Re: Outlook Calendar emails

[Maurice Snellen]

Hi Tom,

> On 6 Jul 2018, at 04:33, Tom  wrote:
> 
> I  don't  need  any function to add these to a calendar or similar but
> just  would  like  to  be able to read the content of the email easily
> without all the added "background info. Is
> there anything I can do about this?
> 
> Please see below an example:
> 
>> BEGIN:VCALENDAR
>> PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 14.0 MIMEDIR//EN
>> VERSION:2.0
>> METHOD:REQUEST
>> X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE
>> BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
>> TZID:AUS Eastern Standard Time
>> BEGIN:STANDARD
>> DTSTART:16010401T03
>> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=4
>> TZOFFSETFROM:+1100
>> TZOFFSETTO:+1000
>> END:STANDARD
>> BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
>> DTSTART:16011007T02
>> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=10
>> TZOFFSETFROM:+1000
>> TZOFFSETTO:+1100
>> END:DAYLIGHT
>> END:VTIMEZONE
>> BEGIN:VEVENT
>> ATTENDEE;CN=t.com.au;RSVP=TRUE:mailto:xxx.com.au
>> ATTENDEE;CN="Txxe";RSVP=TRUE:mailto:com.au
>> CLASS:PUBLIC
>> CREATED:20180705T065330Z
>> DESCRIPTION:Gentlemen\, just a diary note for our Tuesday get together. I c
>> an’t live without these things in my Outlook. Can reschedule time of day
>> if required\, so I’ve set a reminder for first thing in the morning for
>> us all.\n\nRegards\nEddie\n
>> DTEND;TZID="AUS Eastern Standard Time":20180710T15
>> DTSTAMP:20180705T065330Z
>> DTSTART;TZID="AUS Eastern Standard Time":20180710T13
>> LAST-MODIFIED:20180705T065330Z
>> ORGANIZER;CN="xxxs":mailto:xxx.com.au
>> PRIORITY:5
>> SEQUENCE:0
>> SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-au:Eddie - first week thoughts
>> TRANSP:OPAQUE
>> UID:04008200E00074C5B7101A82E008A02B84B38014D401000
>> 01000B1DC1B048952AB4D82F1B56B617985CF
>> X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html: N">>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>Gentlemen\, just a diary note for our Tuesday get together. I can’t 
>> live without these things in my Outlook. Can reschedule time of day if req
>> uired\, so I’ve set a reminder for first thing in the morning for us all
>> .\n\n
>> Regards\n\n>Eddie\n\n\n>> 
>> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:TENTATIVE
>> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1
>> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY
>> X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE
>> X-MS-OLK-AUTOSTARTCHECK:FALSE
>> X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0
>> BEGIN:VALARM
>> TRIGGER:-PT360M
>> ACTION:DISPLAY
>> DESCRIPTION:Reminder
>> END:VALARM
>> END:VEVENT
>> END:VCALENDAR

These are called iCalendar files, normally saved in .ics files and usually they 
should look like an attachment of this type. The format is similar to vCard 
files, except that they contain calendar items instead of address book items.

Maybe they can come up with a viewer for these that displays the most important 
information like subject, description, localised date and time, attendees 
(people invited) and whether it is a recurring appointment, like this one. You 
can tell by the RRULE lines which indicate a yearly recurrence on the first 
Sunday of april and oktober.

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Import problem

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers:

I am having difficulties importing some mail. I am taking over the job
of someone who uses Windows Live Mail. At his place I have exported the
mail folders that I need to a file folder on my external disk.

Directly importing this from the file folder into TB! does not seem to
be an option. After installing Windows Live Mail and importing it there,
I was able to export it to my work Outlook and then import it into TB!
but for some strange reason, TB! insists that all mails were created at
the time they were imported instead of at the time indicated in the
mail. In Outlook, the Sent and Received dates for the mails are listed
properly.

What is the best way to import these mails without losing the correct
date-information?

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Re: Migrating to IMAP?

[Maurice Snellen]

Note added.
-- 
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Migrating to IMAP?

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers:

I'm considering migrating to IMAP, but I'd like to keep all the mail
that is currently downloaded locally to my TB! in a POP3 account.

As I have several hundreds of folders and rules, this is quite an
effort, so before I embark on this journey, I'd like to ask two things.

1) is there a 'best practice' as to how to go about this?

2) is there a way to have rules that auto-create folders for mails to be
sorted into, to create IMAP ones. I've noticed that if I copy the rule
from my POP3 account to my IMAP version, autocreated folders are local
and not IMAP and I can't see a way to change them.

Because there are several rules in my setup that make use of this
feature, this could well be a show-stopper for me. If this cannot be
amended, I will probably not even try going to IMAP.

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Re: Accidently Deleted Junk Folder

[Maurice Snellen]

On Wednesday, April 14, 2010 at 21:17 (which was Thursday, April 15,
2010 at 06:17 where I am) Tim Hamm wrote:

> I accidently deleted my Junk folder and would like to be able to bring
> it back but what is the procedure for doing so? I guess I could
> recreate the folder but how do I get the icon back?

Create a new folder and call it $JUNK$


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Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, September 10, 2007 at 18:00 Roelof Otten wrote:

> Apart from %ABFromPhone you can use any address book macro, like
> %ABFromE-mail, I just used the Phone entry, because I don't use that
> and I wouldn't like folder names with email addresses, but YMMV.

I actually changed the 'Known' filter a bit to do what I want with this.
Everyone I regularly communicate with is in my addressbook. I like to
keep conversations with people in my AB together, so after all the
filters that handle lists, newsletters and whatmore, I have the 'Known'
filter at the bottom that splits out all remaining incoming mails to
folders named after the full name of the person as it is registered in
my AB. Because this list would get too large, I've also made it to
create an intermediate level of folders based on the first letter.

\\HyperCube 
Maurice\Bekenden\%SETPATTREGEXP("(.)")%REGEXPBLINDMATCH(%ABFROMNAME)%SUBPATT(1)\5C%ABFROMNAME

Where 'HyperCube Maurice' is my account name, and 'Bekenden' is the mail
folder under which I want these user-linked folders to be created.

A similar filter exists in my outgoing filters list, which of course
uses %ABTONAME to make outgoing mails to contacts in my AB also go to
their personal folder. The folders are set to have a threaded so I can
easily follow conversations there too, just like with mailing lists.

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Re: Accessing AB information

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 21:51 Richard Wakeford wrote:

> I put the ones I want to send the same message to in a separate group
> and then do a File/mass mailing.

I think you misunderstand. This is how I go about the mailing itself
too, but my question is about the content of the mailing that I'm
creating. I've made a QT that, in part, looks like this:

-- Persoonlijk --
Titel/aanhef: %ABTONAMEPREFIX
Voornaam: %ABTOFIRSTNAME
Tussenvoegsel...: %ABTOMIDDLENAME
Achternaam..: %ABTOLASTNAME
Achtervoegsel...: %ABTONAMESUFFIX

Which produces an overview of the contents of the addressbook entry
for the addressee currently processed by the mailing.

The problem is that %ABTOEMAIL only outputs the first e-mail address
entered in the field, and I'd like to display the entire contents of
this field in the overview.

Is there any way to get the full contents of the e-mail field from the
AB into a mail?

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Accessing AB information

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers:

I know there are a lot of fields to access information in the
addressbook, but I've noticed that I can only get at the first e-mail
address with the %ABTOEMAIL macro.

I'm prepairing a mailing to send to a number of my contacts to ask
them if the information I have listed for them is correct/complete and
would like to access the complete contents of this field. Is there any
way to get at this?

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Re: threading configuration

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 19:35 Jonathan Vangrootloon [JV]
wrote:

JV> Yes, but it doesn't work. The replies of only one member of the
JV> list are detected as being in the same thread. But thanks for the
JV> idea !

Most likely, it will be very difficult, if not impossible to fix this.
With all the possible variations that mailinglist software and
people's e-mail clients might use to 'munge' the original subject, it
is a sheer impossible task for the receiving end to try and make heads
or tails from it.

With each attempt to make TB! better at recognizing 'likewise'
subjects, there is an increased risk of connecting unrelated messages
to some other thread simply because the subjects look enough alike
now.

As suggested by Stuart, threading by references really is the way to
go. The only problem being that some e-mail clients don't honor them.
Most notably, my experience shows that people using the following will
always cause mails to look as if they were new threads:

* Hotmail (unless used with OE or some Hotmail popper)
* AOL
* Earlier versions of Eudora (ie. 2.1.2)
* MS Outlook in combination with Exchange (the problem is Exchange)
* Novell GroupWise (the problem is the GroupWise Internet Agent)
* Webmail interfaces from several providers

There are, of course, also examples of things that _do_ work properly,
and probably the only thing you can do is ask people to consider
switching to a different or more recent version of their e-mail
software or using an e-mail account from a provider whose webmailer
doesn't strip the references/in-reply-to headers.

As for webmail, luckily the yahoogroups interface works properly and
if I'm not mistaken providers using webmail based on SquirrelMail are
also in the clear.

Other than this I don't have much experience with free e-mail
providers through webmail; others may be able to comment on their
experiences and that might give you some information to steer people
in that group in the right direction.

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Re: Using Thawte Certificates

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 16:30 (which was Tuesday, September
14, 2004 at 17:30 where I am) Barry Wilkinson [BW] wrote:

BW> Can anyone tell me how to use/import a Thawte Personal Freemail
BW> certificate into The Bat! for use with s/mime?

Just proceed with getting your certificate from Thawte for either IE
or any other browser you normally use. Then, after you have completed
the whole process, go into the certificate manger of the browser and
export the newly received certificate to a file. Don't forget to put a
strong password on the file, as you'll be exporting the private key as
well.

Then, from The Bat! you can import the certificate from the file you
exported it to.

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 20:19 (which was Thursday, August 26,
2004 at 10:19 where I am) Allister Jenks wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> ...without specifying "mailto:"; at the front, TB! realises it is an
> email address and highlights it as such.

True. My guess is that there is a limit to the length before the @
sign or the total length for TB! to consider it an e-mail address.

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 19:02 (which was Thursday, August 26,
2004 at 9:02 where I am) Allister Jenks wrote:

> Any idea why TB! does not recognise the following as a mailto: ?

Well, in all actuality, it isn't a 'mailto:' considering the string
'mailto:' isn't part of it. It is a string of characters containing an
'@'-sign that might or might not be an e-mail address or
'mailto:'-uri.

Written like this:



it is recognized and immediately useable.

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Re: Anyone caught Bagel?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 22:11 (which was Thursday, March 25,
2004 at 17:11 where I am) Thomas Fernandez wrote:

J>> What interested me though is this is the first I have read of a
J>> trojan that is looking for TB! data files in addition to the typical
J>> victims.

> While that is trur, I am not quite sure how you can get hit by that
> virus using TB.

There are several wormvirusses out now that have .tbb and .abd listed
as the files they will scan for e-mail addresses. While TB! protects
us against the problems that the IE HTML-rendering in Outlook
(Express) causes, there is no way any kind of software can protect
against user stupidity.

The recent versions of Bagle/Beagle and Netsky exhibit carefully
wrought 'social engineering' to lure the unsuspecting end user to open
the included attachment and run whatever is in there.

Moreover, even though I use TB! as my main e-mail application, I still
have several others installed in order to be able to help others
(friends, people who get mail through my server) with their
applications. Thus, it could happen accidentally to someone who is in
a similar situation and didn't patch windows up completely and isn't
running a local virus scanner that they could get hit by something and
then it would still be advantageous for the worm to be able to gather
addresses from the address books of other software.

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Re: POP3 over SSL

[Maurice Snellen]

On Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 01:07 (which was Wednesday,
February 18, 2004 at 2:07 where I am) Tb [T] wrote:

T> And where would I set these options? I have looked in Transport,
T> Authentication, but all I can see is a fe MD5 options, no StartTTLS

In this dialog, both 'Send' and 'Receive' have an option 'Connection'
which has a selection list after it. By default it says 'Regular'
there, but they can also be set to 'Secure to regular port (STARTTLS)'
or 'Secure to specific port (TLS)'.

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Re: POP3 over SSL

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, February 16, 2004 at 23:19 (which was Tuesday, February 17,
2004 at 0:19 where I am) Michael Thompson [MT] wrote:

MT> Trouble is that I dont think TB Supports this. Can any one confirm
MT> if it does or does not support SSL, or am I just being thick?

Yes it does. The Bat! supports both SMTP and POP3 over SSL and does so
both to specific ports as well as by using the so called 'STARTTLS'
methods available for both protocols.

I'm using these myself to my own server to make sure no-one can
eavesdrop on my POP3 and SMTP traffic from my laptop to my server and
it works very well.

Mind you that if the server uses a self-signed certificate you'll need
to add the CA to the 'trusted root ca' address book in order for this
to work.

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Re: application/ms-tnef

[Maurice Snellen]

On Friday, January 16, 2004 at 03:17 (which was Friday, January 16,
2004 at 2:17 where I am) Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

> As long as it's a non-profit development, it doesn't matter :-)

On the other hand, Novell supports TNEF attachments in its GroupWise
Internet Gateway nowadays. That makes for at least one example of a
commercial organization supporting the format.

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Re: BugTrack Bug?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 13:16 (which was Tuesday, January 13,
2004 at 19:16 where I am) Chris [C] wrote:

C> Has anyone else been getting BugTrack e-mail messages in Russian?
C> My language is set to English.

I have too, and my language preference is also set to English. It
seems to depend on who made the last update to the bugtrack item;
apparently you get the message in the language that is prefered by the
person who last updated it.

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Re: Copying Quick templates across accounts

[Maurice Snellen]

On Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 19:10 (which was Thursday, January
1, 2004 at 1:10 where I am) Allie Martin wrote:

> Which file is it that I copy across?

Like Thomas said, ACCOUNT.QTN; you need to watch out for QT's that
you've set to share with other accounts though, as you will get error
messages if you have even just one of those and switch between the
accounts with the duplicates.

I myself prefer building QT's that are as account-independant as
possible and just set all of them as 'shared' which makes them
available to all accounts without having to copy over anything.

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Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 09:51 Edgar wrote:

> Although the help here in this group is great, It should not need
> to exist. There should be a good help system. Companies do not
> have the time to read loads of mailing list to find out how the
> e-mail client works.

I will probably never cease to be amazed by the apparently omnipresent
expectation that all software must be either self evident or otherwise
self explanatory.

In most every profession where some kind of tool is used, it is
accepted that initially people need to learn how to use the tool
unless such use is trivial.

Business e-mail is, in my opinion, not a trivial tool. Just like
business correspondence is not a trivial tool in doing business. I've
heard of secretaries who are required to follow a course in official
Dutch correspondence which is an evening course of several hours per
week for a duration of 39 weeks.

So, can someone explain why it is that a company pays money to have a
secretary learn correspondence, but expects that same secretary to be
able to properly use e-mail without any instruction or guidance? Or is
it just that nobody cares.

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Re: The Bat! v.2.02.3 overwhelmed

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 19:43 Edgar wrote:

> TBNLUDL?

> Do you have some links to join and the home site?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] will get you on the list (after
answering the confirmation request). There is no homepage in Dutch as
of yet (that I know of).

By the way, I'm the hoster/moderator of the Dutch TB! list.

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Re: Follow-up header?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, December 15, 2003 at 23:53 Edgar wrote:

> In a mailing list where I'm a member, they want to post for every
> message a single mail.

> So replies to a message must not go under that mail, but it must
> go into a new mail.

I would suggest finding a different mailinglist to discuss the topic
as this is a very strange requirement for any mailinglist.

Other than that, I don't think there is any way to have TB! remove the
In-Reply-To and/or References headers when replying to a message. All
I can think of is manually selecting the original text, creating a new
message and alt-shift-ins (paste as quote) the copied text.

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Re: Help with View Modes

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 23:31 (which was Sunday, December 14,
2003 at 17:31 where I am) Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> I don't know other software with view mode capabilities like this
> new version of TB, so I'll pass.

I do. Novell's GroupWise has something similar, but the implementation
is different and does not have a 'global' setting.

Actually, TB! way of doing things has much more options than the way
it is done in GroupWise.

GroupWise only knows about folder-specific and named settings. There
is no 'account default' or 'parent' setting available. Also, there is
no way in GroupWise to apply a certain View mode to multiple folders
at once, one needs to open the folder properties of each folder,
switch to the correct tab, and select the view mode manually.

Now, that doesn't mean there is nothing that is good about GroupWise's
way of handling this feature. Instead of a context menu that selects a
global viewmode, the context menu of the message headings allows
changes to the configuration of the currently selected viewmode or
folder specific settings such as adding new columns by selecting them
from the drop-down menu (limited set with all others available through
'other columns' which invokes GroupWise's equivalent of the View mode
configuration dialog). Also, in GroupWise it is possible to drag and
drop the column headings to re-arrange them or remove them from the
list of visible columns.

If this were implemented instead of the dropdown with the globally
applied View mode that is so easily misunderstood, the feature would
gain useability while reducing the confusion thus killing two birds
with one stone.

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Re: K9 filter rules for TB!

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 06:00 (which was Tuesday, November
18, 2003 at 15:00 where I am) Darrin [D] wrote:

D> I have a spam folder set up, but wish to create a filter rule
D> for"X-Text-Classification: spam " Im not sure what kind of rule to
D> make?

Have the filter search for ^x-text-classification:\sspam in Kludges
and activate the option for regular expressions on the Options tab.

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Re: ðÏÄÔ×ÅÒÖÄÅÎÉÅ ÄÏÓÔÁ×ËÉ ÐÉÓÅÍ

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, October 20, 2003 at  (which was Monday, October 20, 2003 at
21:43 where I am) Michael L. Cusac wrote:

> AFAIK, they are right about the RFCs, but I am amazed that they
> stand on that technicality on this issue. I'd think they would
> support 8-bit because their customers require it (and because the
> RFCs permit it).

As it happens, this problem will be resolved shortly. I just received
a mail from my ISP that this Wednesday they will be upgrading the
mailservers to something that will support 8bit characters in mail.

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Re: Подтверждение доставки писем

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 11:54 (which was Sunday, October 19,
2003 at 20:54 where I am) Mark Wieder [MW] wrote:

MW> This is very cool. I didn't realize I could display Cyrillic
MW> characters without changing the language set.

I don't see any of them except in the subject, the firs message came
out like this here (partially):


VE>.
VE> ?   
VE>  (TheBat!)   " "  
VE>,   
VE> . 
VE> .,   ,   "
VE> ", :( ( 
VE> )., ,  ,
VE>   SMTP-( KievWeb) 
VE>   ().


The reason? This:

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

My ISP's mailserver strips any and all characters from e-mail that
have the 8th bit set. Thus, in order to receive messages properly, I
need to have mail sent to me in either Quoted-Printable of Base64
encoding.

I've complained about it, but they insist that the RFC's don't require
mailservers to support 8-bit content and will not change it. And as
they are an otherwise excellent ISP, I have no intention of changing
ISP's because of this issue.

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Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading

[Maurice Snellen]

On Friday, October 3, 2003 at 06:41 (which was Friday, October 3, 2003
at 12:41 where I am) Dz-Jay [DJ] wrote:

DJ> Oh, now I've done it. Go ahead TB demi-gods, flame away. I'm
DJ> already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list.

If you want to be treated 'rude' and 'unfriendly', join the qmail
list; here people will still answer questions that have been asked a
thousand times, on the qmail list, they'll reply asking whether Google
and the list archives were down again.

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Re: ISO-8859-15 charset

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, September 29, 2003 at 23:29 Geir Bkholt [GB] wrote:

GB> MIME-Version: 1.0
GB> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
GB> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
GB> Subject: Re: ISO-8859-15 charset
GB> I have been struggling myself, trying to *make* theBat use
GB> ISO-8859-15, but i cannot seem to make it happen.

You just did.

GB> Does it have to do with it not being present in my xlat-tables ?
GB> Should it be there?

Hmm, what if you hit the 'Reset' button on the XLAT prefs dialog?

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Re: view threads by

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 02:24 (which was Sunday, September
28, 2003 at 9:24 where I am) Ken Green [KG] wrote:

KG> It appears that there may have been something to the "use account
KG> default settings" but I'm not sure.

It does.

For folders that do _not_ have the 'Use the account default column
settings' set, the column selections, the width of the columns, on
which column the mails are sorted and in which order as well as the
threading setting are folder-specific.

Folders that _do_ have the 'Use the account default column settings'
set, share the column selections, width of te columns, sorting column
and order and threading settings.

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Re: Templates

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 11:13 (which was Sunday, September
21, 2003 at 6:13 where I am) Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:

TF> Not from the vCard.

Quite some time ago I added a wishlist item for this to the
bugtracker:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001250

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Re: bug: in-reply-to not recognized

[Maurice Snellen]

On Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 01:33 Roelof Otten [RO] wrote:

RO> Something with bagend.shire as domain can't be correct, since
RO> there are no tld's containing more than four letters.

That is no longer so. There is now a tld called .museum

> dig -t NS museum.

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> -t museum. 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUERY SECTION:
;;  museum, type = NS, class = IN

;; ANSWER SECTION:
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  ns1.getty.edu.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  ns-ext.vix.com.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  ns.icann.org.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  nic.icom.org.
museum. 23h58m17s IN NS  nic.museum.

;; Total query time: 4 msec
;; FROM: vortex.anwb.nl to SERVER: default -- 193.172.132.10
;; WHEN: Tue Sep 23 16:04:54 2003
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 24  rcvd: 146

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Re: Hiding standart folders (while using MyGate NEWS gate)

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 12:22 (which was Tuesday, September
16, 2003 at 8:22 where I am) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:

AAG> Is it possibly to hide Inbox, Outbox, Trash, Inbox_Known, Sent Mail ?

Of these, you will only be able to get rid of 'Inbox - Known'. Before
removing it though, you'll need to change the '' filter to send
mails matching it to the regular Inbox. Then you can delete 'Inbox -
Known' and it will stay away too.

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Re: Addressbook question

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 at 14:46 (which was Tuesday, August 12,
2003 at 20:46 where I am) Steve M. Sawczyn [SMS] wrote:

SMS> I tried entering the addresses seperated by commas, but that
SMS> didn't seem to work.

You can put them on separate lines. Then on the last tab you can
select to have TB automatically add all but the first address to the
BCC field whenever you e-mail this person.

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Re: Can I copy views?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 19:25 (which was Sunday, July 27, 2003
at 1:25 where I am) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] wrote:

ST> It is also planned to make it possible to define various views (based
ST> on combination of the settings from the View menu) and switch between
ST> them quickly...

That would make me an extremely happy camper!

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Strange problem moving mail directory

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

I am on the board of a society that has a small office with two
employees. Being on the board is a voluntary job though. In order to
facilitate the two employees, I've set up a server that has the mail
on it. The server is a NetWare 6 server and the volume containing the
mail directories is mapped to drive Q: for the users.
Each user has their own named directory there, ie. Q:\Maurice for me
and Q:\Yvette for one of our employees.

The employee that does most of the mail work, Yvette, works on a
Windows 2000 workstation, which I've set up for her. She doesn't
really have an account with her name, but manages the general account
for our society. As a member of the board, I need to be able to
monitor that account as well, so in Win2k I've created multiple users
and set it up so that besides Yvette, I can also access the mail in
that directory.

At this office, I'm running 1.63r and not the beta by the way, as
listed in my sig.

Recently, because of problems I was having with the server hardware, I
was forced to move the mail from the NetWare server to the harddrive
of Yvette's Win2k workstation. I did this while being logged on as
myself because I needed the administrator rights to fix things in
several places.

After changing the apropriate values in the Registry ('Working
Directory'), I went back into The Bat! and all was well.

Then I switched to Yvette's login, changed the registry for her as
well and fired up The Bat! again, but now most of my folder structure
was missing. I was able to get them back using ctrl-alt-shift-l.
However, this only brings backs the folders and not their settings.

I have not yet tried to see what happens if I use my own account yet
(had to leave for work when this happened to me), but it does strike
me as odd that those settings should be gone when no beta version is
involved anywhere.

Any ideas?

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Re:Inline images (I know, I know...)

[Maurice Snellen]

On Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 15:23 (which was Wednesday, June 25,
2003 at 16:23 where I am) Steve Hill [SH] wrote:

SH> My question is this... why is this possible with this email but
SH> not with all the HTML newsletters and promotions I receive from
SH> the likes of Amazon, BBC, etc.

The Bat! will only show images in HTML view if these images were
included with the e-mail message. In addition to the .html you will
probably have a list of one or more images in the attachment list.

The Bat! protects you from inadvertant and unrequested connections to
the Internet (in case of dial-up) and call-back systems used by
certain spammers and advertisers by refusing to go on-line to get
images that are referenced externally and weren't included with the
e-mail.

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Re: TLS Connection

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 10:25 (which was Monday, June 16, 2003 at
19:25 where I am) Ben Mills [BM] wrote:

> The certificate is valid from June 2003-June 2006. You can view it at
> https://www.hwy39.net:80/mail .

OK, that had me jumping through some hoops as for (imho good) reason
of security Opera refuses https-connections to port 80. Had to use
Internet Explorer to get to this site; imported the certificate and it
displays OK. Exported it to DER-encoded X.509 so I could import in The
Bat!, which does indeed show the dates you saw in the log earlier.

Just for verification, I then imported the certificate that I exported
from IE into Opera to see what it showed and Opera shows yet another
set of dates: march 6, 15.01.47 2020 to june 6 14.01.47 2020.

I cannot determine what was used to generate this certificate, but it
would seem that the way the date is encoded in the certificate, is
ambiguous. I'll be using [EMAIL PROTECTED] (24-hour format) below.

Tool  IEThe Bat!  Opera
From  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47
To[EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47

It's almost as if bits of information got shifted around. Only Opera
shows the time to be listed in GMT; this could account for the '2'
difference in the time component. In the case of Opera, the year
(omitting the century) seems to have migrated to the month, the month
to the day, the day to the hours, the hours to the minutes and the
minutes to the seconds, discarding the original seconds.

The difference of 10 years in The Bat! eludes me, but I've never seen
a certificate behave this way. The fact that Opera too displays (yet
another set of) wrong dates for the certificate is in my opinion an
indication that something weird is happening with the certificate.

> Anyhow Eudora and a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all
> work with it fine.

Are they? I don't have either of these two handy so I can't check, but
how do they see the dates of the certificate. It could be that they
only check for expiration, which in the cases of both Opera and The
Bat! is way into the future here, so if an application doesn't take
the From date of the certificate into consideration, this could result
in 'working fine' when it actually just displays a flaw in those
applications.

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Re:TLS Connection

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 10:22 (which was Sunday, June 15, 2003 at
19:22 where I am) Ben Mills wrote:

> algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 15 Jun 2013 to 14 Jun 2016,
> for 1 host(s): mail.hwy39.net. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Owner:
> Ohio, Nashville, mail, mail.hwy39.net, mail.hwy39.net,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - This certificate is
> self-issued. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Invalid server certificate
> (This certificate is not yet valid).

Here's your problem, the certificate the server is presenting isn't
valid yet. It is reported to be valid from 15 June 2013 to 14 June
2016, and TB requires the certificate to be valid.

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Re:Multiple messages (was Re: Message Archive?)

[Maurice Snellen]

On Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 16:33 Jernej Simončič [JS] wrote:

JS> Am I the only one who got about 10 copies of Stuart's messages
JS> ("Re: Message Archive" and "Re: Sending signed messages")

Unfortunately, you're not.

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Re:SOT: How to kill Winmail.dat?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, June 1, 2003 at 18:00 (which was Sunday, June 1, 2003 at
8:00 where I am) Allister Jenks [AJ] wrote:

AJ> A guy who normally sends me <200k HTML emails, this time sent me a
AJ> whopping 1.5Mb email that had about 1.5k of text and a
AJ> Winmail.dat.

Welcome to the world of Microsoft.

AJ> I can see from snooping into the file it is created by Outlook and
AJ> I have asked him to deal with the problem.

The senders of mails with winmail.dat attachments are usually totally
unaware that their mail-client is sending these. Therefore, asking
them to deal with it will not usually render much result as they are
unaware that there is a problem. After all, they never see this
attachment on either incoming or outgoing mail.

AJ> However, I'd like to understand what this file is and, if
AJ> possible, how/why Outlook creates it and how to stop it.

Outlook incorrectly assumes that all recipients you are in contact
with are also using outlook. As soon as Outlook thinks it needs to
send additional information with an e-mail, or if the sender adds
attachments, these get encoded into MS/TNEF format which only
Microsoft's e-mail software recognizes (AFAIK, I have heard that the
new release of the GroupWise Internet Agent will support this,
apparently Novell decided to support this non-standard attachment type
to get rid of all the support calls I guess this must generate).

There is a tool called Fentun (http://www.fentun.com/) which is free
and which will allow you to open winmail.dat files and extract the
attachments stores within it. Note that smaller winmail.dat files
usually contain nothing but additional MS-proprietary mail attributes
and no attachments, in which case Fentun will show now file-list.

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Reply indicator after importing

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

This may be too much to ask, but I'm trying to find out if the
following is possible:

I've just installed The Bat! for a friend and imported his Outlook
Express mailbox (which worked beautifully). What he misses though is
the indicators on received mails that tell him whether or not he
replied to the mail.

Is there some kind of mass-mail option that we can use to get these
back and make the Open Reply (Ctrl-BkSp) feature work for these
messages.

I've managed to search for the reply-message, but that doesn't bring
the 'replied' indicator back.

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Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins

[Maurice Snellen]

On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 07:29:29 [GMT +0100] (which was
07:29 where I live) Chris Brouwer wrote:

CB> Still, I would rather have a virus scanner preventing an infected
CB> file even to reach my harddisk.

Well, the main problem with using TheBat! and an on-access scanner is
that it does exactly that. When TheBat! is downloading mail, it is
temporarily saved to a file in the %TEMP directory. If an on-access
scanner catches a virus there and blocks access to the file, TheBat!
can no longer process the message and to TheBat! the message remains
'undownloaded'; as a result, each time it checks for mail again, a new
warning will be received and short of using the Distpatcher to kill
the offending mail off the server, there is no other way to solve
this.

CB> On the other hand, I still would like to know how these TB plugins
CB> work, where to get them, etc. As much for technical curiosity as
CB> for trying to find out if I need to do more for my anti virus
CB> protection.

It would be nice to have a combination of both. Using the on-access
scanner for regular work, and the TB plugins for mailscan. One could
tell the on-access scanner to skip the %TEMP directory and install an
apropriate plug-in for the virus scanner; unfortunately, TB isn't the
only program that uses the %TEMP dir, and other programs like
news-software may use it to temporarily store incoming postings that
should still be scanned. In order to solve that, one should be able to
specify a TB specific %TEMP dir that could then be excluded without
wreaking havoc on other sw.

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Mailinglists that don't set reply-to

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

Does anyone have a killer solution to handle mailinglists which don't
use the Reply-To: header to direct replies back to the list? I just
recently joined a few lists that are running on ezmlm which doesn't do
this by default (I always modify that behaviour), and 'reply-to-all'
includes the 'Sender:' address as well which means I always end up
editing the To: and CC: manually to fix things. Moreover, the nicely
looking 'Peter Rabbit on SOMELIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' To: that
I get on lists with 'reply-to' because of my templates also doesn't
work for these lists.

Is there a way to fix this? (short of asking them to add the reply-to
which they probably won't do because I guess they're the ppl who are
fans of that well-known article that argues that adding/modifying the
reply-to in list-messages is 'evil')

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Large messages transformed into attachments

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

Has anyone else noticed that if the message text itself gets kind of
large (my estimate is that this happens when messages are larger
than half a MiB) TB! no longer displays the messagetext in the
messagepane but instead shows an empty messagepane and treats the
messagetext as an attachment?

The attachment shows as a text-file named "message.txt".

I'm using TB! to handle the postmaster mailbox at work, and regularly
receive return messages from bounced mail where the original is
inserted in the messagetext by the MTA and that sometimes results in
mails that easily exceed 15MiB.

Besides being annoying because I have to open these text files in
order to see what was the cause of the bounce; it also seems to
interfere with the filtering system because filters on the message
text are apparently not applied.

Does anyone know of a way to turn this behaviour (turning the message
into a message.txt attachment) off?

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Attachment riddle

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

At work I use TB! so help me get through the huge amount of mails that
comes in on the 'postmaster' account, simply because the filters are
the most powerful and allow me to sort most mail out so that there's
only a few left that I need to take a look at myself.

Some of my users have the bad habit of setting a rule in their
mailboxes (for all other purposes GroupWise is used as the company
mail system) to forward all incoming mail to their Hotmail or other
freemail mailboxes.

Regularly, this means that they try to send a mail with the 10MB new
quarterly report powerpoint presentation to these freemail addresses,
which of course bounce because they don't allow messages of that
magnitude.

Consistently these bounces, which include the original message copied
into them below the error message, appear in The Bat! as an empty
message with a single attachment called message.txt. This forces me to
doubleclick the file (holding my shift-key) to open it in my editor
before I can establish who the culprit is (we keep tabs on it so we
can warn users who regularly cause these bounces as it is inefficient
use of the Internet bandwidth we have).

However, if I press F9 on the message, the source viewer shows no
evidence whatsoever that the incoming mail actually has an attachment.
It seems therefore, that when the text-part of a message exceeds a
certain size, The Bat! decides to turn it into an attachment.

First of all I just considered this a minor nuisance, but since TB!
doesn't clean the \TEMP\BAT directory until it's closed, this thing
quickly starts to fill up with temporary textfiles as a result of
opening the 'message.txt' files, especially if you have about 40 of
them each weighing 15MB.

I also noticed however, that these messages seem to be excluded from
filters that are set to scan the body text of the message for the
occurrence of something. This is used by my filters to identify the
mails of people who repeatedly cause mail to bounce and where the only
identification is in the address the message was originally sent to,
which is then part of the errormessage of the mailserver that refused
the message.

So, the big question is: what is the threshold for this behaviour of
turning message-text into an attachment, and is there any way to turn
this off (and hopefully restore filtering of these messages as well)?

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New: Dutch The Bat! mailinglist

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

By popular request I've set up a mailinglist which will be the Dutch
The Bat! mailinglist.

To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

[Maurice Snellen]

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 20:03:33 [GMT -0600] (which was 4:03
where I live) Dwight A Corrin wrote:

H>>> "Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument."

>> I can confirm that

DAC> Not here. I just killed three dups in this folder successfully.

Please note, this bug only comes up if there is nothing to clean up.

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Re: quotestyles

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On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 11:14:50 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:14
where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Would clearly help with some mails from die-hard BBS users of
DH> olden tyme, who use { or [ or | and what not ...

I come from the BBS world too. Die hard bbs users should learn to
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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.

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On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 11:11:44 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:11
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H> "Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument."

As the translator who made the Dutch translation, it would be my place
to answer this.

I've noticed this bug myself as well. The reason is a typo that caused
'%d' to be in the translation instead of '%s' (the keys are next to
each other on the keyboard). The corrected .LNG file (with
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Re: Dutch TB! users?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 20:30:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 20:30
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M>   Does anyone know if there is a Dutch language TB! users list?

As indicated, the list that is currently available is a list that was
set up to discuss the Dutch translation of 'The Bat!' that I'm doing.
Also, as you can see in the header, I've changed my e-mail address so
if you want to contact me directly, please use this instead of the
address that was mentioned earlier.

As RITLabs has released the IntPack by now, and therefore the
translation is more generally available, we could go two ways:

* Set up a separate discussion list for Dutch The Bat! users
* Change the current list into a general discussion list

There is no problem for me in running more than one list (I have
several for multiple domains on my mailserver already).

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Re: The return of the zombies

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On Saturday, March 30, 2002, at 01:28:19 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:28
where I live) Karin Spaink wrote:

KS> Currently I am witnessing the return of the Inbox-Known
KS> mailbox and filter _again_.

I don't want to use the Inbox-Known mailfolders either, but there are
a few accounts where I want to use the  filter though. In any
case I've noticed that you need to point the  filter to your
regular 'Inbox'. As a result, active or not, you can delete the
'Inbox-Known' mailfolders without them auto-returning.

No wooden stakes, silver bullets or head-chopping required.

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Re: maybe I'm dense but...

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On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 03:35:41 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:35
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JG> The only disadvantage i see with this, is when i go to compose a
JG> normal window, and i click on the AB to insert someones email
JG> address, I am confronted with all the spammers addresses.

This can easily be avoided. Assuming you use only one addressbook for
your autocomplete and don't depend on information in the LDAP-styled
address books, you can simply create a new Address Book for the
spammers and define a group 'Spammers' there. Then in the filter you
can refer to that group (you need the group because the filter works
with groups, not address books).

In Options->Preferences->System you set autocomplete to work only from
the standard addressbook (assigned to the account) and optionally
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Re: Purging, browsing, and other practical matters

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 14:04:39 [GMT +0900] (which was 6:04
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YT> But whenever I purge and compress and subsequently reopen a folder,
YT> the message list has lost the focus, and because of that the message
YT> list has scrolled all the way up to the beginning of the folder,

Just press Ctrl-] and you'll be at the first unread message in the
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Re: Problem with trash and read messages

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On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 16:06:30 [GMT -0500] (which was 22:06
where I live) Shoebuddy Jones wrote:

SJ>   How do I prevent this?  I've tried all sorts of
SJ>   different settings but it's still marking them as read.

The only solution to this is probably to create a separate folder and
set your filter to dump the messages there. I use this method myself
by having a folder called 'SpamTrap', this way I can still see which
messages were sent to me and which are probably spam so I can still
retrieve the ones that were inadvertently put their by my overzealous
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Re: Problem with trash and read messages

[Maurice Snellen]

On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 21:39:40 [GMT +] (which was 22:39
where I live) Alastair Scott wrote:

AS> Curiously, it's hardwired into TB!; mail in the Trash _cannot be_
AS> unread.

Actually, I'm thankfull for that. It was one of the things that was
driving me crazy in OE because it kept saying that I had unread mail
simply because I moved it to the trash. I prefer TB!'s behaviour. If
something goes to trash, I don't want to be reminded of it being
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Re: Folder Alphabetical Order

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On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 01:24:21 [GMT -0800] (which was 10:24
where I live) Keith wrote:

K>   Is  there anyway to make the folder list be in alphabetical order? I
K> converted a Pegasus mailbox to TB and now everything is random order.

Click on the 'Name' column header on top of the folder list. After
confirming that this is what you want, your folders will be sorted
alphabetically.

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Re: Automatic purging of *unread* messages?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 06:02:54 [GMT +1300] (which was 18:02
where I live) Allister Jenks wrote:

AJ> Is there a solution to purge the emails automatically from this folder
AJ> once they are X days old, *regardless* of whether they have been read
AJ> or not?

That's odd because this is exactly what I'm using this feature for
also, and it works like a charm here.

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Re: messages list window jumping left and right

[Maurice Snellen]

On Saturday, January 19, 2002, at 10:07:35 [GMT +0800] (which was 3:07
where I live) David Pascoe wrote:

DP> OK, I give in, why does the message list window sometimes get scrolled to
DP> the left when I come back to that folder ? If there is a pattern to when
DP> it happens I haven't been able to figure it out.

It's sort of a feature. You probably have selected enough columns or
changed the width of them so there is a horizontal scrollbar in the
message list. Now, if you go back to the message list by clicking on a
message and do so on the item that is at the edge of the screen (ie.
the item that's not fully shown), The Bat! will scroll the message
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Re: paragraph indenting

[Maurice Snellen]

On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 16:16:42 [GMT -0500] (which was 22:16
where I live) David Denton wrote:

DD> Another question. Is there a simple way of indenting and
DD> reformatting paragraphs of preexisting text.

Make sure you have 'Auto-wrap' and 'Auto indent' checked in Options |
Editor Preferences.

Then, you can press Alt-L in a paragraph that needs to be
reformatted. Make sure that you've used the arrow-keys at least once
if you placed the cursor in the block of text you want to reformat
with the mouse or you'll have to press Alt-L a second time for it to
work. It appears to ignore the first one in this case.

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Wanted: testers for Dutch translation

[Maurice Snellen]

Listmembers,

I'm looking for people who are willing to test the Dutch version of
the TheBat.LNG file that I'm making for RITLabs. Please contact me
off-list if you want to help. I've tried not to make spelling errors,
but there may be places where I'm overlooking things and it would help
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Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder

[Maurice Snellen]

On 15 Jan 2002, at 23:28:30 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:28 where I live)
Karin Spaink wrote:

KS> I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on
KS> folder level instead of on the account level.

Ehm, you already do. It's in the context-menu of any folder. Also in
the 1.53d, I just checked.

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Re: Filter - Extract selected address

[Maurice Snellen]

On 14 Jan 2002, at 11:10:11 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:10 where I live)
Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine wrote:

JBL> Anybody knows how to make it conditional. That is to say; if the
JBL> address is already in the address book, do not store it.

Look at the 'Advanced' tab and scroll down using the scrollbar;
there's an option 'Address(es) must not be listed in the address
book'.

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Re: 1.53t

[Maurice Snellen]

On 12 Jan 2002, at 22:04:54 [GMT -0600] (which was 5:04 where I live)
Joseph N. wrote:

JN> Anyone know how ver. 1.53t differs from 1.53d?  Or how to expand the
JN> .rar file?

RAR is a compressed archive format, just like ZIP. Most people use
WinZip to decompress .ZIP archives, because they are the most widely
used kind. Unfortunately, WinZip isn't too good at handling other
often used archive formats such as .ARJ and .RAR.

May I suggest switching to 'PowerArchiver'
(http://www.powerarchiver.com/) ? It can do all the things that WinZip
can, but supports much more types of archives. After I tried it, I
virtually immediately trashed WinZip and haven't looked back since.

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Re: Display Font

[Maurice Snellen]

On 11 Jan 2002, at 08:12:25 [GMT -0700] (which was 16:12 where I live)
GJim wrote:

G> After re-installing TB! (along with EVERYTHING else), I no longer have access to
G> the display font, within TB!, that I used to use (Andale Mono).

Good choice! As explained before, this font doesn't come with Windows
or Office, you'll have to download it from the Microsoft Typography
page.

In my case, it's located on my font-archive with over 19.000 fonts...

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Re: Moving through unread messages

[Maurice Snellen]

On 13 Jan 2002, at 14:22:55 [GMT +0800] (which was 7:22 where I live)
Thomas F wrote:

TF> I have opened all threads (crtl-*), but I don't know whether it makes
TF> any difference.

It doesn't make a difference. I use Ctrl-] all the time and usually
read mail from the main The Bat! window (view set to 'Full-height
account tree'). The combination works, regardless of the focus being
in account list, messagelist or preview pane and the threads don't
have to be expanded for it to work.

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Re: filter not

[Maurice Snellen]

On 2 Jan 2002, at 07:52:53 [GMT +0530] (which was 3:22 where I live)
Raj wrote:

R> Or  use  the  right  click  after selecting the filter to copy or simply use the
R> option of copy in the Filter window.

The 'Copy' button doesn't do the trick here. It will copy the
currently selected rule to new copy of it at the bottom of your list
of rules. You'll have to use Ctrl-C on the keyboard or the
context-menu.

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Re: Up and running again :-))

[Maurice Snellen]

On 31 Dec 2001, at 12:22:38 [GMT +0800] (which was 5:22 where I live)
Thomas F wrote:

TF> I keep telling everybody with virus problems that they must have
TF> actively done something to allow the virus to be active on their
TF> computers.

Unfortunately, with the advent of viruses link Nimda and Badtrans-B,
this is no longer the case.

TF> If there is a new technology and a computer can be infected by
TF> just web browsing (with the usual precautions), I'd like to know
TF> about it.

The newer viruses, where this could be a problem, make use of bugs in
browser software, mostly in IE, that allow them to infect and then
spread. In the case of Nimda, the virus abuses a bug in IIS that
allows the virus access to the webserver. Then, due to the fact that
it has several means of distribution, it further attacks computers
from there. So, if for instance, your company has a Windows NT or
Window 2000 server that is not up-to-date with the latest patches, it
may get infected with Nimbda if there is an IIS running on it. Nimda
will then use shares and various other means to transport itself to
other computers. Even using the default shares that WinNT/Win2k
machines have if I'm not mistaken.

Badtrans-B uses a bug in IE that allows it to run without the user
having given permission. This is done by faking the MIME header and
thus tricking IE into thinking that the file is a harmless image, when
in fact is is a script. Because IE forgets to check the file extension
after having decided that the file is safe based on the MIME header,
it just runs the file as it is, without noticing that it's actually
executing something completely different using the decision that it's
safe that was made on the grounds of the MIME header.

In any case: both the IIS problem and the IE MIME-thingy have
meanwhile been fixed by Microsoft, but it requires keeping up-to-date
with the latest updates and patches to guard you against these things.
Mostly the bugfix comes after one or more viruses have shown the
problem which is too late. Most people aren't that prudent with
keeping their systems up-to-date or even there virus-scanner for that
matter.

More information on the inner workings of Nimda an Badtrans can, for
instance, be found via the website of the Symantec Anti-virus Recource
Center at http://www.sarc.com/ .

If you are interested in which viruses are most prominently present on
the net today and how they spread across the world, have a look at the
VirusEye page of http://www.messagelabs.com/ .

Note that I'm not in any (commercial) way related to these two
companies. I merely use Symantec's site most of the time because I
maintain the anti-virus software at work which is based on their
product.

Conclusion:
If you use The Bat! for e-mail and are not in the habit of opening
html-attachments in you browser, or if your browser is something other
than IE (or anything else that uses the IE controls), then you should
be reasonably safe against viruses that spread using bugs in IE's
html-renderer.
Protection against buggers like Nimda that use multiple distribution
methods, including network shares, is much more difficult.
Best advice is to make sure that you keep your anti-virus patterns
up-to-date (if your software allows it, set it to check for updates on
a daily basis), run some kind of firewall software if you're on cable
or xDSL and try to keep up with Microsoft's patches. You can help
yourself doing the latter by installing a small tool that will alert
you to available patches when you are on-line. You will find this tool
among other patches and updates on http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
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Re: Small progress indicator?

[Maurice Snellen]

On 29 Dec 2001, at 15:50:55 [GMT +] (which was 16:50 where I live)
Richard Lane wrote:

RL> Not when you're trying to do a thousand and one things at once like I seem
RL> to always be doing and the windows pops to the top of a stack of windows. :)

I've got my Connection Center set on display automatically and just
minimized it; next time it has to check mail, all I see is an extra
block on my taskbar. No interference.

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Re: the bat! and pgp problems

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On 25 Dec 2001, at 20:38:48 [GMT +0100] (which was 20:38 where I live)
Luc wrote:

L>   I'm  using  pgpn  version  7.1 with the bat but i have following problem: if i

You will need to install PGP 6.5.8 instead of 7.1; The API for 7.1 has
not been released, and therefore the developers at RITLabs cannot
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Re: sorting strings problem

[Maurice Snellen]

On 24 Dec 2001, at 23:02:04 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:02 where I live)
Luc wrote:

L>  These are my settings:
L>  string location   presence
L>  Reply-to: TBUDLkludgesyes

L>  string location presence
L>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  recipientyes

L>  Could any one help me out: the tbtech does not work at all.

Why not handle them all the same way? I have these:

BeginFilter
Name: List TBTECH
Active: 1
Source: \\LNBi Maurice\Inbox
Target: \\LNBi Maurice\Lists\Lists (software)\The Bat Tech
CopyFolder: \\\none
MainSet: 40Reply-to: TBTECH
Actions: 
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

and

BeginFilter
Name: List TBUDL
Active: 1
Source: \\LNBi Maurice\Inbox
Target: \\LNBi Maurice\Lists\Lists (software)\The Bat
CopyFolder: \\\none
MainSet: 40Reply-to: TBUDL
Actions: 
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: 
DelAddrItems: 
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

If you change the folder paths to match your settings, you should be
able to just cut and paste the above blocks into your Sorting Office
(one by one).

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Re: Ticker Lifted?

[Maurice Snellen]

On 11 Dec 2001, at 01:26:58 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:26 where I live)
PFord wrote:

P> Although RIT Labs claims that the Mail Ticker is "unique", Novell's
P> Groupwise has a utility that is virtually identical, at least in the
P> early incarnations of the Mail Ticker, which predates The Bat.

Are you sure? I don't know how long The Bat! and its MailTicker have
been around, but if I remember correctly, GroupWise didn't have the
Marquee as it is called until somewhere in the 5.x versions.

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Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the serve r ?)

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A,

Friday, June 15, 2001, 1:33:54 PM, you wrote:

ACM> Your subject is still gibberish in the headers.

ACM> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKCgU3RyYW5nZSBoYWVkZXJzICh3YXMgUmVbMl06IKCgSG93IHRv?=
ACM> =?ISO-8859-1?B?IGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZyb20gdGhlIHNlcnZl?=
ACM> =?ISO-8859-1?B?ciA/KQ==?=

Permission to barge in? (1)

Although I'm not really adversely affected by the original problem
that led to this discussion because I'm threading by reference, I'm
still following this thread with great interest because of a
discussion I'm having with my ISP about their mail-server.
I'm wondering where one can observe the subject in this form. I've
looked at David van Z's message in the preview, with headers on and in
'View message source' and none of them shows the subject the way you
are quoting it.

Am I using the wrong method to figure this out, or is this something
that may imply what I've thought all along, that my ISP's mailserver
messes around with the encoding of the message.

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Re: Draft Box (Was :- Re[2]: Send mail/Query bug)

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Nick,

Friday, June 15, 2001, 3:33:29 PM, you wrote:

NA> Yes, I think that would be a good idea, and might alleviate all the
NA> confusion with Drafts going to the Outbox... which really isn't the most
NA> appropriate place for such Documents.

I'd like to second the request for a Drafts box. And while we're at
it, It would be nice if any subfolders one creates under the 'Sent'
folder, would behave the same like having a header 'Saved' instead of
'Received'.
In order to facilitate searching through my sent mail, I've created
folders for the years and within them for the months where I put sent
mail after each month is over.

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Re: Storage of attachment

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Didier,

Friday, June 08, 2001, 10:25:30 AM, you wrote:

DM> a simply question, what is the best :

DM> * store the attachment separate from message in special dir ?
DM> * in message bodies ?

I cannot decide for you what the best method is. For me, keeping them
in the message bodies is the best option. I'm in the editorial team of
several magazines and sometimes recieve multiple versions of the same
article over time, if they were all stored, I'd have a big job finding
them back again.

Also, the fact that Eudora (at least when I was still using it) didn't
offer an option to keep the attachments with the messages but insisted
on storing them externally was one of the reasons I started looking
for a different program in the first place.

I wonder however, how The Bat! reacts to S/MIME signatures when set to
store attachments separately. Eudora doesn't support S/MIME out of the
box, and as a result I used to have dozens of smime.p7k(x) files
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Re: Folder templates

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Peter,

Wednesday, May 30, 2001, 12:13:03 AM, you wrote:

MDP>> A mailing list manager which doesn't set the "Reply-To" address
MDP>> "properly".

PP> cannot confirm ... using it with out problems ... *wondering*

Well, by default ezmlm doesn't set the reply-to; there are even
ranting articles to be found on the net stating that any mailinglist
software that does this is broken and should be banned, burned and
what else not for tampering with the original mails of people sending
them (assuming they set a Reply-To at all). Their point of view is
that when replying to the whole list, it should be the conciously made
decision of the creator of the mail to use 'Reply-to-all' in order to
do so.

However one can easily make ezmlm set the reply-to on outgoing
mailinglist mails, and when combining the original ezmlm with
ezmlm-idx extensions you get an even more powerfull mailinglist tool.

BTW: I prefer mailing lists set the reply-to to the list, and most do;
recently I even had a situation where I forgot to use 'reply-to-all'
because I was replying to a message in the only list I have that
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Re: mailto: magic

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Sunday, May 27, 2001, 3:51:43 PM, Karin wrote:

>> I saw some mails on how to automatically get text into the body of the
>> message using the mailto: URL; is it also possible to add custom
>> headers to a message this way?

KS> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=X%20Y&body=Z

OK, I was already aware of the 'subject' trick. Before this goes
further astray into a discussion on whether or not to use this method
for mailto: links at all, I'd like to point out that this will
probably need to be used in a website where I have no access to cgi
whatsoever so the whole issue of using forms is out of the question
(and I don't want to use external form processors).

What I want to get back to, is my original question because what I'm
trying to do, is to add headers such as "X-www-page: main menu" and
"X-www-page: my cv" so that I can tell from the headers of the message
wich page it was that someone clicked the mailto-link on. Is that
possible, or completely out of the question?

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Reply problem

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Listmembers,

There are people who insist on sending mail with only their e-mail
address as the 'From'. I have some of them listed in my address book,
and I'd expect that when I hit 'Reply' on their messages, the
recipient would be matched against the AB and the information from
there added and used so the message would look nicer (and the
quote-levels would be correct too).

Is there an option I've overlooked to make this happen or would this
be a feature request?

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mailto: magic

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Listmembers,

I saw some mails on how to automatically get text into the body of the
message using the mailto: URL; is it also possible to add custom
headers to a message this way? I'm asking this because I'd like to add
mailto: links to websites to let people respond to pages, but I'd like
to include a header for each page so I know what page it was that they
clicked the mailto: link on, without having this in the subject or any
place else where the user would have easy access to change it.

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Re[2]: Filtering on 'reply-to'

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Thomas,

Friday, May 11, 2001, 8:52:41 AM, you wrote:

T> This is exactly what I do for the TB lists.

T> String:   Reply-To: TBUDL
T> Presence: Yes
T> Location: Kludges

I've tried it and indeed, it works like a charm. For some reason I had
the (apparently misguided) idea that when filtering on 'kludges' one
could only filter on the contents of them, not on the entire line
including the identifying part before the colon.

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I was wondering if there is any way to have the filters work on
'reply-to' headers.

I subscribe to a number of mailinglists where people will often send
announcements to more than one list. My current filtering setup causes
all these crossposts to end up in the folder of one list, instead of
getting spread between the respective folders.

For some of them, I may be able to work around that by using the
address in the 'Sender:' header as matching string, but not all lists
set this header.

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Re[2]: Problems with The Bat! 152f

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Peter,

Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 1:40:29 PM, you wrote:

PP> *hmmm* ~4700 messages over here ... Purge & Compress are usually done
PP> on exit :-) ... but not slower than before 1.52f ... maybe your TB! is
PP> sad it's only 400 messages to handle? *grin*

I'm still at 1.52c, and usually keep TB! running for days if I don't
have to do something on my PC that I think would make it dangerous to
leave other things open. It does take a while to purge and compress,
but then again, there's over 16000 messages in my main account alone.

This is on a PII 450, 128MB RAM, Win2k; MAIL-directory stored on
NetWare 4.11 server (running on a PI 133/64MB), 100Mb LAN.

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Re[2]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems

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Jannik,

Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 8:48:49 AM, you wrote:

JL> In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the
JL> old progress bar to be next to useless.

I would have to agree on this. Because I manage a large number of
administrative accounts for a couple of maildomains, I have more than
15 accounts defined. Since the mailchecks for these occur virtually
simultaneously (didn't feel like spreading the time-intervals), TB!
would previously completely clutter my taskbar with progress windows
making it impossible to click other windows for as long as this
lasted.

Now the process of retrieving mail is much cleaner for me, no more
cluttering and that makes it all much more comfortable.

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Re[2]: I am looking for a Dutch Interface Language file

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Rob,

Thursday, May 03, 2001, 10:42:38 PM, you wrote:

R> but all it does is extract and build .LNG files with your own selections,
R> not manipulate/translate the content ...

Exactly. On the TBUDL archive I located a thread of messages where
there is talk of a stand alone LNG compiler that would allow users to
compile their own language files. Reportedly, this thingy was supposed
to be release by the end of June 2000, but it would seem this never
happened.

If anyone has any insight on this, please let me know. All this makes
me wonder how the other languages came to be in the TheBat.LNG file.

Is there a procedure to work with RitLabs for the purpose of adding
more languages? I'd be willing to do some translating for Dutch, but
I'm not in the mood to decode the format of the LNG file...

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Re[3]: Time Zones???

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Ian,

Sunday, April 29, 2001, 9:59:48 PM, you wrote:

IA> As an aside, does the daylight saving time change at  the  same
IA> point universally, or is there a period of several hours or so
IA> where e-mail systems exist in a point of +-1 Hour relativity?

Various countries change in and out of daylight saving time on
different dates. For instance, almost all of Europe now changes on the
last Sunday of March and back again on the last Sunday of October.

Chema: the UK and the rest of the EU have synched their DST switches
several years ago.

If you want to get a good idea of when various countries or regions
switch to DST, if they do so at all, and what time differences they
use, I suggest having a look at the excellent 'timepiece' for your
Windows-PC called 'World Time' available free from www.pawprint.net.

This program allows you to put a customizable bar of clocks from
around the world on your screen, sync your PC to NTP or datetime
sources and has an extensive database of world cities, their locations
(longitude/latitude) and their DST times to go with it.

I use this to keep track of the time of the people I'm chatting with
when I'm on IRC.

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Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

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Sunday, April 15, 2001, 5:09:03 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

ACM>>> Some of the editors great formatting routines such as the
ACM>>> reformatting of quoted material will lead to this sort of
ACM>>> limitation.

NA> Sorry I'm coming in late on this thread, but could you refresh my memory
NA> on what sort of limitations Allie was talking about?

The formatting routines involved in reformatting quoted material,
include having the ability to dynamically remove and re-insert the
necessary quote-levels at the beginning of each line while
reformatting, ie. the initials and >-sign(s), or just the >-sign(s) in
the case of non-TB! quoted material.

NA> Just for clarification, a soft return is one where the line
NA> automatically wraps, and a hard return is where the User actually
NA> hits the "Enter" key, is that correct? What you are proposing is
NA> that TB! not use hard returns where soft returns would normally
NA> go?

No, the problem I've run into, is that when auto-format is turned on,
a return is only honored when you hit it twice in a row. This makes
it, for example, impossible to create lists of short-items with one
item on each line, unless you insert a blank line between them. Typing
the first space on a new line now causes the cursor to return to one
space after the last character of the previous line, simply because
there is room there.

AFAIK, the editor in TB! makes no difference between a return at the
end of a line which was inserted by the formatter, and a return that
was entered by the user.

NA> If TB!'s Editor was to do that, and realising that PGP wraps/signs
NA> a message *before* the MUA would... in your example... replace the
NA> soft returns with hard returns, it would have to be such that
NA> there was absolutely no difference in the two messages... not even
NA> one character... otherwise the PGP signature would be broken. Do
NA> you feel that condition would be met if TB! were to make those
NA> changes after the User hit the "Send" button?

OK, I have to admit that I'm unfamiliar with the order of actions
happening when I hit the send button, and therefore was unaware that
PGP is called before TB! would replace these characters.

I'm suggesting that the editor would be made to make a difference
between returns resulting from the auto-format and auto-wrap
functions, and the ones entered by the user, in such a way that it
would become possible to create short-lists and if necessary edit the
signature, without the auto-format concatening lines together that
were intended as separate lines in the first place.

It would need to do this only for the duration of message editing. One
might even argue that TB! could store the message in this way
(including soft returns) unless the message is to be signed and/or
encrypted, so future editing would result in the same situation.

It was argued that one would want to make the message in such a way
that it comes up identically on the recipients screen, but is my
belief that this is only necessary for lines that were user-terminated
by a hard return anyway, and is much less important for flowing
paragraphs.

One problem would however still remain: unless the original text of
the message being replied to were to arrive in 'flowing paragraphs' as
well (which causes other problems such as having to wrap the message
at a predefined width or at the edge of the window in order to avoid
horizontal scrolling), there is no way for the reformatter to know
where to separate two paragraphs that were not separated by a blank
line.

NA> Again I am presuming you were referring to the quirkiness of the
NA> TB! Editor's auto-format feature, and that a re-make of the Editor
NA> such that it would allow for soft returns would eliminate such
NA> quirkiness?

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Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions

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Allie,

Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 2:17:36 AM, you wrote:

[hard returns vs. soft returns]
ACM> Some of the editors great formatting routines such as the reformatting of
ACM> quoted material will lead to this sort of limitation. The added advantage
ACM> is that you'll always be aware of the formatting of your text and what the
ACM> recipient will be seeing at the other end. Soft returns can be very
ACM> deceptive and can lead to some lousy formatting that the recipient has to
ACM> deal with.

Not necessarily. Basicly, the editor only needs to make this
difference for as long as you are editing the message, or maybe it
should even save the message with the information on soft and hard
returns intact. On screen, while editing, the wrapping behaviour would
be as defined by the maximum width of the message, such as 76
characters on a line.

Upon hitting send, the soft returns would automatically be replaced
with hard returns, causing there to be no difference between the
message on-screen and the way it is sent.

I've seen this kind of ability before in my old FidoNet editor, GoldEd
(www.goldware.dk) although I must admit that the reformatting of
quoted text in GoldEd requires a little more user intervention.

ACM> The only application that I see dealing with soft returns in a positive
ACM> way is Agent and Becky, but then again, neither of them can reflow quoted
ACM> material the way TB! can...

Dunno any of those, I use Gravity for news and haven't even heard of
Becky before.

ACM> If you find yourself constantly having to switch between both you may do
ACM> better keeping auto-format off and then hitting alt+l whenever you need to
ACM> do any text reflowing.

That might be an idea, yes.

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The Bat! - suggestions

[Maurice Snellen]

I sent the message below to the 'suggestions' address listed on the
Ritlabs website, but it bounced back to me. I apologize in advance if
this is the wrong place to put this in an attempt to reach the makers.


Dear ppl at Ritlabs,

First of all I'd like to give you my compliments for making an
excellent mail program.

There are two suggestions though that I'd like to make that would make
your already great program even better and easier to use for me.

1) Hard returns and soft returns

When 'Auto-Format' is on, it is impossible to have two consecutive
lines that are not filled to the maximum width allowed by the set
margins. It seems that there is no difference between what in word
processors is sometimes referred to as a soft-return and a
hard-return.

This makes it very difficult to create *-lists in mails unless one
adds a blank line between each item. Another situation is when I
delete lines at the bottom of a message after having replied in order
to get rid of the bottom part of the message, so only my signature is
left, which often results in me deleting one line too many, the
auto-format kicking in, reformatting the signature separator and my
name (as seen below) onto one line.

It would be nice if the internal editor would know which linebreaks
are purely due to the margin setting, and which are entered purposely
by the user.

As a result, I often find myself continuously switching back and forth
between 'Auto-Format' on and off.

On a side note: is it possible to have the cursor only go to places
where text and/or spaces were already typed, and to have the text be
able to have spaces after the last character on a line, if only to be
able to verify that the signature separator has a space after it.

2) Drag and Drop attachments

I often receive messages containing more than one attachment of which
I need to forward only one or several but not all to someone else. In
order to do so, it would be nice if one could open the mail, open a
second, new mail and just drag and drop the attachments that need to
be added to the outgoing mail right from the window of the received
mail onto the window of the new mail.

Thank you again for making The Bat! and good luck with it's on-going
development.

-- 
Maurice

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