Re: Selective Download inconsistencies
Hi ken, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 4:16:56 AM, you wrote: I am going to create separate files for ignore_subject, ignore_from, kill_subject, kill_from, etc.. Is this what other people are doing? This is what I am doing. However, I'm not ignoring, but deleting unwanted messages. Having accidently (and still not knowing why) deleted a non-spam-msg of minor importance I have now activated the automatic mail dispatcher every time I check mail (for the account involved). Btw: You may remember someone on the list once mentioned killfiling mail that has an X-MSMail-Priority: flag in the header *and* mentions X-Mailer: The Bat in the headers, because TB!-maild doesn't show this combination. I checked may spam and now I'm also killing messages with the X-MSMail-Priority: flag *plus* any of the following strings in the header: X-Mailer: The Bat X-Mailer: CyberCreek Avalanche Millennium X-Mailer: AOL X-Mailer: McSyn Mailer Pro X-Mailer: MMailer Windows Eudora X-Mailer: MIME-tools X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Mailer: xp rveys X-Mailer: superx-mailer -- best regards, Peter Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Hi Edward, Yet these 59 zombie messages are still shown in inbox folder in The Bat! I've run folder maintenance to no avail. Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right click option)? -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Temp Files
Hello Jonathan, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, at 00:10:46 [GMT -0500] (which was 06:10 in my TimeZone) you wrote: JA On Friday, September 26, 2003, Michael Thompson wrote... Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory folder? JA Are you running a virus scanner such as Norton, or the likes? If JA Norton has a lock on the file (which it can do while it is scanning JA it), TB cannot delete it, and as such shall leave it. Remember most JA scanners do virus scans on opening a file, and writing a file. To do a JA virus scan safely, it has to get in front of the application that is JA trying to open it, and as such, will perform an OS level lock it until JA the file is finished with. Larger emails are likely to be more likely JA to be subject to longer waiting periods for the files to be released. Nope. The AV on this system is set up to ignore the Bat Mail folders. But that may be worth looking into. Thanks Jon. -- Best regards, Michael http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32 For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Hi Clive, Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right click option)? Sorry, had a brain slip. Theres no right click option for this. Instead go folder|compress with the focus on the folder you want to operate on. -- regards Clive Taylor Using TB 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thebat.exe 100% CPU usage ... please help!
Hello Mark, On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 at 22:56:21 you wrote: MW David- MW I had the 100% CPU usage thing [.../...] MW I finally reinstalled Win2k [.../...] the real problem was the OS. Same problem here but reinstalling Windows didn't solve it ;( I finally delete the Events.CFG file and The Bat! get back to use nearly 0% CPU. -- Regards, Alain The Bat! 2.00 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 23:29:55 (my local time 18:29:55), you typed: This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get better. TF I will just put in the bug report that tab doesn't do what it TF should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF Message Depatcher: TF List boxes can still not be seen. Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't TF run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. I don't really know what you mean by standard that doesn't require training, so can't say for sure if this is a bug and where it lies. The controls in the dispatcher are non-windows-standard, which means that a screen reader could have difficulties recognizing controls for what they are. In Jaws, it was possible to label the graphics for checked and unchecked status, thereby one could get the right info, in Hal, it's a little bit trickier, see below. I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21, (http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will and get back with a report on how this goes. TF I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal TF runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is). They indeed offer a demo version so it shouldn't be any problems testing it. The demo is located at: http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk or if that doesn't work try www.dolphinuk.com. The trainability wasn't that good in Hal. I'd hoped that the check controls could be recognized as untrained objects, but from the tiny test i did, it appears that it didn't. I guess it's a matter of labeling graphics even in Hal. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.6, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iQEVAwUBP3VPk7NXkIaSy56RAQGIOQf9Eoq91ac2Sx2oWIMiCDSgLZ9Bz6geP3fj 5xjpLIEq9u2xwuuQhdm8aLh7I/LzyH0YQ9p5arWSiY76WMr0gnnblPufX2Q/PvD5 wOKXjNQVw2Ok4ngsVipdG3c0XRHoFFTAkYV7SPcHsHU7XVGTuXWNWeQt7ejLpLiv 5R7YUJbqcNtWxSjaIhkUVIQCoFBhOUlGCO60Y+rJS3+eH0wF8NpL4EDNkx2ppduf 2kiKTd8JvHc2ffTpt127LCWHUKTDQ3GZwN+exUAcibPooqXEhNY+XIXR9nn8lfJQ z0UO+37+JAFM8IIexHEmDhMmBwaZBx4c8/PKP0zyF9nlCbrWaSNtqA== =xYl0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: Re: Spam
This is a forwarded message From: Granville Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 4, 2003, 1:21:12 AM Subject: Spam ===8==Original message text=== Hello Mailing List, I am receiving allot of spam. When the messages arrive which I do not want I have set up filters to deal with them. All that happens is that the senders just change their names of some other element of the address and then the messages continue to get past my filters. Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another programme to do this work. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ===8===End of original message text=== I am at present using MailWasher Free Version but still quite allot of Spam is still getting through. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
direct link to MSAA
RE: I know this was posted before, but do you have the direct link to MSAA handy? http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/nhp/Default.asp?contentid=28000544 http://www.microsoft.com/enable/guides/ http://www.microsoft.com/winlogo/accessibility/default.mspx Joe Joe Rotello / Founder / WindowGroup / Kodak, TN / USA / Voice: (865) 932-0041, ICQ 1509199 / Since 1970 Technology Translators / Trainers / Consultants / Electronic Publishers / Web and Video Publications / WWW.MHUSER.COM / www.windowgroup.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello Granville, Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another programme to do this work. Many of us use POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/), but there are others. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello, Granville: Saturday, September 27, 2003, 5:41:36 AM, you wrote: (snip) GC Can the Bat! deal with this kind GC of Spam or is it necessary to GC get another programme to do this GC work. My dear Batters, could we have a concise, succinct roundup of helpful advice on solutions (e.g. Bayesian filtering). While I embrace Bayesian in principle, it has occurred to me that implementations mentioned here in terms of The Bat are occasionally a bit trouble-prone and I already invest enough time maintaining IT here. I need to feel reasonably safe in this before I actually install anything. A question: when we say Bayesian, shall we agree this should mean automatic learning (and not manual design) for filters? -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister et al, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 9:51:19 AM, you wrote: [snip previous message as it is not relevant to the point I am raising] Another issue I have found is that certainly in Jaws if a message that you delete has a particular subject/author combination, and the next message which is now the current message has either the same author or subject, the corisponding information is not read. For example, on two messages next to each other in the message view window, with the same author and subject, I will not hear anything through my synthesiser when pressing the delete key. Further to this, it would probably be a good idea to see if we could tell the screen reader that a message is part of a thread etc. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: Spam
You will probably receive better solutions from others. But my simple approach is to filter all Welcome mail into folders, leaving the unknown-unwelcome mail in the general InBox. Filter for specific known items into appropriate folders, followed by the last filter, being The Bat's Known filter to put any non-specific items into a Welcome folder. This leaves everything else to sit in the InBox. Here you can giv it a quick glance before deleting the lot. Paul - Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 98 4.10 Build A ...Laugh at your problems; everybody else does. The following is meant to be quoted: Hello Mailing List, I am receiving allot of spam. When the messages arrive which I do not want I have set up filters to deal with them. All that happens is that the senders just change their names of some other element of the address and then the messages continue to get past my filters. Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another programme to do this work. -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am at present using MailWasher Free Version but still quite allot of Spam is still getting through. -- Love and Light, Granville Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hi Michael, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, at 12:40:17 [GMT+0200] (which was 20:40:17 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Many of us use POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/), but there are others. I find that SpamPal, after a couple of days training, is picking up almost 100% of the spam. www.spampal.org Quite expensive however - free! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 How do you get holy water? Boil the hell out of it? Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top Posting (was: Fwd: Re: Spam)
Paul Berger, [PB] wrote: PB This leaves everything else to sit in the InBox. Here you can giv it PB a quick glance before deleting the lot. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Paul. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thanks very much for reading. :) /moderator -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: direct link to MSAA
Hello Joe, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:42:09 -0400 GMT (27/09/2003, 16:42 +0700 GMT), Joe Rotello wrote: RE: I know this was posted before, but do you have the direct link to MSAA handy? Thanks for the links. Will include them in the report. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Klaus Toppmoeller: Ich musste meine Jungs ins kalte Feuer werfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:51:19 +0200 GMT (27/09/2003, 15:51 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF I will just put in the bug report that tab doesn't do what it TF should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. I will give them quite a number of examples. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't TF run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. I don't really know what you mean by standard that doesn't require training, so can't say for sure if this is a bug and where it lies. The controls in the dispatcher are non-windows-standard, I meant the Windows-Standards that Joe has already referred me to. I just thought when they are adhered to, a training is not necessary any more. Never mind. which means that a screen reader could have difficulties recognizing controls for what they are. In Jaws, it was possible to label the graphics for checked and unchecked status, thereby one could get the right info, in Hal, it's a little bit trickier, see below. Why do you say it was possible? Is it not possible any more, or do you just mean you are not using Jaws any more? I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21, TF I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal TF runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is). They indeed offer a demo version so it shouldn't be any problems Will look into it soon, thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Subway: We Are Not Public Transportation, Dammit Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to filter Worm (the Microsoft one)
Hello Neal, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 1:35:03 AM, you wrote: Neal Friday, September 26, 2003, 2:42:16 PM, you wrote: Neal I am reg-ex challenged and I wish I had that kind of a solution for Neal you. Use these two filter files in two selective download filters and Neal that should get 90% of them. I've been getting 1 every minute or two. Neal Check the text first so you don't miss anything you really need before Neal you install them. Good luck. Can you send me a copy to please. Thank you. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Dear Clive, On Friday, September 26, 2003, 11:28:47 PM, you wrote: CT Hi Clive, Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right click option)? CT Sorry, had a brain slip. Theres no right click option for this. CT Instead go folder|compress with the focus on the folder you want to CT operate on. I am sure I tried this, because I tried all the obvious things. I finally became desparate and deleted the files 00.tbb and 00.tbi (actually, I saved them to another directory). This worked, but now I wonder if I did some real damage. The Bat! re-created them, but in the folder listing the inbox folder is totally empty. Of some 35 messages this morning, all were filtered correctly except one, which was over-sized. However, it does not show up in the inbox folder. I can access it by using the message dispatcher. Is this normal behavior? Ed _ | Edward J. Krall | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 10838 North 110 Place | (480) 614-0423 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85259 | | |___|_| Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Direct link to MSAA
Resend of earlier Email -- this one is in Text Only mode. Joe RE: I know this was posted before, but do you have the direct link to MSAA handy? http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/nhp/Default.asp?contentid=28000544 http://www.microsoft.com/enable/guides/ http://www.microsoft.com/winlogo/accessibility/default.mspx Joe Joe Rotello / Founder / WindowGroup / Kodak, TN / USA / Voice: (865) 932-0041, ICQ 1509199 / Since 1970 Technology Translators / Trainers / Consultants / Electronic Publishers / Web and Video Publications / WWW.MHUSER.COM / www.windowgroup.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fwd: Re: Spam
Hello John, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 1:41:59 PM, you wrote: Many of us use POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/), but there are others. JP I find that SpamPal, after a couple of days training, is picking up JP almost 100% of the spam. JP www.spampal.org Finally started using K9 and happy with it, works well with The Bat! and Pocomail (had a little bit of trouble to set that one up, but luckely found that it suffices to use 127.0.0.1: for the Server-setting) JP Quite expensive however - free! Same goes for K9... Since start (19/09): 98,4% Accuracy, since 23/09: 99,6%. Only to say it didn't take long... http://keir.net/k9.html -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! Files Corrupted or Infected
I hope you all will forgive me for using Opera's mailer. Special apologies to Marck. ;-) Using registered TB! 2.00.6 This morning I opened TB! and found that my the_bat.exe and many other files in my TB! directories have been changed to numbered files. E.g., 17240. Note the . is part of the filename and not the extension delimiter. I have a bunch of older versions of the_bat.exe in a subdirectory and they were all renamed in a similar fashion. A couple of my accounts survived with correct filenames and messages bases intact but most of my accounts have been changed. I renamed my changed 2.00.6 executable to the_bat.exe just to see what would happen and upon running it, new account icons appeared in place of the old @. This is the first I've seen of these even though I've been running v2.00.6 for a couple of weeks. If this has been previously addressed, my apologies. My TBUDL files are gone missing and I've had problems with my web connections today. Any help in repairing and recovering greatly appreciated. -- Regards, Paddy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! Files Corrupted or Infected
Hi Paddy, @27-Sep-2003, 10:05 -0700 (18:05 UK time) Paddy L said to TBUDL: new account icons appeared in place of the old @. This is the first I've seen of these even though I've been running v2.00.6 for a couple of weeks. I can't comment on what may have caused the bulk renaming of all of your files, but I can make a good guess as to why you now have mailboxes instead of @ signs. I'll bet you were previously using a custom glyphs.bmp and it, too, has been renamed! That leaves you exposed to the new v2 default icon set. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Worm filter text
Hi, Here are the two text files I have cobbled together that will stop most of the swen worms. Still getting one or two a minute and none got through in the last 8 hours since I went off-line last night. There are two selective download filters: form and to. Originator.txt and addressee.txt are the external files you would use respectively. My apologies to the list for trying to upload a zip file yesterday; I now understand attachments are not allowed here. -- Neal, the Reg-Ex Challenged One /* originator.text */ @advisor.com @advisor.microsoft.com @advisor.microsoft.net @advisor.ms.com @advisor.ms.net @advisor.msdn.com @advisor.msdn.net @advisor.msn.com @advisor.msn.net @advisor.net @advisor_com @advisor_microsoft.com @advisor_microsoft.net @advisor_ms.com @advisor_ms.net @advisor_msdn.com @advisor_msdn.com @advisor_msdn.com @advisor_msdn.net @advisor_msn.com @advisor_msn.net @advisor_net @america.com @america.net @aol.com @aol.net @bbxsito.microsoft.net @bbxsito.microsoft.net @bigfoot.com @bigfoot.net @bulletin.com @bulletin.microsoft.com @bulletin.microsoft.net @bulletin.ms.com @bulletin.ms.net @bulletin.msdn.com @bulletin.msdn.net @bulletin.msn.com @bulletin.msn.net @bulletin.net @bulletin_com @bulletin_microsoft.com @bulletin_microsoft.net @bulletin_ms.com @bulletin_ms.net @bulletin_msdn.com @bulletin_msdn.net @bulletin_msn.com @bulletin_msn.net @bulletin_net @confidence.com @confidence.microsoft.com @confidence.microsoft.net @confidence.ms.com @confidence.ms.net @confidence.msdn.com @confidence.msdn.net @confidence.msn.com @confidence.msn.net @confidence.net @emaildomain.net @freemail.com @hotmail.com @lb.redirect.msnbc.com @microsoft.com @microsoft.net @ms.com @ms.net @msdn.com @msdn.net @msn.com @msn.net @msnews.microsoft.com @netmail.com @netmail.net @news.com @news.microsoft.com @news.microsoft.net @news.ms.com @news.ms.net @news.msdn.com @news.msdn.net @news.msn.com @news.msn.net @news.net @news_com @news_microsoft.com @news_microsoft.net @news_ms.com @news_ms.com @news_ms.com @news_ms.net @news_msdn.com @news_msdn.net @news_msdn.net @news_msdn.net @news_msn.com @news_msn.net @news_net @newsletter.com @newsletter.microsoft.com @newsletter.microsoft.net @newsletter.ms.com @newsletter.ms.net @newsletter.msdn.com @newsletter.msdn.net @newsletter.msn.com @newsletter.msn.net @newsletter.net @newsletter_com @newsletter_microsoft.com @newsletter_microsoft.net @newsletter_ms.com @newsletter_ms.net @newsletter_msdn.com @newsletter_msdn.net @newsletter_msn.com @newsletter_msn.net @newsletter_net @newsletters.com @newsletters.microsoft.com @newsletters.net @newsletters_com @newsletters_ms.com @newsletters_ms.net @puremail.com @puremail.net @rocketmail.com @rocketmail.net @smtpdomain.com @support.com @support.microsoft.com @support.microsoft.net @support.ms.com @support.ms.net @support.msdn.com @support.msdn.net @support.msn.com @support.msn.net @support.net @technet.com @technet.microsoft.com @technet.microsoft.net @technet.ms.com @technet.ms.net @technet.msdn.com @technet.msdn.net @technet.msn.com @technet.msn.net @technet.net @tenchiclub.com @uocra.org @updates.com @updates.microsoft.com @updates.microsoft.net @updates.ms.com @updates.ms.net @updates.msdn.com @updates.msdn.net @updates.msn.com @updates.msn.net @updates.net @wsobm.com @yahoo.com @yahoo.net postmaster admin MS Public Bulletin Postmaster /* originator.txt */ /* addressee.txt */ admin advisor.com advisor.microsoft.com advisor.microsoft.net advisor.ms.com advisor.ms.net advisor.msdn.com advisor.msdn.net advisor.msn.com advisor.msn.net advisor.net advisor_com advisor_microsoft.com advisor_microsoft.net advisor_ms.com advisor_ms.net advisor_msdn.com advisor_msdn.com advisor_msdn.com advisor_msdn.net advisor_msn.com advisor_msn.net advisor_net america.com america.net aol.com aol.net bbxsito.microsoft.net bbxsito.microsoft.net bigfoot.com bulletin.com bulletin.microsoft.com bulletin.microsoft.net bulletin.ms.com bulletin.ms.net bulletin.msdn.com bulletin.msdn.net bulletin.msn.com bulletin.msn.net bulletin.net bulletin_com bulletin_microsoft.com bulletin_microsoft.net bulletin_ms.com bulletin_ms.net bulletin_msdn.com bulletin_msdn.net bulletin_msn.com bulletin_msn.net bulletin_net confidence.com confidence.microsoft.com confidence.microsoft.net confidence.ms.com confidence.ms.net confidence.msdn.com confidence.msdn.net confidence.msn.com confidence.msn.net confidence.net email user emailserver.com freemail.com hotmail.com Mail Client Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] microsoft.com microsoft.net ms.com ms.net msdn.com msdn.net msn.com msn.net msnews.microsoft.com mxserver.com mxserver.com netmail.com netmail.net Network Client [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Receiver [EMAIL PROTECTED] news.com news.microsoft.com news.microsoft.net news.ms.com news.ms.net
Re: Worm filter text
Hello Neal, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 9:17:50 PM, you wrote: There are two selective download filters: form and to. Originator.txt and addressee.txt are the external files you would use respectively. And only the mails that match with both (so From AND to) will be deleted? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. - Chinese Proverb Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Worm filter text
Saturday, September 27, 2003, 12:05:43 PM, Edgar wrote: E Hello Neal, E Saturday, September 27, 2003, 9:17:50 PM, you wrote: There are two selective download filters: form and to. Originator.txt and addressee.txt are the external files you would use respectively. E And only the mails that match with both (so From AND to) will be E deleted? No - this is an OR condition: if one does not do it, the second will. I have the sender filter first, then the addressee. I also have some Subject items I forgot to mention which would be yet a third Selective download filter: virus error patch pack latest increase Critical Security Bulletin Security pack unknown undelivered failure no subject latest newest returned bug error recipient network mail message privacy It was also pointed out to me by Ken that AOL and Yahoo are in the list. Delete these if it is a problem. I'm sure open to a reg-ex solution (hint to lurkers..) -- Neal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! Files Corrupted or Infected
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:40:23 +0100, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @27-Sep-2003, 10:05 -0700 (18:05 UK time) Paddy L said to TBUDL: new account icons appeared in place of the old @. This is the first I've seen of these even though I've been running v2.00.6 for a couple of weeks. I can't comment on what may have caused the bulk renaming of all of your files, but I can make a good guess as to why you now have mailboxes instead of @ signs. I'll bet you were previously using a custom glyphs.bmp and it, too, has been renamed! That leaves you exposed to the new v2 default icon set. You are right. Thanks. The renamed files are a puzzle. If I'm willing to remove The Bat! completely and do a new installation, I can try to restore from my last backup, but that will br from the backup of the beta 2.0 done just before installing the final. I'll lose the last 10 days of mail, including some fairly important stuff. I've done scans for viruses and trojans and nothing is found. The file renaming is confined to The Bat. This is the first real problem I've had with TB! in several years of use. -- (pad) Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! Files Corrupted or Infected
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Paddy, On 27 September 2003, 14:00 -0700 (22:00 local time) Paddy L [PL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PL The renamed files are a puzzle. If I'm willing to remove The Bat! PL completely and do a new installation, I can try to restore from my last PL backup, but that will br from the backup of the beta 2.0 done just before PL installing the final. I'll lose the last 10 days of mail, including some PL fairly important stuff. This is what I'd probably do. First close TB! and rename C:\Program Files\The Bat! to something else. Then do a clean install and restore your last known backup. Now to recover your lost messages... First, the facts. Renaming files doesn't change the modified date. The TB! folder view is replicated on your hard drive. Each mail folder typically contains two files; i.e. MESSAGES.TBI and MESSAGES.TBB. MESSAGES.TBB is often but not necessarily the largest of the two files. Therefore, you should be able to import messages (ToolsImport MessagesFrom The Bat! Message Base (.TBB-files...) into a temporary folder in TB! by identifying which files were modified after your last backup and renaming them to MESSAGES.TBI and MESSAGES.TBB. If you get it the wrong way round TB! will say that no files were imported. Finally, you can move them to your inbox, apply your filters and then use Folder-Maintenance... to remove dupes etc. Hopefully, that's helpful. But whatever you decide to do please keep a copy of all files. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.15 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP3YIcVv+PP8p0/caEQJFYACfVMKoX9/TWMeVgSCLF6pEgv7gJuAAniwr 69pjE6uZG3VyBdAe7BLOhJ4/ =KXqy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply Function Suddenly Stopped Quoting Message Being Replied To - in One Account
Hi, I'm using TB version 1.48e. It has worked just fine for a long time. But suddenly -- opening the program today, receiving messages, starting to reply -- the quoting function did not/does not work in one of my three accounts. I go to reply, TB brings up the proper reply screen, but where there should be the original message, quoted as in the example below from a recent post to this list . . . PL The renamed files are a puzzle. If I'm willing to remove The PL Bat! completely and do a new installation, I can try to PL restore from my last backup, but that will br from the . . . there is nothing, just a blank white space in the text window, as if I were composing a new message with the New Message function. I am baffled: 1. I changed no settings that I am aware of. 2. I searched through the Account, Tools, View menus looking for something I could do to restore the Reply function, with no luck. 3. If I move any message from the afflicted account X to either of my other two accounts, I can reply properly, with the original message fully quoted as it should be. 4. If I move any folder from the afflicted account X to either of my other two accounts, I can reply properly, with the original message fully quoted as it should be, to any message in that moved folder. 5. If I move any message (or folder) from either of the two still-good accounts into the afflicted account X and try to reply, the quoting function does not work and there is nothing but blank white space in the text window. These various tests seem to indicate indicate clearly that the problem is in account X rather than in TB. But darned if I know what to do about it. Am I not seeing something obvious? Any suggestions? Many thanks. Be well, Jerry Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Temp Files
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, September 27, 2003, Michael Thompson wrote... Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the massive amount of tempory files the bat now leaves hanging round in the tempory folder? JA Are you running a virus scanner such as Norton, or the likes? Nope. The AV on this system is set up to ignore the Bat Mail folders. But that may be worth looking into. Thanks Jon. You might have it set to ignore TB Mail folders, but that doesn't include Temp right? When TB is downloading emails, it writes the data into a temporary file (one for each mail) into the temp folder. Whilst the file is being open for writing/reading, virus scanners will lock it before you can do anything with it. I think this kind of behaviour has been observed before on this list a long while back. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Exxon - greasing the coastline for smoother boating! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP3WwDyuD6BT4/R9zEQJkcgCg3TJ3dpLltIwgGWcMZ5xbZNu68cAAoLFu nd2ESR9x0GNCSQi2SG9qGvtH =ux/9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Function Suddenly Stopped Quoting Message Being Replied To - in One Account
Hallo Jerry, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:25:22 -0400GMT (28-9-03, 2:25 +0200, where I live), you wrote: J But suddenly -- opening the program today, receiving messages, J starting to reply -- the quoting function did not/does not work J in one of my three accounts. I go to reply, TB brings up the J proper reply screen, but where there should be the original J message, quoted as in the example below from a recent post to J this list . . . I've got something like that. Sometimes TB freezes on replying via the reply-button on the toolbar. For me it happens when my template uses a different language than my previous reply. As I'm e-mailing bilingual that's kind of a nuisance for me. However, when I'm replying with Ctrl-Enter nothing's amiss. So these days I've disabled my toolbar, so I can't use the reply-button and have to Ctrl-Enter always in order to reply. As I'm rather keyboard oriented, that's not really difficult for me. You could try it for yourself. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quick Search Folder Navigation
I use the Quick Search toolbar quite a bit on an every day basis trying to find this or that message -- which works fine when I'm in the main TB window. But I have only my message list in that window, no preview pane, and actually read my mail in a separate window. I often find myself wishing that I could display the Quick Search toolbar in the 'view folder' window, as well, but as near as I can tell this is not possible . . . would love to see it as a new feature. Also, when in the main client window moving to the next unread message ( ctrl + alt + - ) if there are no more unread messages in the current folder it will move on to the next folder with unread messages within. In the folder view, however, such is not the case and I must manually move on to the next folder. I'd like to, at least, have the option have folder view behave similarly, allowing me to seamlessly move from folder to folder chasing unread messages. I didn't want to send these to the wish list if no one else would find them useful, so . . . any feedback? -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.6 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 3:37:58 PM, you wrote: D Is there anyway to bring this forward or on top of TheBat program? RO Options - Preferences - General - Display Connection Centre: Automatically When I use the actual Download Icon The Connection Centre Works just fine. In prior versions I was able to press the F2 button, which will also download my mail. However, When using the F2 button the Connection Centre automatically starts up minimized in the tray. Not in front of the TheBat! program as it does when I use the icon. Thus I was unaware if the Connection had been made or not. I do watch the in box and can see the numbers changing as the post are filtered. But sometimes I'm looking for a particular email... My settings are as you suggested. -- Cheers, Dean The Bat2.00.18 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Quick Search Folder Navigation
9/27/2003, 9:09 PM: Allie said in Quick Search Folder Navigation AM Allen, [A] wrote: A I often find myself wishing that I could display the Quick Search A toolbar in the 'view folder' window. AM Same here. I've been wanting this feature for a very long time. Is it in the BT wishlist? I'll double check and submit it . . . can't hurt to try. A I'd like to, at least, have the option have folder view behave A similarly, allowing me to seamlessly move from folder to folder A chasing unread messages. AM I share your sentiments as well. Maybe I'll wish list that, too, then . . . AM However, as an alternative to this, I view all new messages in a single AM separate window. This is the Window that displays all ticker messages AM for browsing. You could configure the ticker to display unread messages AM for particular folders. Double click on the ticker, or use your AM configured hotkey to bring up the ticker virtual folder. Enable AM View/Message List. You can also enable the 'Folder' message list column AM so you get an idea of which folder the messages are from. You could also AM sort according to folder so that the messages from particular folders AM are clustered together. In this way, you're browsing new messages AM without having to move from folder to folder. Works very well for me. That wouldn't work so well, for me, though . . . I suspect that, in your case, the mail ticker is more or less a permanent fixture on your desktop? I only display my Inbox and Inbox - Known folders. Basically, only'personal'stuff appears there. When I'm skimming folder-to-folder for unread messages, it's usually my TB newsgroups, my RSS subscriptions [IMAP via blogstreet], and my usenet via mailgate. This is a bunch of messages that I don't really need broadcast on the ticker, as I already just assume they're there waiting for me to get to them -- so that work-around won't really work so well for me. Subsequently, I end up having to ctrl+alt+g then select the next folder manually. Which, of course, is not big deal in and of itself . . . BUT it seems that there /could/ be a better way, quite easily. And as a long-time TB user, I'm spoiled rotten -- I expect there to be a quicker way to do pretty much every thing . . . -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.18 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Claude, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 3:33:56 PM, you wrote: PL Hi all, PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? CR Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly I will work with Window-Eyes. CR It's true than we can use the bat! with jaws or any screen CR readers if we create custom settings a bit. CR But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said CR that jaws works perfectly with the bat!. CR In fact we can use it but I think we could greatly improve CR the accessibility of the bat! by making it Ms accessibility CR compliant in order to use the Ritlabs Html engine or if we can CR identify with tooltips all icons in the program. With some exception, I'm finding that the tool tips read fine. Incorporating MSAA in TB's html engine would be neat, but it'd probably increase the size of TB and, well, I kind of like the fact that is't not that big. MM How do you read text in Microsoft Internet MM Explorer, there is also no cursor there. CR Yes, but in this case screen readers rely on Microsoft Active CR accessibility (you can obtain information at CR http://www.microsoft.com/enable or msdn). CR Or you could either : CR - customize the html component used in the bat! enabling the CR cursor caret. Then we could be able to read html message and CR scroll them because screen readers could then track the cursor properly, CR - or letting optionnally the ability to activate the CR Microsoft Html renderer engine. Incorporating the ability to activate the Microsoft engine would be neat, but it should definitely be an option, an option disabled by default. I wonder what the security implications of this might be? CR And it would also be very interesting if we could access to CR the toolbars, the mailticker and so on... Using my Window Eyes cursor, I can access the toolbars fine. Toolbar access, especially in MS Office, is greatly assisted by incorporation of MSAA. CR I truely hope that Ritlabs will make an effort in this direction. I'm sure they will -- they seem very interested in feedback from customers and in genuinely improving their product. -- Best regards, Stevemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Invalid HTML - are the developers on top of this?
Hi Bat! Fans, This message in an HTML mail:- Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EConvertError '' is not a valid integer value I reported previously. I may be mixed up - was this to be fixed in 2.00.6 or later? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Stick: A boomerang that doesn't work. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Worm filter text
Hello Neal, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:17:50 -0800 GMT (28/09/2003, 02:17 +0700 GMT), Neal Laugman wrote: There are two selective download filters: form and to. Originator.txt and addressee.txt are the external files you would use respectively. [Orig] @advisor.com @advisor.microsoft.com @advisor.microsoft.net @advisor.ms.com @advisor.ms.net @advisor.msdn.com @advisor.msdn.net @advisor.msn.com @advisor.msn.net ... Why don't you just use @advisor? Same goes for @bulletin and @news etc. @aol.com You don't know anybody who uses AOL? For me this would cause quite a number of false positives. @freemail.com @hotmail.com @yahoo.com You'll definitely get false-postives when reading this very mailing list. Same (a lot of false positives) will be true for your addressee list. I think you just stored the domains of the email addresses with which the worm arrived on your computer. Of course you have a very high probability that a new infected mail is caught, but the probability of false-postives is far too high for my taste. If you think otherwise, try this as a filtering string for the kill filter: @. You will not receive a single infected mail. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Note: Please don't misconstrue my 14 jobs as 'job-hopping'. I have never quit a job. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
view threads by
I posted about the 'view threads by' setting being account-specific. Someone replied stating that the thread view is folders-specific. Can someone confirm this? For me (v1.62r) it is definitely account-specific, but I was wondering if the newest version allows different thread views for each folder. Or better yet - I'm missing some setting that would allow me to view threads differently in two folders from the same account, and someone could point me in the right direction. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Function Suddenly Stopped Quoting Message Being Replied To - in One Account
Hello JM14, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:25:22 -0400 GMT (28/09/2003, 07:25 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But suddenly -- opening the program today, receiving messages, starting to reply -- the quoting function did not/does not work in one of my three accounts. I go to reply, TB brings up the proper reply screen, but where there should be the original message, quoted as in the example below from a recent post to this list . . . [TB 1.48e] What's your OS? Are you using account templates exclusively? If so, check whether they are still there. Account / Properties / Templates / Reply. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. SYMPTOM: Feet cold and wet. FAULT: Glass being held at incorrect angle. ACTION: Rotate glass so that open end points toward the ceiling. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
