Re: Folder moving

[Martin Webster]

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Hello o,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 6:30:32 AM, you wrote:

ovgd> A found a little problem:
ovgd> I have 7 POP Acounts and 1 IMAP (just created)
ovgd> I can move the POP accounts by pressing
ovgd> Shift+CTRL+Cursor, but I cann't move
ovgd> the IMAP account...
ovgd> If I select the account above the IMAP account and move it down, I can
ovgd> change the order without problem

ovgd> Using The Bat 2.0 with WinXP SP1

Confirmed here.

M
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Re: Folder moving

[o . voelker]

Hi!

> ovgd> A found a little problem:
> ovgd> I have 7 POP Acounts and 1 IMAP (just created)
> ovgd> I can move the POP accounts by pressing
> ovgd> Shift+CTRL+Cursor, but I cann't move
> ovgd> the IMAP account...

> Confirmed here.

Funny.. isn't it?

Bye,
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IMAP and GMX (Mailprovider)

[o . voelker]

Hi!

I did some test with IMAP and  GMX and discovered some problems:

1. I create a new folder in The Bat. It is shown correct within GMX, but I
have to restart The Bat to see the folder.
2. Existing folders using umlauts are shown very funny within the Bat (e.g.
Pers&APY-nlich instead of Persönlich)
3. I cann't create subfolders. Is that not supportet by GMX?


BTW... What is the correct setting to get all messages and than delete it it
at the server automatically?

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[MAU]

Hello Deborah,

> I was expecting the html editor to be useful, because I do
> occasionally want to send html mail, but tbh I'm disappointed with it.

Have you tried Foxmail (it's free) to compose/send your HTML e-mail?

> On the bright side, the installation, as you say, was a dream - fast &
> simple.

That's great news, because I install TB several times a day ;-)

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Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!

[Allister Jenks]

I thought for sure v2 would fix this problem.  Apparently not!

I add a sixth account to my group and it shows up just fine for a
while until, at some point, it disappears again!

MOST annoying.  Anybody succeeded in finding a workaround to this bug?

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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:10:51 -0500GMT (3-9-03, 5:10 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MH> For those interested, I have made some very minor changes to the
MH> glyphs.bmp file for TB!2.0

MH> I just added a little bit of colour,

Definitely an improvement.

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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Vishal]

Hi Michael

Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 11:10:51 PM, you wrote:


MH> Hi,

MH> For those interested, I have made some very minor changes to the
MH> glyphs.bmp file for TB!2.0

MH> I just added a little bit of colour, and made the Outbox folder red if
MH> it has anything in it (I often forget to send things).

I just downloaded version 2.0 and I'm glad to see an interface change over
1.62r. I definitely like it better so far, but more color is definitely nice :)
If there's any way you could mark specifically which icons you changed, it would
be great.

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Re: Spam blacklist

[Paco Capocasa]

Hey Marck,

on Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:44:40 +0100 you wrote:

> Create a special group in your address book (or a special address
> book) and put the list of email addresses in there. Now use the
> 'Advanced' filter option of "Sender must be in address book/group".

Thanks for your response. I made up a blacklist group and used
the advanced filter (neat in itself!), but when this (the
blacklist filter) is active it shuts down all my other spam
filters.  What am I missing?

Paco


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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[o . voelker]

Hi!

> For those interested, I have made some very minor changes to the
> glyphs.bmp file for TB!2.0

Great!
Thanks!

bye,
Oliver



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Re: Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Allister,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:33:38 +1200GMT (3-9-03, 9:33 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

AJ> I thought for sure v2 would fix this problem.  Apparently not!

AJ> I add a sixth account to my group and it shows up just fine for a
AJ> while until, at some point, it disappears again!

Accounts are stored in the registry. Do you run a tool take restores
your registry?

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Re: Spam blacklist

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Paco,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:58:05 +0200GMT (3-9-03, 9:58 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Create a special group in your address book (or a special address
>> book) and put the list of email addresses in there. Now use the
>> 'Advanced' filter option of "Sender must be in address book/group".

PC> Thanks for your response. I made up a blacklist group and used
PC> the advanced filter (neat in itself!), but when this (the
PC> blacklist filter) is active it shuts down all my other spam
PC> filters.

Did you add this AB filter to your previous filter as an additional
condition set? That's the only reason I can imagine that it interferes
with your old filter.
Create a new filter, use as condition a dot in the kludges (triggers
always) and set the address book condition on the 'Advanced' tab.

If this isn't the case, then you'd better post your filter, so we can
have a look at it. In order to post a filter, select it in the sorting
office, press Ctrl-C (don't use the copy-button, that's something
entirely different) and paste it into your message.

PC> What am I missing?

A correct signature delimiter: dash, dash, space, enter at a new line.
That enables your correspondents with adult mail clients to
automatically strip your signature (and the list's) in a reply.

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Macro / Template annoyances

[Pixie]

Hi,
Apparently macro placement has become more critical in v2.00 - I was
able to use %ACCOUNT anywhere in the (AB) template with 1.62r where
now it will break (if placed below) %fromname.

Why would I do that?  Because of the annoying blank lines that are
added to a message when templates use certain macros.

Is there a way that despite the apparent new placement requirements
that I can keep macros such as %ACCOUNT, %QUOTES, etc from adding
their own new lines?

The only resolution which seems to be is to put all the macros on one
line, which is rather nasty looking in the template editor.

EG:

%ACCOUNT="PICTURES"%
TO=""%TO="""%OFromName"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
On%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%-
%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS" GMT, %OFROMNAME wrote:

..will add new lines at the top of the message.

Similarly, I wound up using %QUOTES%CURSOR since %QUOTES adds a blank
line. There is generally enough cleanup to do when replying for me to
enjoy cleaning up what the template produces also.

With 1.62r the macros that generate these new lines seemed quite
comfortable being below the tear-line thus provided a decent
workaround.

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Re: Macro / Template annoyances

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P> Is there a way that despite the apparent new placement requirements
P> that I can keep macros such as %ACCOUNT, %QUOTES, etc from adding
P> their own new lines?
Try
%ACCOUNT%-, %QUOTES%-, etc

The %- suppresses the newline.

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Re: Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!

[Allister Jenks]

On Wednesday, 3 September 2003, at 8:07:36 p.m., Roelof Otten wrote:

AJ>> I thought for sure v2 would fix this problem.  Apparently not!

AJ>> I add a sixth account to my group and it shows up just fine for a
AJ>> while until, at some point, it disappears again!

> Accounts are stored in the registry. Do you run a tool take restores
> your registry?

Not that I am aware of?  I've played around with group consists a lot
in the past and it only seems to be now with my sixth account that I
am having problems.  I've just tried a new approach - I added *two*
more accounts to my group, in the hopes that the one I want will stay!

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Re: Macro / Template annoyances

[Pixie]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:45:01 +0100 GMT, Stuart Hemming wrote:

SH> Try
SH> %ACCOUNT%-, %QUOTES%-, etc

SH> The %- suppresses the newline.

GREAT! Thank you! Will try it right now!

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The Bat! Spam page

[Terry]

Hi all,

The Bat spam page is missing from the new site.  Does anyone know of
an alternate site to get the page from or who I should contact about
getting the page back up?  I've just run into another situation where
someone is using content filtering and rejecting on the X-Mailer
header and I'd like to refer them to that page.  Thanks in advance.

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Moving to next unread message

[William Sigmund]

Hi,

Sometimes I can move to the next unread message in an account by using
Ctrl+RightArrow. Other times that will not work and I have to use
Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow. Can anyone explain why this is?

I also echo the call elsewhere for a key to move to the next unread
across all accounts.

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The Bat 2: a first glance ... and ... a disapointment

[Clemens Schwaighofer]

Hi,

well because I use TheBat since a very long time I really looked forward to 
the Version 2. why? full IMAP support, well it has and it looks good, full 
Multi Language Support, means Japanese (ISO-2022-JP, Chinese, Korean, etc) 
... but no, same bad thing like before. why? Why is there no better support 
for this, why is there no sepperate setting for each language and their 
fonts. A very bad thing IMO. Or perhaps I missed it?
Next thing is the PGP implementation. with the built in there is still no 
possibility to easily add a public key or check a key online, nor to export 
your generated key to a key server. So, on the first glance there is nothing 
new. I should pay something for this? why?
I'd rather switch to Mozilla, I might have a downpoint with notification of 
new mail there but I have perferect multi language support, perfect 
Open/GNUpg implementation (through enigmail, I'd suggest to the TheBat 
developers to take a look at it, to see HOW a cryption plugin shall work), 
etc.

well I just hope the version 2 might fixes the points in future, but I doubt. 
at the moment I will stick with 1.6x. works okay for me. ...

:(
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Re[2]: Fastmail, IMAP and The Bat! 2.0

[Jeffrey A. Shumway]

Hello Keith,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 12:37:04 AM, you wrote:

KR> This showed INBOX with a + sign next to it.
KR> Clicking the + sign brings up the default Drafts / Sent items / Trash
KR> _under_ the Inbox folder. Silly of me, but I missed that + sign 

Thanks. I did the same thing initially. I now have that part done, but
I cannot get The Bat! to use the IMAP based Sent Items and Trash
folders.

Jeff

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Re: Spam blacklist

[Paco Capocasa]

 Hey Roelof,


on Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:19:15 +0200 you wrote:

> Did you add this AB filter to your previous filter as an additional
> condition set?

Yes, that's what I did.  I have created a new filter for the AB and
it works now.  Thanks for your help.

PC>> What am I missing?

> A correct signature delimiter: dash, dash, space, enter at a new line.
> That enables your correspondents with adult mail clients to
> automatically strip your signature (and the list's) in a reply.

I'm a little vague as to where this delimiter should go.  Is it
it in the right spot?

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Re: Moving to next unread message

[MAU]

Hello William,

> Sometimes I can move to the next unread message in an account by using
> Ctrl+RightArrow. Other times that will not work and I have to use
> Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow. Can anyone explain why this is?

It depends on focus being on Message List pane or Preview pane, but I
don't know why.

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Re: Wishlist item for scrutiny

[Pixie]

Message list scroll down automatically to show thread expansion for
the thread which is selected and expanded.

With view all messages my default I constantly find the need to expand
threads, then scroll, wash rinse repeat..

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Re:Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[znark]

G'day Michael,
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, at 22:10:51 [GMT -0500] (13:10 here) you wrote:

MH> Hi,

MH> For those interested, I have made some very minor changes to the
MH> glyphs.bmp file for TB!2.0

That looks *much* better thank you!
<...snip..>

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Re: The Bat 2 PGP: some problems with PGPsdkNL.dll

[Allie Martin]

Alexander A. Gomanyuk, [AAG] wrote:

AAG> I'v got while choosing PGP version message (look
AAG> http://www.dlv.rt.ru/splinty/TB2_PGP.JPG)
AAG> and that's all.

AAG> Would U advice, how i can correct that problem ?

I've seen this message on many occasions as well and have reported it.
I've been seeing it every time I open the 'Choose OpenPGP version'
selection dialog. However, since I first saw it some time ago, I've been
using the PGP integrated support with PGP 8 without any problems. All
operations working just fine. The same when I switch to GnuPG.

AAG> Moreover Encrypt when Completed doesn't work inspite of presence
AAG> public Key of recipients.

Have you confirmed that the recipient really hasn't received an
encrypted message.

If TB! can tell which key to use based on the name and e-mail address in
the headers, it will encrypt on sending without any sort of prompt.

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Re: The Bat! Spam page

[Allen]

Terry,
T> Hi all,

T> The Bat spam page is missing from the new site.  Does anyone know of
T> an alternate site to get the page from or who I should contact about
T> getting the page back up?  I've just run into another situation where
T> someone is using content filtering and rejecting on the X-Mailer
T> header and I'd like to refer them to that page.  Thanks in advance.

They  have completely redesigned TB's main page -- among other things,
the  design  includes  multiple  languages so the directory navigating
scheme is a bit different.  Check it out at http://www.ritlabs.com.
You can find The_Bat!'s page right here, now:
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/

Be well,
Allen

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Re[2]: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

It seems that MAU said ...

M> Have you tried Foxmail (it's free) to compose/send your HTML e-mail?

Uh-oh. I have the occasional need to send HTML-coded mail, so I did a
search for "Foxmail". Found it on C|Net, along with some reviews like
this:

"This program will steal your passwords and people will be able to see
all your personal information. I contacted the government to
investigate this company I would stay clear of this by all means."

and this

"BEWARE!!! Secretly sends your password to malicious hackers!" This
program is not what it seems. My technical software analysis team has
debugged the program and found it to be full of holes and security
breaches. It doesn't just install spyware on your system. It also
sends your password to most likely malicious hackers. Then a few
months when you least suspect, your email account is taken over and
un-usable. This program also appears to send your email to multiple
advertising companies, hence making you put up with more and more ads
in your inbox each day. There have been a number of programs that are
silimar to this one, it's only a matter of time before they can be
stopped!"

There were a few positive responses, but many were negative and warned
of security problems. Enough to scare me away!

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Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?

[Allie Martin]

Vishal, [V] wrote:

V> So could you suggest someone who has? It would be a big help.

I've had problems. When I did, the problems weren't restricted to just
TB!, though they initially started with TB! after having no problems for
some time before. My problems progressed to complete blocks of my
internet connection with difficulties connecting to my ISP. A reboot
would fix the problems.

As Roelof pointed out in one of his messages, it would appear that
things can go awry with ZA during long periods of machine uptime. As
soon as I discovered the problem I switched to using one of the many
capable alternatives out there. ZA is a good blocker, but there are
alternatives that will do just as well.

V> In your mind, yes. In my mind and that of most others who use it not
V> in conjunction with TB, ZA is excellent. One app does not a
V> reputation destroy.

It's problems aren't only confined to TB! use. But then, problems vary
in severity if and when they exist at all. All in all, this makes its
reliability questionable. Of course, nothing beats ones own personal
experience. If it's working for you then use it.

V> I've paid for the Pro version. I like the interface and trust its
V> protection. I'm not sure if Kerio offers all the features ZA Pro
V> does.

You should take a look. As the man who popularized ZA says, Tiny
Personal Firewall, now known as Kerio, is 'terrific' and it would have
been his personal choice if at the time it has multiprocessor support.
:) I've personally used it and found it to be a step up from ZA in
configurability and tunability. Most of all, it *never* did any
unexpected blocking and worked and worked, no matter the machine's
uptime.

V> I've thought about it. But ZA works for the most part, and if there's
V> a way to get it working properly with TB I'd rather do that. TB isn't
V> as indispensable to me. Maybe version 2.0 will change that :)

There are no clients that I know of that will do the things TB! can on a
specific basis or on the basis as TB! as an overall package. TB! is not
replaceable for me at least. There are many capable firewall's out
there. If one isn't working for me, I can easily find one that does.
There's Kerio, Sygate, Outpost, 8 Signs, BlackICE (my current choice),
among other.

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Re: Spam blacklist

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Paco,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:21:36 +0200GMT (3-9-03, 12:21 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

PC> I'm a little vague as to where this delimiter should go.  Is it
PC> it in the right spot?

Yep.

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Re[2]: The Bat! Spam page

[Allen]

Allen,

A> Terry,
T>> Hi all,

T>> The Bat spam page is missing from the new site.  Does anyone know of
T>> an alternate site to get the page from or who I should contact about
T>> getting the page back up?  I've just run into another situation where
T>> someone is using content filtering and rejecting on the X-Mailer
T>> header and I'd like to refer them to that page.  Thanks in advance.

A> They  have completely redesigned TB's main page -- among other things,
A> the  design  includes  multiple  languages so the directory navigating
A> scheme is a bit different.  Check it out at http://www.ritlabs.com.
A> You can find The_Bat!'s page right here, now:
A> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/

Sorry,  meant  to  point  you to the sitemap, but upon further perusal
it's not listed there either . . . so, I'm useless here.


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Re: IMAP and GMX (Mailprovider)

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Oliver wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> I did some test with IMAP and  GMX and discovered some problems:

> 1. I create a new folder in The Bat. It is shown correct within GMX, but I
> have to restart The Bat to see the folder.

Have you tried the IMAP folder management dialog, it should find the new
folder.

> 2. Existing folders using umlauts are shown very funny within the Bat
> (e.g. Pers&APY-nlich instead of Persönlich)

This has already been reported, it is a known issue and it will
hopefully be addressed.

> 3. I cann't create subfolders. Is that not supportet by GMX?

Yes, as far as I know, GMX currently does not support folder nesting.

> BTW... What is the correct setting to get all messages and than delete
> it it at the server automatically?

I can't help you with that. What you want is like emulating POP3 but via
IMAP with multiple folders. Perhaps somebody else can help.

Regards,

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Re: The Bat 2: a first glance ... and ... a disapointment

[Allie Martin]

Clemens Schwaighofer, [CS] wrote:

CS> well because I use TheBat since a very long time I really looked
CS> forward to the Version 2. why? full IMAP support, well it has and it
CS> looks good, full Multi Language Support, means Japanese
CS> (ISO-2022-JP, Chinese, Korean, etc) ... but no, same bad thing like
CS> before. why? Why is there no better support for this, why is there
CS> no sepperate setting for each language and their fonts. A very bad
CS> thing IMO. Or perhaps I missed it?

You haven't missed anything. Apparently this is planned for future
releases in the near future.

CS> Next thing is the PGP implementation. with the built in there is
CS> still no possibility to easily add a public key

Are you speaking of the PGP integrated support for v5,6,7,8 or are you
referring to the internal PGP version?

The inbuilt integration for PGP v5,6,7,8 works pretty much like how the
previous plugins worked when doing these sort of key management
manoeuvres.

How is it that you wish to add a public key?

Usually, if the PGPKey is in the message text, then doing a verify, or
using the 'import PGP certificate' command from the Tools/Message
Security' options will initiate the importation process.

If you attempt to verify a signature and you don't have the key on your
keyring, PGP's autokey finder will start provided you configured PGP to
do so.

If you're using the internal PGP which is v2.6, then I'd not advise this
since you're stuck with using only RSA keys.

CS> or check a key online, nor to export your generated key to a key
CS> server. So, on the first glance there is nothing new.

There's a lot that's new. You just have no interest in using them. No
problem there really. Everyone works differently.

CS> I should pay something for this?

No one is saying you should. :) Upgrade only if it's worth your while.

CS> I'd rather switch to Mozilla, I might have a downpoint with
CS> notification of new mail there but I have perferect multi language
CS> support, perfect Open/GNUpg implementation (through enigmail, I'd
CS> suggest to the TheBat developers to take a look at it, to see HOW a
CS> cryption plugin shall work), etc.

TB!'s plugin for the later versions of PGP work just fine and with its
macro support will do things other plugins will not.

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Re: The Bat 2 PGP: some problems with PGPsdkNL.dll

[Alexander A. Gomanyuk]

03.09.2003, U wrote:
> Alexander A. Gomanyuk, [AAG] wrote:

AAG>> Moreover Encrypt when Completed doesn't work inspite of presence
AAG>> public Key of recipients.

> Have you confirmed that the recipient really hasn't received an
> encrypted message.

> If TB! can tell which key to use based on the name and e-mail address in
> the headers, it will encrypt on sending without any sort of prompt.

That keys DOES exists, and moreover it's old keys, not just created.
But when i check Encrypt when Completed and try to send message
NOTHING happen ! Message's window remain unchanged...



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Spam plugin download location ?

[thebat]

Hi everyone,

I'm just wondering where I could find a spam plugin for my newly upgraded
TheBat 2.0.
Can anyone tell me?

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Re[3]: The Bat! Spam page

[La Poste]

Hello Allen,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 1:47:48 PM, you wrote:


A> Sorry,  meant  to  point  you to the sitemap, but upon further perusal
A> it's not listed there either . . . so, I'm useless here.

I found that google still had it in memory. The link is:

http://www.google.fr/search?q=cache:TThpN1rr1AAJ:www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html+the+bat!+ritlabs+spam+tool&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

Hope it will work for you.
Otherwise, try searching "The Bat! and The Spammer" under google, and
look at cached page.


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Re: IMAP and GMX (Mailprovider)

[o . voelker]

Hi!

> > 1. I create a new folder in The Bat. It is shown correct within GMX, but
> > I have to restart The Bat to see the folder.
> Have you tried the IMAP folder management dialog, it should find the new
> folder.

Hmmm... I created the folder with the folder management :)

> > 2. Existing folders using umlauts are shown very funny within the Bat
> > (e.g. Pers&APY-nlich instead of Persönlich)
> This has already been reported, it is a known issue and it will
> hopefully be addressed.

Ok...

> > 3. I cann't create subfolders. Is that not supportet by GMX?
> Yes, as far as I know, GMX currently does not support folder nesting.

Bad :(
Without subfolders it will be a little bit confusing...
 
> > BTW... What is the correct setting to get all messages and than delete
> > it it at the server automatically?
> I can't help you with that. What you want is like emulating POP3 but via
> IMAP with multiple folders. Perhaps somebody else can help.

I don't have a flatrate, so I often get all messages and answer some time
later
And IMAP is the only way to filter mails at the server.. (and read them
within a mail client ;)  )
And I can store them at the harddisk There is a little bit more space
than at the server *g*


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Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Michael Harlos]

Hi Vishal,

> If there's any way you could mark specifically which icons you
> changed, it would be great.

I can list them...

If the gylphs file is considered a grid, with numbers along the
horizontal and letters along the vertical:

A1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
B
C
D
.
.

I changed A1, A2, A3, F3, F5, F10, F11, F12

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No-show messages

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

Is anyone else seeing this surprising feature in v.2?

I have about half a dozen accounts that TB checks. Messages are sorted
into about 100 folders. All of that works properly, except that for
ONE account, the list of accounts doesn't change to indicate new mail
is present.

This happens on both the home and office machines.

It's a different account in each case, but both of the accounts are
about 3/4ths of the way down the list. The account in question never
lights up until I select the inbox.

Most of the accounts have a specific sound attached, so I know where
to look even if the account doesn't light up. IOW, it's not a killer,
just a minor annoyance. It would be easy enough to move the account up
or down to see if it's somehow a positional thing -- or even to delete
the account and recreate it.


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Re: Folder moving

[Prezes]

Hello o,
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 7:30:32 AM, you wrote:

ovgd> Hi!

ovgd> A found a little problem:
ovgd> I have 7 POP Acounts and 1 IMAP (just created)
ovgd> I can move the POP accounts by pressing Shift+CTRL+Cursor, but I cann't move
ovgd> the IMAP account...
ovgd> If I select the account above the IMAP account and move it down, I can
ovgd> change the order without problem

This bug is already reported to BT and wait to be fixed in future.

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Is this possible with v2.0's templates?

[Krister Ekstrom]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Bat! people,
With the current almost script like macros of TB!, would it be
possible to somehow extract the fingerprint from a pgp key in a
message to later be able to send it to the person with the key in
order to confirm that the finger print is the same?

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Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP)

iD8DBQE/VeV2ODlJeoMTOQsRAkZmAKCmNv0lvoqzlzYkGhGMhm24uDsNSwCcDtFW
zcLKssuSbGfF3m+1yQLnPBw=
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Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Michael Harlos]

Hi Richard,

> Oops, meant message list. sorry.

Sure. I put that up as:

http://harlos.net/glyphs_YellowMessageListIcons.bmp

Of course, the name has to be changed to glyphs.bmp, and the usual
warning about being sure to rename old files rather than overwrite them
with these ones applies:-)

Using the grid analogy in a previous message in this thread, the icons
changed in this one in addition to the first changes that I made are
G1 and G13

For those wanting to try changing the glyphs, it was straightforward
to bring it in to Paint Shop Pro (I'm sure any graphics editor would
do), and try different looks.

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 3:29:48 AM, MAU wrote:

>> I was expecting the html editor to be useful, because I do
>> occasionally want to send html mail, but tbh I'm disappointed with
>> it.

M> Have you tried Foxmail (it's free) to compose/send your HTML e-mail?

Yes, that's what I've been using. It's slow (or at least, it's slow when
you're used to TB) but it does a good job on html mail. I was hoping
that with TB v2 I could dump Foxmail, but that's certainly not the case
yet.

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 7:27:47 AM, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote:

BBTE> "This program will steal your passwords and people will be able to
BBTE> see all your personal information. I contacted the government to
BBTE> investigate this company I would stay clear of this by all means."

Hm...what government? It's a Chinese company iirc...I don't think
the Chinese gov't is terribly concerned about personal privacy ;-)

BBTE> and this

BBTE> "BEWARE!!! Secretly sends your password to malicious hackers!"
BBTE> This program is not what it seems. My technical software analysis
BBTE> team has debugged the program and found it to be full of holes and
BBTE> security breaches. It doesn't just install spyware on your system.
BBTE> It also sends your password to most likely malicious hackers. Then
BBTE> a few months when you least suspect, your email account is taken
BBTE> over and un-usable. This program also appears to send your email
BBTE> to multiple advertising companies, hence making you put up with
BBTE> more and more ads in your inbox each day. There have been a number
BBTE> of programs that are silimar to this one, it's only a matter of
BBTE> time before they can be stopped!"

Interesting. I've been using Foxmail for a couple of years now. I've not
had any problems with security, nobody has hacked my account, none of my
email accounts has been taken over, & I only get spam on the accounts
that already got spam before I used Foxmail, & I don't get any more spam
on those accounts than I already did.

BBTE> There were a few positive responses, but many were negative and
BBTE> warned of security problems. Enough to scare me away!

H...I just had a look at the negative reviews. There were several
which said the same thing, word-for-word, but used different names,
which makes me think someone's got an axe to grind . Then there's the
person who says it wouldn't work with Tiny Firewall (it does for me) so
he/she had to disable the firewall to send/receive mail (bit of a silly
thing to do really...). Then there's the one that says you can't see
received html...yes, you can, you just click the html symbol at the top
right of the preview pane. Or the one who says he prefers Incredimail.
Or the one who complains that when he clicks on an email address on a
webpage, it starts Foxmail when he wants to use something else...

My personal favourite, though, is the one which says: "Plain fact is
there is nothing to equal OE. If only my OE would work"

ROFL!

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Re[2]: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

It seems that Deborah W said ...

D> On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 7:27:47 AM, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote:

BBTE>> "This program will steal your passwords and people will be able to
BBTE>> see all your personal information. I contacted the government to
BBTE>> investigate this company I would stay clear of this by all means."

Just to clear things up, I did not write that. I quoted comments from
C|Net. I have no opinion one way or the other on the application.


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Re: Spam plugin download location ?

[Prezes]

Hello thebat,
Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:12:12 PM, you wrote:

tdc> Hi everyone,

tdc> I'm just wondering where I could find a spam plugin for my newly upgraded
tdc> TheBat 2.0.
tdc> Can anyone tell me?

Here is TBP Antispam plugin BayesIt 0.4c

http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04c.zip (112kb)

+ new holder for attached images (seems to be better for very fresh spam
consists primarily from one image).

+ holder for time delivering (spam letters usually take more time to be
delivered, so it is also can be the rule)

* some minor bugs in holding of attachments fixed

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Re: No-show messages

[Pixie]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:55:23 -0400 GMT, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote:

BBTE> about 3/4ths of the way down the list. The account in question never
BBTE> lights up until I select the inbox.

I have had this happen on one of my 8 POP accounts. As for positioning
it's the second down on my list FWIW.. I think it was one of the first
couple I created, and know it was not the last.

Didn't realize there was new mail in the inbox until I opened the tree
and selected the inbox.

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Re: Folder moving

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Martin Webster wrote...

ovgd>> but I cann't move the IMAP account...

> Confirmed here.

This was a bug mentioned in the early v2 betas, but clearly didn't get
fixed :/

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[MAU]

Hello Bill,

> Uh-oh. I have the occasional need to send HTML-coded mail, so I did a
> search for "Foxmail". Found it on C|Net, along with some reviews like
> this:


If Foxmail sold for US$ 100 reviews would say it was too expensive for
what it does. As it is FREE...  you know what I mean :)

> There were a few positive responses, but many were negative and warned
> of security problems. Enough to scare me away!

I assume you don't use any Microsoft products then, right? ;-)

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[MAU]

Hello Deborah,

> Yes, that's what I've been using.

I always thought you were smart :-)

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Re: 2.0: slower - and other issues

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Stan,

Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 9:14:21 PM, you wrote:
SR> Has V2 replaced the cockamamie free caret text editor with a
SR> competent auto-wrapping text editor? That would be worth upgrading
SR> for.


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Stan.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message
and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we
actually request that you not do so on this list because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top
of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which
you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then
below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more
than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and
follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you
may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this.
However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer
and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that
will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll
likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is
comfortable for them to read and understand.

Thank you.




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Re[3]: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Allen]

Bill,
BBTE> It seems that MAU said ...

M>> Have you tried Foxmail (it's free) to compose/send your HTML e-mail?

BBTE> Uh-oh. I have the occasional need to send HTML-coded mail, so I did a
BBTE> search for "Foxmail". Found it on C|Net, along with some reviews like
BBTE> this:

BBTE> "This program will steal your passwords and people will be able to see
BBTE> all your personal information. I contacted the government to
BBTE> investigate this company I would stay clear of this by all means."
BBTE> [snip]

Hmn . . . mywebattack's users seem to have a different opinion.
http://www.webattack.com/get/foxmail.shtml

I'm  not  a  big  fan of C|Net, these days, though . . . so I'm always
looking for a second opinion . . .

I can't speak from personal experience, regarding foxmail.  Not recent
experience,  anyway,  I haven't touched it since . . . 98 or 99 or so.
And I don't remember having it installed for more than a day.

Be well,
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Re[2]: Spam plugin download location ?

[thebat]

Thanks a lot, I'll try this asap :)


tdc>> I'm just wondering where I could find a spam plugin for my newly upgraded
tdc>> TheBat 2.0.
tdc>> Can anyone tell me?
> Here is TBP Antispam plugin BayesIt 0.4c
> http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04c.zip (112kb)





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TB 2.0: Attachments Pane Popup Keyboard Shortcuts Gone

[Avenarius]

Greetings to Bat-fellows,

as the Subject says, in Version 2.0 you can no longer modify/assign
keyboard shortcuts to actions such as Open/Save Attachment(s) etc. The
correspondent section in the keyboard shortcuts editor has
disappeared.

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Re[4]: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Bill Blinn Technology Editor]

It seems that Allen said ...

A> Hmn . . . mywebattack's users seem to have a different opinion.
A> http://www.webattack.com/get/foxmail.shtml

A> I'm  not  a  big  fan of C|Net, these days, though . . . so I'm always
A> looking for a second opinion . . .

Second opinions are often helpful. I'll download it and take a look.

The problem with C|Net, I suppose, is that opinions by techno-turnips
tend to be given the same weight as those from people who actually
know what they're talking about.

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 9:45:05 AM, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote:

BBTE> Just to clear things up, I did not write that. I quoted comments
BBTE> from C|Net. I have no opinion one way or the other on the
BBTE> application.

Oh, I know you were quoting the cnet comments...I just found some of
them very amusing (still lol over the "plain fact is there is nothing to
equal OE" one - no, I suppose not, if your aim is get viruses )

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Re: Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?

[DG Raftery Sr.]

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Wednesday, September 03, 2003
11:47:38 AM (GMT -05:00)
RE: "Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?"

Greetings Alexander,

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 1:08:35 AM, you wrote:

Alexander> Hello, Batmans.

Alexander> Please forgive me for my stupidity, but would U explain subject ?

We are currently discussing Bruce Wayne and his sidekick. "To the
Batmobile Robin!".

This is a discussion group on The_Bat! e-mail client
http:///www.ritlabs.com

Anyway ...

Sorry moderators. I hate those that subscribe to lists yet have not a
clue about the contents.

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Sophos Antivirus

[Mark Adams]

Can any point me in the direction of the BAV file for Sophos
Antivirus and V2.

I searched the archives of the Beta list and found
ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/SophosNT.BAV
but that refuses an anonymous connection.

Thanks

Mark


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Re: Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 18:06:20, DG Raftery Sr. wrote:

> Sorry moderators. I hate those that subscribe to lists yet have not a
> clue about the contents.

I think he meant the subject of his post - "Tha Bat 2: Spam filter where is it ?"

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Re: The Name!

[Anne]

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 5:53:49 AM, Thomas wrote:

TF> Ritlabs used to have the motto "communication with the unseen" on
TF> their website, and bats use sonar rather than eyesight to navigate.
TF> When communicating by email- you don't see who you are communicating
TF> with.


This motto still shows up alongside The Bat! in the CTRL+ALT+DEL menu
on the odd occasion when I launch TB! and because of low system
resources TB! fails to load.

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Re: TB 2.0: Attachments Pane Popup Keyboard Shortcuts Gone

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avenarius,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:00:37 +0200 GMT (03/09/2003, 22:00 +0700 GMT),
Avenarius wrote:

> as the Subject says, in Version 2.0 you can no longer modify/assign
> keyboard shortcuts to actions such as Open/Save Attachment(s) etc. The
> correspondent section in the keyboard shortcuts editor has
> disappeared.

It's still here, under View (for some reason) / Edit shortcuts.

-- 

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in."

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote...

> [..] techno-turnips [..]

hahaha... I love that term. Very nice ;)

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Re: TB 2.0: Attachments Pane Popup Keyboard Shortcuts Gone

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Thomas Fernandez,
wrote on Wednesday, 3rd September 2003 at 23:39:57 (GMT +0700),
which was 18:39 in Bratislava --

>> as the Subject says, in Version 2.0 you can no longer modify/assign
>> keyboard shortcuts to actions such as Open/Save Attachment(s) etc. The
>> correspondent section in the keyboard shortcuts editor has
>> disappeared.

> It's still here, under View (for some reason) / Edit shortcuts.

I don't mean the keyboard shortcuts editor itself, but a section in it
that used to be called, in 1.6x, something like "Attachments Pane
PopUp", and there you could modify shortcuts for actions such as "Open
This Attachment", "Save All Attachments" etc.

This is what my keyboard shortcuts editor looks like in Version 2.0's
main window:
http://avenarius.sk/misc/keyboard_shortcuts.gif
If you can help me where, in this editor, to find the option, for
example, to switch the shortcuts for "Open" and "Save" attachments
(I'd like to have ENTER and CTRL+ENTER the other way round for the two
actions -- it was possible to switch them in 1.6x), I'd be grateful.

And you're right, the location of that editor under "View" menu is
illogical. It should perhaps be located in the recently introduced
centralized "Preferences" dialog, even though The Bat! is devious in
that the same keyboard shortcut performs a different action depending
on where you currently are (writing a message, reading a message,
performing a search, or simply in the main window).

That is another *wonderful* aspect of TB. Still, all of these
variables could be brought together in the centralized Preferences
window. I mean, since the Preferences window features two sets of
preferences for two various TB editors, why couldn't the same window
feature four or five sets of preferences for keyboard shortcuts for
each of TB's working environments? The four or five environments could
be hidden under a common heading such as "Keyboard Shortcuts
Remapping" and could be unpacked using the customary + sign/key so
that they wouldn't clutter the Preferences window.

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www.avenarius.sk

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Re: different reply quotes for different people

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Vishal,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:46:02 -0400 GMT (03/09/2003, 13:46 +0700 GMT),
Vishal wrote:

TF>> I have a weird feeling [...]or I'm experiencing a deja-vu.

> Maybe you did. I posted some messages twice on TBUDL because my posts haven't
> been showing up on the list for some reason. I seem to get everyone else's
> except my own, but it's erratic. Sorry if you had to expend extra effort! For
> some reason I never got your first reply either.

You owe me a beer.

TF>> Check out the %QuoteStyle="expression" macro in the help file. I am
TF>> using %QuoteStyle="Mutti" for messages to my mother.

> Awesome! It worked. Thanks a lot!

You owe me a *big* beer. ;-)

I'll keep a list of people who owe me beers, just like MAU. Did you
know that the Thai word "mau" (pronounced "mao") translates into
"drunk" (adj.), as in: "I am drunk"?

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Re: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Deborah,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:36:15 -0400 GMT (03/09/2003, 20:36 +0700 GMT),
Deborah W wrote:

> My personal favourite, though, is the one which says: "Plain fact is
> there is nothing to equal OE. If only my OE would work"

LOL! I love this.



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Re: The Bat 2: a first glance ... and ... a disapointment

[Alexander]

03-Sep-2003 11:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I should pay something for this? why?

The only thing that really annoys me is that update policy with its two
months restriction. I registered the program when the version# was 1.62i in
the beginning of 2003. People using TB for years are paying the same update
price like those who bought it only months ago. And in three months, when
TB2 may have features that I find useful (which the update does not right
now, at least for me) and want to update, I'll have to pay the full price,
or how will that be handled?

I haven't seen anything like that before, and I'm surprised most people
seem to simply accept that. I understand perfectly well that it is time for
the developers to get money for their efforts from those users who have
been getting many many free updates, but I wished the update prices
would've been more version#, hence age dependant. Not that I couldn't
afford it, it just doesn't feel right.

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IMAP and delete/trash

[Clive Taylor]

I'm experiencing some show-stopping problems using IMAP with TB 2.0.
I know others have reported problems but are they wide spread or is
there a peculiarity on individual machines making IMAP a real pain?

1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
server. Pressing delete does nothing. Changing advanced
options|mail management to "mark as delete" does no such thing.
It removes the message from the message list on hitting delete
but the message does not appear in Trash or on the server as
deleted - or marked for deletion.

2. I can't configure a trash folder anyway. The account log tells
me the folder "Inbox.Trash" doesn't exist. Where are deleted
messages supposed to end up - assuming they are deletable in the
first place?
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Re: different reply quotes for different people

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> I'll keep a list of people who owe me beers, just like MAU.

It's not worth it, they never pay ;-)

> Did you know that the Thai word "mau" (pronounced "mao") translates
> into "drunk" (adj.), as in: "I am drunk"?

Nice :) And the Spanish beer I like best is "Mahou" and is pronounced
"mau".

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Re: IMAP and delete/trash

[Sean H .]

Hi Clive,

On 9/3/03 at 1:07 PM, Clive Taylor wrote:

CT> 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the
CT> server. Pressing delete does nothing. Changing advanced
CT> options|mail management to "mark as delete" does no such thing.
CT> It removes the message from the message list on hitting delete
CT> but the message does not appear in Trash or on the server as
CT> deleted - or marked for deletion.

I'm not able to delete messages or folders either. To make matters
worse, half the time I try (especially when deleting a large number of
messages) my machine freezes and I have to re-boot with CTRL-ALT-DEL.
Needless to say, I'm done testing the new IMAP features until I hear
this has been fixed.

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Re[4]: The Bat! Spam page

[Terry]

On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 1:13 PM, La Poste wrote:

> I found that google still had it in memory. The link is:

> http://www.google.fr/search?q=cache:TThpN1rr1AAJ:www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html+the+bat!+ritlabs+spam+tool&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

> Hope it will work for you.
> Otherwise, try searching "The Bat! and The Spammer" under google, and
> look at cached page.

Thanks so much.  I sent that on and the ISP fixed the problem.  I wish
they were all that easy.  :)

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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jack Morrison]

Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 10:10:51 PM, you wrote:

> The glyphs.bmp file goes in the home program directory of TB!; make
> sure to rename the old one (if there is one) rather than overwriting
> it... you might not like these  :-)

> Here's the file:

>http://harlos.net/glyphs.bmp
  

Michael, I loaded your glyphs file into Paint to take a peek, and I
*really* like them, and want to use them.

But because of your warning, I'm concerned with overwriting the
existing glyph's file, and there *must* be one somewhere, right?  Even
if I can't find it.

I ran a search for a file name of glyphs.bmp, and it could only find
*your* file, which I had downloaded to a temp folder. I scoured the
TB's home directory (the one that contains thebat.exe file), and found
no file even remotely resembling it.

So, all I need to do is copy your file to *that* directory, right?
I.e., TB's home directory.

How does TB know to use your file for glyphs and not the default file
(wherever it may or may not be hiding)?

Thanks!

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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Jack Morrison wrote...

> So, all I need to do is copy your file to *that* directory, right?
> I.e., TB's home directory.

Yep. :)

> How does TB know to use your file for glyphs and not the default
> file (wherever it may or may not be hiding)?

There isn't a default "file". It's hard coded into an internal
resource. If TB detects a glyphs.bmp on startup, and imports the
bitmap into the resource, and uses them instead. The defaults are
safe, all you have to do to "restore" them is remove the glyphs.bmp.

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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Jack,

on Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:43:55 -0500GMT (03.09.03, 21:43 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

JM> Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 10:10:51 PM, you wrote:

>> The glyphs.bmp file goes in the home program directory of TB!; make
>> sure to rename the old one (if there is one) rather than overwriting
>> it... you might not like these  :-)

JM> Michael, I loaded your glyphs file into Paint to take a peek, and I
JM> *really* like them, and want to use them.

JM> But because of your warning, I'm concerned with overwriting the
JM> existing glyph's file, and there *must* be one somewhere, right?  Even
JM> if I can't find it.

If you don't find it, there is none. TB! takes the glyphs hard coded in
thebat.exe if no glyphs.bmp exists.

JM> So, all I need to do is copy your file to *that* directory, right?
JM> I.e., TB's home directory.

Exactly. Just make sure its name is glyphs.bmp.

JM> How does TB know to use your file for glyphs and not the default file
JM> (wherever it may or may not be hiding)?

See above. :-)

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PGP-MIME signatures (was:Re[3]: message.att file attachment withThe Bat! v2.0 issue)

[Paul Harrison]

I'm clueless as to how I enable PGP-MIME signatures.  Googling didn't help nor
could I find in the TBUDL archives.  Is it possible with GnuGP?

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Re: The Bat 2: a first glance ... and ... a disapointment

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 1:53:58 PM, Alexander wrote:

A> I understand perfectly well that it is time for the developers to get
A> money for their efforts from those users who have been getting many
A> many free updates, but I wished the update prices would've been more
A> version#, hence age dependant.

Being dependent on version number wouldn't have made them age-dependent
- lots of people who've been using TB for a long time have been updating
& would be running the same version as those who started using it six
weeks ago.

A> Not that I couldn't afford it, it just doesn't feel right.

Be glad you can afford it. I'm annoyed about the two-month limitation
too, but it's because I can't affort to update right now & will probably
end up paying full-price by the time I can afford it again.

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Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jack Morrison]

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:53:07 PM, you wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 03, 2003, Jack Morrison wrote...

>> So, all I need to do is copy your file to *that* directory, right?
>> I.e., TB's home directory.

> Yep. :)

Bingo!  It worked!  I'm a geek!  :)

>> How does TB know to use your file for glyphs and not the default
>> file (wherever it may or may not be hiding)?

> There isn't a default "file". It's hard coded into an internal
> resource. If TB detects a glyphs.bmp on startup, and imports the
> bitmap into the resource, and uses them instead. The defaults are
> safe, all you have to do to "restore" them is remove the glyphs.bmp.

Thanks for the great explanation, Jonathan and Peter!

And thanks to you, too, Michael, for the new glyphs!

Now, do you think you can do anything about TB's flash screen? ;)

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Re: Spam plugin download location ?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello thebat,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 8:58:28 AM, you wrote:
tdc> Thanks a lot, I'll try this asap :)

tdc>>> I'm just wondering where I could find a spam plugin for my
tdc>>> newly upgraded TheBat 2.0.


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just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out thebat.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message
and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we
actually request that you not do so on this list because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top
of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which
you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then
below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more
than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and
follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you
may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this.
However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer
and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that
will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll
likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is
comfortable for them to read and understand.

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Re[3]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jeffrey A. Shumway]

Hello Jack,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 4:11:33 PM, you wrote:

JM> Now, do you think you can do anything about TB's flash screen? ;)

Try changing the shortcut to:

"C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /nologo

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Re: PGP-MIME signatures

[Peter Meyns]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Paul,

on Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:04:43 +0100GMT (03.09.03, 22:04 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PH> I'm clueless as to how I enable PGP-MIME signatures.  Googling didn't help nor
PH> could I find in the TBUDL archives.  Is it possible with GnuGP?

In TB! 2.0 you'll PGP/MIME sign by checking "Sign on sending". However,
I wouldn't advise it for this list, because AFAIK it doesn't accept
attachments, but that's how the MIME sig is submitted.

It seems to work with GnuPG too.

- --
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows 98)
Comment: *Use OpenPGP for privacy and authentication!*

iD8DBQE/Vk0aAzZSBuEHdM4RAlU/AJ9IgSGSw1iB5OC5GTgbdZEhOkrXrwCfbXtL
ywKm0A74gAvzPyjoRZaKBVU=
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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 21:43:55, Jack Morrison wrote:

> But because of your warning, I'm concerned with overwriting the
> existing glyph's file, and there *must* be one somewhere, right?

Wrong. If there isn't any glyphs.bmp file, TB will use glyphs stored in it's
executable.

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Re[4]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jack Morrison]

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 3:18:43 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Jack,

> Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 4:11:33 PM, you wrote:

JM>> Now, do you think you can do anything about TB's flash screen? ;)

> Try changing the shortcut to:

> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /nologo

Doggoneit! Double bingo!

I really am a geek now!

Thanks, Jeffrey!

I'm on a run today.

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Re: different reply quotes for different people

[Mark Wieder]

MAU-

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 11:19:58 AM, you wrote:

M> It's not worth it, they never pay ;-)

Nonsense. Here's that beer I owe you.
There.
Now we're squared away, so I don't owe you a beer anymore.

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Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jack Morrison]

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:57:56 PM, you wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 21:43:55, Jack Morrison wrote:

>> But because of your warning, I'm concerned with overwriting the
>> existing glyph's file, and there *must* be one somewhere, right?

> Wrong. If there isn't any glyphs.bmp file, TB will use glyphs stored in it's
> executable.

Thanks, Jernej, I got it now.

But your post forces me to ask another question (hey, when you're on a
run, you take advantage of it, right?).

How come your post's headers are arriving in a different font/character
set, or at least they seem to be. And they're smaller, lighter than any others.

Are you somehow overriding some kind of default that I've set up?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Thanks!

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Re[2]: PGP-MIME signatures

[Paul Harrison]

Hello Peter,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 9:22:01 PM, you wrote:

PM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
PM> Hash: SHA1

PM> Hi Paul,

PM> on Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:04:43 +0100GMT (03.09.03, 22:04 +0200GMT here),
PM> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PH>> I'm clueless as to how I enable PGP-MIME signatures.  Googling didn't help nor
PH>> could I find in the TBUDL archives.  Is it possible with GnuGP?

PM> In TB! 2.0 you'll PGP/MIME sign by checking "Sign on sending".

You mean Account-Properties-Options?  That seems to continue inline signing
here.



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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Allister Jenks]

On Thursday, 4 September 2003, at 1:19:31 a.m., Michael Harlos wrote:

> For those wanting to try changing the glyphs, it was straightforward
> to bring it in to Paint Shop Pro (I'm sure any graphics editor would
> do), and try different looks.

Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the
first place?

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Re: PGP-MIME signatures (was:Re[3]: message.att file attachmentwith The Bat! v2.0 issue)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Paul,

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:04:43 PM, you wrote:
PH> I'm clueless as to how I enable PGP-MIME signatures. Googling
PH> didn't help nor could I find in the TBUDL archives. Is it possible
PH> with GnuGP?

I do this in each of my "moderated" replies in the QT.

%USEPGP%PGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE

That puts the PGP-MIME signature on them.



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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 22:46:33, Jack Morrison wrote:

> How come your post's headers are arriving in a different font/character
> set, or at least they seem to be. And they're smaller, lighter than any others.

My messages come in either iso-8859-2 or windows-1250 character set, as
iso-8859-1 and windows-1252 don't contain the č character used in my last
name - probably your default font doesn't have this character, so The Bat
selects another, which has it.

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How to register -- page not found?

[Steve M. Sawczyn]

Hi all,

I installed TB 2.0 l/ast night and so far, like what I see.  I only recently purchased 
TB and was wondering if there was any sort of upgrade path.  Rather than bother 
everyone on the list, I went under help/how to register.  I got a "this page can not 
be displayed.  I then tried pulling up the FAQ, again under help, but with the same 
result.

I have to look up my original registration info as I'm not exactly sure when I 
purchased TB, but once I find it, how can I figure out if an upgrade path exists?

Any help greatly appreciated,

Steve



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Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Michael Harlos]

Hi Allister,

> Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the
> first place?

Someone posted a link to the glyphs.bmp file during the flurry of
emails that occurred just after the release of 2.0.  I can't actually
remember the specific message... there were quite a few. I downloaded
the file from that link.

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Re: How to register -- page not found?

[ArchY]

Bonjour Steve,

http://www.ritlabs.com/bitrix/redirect.php?event1=Go_out&event2=cheng_country&event3=bue&goto=/en/buy.php

try this one, It works for me

Le mercredi 3 septembre 2003 à 23:46:47, vous écriviez :

SMS> Hi all,

SMS> I installed TB 2.0 l/ast night and so far, like what I see.
SMS> I only recently purchased TB and was wondering if there was any
SMS> sort of upgrade path.  Rather than bother everyone on the list, I
SMS> went under help/how to register.  I got a "this page can not be
SMS> displayed.  I then tried pulling up the FAQ, again under help,
SMS> but with the same result.

SMS> I have to look up my original registration info as I'm not
SMS> exactly sure when I purchased TB, but once I find it, how can I
SMS> figure out if an upgrade path exists?

SMS> Any help greatly appreciated,

SMS> Steve


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Received Date - Weird!

[Bareges]

Evening Bat Users,

Have like many moved up to Version 2.0 but have noticed strange
received date {wasn't there in 1.63}... 'Created date' shows 31
Aug2003  'Received Date'shows 31 Aug2037 11.12.

Anyone else spotted this stramge behaviour?  How can I {at least with
this particular example} have received it at a time earlier than it
was created although  34 years into the future!!

Any obvious cure?

Regards
- Charles -

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Re: PGP-MIME signatures

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Peter,

@3-Sep-2003, 22:22 +0200 (21:22 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Paul:

PM> However, I wouldn't advise it for this list, because AFAIK it
PM> doesn't accept attachments, ...

We do allow MIME signatures here now, since this is an official
support list and we are supporting v2. Besides, they're a lot tidier
than non-MIME signatures.

Oh yes, and you can set PGP-Mime options manually in the Privacy
menu of the editor.

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Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Michael,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 you wrote in 

> Sure. I put that up as:

> http://harlos.net/glyphs_YellowMessageListIcons.bmp

> Of course, the name has to be changed to glyphs.bmp, and the usual
> warning about being sure to rename old files rather than overwrite them
> with these ones applies:-)

Had a go at doing it myself Before I read your message and came up
with the same envelope colours as you. Your glyphs are easy to redo
because they can be done in situ whereas other glyph files need
individual copying and pasting to change them.

Great fun to play around with though and get, eventually, exactly what
you want! Thanks for starting me off but I'm going to waste a fair
amount of time on them :-)

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Richard

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Mod: Top Posting (was: How to register -- page not found?)

[Allie Martin]

Archy, [A] wrote:

A> try this one, It works for me


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out ArchY.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message
and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we
actually request that you not do so on this list because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top
of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which
you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then
below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more
than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and
follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you
may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this.
However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer
and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that
will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading.
You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a
style that is comfortable for them to read and understand.

Thanks very much for reading. :)



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Re: Received Date - Weird!

[Allie Martin]

Bareges, [B] wrote:

B> Anyone else spotted this stramge behaviour? How can I {at least with
B> this particular example} have received it at a time earlier than it
B> was created although 34 years into the future!!

B> Any obvious cure?

Have you checked your system date and time? The received times are
usually generated through your system time. Received time is when TB!
downloaded/imported the messages.

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Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...

[Jack Morrison]

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 4:04:09 PM, you wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 22:46:33, Jack Morrison wrote:

>> How come your post's headers are arriving in a different font/character
>> set, or at least they seem to be. And they're smaller, lighter than any others.

> My messages come in either iso-8859-2 or windows-1250 character set, as
> iso-8859-1 and windows-1252 don't contain the č character used in my last
> name - probably your default font doesn't have this character, so The Bat
> selects another, which has it.

Thanks for the explanation, Jernej!

It would have taken me, say, 10-12 years to figure that one out
myself.

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Re[2]: Spam plugin download location ?

[Christopher Brown]

Hi Prezes,

Thanks for the link.

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 8:54:34 AM, you wrote:

P> Here is TBP Antispam plugin BayesIt 0.4c

P> http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/bayesit04c.zip (112kb)

OK, I've searched to no avail. I have sorted my spam, and run the
learning engine. And I have added the baes.tbp plugin to TB!. What
now? Do I use the Sorting Office/Filters to pass incoming mail through
the plugin somehow? How does the plugin know where to put spam? When I
get a piece of spam in my inbox, how do I tell the plugin to 'learn'
from this mail? (Assuming I get it working at some point) if I find a
piece of real mail in a spam folder, how do I reprimand it?

-Chris



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Re: Spam

[Granville Cousins]

Hello Mailing List,
I am receiving allot of spam. When the messages arrive which I do not
want I have set up filters to deal with them. All that happens is that
the senders just change their names of some other element of the
address and then the messages continue to get past my filters. Can the
Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another
programme to do this work.


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Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?

[Anne]

Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 7:30:38 AM, Vishal wrote:

V> So could you suggest someone who has? It would be a big help.


Yes Vishal I have - it works fine for me.. (I did reply earlier but
you maybe didn't see it).

I used TB! 1.62 with ZA Pro 2.6 until recently using automatic mail
checking on one mail account and it worked fine.  I've now switched to
TB! 2 and ZA Pro 4 and it still works just fine.

Many on list don't like ZA but I do and have never had any problems
with either the free or the Pro versions.

If you can't get automatic checking to work with it it must be a
setting somewhere that needs changing - does TB! have permission to
access the net always without asking through ZA?

It might be useful if you tell us what you TB! settings are for the
mail checking also - Account » Properties » Options » Mailbox
Checking.

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Re: Received Date - Weird!

[Deborah W]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 6:47:40 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

AM> Have you checked your system date and time? The received times are
AM> usually generated through your system time. Received time is when
AM> TB! downloaded/imported the messages.

That was my first thought too - but Charles' post came through as
created with today's date, & if the system date was wrong, that would be
affected too.

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Re: different reply quotes for different people

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:19:58 +0200 GMT (04/09/2003, 01:19 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> Did you know that the Thai word "mau" (pronounced "mao") translates
>> into "drunk" (adj.), as in: "I am drunk"?

> Nice :) And the Spanish beer I like best is "Mahou" and is pronounced
> "mau".

You know how to pick a nick, I see. ;-)

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one by dancing around in a threatening manner until you have knocked
them out.

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Re[2]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?

[Robyn Winter]

Hi,

V>> So could you suggest someone who has? It would be a big help.

A> I used TB! 1.62 with ZA Pro 2.6 until recently using automatic mail
A> checking on one mail account and it worked fine.  I've now switched to
A> TB! 2 and ZA Pro 4 and it still works just fine.

I use TB! 2 (and v1.62 before upgrading) with the free version of ZA (as well also
behind a hardware firewall) using automatic mail checking on two mail accounts and have
had no problems.

Nor do I remember having to go to any great lengths to get the automatic mail
checking to work.

Sorry I couldn't be of any assistance, Vishal.

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Robyn Winter


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