Re: %ISSIGNATURE macro cookie problems

[SyP]

Hello!

Allie Martin wrote at 3/21/2000, 5:28 PM, pages and pages:

AM> I use two cookie files, ie, TB!'s own cookie file and a remote
AM> cookie file. I therefore use cookies from both by inserting either
AM> '%COOKIE' or '%COOKIE="\"' in my templates.

I have a related, and easier-to-understand problem:
In a message template I have the line %COOKIE="cookie1.txt", and also a
Quick template %COOKIE="cookie2.txt". Then I begin to write a new
message, but I don't like the cookie and decide to use the Quick
template; but it just gives the same cookie line from cookie1.txt forever.

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Filters through accounts

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Hi!

I set up a filter in my Account1, and it moves some messages into
Account2//Inbox. I  checked "Continue processing with other filters"
in Sorting Office, but The Bat! would not execute the filters of
Account2.

Is there any way for filters to work throughout accounts?

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Re[2]: Filters through accounts

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Hi!

Allie Martin wrote at 3/24/2000, 1:17 :

AM> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:47:19 +0100, SyP wrote:

>> Is there any way for filters to work throughout accounts?

AM> Not the way that you're indicating.

Then I guess multiple POP3 mailboxes for one account would do for
me... ;)

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Calypso 3.10.03

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Hello!

Is there a way to import Calypso mailboxen?

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Re[2]: Calypso 3.10.03

[SyP]

Hello!

Tracer wrote at 3/26/2000, 2:12 AM

t> Hello SyP,
t> On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:56:58 +0100 GMT your local time,
t> which was Sunday, March 26, 2000, 7:56:58 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
t> SyP wrote:

>> Hello!
>> Is there a way to import Calypso mailboxen?

t> Export to Unix mailbox if I remember correctly.

I can't do that :(. There is

1) Archive messagebox
After that, and importing the resulting .TXT file, all Calypso messages appear
in one big message in The Bat!, each message in its own tab

2) Save message to archive
It seems to work more or less, only it gets the current time instead
of the original time.

Any idea?

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Re[3]: Calypso 3.10.03

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Hello The Bat! users,

Douglas Hinds wrote at 3/26/2000, 12:29 PM

t>> Export to Unix mailbox if I remember correctly.

DH> Affirmative. Export from Calypso (it's non specific), then import as a
DH> unix box.


That made a difference, thank you. (However, it wasn't Export, it was
Save To Archive)

DH> Douglas

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Hungarian translation

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Hello The Bat! users,

What is the state of the Hungarian translation? Is it in active
development? I would like to help them out.

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(Ha kell az LNG-file szerkesztéséhez, akkor van Delphim és tudom is
használni...)
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Re[2]: Calypso 3.10.03

[SyP]

Hello tracer,

tracer wrote at 3/26/2000, 2:40 PM

t> sorry, I did it only once and after checking my archives I saw
t> this is what I did
t> And I never really used Calypso (g).

I don't use Calypso either :)
I just want to convert some friends to TB...

t> Best regards,
t> tracer

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Re: Creating a Mailing List ?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Nick Andriash wrote at 3/31/2000, 9:06 PM

NA> I've created the Mailing List, and can see where I can enter the comma
NA> separated addresses, but in the Properties section, I can't see where I
NA> can allocate those addresses to the BCC field. I can only do that on an
NA> individual message basis.

I think you cannot in this way. But you could distribute messages
using templates with macros like
%TO=""
%BCC="listname "

But I must admit that I'm not using TB as mailing list server and just
thinking out loudly :)


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storing messages in mailbox or individually

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users and developers,

what is the main reason for storing the messages in one big file per
folder? I'm subscribed to quite a few mailing lists, and sometimes I
get two hundred messages a day. Now it isn't uncommon that one day
after defragmenting my volume, my bigger messagebases (with >4000
emails) are shattered to >7-800 fragments.

Wouldn't it be nicer if TB used one file per message? NTFS and also
ReiserFS on Linux can store small files pretty efficiently!
(Of course FAT16 or FAT32 cannot).
So maybe the forthcoming Linux port should use the 1 f/msg method.


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Re: Filter For Cc'd Mail ?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Nick Andriash wrote at 4/4/2000, 1:01 AM

NA> Hi Everyone,

NA> I'm having trouble with mail that has an address in the Cc: box. For
NA> instance, if someone address a letter to both TBUDL and TBBETA, then my
NA> first filter catches them... in my case it's TBBETA, and _both_ letters
NA> get deposited into my TBBETA Folder, because the address for the TBBETA
NA> List shows up on both headers.

NA> What would happen if someone put both TBBETA and TBUDL
NA> addresses in the To: field... which filter, and for what variable would
NA> it filter on?

NA> Nick

Take a look at the kludges (ctrl+shift+K) of a message from a list.
In the case of TB mailing lists,
X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
helps to distinguish between messages.

So the filter below should work:

String: X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Location: Kludges
Presence: Yes

In the case of other mailing lists (most notably on egroups.com lists),
you may want to filter on Delivered-To:

Hopt this helps.

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Re[2]: Filter For Cc'd Mail ?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Nick Andriash wrote at 4/4/2000, 1:51 AM

NA> Thanks to Andrey and SyP for your help.
Andrey was more precise, I was quicker... :)

NA> I've basically done what Andrey
NA> has described above, and just to be sure I've done the right thing, to
NA> get that second String in there, you have to enter that from the
NA> "Alternatives" tab of the Filters Dialogue box, right?

Nay, I think you want an AND relation instead of an OR, right? So I
think you should just add a new rule.

Then you could be absolutely sure the message arrived from the right
list.

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Re[2]: storing messages in mailbox or individually

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Hello The Bat! users,

Alexander V. Kiselev wrote at 4/3/2000, 2:59 PM

>> what is the main reason for storing the messages in one big file per
>> folder? 
AVK> Works faster;-)

Maybe. But with 1 msg/file
a) folder-to-folder operations would be faster
b) folders wouldn't have to be compressed time to time
c) you could code up some interesting new concepts easier, I mean
_virtual folders_.

For c) you would need a filesystem with some database-like semantics,
currently BeFS, at some point of the future ReiserFS.

AVK> I'm not going to install NT of any flavour here just in order to make the life of 
e-
AVK> mail client better;-)
It is all very well that :)

>> So maybe the forthcoming Linux port should use the 1 f/msg method.

AVK> What for? Why don't you like the 2files per 1folder method? Remember, 
AVK> under Linux there are no problems with defragmentation anyway;-)
The situation is way better than in FAT/NTFS, but EXT2 isn't
invulnerable either... If the volume fills up, fragmentation can't be
avoided, and then Linux won't automagically defragment your files
after you have enough space...

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The Bat! - suggestions

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  There are some features I would like to see in your program:

  I'd like if the columns of Address Book behaved in a similar way to
  Message List's columns... For example if I have a group of "Friends"
  and an another for "Business", then I'd like to sort my friends by
  Name, and my business contacts by company.
  At present, the "sort by" affects all Address Book views.


Regards,
  SyP

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Re[3]: Is there an "expand all" when a folder is viewed threaded?

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Chuck Smith wrote at 4/9/2000, 3:25 AM

CS> I had been wondering the same thing myself. After playing around with
CS> your suggestion I found out that Crtl-+ will expand the active thread
CS> and Crtl-- will collapse active thread. Now does anyone know the
CS> keyboard shortcut to collapse all?

I haven't yet found it, but you can always do ALT+0 then ALT+1 (if you
are using threading by references) :)

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Re: Read message delay

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Simon wrote at 4/11/2000, 11:26 PM

S> A Chairde,

S>  Is there any way to decrease the time for a message to be recognised as
S>  being read?
.
S>  Is there a setting somewhere I've missed?
 
Account -> Properties -> Options -> Time of reading to mark a message as read.

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Re[2]: Using TB! as a mail server?

[SyP]

Hello Januk and TB users,

Januk Aggarwal wrote at 4/14/2000, 11:08 AM

JA>  Perhaps a picky point, but if you filter messages from account A to
JA>  the inbox of Account B they are not treated as incoming messages.  At
JA>  least I could never get Account B's incoming message filters to
JA>  work, despite having "Continue Processing with other filters"
JA>  selected in all my filter sets.

That was discussed before:
Allie Martin wrote at 3/24/2000, 2:17 PM

AM> Though I'm a bit uncertain about the precise purpose of that
AM> option to "Continue processing with other filters", I know that it has
AM> nothing to do with running filters for separate accounts one after the
AM> other. Each accounts filtering has to be executed separately.

SYP> Is there any way for filters to work throughout accounts?
AM> Not the way that you're indicating.

Note that I would certainly support this idea. :)

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Filtering by Address Book entry - a wish

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

I have many friends, who have multiple email addresses. I even have
more then ten. Currently, if I want to be sure that Sorting Office
correctly filters, I must write like this:
Location: Sender Presence: Yes Strings: baz1@foo1|baz2@fool|baz3@foo3 etc.

I would like to be able to simply tell TB! to apply a filter to any
mail coming from a single entry in Address Book. (in which there are
all email addresses listed for a person) And then, to apply to all
entry from a Group.

What do you think about that?
Or is there some alternative way of doing it?

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Re[2]: Vote for The Bat!

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Mark R Harding wrote at 4/17/2000, 3:08 PM

MRH> Quite interesting... I had a look at the reviews of Netscape Messenger

Some LookOut review excerpts:

- Good as long you do not use it for E-Mail

- Avoid it if your email is important to you!

- For the love of God and all things good and decent, do not use this
software. In typical M$ fashion, this software is bloated and buggy.
That's just assuming you run the software locally. Don't even attempt
to run Outlook on a network...

ROTFL

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Re: About color groups

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

yice wrote at 4/20/2000, 5:02 AM

y> Hello ,

y> Just  now  I upgraded my TB to 1.42 b18, And I found a new feature,
y> color  group. I think this is a respond of RIT to user's request and a
y> good  one.  But I also found this feature only can be set to a message
y> manually.   I  don't  find  the  correspond  action  in  the  sorting
y> office. I hope it can be set automatically  by a filter. Does I use this
y> feature in a wrong way?

It is there:
Sorting Office -> Actions -> Set The Message's Color Group To

Please note that your question should have been posted to TBBETA, not
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Re: Corrupted message base?

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Michael Heydekamp wrote at 4/20/2000, 6:24 PM

MH> Could not create a new index of message base

MH> The same happens when I invoke "Compress all folders" from the Folder
MH> menu. When I try to delete the most recent message that arrived in this
MH> folder, TB! hangs.

Could it be that you don't have enough disk space on TB's partition?

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Re: wishing...

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Alberto Almagioni wrote at 4/21/2000, 11:30 AM

AA>   Is it possible to make "automatically check email every x minutes"
AA>   feature working with a password protected account even if it's not
AA>   open?
  

Try checking Account -> Properties -> Options -> Allow send/fetch
without entering the account's password (if any)

I think that will do it...

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Re: Re-Sending Messages

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Adam wrote at 4/22/2000, 7:56 PM

SA> Can't find this on the FAQ, but how do I re-send a message I
SA> have already sent, if I want to edit it first. If I redirect I have to
SA> retype in the "to" address, is there not a "resend" which allows
SA> editing ?
Somewhat ugly, but you can copy the message to Outbox, then
double-click on it to edit.

SA> Also, lastly :) Is there a way to save an attachment with the
SA> message so that even if the attachment file is deleted off the pc,
SA> it stays within the body of a message as it does in Outlook ?

1) If attachments are stored under TB's directory, you won't delete it
inadvertantly.

2) You can Export the message, then the attachements will be in one
(big) .MSG file.

Please clarify what you meant.

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Printing of quoted text in bold? - and other quoting issues

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote at 4/22/2000, 7:08 PM

> This line is printed in bold, while...
 >  this line is not.

JAL> Anything I can do about this in TB!?

I would add that C source code often looks silly in TB.
Consider:

dprintk("RPC: %4d exit() = %d\n", task->tk_pid, task->tk_status);
status = task->tk_status;
if (task->tk_exit)
task->tk_exit(task);

 I suggest that if a ">" character is preceded by a "-" than TB
 shouldn't consider it as quotation. Please, developers! :)

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Re[2]: Re-Sending Messages

[SyP]

Hello Januk,

You wrote at 4/22/2000, 8:19 PM

JA>  I think the reference was, when you send an attachment, the copy of
JA>  the message that TB puts in the Sent folder does not contain the
JA>  attachment.
.
.
.
JA>  (This is really only relevant if you have the "Store Attachments in
JA>  message Body" enabled. Otherwise this whole discussion is somewhat
JA>  pointless.)

Thank you for explaining!

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Re[2]: SOT OT Hmmmm.

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Paula Ford wrote at 4/22/2000, 10:28 PM

PF> What does GOT mean?

_Grossly_ off-topic?

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Re: Two [probably impossible] wishes

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Sir Jinx! wrote at 4/23/2000, 6:47 PM

SJ>  -  Can  we  have a macro for inserting signatures in
SJ>  random  order?:) I know, signature should be in that
SJ>  case  "oneliners",  but  who  know, maybe there is a
SJ>  way!?:)

But, we have that! :)
Either insert %COOKIE to your templates
 (and then Account->Properties->Templates->Cookies should contain your
 signatures)

or put your signatures in a file, and then insert a line to your
templates like the one below:
 
%COOKIE="F:\Program Files\The Bat!\haiku.txt"

You can have multiple-line cookies, just write it in one line, and put
a "\n" after every line. It works!

I don't believe that TB serves the cookies in truly random order, but
at least it's not always the same.

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Re: Send and save to folder in one operation.

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Hello Christian,

You wrote at 4/25/2000, 7:25 PM

CD> Hello TBUDL,

CD>   What I would like to be able to do is "Send and save to folder" in
CD>   one operation. I was able to do this with my Linux mailer
CD>   (Postilion) and it was really handy. You could send a mail to "Bob"
CD>   and have it saved to the folder "Bob" in one operation.

If you exchange messages with "Bob" regularly, then you may want to
create an Outgoing Filter for him (See Sorting Office).

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Re[2]: Reading with Space-Bar

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Hello The Bat! users,

Thomas Fernandez wrote at 4/25/2000, 8:06 PM

TF> You can set the time somewhere. I have set it to 0 seconds. Don't
TF> remember where that was.

 Account->Properties->Options->Time to mark a message as read.

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Re: Writing myself out of the editor! [BUG]

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Hello The Bat! users,

Christian Dysthe wrote at 4/27/2000, 7:31 AM

CD>When I reach the bottom bar writing an e-mail the "active" line,
CD>the one I am writing, is below the bar. I can not see what I am
CD>writing. The auto scroll comes a line "too late" it seems.

CD>Have anyone else noticed this?

Yes!

When I compose a NEW message, it doesn't happen, but if I REPLY to
one, and then scroll down to the bottom of the editor window, it seems
that TB somehow loses track of the window's boundaries...

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Re: Please Help a Newbie

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Hello The Bat! users,

Gene Brown wrote at 4/29/2000, 4:15 PM

GB> I'm finally getting out of Outlook Express (thank the gods!) and into
GB> The Bat!, but I'm having a problem importing my old folders.  The
GB> Import Wizard did a partial job but doesn't recognize many of the old
GB> folders (in two different accounts, I might add).  How can I do this
GB> manually?
IIRC the 1.42 betas performed better in importing Ootlook folders. You
can give it a try: http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

GB> A second question has to do with selective quoting in replying to
GB> messages. I understand how to use the F4 key to quote a selected
GB> passage, but is there a simple way to quote _several_ selected and
GB> highlighted passages?
Make a wish about it.
There is a wish list, there: http://www.konstantin-online.de/bat/

GB> A final (for now) question has to do with TB documentation.  Is there
GB> a place I can find a single, comprehensive description of the TB
GB> features--basically, a user manual?
That would be handy, I agree.

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Re[2]: TB! WishList

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Hello The Bat! users,

Steve Lamb wrote at 4/30/2000, 2:02 PM

>> 3. Extremely important: Mailing List Support
SL> Already there, folder templates.

He meant that if you are in a miling list's folder, and hit CTRL+N,
the new message should be automagically addressed to the list.

>> 7. Forward/Reply of multiple msg
>> Merge them into one, attach all attachments in the forward mode to the
>> merged text file. Add up all the subjects into one and put it into the
>> subject field. Duplicate subjects should not be added in this line.
>> Probably a good idea to make it optional too.

SL> Bad idea since the subjects can exceed the 1024 limit on headers.
I don't like this subject thing too, but a way to forward more than
one message at once would be cool. (and exporting the messages to .MSG
files and attaching doesn't count!)

>> 14. Account polling
>> It would be nice to be able to poll any and all accounts into one in
>> TB! instead of creating more than one at home.
SL> HUH?
To check more than one POP account in one user account.

Maybe in version 2...

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Re: TB! WishList

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Hello The Bat! users,

Eberhard Hafermalz wrote at 4/30/2000, 1:55 PM

EH> 2. HTML editor
EH> Has anyone found such a thing in "TB!"?
In version 2. :)

EH> 13. Add Sender To AddressBook
EH> Doesn't work in b19.
You mean right-click on message and Add sender? It works for me in
Beta20

EH> 14. Account polling
EH> It would be nice to be able to poll any and all accounts into one in
EH> TB! instead of creating more than one at home.
Will be in version 2. (I'd hope sooner)

EH> One final remark: It would be nice if the community would be able to
EH> take a glance at the authors' ToDo list.
YES!

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Re[2]: TB! WishList

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Hello Steve,

Steve Lamb wrote at 4/30/2000, 5:00 PM

>> He meant that if you are in a miling list's folder, and hit CTRL+N,
>> the new message should be automagically addressed to the list.

SL> I am aware of that. You define a template for that folder to add
SL> the mailing list address. you hit CNTL-N and it is there. What
SL> part of that does not coincide with what he wants?

Ooops, you are right. I forgot it because I generally don't define %TO
in folder-level templates.

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Re[2]: TB! WishList

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Hello The Bat! users,

Jast wrote at 5/2/2000, 3:14 PM

>>  Not really.  Just have each account set to check mail every few
>>  minutes.  If you have a permanent connection that works like a charm.
>>  If you don't have a permanent connection, it still works pretty well,
>>  except that TB doesn't have an offline mode.  That is a little
>>  annoying at times.

J>  How is it annoying? I have one account set to check mail every minute.
J>  When I'm online it does just that. When I'm off, I am not bothered.

J>  Possibly you're missing the option "No automatical dial for periodicaly
J>  checking" in Options/Network&Administration?

But if you use more than one connection regularly, you must select
"Local Area Network or manual connection". And then TB! checks your
mail regardless of being online or not.

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Re: Messed up replies to Outlook messages

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Hello jwayne,
 
You wrote on 2004.01.25., 4:23:

jwayne> TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an
jwayne> Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user.

Please confirm it on bugtracker:
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002366

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Re: Why does The Bat! make a new entry in the Registry every time it launches?

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Hello Stan Robins,
 
You wrote on 2004.02.07., 19:11:

Stan> According to Greyware Registry Rearguard, The Bat! make a new entry in
Stan> the Registry every time it launches. (WinXP)
...
>> --New Settings--
>> The Bat!=C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe
>> 
>> 

Stan> I would expect the engineers to be able to demonstrate that recreating
Stan> the entry upon every launch is indispensable to some essential feature
Stan> of the software.

I bet you have "Options -> Preferences -> General -> Restart after
system halt" checked. If it is, Bat! puts a key to the registry at
program startup, and removes it at program shutdown.

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Re: Gmail import

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Hello Ravi,
 
You wrote on 2004.06.26., 13:34:

Ravi> Does anyone have suggestions on how to import email from TB into Gmail?

 Tools --> Export into Unix mailbox format.
Then run Google GMail Loader (GML) - http://www.marklyon.org/gmail/

I can't guarantee it'll work, 'cause I haven't tried it myself! :)

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Re: Shortcuts on Bat2.0

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Hello Peter,
 
You wrote on 2004.06.29., 22:34:

> With TB! 1.x, I was able to change the block selection type from
> columnar to linear to stream. It stopped working with TB! 2. Are
> there new short cuts or is it gone? Thanks.

Switch block type to stream (default)   Ctrl+O K
Switch block type to column Ctrl+O C
Switch block type to linear Ctrl+O L

It's in the Help file, under block commands...

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Re: TB hanging while receiving messages from POP3 server

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Hello Jim,
 
You wrote on 2004.07.05., 18:41:

Jim> I use ZoneAlarm Pro 5.0.590.043 as a firewall

I bet ZoleAlarm is the culprit there.
Please try to do a mail check with Zonealarm disabled.
As I heard on lot of mailing lists, ZA's known to create mysterious
network problems with Windows NT/2000/XP, while perhaps being a good
firewall choice for the 95/98/ME Windows line.

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Re: Flagging?

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Oliver Sturm wrote at 5/5/2000, 8:30 PM

OS> Hi there,

OS>   What's that new flagging function for?

It's for mark a message visually, perhaps because you want to deal
with it a later date...

Of course you could use parking instead (but then you can't delete the
message till unparked), or the new color group feature (but it can do
much more than flagging).

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Re[2]: Flagging?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Steve Lamb wrote at 5/5/2000, 10:15 PM

SL> Too bad there isn't a keyboard shortcut attached to these so one can just
SL> mark messages without resorting to the moose.

What about Ctrl+G? :)

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Re[2]: Flagging?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Steve Lamb wrote at 5/5/2000, 10:36 PM

SL>>> Too bad there isn't a keyboard shortcut attached to these so one can just
SL>>> mark messages without resorting to the moose.

>> What about Ctrl+G? :)

SL> What is CNTL-G, doesn't do anything here.

Ctrl+G toggles the state of the flag here... Maybe you assigned
something other function to CTRL+G, either in TB! hot-keys or in
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Re[3]: Flagging?

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Hello The Bat! users,

SyP (I) wrote at 5/5/2000, 10:50 PM

S> Ctrl+G toggles the state of the flag here... Maybe you assigned
S> something other function to CTRL+G, either in TB! hot-keys or in
S> Windows?

Stupid me, obviously you didn't put flagging into the column
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Re: Filtering

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Hello The Bat! users,

Oliver Sturm wrote at 5/6/2000, 12:25 PM

OS> Hi there,
.
.
OS> Is there some way to use the email
OS> address instead of the display name?

 Try View->Display->Advanced Filtering...->Header->Sender's name
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Re: Removing Dupes / Re: Flagging? & Color Groups

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Hello The Bat! users,

Douglas Hinds wrote at 5/6/2000, 3:54 PM

MP>> 3) Memos- Memos can be added to messages

DH> I don't see where to add them (not in "specials" or other part of
DH> right click menu)

Shift+Ctrl+I (Memo autoview). Not nice enough, but works.

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Re[2]: Filtering

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Hello The Bat! users,

I wrote at 5/6/2000, 3:21 PM

S>  Try View->Display->Advanced Filtering...->Header->Sender's name
S>  contains [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Huh, just tried it to be absolutely sure, and it DOESN'T WORK for me!
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Re: [BUG?]

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Hello The Bat! users,

Quin Selman wrote at 5/6/2000, 6:43 PM

QS> Hello TBUDL,

QS>   Is anyone else experiencing this? In testing the SHIFT+click to open
QS>   a URL in new window, I noticed TB! selects a variable number of
QS>   lines (sometimes including partial lines) above or below the link.

Yes, same here. It's because the shift+click combination is also used
when you select part of the message text with the mouse.

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Re: secure POP?

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Hello Gord,

please don't use Reply to make a new message completely unrelated to
the one you are replying. Instead just create a new contact in Address
Book for TBUDL and write a new message to that address. Thank you.

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Re[2]: [BUG?]

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SyP (I) wrote at 5/6/2000, 6:59 PM
   ^^^
S> Yes, same here. It's because the shift+click combination is also used
S> when you select part of the message text with the mouse.

Huh! Anybody else receiving this approx. 3 hours later?

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Re[2]: Flagging?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Cristian Secara wrote on 5/8/2000, 10:34 AM


CS> Just curious - these memos can be activated by filters ?
CS> For example, I wish any incoming mail from Allie to be automatically
CS> flagged as red (or whatever).
CS> Is this possible ?

Filters cannot (yet?) touch memos. However, changing color group by
incoming filter is certainly possible - take a look at the filter's
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Addr.Book question

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Hello The Bat! users,

Is there a way to export the picture(s) from Address Book?

If TB does not support it, does someone know the structure of Address
Books?

(I would like if there was a Save photo besides Change and Clear
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Re: Why is "thebat.exe" from tb142f.zip so big?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Mike Harlos wrote on 5/12/2000, 4:47 PM

MH> Hi,

MH>   I downloaded tb142f.zip, and found that it only contains
MH>   thebat.exe

MH>   This is a 3,179 KB file, in contrast to the 1,679 KB file of TB!
MH>   1.42c executable.

If you liked the smaller executable, download UPX from http://upx.tsx.org !
It's a freeware, open source, executable compressor.
(And also can be used for commercial purposes)

My thebat.exe is now only takes up 1073 KB...

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Re[2]: Why is "thebat.exe" from tb142f.zip so big?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Steve Lamb wrote on 5/12/2000, 7:39 PM

>> My thebat.exe is now only takes up 1073 KB...

SL> On disk. It is still 3.1Mb in memory. The run-time compressors
SL> were cool in the day when the 240Mb HD was "large". In these days
SL> of 12Gb drives at Best Buy for $89 the difference between 1mb and
SL> 3mb is pittance.

OK, call me petty-minded if you like, but I don't like wasting MBs if
I can avoid it... It's a matter of personal tastes, you know.

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Re[2]: Why is "thebat.exe" from tb142f.zip so big?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Tom Plunket wrote on 5/12/2000, 10:41 PM

TP> I'd rather waste CPU cycles decompressing than wait the extra time it
TP> takes to load (given the orders of magnitude of speed difference
TP> between reading off of disk versus out of L2 cache), but call me
TP> ridiculous.  Processor sitting in an idle loop isn't any different (in
TP> terms wear and tear) than it is decompressing data, the only
TP> difference is the time it takes to do it.

Me too. And if you don't want to waste CPU cycles, run distributed.net
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Re[2]: Why is "thebat.exe" from tb142f.zip so big?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote on 5/13/2000, 12:21 AM

AS> Of course _you_ can save some amount of *your* disk space but
AS> you're doing such a things as compressing executables at your own
AS> risk.
Of course. Not that I said it should be mandatory :)

AS> Personally I don't ever want to investigate application crashes
AS> and "gluks" (a Russian neologism) invoked by decompressors etc.

Usually if it doesn't crash at first start, it won't crash later...
And I don't compress DLLs, just big stand-alone EXEs, so far I don't
have much problem with it...

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Re: dual boot question

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Hello The Bat! users,

Szendrő István wrote on 5/15/2000, 9:47 AM

IS> Hello The Bat! Buddies,

IS> I have two hard disks, with the first partition of each bootable, and
IS> TB installed on both.

IS> Is there any way to use the *same* message base regardless of where I
IS> boot from?

Of course, set Account -> Properties -> Files & Directories to point
to the same directory in both installations.

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Re[2]: Digest (05/13/2000 22:54) Special Issue (#2000-211)

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Hello The Bat! users,

Alexander Krolop wrote on 5/14/2000, 1:33 AM

AK> 1. is there any easy way to encrypt my attachements by pgp with
AK> the bat?

TB can't use S/MIME yet, so the answer is: no, wait for version 2.
(grin)

AK> 2. is there any easy way to view incoming messages and my replys
AK> together like a thread.

Yes, filter them to one folder, then press ALT+1 to enter "thread by
references" (or see View -> view threads by None/References
(standard)/subject/from/to).


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Re[3]: dual boot question

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Hello The Bat! users,

Szendrő István wrote on 5/15/2000, 9:23 PM

IS> Your suggestion doesnt't solve my problem though.

IS> Attachments have their paths hard-coded in the message base. Since
IS> Windows changes the drive letter sequence when I boot from the other
IS> drive, these attachment paths in the message base will point to the
IS> wrong drive. :-(((

1) if one of your hard disk contains an NT, you can set the volumes'
letter in Disk Administrator.

2) I'm not sure but IIRC a decent bootmanager could solve the
d.l.sequence problems.

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Re[2]: Virtual desktop managers and The Bat!

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Hello The Bat! users,

Patrick Erler wrote on 5/17/2000, 8:02 PM


CD>>   Ideas?
PE> if you use nt/w2k, just do a ctrl-shift-esc, right-click "the bat" and
PE> press switch-to... in 95/98... mh...

In 95/98 run thebat.exe, then it will switch to the active TB!.


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Re: How to not expand addressees

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Hello The Bat! users,

Dierk Haasis wrote on 5/20/2000, 5:11 PM

DH>   A way round I use in the moment is to fill myself into the To-field
DH>   and all others in the BCC, which is rather clumsy.

AFAIK you don't need to put yourself in "TO". If you don't put
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Re: notes

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Hello The Bat! users,

Chris van Honk wrote on 5/14/2000, 7:33 PM

CvH> Hello Bat-sters

CvH>  I can't seem to figure out how to add a memo to an email.
CvH> Can anyone help?
CvH> Thanks

Hit Ctrl+Shift+I to enable memo-autoview, write your notes then save
it with the disk icon. You may also want to add memo field to folder's
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Re: Sending Mail with GMX SMTP server

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Hello The Bat! users,

Stefan Kuhs wrote on 5/20/2000, 9:41 PM

SK> Hello everybody,

SK> I can't send mail with the gmx.net smtp server when using The Bat.
SK> When using Netscape messenger it works without problems.

SK> SMTP: mail.gmx.net
SK> pop3: pop.gmx.net

SK> I use the gmx member number as login name (at GMX web mail u use your
SK> email address)

Check your From: name. GMX would't let you send email with a FROM
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Re[3]: import from OE5

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Hello The Bat! users,

Windisch Gergely wrote on 5/23/2000, 7:47 PM

WG> You are right about that... My friend wrote a mail to RIT, and he
WG> got this answer:

>> This is not possible, I am afraid. We do not know exact format of
>> OE 5 message base and therefore do not know where the received date
>> value lies...

It may be handy to have a look on OE2MBX, a GPLed Outlook Express 5 ->
Unix mailbox converter (currently in version 1.0, if that means
something):

http://www.micropop.com/code/

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Re[2]: Reply-To or From?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Oleg Zalyalov wrote on 5/25/2000, 6:44 AM

OZ> Remove  %to  from  reply  template. TB! handles list replies correctly
OZ> now. I don't have such definition in my template.

No offense, but would you please tell why your replies are always
opening a new thread? Maybe something other in your template? :)

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Re: Folder Properties

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Hello The Bat! users,

Kevin Coates wrote on 6/1/2000, 7:43 PM

KC> How does one change the folder properties in this version? I used to
KC> be able to right mouse click on a folder, but now the properties
KC> option doesn't appear.

Press CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+/, and you will be right back in Expert mode.

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Re[2]: Folder Properties

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Hello Kevin,

You wrote on 6/1/2000, 9:23 PM

KC> Thanks SyP, that did the trick.
My pleasure :)

KC> Is there a menu toggle for this Expert mode anywhere? I didn't see
KC> anything regarding this while scanning the help file either.

If there were, you needn't be an expert to use it, and it wouldn't be
called "Expert" mode :)

KC> Another one of The Bats! hidden mysteries I suppose. 8^)
Oh yes. And don't really know what it's good for, either.

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Re[2]: Options\Language\...?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Thomas Fernandez wrote on 6/6/2000, 5:55 PM

A>>  What is the format of thebat.lng?

TF> It's an ASCII file, you can open and manipulate it with any
TF> plain-text editor.

Sure it isn't. Last time I checked it looked like a Delphi form file
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Re[2]: Options\Language\...?

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Hello Thomas,

You wrote on 6/7/2000, 6:34 AM

S>> Sure it isn't. Last time I checked it looked like a Delphi form file
S>> (.dfm)

TF> Last time *I* checked (about half a minute ago), it still had the
TF> extension .lng and was a text file. ;-)

Mine isn't. I have the latest International Pack installed. If a plain
text version exists, I don't have that. Where do you got yours?
(I'm interested in translation, too.)

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Re[2]: Options\Language\...?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Peter Steiner wrote on 6/7/2000, 7:05 PM

PS> What SyP meant is that the file *looks* like a Delphi Form file, but
PS> has been renamed to .lng.
Exactly.

PS> I don't know Delphi, but i guess this is indicated by the (magic?)
PS> starting sequence of FBPRPBP.
I haven't ever used Delphi 2 (the language TB written in), but my
Delphi 3 forms all start with "FF 0A" in hex.

I thought it's a Delphi form file 'cause it contains strings like
Label1..Label20, GroupBox etc. - the names of TB's visual components.

PS> Thomas, doesn't your .lng file start with FBPRPBP?
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Re: batxxxx.tmp files

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Hello tracer,

You wrote on 6/7/2000, 2:55 PM

t>   I have at present 2100 of those in my windows.tmp directory.
t>   1. why do I get them
t>   2. could someone teach the bat to leave its droppings elswhere
t>   (g)??

In normal cases, TB deletes its temporary files just like any
well-behaving Windows citizen... Maybe they are the remains of many
abnormal terminations.

If you don't like to worry about files cluttering your windows/temp
directory, you may want to put this somewhere in your startup
sequence (autoexec.bat if you use Win9x):
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@MD C:\Windows\Temp
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Re[2]: Question About Nicknames/Handles

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Hello The Bat! users,

Jast wrote on 6/9/2000, 8:18 PM

J>  I confirm and agree, multiple handles in a row should be expanded as well.

Just enter the nicknames separated by semicolons (;) and itt will
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Re: Is TB supposed to work in Windows 3.1?

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Hello Deryk,

you wrote:

Deryk> Well well, I got TB to work in Win3.1!  Took a little tweaking ;)
Deryk> Check the screenshot
Deryk> http://www.cloudk.clara.net/tb31.jpg

Have WindowBlinds been involved in the "little tweaking"? :)

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Re: Win95 to Win98

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Hello The Bat! users,

Jack LaRosa wrote on 6/11/2000, 10:02 PM

JL> Well, the bottom line is that I was able to get everything back
JL> (almost) from my original TB! folder. The key combo CTRL-SHIFT-ALT-L
JL> always returned a message saying 0 folders recovered, so that didn't
JL> work. However, to make a very long story shorter, I deleted the TB!
JL> folder from my system using CONTROL PANELs "Add/Remove Programs" so
JL> that every vestige of TB! was removed from my system. I then ran the
JL> v1.44 executable and created the one user, me. When TB! started, there
JL> I was. I then created the only other account I had (my SO), and then
JL> exited TB!. Once the program was closed, I used WINDOWS EXPLORER to
JL> delete the TB! folder from my system. This left all registry entries
JL> intact since I didn't use CONTROL PANEL to delete the folder this
JL> time.
I don't understand, so at first you uninstalled TB from your system,
then your Registry-stored settings are gone - it doesn't matter if you
then installed TB again!

JL> Once it was gone I copied a previously saved TB! folder, again
JL> using WINDOWS EXPLORER, from a ZIP disk over to it's proper place
JL> on my hard drive. The next time I launched TB!, everything was
JL> back in place.

JL> The only problem I've encountered so far is that when I click on the
JL> "down arrow" to the right of the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE button, the
JL> arrow stays depressed but none of my "favorites" are displayed.

That arrow doesn't mean "Favourites", it means "History". Your history
disappeared, because it is stored in Registry, under
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\History strings\TO HISTORY

Try to right-click on the TO field isntead, your favourites will
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Re[2]: Bug o what?

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Hello Jason,

You wrote on 6/12/2000, 1:29 PM

JT> I don't believe the address book TBUDL template will be used in a
JT> message to Someone , but a TBUDL folder's reply template
JT> will be used in any replies generated in that folder.

FYI: it works for me with the Address Book's reply template.

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Re: Import/export

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Hello The Bat! users,

Nick wrote on 6/13/2000, 9:57 PM

N> I have tried the last days to import and export messages from and to
N> outlook.
N> I couldn't do it.
N> Anyone can help?

Please be a bit more specific! Have you got any error message etc.

Make sure that
1) you are importing with Mailbox Import Wizard -> Outlook Express 5
2) Outlook is not running (it locks the mailbox files)

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Re: Possible to set a folder to always send message to same address?

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Mike Harlos wrote on 6/15/2000, 9:26 PM

MH>   Is there a way to set the properties for the list folder so that
MH>   the messages (replies and new) always go to the list address?

Create folder-level templates, and in the Reply template override the
TO: with the list address.

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Re: sending mail

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Hello The Bat! users,

Larry Barrett wrote on 6/15/2000, 10:54 PM

LB> Greetings,

LB> More than likely, I am missing something quite simple - but - is there
LB> a  setting that allows one to retrieve mail *and* send from the Outbox
LB> with just one action?

 Account -> Properties -> Transport -> Combined Delivery (send+receive)

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Re[3]: Possible to set a folder to always send message to same address?

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Hello Mike,

You wrote on 6/15/2000, 10:57 PM

MH> I was able to change the "Reply To" header for my own messages by
MH> going to the Identity tab; I was hoping that there would be a "To: "
MH> section on the Identities tab that I could put the List address in.

Insert this into your Reply template:
%TO="" %TO="Listname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
the first will clear the TO: field, the second will add the new
recipient.

And if your time permits check "Template Macros" in TB's help. :-)

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Re[3]: sending mail

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Hello Chris,

You wrote on 6/17/2000, 11:08 PM

CW> In a similar vein is it possible to force TB! to collect mail from all
CW> accounts with one click?

Hit ALT+F2, or set a system-hot key under Options/Define System
Hot-Keys for "Check mail for all accounts".

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Re: win95->98 problems

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Hello The Bat! users,

octave klaba wrote on 6/21/2000, 7:36 PM

ok> and I tried to copy all Mail directory for the old
ok> pc to new one: (1.4Go - 37 pop - about 12 emails).

ok> I have nothing inside of the new TB! !!
ok> I tried ctrl-alt-shift-L but it does not give all
ok> filters, old emails etc.

The problem is, TB stores a lot of its configuration in the Windows
Registry.

If you still have your old PC around, save the RIT_Labs entries from
Win95's Registry, and import it to your Win98.  There is a batch file
capable of backuping TB's reg. settings, you can grab it from me:

ftp://193.225.135.133/bckup.bat

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Re: How can I set another font?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Johannes M. Posel wrote on 6/24/2000, 9:36 PM

JMP> hi there list,

JMP> TB only shows me 5 fonts in the Editor Setup. I'd like to use on that
JMP> aint listed but it won't let me select it nor type the name in the
JMP> window. Any clue?

TB's editor uses fixed width fonts only, unless you explicitly modify
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font in Windows
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Re: 2 Questions: Setting Identity and Reply Subject Field

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Hello The Bat! users,

Warren wrote on 6/26/2000, 9:56 PM

W> I should be able to set a unique identity ("From Name", "From Address", and
W> "Organization") for ANY number of folders, but it doesn't seem to be working for
W> the majority of them.  In fact, in only one folder other than "Inbox" have I
W> been able to set a unique identity.  For the others, though it appears in the
W> "Properties", the From settings default to the, well, default for the account.
W> Is there a limit on the number of separate identities?
Strange, it works for me.
(maybe you override it with an addressbook-level template?)

W> I tried, in fact, to use an alias to subscribe to this list, but the list server
W> kept responding with my default identity.  Strangely enough, examining the
W> headers of the outbound message showed the alias' settings and not the default
W> identity. Go figger.
Did you changed the Reply-to settings as well?

W> Also, I want to remove the Reply Counter from replies.  Not all mail clients
W> recognize it and it ends up producing huge subject lines in a long thread.
W> I've set the Reply Template's first line to %SUBJECT="Re: %OREPLYCOUNTER%OSUBJ"
W> It seems to have the desired effect, but is that the correct syntax?  Will it
W> prevent accurate threading of the messages?
It is sufficient to simple put %SINGLERE in your reply template.  If
the others are using "threading by references" (not all mailers can do
this) then the subject absolutely doesn't matter.

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Language compiler

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Hello The Bat! users,

Stanislav Polozov wrote on 6/7/2000, 2:56 PM

SP>   In the end of this month Max is going to release stand-alone LNG
SP>   compiler, so, everybody will be able to compile his language
SP>   himself, to see how it works and to debug it.

How is it going?  Eagerly waiting. :]

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Re[2]: (SOT) Re: ZDNet Shareware Awards

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Hello Allie,

You wrote on 7/10/2000, 8:31 PM

Allie> By the way, I ran that above paragraph through my text cleaner and
Allie> this is what it read:

Did you mean that literally?  What text cleaner?

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Re: How to improve the translations

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Hello Hans,

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 8:27 AM

HH> Can anyone tell how I can change the
HH> translations in the thebat.lng file.

HH> I am dutch, and about 90% is translated in dutch, but there
HH> are some english and german translations left.

Stanislav Polozov wrote (sometimes in June, IIRC)

SP>   In the end of this month Max is going to release stand-alone LNG
SP>   compiler, so, everybody will be able to compile his language
SP>   himself, to see how it works and to debug it.

Max wrote on 7/7/2000 responding to my inquiry:

Max> I'm in St.Petersburg, Russia now, the compiler will be ready as
Max> soon as I get back home.

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Re[2]: OK, what am I missing?

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Hello Tom,

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 7:20 PM

Tom> No. I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
Tom> all threads, but there is no auto-expand.

Here  Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands all threads, but Alt-(Numpad)* collapses
only the current thread.

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Re: Newbie questions

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Hello Katsmeow,

let me first ask you to not begin a new thread by replying to an
unrelated mail, because it messes up the threaded view. Thanks.

You wrote on 7/13/2000, 8:42 PM

K> Anyway, I've read the help files but still have questions (and
K> probably more to come):
Fine.

K> 1. What is a "colour group"? How do you use it and how do you
K> create it?

You can assign each message in the message list to a "colour group".
It makes a better visual experience when navigating the folders.

You can create a colour group in Option -> Message List Colours.
You can set the font's script, style, and colour for read and unread
states separately.
In Sorting Office -> * -> Rule -> Actions you can set the colour
group, or you can filter on it (see the Advanced tab)

K> 2.  What is the purpose of flagging a message?  Is it only that it
K> puts a red flag next to the message?
Yes.  Before flagging I usually used parking to mark a message, but it
has the side effect that I cannot remove the message in one step, so I
better like flagging. (And I am still able to use parking for
important mail)

K> 3. Is there anything in The Bat comparable to labels in Eudora? If
K> so, what?
I do not know Eudora, but maybe Memos worth a look.

K> 4. Searching. How to do you search across all mailboxes.
There are three radiobuttons in the search dialog:
o search in folder
o search in current account
o search in all accounts
The latter two options are relevant.

K> Alternatively is there a way to search across specified mailboxes?
K> This is fairly easily done in Eudora.
Not one I know.

K> 5. I read somewhere that the next version will have MAPI. I saw
K> speculation that would be out in February this year but obviously
K> that is delayed. Any ideas when the next version will be out and
K> why it is held up?
I would not expect TB2 to appear in this year, maybe beta versions...

K> 6.  Anyone know if additional font choices are expected for later
K> versions.

K> 7.  Oh, when writing a message, is there any easy way to switch back
K> to the main The Bat page?  I find myself needing to do so, and find it
K> less than easy to do so.

What about Alt+Tab switching or clicking to the main TB page?

K> Thanks for any help.
You're welcome.

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Re: Three weeks of mail--gone!

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Hello The Bat! users,

Mitch Wagner wrote on 7/14/2000, 7:54 PM

MW> I do know that when I came in this morning, The Bat! was missing
MW> three weeks worth of e-mail from the inbox of one of my
MW> accounts--everything from the end of June back to yesterday. This
MW> is vexing; I needed to check some of that e-mail.

Please check if you have Folder->Properties->(Keep messages in message
base for XX days | maximum number of stored messages) checked.

Just a thought.

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Re: filter aid please?

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Hello Jason,

You wrote on 7/15/2000, 8:54 AM

JT> I'd like to set up a filter to run an FTP server when I receive a
JT> message with the subject, "start ftp".

JT> I tried creating a .lnk shortcut to the server with the directory
JT> specified in the Start In Directory field, then pointing Bat! to
JT> execute the .lnk instead of directly to the .exe. However, Bat! will
JT> not run the shortcut. The log reports:
JT> FILTER - Could not start process for rule FTP request The system
JT> cannot find the file specified.

JT> I only hope I am making sense here! So, can anyone suggest a work-
JT> around solution? TIA.

What about creating a .cmd or .bat file with contents like that:
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
cd /d f:\progra~1\winrar
f:\progra~1\winrar\winrar.exe
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
and then tell TB to execute "command /c younameit.bat" ?
(/d works in NT4's cmd.exe, I don't know if this switch exists in Win98)

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Re[3]: More newbie Questions

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Hello The Bat! users,

Katsmeow wrote on 7/15/2000, 6:21 PM

K> Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K> messages?


Hit ESC.

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Re[3]: filter aid please?

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Hello Jason,

You wrote on 7/15/2000, 7:56 PM

JT> Too late I realize that I probably could have stuck with the .lnk
JT> shortcut by having TB execute:
JT> start shortcut.lnk
JT> It's a Win95/8 thing anyway... Dunno if it's in NT.

That was what I tried at first, but "start shortcut.lnk" simply
started cmd.exe in the current directory.

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Re: Another message base change in 1.45?

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Hello Paula,

You wrote on 7/15/2000, 6:43 PM

PF> There is a note on the RIT Labs page for the download of 1.45/7 that
PF> says:

PF> Attention! This version has a new structure of message base.
PF> Please, backup your existing message base before running!

PF> Is this another change since the one for 1.42?

No, but the disclaimer remained. Presumably that way people still
using a pre-1.42 version won't get burned by the conversion, people
using newer versions will disregard the disclaimer when seen at the
second time... Well maybe not :-)

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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

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Hello Paula,

You wrote on 7/15/2000, 7:17 PM

PF> It's not necessary ordinarily to move a message in order to filter
PF> it.

At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
be the same.

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Re[2]: Another message base change in 1.45?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Christian Dysthe wrote on 7/17/2000, 5:04 PM

CD> Hello Paula,

CD> It sure would be helpful if the page said something to respect:

CD> "This only if you upgrade from 1.41 or below".

CD> That wouldn't bloat the page, would it? :)

The page already says:

Page> Attention! The Bat! starting from version 1.42 has a new structure of
Page> message base.

Page> Please, backup your existing message base before running if you are
Page> upgrading from a verion earlier than 1.42!

"verion" should be "version".

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Re[2]: "Corrupt" TBI file -- should I use a backup?

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Hello The Bat! users,

Marck D. Pearlstone wrote on 7/21/2000, 11:29 PM

DH>> And the Flagging, color groups, memos, ... are lost!?

MDP> It  shouldn't be. The TBI files are only the indexes to the mail-base.
MDP> They  speed up access to the TBB data content. The TBB files are where
MDP> the actual data is held.

I'm sure that at least memos are stored in the index files... Probably
the other two are too...

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Re[2]: Catching CC'd Mail

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Hello Jast,

You wrote on 8/1/2000, 11:00 PM

Jast> To ensure that CC'd mail to different groups goes to both, I
Jast> usually filter on reply-to header (which most list servers
Jast> support). So for BUDL i filter on string
Jast> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jast>  Works flawlessly AFAIK

Doesn't for mailing lists of the
don't-set-reply-to-put-everybody-into-the-CC-line-and-watch-it-growing
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Re[2]: Catching CC'd Mail

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Hello The Bat! users,

Curtis (Allie :) wrote on 8/1/2000, 10:50 PM

Nick> I remember having this problem before, and never did get it
Nick> sorted out... just decided to live with the problem. How does
Nick> everyone else cope with CC'd mail?

Allie> I don't know a way out of that dilemma. I usually move them
Allie> manually to their respective locations. In fact I've been
Allie> deleting Thomas' CC'd messages thinking they were duplicates.

It's easy, don't filter by recipient, rather try to find something in
the header which differentiates (is this word even exist?) the mailing
lists.

For example, I filter out TBUDL messages by this rule:

Location: Kludges
Presence: Yes
String: "X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

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Re[3]: Threading question

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Hello The Bat! users,

Windisch Gergely wrote:

WG> Let's see:

WG> Those that support it:

WG> The Bat! :)
WG> Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 (And newer)
WG> Mozilla 4.51 (I think It's Netscape Messenger) (And newer)
WG> Calypso Version 3.00.00.13 (2)
WG> Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416
WG> Pegasus Mail for Win32
WG> QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58

PINE seemingly doesn't use References, only the In-Reply-To, but it is
enough for TB to do the threading.

WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) - GMX Webmail!

WG> Those that don't:

WG> Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
WG> Mozilla 4.05 (aka. Netscape Mess.)
WG> DPG (It is a Hungarian mail client)
WG> Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40)
WG> X-Messenger 2.0 Millenium edition, (c) Mage

Internet Mail Service
exmh
hotmail (and most webmail services - GMX is an exception)

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Re[2]: The magical mystical disappearing text trick.

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Hello The Bat! users,

Nick Andriash wrote on 8/10/2000, 7:13 PM

ND>> Any idea if it's ever been submitted as bug to Ritlabs?
I submitted it in January , then using v1.38e...

NA> Are you going to submit one?
I guess it still wouldn't hurt. :)

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