Re: When messages are registered as being replied to.
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:13:21 +0300, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote: > Hello, The Bat Users! AM>> Actually, if the folder contains only messages saved as draft, a AM>> little pencil or pen (too small to tell which it is) appears AM>> superimposed over the folder which itself maintains it's yellow AM>> color. This is different from the bright green color that the AM>> folder gets when messages are queued to be sent. > As a matter of fact, it is a small sand-glass :) :) It depends on if you are using the high color glyphs as opposed to the 256 color ones. I use the 256 color glyphs. I should've clarified this. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Air-conditioned environment - do NOT open Windows. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: I`m getting annoyed...
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:31:27 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [] > The single cheapest and easiest way to speed up a machine is to put > more RAM into it. MBs these days can take up .7-1Gb of RAM. So why > is 32Mb-64Mb "standard"? ;) When I said standard, I mean that a basic, standard, prebuilt machine comes preloaded with 64MB of memory and win98. That's all. :) >> To minimize fragmenting in the system partition, in my last win98 days, I >> had moved all temp files and confined V Swapping to one partition and then >> defragged that partition regularly. This and 64MB of RAM at the time reduced >> crashes to a bearable minimum. :) > Try 128Mb and no swapping. I have crashed from other areas, but that is > most likely from my sound card being an original AWE-32 with two 256kb SIMMs > that I bought new just for that card. ;) I have been using 128MB of RAM for nearly four years, so I have been unto your little secret for a long time. :) It's also time to upgrade, since VMWare Linux is stressing the system. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Best file compression around: "DEL *.*" - 100% compression. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: OT: Tweaking our PC {Was :Re: I`m getting annoyed...}
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:02:55 +0700, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: [] > According to Wintune, to have better "memory management", we can set > our PC as "Network Server" (or something like that) instead of > "Desktop/Stand Alone". Yes, that's right. I had used that setting as well. It's been such a long time since really using win98. My wife has win98 installed on her machine but I don't really do much with it personally. It's yet to crash after 4 months. Hmmm. :)) > In regard to amount of RAM, IMHO depending also the chipset of our > Motherboard. For TX, VX chipset, 64 MB is the best, more than that > tend the system going slow, because the Cache RAM not support more > than 64 MB; that's why for server always use HX or BX chipset. AFAIK, the system doesn't get slower per se when you exceed the 64MB limit with cacheable RAM using the TX and VX chipsets. It's just that the performance increase with adding more RAM is not as good as with chipsets that allow caching of RAM above 64MB. When I had upgraded from 64MB to 128MB of RAM on my previous motherboard which used a VX chipset, their was definite performance increases. AM>> To minimize fragmenting in the system partition, in my last win98 AM>> days, I had moved all temp files and confined V Swapping to one AM>> partition and then defragged that partition regularly. This and AM>> 64MB of RAM at the time reduced crashes to a bearable minimum. :) > Oops I don't know if Win98 can set the swap in other disk as NT did. I did this with win95 OSR2. I went into the system properties, hit the performance tab and then hit the 'virtual memory' button. You will then see that in the virtual memory settings applet there is a choice to let you specify your own virtual memory settings. You may then tell how much swap space may be used on each partition. I turned down all partitions to zero except one which I had set to a comfortable figure. I see that in win98 these settings are still very much present. :) Of course I'd advise that you do this at your own risk and if things go wrong, reboot to safe mode and reverse the changes. If you are more adventurous fiddle until a workable setting is achieved. I don't know how win98 is in this regard. I never tried it. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Reformat Hard Drive! Are you SURE (Y/Y)? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: I`m getting annoyed...
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:48:42 +0700, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: [] > From the fact above, you can see > 1. if our Harddisk Space performance OK, it will help performance of >our Windows. > 2. if we always keep our HDD "healthy" (by defragment regularly >etc), we will minimize probability of file error because of "hdd >cluster link error". > 3. if we can have good Virtual Memory Management, we can run more >application concurrently, without crash or file corrupt. Win9x seems to crash more often when having to use a lot of virtual memory and hence do a lot of swapping. A major step towards reasonable windows stability and reliability is to add more RAM. I've personally noted that win98 systems in my neighborhood are a lot more stable than before and this is most likely because the machines today come with at least 32MB of memory. In fact 64MB seems to be the standard. On top of that win98 is inherently more stable than it's predecessors. To minimize fragmenting in the system partition, in my last win98 days, I had moved all temp files and confined V Swapping to one partition and then defragged that partition regularly. This and 64MB of RAM at the time reduced crashes to a bearable minimum. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ I do this kind of stuff to him all through the picture. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: German help file (was: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?)
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:47:37 +0100, Michael Heydekamp wrote: [] > Now to the next formatting issue: What exactly does "Auto-format" (same > preference section as "justify on wrap") do? This is one beast that may very well infuriate you more than anything else. :) My secret is to keep it disabled by default, get really acquainted with the toggle switch Shift+Ctrl+F, and enable it when I need it. You may notice that if you type some text, it gets wrapped at your defined right margin limit. Now, if you start inserting text within one of these wrapped lines, everything begins getting messed up and the wrapping is all helter-skelter. The autoformat feature prevents this, which sounds wonderful. Unfortunately you have to play by some rules and work within certain constraints with it enabled. It's these rules and constraints that make you either not use it or get acquainted with the toggle switch. a) It is impossible to type this with autoformat enabled. You have to just try it to see what I'm talking about. Hard returns made before the predefined line limit are all ignored. b) Your paragraphs need to be separated by a blank line or else the autoformat feature will format your paragraphs into one big paragraph. This is done without regard for previously formatted text which may be just below where you are typing and this includes quoted material. Alt+L works in a similar fashion but at least it works only when you hit it so you usually make sure things are in order before using it. Just to illustrate this point, enable the autoformat feature and place the cursor just above a paragraph of quoted text, or any paragraph for that matter. At the first keystroke, the paragraph gets reformatted to include the text which you are typing! You therefore have to ensure that a blank line is above and below where you are typing to prevent this very disconcerting effect. :) Hey Tracer!!! I see that you cannot use Alt+L or autoformat because you don't separate your personal text from the quotes by a blank line. If you hit alt+l serious effects would occur. :))) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: When messages are registered as being replied to.
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:49:28 +0700, tracer wrote: [] > Please fix, as I got caught a few times as having produced an answer > and saved it and then forgot about it. > Even better, I like saved msgs to sit in a SAVED folder from where > they get moved to the outbox when they get send etc. > Then one can SEE there is something still sitting to be send Actually, if the folder contains only messages saved as draft, a little pencil or pen (too small to tell which it is) appears superimposed over the folder which itself maintains it's yellow color. This is different from the bright green color that the folder gets when messages are queued to be sent. If you have both messages saved as draft and messages queued to be sent in the folder, the folder will appear bright green with the pen *also* superimposed over it. The problem is that the superimposed pen isn't clearly seen and often missed. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Worry : The interest paid on trouble before it's due ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: German help file (was: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?)
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:44:26 +0700, tracer wrote: [] > I think the whole template setup and interaction/difference between > the different ones could use a total rewrite. Agreed. :) How they are prioritized with respect to each other is something that is discovered. :( -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
When messages are registered as being replied to.
Hi all, I have come to realize that messages are registered as being replied to when the message is autosaved. That's of course if you have the message autosave feature on. I would expect that messages should be registered as being replied to upon either sending the message or queuing the message to be sent. What happens is that the message reply filter is applied prematurely and it is possible for messages to be flagged as replied when you in fact have not replied to them. This happens when you start a reply and discard it after the first autosave. I don't know about others but I tend to do this quite a bit. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Unix: When you can't afford the very best. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Replies Showing as Numbers ?
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:17:19 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: > Where exactly in the Reply Template do you put the %SINGLERE macro to > disable the "Re[n]:" behaviour? Would it be the first entry, because I > don't see a heading anywhere such as "Subject"? It's best to place macros like %SINGLERE at the end of the template although it will take effect no matter where in the template you place it. The reason for this is that if you place %SINGLERE in it's own line at the beginning of the template, that line will register and be seen as a blank line when the template generates it's output. Other examples of macros best placed at the end are those that change the message header info such as To:, CC:, Subject: and others such as %CLEAR and %ISIGNATURE which are useful in quick templates. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: German help file (was: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?)
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:45:35 +0100, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
> Sounds good. Probably you can then also correct the misleading
> translation in Editor/Preferences "Umbruch anzeigen" for "Justify on
> wrap".
I can understand the difficulty with translating the word 'Justify'
when used in this context.
> Please don't ask me how "Justify on wrap" should be translated, this
> wording doesn't make much sense to me anyway ("justify" means
> "rechtfertigen"). I don't even know what this setting should
> achieve, I can only remember that I turned it off as it was causing
> headaches. The only thing I know is that "Umbruch anzeigen" would be
> "Display wrap" or "Show wrap".
> Probably someone can explain what this setting does/should do?
I can only illustrate what this setting achieves. Look at this very
message and you will quickly appreciate that all text lines have the
same character numbers and hence ends exactly at the same point.
Personally, I think justification is more impressive and appealing
when done using variable width fonts so I don't use it much.
> The cute thing is that there is no help at all if you press F1 in
> "Editor/Preferences".
That method of invoking help in Windows is far from being consistent,
to the point where I don't even try it. The only consistent way is
through the help menu or help button seen on applets. Unfortunately
the editor's preferences applet doesn't have it's own help button.
> BTW: if you need someone for proof reading please ask. I can't
> guarantee that I will have the time, but next year should be a lot
> better than this year. I noticed some major flaws in the help file
> as well as some omissions.
My main problem with the help file is that it doesn't explain things
enough. It gives you a hint and then you have to go figure the rest
out. Mr. Farance said that he couldn't find where to configure new
message templates. I cant say that I see this explicitly mentioned in
the help file under 'new message templates' or 'templates' or
'macros'. Especially how to find the new message template applet in
the folder settings and where to find the new message template applet
in the address book.
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Re: For Frank Farance especially:-)
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:14:36 +0700, tracer wrote: [] Ali>> Ok, he unsubscribed. Are we going to stop picking at his remains or Ali>> what? :) > I would love to see a program he wrote (g) > Anyway for YOU the above phrase is a bit funny Yeah, I know; but haven't you detected a change lately? : I've stopped feeding on TBUDL dead horses and am strictly into fresh meat. :))) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Don't steal. The government hates competition. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: For Frank Farance especially:-)
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 05:46:25 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: [] > They clearly do. If you don't understand this simple fact, I'm > terribly pity about you:-) Ok, he unsubscribed. Are we going to stop picking at his remains or what? :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Science Fiction. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Holiday Greetings
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:35:42 -0600, Nick Danger wrote: A>> Just wishing you a Merry Christmas and all the Best for the Upcoming A>> Year!! > ...and a very merry one right back at you sir! It's always a pleasure > reading your questions and comments on the TB! user lists. Although > I'm starting to get worried about myself as I'm actually beginning to > enjoy good ol' Steve's posts too! Am I just getting desensitized? Oops. I already know how my private message reached the list but anyway, it could have been worse. :)) Thanks for the kind words Nick. And with respect to Steve, he has negatives and plus's as all of us do, but his plus' outweigh the negatives by a long shot. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ EMAIL - when it absolutely positively has to get lost at the speed of light. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Other windows crashes
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:31:05 +0100, Roel wrote: [] > does anybody know an editor that works like TB's editor? > (it would be a real surplus if it would also support > syntax-highlighting) That would be WinEdt. Take a look at www.winedt.com Another is Textpad. Take a look at www.textpad.com > thanks already & a merry christmas :-) A merry christmas to you too and all. :))) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ How many weeks are there in a light year? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:10:51 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [reasons for not using folder view snipped...] > so basically: a matter of taste. Yes, it is. I used to find the folder view awkward but now that I've gotten used to it and I can't go back to the preview window. That sense of relief that I should feel if I thought it was the better way for me is just not there and I end up going back to folder view. :) AM>> Messages aren't registered as read when I don't want them to be. > As I need to read all messages, and all of them right away (except > TBUDL ), they will be read when I focus on them in the message > list. However, I would appreciate a "seen" flag as discussed earlier, > for those that will have to be ansered but not right away. Currently I > always click on "reply", but the resume reading other messages. Later > I look what reply editor windows are open. Personally, I've created a 'reply' folder and place in it, messages that I intend to reply to but not immediately. I then set up reply filters using the incoming filters by copying them over and changing the source folder. When I reply to the message, it's filtered back to it's appropriate folder. If version 2 supports message color coding or provides other labeling methods then I can do away with this reply folder thing. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "Keyboard? How quaint!" - Scotty ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Windows crashes
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:56:29 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: [] > The idea was to fix the registry as a whole. To do that: > 1. Reboot to DOS prompt > 2. type in "regedit" (w/o quotes) > 3. It will tell you it's commandline syntax. > 4. Export your registry to a file > 5. *recreate* (NOT import) your registry from that previously > made file. How exactly do you do this recreation? > 6. Reboot back. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ IBM: Intimidation By Marketing ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Filters for outgoing messages?
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:39:59 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote: AM>> I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. > It does work. I fell for some nasty translation error... There's a > check box beneath that edit field saying "Run hidden". I usually use > The Bat! with german language and in german it says "Erzeuge > getrennten Prozess", which means "Create separate process". Of course > I checked that one... seemed to be a good idea. And here lies a perhaps underestimated reason for why things do not work for many. :))) I'm glad you sorted things out. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Know God...know peace. No God...no peace. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:46:37 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote: [] > Moving to the _next_ unread message has no shortcut apparently. Ctrl+] should do that for you. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:54:55 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 at 00:12:40 [GMT +0500] Denis V. Petelin wrote: > ^^^ > You don't accept Y2K _this_ end of December? Sorting messages by received time, to the rescue. : -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Machine-independent: Does not run on any existing machine. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Filters for outgoing messages?
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:08:25 +0100, Roel wrote: > just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-) I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Software Independent: Won't work with ANY software. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Filters for outgoing messages?
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:00:27 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote: > I tried to establish a filter for outgoing messages... it should run > an external program before sending the message. So I created a new > filter for "Outgoing mail", entered my own mail address together with > "Sender" as a filtering string and on the page Actions checked "Run > external program". Then I put "\explorer.exe" in the edit > field. I sent a load of messages to myself without explorer starting > even once. Does anyone know where I'm wrong? I just tried it but I simply plugged explorer.exe in the edit field. It worked. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ ...put knot yore trust inn spel chequers. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:01:06 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [] > I don't use them in general. I find that the space that it takes up on > the display causes problems with me elsewhere as everything doesn't line up > quite right. Currently with TB! I have the folder view to the left go all the > way down the length of the window. The right has the message index which also > goes all the way down the window. I thought I'd insert my $0.02 here since I, like Steve, am one of the ^ Please note the comma. ROTFL. It's amazing how a single punctuation mark can change the meaning completely. : few who doesn't use the message preview/auto-view window. I have a setup identical to Steve's and do prefer not using the preview window for a couple reasons he sited, namely that it reduces having to scroll through the message list since more of it is visible. I am also able to display more of each message body at a time since my folder view window is longer than my TB window, taking up almost the whole length of the screen. I may also use a larger font size for comfort. Two additional points though: The first is that the folder view window has more navigational shortcuts and toolbar buttons available such as Ctrl+up/down and Shift+Ctrl+up/down. These shortcuts do not work when navigating the main windows message list. The other thing is that when reading messages, especially with the space bar or the arrow keys for that matter, I have to be fighting with unexpected focus changes from the preview window to the message list. Take for example: I index my messages in descending order so that I may read them using the spacebar alone. I just jump from message to message. If I start reading a message in the preview window, paging down with the space bar, I start doing this with the focus on the preview window. If I wish to go back up by a page, I simply hit the page-up key. No problem. I now spacebar my way into the next message and suddenly the focus goes to the message list, very often without my realizing this. I wish to go back a page, so I hit the page-up key and Shucks!, suddenly I am previewing a message one page up the message listing! To avoid this I have to tab the preview window back into focus. Why the focus changes when moving from one message to the next? I don't see why this has to be so but clearly can see why it shouldn't be. When reading with the folder view window, there is no focus to change, unless you have the message list for the folder view window open, which I don't. :) Everything therefore works a lot more smoothly and predictably (maybe consistently is a better word), I don't inadvertently jump to other messages while trying to read one message. Messages aren't registered as read when I don't want them to be. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ All computers wait at the same speed. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:43:01 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: [] > (posted previously by Alexander V. Kisilev) > For if you _absolutely_ need variable- width font ..., you > can go and manually edit your registry, in particular, these > sections of it: > HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font > HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text > If you manually edit there the name of the font to be used, > The Bat! will obey... But be advised, that if, for example, > you write there "Arial", you'll hardly manage to read > anything:-) BTW, not all monospaced fonts that are installed will be registered in windows as monospaced. One nice font comes to mind and I'm using it now as we speak. It's OCR A Extended. Although I have it installed, it doesn't appear in the font list for TB!. The registry hack is what I used and the font works perfectly of course. Another thing, in my experience here with NT, the second key doesn't have to be interfered with to make the change, i.e., HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text I would assume that the same applies to Win9x. I've been trying to find what that second rich text key works but can't find where it actually makes a change. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A single fact can spoil a good argument. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:33:57 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: MDP>> HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font MDP>> HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text > Before I mess up my registry: I understand the first one is the font > the editor uses; what's the second for ? I thought TB does not support > Rich Text? You don't have to worry that anything you do with registry keys for the bat will render your system unbootable. It's always best to export the key that you plan to fiddle with before doing so. Simply double clicking on the export .reg file will bring things back to their former state. If you actually manage to open a registry editor then you're almost there. : If you manage to change the setting then you may change it back to what it was before in two ways. a) Actually going back and manually undoing what you did. b) By saving the registry key. Assuming that you are using regedit.exe: Click on the font key. Go to registry and select 'export registry file'. Name the file giving it a .reg extension. You may now make whatever font changes you wish to make. If you don't like the result of what you did. Double click on the exported file which will then overwrite what you did and bring things back to their former state. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:43:01 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: [] > If you manually edit there the name of the font to be used, The Bat! > will obey... But be advised, that if, for example, you write there > "Arial", you'll hardly manage to read anything:-) TB! offers only monospaced fonts to use because the editor literally will not work with variable width fonts. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "C++" should have been called "D" ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:30:26 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote: [] > My experience is simply that users don't care to be informed. That's > why so many of them use Microsoft software, that doesn't comply to any > standards at all. > So, what I say is just the following: If a user has (in my eyes) the > perfect email client, one that doesn't support variable width fonts, > no rich text, no html, and always breaks lines correctly at 76 chars > (you _might_ argue about that one ;), she will write perfect emails > all the time. > Give the same user Netscape (again, just an example) and three days > later she will have it configured to send mails in 13 1/2 pt Tahoma > red bold to everyone around. All her mails will generally be on one > line only, so quotation is real fun. If you ask why all that, she > doesn't know. She also has no idea what she does might affect anyone > else. I'm particularly against the concept of denying features because ignorant users may abuse them, or excessively facilitating the user the the point where the very facilitants become a hindrance to others. This is pretty much the MS way that we speak so much against. If variable width font support would be useful for many, implement the thing. Just make sure that fixed width font support is maintained. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Subsequent Initiatives. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: privacy
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:57:04 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote: [] > Prologue: > I happily own a cute little program called sr32 (Search&Replace) > |-> you should have something similar to do the job <-| [] > There are probably other programs which will do the job also > sufficiently. I do have a program that could do a similar thing. It's BK ReplaceEM. It have CLI support that would make this possible. I really asked out of curiosity rather than a burning need. :) Thanks for the explanation and your time. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ I'm Not Schizophrenic, And Neither Am I. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: privacy
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:27:58 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [] > He uses an outgoing filter to call an external script which modifies the > headers. Ah. Thanks Steve. I assumed as much but needed the clarification just to be sure I wasn't missing something. He said it so fleetingly without further explanation that I was wondering if there was a simpler way that he knew. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Procrastination Day Has Been Postponed! ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: privacy
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:37:07 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: >> CR> can i suppress the s/n in the field x-mailer? >> >> CR> 'cause i don't want the possibility to identify all my mails! >> >> probably because your S/N is a duplicate. Nice organisation you have >> filled in, as well. > Actually, if he *is* so keen, he'll find the possibility he's after in > the next couple of minutes;-) Everyone seems to be speaking in riddles on this today. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Smiley faces were meant to be annoying. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: privacy
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:45:30 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote: >> So, after all this. Is there a way to suppress the serial number? > Yep! I use the outgoing filter section... it's not such a big problem > :-) Uhm. Is there something I'm missing? >> I asked that some time ago and was told there wasn't. > Wasn't? Really? Yeah who speaks in riddles. Would you be so kind as to expand on your knowledge on this? -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ ...and on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:40:25 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote: [] > That might be some solution to the ever-present problem. But I still > have to see a single email message that looks better in variable-width > font. I have only ever seen that when two people communicating use > exactly the same mail client. Those mails are either not formatted > correctly (meaning lines are at maximum 76 letters in length, as it > says in the netiquette (that user above in point 2: "Huh?!? > Netiwhat?")) or they look awful as suddenly all lines are of very much > different length. What does wrapping at an appropriate character number have to do with fonts that would render the message unreadable? > OK, I already said I don't mind an option to switch to whatever font > someone likes. Personally I've always been a little allergic when > people try to change a perfectly functioning system like email. And > that's what it's all about. When using variable-width fonts in The > Bat! becomes possible, half the messages on this list will be > unreadable, IMHO. I think that with plain text messages you're exaggerating just a bit there. The bulk of e-mail clients tend to slip up in one area and that is with respect to the rewrapping of quoted text. All these clients do support variable width fonts and one may have the incorrect notion that it's the variable width font support that screws things up in this regard. There are clients that do not do this, horrid wrapping of quoted text such as Forte' Agent, Pegasus Mail, and PMMail that do in fact treat quoted text in the right way. I have no problems reading mail from these clients; and the senders, I know for a fact, don't use fixed width fonts. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A library is an arsenal of liberty. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: privacy
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:02:39 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [] >> I don't have a scenario in my way of life that would require me to hide my >> identity when sending a mail to someone. To the contrary. > That is *you*. *You* are not the totality of humanity. How about a > political person in China, for example? So, after all this. Is there a way to suppress the serial number? -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Terribly Nice. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"
all have fixes to the above list ... all discovered in > an hour's worth of use ... what other bugs are waiting?). The Bat! is quite an unorthodox client with respect to many of the user interface features. Many of the orthodox ways are inferior in my opinion to TB!'s way especially with regard to the editor. If you are resistant to trying something that's implemented differently, then TB! is probably not for you. None of what you sited, except for the duplicated attachments naming, are really bugs but features that are different for you. All that you complained is not in the help files, are in fact in the help files as well. :) Be more patient and the rewards will be great. :))) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Who's General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:21:52 -0800, N.J. (Nick) Andriash wrote: [] > What font folder does Gravity use to establish that list of fonts? > Perhaps one could easily add to that list by just installing a new > font from the Windows/Font folder? Gravity supports variable width fonts, hence the larger font list. The available fonts are actually system wide and doesn't vary from app to app. If you use any other app that is confined to use only fixed-width fonts, then the font list will be identical to that for The Bat!'s editor. Just to reinforce what I'm saying, right click the mail ticker and choose font. Look at the nice list of fonts there. The ticker supports variable width fonts as well, that's all. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: SOT: Windows language versions (was: Re[2]: RegExp)
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:57:53 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: > I'm checking the web site and think this is exactly what I need! Thank > you multifold! > > You're sure it works - I mean, no data will be lost? > Absolutely. I've used it myself on many occasions and it hasn't let me down once. There are stories out there, however, and they do warn that you should backup your data. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A living example of Artificial Intelligence. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: RegExp (was:Re[5]: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.)
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:50:19 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [] > OK, so how do I find anything about Regular Expressions in the > helpfile? My 1.38e dates from today. There is a whole section in the v1.38e help file titled 'Regular Expressions.' You simply can't miss it. Updating the thebat.exe executable doesn't update the help file. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Smile... people will wonder what you've been up to. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Message list and folder tree font change
Hi all, Anyone knows how to change the font for the folder tree and message list via the registry. I've been looking for an entry and can't find one. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ The worst thing about censorship is [--CENSORED--]! ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: 1.38 -vs- 1.38e
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:02:05 -0600, Travisimo! wrote: > I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before, but I think I missed > it. Are there any functional differences between 1.38 and 1.38e? On > the web site, it is just a recompiled .exe file. They have different > file sizes, of course, so I wondered if there were any differences? > Which version should I use? I'm not having any problems with 1.38, > but since 1.38e has a smaller file size, it is compiled more > efficiently? The help file for 1.38e is definitely better than that for 1.38, at least where regular expressions are concerned. Apparently there were a few annoying bugs that they fixed as well. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Smiley faces were meant to be annoying. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:24:20 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote: >> Select any message that you have replied to and hit ctrl+backspace. >> Look at the taskbar and try to get rid of the 'searching message' >> button if you see it. > Can't be reproduced here. Works pretty normal Well, it looks like I've entered the realm of having a problem with TB! that seems unique to my system. :) Ah well. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Access denied: nah nah na nah nah! ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dates...
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:09:34 -0700, Keith Russell wrote: [] >> If I accidentally hit another column, + + + gets me >> back in a flash. :) > Actually, I just discovered that there are keyboard shortcuts there, > as well! So "Ctrl+1" does the job That's true. :) > (or, in my case, I have to add a "Ctrl+0", since I want descending > order). Ah yes. I view my message listing in descending order as well so that I can spacebar my way through new messages one after the other. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Who's General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Import - Export
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:02:57 -0600, Travisimo! wrote: [] > Ok, that works for the blank line *after* the original test, but the > blank line is still inserted before the original text. Let me > explain: > Here's the simple template I use: > %TEXT Then do not put the %TEXT macro in it's own line. Put it in the line above. For example: %TO="Everybody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"Hello %TOFName,%TEXT HTH. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Smoking cures weight problems...eventually. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dates...
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:59:46 +0100, Roel wrote: [] TF>> I don't understand how you can sort on a parameter you leave out. Do TF>> you mean you are not sorting them at all, just leave them in the order TF>> they come in? > set the column to display, sort on it, set the column to dissappear > :-) > the messages will be sorted... (but if you accidently click on a > column-heading, you have to make the column reappear etc...) > so if you're as handy as i am, i recommend that you keep the column > you sort on in the picture :) If I accidentally hit another column, + + + gets me back in a flash. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Neurotic: Self-taut person. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dates...
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:57:24 -0600, Travisimo! wrote: [] > I'm definitely in the GMT -0600 Central time zone. Perhaps > my mail goes to a mail server in the EST time zone? I haven't a clue. > Since only certain messages I receive have incorrect dates, I guess I > can only assume it's an error external to my computer. I strongly feel that this is so especially since you've confirmed that your computer is showing the correct time and time zone. [] > But really, thanks Thomas, Roel, and Ali for answering my questions > concerning the date/time and import/export. :-) You're welcome sir. :)) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Any given program, when running, is obsolete. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dates...
On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:48:04 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [] AM>> I sort my messages by the received time though I leave that column out AM>> of my mail listing. > I don't understand how you can sort on a parameter you leave out. Do > you mean you are not sorting them at all, just leave them in the order > they come in? Yes, I don't use the received column at all. I wish to see creation dates, not received dates. Sorting by time received does do a better job for me for TBUDL mail than sorting by creation time. Messages with time stamps reflecting incorrect times on the original senders computer fall appropriately into line. You may sort according to received time using the 'View | Sort by' options even though the received time column is not visible in the message listing. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "Great spirits often meet violent opposition with mediocre minds ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dates...
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:42:15 -0600, Travisimo! wrote: > Ok, I understand that. So I wouldn't want to sort my messages by the > Received date because many messages could have the same stamp if I > download them at once. I sort my messages by the received time though I leave that column out of my mail listing. I find that it works more reliably at listing the messages in the correct order especially for my discussion list mail. This is because of this very time problem that you're talking about. Although you may download many messages at once, you still download them in a particular order which is the order that they end up getting listed. The original time stamp of the messages are unaffected by this process. TF>> What is the time zone of reference for the above times, i.e. in which TF>> time zone are you located? I can't actually check that, because your TF>> header on TBUDL comes from Dutaint/Indonesia. > I am in the Central U.S. time zone, which is 1 hour before Eastern or > 2 hours after Pacific. Is there a place in The Bat that I'm suppose > to enter my time zone? I know I have selected the correct time zone > in Win98. Since I am getting certain messages with the wrong Created > time, could it be that the sender's computer has the wrong time zone > setup? In other words, why would I get a message reply showing a time > earlier than the one I sent (which is impossible, of course). How > does The Bat know how to adjust the time to display it in the Created > column? Maybe the second parties time is not set correctly. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Fraud(n): A telephone number starting with "1-900" ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Import - Export
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:14:03 -0600, Travisimo! wrote: > I've successfully imported my address books and mail from Pegasus and > Eurdora Pro into The Bat. I plan on using The Bat exclusively now, > but if I decide to go back to Pegasus or Eudora at a later, what is > the procedure for moving my mail back to one of those programs? I > know The Bat has the ability to export to .MSG or Unix mailbox files, > but I'm not aware of any "import" feature in either Pegasus Mail or > Eudora Pro. Would I need to use an external mail conversion utility > and where could I find one if so? For pegasus, export the messages from TB! as unix file and then import them. I don't know about Eudora. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ BASEBALL.BAT found, executing STRIKE.ONE ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:39:15 +0700, tracer wrote: > this my response text: > == > %DATEEN > On %SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:...blah,blah,blah. That's correct. I checked it. I don't know what's wrong. :( -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ This is Borg. is futile is inevitable ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: OT: Curses
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:51:50 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [] > > Hope this completes the point that context, not words, are profane. > Nah. Copouts not accepted over this corner. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: SOT: Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:52:52 +0100, Markus Gloede wrote: [] > I'm also a big fan of REGEXPs, yet, why don't we ask the developers to > also fix the %ODATE macro so that it shows the real original message > date as stated in the received message (ie. without translation to > local time)? I've asked on more than one occasion since the days of version 1.33 and they haven't offered a solution, hence my independence. At least The Bat! offers a way out. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A user-friendly computer first requires a friendly user. ] ___ . -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:44:41 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: The %QINCLUDE="QT handle" macro certainly takes a lot of the burden off re-customizing reply templates and signatures, especially if you use the same template or signature over multiple folders. Simply change the template at one central spot which is the quick templates and the change will span multiple folders. :) > Here is a copy of my reply template: > * Start * > %QINCLUDE="replydate" > %PUT="C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Includes\TB Sig.txt" > Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME > %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER >%WINDOWSCSDVERSION > on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. > %COOKIE > %SINGLERE > * END * -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Some nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Toolbar
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:35:32 -0600, Travisimo! wrote: > Is there a way to customize the Main toolbar in v1.38? Specifically, > can we add/delete our own buttons on it and can the icons be > rearranged? No. Toolbar customization is not supported in this version. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ How an engineer writes a program: start by debugging an empty file. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:49:50 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: AM>> I get rid of one of the spaces by including %Cursor on the same AM>> line as %QINCLUDE like this: AM>> %QINCLUDE="QT handle"%CURSOR AM>> %QUOTES > The thread we're on here is about the TZ date routine Alex and your > good self have devised. The point was raised by Stef (above), > suggesting that we could make it into a "custom macro" by using the > %QTINCLUDE macro. In trying this, I have been thwarted in the primary > purpose by this superfluous new line. > If you look at the opening of this message, you see the result of > using two %QTINCLUDEs for (1) the initial REGEXP extract macro and (2) > the pattern expansion macros to create the time stamp. Yes. I see. I haven't been able to get rid of that. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Unburdened by the rigors of coherent thought. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:20:32 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ST>> Well, the easiest way to make user-defined "macros" is to use ST>> Quick templates. In case somebody missed it, there's an option ST>> %QINCLUDE="QT handle". I guess, we should introduce something ST>> shorter like %QT="handle" Anyway, this would do the trick now. > It's good but comes with its' own problems. Every reference to such a > %QINCLUDE macro in a template has the added burden of a forced CR/LF > in the text wherever one is used. I have noticed this with %INCLUDE > macros recently too. They didn't used to do that. I get rid of one of the spaces by including %Cursor on the same line as %QINCLUDE like this: %QINCLUDE="QT handle"%CURSOR %QUOTES > Is this, in fact, a bug? Uhm. Dunno. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys." - Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876 ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Some things about 1.38
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:36:44 +0400, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: [] > Å.T.M! (don't try to understand, it's in russian). Just looked at > Message/Specials and found there: > F4 Reply Quoting selected text > Shift-F4 Reply without quotation > Ctrl-F4 Reply to the Sender > Does anybody now when it all was introduced? It was all introduced with version 1.38. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Hardware: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:53:19 +0200, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: [] > Well, the easiest way to make user-defined "macros" is to use Quick > templates. In case somebody missed it, there's an option %QINCLUDE="QT > handle". I guess, we should introduce something shorter like > %QT="handle" Anyway, this would do the trick now. Great. Thanks. I created a quick template using the user-defined macro and called it 'intro'. The reply template for this group is now quite tidy: --- %QINCLUDE="intro" %CURSOR %QUOTES --- This of course makes it a whole lot easier. > As for version 2, it will be possible to define own macros using > either plug-ins or internal scripts. Interesting. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Ignorance is temporary; Stupidity lasts forever! ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:58:52 +0700, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: [] AM>> As you can see in my greeting, it works nicely. Check the RFC AM>> Headers for your message and see. :) > Wow, it works! even I don't know how it work :-). Alexander thinks it's a piece of cake. :))) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Too Many Taglines. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:48:25 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: [] > BTW, I just glanced through Allie's message and found, that he > had omitted a bit of info... There exists another possibility of > using the suggested regular expression. That is, leave the > %SETPATTREGEXP macro as stated above, then erase the > %REGEXPMATCH; instead, write the following in your template: > %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS" > subpattern0: %SUBPATT="0" > subpattern1: %SUBPATT="1" > subpattern2: %SUBPATT="2" > subpattern3: %SUBPATT="3" > subpattern4: %SUBPATT="4" You don't have to define the subpatterns in the template. Simply replacing %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS" with %REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS" and then using the %SUBPATT as needed will work. > So in your template you are now able to write something like: > On %SUBPATT="2", when it was %SUBPATT="3" on your > local clock -- and you live in timezone GMT%SUBPATT="4" --- > you wrote me: Yes, the template would look like this: %SETPATTREGEXP=""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS" On %SUBPATT="2", when it was %SUBPATT="3" on your local clock -- and you live in timezone GMT%SUBPATT="4" --- you wrote me: > Which would result in the following string inserted into your > message: > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, when it was 10:42:14 on your local clock - > - and you live in timezone GMT+1000 -- you wrote me: > Isn't it cool??? Yes it is. Telling them about what I did seemed to be a first round. I didn't want to lay it all on and furthermore, %REGEXPBLINDMATCH and the %SUBPATT macros are not in the macro list. How did you know about them. I don't even see them mentioned in any of the beta description announcements. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Why is American beer served cold? So you can tell it from urine - David Moulton ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:00:27 +0100, Rob wrote: [] > very nice, thank you !! > there will be a day when i understand what happens in that lng line ... > until then, i'll just use it ;-) > now, how to get rid of that extra space after 'on' ;-) That's easy. :-0 In your template delete the space between 'On' and the macro so that it reads like this: On%SETPATTREGEXP=. etc. instead of : On %SETPATTREGEXP= etc. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:05:46 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 1999, 12:31:50 AM (GMT+0800), Ali Martin wrote:
> [...]
AM>> THE FINAL RESULT:
AM>>
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
AM>> We'll designate that long line of text for clarity.
> Wow. I haven't understood a word , but I can copy and paste this.
> However, this cries for user-definable marcroes (or variables), as
> stated in a recent thread.
Indeed, indeed.
As you can see in my greeting, it works nicely. Check the RFC Headers
for your message and see. :)
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Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.
Hi all,
Some have asked what regular expressions may be used for and I have
found a practical use for it. Alexander helped me with actually
constructing the regular expression and macros while I doodled,
rearranged things, experimented with the output and came up with the
final template entry.
THE HISTORY:
I've noted that the original message dates that are inserted in reply
templates using the %ODATE and %OTIME macros are the RFC headers
message creation date and time corrected to the recipients local time.
The original sender will therefore not see in the reply, the date and
time he sent the message, in his time zone. This can easily create
confusion especially since the GMT isn't inserted to indicate the
'conversion'. The working solution that I've been 'tolerating' is to
place my GMT of -5 in all reply templates. I still wanted to have
the original senders date and time with his/her time zone indicated.
This is the standard and correct way of doing it IMHO.
THE WORKAROUND:
I've noted that the original message date and time is always stated in
it's own line in the RFC headers with the following format:
Date: Day, Date and year, Time (24 hr format), GMT
If I could extract that information using a regexp and place it in my
reply template it would provide a solution for me.
The REGULAR EXPRESSION (brace yourself folks):
(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))
Alex says that it was simple to construct. I guess that's after you
*learn* how to do it. :)
THE TEMPLATE CONSTRUCT:
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"
This tells the template the regexp to use.
"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
These are macros used recursively, instructing that the RFC Headers
should be checked for matches for the set regular expression and the
result inserted where the macro is placed in the template
THE FINAL RESULT:
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
We'll designate that long line of text for clarity.
My reply template for this list now reads:
On , %FROMNAME wrote:
It's a long line of text but the end result is great. It has
worked flawlessly for me so far after checking it with messages from
many senders who use various e-mail clients.
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Re: Shortcut
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:30:37 +0100, Michal Kosinski wrote: [] > Is there a keyboard shortcut for "original text" in editor window? Alt++? ;-b -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Fact is solidified opinion ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: TBUDL Rescan and message printing macros
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:51:22 +0700, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: MH>> 1. Is there a way to retrieve the, say, last 50 messages of this MH>> list? > I've disable the archive Catalog since we have on-line archive at > http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com. It's probably still a good idea to archive your mail since it involves bandwidth and an internet connection to look through the online archives. It's much nicer to search TB! archives as well. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Some days you're a bug, other days a windshield. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:15:36 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: [] >> Paula, it was inhuman to give such a detailed instruction! I >> *never* expected this from _you_! > Who me? What can I say? The devil made me do it. ROTFL!! Hey Alex! ... relax .:) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Virtuoso: A musician with very high morals. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Auto-substitution of template
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:06:31 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: [] >> I would think address book templates override folder templates. Is >> this correct? > Yes. In order of precedence - address book template for the individual; > address book template for a group, folder template. This is what Jack is agonizing over. I hope he gets things going in some predictable way. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Don't be so humble, you're not that great. -Golda Meir ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Auto-substitution of template
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:08:16 -0600, Jack LaRosa wrote: [] > Alas, this didn't work. Not only did I deselect the 'use a specific > template for new messages' option, I even erased the entire address > book 'new message' template for that recipient. It still showed up if > that folder was highlighted and I clicked on some other 'favorite'. But it will. Each favorite has it's own template set. The other favorite you selected most likely has it's own specific templates active. > I know, I know, that's impossible but it happened and I was simply > disgusted to the point I didn't want to fool with it anymore. I > erased the folder templates and settled on using the address book > templates instead. If ya can't beat'um etc, etc. If you understand what's happening, then it won't be so frustrating. You seem to have created templates for a number of your address book recipients and there's a tug-of-war going on when you create messages to these recipients via folders rather than the address book. If you wish to discuss it some more privately, I'm willing to go at it with you. :) > In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates > AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant. Folder templates will work with any message which resides in that folder or any message created with that folder in focus. Address book templates may be made specific to each *entry* in the address book or specific to each designated address groups. Hardly a redundant setup but instead provides increased flexibility. The possibilities are pretty amazing. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ God made machine language; all the rest is the work of man. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Auto-substitution of template
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:08:16 -0600, Jack LaRosa wrote: > Alas, this didn't work. Not only did I deselect the 'use a specific > template for new messages' option, I even erased the entire address > book 'new message' template for that recipient. It still showed up if > that folder was highlighted and I clicked on some other 'favorite'. I > know, I know, that's impossible but it happened and I was simply > disgusted to the point I didn't want to fool with it anymore. I erased > the folder templates and settled on using the address book templates > instead. If ya can't beat'um etc, etc. > In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates > AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant. Folde -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ There's always one more bug. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:51:18 +0200, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: [] AM>> You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own. > Actually, you will :-) In fact, if will be possible to create your > absolutely own functions. Goody, goody. :) That's like a macro creation facility. I've been using 'AIM keys' to do some things like change alt+ up/down to single key functions, CTRL+Up/Down to the U and D, etc, but it operates less than perfectly. I'll welcome this intrinsic customization support. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ FLOPPY DISK: Serious curvature of the spine. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Have you noticed?
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:27:01 -0500, Sashka wrote: CJT>> Have you ever pressed alt+(up/down) arrow while editing mail? Nice CJT>> feature -- I discovered it just a second ago :-) > yeah. cool. nothing happening ;) Those keyboard shortcuts provide a cursor independent scroll function. If all the message text can be seen in the editor window then there's nothing to scroll to and it will not work. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Adhere to Schweinheitsgebot. Don't put anything in your beer that a pig wouldn't eat - David Geary ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Filtering Parked messages
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:15:28 +0800 Thomas Fernandez wrote: > Parked message cannot be deleted, not even automatically during "Kill > Dupes" for consistency (I would think). Well, if I drag and drop a parked message to another folder, a popup message appears asking for a yes or no. Do you want to move parked messages as well? In the spirit of consistency and to help deal with the problem of parked messages being repeatedly copied, during a manual filter operations, from the target folder to the destination folder, one would think that if you run the 'kill dupes' routine, a popup message would appear asking: Do you wish to erase duplicated parked messages as well? :)) Of course, this query should only appear as needed as with the implemented one for moving parked messages, in that, if there are no duplicated parked messages detected then the popup message doesn't appear. > Another thing is a "Kill Dupes" command not only for the active > folder but as a global command (kill dupes in all folders of this > account / in all folders of all accounts in one go). Not a bad idea, > but it should still kill dupes only on a per-folger basis. Agreed. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Falls don't kill people. It's the deceleration trauma. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Filtering Parked messages
tracer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [] Ali>> I realized this when trying to figure out why ten copies of a number Ali>> of parked messages were in a particular folder. I have been applying Ali>> manual filters to a folder containing a few parked messages and Ali>> copies are being sent to the destination folder each time I apply the Ali>> filters. Ali>> This seems to be a bug to me. > Agreed, I found that as well over the last few months. > if its a feature, I donot like it. > Secondly, I want to be able to removed dupes over all my > accounts/boxes in one go That's another thing that makes that problem even more irritating. Duplicate messages that are parked will not be deleted by the 'kill dupes utility. You have to unpark the duplicates and then go. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Filtering Parked messages
Hi all, I've noted something curious. If you apply filters to a folder and a parked message meets the filtering criteria. The parked message is copied to the destination folder and then parked. The original parked message remains in the target folder. If you apply the filter again, the parked message gets copied again and so on. I realized this when trying to figure out why ten copies of a number of parked messages were in a particular folder. I have been applying manual filters to a folder containing a few parked messages and copies are being sent to the destination folder each time I apply the filters. This seems to be a bug to me. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Writer's Rule #2: About those sentence fragments. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Just an interesting problem:-) and a pair of wishlist items.
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [] >> 2. Implement the possibility to define new templates based on >> the existing ones, please! >> Obviously, these user-defined templates need to be system- >> wide and there needs to be some place where their definitions >> are to be stored (and edited by the user), for example, this >> could be a new page in Account Preferences or any other:-) > I don't think I understand this one. You want to be able to modify all > or a selected group of templates at once? If so, we've discussed that > quite a bit in the past, but you seem to be saying something else. I'm not sure either. System wide templates are already implemented in the form of quick templates. He may be referring to having to make the same change to templates in multiple folders. One good example is the %SINGLERE macro. I had to go through and apply it to all my reply templates one by one. I think he's probably saying that one should have the option to make changes to all templates of a particular type. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Variables won't; constants aren't. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [] > Try this. From the messages list in the main window, highlight a > message, press and hold the CTRL key, then press and _hold_ the ENTER > key. I just managed to generate 7 replies to your messages that showed > up in the Outbox before a reply window appeared. The interface flashes > some and the icons disappear from the tool bars while this is going on. > I think I've got the latest version of 1.38 now, too. I don't believe it > happened before this version. I'm interested in whether or not anyone > can get TB to behave this way, as I use an old keyboard and am wondering > if the problem could be related to that. I'm also on the old Win95a. Well, I ended up spamming the list by trying what you asked. It appears that Ctrl+Enter continues executing repeatedly if you hold it down. Ctrl+Enter happens to send messages immediately as well. :( My apologies to all who got those reply message templates. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Shift happpens. - Doppler ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday, December 11, 1999, Ali Martin wrote: >> Can't duplicate the problem here Paula. > Try this. From the messages list in the main window, highlight a > message, press and hold the CTRL key, then press and _hold_ the ENTER > key. I just managed to generate 7 replies to your messages that showed > up in the Outbox before a reply window appeared. The interface flashes > some and the icons disappear from the tool bars while this is going on. > I think I've got the latest version of 1.38 now, too. I don't believe it > happened before this version. I'm interested in whether or not anyone > can get TB to behave this way, as I use an old keyboard and am wondering > if the problem could be related to that. I'm also on the old Win95a. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Reformat Hard Drive! Are you SURE (Y/Y)? ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday, December 11, 1999, Ali Martin wrote: >> Can't duplicate the problem here Paula. > Try this. From the messages list in the main window, highlight a > message, press and hold the CTRL key, then press and _hold_ the ENTER > key. I just managed to generate 7 replies to your messages that showed > up in the Outbox before a reply window appeared. The interface flashes > some and the icons disappear from the tool bars while this is going on. > I think I've got the latest version of 1.38 now, too. I don't believe it > happened before this version. I'm interested in whether or not anyone > can get TB to behave this way, as I use an old keyboard and am wondering > if the problem could be related to that. I'm also on the old Win95a. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ -- is the key to success ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own. > I don't understand. Could you explain? I guess examples will clear this up. I dislike using Ctrl+] to go to the next message so I'll configure the the shortcut so that the is the key used when I get version 2 going. As far as I can see there's no implemented shortcut for invoking the message list columns configuration applet. If this is still the case in version 2, I'll not be able to create a keyboard shortcut to do that. Configuring a shortcut is to assign a different key macro to it. Creating a shortcut is creating a macro for a function yourself. That you shouldn't be able to do AFAIK. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Old age is better than the alternative. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [] > With focus on a message in the messages list of the main window, > press "f", which brings up the Quick Search window. Close the QS > window by clicking on the "X" in corner of window. Press > "Ctrl-Enter". A message window for replying does not open, but a > reply is generated and placed in the OutBox. Can't duplicate the problem here Paula. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ We are upping our standards... so up yours. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!
Vincent - D. Ertner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >>> I understand we can configure our own shortcuts in version 2. AM>> You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own. There is no AM>> keyboard shortcut provided for printing messages via the main window. You AM>> have to use the menu. However, in folder view, the shortcut CTRL+P is AM>> implemented and works. There are a couple other things that makes me prefer AM>> reading my mail via the folder view window rather than the message AM>> auto-view. > But, hey, it can't be a big deal to provide a consistant shortcut > behaviour, thus providing Ctrl+P in main window's auto-view ... or? The purpose of my message was not to imply otherwise. The real purpose was based on my initial statement: "You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own." The shortcut that you want is not yet implemented so you will not be able to configure it as Thomas implied. > BTW: The auto-view is quick and easy - so why should I switch to > another mode? Where are the advantages? You may browse more than one folder's messages at the same time. You may use The Bat! across more than one desktops if you are using an app that provides multiple desktop functionality. The message list navigation shortcuts and toolbar buttons are provided only in the 'View folder' window and are quite convenient. I'm able to see more of the message listing via the main window because message auto-view isn't occupying half the space. Moving from the message list to the folder tree in the main window involves tabbing once instead of twice with the message auto-view window open. Worse if an attachment is in the message presently in view, sometimes you have to press tab three times to get at the folder tree. After all that's said, it's all a matter of personal preference and I'm glad that The Bat! offers the flexibility -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Hit any user to continue. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!
Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: VDE>> since 1.3 I ask it every release again and again: Why is there VDE>> no shortcut for printing in the main view? I hate to go through VDE>> the menu every time I want to print a message ... anyone else? > I understand we can configure our own shortcuts in version 2. You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own. There is no keyboard shortcut provided for printing messages via the main window. You have to use the menu. However, in folder view, the shortcut CTRL+P is implemented and works. There are a couple other things that makes me prefer reading my mail via the folder view window rather than the message auto-view. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "Build a watch in 179 easy steps" by C. Forsberg. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: BUG in auto-format
Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] TF>>> I reported the same some time ago and was told it is a feature, not a TF>>> bug. :-( XF>> Who said its a feature? :( With this *feature* the auto-format is XF>> totally unusable! Almost totally, :))).. and this is why I keep mine switched off by default and then I toggle it on (Shift+Ctrl+F) when I need to. :) It's a feature from the POV that it's not 'unintentional'. The Bat! originally didn't have the autoformat feature and many users were shouting foul that the wrapping was all buggy, when again, the lack of rewrapping reformatted was not 'unintentional'. Alt+L, Alt+J would be the users friend for formatting and they still are my friends. WinEdt, a fine text editor, behaves very much like The Bat!'s editor in many ways. It's autoformatting does the same thing. :( Feature or bug? -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Self-made man: A horrible example of unskilled labor. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Bug in BAT V.1.30
Yuri S. Bosykh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When You create mail folder and drag & drop some messages there - all > OK. > But next start of BAT - You can't see created folders. Hovewer folders > exist, and messages inside too, but folders don't display on the screen. > When You can try to create again the folders with the same name You can > see it. I can't seem to duplicate that. Everything works fine here WRT that. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Get behind early so you have plenty of time to catch up. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Upgrade 1.35 --------> 1.36
Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] H>> ...And your crybaby whiney-assed opinion would be? > To whom was that remark addressed? That seemed to be just a Cookie. It was in the signature. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ I am, therefore I am (I don't draw conclusions). ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Upgrading, backuping/restoring, account folder structure (was: Re: Upgrade 1.35 --------> 1.36)
Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TF>> I have jsut downloaded the third official version of 1.38... > Third? I'm downloading now from: > http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html > And the site says: Download The Bat! 1.38 Release second revision > Am I at the wrong site or is the text behinds the times? I know not of a third revision release of version 1.38. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Upgrading, backuping/restoring, account folder structure (was: Re: Upgrade 1.35 --------> 1.36)
Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I download and installed v. 1.38 (apparently not a beta) yesterday, > Dec. seventh from the ritlabs beta site. Was a revision uploaded on the > eighth or do I have the latest one? They fixed a couple problems between the 7th Dec release and the 8th Dec release. I don't know the specifics though. > In any case, I like it better and it does seem faster. There's an interesting filter feature addition there. You may now tie application of filters to your screensavers activity. Would you have use for that? -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Alexander V. Kiselev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Oh, guys, if only you knew how many times *I* got this a pair > of weeks ago:- For a couple of weeks this MDaemon was > rejecting absolutely all my messages sent to either TBUDL or > TBBETA:-)) It just used to send me the crap of the same sort, > saying that I'm neither a member nor a moderator... Maybe the headers of each message were being checked for the e-mail client being used and censoring imposed on the subscribership. MDeamon says: ABSOLUTELY NO Flying Horse toters allowed. Bwhahahahahaha!!! I guess they came back to their senses. or did they, eh Alex? -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Programming just with goto's is like swatting flies with a sledgehammer. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: OT : HTML privacy risk ??
Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> TB! will only view HTML and nothing more. The reason why TB! will not >> view imbedded images in HTML pages sent, > but it does !! someone sent me an e-mail with a background and pictures and > TheBat shows it all ... as long as the stuff is attached to the message. That's what I meant actually. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The official release of TB version 1.38 is available at: ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ NUMBER CRUNCHING: Jumping on a Computer. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: OT : HTML privacy risk ??
Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i never like HTML in e-mail to start with, but now i'll just disable it ... > just read that the spammers found a new trick ; when you view a message in > HTML they retrieve an 'invisible' picture from a site and put your e-mail > address in a cookie ... > http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/Profiling/19991202_joint_profiling_pressrel.htm > http://www.tiac.net/users/smiths/privacy/cookleak.htm > any idea if TheBat! is also 'leaky' when displaying HTML messages ?? AFAIK, that's only possible if you are viewing HTML mail with a client that can access the internet such as OE or Netscape messenger. TB! will only view HTML and nothing more. The reason why TB! will not view imbedded images in HTML pages sent, is the same reason why spammers will not get us through your mentioned method. See from the latter of the two links you sent: ***= The basic technique is for an HTML message to include a graphics in an HTML Email message that is loaded from a Web server belonging to a banner ad company. This graphics is specified using a standard HTML IMG tag. For example, this IMG tag will fetch a graphics named "SYNC.GIF" from a Web server belonging to MyBannerAds.com (a fictitious company): http://www.mybannerads.com/sync.gif> The tag can appear anywhere on the page, and the graphics file, SYNC.GIF, will be fetched and displayed when the Email address is read. =***== -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Borg? Where? I don't se*(#$#..NO CARRIER ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Shortcut keys & wishlist
Roy Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, I apologise but I have searched through the archive and > can't find the information I'm looking for. I'm currently using Forte > Agent for my email, which gives me everything I need (and more) but is > crippled because it cannot (and never will) support multiple accounts. > The Bat! seems to me to be the best alternative for the 'power user' , > but there are a few things I would wish for before I could feel > comfortable switching I'm a previous user of Forte Agent for e-mail management so I can see with a lot that you have to say. The Bat! is quite different, but is extremely effective, and quite ahead of Agent with respect to useful features for nicely managing mail in an efficient manner. A lot of what I used to do manually in Agent is automated in TB! mainly through the use of templates, superior filtering and folder specific settings support. You just set and forget. > The actions I would use most often are (i.e. 95% of the time) > - Send and receive You can make this a fixed setting through Account | Properties | Transport | 'Combined delivery (Send and Receive)'. or Clicking the arrow beside the 'Get New Mail' toolbar button and selecting the desired option. > - Jump to first unread Ctrl+] > - Skip to next unread Ctrl+] > - Mark all in current folder read and skip to next unread Ctrl+M will mark all messages in the folder read but will not move you to the next unread message in another folder. TB! does not support navigating automatically across folders. > - Keep/Park messages Ctrl+J > Agent allows me to do most of those actions using single key strokes - > e.g. N next unread, S mark all read (and jumps to next unread), K for > keep/park. The bat doesn't seem to have that simplicity - I would love > to be able to hit one key to park a message, and jump to the next > unread marking all in present folder read. The right click and > alt-something combinations are doubling the amount of time it takes to > process mail. I know what you mean. :) However, within the next month or so the first beta's of version 2 of TB will be released and it will support configurable keyboard shortcuts. > Also, is there any way to turn off: > 1. the addition of the reply number to replied messages (e.g. Re [3]) > as it messes up threading in other mailers Add the macro %SINGLERE to your reply templates. Place it at the bottom of the template. Many could, however, do with a global toggle switch for this. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "You are not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Auto-substitution of template
Jack LaRosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mystery #1: > With a folder highlighted, click on the CREATE A NEW MWSSAGE icon. > The editor starts and you will be presented with the template you > created for *that* folder (). The > cursor will be at the beginning of the TO field. Yes. > TAB to CC, BCC, SUBJECT and once more to the main body of the as yet > un-written message. It is at this point that TB! replaces the > _folder_ template text with the _address book_ template text. I assume that you've created a new message template for that recipient through an address book entries properties and selecting the option to use the address book template specifically for new messages to the recipient. If so, then yes, what you described is what will happen. > I discovered this only when I inserted the %TO="" macro at the > bottom of the folder template. Eliminate that macro from the > template and the problem disappears. Using the macro is like selecting the address through the address book, hence, you'll invoke the recipient specific new message template. > Is this a bug? Or more probably, what am I doing wrong? IMHO, it's inconsistent. The To: macro should do things as you describe below. > Mystery #2: > Again with a folder highlighted, click on the DOWN ARROW next to the > CREATE A NEW MESSAGE icon to bring up your *favorites*. Click on any > favorite other than that which belongs to the currently highlighted > folder. The template which appears is the one which exists for the > currently highlighted folder, not the *favorite* folder. Why? Now this is no mystery.:) This will occur if you have setup in your address book, a specific new message template for the recipient address that you chose. What should really happen in your first 'mystery' scenario is that the address book template should be displayed from the very start as it is in the second 'mystery' scenario. :) IMHO, each folder should have a toggle switch to suppress address book specific templates. This should prevent your problem. Otherwise simply go into the addressee's address book entry properties and deselect the 'use a specific template for new messages' option, whenever you wish to use the folder templates and not the address book templates. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Using yesterday's technology to solve today's problems, tomorrow ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: unsubscribe
Alexander V. Kiselev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow! I *really* didn't think our latest discussion with Paula > Ford and Douglas Hinds would result in _this_:-( But why? > I really don't think anybody should leave TB for Pegasus (neither > for anything else, since I personally love Pegasus, too:-))). Again, but why would you say that? Aren't *you* using Pegasus and prefer it to TB!? > Nevertheless, I don't think Ethan gonna love Pegasus: it isn't > intuitive at all, and a person that apparently can't even click on > the "unsub" link attached to every message on this list is likely > to get any kind of problem with the Flying Horse:-)) No personal > offence, please! Who knows what his needs are anyway? Good luck to him. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dragging Messages to Folders
Quin Selman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AM>> I drag and drop multiple messages, with the left mouse button, just fine AM>> over here. >1) I looked a little deeper. ---snip--- >2) I see now that if I press SHIFT + CTL while left-click dragging, >the multiple selection is copied. I don't need to use keyboard and left mouse button combinations to copy multiple messages through drag and drop. I really don't see why you should need to as well. I simply drag and drop with the left mouse button. If multiple messages are selected then all of them are copied using just the left mouse button. If you have multiple messages selected and you click on any with the left mouse button, the others do not get deselected unless you release the mouse button. At least, this is what occurs in Windows NT. :-/ >Is method 1) above specifically for single file drag-copying while >2) is for multiple? I'm used to a single method for both. I use the same method for single and multiple message copying. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "Happiness is a warm puppy", said the anaconda. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Network Problems
tracer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > del C:\Windows\Ska.exe > del C:\Windows\Ska.dll > del C:\Windows\System\WSOCK32.dll > ren C:\Windows\System\WSOCK32.ska C:\Windows\System\WSOCK32.dll This horse has about nine lives. It died many times before. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Detour: The roughest distance between two points. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Happy99/SKA virus/worm fix from moderator was - Re: Network Problems
John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to keep us on our toes, Norton has failed to identify > the Happy99/SKA attachment, even with up to date definitions. > I checked to be sure that the definitions contained the > information and then ran NAV, which scanned right past the > worm. I also updated the definitions on the assumption that > there might be something flaky about the definition. NAV > still missed it. So, we might want to be very cautious > about depending on NAV. My NAV version 4 installation here immediately picked it up on running it. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Hindsight is always 20/20. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Dragging Messages to Folders
Quin Selman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there no way I can drag-copy a multiple selection of messages > from the message list to folders in the folder list? It appears that > TB! only permits one message at a time to be dragged. The selection > highlighting disappears on the remainder of the multiple selection. I drag and drop multiple messages, with the left mouse button, just fine over here. > Another (minor) thing. TB! gives no indication that messages copy-dragged in the > above fashion are in fact being copied. There should be a popup > confirmation that closes itself automatically, in my opinion. When I'm doing the drag and drop operation a tootip appears indicating how many messages are in the folder and how many were selected for dragging. The folders which are involved in the drag and drop operation get their message counts updated real-time, so that should be enough evidence that the copy operation has occurred. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Boring with fonts...
Benoit Darcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How I can install others fonts in The Bat! ie : Arial or Times ? I thought this was a server problem but it's actually a new post. Your question was promptly answered after the first time that you asked it. :) Look at http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg02482.html Is there something you didn't understand? -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Two questions
Januk Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is that in the beta version only? I'm using 1.36 and I don't see it. > Also, couldn't you set up a couple of Quick Templates to change the > from and reply-to, etc. stuff automatically? Then you could probably > get the signature to change correctly too. Uhm, no. I just switched back to version 1.36 and the menu option is still there. Options / Active Account / . > Wednesday, December 01, 1999, 2:46:28 PM, Ali Martin wrote: >> In your reply editor window, simply going to the 'Options' menu, >> selecting 'Active account' and choosing which account you wish to use >> to send the message, should solve your problem. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A good pun is its own reword. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Two questions
Jason Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have yet another question about TB. In my last mail program (Eudora > Pro), I could specify which account I wanted a sent message to be sent > from. I can't seem to do that with TB. > Yes, yes - before you say it, I know that whichever account I happen > to be in (have highlighted) when I click the new message button is the > account from which that message originates. But what I'm talking about > is changing the from entry on replies and forwards. In your reply editor window, simply going to the 'Options' menu, selecting 'Active account' and choosing which account you wish to use to send the message, should solve your problem. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat [Y/N]? ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Paula Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't see the advantage either. I think the present implementation >> is an attempt to make things clearer but they have, to me, done the >> opposite. :( The filter manager should, IMHO, be just like the address >> book in design. ... > Despite Douglas' problems with Calypso, it has a lovely filtering > system. All of what you mentioned is accomplished in a simpler and more > elegant manner. A single filter, for example, can be set to apply to > both incoming and outgoing messages. Filters can run automatically, of > course, but can also be picked off a quickly accessible list to run at > any time and much more - very nice implementation. TB started with > an awkward construct and now they are probably stuck with for the sake > of backward compatibility, unfortunately, but they certainly can > improve, and I'm sure they will. Well, one way of greatly improving it would be to offer the ability to make other filter sets, offering the present ones as templates to get you started so to speak. :) -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Procrastination Day Has Been Postponed! ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Autoreply Function
Clemens Vermeulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would anyone know how to get The Bat! to 'Auto-Respond' to incoming > messages? > Any tips would would be greatly appreciated. You could use the read confirmation support as an auto responder. The read confirmation template may be created and activated on a per folder basis. The message filter rules also offers the ability to autorespond using the 'send auto-reply' option under the Actions tab in the filter rules configuration applet. HTH. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Activating only certain filters
r receiving mail, sending mail, opening or closing the source folder, or just to make it plain manual only. Message attributes should be offered as filter criteria on a per rule basis, such as, message read, unread, replied, message age, message priority etc. If flags and color coding are being supported in future versions then these should be offered as criteria for filtering as well. Message dates (age) should also be offered as criteria which could make automatic archiving possible. If message date criteria are not offered then in the folder properties, instead of simply offering the option to remove old messages, also give an option to copy old messages to a particular folder for automatic archiving. > I do notice that filtering does respect the park flag when moving the > message. I'm surprised that filtering moves parked messages. Aren't parked messages supposed to be messages that are not delete-able or moveable unless you unpark them? :) > Thanks for running through this with me. We are definitely getting up > to speed, and the groups help is unexcelled. Yes, this has been a fun exercise in filtering techniques. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
