Re: the bat! freezes when trying to compress/purge

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Fiber,

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:55:46 -0500GMT (26-2-03, 3:55 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

F> I'm reporting this: Everytime I try to do some maintenance stuff or
F> if I want to just compress/purge everything for an account, The
F> Bat! freezes.

F> How come my Outbox folder weighs about 140 Mo??? I tried to delete
F> the Outbox files for my main account but it just recreated that big
F> file...

Unless you're sending real big files or lots of them, your outbox
shouldn't get that big, so you might be on to something. To eliminate
other possibilities, follow this procedure.

Close TB (without purge & compress)
Reboot your computer
Check your mail partition with scandisk
Delete all temporary files from your disk (clean disk, or whatever
it's called in the explorer)
Disable your virusscanner and firewall
Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files from your outbox
  (Which one is so big? The .tbi shouldn't get into that league)
You need more than three or four times as much free space than your
biggest folders on the disk where Windows stores it's temporary files
(if you don't know what disk that is, it's probably  C: )
Start TB
Purge and compress all folders for an account
If it doesn't work now, you've got yourself a bug.

Since you're using a beta, you could go back to 1.62i and follow this
procedure again. If 1.62i produces results, then you were having a beta
problem and you should pursue the matter on tbbeta. If 1.62i fails
too, the problem is more basic.

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Re: Deleting many many messages

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Deborah,

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:42:53 +GMT (25-2-03, 19:42 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

DW> Is there a quick'n'easy way to delete all the stuff in TB? I want
DW> to remove all accounts, all messages,

Select an account and in the menu:
 Account -> Delete -> Delete account files -> Yes
Should be rather quick. Just tested it on a 215 MB account I created
(copied) for the occasion, with lots of folders and parked messages.
The only (sub)folders that weren't deleted were those with non TB
files.

Before you do this, remember to back-up your address book.

TB needs one account to function properly, so I don't know if you can
delete all of them. (Just create a new one before you kill the last.)

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Folder column settings

[Hartwig Harder]

Dear Bat Users,

where can I set permanently the column settings of the Ticker folder ?

i.e. I set the columns and they stayed as they are, the settings
survived restarts after restarts, no problem at all, until now. I used
go to folder and when I revisted the ticker news folder they were
reseted. What happened ? Why were they changed back to a apperant
default setting and where can I set the default setting for the Ticker
news folder ?

Cheers & Thanks a lot,

Hartwig


PS: thanks a lot as well for answering my previous questions about the
sound when receiving emails, but I wasn't sure if it would be against
the netiquette to just say 'thanks a lot, problem solved' as it
creates traffic with no real information.



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Re: new feature wished

[Peter Fjelsten]

Fiber,

On 26-02-2003 04:37, you [F] wrote in
:

F> What about a shortcut key that would go to the next unread
F> message no matter in what account is this message? A sort of
F> universal CTRL + ]

People have been asking for this for a _long_ time. I think it's strange
it hasn't been implemented yet.

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Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Mark Partous]

Hello Bats,

I'm not a programmer myself, but would it be very difficult to provide the
option to set the reader to automatically read HTML (override the general
setup) on a folder-basis?

In some folders, all of the messages are in HTML

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Quoted text in replies - almost there...

[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

Roelof got me sorted, and my reply template looks like this:

> %QuoteStyle='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(\w)"%-
> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OFromFName"%-
> %SUBPATT="1"%-
> %SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(\w)"%-
> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OFromLName"%-
> %SUBPATT="1"%-'
> %CAPITAL='%OFromFName',
> 
> %Cursor
>  etc...

Unfotunately this inserts a blank line above the '%OFromFName'.

Can anyone (or Roelof!) tell me:

 - why this happens and how I can fix it?

 - can I set a global QuoteStyle as I see no reason not to use this
 everywhere?

 
Thanks again,

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Re: Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Gerd Ewald]

Good afternoon Mark Partous !

  
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:12 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 26.02.2003, 11:51 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Mark Partous)
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


> I'm not a programmer myself, but would it be very difficult to provide the
> option to set the reader to automatically read HTML (override the general
> setup) on a folder-basis?

Did you try:
Options, Preferences, Viewer,RTF/HTML ??

HTH

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Re: Quoted text in replies - almost there...

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 11:51, Nick Dutton wrote:

> Roelof got me sorted, and my reply template looks like this:

>> %QuoteStyle='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(\w)"%-
>> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OFromFName"%-
>> %SUBPATT="1"%-
>> %SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(\w)"%-
>> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OFromLName"%-
>> %SUBPATT="1"%-'
>> %CAPITAL='%OFromFName',

> Unfotunately this inserts a blank line above the '%OFromFName'.

> Can anyone (or Roelof!) tell me:

>  - why this happens and how I can fix it?

Change the last two lines from:

%SUBPATT="1"%-'
%CAPITAL='%OFromFName',

to:

%SUBPATT="1"%-'%CAPITAL='%OFromFName',

That should do it.

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Re[2]: Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Mark Partous]

Hello Gerd,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 12:08:48 PM, you wrote:

GE> Good afternoon Mark Partous !

  
GE> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:12 +0100 GMT your local time,
GE> which was 26.02.2003, 11:51 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Mark Partous)
GE> wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:


>> I'm not a programmer myself, but would it be very difficult to provide the
>> option to set the reader to automatically read HTML (override the general
>> setup) on a folder-basis?

GE> Did you try:
GE> Options, Preferences, Viewer,RTF/HTML ??

GE> HTH

Unless I'm doing something completely wrong, that changes TB's behaviour for
ALL folders!??


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threading does not work

[Roman Katzer]

Hello all,

as I'm sure most of you have noticed, the threaded view of messages on
this list works just wonderfully. This is because you can set TB to sort
by references and most users on this list do use The Bat to write their
messages. References and subjects are generated correctly. Pure bliss.

However, in the cruel world out there there are other mailing lists! Lists
that have users with all kinds of mail programs. Threaded view doesn't
work on these lists, neither threading by reference nor threading by
subject. Somehow TB doesn't thread messages correctly that haven't been
created with TB. At least most of the time.

I don't think that all other mail programs generate bad subjects or
references, so why does TB not work?
Sure, I could go out there and evangelize, ask them to use TB, but some of
them might not be inclined to use a new program.

Instead, might it be possible that TB is fixed to thread correctly? Look
at the code of mutt (a free, open-source mail client in the unix world) to
see how robust threading is implemented. They have only one option to
thread, and that works as good as can be expected, way better than TB.

This is one of the very few points in which I think TB can be greatly
improved. I hope the developers are getting this.

Best regards, Roman


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Re: Backup has, restore won't!

[Roman Katzer]

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 12:43:44, Gerard wrote:

> Have you ever heard of the Nettiquette rule of have a maximum of 4 lines
> as a sig?

In addition to what Mark said, I count seven lines of signature in your
message.

Roman

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Re: Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Gerd Ewald]

Good afternoon Mark Partous !

  
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:17:48 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 26.02.2003, 12:17 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Mark Partous)
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

[...]

GE>> HTH

> Unless I'm doing something completely wrong, that changes TB's behaviour for
> ALL folders!??

Haven't tried it yet, but I assume: yes! I couldn't find any option
for folders only. Furthermore I think there is no options for accounts
only :-/

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Re: Checking attachments by Antivirus: HOW ?

[James P. Mattern, Jr]

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Hello James

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:13:21 +0500 GMT
   (2/25/2003, 7:13 AM -0500 GMT), Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:


AAG> Would You consult me, where and what I should set up in filter, that
AAG> The Bat runs Antivirus program to check every attachment in received mail?


You can run a dos scanner using filters.  The following link give
a great example:

http://www.guenther-eisele.de/bat/fprot_e.htm


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Re[2]: Deleting many many messages

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 9:01:17 PM, Marcus Ohlström wrote:

MO> You could make a backup with Tools->Backup and exclude the folders and
MO> other stuff you don't want, then follow Peter's suggestion but instead
MO> restore from the backup.

It occurred to me after I turned off the computer last night that I
could back-up what I wanted to keep, then uninstall & re-install &
restore from the back-up. I don't know why I didn't think of it before
(though it probably has something to do with my brain being consumed by
flu).

MO> Be aware though of the problem that has been reported with the backup
MO> tool, I wouldn't want to rely on it being capable of making a restore.

It worked perfectly :-)

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Re: Quoted text in replies - almost there...

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, Marcus Ohlström wrote...


> Change the last two lines from:

> %SUBPATT="1"%-'
> %CAPITAL='%OFromFName',

Wouldn't also moving the ' back 2 places work?  ie:

  %SUBPATT="1"'%-

Or would that break the marcos?

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Re: threading does not work

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, Roman Katzer wrote...

> as I'm sure most of you have noticed, the threaded view of messages
> on this list works just wonderfully. This is because you can set TB
> to sort by references and most users on this list do use The Bat to
> write their messages. References and subjects are generated
> correctly. Pure bliss.

The mails contain the In-Reply-To: and References: headers? If the
mails have those, then threading should work just perfectly if you do
it by references. I've not had a problem, and I'm on a few lists that
contain a lot of different mailers. Outlook/Outlook Express seem to
break the threads on a regular basis, so I'm not too surprised that
you might find threading doesn't work in that case. Threading by
subject is normally a useful option in this case, but can produce some
odd results, I'd guess, in large threads.

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Re[2]: Checking attachments by Antivirus: HOW ?

[Philip Storry]

Hello Marck,

Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 12:39:40 PM, you wrote:

MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/SophosNT.BAV
MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Sophos95.BAV
MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Panda.BAV
MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Nod32.BAV
MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/BitDefSt.BAV
MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/AntiVirNT.BAV
MDP> ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/AntiVir95.BAV

OK, I'm being stupid here. I can tell that Sophos is the top two, and
that Panda is the third.
The fourth has me stumped - NOD32?
BitDefSt also has me wondering...
AntiVirNT/AntiVir95 is for a freeware product, if I recall the names
correctly.

However, some kind of text file in that FTP directory explaining what
each file is for would be welcome - it seems like a puzzle at the
moment!


I'm running Norman Virus Control, and I don't think that any of those
are of use to me. But a text file there would tell me that without
having to try each one I don't know about...

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Invalid SSL protocol

[Charlie Law]

I've been trying for several day to get The Bat! to connect to my e-mail
server, which requires an SSL connection to ports 995 (POP3) and 465
(SMTP).

Each time I get this log report:

 2/26/2003, 14:07:14: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 2/26/2003, 14:07:18: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
!2/26/2003, 14:07:19: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Invalid protocol version.
 2/26/2003, 14:07:19: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

I've tried verifying the certificate for my server. I'm using the same
settings that work well in Outlook and Eudora.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. BTW, I've worked earlier with
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Re: Quoted text in replies - almost there...

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 15:07, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

>> %SUBPATT="1"%-'
>> %CAPITAL='%OFromFName',

> Wouldn't also moving the ' back 2 places work?  ie:

>   %SUBPATT="1"'%-

> Or would that break the marcos?

Don't know. I tried adding an extra %- at the end but that didn't help,
never tried moving the ' though.

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Re: Checking attachments by Antivirus: HOW ?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Philip,

@26-Feb-2003, 13:57 Philip Storry [PS] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

PS> OK, I'm being stupid here. I can tell that Sophos is the top two, and
PS> that Panda is the third.
PS> The fourth has me stumped - NOD32?

Nod32 - generally acknowledged to be the best there is in AV
software. Fast, small footprint, low impact, 100% hit rate and
reliability.

PS> BitDefSt also has me wondering...

Bit Defender.

PS> AntiVirNT/AntiVir95 is for a freeware product, if I recall the names
PS> correctly.

PS> However, some kind of text file in that FTP directory explaining what
PS> each file is for would be welcome - it seems like a puzzle at the
PS> moment!

Not really. You download the BAV file that matches the AV software
you use. If you don't recognize the name then it's not for you.
Simple enough I should have thought.

PS> I'm running Norman Virus Control, and I don't think that any of those
PS> are of use to me.

Correct.

 ... 

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Re: Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mark,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:12 +0100 GMT (26/02/03, 17:51 +0700 GMT),
Mark Partous wrote:

> I'm not a programmer myself, but would it be very difficult to provide the
> option to set the reader to automatically read HTML (override the general
> setup) on a folder-basis?

I think this would be a good idea (under folder options). Why don't
you send it to the wishlist?

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Re: threading does not work

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jonathan,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:11:21 -0600 GMT (26/02/03, 21:11 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:

> The mails contain the In-Reply-To: and References: headers? If the
> mails have those, then threading should work just perfectly if you do
> it by references. I've not had a problem, and I'm on a few lists that
> contain a lot of different mailers. Outlook/Outlook Express seem to
> break the threads on a regular basis,

In my last office, I mailed with a lot of people who used Novell
Groupware in their office. In their mail program as well as in Outlook
(of my collegues), the threads displayed fine, but with TB they
didn't. At the time I knew which header it was that Novell uses and TB
doesn't understand, but there is a shortcoming on TB - or at least
was, at that time, with that TB version.

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Re[2]: Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Mark Partous]

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 3:37:03 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Mark,

TF> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:12 +0100 GMT (26/02/03, 17:51 +0700 GMT),
TF> Mark Partous wrote:

>> I'm not a programmer myself, but would it be very difficult to provide the
>> option to set the reader to automatically read HTML (override the general
>> setup) on a folder-basis?

TF> I think this would be a good idea (under folder options). Why don't
TF> you send it to the wishlist?

Is there a special format or E-mail address for such a wishlist?

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Re[2]: Checking attachments by Antivirus: HOW ?

[Philip Storry]

Hello Marck,

Thanks for the quick reply!

I'll check out NOD32 when my NVC subscription ends - but I think I
have another year or so to go there, so I'm in no rush.

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 2:32:03 PM, you wrote:

MDP> Not really. You download the BAV file that matches the AV software
MDP> you use. If you don't recognize the name then it's not for you.
MDP> Simple enough I should have thought.

I suppose so. I was just thinking that less technical users might not
find it that easy. Of course, I suppose the counter to that is that
less technical users should not be nosing around on FTP servers for
files they know little about. :-)

PS>> I'm running Norman Virus Control, and I don't think that any of those
PS>> are of use to me.

MDP> Correct.

Ah well. It still picks things up when they're saved to the temporary
folder. :-)

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Re: Quoted text in replies - almost there...

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:51:05 +GMT (26-2-03, 11:51 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> %SUBPATT="1"%-'
>> %CAPITAL='%OFromFName',

As Jonathan wrote, make it '%- after the last sunpatt instead of %-'
After all I wrote that there might be better solutions. ;-)

ND>  - why this happens and how I can fix it?

The why takes some more lines.
TB macros are placed in the text body. Some are intended to insert
some text and they do so.
However, some are intended to change a header or something immaterial
like a quotestyle. In those cases TB uses the macro and, since it's
placed in the message body, tries to compute the text that needs to be
inserted. Since there is no text to be inserted, there's only the new
line at the end of the macro. So TB inserts a new line.
There are four ways to negate this effect:
1) Place something that generates some text immediately behind the
   macro. When there's no new line in your template, TB won't place
   one. This way has two major disadvantages:
   a) It diminishes your template's readability (esp with complex macros)
   b) When your macro doesn't end with a quotation mark or when the
  text generating string isn't a macro itself, the macro won't be
  recognized by TB ("%singlereHi All," will be treated different than
  "%singlere
   Hi All")
2) Place the macro at the end of your template. Any white lines at the
   end of the message will be skipped by TB. Won't work for all
   macros, since for some of them the sequence they're encountered has
   some meaning.
3) Place them someplace where you'd like a blank line, this might not
   always be possible and it diminishes readability.
4) Use the %- macro. It does nothing except negating the new line
   immediately after it. It can also be used in the middle of complex
   macros to break them down to different lines to keep track on what
   you're doing. Note that it has to be the last thing on the line to
   do it's thing.

ND>  - can I set a global QuoteStyle as I see no reason not to use
ND>  this everywhere?

Ypu can set global quotestyles, but those options don't include
complex regexp. You can place the macro into your account reply
template, so it will be used everywhere unless you select a specific
template to be used.

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Re: Folder Specific Reader Setup

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mark,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:47:43 +0100 GMT (26/02/03, 21:47 +0700 GMT),
Mark Partous wrote:

TF>> I think this would be a good idea (under folder options). Why don't
TF>> you send it to the wishlist?

> Is there a special format or E-mail address for such a wishlist?

Yes. Follow the link at the bottom of every posting on this list, and
then click on "Bug reporting and feature requests".

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Re: the bat! freezes when trying to compress/purge

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Fiber,

>   Hi everyone,
>
> I'm reporting this: Everytime I try to do some maintenance
> stuff or if I want to just compress/purge everything for an account,
> The Bat! freezes.

But also:

> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.63 Beta/7)

I would suggest you report it in the TBBeta list.

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Re: new feature wished

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Peter,

> People have been asking for this for a _long_ time. I think it's strange
> it hasn't been implemented yet.

Developers don't have the time. They are busy implementing a new tab
in the message pane (window) to display the RFC-822 headers, which is
a real need felt by everyone ;-)

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Re: threading does not work

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Roman,


> This is one of the very few points in which I think TB can be greatly
> improved. I hope the developers are getting this.

It is not a problem in TB. Threading by reference, as some one else
has already said, uses the References: header line (that is why is
called threading by _reference_) and also the In-Reply-To: line. There
are some e-mail clients that do no include these header lines as
default (or not at all) and so TB has no way of finding out to which
message (Message-ID) someone replied to.

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Re: Checking attachments by Antivirus: HOW ?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Marck!

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 11:03 PM, you wrote:

M> Isn't support for Kaspersky AVP built in? Just go to the TB AV
M> configuration screen, select "Add" and Kaspersky is there as an
M> extra option. ...

That's how I plugged Kaspersky into TB! So far, it's working
flawlessly--for about three months now.

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Re: new feature wished

[Edvinas Matiusaitis]

- Original Message -
From: "Miguel A. Urech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Peter Fjelsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: new feature wished


> Developers don't have the time. They are busy implementing a new tab
> in the message pane (window) to display the RFC-822 headers, which is
> a real need felt by everyone ;-)

I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new
features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be
released? I already doubt it...

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Sobig

[Robert Silver]

Hello ,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 10:59:49 AM, you wrote:
I  am  getting  very annoyed by the existence of way too many infected
emails with the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] virus
This virus causes Norton antivirus to continually put up popup alerts.
Now  the  bat  used  to  do  this for Klez. Is it possible to download
definitions  to  update the bats current virus detection settings or a
patch for this purpose?



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Re: new feature wished

[Marck D Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Edvinas,

@26-Feb-2003, 20:12 +0200 (18:12 UK time) Edvinas Matiusaitis said:

>> Developers don't have the time. They are busy implementing a new tab
>> in the message pane (window) to display the RFC-822 headers, which is
>> a real need felt by everyone ;-)

> I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new
> features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be
> released? I already doubt it...

The developers are now split into two teams in two separate
locations. One, headed up by Stefan, is going to work on the v1
series, which will continue to be available and improved after v2 is
out and about. The other is working hard on v2.

Does that help your understanding?

- --
Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator
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Re: Checking attachments by Antivirus: HOW ?

[John Morse]

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
MDP> Nod32 - generally acknowledged to be the best there is in AV
MDP> software. Fast, small footprint, low impact, 100% hit rate and
MDP> reliability.

"generally acknowledged" I guess is a good way to put it. There are
still many others out here who prefer Grisoft AVG, which is just as
good!

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Re: new feature wished

[John Morse]

Edvinas Matiusaitis wrote:
EM> I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new
EM> features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be
EM> released? I already doubt it...

 This looks like a nice try to "speed" them up, but I think they are
 probably already working hard as they can.
 
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Re: threading does not work

[Roman Katzer]

Hi Miguel,

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 19:03:05, Miguel A. Urech wrote:
> It is not a problem in TB.

I think it is. It might not be absolutely accurate to do some fuzzy
threading, but what the heck! If mutt can do it, why not TB?
It might only be a combined by references/by subject threading, but so be
it.

Roman

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Re[2]: new feature wished

[DG Raftery Sr.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Wednesday, February 26, 2003
1:56:41 PM
RE: "new feature wished"

Greetings Edvinas,

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 1:12:20 PM, you wrote:

EM> I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new
EM> features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be
EM> released? I already doubt it...

Being a developer myself I'd say this falls into the category of " You get
your cake and eat it too!". Version 2 is being developed with features that
are "new" yet I am sure this will be a "paid" upgrade path for registered
1.xxx users however you still get further development and improvement on
v1.xxx.

In most cases this is an unheard of development and progression cycle as
most companies would stop developing a 1.xx series and develop a 2.xx
series whereas you pay to upgrade or you stay with a "dead" version.

I see no complaint here!

- --
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 DG Raftery Sr.

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Thread-by-subject / Case sensitivity

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUDL,

When the individual you correspond with is using an email program that
does not use the headers "In-Reply-To" and "References" I like to
thread-by-subject.  The problem is the case sensitivity.

subject thread-by-subject
216-432-002 FYI 05-03.cpp not same   yes
Re: 216-432-002 FYI 05-03.cpp not same as book   yes
RE: 216-432-002 FYI 05-03.cpp not same as book   no

Don't you think thread "thread-by-subject" would be better if "case
sensitivity" was eliminated as a determinating varible?
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Re: threading does not work

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jonathan,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, at 08:11:21 GMT -0600 (2/26/2003, 8:11 AM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in
:

> Threading by subject is normally a useful option in this case, but can
> produce some odd results, I'd guess, in large threads.

I think eliminating the case sensitivity as a variable determinant from
thread-by-subject would help a LOT.  Other than that I think TB has
GREAT threading options.  See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Funny thing is I posted this message before I ever saw this thread. :-)

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Re: threading does not work

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, at 19:03:05 GMT +0100 (2/26/2003, 12:03 PM -0500
GMT here), you wrote in :

> It is not a problem in TB. 

Agreed!

Except I think thread-by-subject could be made better by eliminating
case sensitivity as a determining variable.  See my
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I posted it before I ever saw
this thread. :-)  Take care and have a good day!

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Re: Thread-by-subject / Case sensitivity

[Greg Strong]

Hello Greg,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, at 13:47:57 GMT -0600 (2/26/2003, 1:47 PM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in :

> Don't you think thread "thread-by-subject" would be better if "case
> sensitivity" was eliminated as a determinating varible?
 ^
 variable

Sorry!

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Re: Sobig

[Daniel Grunberg]

Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:08:20 [GMT -0500] (11:08 AM EST here) Robert
Silver wrote:

> Hello ,

> Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 10:59:49 AM, you wrote:
> I  am  getting  very annoyed by the existence of way too many infected
> emails with the
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] virus
> This virus causes Norton antivirus to continually put up popup alerts.
> Now  the  bat  used  to  do  this for Klez. Is it possible to download
> definitions  to  update the bats current virus detection settings or a
> patch for this purpose?

When McAfee VirusScan recognizes a virus in a download file, the virus
is confined. If VirusScan can't "clean" the file, it "deletes" the
file. When a file is "deleted," it's as though it never existed on my
system. When a file is "deleted" the message it's associated with is
left on the mail server. You have to delete the file from the server,
or your system will try to try to "download" it the next time you Get
New Mail; VirusScan will not allow the infected mail to be gotten; the
infected mail will remain on the server; ...

I suspect that Norton AV works like McAfee VirusScan.

To delete the infected file from the mail server --

Select:  TheBat! | Account | Dispatch Mail on Server | All Messages
  Uncheck all boxes.
  Find the infected message.
Check the infected message's Delete box.
  Select:  Message | Execute


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Re: new feature wished

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello DG,

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Wednesday, February 26, 2003
> 1:56:41 PM
> RE: "new feature wished"
>
> Greetings Edvinas,
>
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 1:12:20 PM, you wrote:

Can I ask you something with all respect? I know the first two line
can't be avoided if you use PGP. But what about repeating the date,
Time and Subject (plus two blank lines) in the body of the message?
Are they really necessary when that same information is just a little
above on the header pane?

I ask you because, I admit it, I am curious about your reasons and
also because I am quite lazy about having to scroll a message down
when it actually would not be necessary ;-)

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Re: Thread-by-subject / Case sensitivity

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Greg,

> Don't you think thread "thread-by-subject" would be better if "case
> sensitivity" was eliminated as a determinating varible?

Agree!!

A similar thing happens if, on the message list pane, you just want to
display all the messages with an specific subject by Alt+Clicking on
that subject. Depending on the Re:'s and Fwd:'s not all messages are
displayed some times. A bit annoying.

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Re[2]: the bat! freezes when trying to compress/purge

[Fiber]

RO> Close TB (without purge & compress)
RO> Reboot your computer
RO> Check your mail partition with scandisk
RO> Delete all temporary files from your disk (clean disk, or whatever
RO> it's called in the explorer)
RO> Disable your virusscanner and firewall
Did all that.

RO> Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files from your outbox
And unfortunately I did that too. So I played it smart and first
exported all messages concerned by the future deletion to another
place. Then I deleted the .TBB and .TBI files. Relaunched The Bat!,
re-imported the messages and ran some maintenance (that went pretty
well).

Thanks a lot for your advice!

The Bat! is a great tool. Fantastic.

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Re[2]: new feature wished

[DG Raftery Sr.]

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Hash: SHA1

Wednesday, February 26, 2003
6:02:17 PM
RE: "new feature wished"

Greetings Miguel,

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 3:45:52 PM, you wrote:

MAU> But what about repeating the date, Time and Subject (plus two blank
MAU> lines) in the body of the message? Are they really necessary when
MAU> that same information is just a little above on the header pane?

The header pane does not reflect actual information. Just sent and
received and it may be deceiving based on the MUA used.

I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence daily and
I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and display time, that
once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the new or reply templates that I
have here, that there is NO doubt on the receiver end at what time I
created the reply. So ...

To answer your question YES. There is a strict, procedural reason why I do
this.

Sorry.

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Re: new feature wished

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, DG Raftery Sr. wrote...

> I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence daily and
> I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and display time, that
> once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the new or reply templates that
> I have here, that there is NO doubt on the receiver end at what time I
> created the reply. So ...

> To answer your question YES. There is a strict, procedural reason why I
> do this.

Not to jump in or anything... but I somehow don't think the people on
the list are *that* worried about that kind of information being that
valid.  As a second point...

Monday, March 3, 2003

:)  Sorry ;)  PGP Signed to boot :)

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Re: new feature wished

[Jonathan Angliss]

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Hash: SHA1

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, Jonathan Angliss wrote...

>> I affix my PGP signature

> Monday, March 3, 2003

> :)  Sorry ;)  PGP Signed to boot :)

I also forgot to point out... PGP signatures have a date/time stamp in
them anyway. If the person is really curious at when you signed the
email to send it... then that'd be the place to look... not what you
wrote.  Of course... you can set your clock back on your pc, and do
all kinds of fancy tricks... but hey

- --
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Re[3]: new feature wished

[Philip Storry]

Hello DG,

I don't wish to nitpick - I'm new on the list, and have only been
lurking until today. But I did just want to make a couple of
points...

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 11:10:35 PM, you wrote:

DRS> The header pane does not reflect actual information. Just sent
DRS> and received and it may be deceiving based on the MUA used.

That's true, the headers reflect the time on the MUA, not the time on
your PC. Either clock could be wrong or right. The recipient can make
an educated guess at which is more correct, but will rarely have any
proof.

DRS> I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence
DRS> daily and I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and
DRS> display time, that once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the
DRS> new or reply templates that I have here, that there is NO doubt
DRS> on the receiver end at what time I created the reply. So ...

Created. Not sent. A very important difference, for some people. When
I received this message, it said that it was sent at 23:10. That's
perfectly correct. Yet your procedure adds the time at time of
creation. From that, I can surmise that it took you eight minutes to
create the reply. (Not necessarily an accurate time, especially as
either machine - your MUA or PC - could be out by a minute or more,
for all I know.)

More importantly, though, The Bat! correctly shifted the first MUA
timestamp to MY timezone when it displayed it in the message list.
That's why I said 23:10 - I had to shift your in-message datestamp
into my timezone manually in order to get the time taken when
calculating the above. A trivial operation, but I could only do this
because I'm aware of the fact you're in a different timezone after
having looked at the headers to see what the time on your first MUA
was.

That's why I rely upon the MUA timestamps, as do many people - because
good mail clients will adjust the times to suit the reader's timezone.

I therefore have two suggestions: Firstly, consider stating your
timezone after the time in your new message/reply templates. That will
help prevent any confusion on your recipient's side.

Secondly, at least one person obviously prefers to read the message,
then worry about times. I doubt there would be a complaint if this
information appeared in your sig, like this:

Message created on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 6:02:17 PM EST

The information will still be there, just at a slightly different
location - and far clearer for all your recipients, who will then be
able to differentiate between time zones AND the date/time created and
the date/time it was handled by the MUA, as per your intentions.


All of this was intended in a helpful, constructive and friendly
manner, naturally. Do with it as you wish. :-)

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Re: new feature wished

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello DG,

OK, I understand your reasons business correspondence. Just like
me. I spend must of my day reading and writing business
correspondence. But, if I use here the same templates I use for
business correspondence, I will top post and full quote (like I am
doing now :)

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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61

Maybe I should use my business signature also (and this is not a
Cookie :)


> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Wednesday, February 26, 2003
> 6:02:17 PM
> RE: "new feature wished"
>
> Greetings Miguel,
>
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 3:45:52 PM, you wrote:
>
MAU>> But what about repeating the date, Time and Subject (plus two blank
MAU>> lines) in the body of the message? Are they really necessary when
MAU>> that same information is just a little above on the header pane?
>
> The header pane does not reflect actual information. Just sent and
> received and it may be deceiving based on the MUA used.
>
> I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence daily and
> I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and display time, that
> once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the new or reply templates that I
> have here, that there is NO doubt on the receiver end at what time I
> created the reply. So ...
>
> To answer your question YES. There is a strict, procedural reason why I do
> this.
>
> Sorry.
>
> - --
> Regards,
>  DG Raftery Sr.
>
> Never trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent.
>
> The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/7
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re[4]: new feature wished

[Philip Storry]

Hello Folks,

One minor correction to my previous email - I use MUA when I meant to
use MTA. All the way through the email, too!

This is a sign that it is time for me to sleep. :-) Sorry for any
confusion this generates.

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 Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Line ofReplies?

[Kim]

Hi all,

Is there a way to keep the number in brackets from appearing in the
subject line of replies (example: Re[2]:)? I was replying to one of my
mailing lists earlier today, and it was sent back by a list moderator
requesting that I re-submit the post without the [2] because most list
members wouldn't receive it. This is the first time I've come across
this, but I'm still pretty new to using The Bat. I don't remember
having this problem with my old e-mail client. Is this a normal
situation, or is it just a feature of The Bat? Do I have something set
up incorrectly?

Thanks.  :)

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Kim



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Re: How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Lineof Replies?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Kim,

> Is there a way to keep the number in brackets from appearing in the
> subject line of replies (example: Re[2]:)?

Account/Properties/Templates/Reply and de-select (un-tick) "Use reply
numbering in the subject line".

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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Lineof Replies?

[Kim]

Hi Miguel,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 7:47:30 PM, you wrote:

> Account/Properties/Templates/Reply and de-select (un-tick) "Use reply
> numbering in the subject line".

Thanks for the very fast and very accurate reply. That was just what I
was looking for!  :)

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Kim



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Re: How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Lineof Replies?

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, Kim wrote...

> Is there a way to keep the number in brackets from appearing in the
> subject line of replies (example: Re[2]:)? I was replying to one of
> my mailing lists earlier today, and it was sent back by a list
> moderator requesting that I re-submit the post without the [2]
> because most list members wouldn't receive it. This is the first
> time I've come across this, but I'm still pretty new to using The
> Bat. I don't remember having this problem with my old e-mail client.
> Is this a normal situation, or is it just a feature of The Bat? Do I
> have something set up incorrectly?

If you have a template for just that mailing list, you can use the
macro %SINGLERE or if it is on an account, select the account, go to
Account, Properties, Templates, Reply, and remove the tick from the
"Use reply numbering in subject".

- --
Jonathan Angliss
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Re: How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Lineof Replies?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Kim,

> Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 7:47:30 PM, you wrote:

Nope. It was Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:47:30 +0100 :)

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Re: How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Lineof Replies?

[Kim]

Hi Jonathan,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 8:00:42 PM, you wrote:

> If you have a template for just that mailing list, you can use the
> macro %SINGLERE or if it is on an account, select the account, go to
> Account, Properties, Templates, Reply, and remove the tick from the
> "Use reply numbering in subject".

Thanks so much for your help. I'm continually amazed at the
helpfulness and speedy replies of the members of TBUDL. Kudos!

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Kim



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Re: How to Avoid the Use of [numbered brackets] in the Subject Lineof Replies?

[Kim]

Hi Miguel,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 8:05:27 PM, you wrote:

> Nope. It was Thu, 27 Feb 2003 01:47:30 +0100 :)

Sure...in YOUR neck of the woods it isbut it's still Wednesday
February 26 where I live in Florida.  Of course, the way I look
forward to Fridays and the end of the week, I *wish* it was Thursday
here already!

-- 
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Kim



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Unrecognizable Cyrillic Characters in Message Source Window

[Sergey Kalabekov]

Hello The Bat! users:

I can't properly see a source of a message if it's encoded in Cyrillic.
Here is the piece of a message from the source window:
o?AOEAI,
IU OIOA ?IUAOA?INAI OAAN O iI?UI cIAII E OAIAAI ?OACI IAEIO?UACI!
There is no option of choosing an encoding of the source.

Does anyone know how to handle the problem without installation the
International Pack?

Sincerely,
-- 
Sergey E. Kalabekov

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Re: Sobig

[Mike Alexander]

Hi Robert,

Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 4:08:20 PM, you wrote:

RS> Hello ,

RS> Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 10:59:49 AM, you wrote:
RS> I  am  getting  very annoyed by the existence of way too many infected
RS> emails with the
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] virus
RS> This virus causes Norton antivirus to continually put up popup alerts.
RS> Now  the  bat  used  to  do  this for Klez. Is it possible to download
RS> definitions  to  update the bats current virus detection settings or a
RS> patch for this purpose?

Now that is really weird. My Norton just deals with it. (you know,
it downloads it deals with it and leaves a text message saying it's
done so).  Is your Norton AV up to date?

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 Mike   




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Running The Bat on the server of a web hostnig company

[Loan Officer]

Hi Everyone:

Is there a way to install and run The Bat on the server 
of a web hosting company instead of on one's personal 
computer?

I know this may seem like a crazy question, but with all the
things this program does, I wondered if that's possible too. 
I'm looking for a way to use the Bat without having to leave 
my PC on all the time to filter and re-route messages. 

If it's not possible, I would greatly appreciate anyone who
can recommend a program comparable to The Bat in 
features that is "web-based".

Thanks,

Carlton Roark

P.S. I saw something on the home page of RITLABS.com
called Bat Post, an email server program, but there does
not appear to be any documentation about the program,
and when I downloaded it and looked at it, it did not 
appear to be what I was looking for.

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Re: threading does not work

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Miguel,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:03:05 +0100 GMT (27/02/03, 01:03 +0700 GMT),
Miguel A. Urech wrote:

>> This is one of the very few points in which I think TB can be greatly
>> improved. I hope the developers are getting this.

> It is not a problem in TB. Threading by reference, as some one else
> has already said, uses the References: header line (that is why is
> called threading by _reference_) and also the In-Reply-To: line.

Novell Groupware uses another one. I do not remember which one, but TB
failed to recognise it. Other mailers threaded fine on it. I am sorry
to be this insistant without having an example, but I don't have any
mails from my old company.

-- 

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Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

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the experience.

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Re: the bat! freezes when trying to compress/purge

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Fiber,

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:44:12 -0500GMT (26-2-03, 23:44 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files from your outbox
F> And unfortunately I did that too. So I played it smart and first
F> exported all messages concerned by the future deletion to another
F> place.

Well, I didn't realize you were keeping messages in the Outbox,
probably because I hardly save any drafts in it.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof



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Re: threading does not work

[Marcus Ohlström]

I agree this is a very important issue. However, TBBETA is a better
place to suggest and discuss new features, I therefore cross post your
letter there (or here, depending on where you are reading this :-)

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Marcus Ohlström

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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 12:16, Roman Katzer wrote:

> as I'm sure most of you have noticed, the threaded view of messages on
> this list works just wonderfully. This is because you can set TB to sort
> by references and most users on this list do use The Bat to write their
> messages. References and subjects are generated correctly. Pure bliss.

> However, in the cruel world out there there are other mailing lists! Lists
> that have users with all kinds of mail programs. Threaded view doesn't
> work on these lists, neither threading by reference nor threading by
> subject. Somehow TB doesn't thread messages correctly that haven't been
> created with TB. At least most of the time.

> I don't think that all other mail programs generate bad subjects or
> references, so why does TB not work?
> Sure, I could go out there and evangelize, ask them to use TB, but some of
> them might not be inclined to use a new program.

> Instead, might it be possible that TB is fixed to thread correctly? Look
> at the code of mutt (a free, open-source mail client in the unix world) to
> see how robust threading is implemented. They have only one option to
> thread, and that works as good as can be expected, way better than TB.

> This is one of the very few points in which I think TB can be greatly
> improved. I hope the developers are getting this.



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