Re: Can you Park a thread?

[Joseph N.]

   On Friday, August 22, 2003, Dennis W. Greer wrote in
:

DWG>  Is it possible to park a collapsed thread.

Dennis,

Yes.  Right-click/Thread/Park.  If there's a keyboard shortcut, I'm
not aware of it.  You can probably set up a hotkey, though.

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Re[2]: Filtering problem

[Karen Kay]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> Hello Karen,

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:37:15 -0500 GMT (23/08/2003, 10:37 +0700 GMT),
> Karen Kay wrote:

>>> Do you have any filter that moves messages to trash? It may be a
>>> catch-all.

>> Yes, I have several filters that move messages to trash. They all
>> specify a recipient that is some form of my domain name. Personal mail
>> is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but junk mail can be addressed to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would have thought that these addresses would
>> be discrete, though. Am I wrong?

> Let me understand this:

> 1.) You have a folder that moves messages From [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
> trash.

No, I have a filter that moves messages addressed to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to Trash. This is what I want to happen.
Messages addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are also being moved to
Trash, but I want messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED], including TBUDL
messages, to stay in the Inbox.

> 2.) TBUDL messages are being moved to trash.

> May it be that only those you wrote yourself are being moved to trash?

No.

> If all are moved, then de-activate the filters one by one and see when
> the unwanted behaviour stops. That's be the culprit.

Er, thanks. I have about 50 filters, and I did get rid of them all,
but it seemed that the moment I put the first filter, this behavior
started again.

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Re: Filtering problem

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Karen,

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:37:15 -0500 GMT (23/08/2003, 10:37 +0700 GMT),
Karen Kay wrote:

>> Do you have any filter that moves messages to trash? It may be a
>> catch-all.

> Yes, I have several filters that move messages to trash. They all
> specify a recipient that is some form of my domain name. Personal mail
> is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but junk mail can be addressed to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would have thought that these addresses would
> be discrete, though. Am I wrong?

Let me understand this:

1.) You have a folder that moves messages From [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
trash.

2.) TBUDL messages are being moved to trash.

May it be that only those you wrote yourself are being moved to trash?

If all are moved, then de-activate the filters one by one and see when
the unwanted behaviour stops. That's be the culprit.

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Re[2]: Filtering problem

[Karen Kay]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> Do you have any filter that moves messages to trash? It may be a
> catch-all.

Yes, I have several filters that move messages to trash. They all
specify a recipient that is some form of my domain name. Personal mail
is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but junk mail can be addressed to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would have thought that these addresses would
be discrete, though. Am I wrong?

Karen




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Re: Filtering problem

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Karen,

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:43:56 -0500 GMT (23/08/2003, 06:43 +0700 GMT),
Karen Kay wrote:

> Now, for some reason, mail not affected by the filters (like this
> mailing list e-mail) ends up in Trash!

Do you have any filter that moves messages to trash? It may be a
catch-all.

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Re: Downloading e-mail on to second computer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello sacksa,

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:40:21 -0500 GMT (23/08/2003, 04:40 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In order to install The Bat on to my laptop, do I need a second license?

The licences for the 1.xx versions are "one-person licences". You can
use TB with one registration on different computers, but not at the
same time. This was Ritlab's reply to me when I asked them the same
question a few years ago, as I had one copy of TB installed at home,
and another one in the office.

The licences for v2 will be "single-computer licences", the way I read
it, but don't quote me on that.

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Re: blah!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Stan,

@22-Aug-2003, 20:58 -0500 (02:58 UK time) Stan Robins [SR] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

SR> No doubt asked and answered before, but could you give an
SR> example of a macro that puts the link to the original message
SR> into the reply preamble?

I use this quick template:

,--/ MSGID \--
| mid:%SETPATTREGEXP=";<(.*)>"%REGEXPMATCH="%OMSGID"
`-8<-

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

> If you just received a confirmation Greg, it worked! Thanks again.

Well not yet. You have to be careful with using the confirmation with
list messages. I ran under test with the default 'Reading confirmation'
template on a TBUDL message. It replies to the list, so I think the
'Reading confirmation' template sends to the 'Reply-To:' address. On
TBUDL this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would think you wouldn't be
using with list mail, so the address should be ok.

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Re[2]: blah!

[Stan Robins]

Mark:

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 3:43:38 PM, I received a message in
which you wrote:

(Text not relevant to my reply may have been snipped.) 

> @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

No doubt asked and answered before, but could you give an example of a
macro that puts the link to the original message into the reply preamble?

This feature was news to me. Thanks.

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Re[3]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello John,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 7:15 PM:

JB> If you just received a confirmation Greg, it worked! Thanks again.

It seems the list owner doesn't allow confirmation receipts but the
hot key works on e to myself. I think you hit it on the head Greg!
Thanks again.

P.S. The use of 'e' for email is my way of reducing abbreviations to a
minimum. It is a noun, singular and plural, a verb and just about
anything you want!
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Re[5]: reading confirmation

[Karen Kay]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bill Blinn-Technology Editor wrote:
> Sometimes things are buried deep in the menus. Open Sorting Office,
> choose the Actions tab, and scroll down. The options on the actions
> tab are:

> Mark as read
> Flag ...
> Set priority ...
> Set colour ...
> Park
> Delete
> Delete from server
> Print (last one visible on my machine without scrolling)
> Add addresses
> Delete Addresses
> Sent auto-reply
> CREATE READING CONFIRMATION (FORCED)

Sure enough!:) Thank you, I shall wear a dunce cap for the rest of the
week.

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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Greg,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:51 PM:

GS> on the 'Options' tab select 'Execute action set of this rule by
GS> pressing the Hot Key:' and hit the keys you want.

If you just received a confirmation Greg, it worked! Thanks again.
  

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

> Thanks to you Greg and the other correspondents.

No problem. To be honest I didn't know how to do it, but know some of TB
basics. When I saw your question I thought it might be something useful
for me down the road, and figured it out.  This is how I learn TB. With
so many features the only way to learn is by using them.

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

> They sure are buried! I must learn not to ignore scroll bars! What
> will that 'forced confirmation' do? Will it confirm *every* message
> arriving at that folder?

No not if you set it up as a 'Read messages' filter.

> My initial question remains - can I 'force' a confirmation on any
> specific e in the whole account?

If you mean 'e' as in email, then yes with the your designated hot key.

> Sometimes I might want to assure someone that the e has been read and
> will be answered later even though the message is from a new contact
> whose e filters to 'Inbox'.

You can use the filter how ever you want, however you may want to edit
your 'Reading confirmation' template under the 'Account properties'
(Shft+Ctrl+P) or Account | Properties.

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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Greg,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:51 PM:

GS> Or conversely just copy this filter and paste it into your office
GS> filters under 'Read messages'

Now that sounds like the answer to a maiden's prayer - well, mine
anyway. I'll experiment.

This exercise has taught me a lot. Thanks to you Greg and the other
correspondents.

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Mod: IO219

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi T'Buddlers,

After private mails from the slightly anonymous io219 (although I
did note the sign off "Tomi" in one of his posts) in which he has
promised not to swear on-list again, Allie and I have decided to let
him back on.

Let's make this a clean start and try to remember the community
flavour that we try to encourage here.

We should try to understand that he has come here angry and confused
about the way TB has been behaving for him and the lack of support
he feels he has experienced to date from RITlabs.

Thanks, y'all.

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Re[5]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Bill,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:39 PM:

BBTE> Sometimes things are buried deep in the menus.


  Thanks Bill. They sure are buried! I must learn not to ignore scroll
  bars! What will that 'forced confirmation' do? Will it confirm
  *every* message arriving at that folder?

  My initial question remains - can I 'force' a confirmation on any
  specific e in the whole account? Sometimes I might want to assure
  someone that the e has been read and will be answered later even
  though the message is from a new contact whose e filters to 'Inbox'.

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

MW>> Look under Filter Actions | Create Reading Confirmation (forced).

> Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation
> (forced)" or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same
> program as other people!

In TB's main window Cntl+Shft+S will bring up 'Sorting Office' for the
account you are in commonly known as 'Filter'. Account | Sorting/Office
Filters will do the same. Create a 'Read messages' filter with '.' as
the string and leave the 'Inbox' as 'Source' and 'Move' folders. On the
'Actions' tab select 'Create Reading Confirmation (forced)', and on the
'Options' tab select 'Execute action set of this rule by pressing the
Hot Key:' and hit the keys you want.

Or conversely just copy this filter and paste it into your office
filters under 'Read messages'.

--start->
BeginFilter
Name: Reading Confirm
Active: 1
Source: \\ML MyDomain\Inbox
Target: \\ML MyDomain\Inbox
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00.
Actions: faoMakeRCR,faoRegExp,faoHotKey
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 49223
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

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Re[4]: reading confirmation

[Bill Blinn-Technology Editor]

At 8:49 PM on 8/22/2003, Karen Kay typed ...

K> On Friday, August 22, 2003, John Bartlett wrote:
>> Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation (forced)"
>> or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same program as
>> other people!

K> Me, too.

Sometimes things are buried deep in the menus. Open Sorting Office,
choose the Actions tab, and scroll down. The options on the actions
tab are:

Mark as read
Flag ...
Set priority ...
Set colour ...
Park
Delete
Delete from server
Print (last one visible on my machine without scrolling)
Add addresses
Delete Addresses
Sent auto-reply
CREATE READING CONFIRMATION (FORCED)
Forward to
... and a whole bunch of actions that I didn't know were there.

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Can you Park a thread?

[Dennis W. Greer]

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Hello Bat List,

 Is it possible to park a collapsed thread. When I use ctrl-J or click
 the park button on the top message in a thread is parked.



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Re[3]: reading confirmation

[Karen Kay]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, John Bartlett wrote:
> Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation (forced)"
> or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same program as
> other people!

Me, too.

Karen




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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Mark,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 9:54 AM:

MW> Look under Filter Actions | Create Reading Confirmation (forced).

Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation (forced)"
or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same program as
other people!

I would like a hot key to initiate a confirmation to any message in
the account but am now wondering if this should be a request for a new
feature not some sort of macro using the existing program.

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iPac Sync

[Ricardo van Eck]

Hello all,

  I think I already know the answer but then again, it's free to
  ask...

  I just heard that everyone at our company is getting an Compaq iPaq
  1915. Main reason of course, so we all can sync our e-mail and
  agenda/appointments with our laptops and so on. But I'm one of few
  who's not using LookOut. Does anyone know if its possible to sync
  with The Bat!? Plugings, third party software, what ever... The
  iPaq runs Windows CE.

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Mod: (was: blah!)

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Hi Io219,

@22-Aug-2003, 18:30 -0500 (00:30 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> I think an anonymous coward like you...

I> ... f*** you too b***.


Such flagrant flouting of the list rules has only one response.

Bye-bye Mr io219 (whoever you may be).

However ... it must be said ...

Carsten - that *was* more than a tad personal, also against list
rules.


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Re: [real] Re: lost password

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:18:26 PM, you wrote:

QS>>>. . . he's discovered he's lost his password. He
QS>>>   has (I hope) the other numbers. What can he do?

>> Pay the $3.00 for the key regeneration service on the registration
>> page of the RITlabs web site. The key passwords are not stored
>> anywhere.

Wow, that's a pretty good idea, I might have to do that...

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Re: Downloading e-mail on to second computer

[Arjan de Groot]

In ,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I would like to install The Bat on to the laptop, download
>e-mail from the server, and, eventually, transfer all of the
>downloaded e-mail to the pc with The Bat, when I return. Is
>this possible?

Yes, it is.

>If so, how do I do this?

My preferred method is as follows:
In the laptop installed Bat!, create a new filter that catches
_all_ incoming mail. Move it to the top of the filter-list.
Under Tab "Actions" select "Export Message to file" and name
the directory\file where the messages are to be saved into.
Choose "Unix Mailbox file" as Export format. Choose "Append to
existing file".

This filter will create a copy of _all_ incoming mail into 1
standard unix mailbox formatted file.

>[] can I have the home pc refilter everything that is on the
>laptop into the "correct" folders.

This should be the easiest part. All mail received on your laptop
is in one file. You can now import this file into the Inbox of
the home pc (click on Inbox, choose: "Tools -> Import Messages ->
From UNIX-mailboxes" and select filename). Then choose "Folder ->
Re-filter" and all imported messages are now processed according
to your home pc filter settings!


Arjan

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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:36:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I>>> No, one is my ISP, comcast,

MDP>> Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a
MDP>> failed download session?

> Hahahahaha!  Excuse my laughing Marck, but Comcast, according to my US
> friends, probably can't even spell the word technical.  They are one
> of the, if not the worst, providers in the US.

If you need support, they are horrible, but horrible support is nearly
expected. One huge aspect of my business is excellent support, and part
of that excellent support is provided by The Bat! ;-)

Regardless, when I read that, I just sighed. I guess it's funny in a satanic
sorta way, but it gets old, especially when you experience the same from
most companies. RIT support is similarly horrid, except the people I was
talking to either cannot understand english very well or use that
possibility as a ploy to increase the users chance of giving up, much like
my younger sister doing the dishes in such a fucked up manner that my
parents were wary to ask her to do them again, she did it on purpose.

RIT support is similar to that of an open source project. I did not realize
that previously, so I was mailing them directly expecting quality e-mail
support, when I should have been asking the devout users on these lists.




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Re[2]: blah!

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

At 7:30 PM on 8/22/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed ...

>> I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not
>> try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming
>> please make sure that you filled in your real name into the
>> appropriate field of your mail program.

i> I don't like that, I prefer e-mail addresses and setup my client to show me
i> just e-mail addresses all the same. But since you're calling me names, fuck
i> you too bitch. No real conviction there, but I guess that's what you wanted.

My, my. Go wash your fingers, little fellow. Any while you're at it,
see if you can dislodge that boulder from your shoulder.

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Filtering problem

[Karen Kay]

It used to be that my filtering filtered mail into folders, and
anything not already filtered would go to the Inbox.

Now, for some reason, mail not affected by the filters (like this
mailing list e-mail) ends up in Trash!

I've removed all the filters and started over twice, with the same
result. What's up with this?

Karen




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Re: blah!

[Greg Strong]

Hello Carsten,

>> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has
>> happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many
>> times. Oddly, the support personnel I have always been in contact
>> with suck.

> I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not
> try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming
> please make sure that you filled in your real name into the
> appropriate field of your mail program.

Agreed!

-- 
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Greg Strong

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Re: blah!

[malexander]

Hello Marck,

Friday, August 22, 2003, 11:52:21 PM, you wrote:


I>> No, one is my ISP, comcast,

MDP> Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a
MDP> failed download session?

Hahahahaha!  Excuse my laughing Marck, but Comcast, according to my US
friends, probably can't even spell the word technical.  They are one
of the, if not the worst, providers in the US.

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 malexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:27:42 PM, you wrote:

> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in
>> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the
>> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck.

> I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not
> try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming
> please make sure that you filled in your real name into the
> appropriate field of your mail program.

I don't like that, I prefer e-mail addresses and setup my client to show me
just e-mail addresses all the same. But since you're calling me names, fuck
you too bitch. No real conviction there, but I guess that's what you wanted.

And, the support personnel did indeed suck. I have the transcripts if you
want to start an inquisition, they're quite hilarious.

*shrug*

> You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit
> had problems reproducing this bug.

You know of this problem? You were somehow involved in attempting to fix it?
Yes, bugs can sometimes be difficult to reproduce, especially when
networking is involved. I don't know how they fix it, I don't have the code.

I'm willing to work with them, as was attempted many times over the years.
There's always a limit.

>> These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told
>> simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced
>> them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told
>> vehemently that others have not experienced them.

> A lot of people experienced the »hanging« connection center,
> including me. And it is very annoying indeed. I am using v2 beta now
> and had no connection center trouble for quite some beta versions. I
> don't know what changed, if it's TB! or something else...

I've upgraded to 2.0 beta 3 as well and will certainly continue to report
this problem if it occurs in 2.0 beta 3. And if it does not, they've fixed
it quietly and I will not be terribly surprised, just bitter.

-Tomi



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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:52:21 PM, you wrote:

> Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a
> failed download session?

I don't even know if it is failing. The Bat! does, and others have
experience the same. What should I do which does not involve any of my ISP's
next time this occurs to possibly at least isolate the problem to a specific ISP.

ISP, Internet Service Provider. Under this term I include the internet
service which grants me general access to the internet via digital cable and
modem as well as the internet services provided to me by school and
corporate sources as necessary, as well as those internet services provided
to me by the provider of my own website hosting. Just to clarify.

> Are you using IMAP or POP3? Standard port settings? Any SSL or
> authentication involved? Any AV software or firewall software in use
> locally?

POP3, standard port, no SSL, no AV, no firewall. Problem has occurred for
quite some time in many versions of 1.x. Problem has occurred for other
users I never knew of until today. Problem has occurred across many
reformats and on multiple machines.



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Re: [real] Re: lost password

[Quin Selman]

Hello Marck,

Friday, August 22, 2003, 4:49:00 PM, you wrote:

QS>>. . . he's discovered he's lost his password. He
QS>>   has (I hope) the other numbers. What can he do?

> Pay the $3.00 for the key regeneration service on the registration
> page of the RITlabs web site. The key passwords are not stored
> anywhere.

Thanks, Marck, for the quick answer.
-- 
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 Quin



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Re[2]: Linebreaks on Yahoo

[Günter Minnerup]

On Saturday, August 23, 2003, 5:35:05 AM, Alexander wrote:

> 22-Aug-2003 16:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Confirmed!  b1 and b2 didn't do this, but b3 does.

It was on the Beta list that I read about it then.

> Now, the only problem that remains is that Günter is using 1.62r... ;-)

Exactly, that's the problem :-) Some kind of virus transmitted from
the Beta list?

Regards,
Günter

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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:21:19 PM, you wrote:

> On August 22, 5:12 pm you wrote:

>>>  No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a
>>>  folder by clicking on that link.
>>
>> Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely distracting.

> You shouldn't need 2.0 to get that feature... it's been in there for a
> while.  Just double click on the mid: link, and if it cannot find the email
> in the folder you're in, it'll prompt you for other folders you might want
> to search.

Well for some reason I didn't see it as a blue link. I got 2.0 and now I do.



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Re: Downloading e-mail on to second computer

[Allie Martin]

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Sacksa, [S] wrote:

S> Circumstances require me to be away from my primary pc for a number
S> of weeks. Mail is backing up on the server and will soon exceed the
S> 10 MB limit. My laptop, which I am currently using does not have The
S> Bat loaded on to it. I would like to install The Bat on to the
S> laptop, download e-mail from the server, and, eventually, transfer
S> all of the downloaded e-mail to the pc with The Bat, when I return.
S> Is this possible? If so, how do I do this?

Install TB! on the laptop. Create and configure the accounts. Download
the mail, then do a synchronization on just the folders with messages.

The synchronisation involves providing the laptop installation with a
current snapshot of your desktop system. The snapshot is created by
running step 1 of the synchronisation process on the desktop machine.
Copy the snapshot to disk and then using this, create the
synchronisation data file on the laptop. To do this run step 2 of the
synchronisation process on the laptop. It'll ask for the desktop
snapshot file when doing so. Finally, run step 3 on the desktop machine
using the synchronisation data file you created on the laptop.

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Re: blah!

[Carsten Thönges]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in
> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the
> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck.

I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not
try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming
please make sure that you filled in your real name into the
appropriate field of your mail program.

> 1) Mail stops being retrieved. In the old days before I bitched about this a
> ton, we didn't get the "Some Tasks are still Active, quit when they are
> done" message, we just didn't get anything and killed the process. They
> obviously know what the hell is going on because they added that dialog. My
> best guess, since they seem incapable of coming up with one, is that the
> retrieval thread is being `de-synched` when a server is slow, for whatever
> reason, perhaps it is slow enough that the timeout has elapsed AFTER a new
> retrieval is supposed to begin. IE, a timeout occurs 90 seconds after an
> attempt, but the retrievals are supposed to occur every 60 seconds.

You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit
had problems reproducing this bug.

> These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told
> simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced
> them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told
> vehemently that others have not experienced them.

A lot of people experienced the »hanging« connection center,
including me. And it is very annoying indeed. I am using v2 beta now
and had no connection center trouble for quite some beta versions. I
don't know what changed, if it's TB! or something else...
-- 
Carsten



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Re: blah!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Io219,

@22-Aug-2003, 17:12 -0500 (23:12 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a folder
>> by clicking on that link.

I> Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely
I> distracting.

Not really - It's been a TB feature since late in the 1.5x series.

>> Are these your own mail servers?

I> No, one is my ISP, comcast,

Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a
failed download session?

I> the other is with a respected webhost.

Are you using IMAP or POP3? Standard port settings? Any SSL or
authentication involved? Any AV software or firewall software in use
locally?

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Re: lost password

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Quin,

@22-Aug-2003, 15:52 -0600 (22:52 UK time) Quin Selman [QS] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

QS>   My neighbor, who uses TB! because I long ago recommended it to
QS>   him, had to format his hard drive recently. Now that he's
QS>   installed TB 1.62r, he's discovered he's lost his password. He
QS>   has (I hope) the other numbers. What can he do?

Pay the $3.00 for the key regeneration service on the registration
page of the RITlabs web site. The key passwords are not stored
anywhere.

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Re: blah!

[Jonathan Angliss]

On August 22, 5:12 pm you wrote:

>>  No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a
>>  folder by clicking on that link.
>
> Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely distracting.

You shouldn't need 2.0 to get that feature... it's been in there for a
while.  Just double click on the mid: link, and if it cannot find the email
in the folder you're in, it'll prompt you for other folders you might want
to search.

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 4:40:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a folder
> by clicking on that link.

Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely distracting.

> Are these your own mail servers? Do you have access to the logs on the
> servers? If so, it may be beneficial to expose a critical trace of the
> stuck transaction for the experts on the TBTECH mailing list to comment
> on.

No, one is my ISP, comcast, the other is with a respected webhost.



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Re: Downloading e-mail on to second computer

[Paul Cartwright]

scc> In order to install The Bat on to my laptop, do I need a second license?

if it is just for your use, I don't think so, I have a copy on my laptop
and my home PC, but I ( and wife) are the only ones that use either
copy.
scc> recreate from memory.   For the time that I am away, can I create a
scc> structure on the laptop, but when I load all of the laptop e-mail to the
scc> home pc, can I have the home pc refilter everything that is on the laptop
scc> into the "correct" folders.

tools-Synchronize

it makes both computers have the same messages.. I use it when I go out
of town..
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lost password

[Quin Selman]

Hello TBUDL,

  My neighbor, who uses TB! because I long ago recommended it to him,
  had to format his hard drive recently. Now that he's installed TB
  1.62r, he's discovered he's lost his password. He has (I hope) the
  other numbers. What can he do?

-- 
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 Quin  



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Re: Copying all filters from one account to another?

[Ricardo Marte]

Hi Jim:

JD> Myotis Mates,

JD>   Is there a faster/easier way to copy filters from one account in my
JD>   Bat to another other than copy/paste each individual filter at a
JD>   time?

Try Filter Commander.

http://tirna.narod.ru/soft/tbfc.htm

I  had some problems sending multiple filters from time to time but in
worked in general.

- Ricardo


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Re: blah!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Io219,

@22-Aug-2003, 15:55 -0500 (21:55 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
>> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I>   ^- bored?

No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a
folder by clicking on that link.

>> Do you use ZoneAlarm?

I> No. Straight to the mail servers.

ZoneAlarm is a client-side software firewall known to stall TB's
communications.

Are these your own mail servers? Do you have access to the logs on
the servers? If so, it may be beneficial to expose a critical trace
of the stuck transaction for the experts on the TBTECH mailing list
to comment on.

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Downloading e-mail on to second computer

[sacksa]

Circumstances require me to be away from my primary pc for a number of
weeks.  Mail is backing up on the server and will soon exceed the 10 MB
limit.  My laptop, which I am currently using  does not have The Bat loaded
on to it.I would like to install The Bat on to the laptop, download
e-mail from the server, and, eventually, transfer all of the downloaded
e-mail to the pc with The Bat, when I return.  Is this possible?   If so,
how do I do this?
In order to install The Bat on to my laptop, do I need a second license?
If so, how can I determine if I didn't purchase one at the time that I
originally purchased The Bat?  Unfortunately, I do not have access to my
purchase information.If it makes any difference, I also have a highly
complex directory structure on the home pc, that I could not possibly
recreate from memory.   For the time that I am away, can I create a
structure on the laptop, but when I load all of the laptop e-mail to the
home pc, can I have the home pc refilter everything that is on the laptop
into the "correct" folders.

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 3:43:38 PM, you wrote:

> @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  ^- bored?

>>> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has
>>> happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it
>>> many times...

> Do you use ZoneAlarm?

No. Straight to the mail servers.



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Re: blah!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Io219,

@22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has
>> happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it
>> many times...

Do you use ZoneAlarm?

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Re: Copying all filters from one account to another?

[Deborah W]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, 4:26:27 PM, Jim D wrote:

JD> Is there a faster/easier way to copy filters from one account in my
JD> Bat to another other than copy/paste each individual filter at a
JD> time?

Open the sorting office for the account which currently holds all the
filters. Copy each of them individually into a Notepad document or
similar. Now open the sorting office for the account where you want your
filters to be, highlight the entire document in Notepad & paste it into
the filters.

HTH
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Re: blah!

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Tomi,

Friday, August 22, 2003, 2:53:42 PM, you wrote:

icn> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in
icn> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the
icn> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck.

I used to have that problem occasionally.  It seemed to be a problem
with one particular email on the server.  I would note where the DL
stopped and then go out and delete the offending email and then things
would work fine.

Since I started using the beta version for 1.63 I have not had this
particular problem manifest and it has been quite some time now.  So
you might want to give this a try.

Can't address your shortcut issue, though.  Sorry.

-- 
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Copying all filters from one account to another?

[Jim D]

Myotis Mates,

  Is there a faster/easier way to copy filters from one account in my
  Bat to another other than copy/paste each individual filter at a
  time?

  Thanks for your help!

-- 
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Re: Version2 beta

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

@22-Aug-2003, 18:06 David Anderson [DA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jonathan:

DA> How does one go about getting on the beta list? I have heard
DA> nothing from RITLABS about any release since I bought the
DA> program a couple of years ago

You can subscribe to the discussion list here:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Beta versions are regularly announced there. Review the archive for
details (and download locations) of the current beta version on
http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com.

Sniff around on the Beta FTP site for the latest version here:
ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta

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Re: blah!

[io219]

--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 2:53:42 PM, you wrote:

> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in
> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the
> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck.

One more thing, killing the process makes my life even more hellish because
I lose folders quite often and have to use that magic lost folders repair
shortcut, I'm not even sure if it exists in the menus.

I wish I could just lop off parts of TB I don't use. They get in the way and
make me think they are the cause of some problems in other places.

-Tomi



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Re: Sobig.f filtering

[Leif Gregory]

Hello William,

Friday, August 22, 2003, 12:49:21 PM, you wrote:
WM> What's the bag limit?

Most people are comatose at four troutings from the sheer repugnancy
of smell. ;-)


-- 
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blah!

[io219]

I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in
most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the
support personnel I have always been in contact with suck.

They told me to turn off folder compression, so I did, and it had no effect,
but damn I considered it a strange reply.

Anyway, the problem is that mail stops being received. Hilariously, I see
this EXACT problem as the reason some people have expressed they did not
evaluate The Bat! for very long. Even more hilariously, they also mention
the other main problem I have, keyboard shortcuts not being saved.

Explaining to support that keyboard shortcut edits are not being saved
turned out to be beyond futile, presumably because of a language barrier.
You edit them, you click ok, you go back, they are not what you just changed
them to. I must have explained this in over a dozen ways.

So, my problems are

1) Mail stops being retrieved. In the old days before I bitched about this a
ton, we didn't get the "Some Tasks are still Active, quit when they are
done" message, we just didn't get anything and killed the process. They
obviously know what the hell is going on because they added that dialog. My
best guess, since they seem incapable of coming up with one, is that the
retrieval thread is being `de-synched` when a server is slow, for whatever
reason, perhaps it is slow enough that the timeout has elapsed AFTER a new
retrieval is supposed to begin. IE, a timeout occurs 90 seconds after an
attempt, but the retrievals are supposed to occur every 60 seconds.

2) keyboard shortcuts are not being saved, wah!

These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told
simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced
them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told
vehemently that others have not experienced them.

I am angry because I have spent... maybe 40-100 hours on all of these
problems and some related ones in my history with The Bat!, it reminds
me of a bad open source application in this regard. High TCO.

I am evaluating Becky, but it misses just BARELY in some esoteric, but very
important features I am afraid. Perhaps the plugin system can overcome that.

I also wonder how well designed the plugin system for TB is. After all,
you can damn near say every Windows application has a plugin system by way
of catching Win32 messages and the like. Winamp's plugin system is an
example of this farce, I wonder if Becky or The Bat's are.

-Tomi



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Re: Linebreaks on Yahoo

[Alexander]

22-Aug-2003 16:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Confirmed!  b1 and b2 didn't do this, but b3 does.

Now, the only problem that remains is that Günter is using 1.62r... ;-)

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Re: Linebreaks on Yahoo

[Steve & Mary King]

 Günter, Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:39:16 AM, you wrote:==

> I have a vague feeling this has been mentioned before but can't find
> the answer:

> My messages to a Yahoo list suddenly have doublespacing (extra blank
> lines) when read on the list digest. They look fine in The Bat.
> This started to happen after a reinstall and restore. Maybe there's a
> crucial setting that's changed, because I didn't have that problem
> before.


> Regards,
> Günter  

Confirmed!  b1 and b2 didn't do this, but b3 does.

Steve . . .



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Re: Sobig.f filtering

[William Moore]

Hello Leif

Thank you for your email dated Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:25:38 PM,
in which you wrote:

LG> Lot's of double trouting this week. :-(

What's the bag limit?

-- 

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William

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Re: Rogue emails on this TBUDL

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

> This was mentioned earlier. His mails carry the 'SOBIG' marker of
> "X-MailScanner: Found to be clean". If you are filtering on that,
> add a "Sender: Angliss ... No" filter.

Just because I'm nice, and don't want to kill anybody, nor get false
positives from silly admins... I've updated my server, it now reports
a different string when sending mail through my old work server. My
own mail server reports a completely different string anyway, so I've
not updated that one.

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Ensign Walnut approaches Dr. Crusher with caution

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Re: Version2 beta

[Mary Bull]

Hello David!

On Friday, August 22, 2003, 12:06 PM, you wrote:

D> How does one go about getting on the beta list? I have heard nothing
D> from RITLABS about any release since I bought the program a couple of
D> years ago

Go to http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scroll down to the very bottom of the page, where it says, "Other
Useful Links."
Click on: Subscribe to TBBETA.

I'm not subscribed myself, but found this the other day when looking
for something else. :)  It constructs a subscribe e-mail for you to
send.

-- 
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Mary

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Re: Re[2]: Version2 beta

[Dennis Hays]

Quoting David Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> How does one go about getting on the beta list? I have heard
> nothing
> from RITLABS about any release since I bought the program a couple
> of
> years ago

Other than employing a secret handshake or quiet prayers to the diety 
of choice, use the following address:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Dennis

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Re[2]: Version2 beta

[David Anderson]

Hello Jonathan,

How does one go about getting on the beta list? I have heard nothing
from RITLABS about any release since I bought the program a couple of
years ago

-- 
Regards,
 Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

Friday, August 22, 2003, 4:01:19 PM, you wrote:

JA> On Friday, August 22, 2003, David Anderson wrote...

>> I saw a reference to version 2 beta whilst trawling through the web.
>> Does such a thing exist?

JA> Yes it does... But you should be on the beta list to play with it, and
JA> you require a new registration key specially for version 2 if using v2
JA> b2 or higher.



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Re: reading confirmation

[Mark Wieder]

John-

Look under Filter Actions | Create Reading Confirmation (forced).

-- 
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Re: Sobig.f filtering

[Leif Gregory]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello tb,

Thursday, August 21, 2003, 11:36:10 PM, you wrote:
ttcu> Which the virus puts into every email it sends.
ttcu> Thanks
ttcu> Michael.

Lot's of double trouting this week. :-(



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and list footer remain in the quoted text.

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This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter
in your templates.

Thank you.






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Re: Version2 beta

[Peter Meyns]

Hi David,

on Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:29:12 +0100GMT (22.08.03, 16:29 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

DA> I saw a reference to version 2 beta whilst trawling through the web.
DA> Does such a thing exist?

Yes. It is currently being tested. Actual beta is no.3.

-- 
Cheers
Peter

Close your eyes and press ESCAPE three times.

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Re: Rogue emails on this TBUDL

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

> This was mentioned earlier. His mails carry the 'SOBIG' marker of
> "X-MailScanner: Found to be clean". If you are filtering on that,
> add a "Sender: Angliss ... No" filter.

It shouldn't be any more... I changed mail server and the new mail
scanner uses a different header. If it's still picking up that one,
then I've probably messed up a setting somewhere. However, if a filter
on "X-Mailscanner" can kill TB dead, might that be considered a big
bug?

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Re: Version2 beta

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, David Anderson wrote...

> I saw a reference to version 2 beta whilst trawling through the web.
> Does such a thing exist?

Yes it does... But you should be on the beta list to play with it, and
you require a new registration key specially for version 2 if using v2
b2 or higher.

-- 
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([EMAIL PROTECTED])

In Stereo where available. .elbaliava erehw oeretS nI

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Version2 beta

[David Anderson]

I saw a reference to version 2 beta whilst trawling through the web.
Does such a thing exist?

-- 
Regards,
 David  

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Re[2]: defragmenting messages.tbb

[Abe Zablocki]

Hello Peter,

Thursday, August 21, 2003, 3:53:40 PM, you wrote:

PM> Hi Abe,

PM> on Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:24:45 -0400GMT (21.08.03, 19:24 +0200GMT here),
PM> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

AZ>>   Windows  is  unable  to defragment the files messages.tbb (there are
AZ>>   two  with  this  name), both of which are quite large. Is there some
AZ>>   kind of maintenance I should/could be doing from within TheBat! that
AZ>>   would resolve this? Many thanks for any suggestions.

PM> Zes. Zou should use the Folder menu and select @Compress all folders@

PM> I apologiye for mz spelling, it|s the beta I use / it sometimes confuses
PM> mz kezboard lazout... noone knows whz, zet... }S}


Many thanks! This did the trick.

-- 
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 Abemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: TBMAPI.DLL

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, August 21, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote in
:

TF> Just a guess. It is called "TBMapi.dll" over here. Maybe it's
TF> case-sensitive.

Thomas,

Thanks. It's that way here, too, though. I don't know why I
capitalized it in my post.

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Linebreaks on Yahoo

[Günter Minnerup]

I have a vague feeling this has been mentioned before but can't find
the answer:

My messages to a Yahoo list suddenly have doublespacing (extra blank
lines) when read on the list digest. They look fine in The Bat.
This started to happen after a reinstall and restore. Maybe there's a
crucial setting that's changed, because I didn't have that problem
before.


Regards,
Günter  

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Re: Rogue emails on this TBUDL

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Mark,

@22-Aug-2003, 12:51 Mark [M] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

M> For rome reason email messages from Jonathan Angliss Kill the bat
M> stone cold on downloading (requiring a rest). Deleted from
M> server, and then the next from Jonathan does the same.

M> Any idea why?? - I can't get one of his emails to see if the
M> headers are strange or anything.

This was mentioned earlier. His mails carry the 'SOBIG' marker of
"X-MailScanner: Found to be clean". If you are filtering on that,
add a "Sender: Angliss ... No" filter.

If you have a "live" mail scanner, then you'd be better off using a
TB friendly AV program with a plug-in to let TB scan the mails
rather than have the IP data stream suddenly vanish mid-mail. The AV
you're using sounds like it could be a bit overzealous.

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Re[2]: note: Re(2); Scan on attachment name?

[daniel hahler]

on Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:37:03 -0500 Jonathan Angliss wrote:

>> How come your message didn't thread? I looked at the source and
>> couldn't find a References header. I know TB generates it. Been
>> playing?
JA> Notice there is a "Resent-From" header? It looks like he'd sent it,
JA> but for some reason it'd failed... he then resent it using the
JA> redirect option. Which unfortunately still strips the reference
JA> headers iirc.

Almost. I directly used the Redirect option, to be able to use my
note:-QT. Didn't know that it strips the reference headers.


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Re: Rogue emails on this TBUDL

[Stuart Hemming]

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M> Any idea why?? - I can't get one of his emails to see if the
M> headers are strange or anything.
All OK here. Here's the headers from one of his messages received
today...

,- [  ]
| Received: from ngfire.ngcomms.ecs.uk ([10.10.100.1]) by 
mercury.estatecomputers.co.uk with Microsoft
| SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
|  Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:31:36 +0100
| Received: from mail pickup service by ngfire.ngcomms.ecs.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
|  Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:31:47 +0100
| Received: from draenor.its-toasted.org ([127.0.0.1]) by ngfire.ngcomms.ecs.uk with 
Microsoft
| SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
|  Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:31:45 +0100
| Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=draenor.its-toasted.org)
| by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
| id 19q2f9-0005PX-00; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:32:31 +0200
| Received: from netdork.net ([66.137.233.211] helo=vampire.netdork.net)
| by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
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| for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:32:15 +0200
| Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
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| for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:32:12 -0500 (CDT)
| Received: from vampire.netdork.net ([127.0.0.1])
| by localhost (vampire.netdork.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
| with ESMTP id 08362-07 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
| Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:32:10 -0500 (CDT)
| Received: from valcor.corp.local (c-67-166-207-248.client.comcast.net
| [67.166.207.248])
| by vampire.netdork.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FE5A8169
| for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:32:10 -0500 (CDT)
| Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:34:32 -0500
| From: Jonathan Angliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.0 Beta/3)
| Organization: Netdork Inc
| X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
| Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: Nick OHare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at netdork.net
| Subject: Re: Sobig.f filtering
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| X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2003 03:31:45.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[E963E0B0:01C3685D]
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Rogue emails on this TBUDL

[Mark]

Dear Bats

For rome reason email messages from Jonathan Angliss Kill the bat
stone cold on downloading (requiring a rest). Deleted from
server, and then the next from Jonathan does the same.

Any idea why?? - I can't get one of his emails to see if the
headers are strange or anything.

Mark



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Re[5]: TB and Opera/Crazy Browser

[Vishal]

Hi John

Thursday, August 21, 2003, 11:09:12 PM, you wrote:


JB> I'm sure I would prefer Opera 7 if my touchpad would work with it.

Ah I see. definitely extenuating circumstances :)


Cheers,

-Vishal 



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Re[2]: Sobig.f filtering

[daniel hahler]

on Fri, 22 Aug 2003 05:47:02 -0400 Paul Cartwright wrote:

ttcu>> May be easier to scan for
ttcu>>  X-MailScanner: Found to be clean 
ttcu>> Which the virus puts into every email it sends.
PC> then you would also filter out every message from J. Angliss ;) his mail
PC> program adds that line, I already checked for that SUBJECT text in all
PC> my mails, and his emails had it in every email...

See  on this list. I used it
in the inbox, oversaw the Selective Downloads section.

I was wondering that I got no more Sobig mail and turned out the
"Delete on server" - but until now I haven't got a single one yet.
Probably GMX or some mail server administrator on my way has put a
good filter up. Cause there are also no more "mailbox full" or "you
have a virus" bounces..


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Re: Sobig.f filtering

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, 1:36 AM, you wrote:

ttcu> May be easier to scan for
ttcu>  X-MailScanner: Found to be clean 
 
ttcu> Which the virus puts into every email it sends.

then you would also filter out every message from J. Angliss ;) his mail
program adds that line, I already checked for that SUBJECT text in all
my mails, and his emails had it in every email...

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