Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

Greetings,

I'm a new user; I'm waiting on my key to get mailed to me :-) and I must say this 
client rocks.

My questions.

First:

Can anyone tell me if there is a variable that holds just the initials
(or whatever is chosen for the quoted text -- be it initials or first
name, etc.). If I have Initials chosen, and I replied to my own e-mail,
I'd get BC> for the quotes prefix.

I've tried returning the value of %QUOTESTYLE but it's always empty. :\

I'm trying to get something along the lines of (when replying):

(BC == "Brian Clark") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

To do that, I've been hacking various versions of this:

(%SETPATTREGEXP="(\w)\w+(?:\s+(\w)\w+)?"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%TONAME"%SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"
 == "%TONAME %TOADDR") %TOADDR writes:

Or this:

(%SETPATTREGEXP="(\w)(\w+\s+)?(\w)(\w+)?"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%TONAME"%SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="3"
 == "%TONAME") %TOADDR writes:

Etc..

(admittedly, I'm no regular expressions guru)

I've finally come to the conclusion that there has to be a variable that holds the 
thing
because the client itself interprets what it should do regardless of
what the recipient's information is displayed as. Ie. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
Joe Blow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, etc..

Second:

When I reply to a thread, the portions of the quoted text that are
void of characters do not have the prefix in front of them. Ie.:

BC> Stuff here
BC> More stuff here..

BC> Somee tuff down here.
BC> More stuff..
BC> blah blah..

Is there a way to force even those blank portions to be quoted? The
WHOLE, original mail?

Thanks for any suggestions on a better ways to do these things..

:-)

-Brian

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

[Brian Clark]

(GE == "Gerd Ewald") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

GE> This bug happened to me using the Halloween edition, but I never
GE> could reproduce this one so I never reported this.

While we're at it, ;) I have a bug report for the Halloween Edition:

Alt+Backspace doesn't Undo.

(I found out which key was bound to Undo in the help file after Ctrl+Z
didn't work.)

-Brian

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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

( "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

-- 

See what I mean..


ACM> On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:07:39 -0500, Brian Clark wrote these
ACM> comments about 'Macros (Regexp): Two questions.':

BC>> I'm a new user; I'm waiting on my key to get mailed to me :-) and I
BC>> must say this client rocks.

ACM> Indeed it does and welcome to TBBETA. :=)

Why beta? :-) You mean my client or this list? I noticed there was a
Beta list, but I thought this was the plain 'ol users' list..

Nevertheless, thanks!

BC>> Can anyone tell me if there is a variable that holds just the initials
BC>> (or whatever is chosen for the quoted text -- be it initials or first
BC>> name, etc.). If I have Initials chosen, and I replied to my own e-mail,
BC>> I'd get BC> for the quotes prefix.

ACM> Well, you can either do it globally via the account properties default
ACM> reply template properties or you can do it selectively with the
ACM> %Quotestyle macro.


Yep. That's where I've been modifying it (the global default reply),
but I have other custom ones already for specific people and the this
isn't even officially "registered" yet. Heheh.. Wondering when the key
is gonna get here..


BC>> I've tried returning the value of %QUOTESTYLE but it's always empty.
BC>> :\

ACM> Firstly, the %Quotestyle macro *must* precede the %quotes macro in your
ACM> reply template. If you place it after the %quotes macro, it will not
ACM> work.

Yep, I've tried that (see the first line of this mail), but it's void.

I figured *maybe* %Quotestyle would be set to the default (Ie. BC)
unless I modified it, but that wasn't the case. :\


ACM> The next, is that to produce initials, you use "I", i.e.,
ACM> %QUOTESTYLE="I"

Yep, done this, but I *do* I like the way TB! does the work. The thing
is that I don't know how to copy the prefix it uses in %Quotes into
the first line -- the (BC == "Brian Clark") part.

I've tried this, with no effect:

%QUOTESTYLE="I"
(%QUOTESTYLE == "%TONAME") %TOADDR writes:
%Cursor
%Quotes

And I've tried this:

(%QUOTESTYLE == "%TONAME") %TOADDR writes:
%Cursor
%Quotes


I also noticed that TB!'s initials it uses for users with no
"Firstname Lastname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" format, only
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is:

eac>

As in e = email, a = address, c = com

Which is about the point I said `to heck with this' and wanted to find
out where TB! stores it's values for %Quotes.


ACM> See the help on this:

ACM> QUOTESTYLE=”expression” - specify the quotation sign prefix used after
ACM> this macro. Expression can be any of the following:

ACM> NONE - use an empty prefix (a standard)
ACM> I - use initials of the sender of the original message

ACM> IF - use the first initial of the sender of the
ACM>  original message

ACM> N - use the full name of the sender of the original 
message
ACM> F - use the first name of the sender of the original 
message
ACM> L - use the last name of the sender of the original 
message
ACM> =text - use the “text” as the prefix, e.g. 
%QUOTESTYLE=”=-|”

BC>> I'm trying to get something along the lines of (when replying):
BC>> (BC == "Brian Clark") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To do that,
BC>> I've been hacking various versions of this:

ACM> You don't need a regex macro to do that. :=)

Then let me know what works please... :-P

:-)

-Brian

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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

(JR == "Jan Rifkinson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JR> Hi Brian,

Howdy!

JR>   On Saturday, November 18, 2000 @ 07:07:39 -0500 you wrote
JR>   the following in regards to Macros (Regexp): Two
JR>   questions.:

JR>I am a new user as well but this functon I know about. Look @
JR>the default reply template & you will see quote options for
JR>none, initials, first name, last name, first initial or full
JR>name.

BC>> I've tried returning the value of %QUOTESTYLE but it's always empty. :\

JR> When using %QUOTESTYLE you have to include a value such
JR> as %QUOTESTYLE="I". You can find these values in help ->
JR> find "quotestyle" yields "templates". Scroll down the
JR> template values & you will find the %QUOTESTYLE values.

Yep, the posts are a little behind because the server is quite a ways
away I'd imagine (for me, anyway) ;-)

I've tried added $QUOTESTYLE="I" as the first line, then returning
($QUOTESTYLE == etc etc..) with no effect. It's always empty..

BC>> [...] When I reply to a thread, the portions of the
BC>> quoted text that are void of characters do not have the
BC>> prefix in front of them. [...] Ie.:

JR> If I understand this correctly, %QUOTESTYLE *will* add
JR> the prefix to all lines of text that you select or all
JR> text if you choose to reply to the entire post.

Yep, $Quotestyle does just what you see in this email. it works, but
the first line is what I'm having trouble with.

Since you have Jan Rifkinson before your email address, my little
macro picks it up correctly, but otherwise, it's a coin toss. ;-)

(Still looking for a fix, btw)

I also have to do something about the [2]'s, [3]'s. etc. that appear
after Re in threads.

I know it seems like I'm bugged by TB!, but I really do love this mail
client, FWIW. ;-)

-Brian

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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

(TB == "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


BC> (JR == "Jan Rifkinson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JR>> Hi Brian,

BC> Howdy!

JR>>   On Saturday, November 18, 2000 @ 07:07:39 -0500 you wrote
JR>>   the following in regards to Macros (Regexp): Two
JR>>   questions.:

JR>>I am a new user as well but this functon I know about. Look @
JR>>the default reply template & you will see quote options for
JR>>none, initials, first name, last name, first initial or full
JR>>name.

BC>>> I've tried returning the value of %QUOTESTYLE but it's always empty. :\

JR>> When using %QUOTESTYLE you have to include a value such
JR>> as %QUOTESTYLE="I". You can find these values in help ->
JR>> find "quotestyle" yields "templates". Scroll down the
JR>> template values & you will find the %QUOTESTYLE values.

BC> Yep, the posts are a little behind because the server is quite a ways
BC> away I'd imagine (for me, anyway) ;-)

BC> I've tried added $QUOTESTYLE="I" as the first line, then returning
BC> ($QUOTESTYLE == etc etc..) with no effect. It's always empty..

Jan corrected this off-list. I meant %QUOTESTYLE, not $QUOTESTYLE

I'm used to Perl. :\

Nevertheless, I was right in that %QUOTESTYLE has no effect.

-Brian

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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

(KJ == "Kari Jakobi") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

KJ> Brian Clark wrote on Samstag, 18. November 2000 15:00:59 h
KJ> about "Macros (Regexp): Two questions.":

KJ> Hello Brian,

BC>> I also have to do something about the [2]'s, [3]'s. etc. that appear
BC>> after Re in threads.

KJ> This is one I can solve!
KJ> Just add "%SINGLERE" to your reply and/or forwarding template(s) and


Most excellent! Man, that's great. (And, it works)


KJ> every reply of yours will be of this style:
KJ> Subject: Re: 

KJ> If you want to clean up multiple fwd's and/ or re subject lines (fwd:
KJ> fwd: re: fwd:  go to
KJ> www.silverstones.com/thebat/faq/macros.html there you will find a
KJ> RegExp macro for this job


I also tried this one, but it doesn't work (for me at least). When I
stick that into my template, and I try hitting reply for a really nasty
subject line, it doesn't bring up the message editor.


KJ> Sorry on your other question, but I don't know anything about that,
KJ> because I never used it.

You can't win 'em all. ;-)

Appreciate it!

-Brian

P.S. Hey, look. I'm registered!

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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

(MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MDP> Hi Brian,

Hi Marck,

MDP> On 18 November 2000 at 09:00:59 -0500 (which was 14:00 where I
MDP> live) Brian Clark wrote and made these points:
MDP> 
BC>> I've tried added $QUOTESTYLE="I" as the first line, then returning
BC>> ($QUOTESTYLE == etc etc..) with no effect. It's always empty..
MDP> 
MDP> Let  me  be  the  first  to attempt to understand what you're *really*
MDP> trying  to  do  here  ;-).  You are quite right that you can't get the
MDP> intended  prefix  returned  to  you  from the macro within a template.
MDP> Here's  a  suggestion;  why  not  use a RegEx like that you originally
MDP> suggested and force the issue? Take the guesswork out of what TB might
MDP> pick as a prefix and both report the key in the heading as you wish to
MDP> and  override  the  prefix  to  match  what  you reported by using the
MDP> %QUOTESTYLE="=xx". Just a suggestion.

I've tried this, but I have yet to perfect my regexp! Heheh.

It does work, but so far I get mixed results. I'll keep at it.

BC>> Yep, $Quotestyle does just what you see in this email. it works,
BC>> but the first line is what I'm having trouble with.
MDP> 
MDP> There  was  a recent debate on this and TB just can't be made to do it
MDP> automatically.  You can force the issue by "pasting quoted" (Alt-Ins),
MDP> but TB's internal quoting mechanisms don't do it. :-(.

There has to be a way to code in that option. (I mean this mail client
is already filled to the brim with options ;-).)

OK cool. The Alt+Ins thing works (as you can see), but let me ask
this: Is there a way to get templates to automatically hit Alt+Ins for
me?

Let's say I Ctrl+A Ctrl+C Ctrl+R really fast. If the template
automatically ran Alt+Ins, that's all I'd need.

Also, I wrote a perl script to grab the name of the currently playing
song in WinAmp. Of course, this sort of thing is trivial under Linux,
but while I'm in Windows, thought this would be kind of neat.

Is there a way to run a program when I hit sent, BUT carry the output
of that program with it in the body of the message?

I'm going to take a wild guess  and say that someone has already
done this before..

MDP> - --
MDP>  Cheers,
MDP>  .\\arck

Gosh, this list is full of great info. :-)

-Brian

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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

(BC == "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


BC> (MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MDP>> Hi Brian,

BC> Hi Marck,

--snip-

BC>>> Yep, $Quotestyle does just what you see in this email. it works,
BC>>> but the first line is what I'm having trouble with.
MDP>> 
MDP>> There  was  a recent debate on this and TB just can't be made to do it
MDP>> automatically.  You can force the issue by "pasting quoted" (Alt-Ins),
MDP>> but TB's internal quoting mechanisms don't do it. :-(.

BC> There has to be a way to code in that option. (I mean this mail client
BC> is already filled to the brim with options ;-).)

BC> OK cool. The Alt+Ins thing works (as you can see), but let me ask
BC> this: Is there a way to get templates to automatically hit Alt+Ins for
BC> me?

BC> Let's say I Ctrl+A Ctrl+C Ctrl+R really fast. If the template
BC> automatically ran Alt+Ins, that's all I'd need.


Correction. I'd have to delete the original reply text, then hit
Alt+Ins. Doh.


BC> Also, I wrote a perl script to grab the name of the currently playing
BC> song in WinAmp. Of course, this sort of thing is trivial under Linux,
BC> but while I'm in Windows, thought this would be kind of neat.

BC> Is there a way to run a program when I hit sent, BUT carry the output
BC> of that program with it in the body of the message?

BC> I'm going to take a wild guess  and say that someone has already
BC> done this before..

Oh, and btw, let me say that I have already found the option in outbox
filters to run an external program -- I don't think that will do what
I am talking about. Or will it?

-Brian
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Re: Macros (Regexp): Two questions.

[Brian Clark]

(Ma == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MDP> On 19 November 2000 at 07:40:41 -0500 (which was 12:40 where I
MDP> live) Brian Clark wrote and made these points:
MDP> 
BC>>> There has to be a way to code in that option. (I mean this mail
BC>>> client is already filled to the brim with options ;-).)
MDP> 
MDP> We have to wait for Stef/Max to decide they think it's worth making an
MDP> option.

Oh yes, I realized that. I was just babbling.

BC>>> OK cool. The Alt+Ins thing works (as you can see), but let me ask
BC>>> this: Is there a way to get templates to automatically hit

8< snippity snip snip >8-

BC>>> Is there a way to run a program when I hit sent, BUT carry the
BC>>> output of that program with it in the body of the message?
MDP> 
BC>>> I'm going to take a wild guess  and say that someone has
BC>>> already done this before..
MDP> 
MDP> I  can't  say  that I've seen anyone do this in particular. Those that
MDP> needed  something  done  to  a  message  between outbox and server use
MDP> something like "X-Ray" to modify the message headers.

Yep, I've tried X-Ray. IMO, it's pretty wack to run yet another
program in the tray just to fool around with X-tra headers. It's a
novel idea, but it's not for me. :-)

BC>> Oh, and btw, let me say that I have already found the option in
BC>> outbox filters to run an external program -- I don't think that
BC>> will do what I am talking about. Or will it?
MDP> 
MDP> It  might  -  I  suppose that you could perform a sequence of multiple
MDP> filters which
MDP> 
MDP> 1) Export the message
MDP> 2) Run the external operation
MDP> 3) Import the message back to the outbox.
MDP> 
MDP> I haven't tried it and don't know where the loop stops :-). Try it and

LOL Yeah the loop thing is pretty funny.

I got it to work just by having an Outbox filter run the perl script
when I sent mail, and it wrote the song to a file.

But, the catch is that I could only get it to display the last song
written to the file. (I was using %PUT="" in my template).

So, I ditched that idea. I still have plenty of stuff to play with
though!

MDP> - --
MDP>  Cheers,
MDP>  .\\arck

Take it easy,

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Re: Filters

[Brian Clark]

Hello Marck, 

(MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JA>> First create your colour groups (Options -> Message List Colours)
MDP> 
JA>> Now in your filter, (Account -> Sorting office/filters)
JA>> set the destination and source folders to be the same, then under
JA>> Actions select the colour group you want to use.
MDP> 
MDP> ... and then, if you then want your colour coded messages to be sorted
MDP> into folders by the other filters, tick the "Continue processing other
MDP> filters" option in the Options tab.
MDP> 
MDP> I  use  this  method to pick out all messages which are from threads I
MDP> participate or that are addressed directly to me.

Personally, I can't get the color groups and filters to work together.

I've tried setting up a filter to highlight any e-mail sent by me navy
blue.

Incoming filter is as follows:

Name: Brian Clark
Source Folder: Inbox
Move messages to folder: Inbox
Strings: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Location: Anywhere
Present: Yes
Rule is: Active

Under Actions Tab:

Set messages colour group to: Myself (this is a color group I made,
obviously)

Options tab:

Continue processing with other filters : checked
Regular expressions: checked for the heck of it.

Advanced tab:

Message is associated with a Colour Group: Myself


I also placed a copy of the same filter in Read Messages filters, as
well. Same settings.

I can manually run the filters, no navy blue. And it's obviously not
working for Incoming mail. :-)

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


MDP> - --
MDP>  Cheers,
MDP>  .\\arck


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Re: Filters

[Brian Clark]

(BC == "Brian Clark") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC> Strings: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Just so you know, the above was a typo. I meant .com obviously..

:-)

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Re: Filters

[Brian Clark]

Hello Curtis,

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Note: just to save some packets, Curtis, I double checked my spelling
in the e-mail address. I indeed have .com instead of .om

BC>> Location: Anywhere
ACM> 
ACM> Location should be set to 'sender' or else you'll be changing the colour
ACM> of a lot of messages that aren't from you.

Yes, I tired that first. No effect; that's why I chose Anywhere. But I
don't understand how it would change the color of messages not from
me? I mean, I hope there is only one [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)

BC>> Present: Yes
BC>> Rule is: Active
ACM> 
BC>> Under Actions Tab:
ACM> 
BC>> Set messages colour group to: Myself (this is a color group I made,
BC>> obviously)
ACM> 
BC>> Options tab:
ACM> 
BC>> Continue processing with other filters : checked
BC>> Regular expressions: checked for the heck of it.
ACM>  ^^
ACM>  NOOO!!! Not for the heck of it. Switch it off!!
ACM>  It will treat your address as a regular
ACM>  expression, although in your case the only
ACM>  metacharacter present is '.' and it being there
ACM>  shouldn't pose a problem.

LOL. OMG, yeah I should have known that. But it should still pick up in
this case, as you mentioned.

BC>> Advanced tab:
ACM> 
BC>> Message is associated with a Colour Group: Myself
ACM> 
ACM> Switch this off. The message is not yet colour coded so this will break
ACM> your filter. This option is telling the rule to attempt a match only on
ACM> messages colour coded as 'myself'. But no incoming message has been so
ACM> coded as yet.

Ahh, the Advanced tab setting was the problem. :-D

BC>> I also placed a copy of the same filter in Read Messages filters, as
BC>> well. Same settings.
ACM> 
ACM> What is your aim with the read messages filter.

I'm too lazy to send test messages to myself. Heheheh.. really,
almost.

Thanks for your help in finding the solution.

Cheers!

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Re: Filters

[Brian Clark]

BC> Yes, I tired

Why, yes. Yes, I am.

BC> that first. No effect; that's why I chose Anywhere. But I
BC> don't understand how it would change the color of messages not from
BC> me? I mean, I hope there is only one [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)

I guess I put my foot in my mouth again. I forgot about X-headers and
such. You're right, practically everything would turn blue.

Maybe I should go to bed before I start a world war or something.

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FAQ, Spam, Regexps

[Brian Clark]

Greetings TB! Users,

OK, I realize this has been driven into the ground. I checked the
archives and I've read threads on the subject of 'Spam' until my eyes
bled.

I've created a filter an Incoming filter to match:

^.+(\s|\t)+[0-9]+$

For the subject line. (as I've said before, I'm no RegExp guru so no
comments from the peanut gallery on my attempts at regular
expressions ;-))

I take it that the above should match a subject line containing the
following:

:: Save up to 70% on Your Life Insurance -FREE Quote   98756790

However, mail with innocent subject lines like:

[PHP] How can I strip metachars from strings?

End up in the SPAM mbox.

What am I doing wrong? I do have Regular Expressions checked in
options.

This isn't the sole filter I'm trying to setup; I realize the above
isn't the "be-all, end-all" for SPAM. 

Suggestions?

-Brian
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Re: FAQ, Spam, Regexps

[Brian Clark]

Hello Marck, 

(MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> Suggestions?

MDP> Most  here use the "Sherlock" method of spam detection: "Eliminate the
MDP> impossible  and  what  remains,  however improbable, must be the spam"
MDP> (sic).  IOW  put filters in place for "friendly" messages (from people
MDP> and lists that you know)
MDP> and  lists that you know) and round off with a "Specifically addressed
MDP> to  me"  filter  as  a  back stop (which leaves messages in the Inbox)
MDP> followed  by  one  to  mark a message as read and shove it in the Spam
MDP> folder.

MDP> For  me  this  hits on >95% of spam coming through the door. Once in a
MDP> while  I check the spam folder for any that were meant for me but were
MDP> badly addressed. I haven't found one for months!

Hey, sounds like a great idea. I guess I was making it way too complicated.

MDP> - --
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MDP>  .\\arck

Thanks, Marck

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The Bat! Beta

[Brian Clark]

Greetings TB! users,

I notice quite a large number of TB! users are running the Beta
version. Is there a any huge benefit in my upgrading to 1.48/8?

Has anyone seen any adverse effects during their TB! Beta use?

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Re: PGP encryption problem

[Brian Clark]

Hello Nick,

(NA == "Nick Andriash") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

KT>> I cannot PGP because when I try to save or send a message with the
KT>> instruction to encrypt the message I get this error message:

KT>> Access violation 00509196
KT>> Read of address FFF

KT>> I am using PGP 6.5i and am now using The Bat 1.48 Beta 8 on Windows 98 
KT>> V2

NA> Kevin, do you have PGP installed on your Computer, and if so, what version
NA> do you have, or are you trying to use TB's internal version of PGP?

I get the exact same thing when I use `Encrypt when completed' But, if
I go down to `PGP -> Encrypt entire text' it works as expected.

One problem is that if receive an encrypted message from someone, TB!
automatically thinks I'm going to want to encrypt my reply (which is a
reasonable assumption!) -- and of course, when it tries to send it, it
gives me the `Access violation' error.

NA> Nick

PGP 6.0.2 using batpgp60.dll and 6.0.x checked in `PGP version to be
used'

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Re: PGP encryption problem

[Brian Clark]

Hello Nick, 

(NA == "Nick Andriash") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> One problem is that if receive an encrypted message from someone, TB!
BC>> automatically thinks I'm going to want to encrypt my reply (which is a
BC>> reasonable assumption!) -- and of course, when it tries to send it, it
BC>> gives me the `Access violation' error.

NA> Yes, I think Gerd may be right, in that you are using S/MIME functions
NA> when what you really want is PGP. Under Account/Properties/Options, make
NA> sure you do not have S/MIME checked. For all your PGP needs when utilising
NA> the PGP Plug-in, use the Privacy menu on your Message Editor Toolbar.
NA> Privacy/PGP is where you should be looking for all those functions.

Yep, that was the problem. Works fine now.

NA> Nick

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Re: Word Wrapping (OT)

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Hello Thomas, 

(TF == "Thomas Fernandez") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ML>>  I downloaded Andale Mono after it had been touted several times
ML>> on the list, just out of curiosity (I had been content with Courier
ML>> New for years). I installed it, and found it to be pretty ugly.

TF> Somebody out there understands me! 

ML>> Guess what? Weeks later, it  now looks perfectly fine to me.

TF> You started out so excellent. And now this? 

FWIW, I use 10pt Andale Mono in the editor window. ;-) Any size
smaller *is* pretty ugly.

I use 10pt Courier New for programming and all other fixed-width needs.

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PGP Auto Decrypt

[Brian Clark]

Greetings,

Has anyone gotten TB!/PGP to automatically decrypt a message when
opening messages? I have that option checked in PGP Preferences, but
TB! doesn't seem to be cooperating.

Right now, I'm having to go up to Specials and click "PGP Decrypt" in
order to decrypt a message -- there isn't even a shortcut (which would
suit me just a well).

Have I overlooked something?

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Re: PGP Auto Decrypt

[Brian Clark]

Hello Gerd,

(GE == "Gerd Ewald") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> Right now, I'm having to go up to Specials and click "PGP Decrypt" in
>> order to decrypt a message -- there isn't even a shortcut (which would
>> suit me just a well).

GE> Ctrl-Shift-D Decrypt and Verify (lookout: the DLL creates a decrypted copy
GE> of the msg and leaves the encrypted one untouched)

GE> Ctrl-Shift-C Verify signature

Hey hey, this isn't working for me.. :\

Ctrl+Shift+D does nada.. is it something I've done? :-)

Is there some place I can get a list of ALL of the shortcuts for TB!?

GE> - --
GE> Best regards,
GE>  Gerd

Thanks Gerd -

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Re: PGP Auto Decrypt

[Brian Clark]

Hello Gerd, 

(GE == "Gerd Ewald") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

GE>>> Ctrl-Shift-C Verify signature

>> Hey hey, this isn't working for me.. :\

>> Ctrl+Shift+D does nada.. is it something I've done? :-)

>> Is there some place I can get a list of ALL of the shortcuts for TB!?

GE> Oh, I forgot to say that the shortcuts have to be enabled in PGP
GE> PGPOptions Tabform "Hotkeys" Enable what you need.

OK, this must be "Dense Day" for me.. :-)

There is nothing about Hotkeys in either PGP Preferences or any PGP
menu item.. in the editor, TB! main window, or PGP itself..

GE> Sorry, it was a long day.

It's getting longer.. Heheh :-)

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Ritlabs SecureBat! - suggestions

[Brian Clark]

Hello Ritlabs SecureBat! developers,

  I'm using Ritlabs SecureBat! Version 1.53bis/iKey1000
  Serial Number  0266E-08A55
  under Windows 98 4.10 Build   A .

  There are some features I would like to see in your program:

A hot-key assigned to Show/Hide connection center.

Some people, like myself, may have connection center always on
hide. When there is a problem (For example, I can't close the
application when it's trying to connect to a mail server that
cannot be reached), I have to:

1) Go to Options -> Preferences
2) Select Always from the list.
3) Hit OK.
4) Hit Abort.

Then, when the problem has corrected itself, later, go through the
same process to hide it once again.

A Show/Hide toggle shortcut would make this process *much* easier.

Unless, of course, I've overlooked an existing shortcut?

Regards,
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Re: The Bat on The Penguin

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Allie, Matt,

@ 7:26:52 PM on 8/29/2001, Allie C Martin wrote:

MC> Has anyone heard if there's any progress porting TB! to Linux?

- --(snip)--
ACM> The last thing was that for them to even consider porting it, the
ACM> porting of Delphi to Linux would have to happen. I think it has,
ACM> nuh?

ACM> If it has, then I guess there has to be enough potential buyers
ACM> on the Linux side to make it worth their while?

I wouldn't hold your breath :-) Judging by the release, err, of TB!
version 2 and the fact that, probably, not many Linux users would
purchase it, I'd take a while guess and say that it probably won't
happen. It's not that Linux users wouldn't think it's worthy, but I'm
sure they'd scream for the source. Or, something.

Many people have claimed that TB! runs great under WINE (I think) and
Win4Lin.

I have yet to try that..

Also a Debian user,
- --
 -Brian Clark | PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8
 [SB! 1.53n/iKey1000, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build  A]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05)
Comment: This space for rent.

iQA/AwUBO42qA7Wi5fvk0MfIEQLQuQCeMvhYkcyDXePJsO/PruLAQxM8pucAn0ia
hC8xv2L26qsa5ligxFmd8Jtq
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Re: outrage

[Brian Clark]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Spaz,

@ 9:32:33 PM on 9/26/2001, Spaz wrote:

d> Dear TheBat Administrator,

This is the address you want to send your request to:

Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

d> So,whut!? U wanna play game with me?! Kick me outta it
d> or I'm gonna sue U 911 AmeriKan most wanted!

I can barely understand this. I don't know whether to forward
it to the FBI, or try to decrypt it with one of the PGP plugins.

Nevertheless, my guess is that 90% of the people subscribed to this
list don't live in the United States, and most, if not all, of the the
moderators don't live in the United States. The server isn't even in
the United States. The people that own the hardware don't even live in
the United States. In other words, +#3y'r3 No+ 4/\/\3r1c4n.

Roxor on,
- --
 -Brian Clark | PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8
 [SB! 1.54 Beta/9/iKey1000, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build  A]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05)
Comment: This space for rent.

iQA/AwUBO7KGxrWi5fvk0MfIEQKzwwCgur0NvhM17RfDHHp6i4mcakJ+heMAmwfD
UgEXysZjvxuG6pFskqaqddlf
=yOvD
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Re: SSL Authentication?

[Brian Clark]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jeff,

@ 12:44:26 PM on 10/2/2001, Jeff Worley wrote:

JW> I am trying to hit my e-amil server from work through a LAN and
JW> keep getting a connection failure. The technician from ATT
JW> Worldnet said I needed SSL authentication to connect. Is there any
JW> way to do this with TB?

I don't think so. This has been on the Wish List for a long time, I
believe. We had a discussion a long time ago (check the archives)
about using stunnel (server-side), but would only be of any use to
those who administer their own mail server(s).

In the Transport \ Authentication section of your account properties,
several options are listed (APOP, too, which is widely used).

- --
 -Brian Clark | PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8
  Crouching Bat!, Hidden Features v1.54/9/iKey1000
  Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build  A

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05)
Comment: This space for rent.

iQA/AwUBO7n1PbWi5fvk0MfIEQLE8ACggGEn1Lx2pv187yaaCJF359lGa7MAoKt9
sJzhsNI0JVvwWkyjT45mocW4
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Re: Form post behaviour

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 4:57:00 AM on 10/27/2001, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> I talking about HTML Forms which use the Action="POST" method for
MDP> submission so that data is sent from the client

Don't you mean method="POST"?

MDP> via email rather than collected by cgi-bin or server side
MDP> scripting.

Do you mean with action="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";?

MDP> An email is created and sent when you hit the "Send" button on
MDP> the form on an HTML page.

As far as the original message:

MDP> When clicking sent on POST style forms (using IE5), the POST is
MDP> handled by TB and sent immediately. *However*, the connection
MDP> centre comes straight back up with a non-existent event with
MDP> nothing to send requiring an "Abort task" to get rid of it.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.. I've never seen an
HTML form produce a message in TB! *and* make it immediately send.

What are you trying to do?

-Brian


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Re: Form post behaviour

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 1:28:01 PM on 10/27/2001, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP>>> handled by TB and sent immediately. *However*, the connection
MDP>>> centre comes straight back up with a non-existent event with
MDP>>> nothing to send requiring an "Abort task" to get rid of it.

Hmm, I see what you meant now (not that error, but IE and TB!).

Anyway, I created a form with the action
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=foo, filled out the form, hit submit,
IE notified me blah blah, then I heard *boink* while the Connection
Centre flashed on and off, message was stuck in Outbox, and the log
said:

!10/27/2001, 20:09:30: SEND  - Message from , subject "", is not properly addressed

I take it that's not supposed to happen. :-$

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Re: Address book and Palm Addressbook data sharing

[Brian Clark]

Hi Roberto,

@ 5:08:26 PM on 10/27/2001, Roberto Machorro wrote:

RM> Is it possible to sync The Bat's addressbook with Palm's
RM> addressbook? I have no problem syncing, receiving and sending
RM> e-mail, using the mail conduit. Just don't want to type in every
RM> address twice.



Check out the top of the page. :-)

Lots of other goodies here:


RM> Many thanks!

No problem.

While we're writing..

I can't stand pointing this out, but please start a new thread (a new
message) when asking a question. You didn't even bother a trim off
someone else's reply to someone else's question. :-\

When you hit reply and changed the subject, your message appeared in
the middle of another conversation. For example:

[-]- Form post behaviour
 +-[-]- Re: Form post behaviour
 ...
+-[-]- Re: Form post behaviour
   |-- Re: Form post behaviour
   +-- Address book and Palm Addressbook data sharing

To see what I mean, have a look at your message list and go to

 View -> View Threads By -> References

Or simply hit Alt+1 (Alt+0 to return).

Happy Trails,
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Re: Form post behaviour

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 5:10:49 AM on 10/28/2001, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

BC>> Anyway, I created a form with the action
BC>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=foo,

  
  Oops. I meant to let you know I tried it
  without the subject and it gave me the
  same result ("subject" error in the log).
  
MDP> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; ENCTYPE="Text/Plain" 
METHOD=POST>

Yep, still got the same result with the above cut and pasted exactly
as shown - still the *boink* with flashing Connection Centre and it
was stuck in the Outbox without a subject. The log still says:

!10/28/2001, 16:49:32: SEND  - Message from , subject "", is not properly addressed

I would think it's IE problem since you're getting different results?
I'm using IE 5.50.4522.1800CO to be exact.

-Brian


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Re: still can't find info on syncing addressbook (TB/Palm)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Roberto,

@ 4:19:11 PM on 10/29/2001, Roberto Machorro wrote:

RM> I searched through all of the "=". I only found how to sync e-mail
RM> with the Palm, which I had already done. But no sign on how to
RM> sync with the Addressbook.

Sorry I couldn't help you more on that; I guess my mail turned out to
not be very helpful AND turned out to be possibly insulting. I hope I
didn't ruin your day. I really didn't mean to.

I've used Palm before, but I've never really been that deep into it.

RM> On a side note, I liked the system (BrainStorm) used for arranging
RM> all of the information.

One of our moderators, Marck D. Pearlstone, is responsible for the FAQ
and the software that produces it. He should be applauded for all of
his hard work, indeed. :-) I could not imagine how much time he's
spent helping all of us on- and off-list. (Let's not forget many many
others! Hopefully you'll get a chance to get to know them if you get
to know TB!.)

RM> So, I appoligize for messing up ;) the list. I thought that just
RM> changing the subject would be enough to start a new thread, looks
RM> like TB is smarter than that :)

Yep. :-) Most email clients (RFC friendly ones, at least) use
In-Reply-To and References headers to do that sort of thing. Use the
key combination Ctrl+Shift+K, or go to View -> RFC-822 headers, and
have a look at the "Kludges."

If there's something you're wanting to do and you can't figure it out,
ask the list because chances are it can be done. I haven't really
wanted for much since I started using TB! last October.

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Re: still can't find info on syncing addressbook (TB/Palm)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Roberto,

@ 5:16:51 PM on 10/30/01, Roberto Machorro wrote:

RM> No harm done ;) So I guess the obvious question now is: What kind
RM> of file format does TB's address book have?? I might be able to
RM> write a conduit that takes the Palm's addressbook and syncs it
RM> with TB's addressbook. That will certainly make things very nice
RM> :) If I'm not mistaken the data files are .ABD

I believe so. Someone else will have to verify that, and they don't
appear to be in plain text though. You can, however, open your Address
Book, highlight an entry and Ctrl+C to copy it in LDIF format. Copy
one and paste it into a text file to see what I mean.

-Brian

P.S. If you want to get rid of the [n] in your reply's subject (but
you certainly don't have to), you can place %SingleRe some where in
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Re: Spam filter

[Brian Clark]

Hi Joseph,

@ 7:19:00 PM on 11/14/2001, Joseph N. wrote:

JN> What is the concept behind filtering for spam?

This has been answered somewhat, but for the record:




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Re: PGP Auto Decrypt

[Brian Clark]

Hello Gerd,

(GE == "Gerd Ewald") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

GE>>> Sorry, it was a long day.

>> It's getting longer.. Heheh :-)

GE> LOL "Snickers, when it takes longer" Well, it shouldn't take as long as
GE> counting votes manually, haha 

OT: Ah, yes. I've never heard /that/ one before.  I'm actually a few states up.

GE> Ok, I assume you use TB with PGP-Plugin. The version you use is 6.5.x and
GE> this version is selected at menu item Tools.PGP.ChoosePGPVersion.

Yep..

GE> If so you go to Tools.PGP.PGPPreferences, there you see several tab
GE> folders; one should be called "HotKeys". There you should find what you are
GE> looking for.

Been there. No HotKeys tab. Nothing about HotKeys in the whole
Preferences dialog of PGP.

GE> Best regards,
GE>  Gerd

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Re: PGP Auto Decrypt

[Brian Clark]

Hello A. Curtis Martin,

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> Ctrl+Shift+D does nada.. is it something I've done? :-)

ACM> Make sure the message in the message list is in focus when using these
ACM> shortcuts. If the message viewer is in focus they don't work. Another
ACM> small short coming for Ritlabs to work out.

Ah, this works for me. That *is* strange that it's in the menu when
replying, but the shortcut is only available in the message list
window. :-\

ACM> These shortcuts really aught
ACM> to work whether the message or it's body is in focus.

Yes, they should..

BC>> Is there some place I can get a list of ALL of the shortcuts for TB!?

ACM> 
ACM> Yes. Via the TB! FAQ pages:
ACM> 
ACM> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html

D'oh! Marck sent me the link, but I can't believe I missed that one.

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Re: First impressions and wishes

[Brian Clark]

Hello Ming-Li, 

(ML == "Ming-Li") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ML> As Jamie pointed out, 64 MB RAM is a little marginal for Win2k to
ML> work efficiently. I have a slightly slower CPU (200 MHz PPro, no
ML> MMX), but with 96 MB RAM, I believe my machine run smoother than
ML> yours, in general. At such low end level, 32 MB makes a huge
ML> difference.

ML> I do run into access violations, but very rarely (slightly more
ML> often when using Win98). I'm not sure it's because you have too
ML> little RAM or there're other factors at play.

FYI, I'm running 98 SE with PII 401mhz / 256 Mb SDRAM and I have yet to see an
access violation (other than the PGP mix-up which was due to S/MIME
being check alongside PGP).

Being a former Eudora user, I can say that TB! is light-speed in
comparison in every way.

I feel liberated,

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Re: Bat! cannot connect to server for outgoing mail

[Brian Clark]

Hello Melissa, 

(MCB == "Melissa Cameron Barsic") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MCB> Hello all.  I'm in some dire straits, so I hope some
MCB> of you can help me.  

MCB> I'm using The Bat! version 1.47 Halloween update,
MCB> under Windows 98.  The problem started ... at least a
MCB> week ago.  I'm not sure of its exact duration.  The
MCB> account in question here is the one I'm using to send
MCB> this e-mail, my Yahoo! mail account.

MCB> The problem is:  I can receive messages from the
MCB> servers for each of the two accounts I have on this
MCB> version of The Bat!.  However, when I try to reply to
MCB> a message, The Bat! hangs on the "Connecting to
MCB> server" dialog box and eventually tells me it can't
MCB> connect to the server.  It then files the unsent
MCB> messages in my outbox.  

MCB> I can send messages from the web client for Yahoo!
MCB> mail, just not from The Bat! as a desktop client.

I had the same problem when I switched to Yahoo! from Hotmail.

Log into your web-based account (in your browser), then go to 'Help
Desk', then go to 'POP Access and Forwarding' then go to 'Why am I
having difficulty sending Yahoo! Mail messages from an email client?'

Check out the first item listed I that section:

8<

"For security reasons, we require that you log in to our POP servers
before you may send mail from an email client. To do this, your email
client will need to download new messages before attempting to send
messages.

* If your email client sends mail first when you click "Send/Receive,"
you may need to click "Send/Receive" twice. If you can't send mail
after several tries, move messages out of the Outbox, attempt to
receive with an empty Outbox, and then try to send your message again.

* If you try both of the above steps and continue to have problems,
please make sure that you have entered your Yahoo! Mail Address as the
"From" address in your email client. You will not be able to send mail
if you have entered another address.

* Finally, you may also wish to call your ISP to ask if they block
outgoing mail servers."

>8

The first step solved my problem.

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Re: Bat! cannot connect to server for outgoing mail

[Brian Clark]

Hello Thomas, 

(TF == "Thomas Fernandez") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MCB>>> I can send messages from the web client for Yahoo!
MCB>>> mail, just not from The Bat! as a desktop client.

BC>> I had the same problem when I switched to Yahoo! from Hotmail.

BC>> "For security reasons, we require that you log in to our POP
BC>> servers before you may send mail from an email client. To do
BC>> this, your email client will need to download new messages before
BC>> attempting to send messages.

TF> Go to Account / Properties / Transport. Click on the More...
TF> button behind the SMTP server name. A new dialogue pops up, check
TF> the tickbox "Use POP before SMTP".


Hey, that's pretty slick. I didn't even notice that!

TB! seems to be the gift that keeps on giving.

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Wrapping of quoted text

[Brian Clark]

Greetings,

I've noticed that when I reply to any mail, the quoted text isn't
wrapped at the same line length as my inserted text. Is this a known
problem or is there a way to auto-correct this?

Here's an example:

begin--

RC> The first firewall choice is always hardware.  I'm sure Keith C. and Brian
RC> C. could help me there, but is anyone relying on a software app  that's 
RC> bullet-proof ?

Stuff and more stuff. Lots of text here, going on and on and on, and
it's about to wrap. Ah, there it did. This is some text and more text
here. See what I mean?

-end---


The quoted text is extended beyond my wrap limit. Now, If I were to
highlight the quoted material and hit Alt+L, it is corrected:


begin--

RC> The first firewall choice is always hardware. I'm sure Keith C.
RC> and Brian C. could help me there, but is anyone relying on a
RC> software app that's bullet-proof ?

Stuff and more stuff. Lots of text here, going on and on and on, and
it's about to wrap. Ah, there it did. This is some text and more text
here. See what I mean?

end---


I hope that comes through to the list like it's supposed to.

Is there a way to automatically correct this? If I don't do that
(correct the quoted material), then any replies to my message come
back all jumbled in some cases (I suppose if the MUA isn't smart
enough to know. ;-))

My current settings for the Editor are (checked items):

Auto-wrap
Smart-Tabs
Auto-Indent
Backspace Unindents
Find Text At Cursor
Overwrite blocks

I have my wrap at 70
Quote name limit at 20

And I have auto-save on for every 1 seconds.

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Re: Wrapping of quoted text

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Hello Jan, 

(JR == "Jan Rifkinson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Brian>> I've noticed that when I reply to any mail, the quoted text
Brian>> isn't wrapped at the same line length as my inserted text. Is
Brian>> this a known problem or is there a way to auto-correct this?

Brian>> Here's an example:



Brian>> The quoted text is extended beyond my wrap limit. Now, If I
Brian>> were to highlight the quoted material and hit Alt+L, it is
Brian>> corrected:

JR> Not really. Just use put your cursor in the graph you want to
JR> re-wrap & use ALT-L or ALT-J to wrap or justify to your set # of
JR> characters. That's what I did.

LOL :-) Deja-vu...

Well, yes, I know you don't technically have to highlight the text to
get it to wrap -- you can just hit Alt+L -- but my point was, how can
I force it to do that *automatically* so I don't have to use Alt+L all
of the time.

It just _seems_ like it shouldn't be doing that. I'd say 80% of the
time I have to re-wrap quoted material -- 99.999% of the cases being
quoted text sent from mail clients other than TB!.

Text that I insert into a reply wraps at 70. Quoted material, a lot of
the time, wraps about 20 pixels further than my wrap limit.

In this case, in this reply, it wrapped normally because you're also
using TB!.

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Re: Wrapping of quoted text

[Brian Clark]

Hello Tobias, 

(TW == "Tobias Wrede") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> This is true. TB! will not interfere with the formatting of quoted
>> material. The wrapping of the quoted material is left intact unless
>> you explicitly reformat it.

TW> And IMHO that is exactly the way it should be. There might be a
TW> reson for using long lines, a table for example, that would get
TW> messed up by rewrapping.

Ah, well I didn't consider that! Yes, that makes a lot of sense, and I
tend to do that very thing a lot on other lists.

I think I'm just going go with the "it's your crappy mail client"
mentality if someone says anything about it. I've noticed MS LookOut
likes to take my quoted text through the blender. I've also noticed
the New Eudora 5.0 seems to mangle the *authors* message -- never mind
the quoted reply. Eudora used to be a decent client, but now it seems
to be an obese monster.

TW> A nice feature, though, would be an extension to the Alt-L thingy
TW> reformating all paragraphs instead of just the current one.

Yes, I agree, that would be nice..

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Re: Wrapping of quoted text

[Brian Clark]

Hello Curtis,

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> I've also noticed the New Eudora 5.0 seems to mangle the
BC>> *authors* message -- never mind the quoted reply. Eudora used to
BC>> be a decent client, but now it seems to be an obese monster.

ACM> It was bad plain text handling that turned me off these main
ACM> stream MUA's, including Calypso.

Exactly! I just don't understand why people want to write Rich-Text
and HTML formatted email.

Your size 6, neon green and yellow .sig may look good to /you/, but
not me, brother.

I'm glad TB! is smart enough to let me view that junk if I *want to*
and they can be sure they'll get a plain-text response.

And of course, we're spiraling off-topic now.. ;-)

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Re: Spam Filter

[Brian Clark]

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ACM> The method Marck and I (among others) have been using is very
ACM> effective in two ways. The first is that the method requires
ACM> minimal maintenance. The second is that you can examine the spam,
ACM> if you like, and report them so that the spammers can have a
ACM> little misery as well. We filter spam by exclusion, the principle
ACM> here being that if we can actually filter all messages that we
ACM> know are legitimate, then the rest of messages must be spam. This
ACM> simple principle is amazingly accurate.

I'll say! Since Marck suggested this to me a few weeks ago, very
little SPAM makes it to my Inbox. I'll bet I've seen only one that
made it into my Inbox since I implemented this filtering method.

It'll take a few tries to make sure you're filtering the _known_ stuff
-- that is meant for you -- though. After that, it /is/ pretty darn
accurate. However, I'd suggest not deleting stuff from the server
before it gets to you unless you have a lot of faith. I just redirect
it into a SPAM folder and check it every so often.

So far, I can usually just check the folder and hit Ctrl+Del ;-)

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Killing Reply To All for lists

[Brian Clark]

Greetings TB! Users,

Is there any way, using templates, that I can force my address NOT to
appear in the CC or To field when someone hits 'Reply To All' in their
email client? I'd like to force a user to manually enter my address if
they truly wish to CC me on list replies.

Possible? I'm guessing no, but I thought I'd ask since this /is/ The
Almighty Bat!, after all.

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Re: Clumsy clumsy Mailticker

[Brian Clark]

(ST == "Stefan Tanurkov") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

AT>> Thats true... but even with fond size 8 the ticker is wider than the
AT>> title bar of a standard window of the underlying program.

ST> Why don't you use Small Fonts? Size 5 looks very neat...

Good grief! How do you read that?! ;)

Actually, Alexander, size 5 isn't available for most fonts, but you
can force it down to 5 by manually entering that size.

But, I have 20/20 vision, and, for a second there, I thought I was
going to go blind before I could switch it back. :)

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Re: Address book names or aliases not being recognised

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Hello Woofie, 

(W == "Woofie") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

W>   Whenever I type in a name or an alias from my address book, as the
W>   recipient of a message, The Bat will not recognise the name and I
W>   have to actually open the address book and select the name from the
W>   entries in my address book. The other alternative is to add
W>   addresses from the address book to the favorites list and insert the
W>   recipient's address that way.

You can also type the first few characters, then use Ctrl+[+/-]
(Control plus or Control minus) to cycle through the available
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Re: TB! v1.48 - %ABxxxxyyyy

[Brian Clark]

Hello Kari, 

(KJ == "Kari Jakobi") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Marck>>> He is referring to the %AB macros which were added in
Marck>>> v1.48.

KJ> It's explained in the help file of the v1.48 release or somewhere
KJ> on TBBETA or was it TBOT?

I have the feeling I may be slapped on the wrist for this because
it's in the archives, but here goes...

*flinch*

=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=

ABnnnPPP - insert a parameter from the address book. The “nnn” part
   determines the address used for retrieving information from
   the address book, the “PPP” part is the name of the address
   book entry parameter. Possible values for the “nnn” part
   are:

TO  - use the address entry for the TO addressee of the current message
OFROM   - use the address entry for the FROM address of the original message
OREPLY  - use the address entry for the REPLY-TO address of the original message
OTO - use the address entry for the TO addressee of the original message
FROM- use the address entry for the FROM address of the current message
REPLY   - use the address entry for the REPLY-TO address of the current message

  Possible values for the “PPP” part are:

Name- the full name
FirstName   - the first name
LastName- the last name
MiddleName  - the middle name
Handle  - the handle (alias)
NamePrefix  - the name prefix (such as “Mr.”, “Mrs.”, “Dr.” etc)P
NameSuffix  - the name suffix (such as “, Jr.”, “, PhD”, etc)
Birthday- the date of birth
Email   - the primary e-mail address
Addr- the home street address
City- the home city name
State   - the home state/province name
ZIP - the home address ZIP/Postal code
Country - the home address country name
Phone   - the home phone number
Fax - the home facsimile number
Mobile  - the mobile phone number
Page- the personal homepage URL
Company - the company name
Job - the job title
Dept- the department name
Office  - the office number
BusAddr - the business street address 
BusCity - the business address city name
BusState- the business address state/province name
BusZIP  - the business address ZIP/Postal code
BusCountry  - the business address Country name
BusPhone- the business telephone number
BusFax  - the business facsimile number
BusPager- the business pager number
BusPage - the business homepage URL
Gender  - the person’s gender
Charset - the default character set
Memo- the Memo contents of the address entry

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Re: Request for information

[Brian Clark]

Hello syv, 

(s == "syv") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

s> Whenever there is a new version a,b,c,d... Could
s> somebody announce it and a couple of line of why the
s> new version?

You probably want to subscribe to the announcements list. When a new
release is made, you're informed of changes, bug-fixes, new features,
etc.

Sending mail here should work, I think:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Subscribe

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Re: Request for information

[Brian Clark]

Hello OK3, 

(O == "OK3") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MM>> -- Changes in 1.48f --
MM>> [+] Warning when a user attempts to open a file with double extension
MM>> [-] Address Books were not automatically restored

O> Was this announce posted to TBBETA list or to
O> [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Subscribe ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Announcements list. The one listed here (with the sign up form):

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/support.html

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Re: RegExp Question

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Hello Januk, 

(JA == "Januk Aggarwal") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JA> That's good. However, as I explained above, you're capturing one
JA> subpattern to small. Make it %SUBPATT=""1"" and it should work.

Why are you using two sets of quotes around the value? I've seen
similar in some of the examples in the FAQ, I think.

What's different about %SUBPATT="1" (or for that matter,
%SUBPATT='1')?

Am I missing something?

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Re: RegExp Question

[Brian Clark]

Hello Januk, 

(JA == "Januk Aggarwal") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JA> Hello Brian,

JA> On  Fri, 22 Dec 2000  at  01:25:48 GMT -0500 (which was 10:25 PM
JA> where I live) witnesses say Brian Clark typed:

>> Why are you using two sets of quotes around the value? I've seen
>> similar in some of the examples in the FAQ, I think.

>> What's different about %SUBPATT="1" (or for that matter,
>> %SUBPATT='1')?

>> Am I missing something?

JA> Excellent question.

JA> There is no difference between single quotes and double quotes, it
JA> just makes life easier to use a mix.  Hopefully the reason for this
JA> will become clear.



JA> This seems a bit confusing when written out.  Try to work out what TB
JA> sees, and ask any questions that may arise.

Not at all. Because I'm assuming %MACRO1="%MACRO2=\"%MACRO3\"" won't
cut it. From the languages I know, double quotes interpolate, single
quotes do not. But, I understood your explanation (snipped).

It just threw me off when you doubled-up double quotes like
%NAME=""value""

I thought you may have made a typo, and it appears that you did.

That's why I did the double-take. :)

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Re: RegExp Question

[Brian Clark]

Hello Januk, 

(JA == "Januk Aggarwal") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> It just threw me off when you doubled-up double quotes like
>> %NAME=""value""

>> I thought you may have made a typo, and it appears that you did.

JA> No, it was intentional.  I wanted to be consistent with what the
JA> original poster was using.  :-)

OK, now I'm confused. I tend to get that way with plenty of things, as
some of you *cough* Marck, Allie *cough* *cough* know.

I'm assuming Stuart borrowed from the "Strip PGP Signatures" example
in the Macros section of the FAQ:

[one line]
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP 
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--
\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP 
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
[one line]

Could you tell me why there needs to be two sets of double quotes
around the regular expression:

%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--
\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)""

and:

%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""

and this:

%SUBPATT=""3""

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Re: RegExp Question

[Brian Clark]

Hello Januk, 

(JA == "Januk Aggarwal") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> ... from the "Strip PGP Signatures" example
>> in the Macros section of the FAQ:

>> [one line]
>> %quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP 
>SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--
>> \s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP 
>SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
>> [one line]

>> Could you tell me why there needs to be two sets of double quotes
>> around the regular expression.



JA> This is because these three macros are arguments to the %Quotes macro,
JA> and the delimiters for the %QUOTES macro is single double quotes.
JA> Therefore a different delimiter needs to be used, and so double double
JA> quotes were used.
 
OK, then this should be equivalent to the original, right?

[one line]
%quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP 
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--
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[one line]

I should probably just be trying this myself..

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Re: Quick Template query.

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(S == "SyP") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Chris>> Thanks. BTW, if I save to CD can I set file attributes on a
Chris>> written CD to be not read only?

S> I don't think it's possible, but most filemanagers (FAR, Windows
S> Commander at least) have a "clear read-only from CD" option.
S> Explorer, on the other hand...

FYI, you can also do it with Properties Plus (Free):

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/cool/kish/pplusmain.htm

It just adds another option in your right-click menu. If you choose
'Properties Plus' over a folder, you have to option of making the
changes to all subfolders and files.

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Re: [Opera-users] Re:Unicode & TB!'s Browser

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(TF == "Thomas Fernandez") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

TF>>> Is this going to be part of a new editor, or just a viewer?

ST>> The new editor is being developed too :-)

TF> Thanks for clarifying this. We are looking forward to what you are
TF> brewing up! :-)

TF> I assume this will be a plug-in to v2, as external editors will be
TF> allowed, as you said in the infamous interview (which everybody will
TF> quote you on for as long as you live )?

Could someone please define "plugin" here? Are we talking about a DLL,
like the PGP library that is available for download, when you say
plugin?

When you say "external editors," what exactly do you mean? I
suppose developers can license commercial editors to incorporate into
their applications (as a component?), but I take that to mean, "I
can use my favorite editor to compose my messages within TB!."

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Re: [Opera-users] Re:Unicode & TB!'s Browser

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Hello Thomas, 

(TF == "Thomas Fernandez") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> When you say "external editors," what exactly do you mean? I
BC>> suppose developers can license commercial editors to incorporate into
BC>> their applications (as a component?), but I take that to mean, "I
BC>> can use my favorite editor to compose my messages within TB!."

TF> That's what I mean; that's how I understand the result of our
TF> discussions about a year ago. Did you read The Interview? It should be
TF> somewhere on the FAQ page. ;-)

Yes, I read it in the FAQ quite a while ago, it just wasn't that
clear. I forgot all about it until I saw this thread.

"Version 2 will have an alternative editor which will be fully
compatible with Windows editors, but it will have extra features like
optional virtual space. It might even just be a plugin."

P.S. 1.48g is in Beta.

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Re: Blocking mail from specific sender?

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(S == "Susanne") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> Check selective download section at sorting office, but that will slow
>> down  the  session,  because  if  at  least one rule present, TB! will
>> download  all headers first, then aplly filters and only after that it
>> will start downloading.

S> Thanks for the advice!

S> So, I have a choice between slow downloads because of this person
S> sending huge attachments to a mailing list or slow downloads
S> because of the filter ?

Well, in that case (attachments), you could just go into Account
Properties / Mail Management / and check "Receive message header only
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Re: Blocking mail from specific sender?

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(S == "Susanne") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> Well, in that case (attachments), you could just go into Account
>> Properties / Mail Management / and check "Receive message header only
>> if size is greater than ___ "

S> I had heard this doesn't always work well (meaning the actual
S> message/attachment is deleted, even if you want to download it later).
S> There are some large attachments in private mails that I *do*
S> want to receive.

It shouldn't delete anything. It should just send you the headers if
the message is over X bytes. Then you can decide if you want the whole
thing.

S> Can anyone let me know what their experiences with this function
S> are?

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Re: Blocking mail from specific sender?

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ACM> It's just that if you enable deletion of mail from the server
ACM> after download in the account properties, the messages that
ACM> exceed your size limit will also be deleted from the server.

Oops! I forgot about that.

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Re: Blocking mail from specific sender?

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Hello A., 

(CM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ACM> Be careful with this option!!! If you wish to be able to download
ACM> large attachments via the dispatcher while restricting the
ACM> initial download of large attachments, *do not* enable 'delete
ACM> received messages from server'. You will lose all your large
ACM> attachments.

As you can tell, I don't use the 'if over X bytes' feature. The first
time it happens without prior warning, I politely tell the sender I'll
knock them out and tattoo 'Satan's Spawn' on their forehead if the do
it again (I'm at 21 kbps dialup at home).

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Re: Close/open all threads

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Hello Jannik, 

(JL == "Jannik Lindquist") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JL> I seem to be unable to open/close all threads in a folder with the
JL> "Ctrl + *"-shortcut. The reason for this could be that I am using
JL> TB with danish keyboards. But I suspect that the reason is that I
JL> do not understand this type of shortcut.

Try Ctrl + * (on the numerical keypad)

Unless you have tiny hands, it should quickly become second
nature. 

I'm using an M$ Natural Elite keyboard, so the distance may be
shorter.

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Re: API? ;)

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Hello Thomas, 

(TF == "Thomas Fernandez") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MPW>>> Is there any plan to expose an API for plug-in type
MPW>>> development?

KJ>> Ahhh... no.

TF> Err.. yes. Plug-ins will be possible in version 2. Everybody will be
TF> invited to write his or her plug-ins and offer it to the list - I
TF> expect we will have to make a new list for plug-in related issues.

I'm very much looking forward to this (but how much forward is v2?).

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Re: how use The Bat for news...?

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(KA == "K.A.") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

KA> So, I can't read any news group by TB?

No. Not yet. I think some have mentioned that the authors were looking
into this for version 2. I'm not positive.

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OT: misc questions from a new TB! user

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AGSAA> smtpspy: 94: aborting monitoring engine... done
AGSAA> smtpspy: 04: exit 0
AGSAA> Hello!

Just out of curiosity, what the heck is that above, `Hello!'? :-)

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Re: message.att?

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Hello Marck, 

(MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JS>> I received an e-mail with an attachment from a friend. The
JS>> attachment (a word document) was saved in The Bat as
JS>> "message.att" and unreadable.

JS>> Is the attachment wrongly decoded but the Bat or is the sender
JS>> which is the problem?

MDP> The problem (as ever) is Micro$oft. This is a proprietary
MDP> attachment format for Outlook and Exchange users. There is a
MDP> freeware decoder

FYI, I've been getting these types of attachments from Eudora users as
well. It's a Royal PITA.

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Re: message.att?

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Hello Karin, 

(KS == "Karin Spaink") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MDP>>> The problem (as ever) is Micro$oft. This is a proprietary
MDP>>> attachment format for Outlook and Exchange users. There is a
MDP>>> freeware decoder

>> FYI, I've been getting these types of attachments from Eudora users as
>> well. It's a Royal PITA.

KS> .att files from Eudora users? I have used Eudora for five
KS> years and never saw an .att file that originated from me.

KS> I have, however, seen encrypted messages arrive in that
KS> way: when the encrypted message itself was the attachment.
KS> Some kind of *nix programs sometimes do it that way.

Well, yes, when I get them, I get two attachments. One of them is a
file with a single line: Version: 1.0. And the next attachment is an
encrypted message.

But, when I was using Eudora, I only saw .ems files from users using,
say, Mutt who PGP signed their email.

KS> - K -

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Re: OT question about PGP

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Hello Dave, 

(DG == "Dave Gorman") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

DG> 1) Do I understand correctly that for email encryption both the
DG> sender and the receiver need to be using PGP?

Yes. Unless you're using SDA's (Self Decrypting Archives) or one of
the participants is using GnuPG (GNU Privacy Guard) (I think the two
work fine together).

DG> 2) Does anyone have any suggestions for very basic introductory
DG> material on PGP?

PGP-Basics is a good start.

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Re: Thought on TB Help Files

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Hello Tim, 

(TM == "Tim Musson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ME>>in need of an updated help file equal to the German one!

TM> Is the German one in good shape? All we would need is a
TM> translation (not that I could do it, but it would be *much* easier
TM> to translate than write )?

We could run it through Bable Fish <http://babel.altavista.com/>.
Now *that* would be interesting.

(Yes, that was a joke. :-))

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Re: "Next" message button

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Hello Reuven, 

(R == "Reuven") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

R> In all Netscape mail clients, there is a "Next" button on the tool
R> bar, so after previewing an email I can click on it and go the next
R> message. Is there a way to accomplish the same in The Bat? (version
R> 1.49)

One way is to: Ctrl+] or Ctrl+[

R> Also the bar above the message preview window (the one that shows
R> "from" "to" and "subject" takes about an inch of space. In Netscape
R> it is a part of the message, thus when I scroll down it disappears.
R> Is there a way to do something about it without just removing this
R> info all together

Try the View menu or View -> Message Header depending on your view
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Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...

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Hello solid, 

(ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> 
>> Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.)
>> 
ss>   ..Thomas said.
 
ss>  What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't
ss>  use HTML mail..!

Heheh, no no. He was just using pseudo-HTML to enclose a `thought.'

What Thomas did is harmless, and most certainly not HTML. :)

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Re: TB for Linux

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(ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ss> Is there any project, the bat for linux ? people in linux is
ss> always search and searching..Email Clients, that have "little"
ss> goodness,

Follow some of the old threads about this in the archives. It's be
discussed once or twice since I've been a member (since 1.47
Halloween):

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There's probably more; just look around.

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Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...

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Hello Lija, 

(L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

L> For newbies it is not useless, sure, but it BECOMES very useless
L> and ANNOYING when you have to read it in every post.

By any chance do you have RFC-822 Headers checked in the view menu? is
this what you mean? If so, you can uncheck it (or Ctrl+Shift+K) to
turn it off.

If not, I don't see anything annoying about From, Reply-to, To,
and Subject (I have Created enabled too, because I prefer not to view
it in its own column, but I need to see it sometimes).

If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're
seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand what
you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd have to
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Re: Share about Quick Template

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Hello solid, 

(ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ss> I don't know which better, send by email or attach it to sender. I
ss> prefer attach it, So Attach here..to mail, bottom I will send also
ss> my QT if you want..!

Just a wild guess here, but either:

a) You forgot to attach a file. Or..

b) The list software automatically removes
   any attachments that are sent to the list.

A much better approach would be to describe what your template does
and..

a) Ask members to email you for a copy. Or..

b) Upload it to an FTP site or WWW directory
   and provide us with the link.

c) Just cut and paste it into the message
   itself and send away..

   :-)

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Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...

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L> Oh Jesus... here we go again:

SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list.





L> Does this look like From/Reply-To/Subject etc. fields:

No, it doesn't.

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L> A bit of mess, right? :)

Yes. And the funny thing is, I don't see ANY of that unless I press
Ctrl+Shift+K

The footer has already been explained.

BC>> If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're
BC>> seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand
BC>> what you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd
BC>> have to scroll 3 feet.

L> Indeed my friend, indeed...

Then press Ctrl+Shift+K, or uncheck: View \ RFC-822 Headers

I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon.

*Brian goes to sleepy land*

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Re: Quick Search closing

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L> Is there any shortcut to close Quick Search dialog-box?

When it's still in focus, you can hit ESC.

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Re: Quick Search closing

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L> Thank you and all of you who responded. How stupid I was... :(((

No, wasn't stupid, you just didn't know. ESC closes most, if not all?,
such things in TB!. For example, since I don't use message Preview, I
bang  on ESC or DEL all day to close message windows -- as well as
the Address Book, Account Properties, and Message Finder. I'm also
used to hitting ESC in Unix/Linux shells for command line completion
(Esc Esc, a.k.a bang, bang).

Pretty handy.

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Re: Speel Checker

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Hello Thomas, 

(T == "Thomas") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

T> How do I delete the wrong entries again?

I'm sure someone will pipe up with the definitive answer here, but you
can try backing up the UserDic.TLX file (or the whole TB! directory
itself) in the speller directory, then try editing the wrong entries
out. I have no clue whether or not that file type needs any special
care though.

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Re: Speel Checker

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Hello Marck, 

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T>> How do I delete the wrong entries again?

MDP> Open a message edit window then use the menu to access Spell
MDP> Checker / Dictionaries. You can delete words from there.

ROTF. A big 'Duh' in my direction, Thomas. You learn something new
every day. :)

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Re: Editing messages

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s>  I was trying to to a cut and paste within a message
s>  and to my dismay Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-X do not work!

Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V and Ctrl+X work perfectly over here in the editor.

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Re: Quick Search closing

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Hello Allie,

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> I bang  on ESC or DEL all day to close message windows -- as
BC>> well as the Address Book, Account Properties, and Message Finder.

ACM> True. Now run a PGP signature check on someone

Is your key on any of the key servers? Yours came up as not found
(admittedly I don't have that many servers listed). I just grabbed it
from your machine.

ACM> and try using escape to close the popup notification window. It's
ACM> the exception I've found and I'm perplexed as to why this is so.

Yeah, it's kind of annoying after a while. I've gotten used to ALT+F4
to kill that after a glance. Nick Andriash and I were talking about
how we hope, soon, a new plug-in might display that
information inline, to replace all of the external acrobatics.

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Re: Quick Search closing

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Hello Allie,

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ACM> Ah, I see. I think that this window is peculiar to TB!. Anyone
ACM> else have a take on this?

I would say the PGPlog window is particular to PGP and is only called
by TB!. I remember seeing the PGPlog window long before I started
using TB!.

When I check your signature and I get the PGPlog window, I can see the
active PGPlog process which was started with c:\pgp\pgplog.exe.

If I close your verified signature (Alt+F4 PGPlog window), then I
WindowsKey+R and type in c:\pgp\pgplog.exe and Enter, I get the same
exact window, except this time it's empty.

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Re: Quick Search closing

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(GFS == "George F Schoelles") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

GFS> PGPlog window usually only pops-up only when decrypting an un-known
GFS> key.  Yes it is a PITA that can be fixed by renaming pgplog.exe to
GFS> pgplog.ex! or alike.

Allie's key isn't unknown, in my case, and renaming pgplog.exe to
pgplog.ex! isn't a solution. When I do that, then TheBat! informs me
with a pop up dialog which states:

 'Can't Locate PGPlog!' (title bar)

  Good Signature
  TheBat!
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  1/23/01 8:48:36 AM

   [  OK  ]

So the title bar of that dialog obviously says that shouldn't happen.

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Re: Quick Search closing

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Hello George, 

(GFS == "George F Schoelles") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>>  'Can't Locate PGPlog!' (title bar)

GFS> Sounds like a TB Plug-in problem.

Not really, because the dialog proves it tried to find
c:\pgp\pgplog.exe, which of course I renamed.

To the contrary, it seems like the dialog was added in order to
prevent problems in the event that pgplog.exe couldn't be found.

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PGP, PGPlog and TB! [Was: Quick Search closing]

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Hello George, 

(GFS == "George F Schoelles") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> To the contrary, it seems like the dialog was added in order to
BC>> prevent problems in the event that pgplog.exe couldn't be found.

GFS> What version of PGP are you using?

6.5.8. Same thing happened with 6.0.2 I believe. You're using 7.x so
you're probably using PGPtray, which doesn't show that information in
the PGPlog window -- rather, it displays it inline, probably, in the
Text Viewer.

We just had a long discussion about this on PGP-Basics the other day.

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Re: PGP, PGPlog and TB! [Was: Quick Search closing]

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Hello George, 

(GFS == "George F Schoelles") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BC>> We just had a long discussion about this on PGP-Basics the other day.

GFS> I just this week went from 6.5.8CKT to 7.0.3 and never had the
GFS> problems you describe.  Personally, I think I would un-install PGP
GFS> (saving the key-rings).  Hunt down and destroy all the PGP*.* files,
GFS> reboot and re-install 6.5.8.

I don't think so. I just did this the other day, and, besides, Allie's
is doing the same thing. TB!'s PGP plug-in is _obviously_ looking for
pgplog.exe.

When you had 6.5.8 installed, exactly how did you verify signatures?

If you're using the PGPtray, you're not going to get the PGPlog pop up
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Re: PGP, PGPlog and TB! [Was: Quick Search closing]

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Hello George, 

(GFS == "George F Schoelles") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

GFS> That's back to where I said that I thought it was the Plug-in
GFS> causing the problem and I was told it wasn't.  Thus was further
GFS> trying to hunt out the culprit.

Yes. That what my original reply to Allie was all about. :)

..That it was TB!'s plug-in calling PGP's pgplog.exe in order to
verify signatures.

So I don't think it's necessarily a *problem* with the plug-in; rather,
it's just an issue with the way RIT Labs chose to handle it.

GFS> I have never like TB's plug-ins and do use the tray/Hot-keys
GFS> extensively.

I agree.

I upgraded to 6.5.8 in order to get the new Hotkeys functionality
(because I don't use message preview in TB!) so that I didn't have to
open a message, then hit Esc, then hit Ctrl+Shift+D to decrypt a
message.

That lead me to create a filter to assign a color group to an
encrypted message so that I didn't have to open it to see that it was
encrypted -- which allowed me to just hit Ctrl+Shift+D.

So I upgraded to 6.5.8. You have to keep PGPtray open in order to get
the Hotkeys functionality. By doing that, it changed the way PGP
worked with TB!. Instead of creating a new, decrypted message in the
message list, it insisted on decrypting the message and displaying it
in the Text Viewer.

So, I stopped using the PGPTray, went back to using my filter, and
hitting Ctrl+Shift+D to decrypt messages.

The drawback is, when I'm just verifying signatures, it pops up
PGPlog, and PGPlog can't be killed by Esc.

So... now that we've come full circle again, if we want to keep
this thread going, we can move it over to TBTECH.

:-)

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Re: Am I the only Frog using The Bat?

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Is it just me, or are all replies to this thread not threading?

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Re: Am I the only Frog using The Bat?

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Hello Kari, 

(KJ == "Kari Jakobi") [EMAIL PROTECTED] mumbled:

BC>> Is it just me, or are all replies to this thread not
BC>> threading?

Now, your reply is threading just fine, and mine came in right under
"solid snake's" as it's supposed to. But the others..

KJ> This thread is threading just fine here. There are others bugging
KJ> me off... i.e. on TBBETA: "Suggestion: Personal Filters"

I get the same thing with the thread over there as well..

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Re: Filtering/Sorting Forwarded and Redirected Messages

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Hello Gary, 

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GB> STOP SPAMING ME WITH THESE MESSAGES !!!



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Re: Filtering/Sorting Forwarded and Redirected Messages

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GB>> STOP SPAMING ME WITH THESE MESSAGES !!!

BC> 

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BC> Read those lines, and pay careful attention to the last one.

What is even more humorous is that I was able to see that because
Outlook simply ignored "dash dash space" at the end of the copy he
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Re: Reading confirmation templates

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Hello Marck, 

(MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] alleged:

MDP> David Elliott and I just noticed a bit of a horror in the default
MDP> reading confirmation template.

Speaking of reading confirmations, I've debated on setting up nasty
auto-replies for specific high traffic mailing lists for people that
insist on turning that on for _every_ single email they send -- even
after very polite suggestions off-list. (Not this list, I assure you,
because the average IQ on this list is slightly higher than that of a
Bat.)

My only fear, and the reason I haven't done this yet, is that some one
would to start considering these auto-replies as UCE, when they're
obviously not, and get myself black-holed.

Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the Bed this morning.

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Re: Can't download messages

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(DC == "David Cohen") [EMAIL PROTECTED] omened:

DC> That wasn't it, but everything seems to be working now. I had
DC> neglected to insert my user password for receive mail in
DC> Properties | Mail Transport.

This is yet another reason RIT Labs needs to address the "oops, you
forgot to enter a password, but we're not going to actually tell you
why you can't get your mail" problem, ASAP. This is the third such
email I've seen in a few months time. :)

There's no telling how many potential users downloaded, installed,
then uninstalled TB! -- while totally bypassing TBDUL -- because of a
such a simple problem with a simple solution.

(I almost sent this high-priority, and probably should have)

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Re: Can't download messages

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BC> then uninstalled TB! -- while totally bypassing TBDUL -- because

^

Ahhh, youknowwhatImeant!

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Re: Books to learn regular expressions?

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Hello Gerry, 

(GD == "Gerry Doyon") [EMAIL PROTECTED] inscribed:

GD> Can anyone recommend a good book to learn regular expressions? I
GD> think someone in this forum recommend the book from O'Reilly.

I had O'Reilly's _Mastering Regular Expressions_ (Owl book) for over a
year, but I've only read half of it. If I, a.k.a. Regular Expression
Gotcha Victim, had to recommend one, that one would be it.

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Re: Books to learn regular expressions?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Josh, 

(JR == "Josh Rogers") [EMAIL PROTECTED] engraved:

JR> What other applications is there for regex other than in TB? I
JR> understand Perl uses them, but anything else?

There are a ton of Unix/Linux tools that can use regular expressions.
In Windows, EditPlus can use them, and of course TB!. Those are the
only two in Windows that I use daily/weekly (although I could, and
should, be better at it). I connect to Unix machines via SSH all day
long and use egrep, perl, sh/bash, php (cgi and server module) and,
sometimes, sed and awk.

The owl book covers most of the Unix tools (at least all of the
above), but the principles are the usually same.

There's also a GNU Regular Expressions Document out there that should
be pretty easy to find on Google. If you can't find it, and you want a
copy, I can send it to you. But, the owl book is _much_ more gentile.

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Re: Books to learn regular expressions?

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Hello Gerd, 

(GE == "Gerd Ewald") [EMAIL PROTECTED] steered:

GE> A later chapter in that book describes Regex in Perl. AFAIK TB is
GE> written in Perl, so this book should describe Regex the way TB
GE> likes it.

No, TB! is written in Delphi (5?).

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hello Krister, 

(KE == "Krister Ekstrom") [EMAIL PROTECTED] disclosed:

KE> Hi Bat! people!
KE> Have upgraded a while back to v1.49 and when i tried to go into the
KE> sorting office, that menu choise had vanished, nothing under the
KE> accounts menu for sorting office. Some other menus have vanished too,

This one smacked me in the face, too, a few weeks ago. ;)

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/

And everything should be back to normal.

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Re: Confirm imap support

[Brian Clark]

Hello Andrew, 

(AH == "Andrew Hodgson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] conveyed:

AH> Other than the bats other rfc deficiencies, can we confirm/deny that
AH> tb supports imap in the following way:

I don't use IMAP, but AFAIK TB! supports it (to what degree, I don't
know). In account properties, one of the protocols listed is IMAP4.

AH> P.S.  For a real imap client, try Mulberry, Pegasus etc.

What is this? Some sort of Troll? Why do people quarrel over MUA's and
editors and browsers and operating systems. Just use what you want;
who cares?

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Re: shortcut for checking mail outside TB!

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Hello Hilary, 

(HF == "Hilary Franklin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] mumbled:

HF> A friend of mine who uses TB mentioned that there was a shortcut
HF> (keyboard, I assume) that allows you to check your e-mail via TB
HF> even if you're working in another program but have it minimized. Of
HF> course, now he can't recall it from memory . . .

I set a custom hot-key combo for this in Options -> Define System
Hot-Keys. I set it to Ctrl+M because I'm a former Eudora user. It
seems to work outside of TB! for me, but the usual F2 and Alt+F2
don't.

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Re: How do I "read in" a file

[Brian Clark]

Hello net5zero, 

(nnn == "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") [EMAIL PROTECTED] imparted:

nnn> How do I read a text file on my hard drive into my New message
nnn> that I am writing -- so that I don't have to open the text file,
nnn> then copy and paste? I don't want to attach the file.

You can either include it in a template using (I think) %INCLUDE or
%PUT (it's in the help file under 'Macros' or 'Template Macros.' The
alternative would be to Edit -> Paste From...

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