my email again, but it's still a bit of a problem!

TF> Originally I assumed it was just a problem with my machine (running
TF> Windows 2000), but yesterday I tried installing the latest version on
TF> my machine at work (which runs Windows XP Pro), and that had the same
TF> problem.

TF> Does anyone have any ideas?

 Don't you use Ivanopulo crack? :-).(TB! Crack server). It does not
 work with 1.6X versions.



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Sergey Uvarov

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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!


Hello Barry,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 3:25:19 AM, you wrote:

BH> I was trying a 'demo' version of NAV and had the same problem you
BH> describe but with version 3.0.118!

What OS do you use?

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Re: POP3s problem


Hello Mihai,

On Friday, July 12, 2002 at 3:42:49 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

M> The problem resides on the fact that I do not have an certificate

Yes. It does.

But you can fetch the necessary certificate and import it into your
'Trusted Root CA' address book in The Bat! and everything should work
smoothly.

You'll need to fetch

http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/openssl.rar

extract it's content and call

openssl.exe s_client -tls1 -host  -port 995

in a command line.

There you'll get a lot of text, some of it "embraced" between

'-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-' & '-END CERTIFICATE-'

You'll need to copy this whole part including '-BEGIN ...' and
'-END ...' into a text file on your hard disk.

Now you'll need to create a new entry in your The Bat! address book in
section 'Trusted Root CA'. Name it to your needs, the shown names doesn't
matter. On the 'Certificate' tab there is an 'Import' button. Use it and
point the dialog to the text file you've just saved.

Now you should be done, IF the certificates 'CN' entry (which you have no
influence on) is the very same as the name you've entered as the one for
'Mail server' in 'Receive mail' section in account properties.

If you're unsure about the whole stuff tell me only the servers name you're
trying to fetch your mail from and I'll catch the certificate, compare the
names and if positive send you the text file you'll need to import into
TB!-AB.

HTH Pit
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POP3s problem

2002-07-12 Thread Mihai


Hello!

I have an POP3s email account on a server but I don't have a
Certificate to use with the SSL connection. Until now I used Outlook
Express to get the e-mail from that account. Each time I connected to
the server the client asked me if I trust the certificate or not. If I
said "Yes" all was OK.

Because I heard many good things about The Bat!, I decided to test it and try to get 
mail
from the POP3s account. In the logs I see the following lines:

 12.07.2002, 15:01:25: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 12.07.2002, 15:01:27: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
 12.07.2002, 15:01:30: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

I don't know if this means something for you but it sure means
something to me because I have 6 emails and The Bat! sais "0 messages received"
without any error message or something. Although I selected to be
prompted for password every time it connects to the account I'm not
asked any password at all. This is why I think that somehow the client
skips the entire authentication phase.

The problem resides on the fact that I do not have an certificate or
there is something wrong with my account configuration ?

My configuration is:
Authentication: regular
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): 995

In Outlook Express the only thing I did was to select the option "This
server requires a secure connection (SSL)" and (almost) all was fine.

How can I resolve this problem with The Bat! ?


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Re: Palm Synch

2002-07-12 Thread Thomas F


Hello Marck,

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:17:56 +0100 GMT (12/07/02, 17:17 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

TF>> ... I would think it is time for a seperate addressbook program
TF>> into which email clients, PIMs, and other application can hook
TF>> into...

MDP> I don't get it.

I am proposing a seperate program for address maintanance.

MDP> Still the language problem persists. Here's why I prize the TB
MDP> "address book" (let's call it the email address manager, because
MDP> that's what it really is):

MDP> Multiple email addresses per entry

This would be in my proposed AB database.

MDP> Group templates
MDP> Individual templates per entry

TB would still need a module that hooks into the database. Assuming
that no other program might need the templates, these could be owned
by TB and not the central AB database, if you so wish. That does not
change the fact that the email address / name / phone number etc
dsiplayed in the module of TB is really data read from the central
database.

MDP> Tight interaction between filters / groups / multiple addresses
MDP> Integration with macros (%AB.)

No problem here. TB will need to read the central database anyway, so
these functions will still be possible.

MDP> Address auto-view giving a "video-mail" like capability when the
MDP> photo facility is used.

The photo could still be in the central database.

MDP> *Every one* of these superb features would be compromised (interfered
MDP> with) by the use of an external AB or PIM. No PIM would even *want* to
MDP> hold the kind of information used to give this functionality.

No, a PIM would not. A PIM would only read the info that it is
interested in. But, if I update the email address or phone number from
within the PIM or from within TB, the central database will be
updated. I do not need to change from within the PIM, then from within
TB, then from within 

MDP> I don't want addresses and phone numbers in TB.

TB doesn't need to read them in.

MDP> The TB email address manager ROCKS! Just stop calling it an Address
MDP> Book and it suddenly looks *so* fit for purpose.

I don't think my proposal includes cutting down on functionality. It
is only that data that is probably used by multiple applications
doesn't need to be stored by each application seperately. Duplication
would thus be avoided, and so would synchronisation issues. For the
user it would be transparent; he would even know whether the data
comes from within TB or from a central database.

MDP> Sure, all names in one place has merit on paper, but clear thought and
MDP> analysis shows what a waste of space it would be to chuck all people
MDP> data in one place.

I think we would be avoiding duplication. A main point is
synchronisation of databases which would not be necessary any more.

MDP> I just haven't seen one that isn't full of holes and fuzzy
MDP> thinking yet.

That is another issue. You are probably right that what I suggest does
not exist yet. A good email client didn't exist either before two
novice programmers started writing TB... ;-)

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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Peter Fjelsten


Allie,

On 12-07-2002 13:08, you [A] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
A> There are other things that it does, but I mainly use it for macros.
A> It's very stable and carries a very small memory footprint.

I use it a lot also for keyboard mapping (not at least the disabling of
the caps lock key). It is great!

There is a Yahoo group discussing it


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Re: How to Indent?

2002-07-12 Thread Sudip Pokhrel


Hi Januk,

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:07:38 -0700 GMT (Jul 12, 11:37 my time),
you [JA] wrote:

JA> The %wrapped macro seems to handle it correctly. Try it with the
JA> multi-paragraph wrap QT:
JA> 

This works like a charm Januk ! Thanks a lot. Isn't it possible to
combine this macro with the "bq" macro to automatically wrap the
pasted quotes? How?

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Re: customize toolbar?


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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Cartwright [PC] wrote:

PC> tell me more... I would think maybe something like SHIFT-right
PC> arrow for next message, SHIFT-down arrow for next thread might be
PC> nice. What is this powerpro??

The shortcut customizer for TB! has been disappointing since the scope
of choices for remapping doesn't include single keys and the remapped
keys don't always work well especially the ones that normally work
whichever sub-window is in focus. However, it's a new feature-set so I
hope and expect that it will be improved upon. Until then PowerPro is
my friend.

It's a macro tool extra-ordinaire. It can carry out keyboard stroke
sequences, execute apps, bring windows in focus etc. These sequences
can be bound to hotkeys. These hotkeys can be window bound, i.e., they
work only when a particular window is in focus or they can be made
system wide. You can execute these macros using hotkeys or using
toolbar buttons that you create. There are other things that it does,
but I mainly use it for macros. It's very stable and carries a very
small memory footprint. I use it a lot with TB!.

You can get it here:

http://home.inforamp.net/~crs2086/


Another interesting aspect is that it's free. ;)


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Re: Palm Synch


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MDP> Of course, this is all IMHO and only to provide the counterpoint.
MDP> I accept that not everyone uses information in the same way and
MDP> that there may yet be some truly compelling argument for full
MDP> integration. I just haven't seen one that isn't full of holes and
MDP> fuzzy thinking yet.

Marck, I agree COMPLETELY with your sentiments on this issue. I've
always done so but you made your point so well here, I had to
comment.:)

The only working crossroads I see here is easy synchronization between
the two managers to avoid having to duplicate some contacts.

The tight integration of the TB! with it's address book and the
functionality that tight integration offers would be lost with a
centralized system approach.

This basically illustrates the difference in priorities based on
peoples needs. Those who need a calendar in TB! actually need a good
stand alone PIM that support a export/import format that TB!'s address
book does. Synchronisation isn't even necessary in the majority of
instances. The entries in both usually only overlap. In my case, the
overlap is really small though I agree that the overlap would be much
greater in some instances. I strongly think that this particular last
point is being focused on way too much while ignoring the importance
of TB!'s tightly integrated address book in terms of functionality
that wouldn't be needed elsewhere on one's system with the converse
applying. A PIM would offer a lot of functionality that simply isn't
needed in the context of e-mail.

The two need to be separate!

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Re: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Paul Cartwright



On Friday, July 12, 2002, 5:45 AM, you wrote:


ACM> The same here though the shortcut mapping is really awkward. I use
ACM> PowerPro to remap the keystrokes I use most often. For example, 'N' to
ACM> go to the next message is a lot nicer than Ctrl-] or Ctrl-Alt-right.

tell me more... I would think maybe something like SHIFT-right arrow for
next message, SHIFT-down arrow for next thread might be nice. What is
this powerpro??


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Re: Palm Synch

2002-07-12 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Thomas,

@12 July 2002, 14:20 +0700 (08:20 UK time)  Thomas F [TF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

TF> ... I would think it is time for a seperate addressbook program
TF> into which email clients, PIMs, and other application can hook
TF> into...

I don't get it. Still the language problem persists. Here's why I
prize the TB "address book" (let's call it the email address manager,
because that's what it really is):

Multiple email addresses per entry
Group templates
Individual templates per entry
Tight interaction between filters / groups / multiple addresses
Integration with macros (%AB.)
Address auto-view giving a "video-mail" like capability when the
photo facility is used.

*Every one* of these superb features would be compromised (interfered
with) by the use of an external AB or PIM. No PIM would even *want* to
hold the kind of information used to give this functionality.

I don't want addresses and phone numbers in TB. I *do* want the extra
space those fields provide so that I can cheat group templates to use
(e.g.) %ABtofax them to give extra levels of intelligent
customization.

The TB email address manager ROCKS! Just stop calling it an Address
Book and it suddenly looks *so* fit for purpose.

The cross-over between addresses in my PIM and addresses in TB is so
small. 10% of my TB contacts are in my PIM. 105 of my PIM contacts are
in my TB AB. The information I keep in TB about those people only ever
crosses over in the Name. That's it.

Sure, all names in one place has merit on paper, but clear thought and
analysis shows what a waste of space it would be to chuck all people
data in one place.

Of course, this is all IMHO and only to provide the counterpoint. I
accept that not everyone uses information in the same way and that
there may yet be some truly compelling argument for full integration.
I just haven't seen one that isn't full of holes and fuzzy thinking
yet.

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Re: customize toolbar?


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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Palmreuther [PP] wrote:

PP> ...In my experience the heavy mail using people are only satisfied
PP> (if ever) when using the most efficient way of handling the mails.
PP> And using the mouse ain't that one, especially not when relying on
PP> tool bars. Using context menu (right mouse button) might be the
PP> 'near the goal' way of doing several actions, but it still
PP> requires me leaving the keyboard. Most action can be done using
PP> the keyboard, that's one of the big plusses why I'm using The
PP> Bat!.

The same here though the shortcut mapping is really awkward. I use
PowerPro to remap the keystrokes I use most often. For example, 'N' to
go to the next message is a lot nicer than Ctrl-] or Ctrl-Alt-right.

PP> The rest can most the time be done using RMB, I for myself don't
PP> even have the tool bars visible.

I've disabled the toolbar for the ticker browse window which is where
I read the majority of my new mail. I hardly use the toolbars
elsewhere.

PP> Can anybody explain to me, why tool bars are _this_ important to
PP> so many people, that they'd like to see them customizable better
PP> yesterday than tomorrow?

Well, as someone who wasn't always keyboard centric and who uses
toolbars in applications that aren't often used and hence will not
commit to memory the keyboard shortcuts; it's nice to be able to
arrange the toolbar the way I wish. An uncluttered toolbar, especially
one that contains only the buttons that I use, arranged in a way I
prefer, is a lot more comfortable for me to use. I enjoyed using Agent
that much more since I could reduce its toolbar to just 4 buttons,
nicely spaced (keyboard otherwise). I could then get at the buttons
quickly and easily.

PP> My Girlfriend relies on tool bars quite a lot, because she handles
PP> their 10-20 mails per days with the mouse (OK, TouchPad) and likes
PP> it this way. But she never complained about them not being
PP> customizable.

I wouldn't use that as an index. Many don't complain about Outlook
Express. Does this mean that better than Outlook Express isn't needed
or that they wouldn't appreciate better if they saw it?

It's often just a matter of taste. Some couldn't care less about
something while others do.

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Re[2]: customize toolbar?

2002-07-12 Thread Bernd Gauweiler


PP> My Girlfriend relies on tool bars quite a lot...

I'm not sure if your girlfriend is representative for the purpose of
this discussion. It seems you prefer keyboard shortcuts and your
girlfriend prefers the toolbar. You might want to appreciate others have
other preferences?

Besides, configurable toolbars were a really cool feature a few years
ago. Now, its just standard.

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Re[4]: Zone Alarm, was (Re: Strange File Extensions in Attachments)

2002-07-12 Thread Julian Knight


Hello Joseph, on 11/Jul/2002 you wrote:

JN>On Thursday, July 11, 2002, Julian Knight wrote in
JN> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JK>> However, when my son grows up enough to need Internet access I will
JK>> probably pay for the Agnitum one.

JN> Why?


Because it gives me parental control, control over the appearance of
adverts, cookie use, email filtering, multi-user configuration (on one
PC), better leak protection & more.
The supposed benefits of the pro version are listed here: 
http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpost/benefitspro.html

The only reason I haven't switched to the free version is that it
crashed my XP based laptop after installation - however, Agnitum do
warn of this being a potential clash between the DLL's of competing
firewalls (I didn't want to uninstall KPF I just disabled it).

PS: Some last minute checking on the web turned up this interesting
article on leak testing: http://www.pcflank.com/art21.htm - it
contradicts what I had heard elsewhere about Agnitum Outpost being
better than KPF at leak tests though the other things still apply.

In reality, I wont allow my children to connect directly to the
Internet without supervision until I know they are old enough to deal
with the issues - the appalling stuff that turns up in innocent web
searches and delivered to my email continues to convince me of this.

Sorry again about the OT, I'll turn off my evangelist mode now!

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