Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 2:30:36 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH That would be fine, but it has been my experience that this is not WH always the case. Sometimes it scrolls all the way to the top and WH ignores what is the last read message - especially with the inbox. WH Is this a bug? Does anyone else experience this? Yes, this will happen if there's been anything *done* to the folder since you last viewed it, such as purging compressing it. I would also like TB to remember the last message through such procedures. -- Deborah A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. - William James Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 6:44:26 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH 1) I actually do not want to go to any unread messages. What I WH really want to do is go to the oldest new message. Sometimes I WH skip over messages that are not important, i.e. spam. I want to be WH able to quickly see what messages have been added to the folder WH since I last opened the folder. I do this in MS Outlook all the WH time. So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? WH 2) I want it to be automated. I don't want to scroll or use a WH keystroke. H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that matters more to me. Just one further thought - this might not be a suitable solution for you, depending on your circumstances, but what about using the Message Ticker the Virtual Folder it provides? -- Deborah Mahatma Ghandi, when asked by a reporter for his opinion of western civilisation: I think it would be a good idea. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 08:19:40[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was 16:19 where I live) Deborah wrote: Deborah On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 6:44:26 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH 1) I actually do not want to go to any unread messages. What I WH really want to do is go to the oldest new message. Sometimes I WH skip over messages that are not important, i.e. spam. I want to be WH able to quickly see what messages have been added to the folder WH since I last opened the folder. I do this in MS Outlook all the WH time. Deborah So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In Deborah that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? He and me too don't want to screen read messages neither. WH 2) I want it to be automated. I don't want to scroll or use a WH keystroke. Deborah H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke Deborah to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving Deborah around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that Deborah matters more to me. You didn't read his situation clearly. He and many of us often only read some part of messages, especially in the mailing list case, thus leave read and unread msgs staggered everywhere. Every day, we make TB! purge msgs on exit to automatically delete old read and unread msgs, this makes in the next time TB lose its msg selection, it's really inconvenient, and Ctl-Alt-Right keystroke can not solve this situation, because the keystroke only makes TB select the first unread msg which in most case is what we don't interested one; We lost and need take burden to find where we last time at. -- Best regards, Bobi Jam TB! 2.03 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Featurerequest: (re)open message in Outbox just by clicking in message
Hello Henk, Wouldn´t it be nice when you want to send or change a (draft) message in the Outboxfolder, to (re)open the message just by clicking in the message itself? No, I think it better to leave it like it is now, a double click on the message list pane. It isn't that difficult to do, is it? A double click on the preview pane does the standard Windows function of selecting the word you double click on. In my case, I use this to copy names, etc., and then paste somewhere else, or to see in my dictionary the meaning of a word I don't know. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Bobi Jam, [BJ] wrote: BJ Every day, we make TB! purge msgs on exit to automatically delete BJ old read and unread msgs, this makes in the next time TB lose its BJ msg selection, it's really inconvenient, and Ctl-Alt-Right keystroke BJ can not solve this situation, because the keystroke only makes TB BJ select the first unread msg which in most case is what we don't BJ interested one; We lost and need take burden to find where we last BJ time at. I see what you mean. Why purge and compress everyday on exit? Why not do it manually once a week? TB! handles large bases very well and purging and compressing messes up your position in the message list. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 RC/1 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Featurerequest: (re)open message in Outbox just by clicking in message
Hello MAU, On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:17:05 +0100GMT (11-2-2004, 10:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Wouldn´t it be nice when you want to send or change a (draft) message in the Outboxfolder, to (re)open the message just by clicking in the message itself? M No, I think it better to leave it like it is now, a double click on the M message list pane. It isn't that difficult to do, is it? For me it is much easier to click in the message than in the message list pane. M A double click on the preview pane does the standard Windows function of M selecting the word you double click on. In my case, I use this to copy M names, etc., and then paste somewhere else, or to see in my dictionary M the meaning of a word I don't know. A word can also be selected by just marking it with the mouse. -- regards, Henk. __ The Bat! v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Featurerequest: (re)open message in Outbox just by clicking in message
Hello Henk, Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 11:17:10 AM, you wrote: M A double click on the preview pane does the standard Windows function of M selecting the word you double click on. In my case, I use this to copy M names, etc., and then paste somewhere else, or to see in my dictionary M the meaning of a word I don't know. HdB A word can also be selected by just marking it with the mouse. Yes but why break standard windows interface behaviour for an unnecessary task. Programs that break established behaviour are the bane of users lives. When I want to select a single word I double lcick on it instead of manually marking it. It's faster and more accurate and any cahnges would be unwelcome. -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Featurerequest: (re)open message in Outbox just by clicking in message
Hello Henk, M No, I think it better to leave it like it is now, a double click on the M message list pane. It isn't that difficult to do, is it? For me it is much easier to click in the message than in the message list pane. Come on! You just have to move the mouse pointer a few centimetres up. A word can also be selected by just marking it with the mouse. Of course, but that is much more difficult than double clicking and also more possibly inaccurate. And as Jamie says, that means breaking standard windows interface behaviour. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 3:19:40 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In DW that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? Because I want to see the read and unread messages. DW H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke DW to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving DW around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that DW matters more to me. Because this should be unnecessary. What I describe is normal behavior in every other mail application I have used. DW Just one further thought - this might not be a suitable solution for DW you, depending on your circumstances, but what about using the Message DW Ticker the Virtual Folder it provides? No, it's not. It doesn't do the same thing that I am talking about. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Bobi, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 3:38:26 AM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): BJ Hello Deborah, BJ On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 08:19:40[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was BJ 16:19 where I live) Deborah wrote: Deborah On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 6:44:26 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH 1) I actually do not want to go to any unread messages. What I WH really want to do is go to the oldest new message. Sometimes I WH skip over messages that are not important, i.e. spam. I want to be WH able to quickly see what messages have been added to the folder WH since I last opened the folder. I do this in MS Outlook all the WH time. Deborah So you want to *see* but not *open* your unread messages, right? In Deborah that case, why not use the View-Display-Only Unread Messages option? BJ He and me too don't want to screen read messages neither. That is correct. WH 2) I want it to be automated. I don't want to scroll or use a WH keystroke. Deborah H...I guess I don't see it as such a big deal to use one keystroke Deborah to do what I want to do. TB gives me much more flexibility in moving Deborah around my email that Outlook (or anything else I've ever tried) - that Deborah matters more to me. BJ You didn't read his situation clearly. He and many of us often only read BJ some part of messages, especially in the mailing list case, thus leave read BJ and unread msgs staggered everywhere. Every day, we make TB! purge msgs on BJ exit to automatically delete old read and unread msgs, this makes in the BJ next time TB lose its msg selection, it's really inconvenient, and BJ Ctl-Alt-Right keystroke can not solve this situation, because the keystroke BJ only makes TB select the first unread msg which in most case is what we BJ don't interested one; We lost and need take burden to find where we last BJ time at. This is similar to my experience but I am not automatically deleting messages. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Featurerequest: (re)open message in Outbox just by clicking in message
Hello MAU, On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:55:43 +0100GMT (11-2-2004, 13:55 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M No, I think it better to leave it like it is now, a double click on the M message list pane. It isn't that difficult to do, is it? For me it is much easier to click in the message than in the message list pane. M Come on! You just have to move the mouse pointer a few centimetres up. A word can also be selected by just marking it with the mouse. M Of course, but that is much more difficult than double clicking and M also more possibly inaccurate. And as Jamie says, that means breaking M standard windows interface behaviour. I am only talking about another way of opening messages in the outbox, like in the newsreader 40tude Dialog. Not in any other folder. -- regards, Henk. __ The Bat! v2.02.3nl CE on Windows XP PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Featurerequest: (re)open message in Outbox just by clicking in message
Hello Henk, On 11 Feb 2004 at 14:40:37 +0100 GMT [14:40 CET] you wrote: HdB I am only talking about another way of opening messages in the outbox, HdB like in the newsreader 40tude Dialog. Not in any other folder. And thus adding to the confusion. If I click in the preview pane in that folder I select a word, if I do the same in the outbox the editor is opened. No. It should be the same for all folders. And it should be the behaviour windows users expect. -- Cheers, Andre Träume nicht dein Leben, sondern lebe deinen Traum! Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Chris, On Tuesday, February 10, 2004, at 4:24:21 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): If not, I will submit a feature request. C You will probably need to submit a feature request. However, you C should do a search first so that you don't create a duplicate C feature C request. The more I think about it, this should be a bug not a feature request. This is the only mail application that I have ever seen behave this way. I'm shocked that most people don't find it annoying, especially those who are using TB to read mail lists. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Contact icon colors
I hate to bother the list for a seemingly trivial question, but what do the colors of the icons for address book icons represent? There doesn't seem to be anything in the Help file on this, and I didn't find anything in the Archives on point. -- Thanks, Stan Robins Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat, 2.02.3 CE www.ritlabs.com * The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. * Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Contact icon colors
Dear Stan, @11-Feb-2004, 08:37 -0600 (11-Feb 14:37 UK time) Stan Robins [SR] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: SR I hate to bother the list for a seemingly trivial question, but SR what do the colors of the icons for address book icons SR represent? To put it bluntly - Sex! Blue - Boy Pink - Girl (well, red really( Grey - Unspecified -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Passworrd Change
Monday, February 9, 2004, 3:51:45 PM, you wrote: MP I downloaded it some time ago, but did not use it until today. MP Hope it helps. Be sure to get to the correct account.cfg. Thanks, came through fine, got the right account.cfg, it found the new password, but apparently the old one is still floating around somewhere. I can't figure out what password I used to set it up, either. Chemo brain :-( I think I'm going to have to do a reinstall, and I hope when I do it without 'account properties', it loses that old password. Lynn TheBat 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000Service Pack 2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://home.comcast.net/~Hhawthorn/index.html Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Passworrd Change
Hello Lynn, Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 3:42:40 PM, you wrote: L Thanks, came through fine, got the right account.cfg, it L found the new password, but apparently the old one is L still floating around somewhere. I can't figure out what L password I used to set it up, either. Chemo brain :-( How many accounts do you have how many account.cfgs do you have? Did you do a search (find file) for account.cfg on your HD(s)? Normally there should be one in the \mail directory as well as one in each of it's subdirectories. I suppose an account.cfg in your path would not influence The Bat!, though... L I think I'm going to have to do a reinstall, and I hope L when I do it without 'account properties', it loses that L old password. Would it help if you would - archive the account.* files first (so you still have them and are able to restore them) - then delete them one at a time to see if the problem disappears? There must be people who know more about this than I do... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello ken, On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:02:26 -0600 GMT (11/02/2004, 02:02 +0700 GMT), ken green wrote: But by your logic, it would be logical if while reading through messages, I deleted a message, the focus jumped to the top of the list. And that certainly doesn't make sense. You are right about this. How about mimicking the behavior of manual deletion? Yes, this would make sense IMHO. I think that returning from a filter or compressing, etc. focus should return to the last message viewed. If not that, then at least let us choose top or bottom. OK. I would even support this. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: When a person is knocked unconscious by a blow to the head, they will never suffer a concussion or brain damage. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/59 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.
Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:48:35 -0500 replied to Dirigo's question: Does anyone recall if we can specify a specific temporary location, other than C:\WINDOWS\TEMP, for the initial download processing of messages? Most Windows programs get the Temporary folder path from the environmental variable TEMP or TMP. To see what you current value it, open a command prompt: --- text snipped --- Thank you, Chris. I appreciate the written detail and your efforts here. Am off to follow your directions. Take care. Regards, Dirigo Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 1:26:42 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH Because this should be unnecessary. What I describe is normal WH behavior in every other mail application I have used. It's not normal behaviour for OE, or for Eudora, or, I think, Pegasus...of course there are other things which are normal behaviour in those apps (such as defaulting to html, running viruses automatically, in OE, using up huge amounts of system resources in Eudora...) which I'm very glad I don't see in TB. -- Deborah Ever wonder what the speed of lightning would be if it didn't zigzag? Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Contact icon colors
Hello Marck, On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:42:07 + GMT (11/02/2004, 21:42 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: To put it bluntly - S*x! I can't believe this went past the moderators. How about gender? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 10 Anzeichen, woran Sie bemerken, dass Ihre Lebensmittel nicht mehr geniessbar sind: 7. Der Schnittlauch auf dem Butterbrot blueht. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/59 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Contact icon colors
Hello Thomas, To put it bluntly - S*x! TF I can't believe this went past the moderators. TF How about gender? ;-) What's *really* funny, is that the original Sex made it through, but with S*x it ended up being tagged as junk by my Bayesian plugin. -- Brigitte Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Contact icon colors
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 10:11:56 AM, you wrote: To put it bluntly - S*x! TF I can't believe this went past the moderators. TF How about gender? ;-) What's even more funny is that it was a moderator who made the comment to begin with! grin Nah... Sex is still accepted as a term to describe gender, and the the grammatical sense that it was used was sufficient to show that it meant gender. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Contact icon colors
At 12:45 PM on 2/11/2004, Leif Gregory typed ... To put it bluntly - S*x! TF I can't believe this went past the moderators. TF How about gender? ;-) L What's even more funny is that it was a moderator who made the comment L to begin with! grin L Nah... Sex is still accepted as a term to describe gender, and the the L grammatical sense that it was used was sufficient to show that it L meant gender. Sex is more than the appropriate term. Gender is more of a reference to grammatical forms and sexual *identity*, not just sex. Because sex seems to be a dirty word, we refer to gender when we mean sex. I suspect that this has little to do with TB and I have thus erected my Maginot Trout Shield Defense System. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 2/11/2004 at 12:47 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: I always wanted to be a procrastinator, but I never got around to it. If not for these words, this line would be blank. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 12:15:59 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW It's not normal behaviour for OE, or for Eudora, or, I think, DW Pegasus...of course there are other things which are normal behaviour DW in those apps (such as defaulting to html, running viruses DW automatically, in OE, using up huge amounts of system resources in DW Eudora...) which I'm very glad I don't see in TB. It certainly is in OE and full Outlook 2000/2002. I just tested it. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Deborah W wrote: WH Because this should be unnecessary. What I describe is normal WH behavior in every other mail application I have used. It's not normal behaviour for OE, or for Eudora, or, I think, Pegasus...of course there are other things which are normal behaviour in those apps (such as defaulting to html, running viruses automatically, in OE, using up huge amounts of system resources in Eudora...) which I'm very glad I don't see in TB. Are you sure you guys are talking about the same behavior? A lot of this discussion has been about views and moving around messages, but IIRC, the original point was simply: return to the last message I was looking at. And I do believe this is pretty normal behavior for e-mail clients. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Contact icon colors
Hello Bill, On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:50:46 -0500 GMT (12/02/2004, 00:50 +0700 GMT), Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: I suspect that this has little to do with TB and I have thus erected my Maginot Trout Shield Defense System. Nice one. Where can I download it? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/59 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 5:52:32 PM, Wayne Howard wrote: WH It certainly is in OE and full Outlook 2000/2002. I just tested WH it. In OE, when you leave a folder, it doesn't remember the message you last viewed. And you can't purge/compress folders in OE, afaik. So not really comparing apples with apples iyswim. -- Deborah In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.
Dirigo wrote: Does anyone recall if we can specify a specific temporary location, other than C:\WINDOWS\TEMP, for the initial download processing of messages? Chris' explanation was thorough (although not really answering your question, which was to move TB temp files to a TB temp folder). What you are talking about is an OS issue, not a Bat issue. So, to do exactly what you were asking, it's not possible unless you want D:\BatTemp as the Temp folder for all programs you use (and I don't think that's what you want). FWIW, I usually move my system temp folder over to D: so I am doing what Chris recommends. But this affects all programs and not just TB. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.
kg ken green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kg Chris' explanation was thorough (although not really answering your kg question, which was to move TB temp files to a TB temp folder). kg What you are talking about is an OS issue, not a Bat issue. So, to do kg exactly what you were asking, it's not possible unless you want kg D:\BatTemp as the Temp folder for all programs you use (and I don't kg think that's what you want). Yes, I recognize it is not a Bat issue. Also, while reading Chris's suggestions I recognized that it would become a Temp folder for all programs. While I would love to be able to just have a Bat only temp folder, alas, it is not to be. kg FWIW, I usually move my system temp folder over to D: so I am doing what kg Chris recommends. But this affects all programs and not just TB. I can live with this. Thanks, Ken, for your additional comments to make sure I understood what the implications of following Chris' suggestions. Like you, I can live with it! Thanks again, as I really like this list of very helpful people. Now, let's hope I added the signature block properly (the -- cr)in the reply template. I don't want to be booted!! ;)) Testing ... Testing Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello ken, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 1:01:45 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): kg Are you sure you guys are talking about the same behavior? A lot of kg this discussion has been about views and moving around messages, but kg IIRC, the original point was simply: return to the last message I was kg looking at. kg And I do believe this is pretty normal behavior for e-mail clients. At least that's what I'm talking about and I started the thread. To be fair, it took two corrections of my original message before I said it right, though. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Deborah, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 1:04:51 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): DW In OE, when you leave a folder, it doesn't remember the message you DW last viewed. And you can't purge/compress folders in OE, afaik. So not DW really comparing apples with apples iyswim. You're still not getting it. I'm looking to have my inbox (and other folders) open to the new, previously unseen messages, starting with the oldest of these - while keeping the remaining messages in view. I'm not trying to purge or compress anything. This is normal behavior for every other mail reader I've seen. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Contact icon colors
To put it bluntly - S*x! I can't believe this went past the moderators. What's even more funny is that it was a moderator who made the comment to begin with! grin Nah... Sex is still accepted as a term to describe gender, and the the grammatical sense that it was used was sufficient to show that it meant gender. What? Did someone have a problem with sex as a word? I was rebuilding my PC and missed a bunch of posts. That non-event thing with Janet Jackson must have REALLY bothered them! -- Rich Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.
Dirigo wrote: Thanks again, as I really like this list of very helpful people. Now, let's hope I added the signature block properly (the -- cr)in the reply template. I don't want to be booted!! ;)) Testing ... Testing This list is very helpful. I honestly don't think The Bat would survive without it (only because the program itself is so complex and full of features, that without some guidance - this list - new users would never begin to appreciate it). I didn't see a signature at all on your last post. The format is: two dashes + space + new line Anything you put after that will be cut off by the Bat when someone replies. I don't think you'd get booted for formatting mistakes. Publicly chastised perhaps, but not booted ;) Actually, the moderator's methods for enforcing list rules are the best I've seen (quick and direct, but not arrogant or mean-spirited). -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.
kg ken green wrote: kg This list is very helpful. I honestly don't think The Bat would survive kg without it (only because the program itself is so complex and full of kg features, that without some guidance - this list - new users would never kg begin to appreciate it). I agree wholeheartedly. I find new things all the time and I know there's more yet to be discovered. If something doesn't seem to do what I want, I usually find a work-around or live without it as I really do like the product. But what makes it relatively easy for me is this list. I read almost every message and think about what is being asked and answered. Now, I don't necessarily understand all of it, but ... give me time ... I'll certainly try. I've read quite a few of the archive messages as well. It a good archive setup too. But I sometimes get frustrated because I don't necessarily come up with a good search argument and get nada, but I know, in my heart, there's something in that archive that might help me! kg I didn't see a signature at all on your last post. The format is: kg two dashes + space + new line Thanks ... sheepish grin here ;)) I had updated the message template, but not the reply template as of that sending. Hopefully, this go around you will see it. kg Anything you put after that will be cut off by the Bat when someone kg replies. Imderstand. kg I don't think you'd get booted for formatting mistakes. Publicly kg chastised perhaps, but not booted ;) kg Actually, the moderator's methods for enforcing list rules are the best kg I've seen (quick and direct, but not arrogant or mean-spirited). Again, I agree with you here. I've seen their friendly reminder messages and thought, while reading it, they were courteous, very thorough in their explanation. They're a classy bunch IMHO. Again, thanks. -- Dirigo Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Wayne Howard, [WH] wrote: WH The more I think about it, this should be a bug not a feature WH request. This is the only mail application that I have ever seen WH behave this way. I'm shocked that most people don't find it WH annoying, especially those who are using TB to read mail lists. :) I don't have a problem with the behaviour. I'm more particular with being placed in the folder where I left it. For example, I was reading this thread over again to make a comment with perspective on the discussion to date, but a new message appeared in my Inbox. I selected the Inbox to look at the new message to see if it was important and did so with full knowledge that when I returned to the TBUDL folder, that I'd be taken to the last message I was looking at, and NOT, the one next to or to the oldest unread messages in the folder. It's easy to find new messages. It's difficult to find an already read message among thousands, though, mind you there are keystrokes to help with that. Of course, what tends to disrupt TB! remembering which message you were last reading in each folder is when you do some sort of maintenance operation on the message base. This is why I avoid doing that unless it's really warranted. Even if I wanted what you wanted, it would be frustrating in a threaded environment since it's not easy to look at new messages when they're scattered among threads, many of which are collapsed. So, in conclusion, the behaviour you wish for is one that would actually upset me. g But, of course, I have no problem with the behaviour you prefer being introduced as an option so everyone can be happy. To each their own. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 RC/1 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Passworrd Change
Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 8:32:13 AM, you wrote: L Thanks, came through fine, got the right account.cfg, it L found the new password, but apparently the old one is L still floating around somewhere. I can't figure out what L password I used to set it up, either. Chemo brain :-( MP How many accounts do you have how many account.cfgs MP do you have? Did you do a search (find file) for MP account.cfg on your HD(s)? Normally there should be MP one in the \mail directory as well as one in each of MP it's subdirectories. Yes .. one for each account .. there are 4 accounts active. MP I suppose an account.cfg in your path would not influence The Bat!, MP though... So far as I know, that one has always been there. It's not bothering the other account. L I think I'm going to have to do a reinstall, and I hope L when I do it without 'account properties', it loses that L old password. MP Would it help if you would - archive the account.* MP files first (so you still have them and are able to MP restore them) - then delete them one at a time to see MP if the problem disappears? I actually did delete and rebuild the account.cfg for that account; twice, I think ... MP There must be people who know more about this than I do... If there are, they are being suspiciously silent :-) I appreciate the ideas. I'm stumped .. I don't *really* want to do a reinstall, if I can avoid it ... Lynn TheBat 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000Service Pack 2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://home.comcast.net/~Hhawthorn/index.html Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 5:25:45 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): I was surprised that you hadn't chimed in on this one before now. :) You always seem to have a good perspective on things such as this. AM Even if I wanted what you wanted, it would be frustrating in a AM threaded AM environment since it's not easy to look at new messages when AM they're AM scattered among threads, many of which are collapsed. I think that has a lot to do with it, I rarely read in thread mode. AM So, in conclusion, the behaviour you wish for is one that would AM actually AM upset me. g AM But, of course, I have no problem with the behaviour you prefer AM being AM introduced as an option so everyone can be happy. To each their AM own. That's what I was hoping for myself. After thinking about it some more, it's mainly the Inbox which bothers me - much more than any of the folders. Here, I really think that I have something set wrong (or it is broken). Although I have it set to sort on Received time and put newer messages at the bottom, it rarely goes there when I start The Bat! after shutting down. I don't think it used to behave this way. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Wayne Howard, [WH] wrote: WH That's what I was hoping for myself. After thinking about it some WH more, it's mainly the Inbox which bothers me - much more than any of WH the folders. Here, I really think that I have something set wrong (or WH it is broken). Although I have it set to sort on Received time and put WH newer messages at the bottom, it rarely goes there when I start The WH Bat! after shutting down. I don't think it used to behave this way. Turn off auto-compression of all folders and do a weekly cleanup/maintenance operation. You should be fine that way in that TB! should remember your last position within folders between restarts. I'd regularly decompress the Inbox only if I'm receiving thousands of messages per day. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 RC/1 on WinXP Pro (SP1) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Allie Martin wrote: Of course, what tends to disrupt TB! remembering which message you were last reading in each folder is when you do some sort of maintenance operation on the message base. This is why I avoid doing that unless it's really warranted. Allie, I agree with you in that (for me) the most important behavior is returning to the last message selected/viewed. I supposed I can understand why a compress/purge would break the pointer to the last viewed message since that operation is acting on the message base. What I don't like is having a filter break the pointer. If I invoke a filter that ends up hiding the last selected message, then remove the filter, why should focus jump to the top? Nothing is being written to the message base, right? Note that I am not selecting any message after applying the filter (otherwise *that* would be the selected message). This most often happens when I want to search a folder for posts from a particular person and then move to another folder without removing the filter. Suddenly, the folder I've just moved to has invoked that filter but I don't want it. Removing the filter (no other action taken on messages in this folder) put me at the top of the message list. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 7:08:09 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): AM Turn off auto-compression of all folders and do a weekly AM cleanup/maintenance operation. You should be fine that way in that TB! AM should remember your last position within folders between restarts. I bet that's it! I have Compress on Exit is on for my Inbox. I don't recall turning that on. Is it on by default? Allie, I just knew chatting with you about this would lead to an answer! Thanks! Between getting this resolved and the Scroll Wheel issue being fixed last week, I'm happy as a clam! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Allie, On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 19:08:09[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was 08:08 where I live) Allie wrote: Allie I'd regularly decompress the Inbox only if I'm receiving thousands of Allie messages per day. As a matter of fact, I do receive thousands of news msgs per day with MyGate. -- Best regards, Bobi Jam TB! 2.03 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hello Wayne, On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 8:04:15 PM, you wrote re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s): WH I bet that's it! I have Compress on Exit is on for my Inbox. I don't WH recall turning that on. Is it on by default? Allie, I just knew WH chatting with you about this would lead to an answer! Thanks! This indeed fixed the problem I was having. A big thank you to everyone else who helped me think about this with your numerous suggestions. I learned a lot about The Bat! just from this discussion alone. I must admit that I am still perplexed why applying a filter would reset a pointer (let alone compacting). There are many databases I have used where filtering and compacting have no effect on pointers. This is a really great mail list group! The Bat! would simply not be the application it is without it. It makes me mad to see the poor review in PC Magazine in the U.S. Surely they did not take a very long look at the applications they were reviewing. I don't think I will renew my subscription. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.03 RC/1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sort/Scroll to the last received message(s)
Hallo Wayne, On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:30:54 -0500GMT (11-2-04, 20:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DW In OE, when you leave a folder, it doesn't remember the message you DW last viewed. And you can't purge/compress folders in OE, afaik. So not DW really comparing apples with apples iyswim. WH You're still not getting it. I'm looking to have my inbox (and other WH folders) open to the new, previously unseen messages, starting with WH the oldest of these - while keeping the remaining messages in view. Well, TB goes to the last read message, that's not so uncommon. I've used several mail readers that had that behaviour. WH I'm not trying to purge or compress anything. As long as you don't compress (not sure about purging) TB remembers the message you left in the folder. As soon as you're starting to compress, TB wil rebuild the index and unfortunately forgets where you were left. WH This is normal behavior for every other mail reader I've seen. That proofs that you haven't seen them all. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
