Any MSN users?
Hello folks, Well MSN is doing it to us again and changing their POP 3 interface sigh Has anyone else with MSN figured out the proper way to hold your tongue so that things work? We can take this off list if you like. TIA -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.8 w/ on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Trouble with SHortcuts
Hello Roelof, Thursday, February 8, 2007, 11:57:56 AM, you wrote: RO Create a quick template with %SetEditor=1%- and define a shortcut RO for that template. I'll give that a try, thanks. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.96.04 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Trouble with SHortcuts
Hello TBUDL, I was looking to assign a shortcut for 'Options', 'Message Format', 'Plain Text' (something like Ctrl-shft-T, for example). But when I go into 'View', 'Toolbar', 'Customize' on a message window, I can only go as far is Message Format. The selections that appear in the Message Format menu are not present in the shortcut display. Does anyone know if there is there a way to get to that option and assign a quick key or am I just OOL? Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AGAVA AntispamServant
Hello Gunivortus, Friday, January 12, 2007, 7:53:26 AM, you wrote: GG Hi Code 2, I saw some 2005 postings in the archives regarding the AGAVA AntispamServant spam filter and they were generally favourable. Does anyone have more recent experience with it? GG Till two weeks ago I used it for quite awhile. GG It worked well, however, some comfortable options are GG missing. GG I left AGAVA, because my support requests weren't even GG answered and so were questions for updates. GG So I stepped over to antispamSniper, GG http://antispamsniper.com/thebat_plugin.html GG which provides all I want at the moment for such a GG spamfilter. Within two weeks, it comes near to 100 % GG of spamrecognition. I am still using it ... because, I suppose, I have not needed tech support and so have not run into that problem g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Spam mail
Hello Paul, Tuesday, November 28, 2006, 5:59:22 PM, you wrote: PB Whether you use a spam filter or not, it is handy to do 2 things: PB 1. Use positive filters in TB to move desired mail to separate PB folders. Also add a filter to move Known mail to a Welcome folder PB or similar name. PB 2. This leaves any unfiltered junk in the Inbox, where you click on PB the Subject heading to sort alphabetically by subject. ( You do this PB only once to set it.) This makes it very quick and easy to glance PB through the list in case anything of value is there. The repeat PB subjects are together and need only be read once. No argument from me there. I agree. My example was in response to the specific question of how to filter out the messages that had the 'name wrote:' sequence in the subject. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.07 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam mail
Hello A.Translator, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 5:37:31 AM, you wrote: AT Alexander S. Kunz heeft uiteengezet op 28-11-2006 : I conclude that both Agava and Regula are good TB plugins. Personally AT Can someone point me to an English installation guide for Regula? AT I have downloaded three files (regula.rar, regula_dpcre.rar, regula.mgr.rar), AT but can't get them to install the plugin. Always have a struggle with these AT rar-files. I have not used Regula, but ... 'rar' is an 'archive' format much like 'zip' files. You have to 'unarchive' them as you would with a zip tile. That will give you the plugin as well as the other 'support' files that Regula needs. There will likely be a 'readme' or similar file that explains where those files need to do. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.07 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam mail
Hi Peter, Monday, November 27, 2006, 9:18:10 PM, you wrote: lately I get a lot of spam with the subject line: name wrote: As I hear lots of people are getting the same. Is there a way I can add a filter somewhere in the configuration that if the subject line is wrote: it should go to the junk mail folder. Click on 'Accounts' and select 'Filters' and click 'File' then 'New Filter. On the General tab give it a name, in the 'condition' box, select 'Subject Contains' and then add 'wrote:'. In the action section, select what you want to do ... move to folder \\JUNK for example. That should do it ... but only until they change the message content which will happen pretty soon. That is a very inefficient way to try and keep up with spammers. The other suggestions are helpful and more useful in the long term. I use Agava FWIW and like it. But BayesIt worked OK for me for a number of years too ... after I trained it with a **LOT** of email and I needed to 're-train' it once or twice a year for some reason. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.07 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because it is easier than doing it right sigh We are devo :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:08:17 AM, you wrote: LG Hello MikeD, LG Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 2:01:58 PM, you wrote: When you miss that important email because it was sent from someone that was blacklisted incorrectly, I will remind you of those 600 other messages and ask you which was more important, the one or the 600 g LG And that'd be poor use of services like Spamhaus and DNSbls. They are LG a tool, not the end-all-be-all. If someone is using these services as LG a pass/fail, then they're doing it wrong. The right way is to add LG points to a spaminess score. i.e. if an e-mail comes from an IP LG listed on one of the services, it get's some points added, but if it LG meets absolutely no other spam criteria, the points it received on the LG DNSbl listing alone *should not* be enough to classify it as spam. LG The whole issue about a U.S. court potentially trying to shut down LG the Spamhaus domain wouldn't have been quite as catastrophic as they LG tried to lead everyone to believe. Yes, there would have been problems LG on mail servers where the mail server admin didn't have a clue and LG Spamhaus was a pass/fail measure, but the big mail handlers (big ISP) LG wouldn't have gotten nailed anywhere near as badly. I really hate it when my ISP decides to reject some email that *they* think is spam but is actually real and sometimes important. I currently have everything they offer disabled and rely on the plugin. That way I get all the messages. LG I use Gmail and allow them to run their spam filters. However, I still LG check the messages from time to time. So far Google hasn't made any LG mistakes with my e-mail. Unlike Comcast who castrated *all* my e-mail LG for basically four days in a row. Can you tell I don't like the black list model? g LG It can work provided the e-mail admin really understands how to use LG it. They are *not* a silver bullet. They are just one more tool in the LG arsenal. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 1:49:20 PM, you wrote: LG Hello MikeD, LG Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:48:56 AM, you wrote: I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because it is easier than doing it right sigh LG :( Agreed. Makes me want to go have a few beers... You coming? On my way! Do they have Guinness on tap? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 4:15:45 PM, you wrote: ASK Yes, I am sure. Enter the IP address in the DNSRBL test client. It'll ASK reveal that the IP is blacklisted on the SORBS and BLARS DNS blacklists. ASK BLARS is a very aggressive list (it lists entire netblocks), but SORBS ASK ain't listing IP address without a reason. Perhaps, but it isn't always a 'good' reason. I help support a mailing list that uses Lyris and several places like SORBS end up blacklisting anyone that would dare to use a list server sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 9:50:43 AM, you wrote: Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 2:29:36 PM, you wrote: I got 4 (I think), but one was purported to be out of business. Does that mean that those lists are classifying *me* (actually, my IP, I guess) as a spammer? And that the business that's all-of-a-sudden started to bounce my e-mails (though I still get messages *from* them!) is using those lists to bounce suspected spamming domains? LG Yep, they are classifying the IP listed in the error you received as a LG spammer friendly IP address. If you're not running your own SMTP, LG then this is most likely the IP address for your ISP SMTP server. And this is exactly why the 'black list' sites are a cure that can be worse than the disease ... INMO anyway g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello MAU, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 1:19:50 PM, you wrote: M Hello MikeD, LG Yep, they are classifying the IP listed in the error you received as a LG spammer friendly IP address. If you're not running your own SMTP, LG then this is most likely the IP address for your ISP SMTP server. And this is exactly why the 'black list' sites are a cure that can be worse than the disease ... INMO anyway g M Not really. I use some blacklists (mainly Spamhaus, www.spamhaus.org) at M my server and, thanks to them, I stop/reject over 600 (yes, 600) email M per day before they even get into the server. When you miss that important email because it was sent from someone that was blacklisted incorrectly, I will remind you of those 600 other messages and ask you which was more important, the one or the 600 g I really hate it when my ISP decides to reject some email that *they* think is spam but is actually real and sometimes important. I currently have everything they offer disabled and rely on the plugin. That way I get all the messages. As a side note, those same blacklists cause me no end of headache when I get one of the dozen or so weekly support requests from folks whose newsletters have stopped because some site has blacklisted everything that is sent using Lyris ... or some fool forgot that they signed up for the newsletter (they have to submit an email to us that is reviewed and then approved, no auto-registration) and reports us and some portion of the other 999 readers are inconvenienced sigh Can you tell I don't like the black list model? g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite
Hello Richard, Friday, October 20, 2006, 2:49:41 PM, you wrote: RN Hi Batpeople, RN I can't get ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite 6.2 to allow TB to RN receive POP3 mail. I've been working on this over the past 36 hours RN with ZoneAlarm to no-avail. RN TB receives POP3 mail just fine when ZoneAlarm ISS is not loaded. Both RN Outlook Express and Mailwasher read POP3 mail just fine with ZoneAlarm RN ISS loaded. RN Has anyone run into this problem? Sorry, I have not run into any problems with ZA, but I have not used their suite - only the stand alone FW. Can you selectively install from the suite? It might be interesting to install just the FW and nothing else from the suite to see of that makes any difference. FWIW, I have ver 6.5.737 of the firewall. How does that compare to yours? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite
Hello Richard, Friday, October 20, 2006, 5:12:07 PM, you wrote: RN Hello MikeD, RN Friday, October 20, 2006, 3:21:43 PM, you wrote: M2 Can you selectively install from the suite? It might be interesting to M2 install just the FW and nothing else from the suite to see of that M2 makes any difference. RN Your concept was pure genius. I turned off all ISS program RN segments and added them back one by one. I've isolated it to a RN problem with their anti-virus segment (the reason I bought the RN software in the first place). All works fine with anti-virus RN turned off. Waiting to hear back from ZoneAlarm for a solution. RN Thanks for the thought and direction. Glad to help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 2:49:24 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo MikeD, RO On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:18:49 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 19:18 , where I RO live), you wrote: RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both? M Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and M begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not M connect to the server in the log file. RO Could not connect to the server is an odd error. You tried this: RO smtp.googlemail.com TLS to port 465 RO pop.googlemail.comTLS to port 995 RO smtp authentication enabled of course, but don't select 'secure RO authentication' RO Otherwise I can't think of anything. I think I tried that ... but I have tried so many variations that I am not sure :-/ RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface? M Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the M inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g). RO Just to make sure that had the right username/password. I checked that several times ... sort of. I suspect that the problem revolves around how to reconcile the idea that it is not a 'pure' gmail account. I will just have to keep experimenting with various combinations of things :-/ Thanks for the suggestions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 1:00:49 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello MikeD (2) everyone else, ASK on 10-Okt-2006 at 13:35 you (MikeD (2)) wrote: I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. ASK I have no idea what you mean with this. The email is through the google gmail service but does not have an '@gmail.com' domain. ASK As far as I know you can specify ASK different outgoing mailaddresses (which is problemating due to various ASK spam filtering techniques like reverse lookups and SPF), but I wouldn't ASK know how to process incoming email from with the gmail account (other ASK than a forwarder - gmail has no POP3 collector service that you can use ASK to retrieve other accounts... or at least mine hasn't). ASK Other than that, try to use a regular connection for POP3 instead of ASK STARTTLS. Yup gave that one a try too without luck. But thanks for the suggestion. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Hello all, OK ... this is related to this thread: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4TID=2349 I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail', 'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any joy. Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work? TIA -- MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 8:36:41 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo MikeD, RO On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:35:52 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 13:35 , where I RO live), you wrote: MI have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. MI suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, Mit is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is Mbeing serviced by gmail. RO What exactly do you mean with 'serviced by gmail'? Serviced by: in the sense that the actual email address is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ... gmail is not mentioned in the email address. When I log in through the gmail website that is what I have to put in as the user name ... complete with the domain on the end ... in order to log in. Apparently it is a service that they are offering to third parties. RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both? Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not connect to the server in the log file. RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface? Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g). And yes, I enabled pop access in the settings screen and verified that it says pop enabled. RO Without any specifics it's hard to give a solution. Sorry, I didn't notice I lost the details I thought I had cut and pasted from the letter I sent to gmail support :-/ And thanks for the help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Mary, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 7:58:44 AM, you wrote: MB Hello MikeD! MB On Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:35 AM, you wrote: OK ... this is related to this thread: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4TID=2349 I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. MB Ah. Yes. I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail', 'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any joy. Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work? MB I think mine is what you are wanting to do. However, I did not set it MB up by myself, so I don't know the particular settings that must be MB used. MB Leif Gregory, a TB! lists moderator, both sent me the Gmail invitation MB and set up the association for me. MB Perhaps he will notice this thread and give you some advice. I can only hope g I am sure that the thing that is messing TB up is that the address is not an '@gmail.com' address. It is a 'thrid party' domain that apparently google is hosting for them ... or something like that. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Newsgroups to mail software
Hello John, Friday, September 29, 2006, 1:28:10 PM, you wrote: JP On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:57, MAU wrote: I've sent by PM. JP Thanks greatly!. JP Err...pardon my ignorance, but what is PM? Normally 'Private Message' or 'Private Mail' depending on who you ask. In the context here, it means that the message was answered off list so that it didn't 'clog' up the list with something that probably would not be of interest to anyone else in the list. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sanctioned bayes plugins (redux)
Hello rich, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 2:14:46 AM, you wrote: rg Hello Bat-Folk! rg On the RitLabs site downloads page there are 3 anti spam downloads rg available. rg Bayes Filter Plugin by Achim Winkler rg BayesIt! by Alexey Vinogradov rg Agava Antispamservant Plugin rg Anyone care to comment on these? I have used BayesIt in the past. It worked (mostly) OK. I had no problems with it, but it was not the most effective filter around (at least the last time I used it g). On the plus side, I =never= had a false positive with it, but it only caught about 75 to 80% of the spam. I am using Agava now and it is much easier to get it to the point where it was filtering relatively well. It does a better overall job of catching spam, about 90+%, but I =do= get the occasional false positive. That is 'worrisome' since it makes it more likely that I will miss something ... nor can I just ignore the spam folder. I have not tried Bayes Filter. There are days I think about going back to BayesIt again to see if it has gotten any better. But I am mostly lazy and have not gotten around to it g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.13 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion
MM try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too: MM www.antispamsniper.com Well if we are mentioning alternatives .. agava's Bat plugin works great for me. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.07 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Spam
Hello Ben, Sunday, June 18, 2006, 4:52:21 PM, you wrote: BA Howdy Flying Rodent fans, BA I normally don't use an anti spam program, but I thought with this BA latest release I would try it out. So I thought with this release I BA would try it. So I trained it, with two thousand odd spam and forty BA to fifty thousand ham mails. BA So it was doing the job it was intended for, but it killed my laptop BA everytime I downloaded any email. What I mean by that is my laptop BA started running like a heavily laden Rhino. BA Does anyone else experience this? I have not had that problem, but then I have not kept that many emails around. You might try trimming down your email. I never keep more than about 4 thousand messages in any folders. Archive some of the old mail and see if that doesn't help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Does BayesIt actually work?
Hello Marten, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote: MG I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc. MG I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters MG installed, I have imported a blacklist. MG Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving. MG Are tohers more successful with theior installations? I used to use it. I moved to Agvara ant think it (mostly) works better. I found that it took a **LOT** of mail to train it. I kept at least 1,000 spam and 1,000 ham messages around just to train it. I got it to better than 80% without using a white or black list and I *NEVER* got a false positive with it. Agvara gets about 95% of my spam but I do have to go through the spam because I get the occasional false positive with it. So the end result is that it works, but is a more 'finiky'. But it is also free g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antispam software
Hello Peter, Sunday, March 12, 2006, 5:00:52 PM, you wrote: LW I've used Bayesit with some success after training. While I found it LW did filter some, it wasn't what I was used to (K9). I've also used LW Bayes Filter but had to change because of problems with TB being LW default email. When clicking on a mailto TB would open several Edit LW windows. Never could get that fixed. LW I'm using AntispamSniper on my notebook and trialing on my desktop. It LW has a better success rate after some training. It's not free but but LW seems to be doing a better job. I used BayesIt and it worked well enough considering the price g I am using Agava now and at $12 is a value that mostly works better than BayesIt. I have not used any of the intermediate programs like K9, so cannot compare with those. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.72.01 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Friday, January 13, 2006, 4:02:24 AM, you wrote: B What settings are you currently using? B I have set it up as follows: B Out of 100 score: Average B Delete a message: No B Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50 B Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes B Use the common junk folder: No The only difference I have is my junk score is currently up to 15. I had it down into the single digits for BayesIt g I have been sneaking it up, but slowly. Just one or two points a week. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Darrin, Thursday, January 12, 2006, 9:34:29 AM, you wrote: D Hello Barry, D Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote: B Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I B have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up B with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. D Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well. D After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up D purchasing it. Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago. In most ways it works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it than with BayesIt. But I am still tweeking the settings g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 6:43:22 AM, you wrote: B Hi B I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats. B Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? I can't look at the moment 'cuz I am currently testing out AGAVA. But I seem to recall seeing stats when I did use it. There were 4 that I remember looking at ... correctly filtered spam and ham, mis-filtered for both as well. My goal was to keep ham classified as spam as close to zero as possible. I think BayesIt was better than any of the other filters I have tried in terms of not putting ham in the spam folder. But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:09:55 AM, you wrote: B On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g B Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that B BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open B ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I B tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt B just deletes it at the end of the session. B If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would B have expected it to do. Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. As to the '~' file, that is a common practice for naming temp files that are temp backups for open files. For example word does that as well. The '~' files are deleted when they are no longer needed ... usually g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 12:16:23 PM, you wrote: B On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: B Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. B B Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :) I wasn't sure ... when you said no spam I thought maybe you meant it wasn't catching any g B My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist B extensively and this seems to be the best approach. B I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see B that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when B digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file? Ahh, I get it now. My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I think, still correct. As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to be counted. Having said that, would have expected some info there. I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help. Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help. My stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a valid stat file. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayes filter stop working/re-filter
Hello Scott, Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 2:05:15 PM, you wrote: S =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= S Monday, December 19, 2005, 7:51:09 AM, you wrote: S set a key stroke for the Mark as Spam S =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= S or customized your tool bar to include the junk/not junk buttons... Yes, you can certainly do that, but I am an old command line kind of guy and so think key strokes before I think buttons. Besides, there are already more buttons than I can see at one time. But, yes. If you prefer buttons, that is certainly a suitable answer too. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.15 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayes filter stop working/re-filter
Hello Jorge, Monday, December 19, 2005, 7:20:18 AM, you wrote: JAB Hi all. JAB I´ve the Achim´s Bayes plugin working fine until today, when it doesn't JAB filtered any mail. I've have two questions now: JAB 1) How can I fix plugin to start working again? JAB 2) How can I re-run the filtering process to send all those spam mails JAB to the spam folder? I have not used Achim, but when I had this problem with a different bayes filter, I uninstlled it, deleted the word list data, re-installed it and then retrained it and it would be fine (until the next time g) Once you get it working again, set a key stroke for the Mark as Spam (and probably the mark as not spam as well). I used Ctrl-Shft-J (for junk g). Then you just highlight the spam messages and use the key code you set up. Other wise you can right click on the selected messages, select specials and then click on 'mark as spam' option. This will send the data to the bayes filter for training and move them to the designated spam destination. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.14 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Configuring MSN e-mail accounts in The Bat
Hello Anthony, Monday, October 10, 2005, 12:26:45 PM, you wrote: AGA I want him to move from MSN to TB because he doesn't understand how to AGA make PGP work with MSN's interface. TB has this all built in so it AGA might make it all easier for him to use. TB has a lot of other useful AGA features, too, so he wouldn't necessarily be sacrificing anything. SO far I have not seen if you mentioned this. Is his email a free '@hotmail.com' or is it a real '@msn.com' account? For Hotmail, you are stuck with the 'web-to-pop' interface. For an actual 'msn' account, you can use TB natively. Just follow the notes I mentioned in the earlier message. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.10 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Configuring MSN e-mail accounts in The Bat
Hello Anthony, Monday, October 10, 2005, 3:26:10 AM, you wrote: AGA Can anyone point me to detailed information on how to configure The AGA Bat for an MSN e-mail account? All I had to do was to select 'MSN (NTLM) in the Read Mail authentication section of the account properties. If you need more specific details, let me know. I have not had any problems. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.10 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plug-in
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 9:23:09 AM, you wrote: RO Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's RO take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\ (just because that's what I'm RO using.) RO Now via TB's menu: RO Options - Preferences - Protection\Anti SPAM - Add RO Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt RO Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done. RO When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just RO close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version. That gets it installed. You still have to train it with as much spam and ham (i.e. good messages) as you can before it will start helping you by classifying with any reliability. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
