Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing

[The Janitor]

30 December 2006 - 17:29

Hello Gene,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 5:26:42 PM, you wrote:

MP>> http://www.antispamsniper.com/

G> Thanks! It looks like it may be a keeper!

Another  fan  here.  It  rarely makes a mistake and no apparent hit on
performance.

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Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Alexander,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:30:17 PM, you wrote:

ASK> Are you sure it is a false positive, ie. a legitimate message being
ASK> falsely classified as spam?

Definitely - I check the log daily, and once in awhile something gets
tagged. It happens so rarely it isn't a problem, especially since I
can whitelist it if it was from a friend.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Alexander,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:31:31 PM, you wrote:

ASK> Hello Peter Meyns & everyone else,

ASK> on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote:

G>>> K9 No updates since April 18, 2004?

>> So what? It works very well.

ASK> I just wanted to say the same. ;-)


I guess it would be foolish of me not to give that one a chance, too

Thanks for the heads-up

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Meyns & everyone else,

on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote:

G>> K9 No updates since April 18, 2004?

> So what? It works very well.

I just wanted to say the same. ;-)

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Richard H. Stoddard & everyone else,

on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:19 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote:

> K9 has proved to be remarkably accurate (99.6% typically, with only a
> false positive every few months)

Are you sure it is a false positive, ie. a legitimate message being
falsely classified as spam? I'm only asking because I'm using K9 for
"years" (at least it feels like that, I've been using it on my old
Windows installation, and now on this one, which will probably be the
last, anyway:-) and never ever had a false positive.

Excerpt from my K9 statistics:

Column 1: Since Mi Mrz 08 2006  06:57:27 (296 days)
Column 2: Since Mo Jun 05 2006  10:32:59 (207 days)

Number of emails re-classified to Good 0 0
Number of emails re-classified to Spam6356
Percent misidentified as Spam (false positives)0.00% 0.00%
Percent misidentified as Good (false negatives)0.34% 0.45%
  99.66%99.55%

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Gene,

on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:55:45 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 17:55 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

G> K9   No updates since April 18, 2004?

So what? It works very well. I only replaced it by AntiSpamSniper
(free version) because I preferred a plugin to an extra application
working as a proxy. Both programs are very efficient as they are. :)

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Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Roelof,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 8:35:28 AM, you wrote:

RO> The BayesIt plug-in is no longer included. It can be downloaded
RO> separately from:
RO> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi

Thanks. I guess I should read release notes more thoroughly. I don't
depend on BayesIt for the most part, since K9 has proved to be
remarkably accurate (99.6% typically, with only a false positive every
few months), but I've used BayesIt in tandem, hoping it would catch
the few that do slip through. So far, it hasn't, so maybe it's time to
check out the others.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Paul Meathrel]

Hi Gene,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote:
> AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now

I've used AntispamSniper for quite a few months now and my experience
has been quite good. Looking at my stats, I've received 33454 messages
and the error rate is 1.55%, of which false negatives are 1.21% and
false positives 0.33%. A

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Urban,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 12:49:40 PM, you wrote:

U> Friday, December 29, 2006, Gene wrote:

>> SpamPal  If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess
>> I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet

U> Hopefully, the world is a nice place and the Russian page should be
U> roughly equivalent to the official TB-info from SpamPal
U> http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html


Thanks! That looks to be a bit more work to set up, but has excellent
directions. I'll check them out

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Urban]

Friday, December 29, 2006, Gene wrote:

> SpamPal  If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess
> I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet

Hopefully, the world is a nice place and the Russian page should be
roughly equivalent to the official TB-info from SpamPal
http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Mark,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 10:47:34 AM, you wrote:

MP> Hello Gene,

MP> Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:33:30 PM, you wrote:

G>> Upon installation I am prompted that, "Unregistered version of product
G>> includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search
G>> Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate
G>> your copy."

G>> So, what I get for "free" is adware. Nice.

MP> I use this one: (paid version) and am very satisfied with it:

MP> http://www.antispamsniper.com/

MP> I a using Beta 1.8.0.1...

Thanks! It looks like it may be a keeper!


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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Akebono,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 11:18:51 AM, you wrote:

ATS> Dear Gene,

>> Upon installation I am prompted that, "Unregistered version of product
>> includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search
>> Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate
>> your copy."

ATS> In fact I registered my copy AGAVA and tmasrv.exe is still
ATS> showing up as a running process in Task Manager. I can't find
ATS> this adware under Add/Remove Programs.

ATS> How do I remove it?

I have no clue! As soon as I saw that it was Adware I aborted the
install however, I note that I *also* have tmasrv.exe running.



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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Graham,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 12:06:52 PM, you wrote:

GS> Hello Gene,


GS> Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote:


>> AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now

GS> I have been using this for some months now, and have found it very
GS> good. After training for a couple of days, I only very rarely get a good
GS> email labelled as spam and only occasionally does a spam get into my
GS> mail box.

GS> A much better experience than I had with BayesIt, and I thought it
GS> well worth the money.


Thanks! You are the second person to suggest this program. It looks
like it may well be worth it! I never really had poor performance from
BayesIt, but I do like this program's UI.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Graham Smith]

Hello Gene,


Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote:


> AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now

I have been using this for some months now, and have found it very
good. After training for a couple of days, I only very rarely get a good
email labelled as spam and only occasionally does a spam get into my
mail box.

A much better experience than I had with BayesIt, and I thought it
well worth the money.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Maxim,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 11:15:59 AM, you wrote:

>>>I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no
>>>anti-spam software was really current...

MM> 
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/detail.php?ID=1463&phrase_id=35322
No updates since August 28, 2005?

MM> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php

K9   No updates since April 18, 2004?
Spamihilator I don't speak German, plus it requires a log-in.
SpamPal  If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess
 I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet
AGAVAFree Adware

AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now

In short, the Ritlabs web site is just a mess outdated
information, outdated and broken links, pages in a language that the
reader doesn't speak, and stuff that nobody (*especially* Ritlabs
employees) has checked out.

I even wrote sales (twice) and warned them that this link (and others
like it) were still proudly displayed on their website
http://cu2.home.comcast.net/downloads.htm  ... but I guess they don't mind.

I really love The Bat!, but the documentation is nearly nil and the
web site is in great need of a makeover.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Akebono Translation Service]

Dear Gene,

> Upon installation I am prompted that, "Unregistered version of product
> includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search
> Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate
> your copy."

In fact I registered my copy AGAVA and tmasrv.exe is still showing up as a 
running process in Task Manager. I can't find this adware under Add/Remove 
Programs.

How do I remove it?

Best regards,

Loek van Kooten

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Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello Gene,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 17:33:30, you wrote:

>>I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no
>>anti-spam software was really current...

http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/detail.php?ID=1463&phrase_id=35322
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php


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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Mark Partous]

Hello Gene,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:33:30 PM, you wrote:

G> Upon installation I am prompted that, "Unregistered version of product
G> includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search
G> Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate
G> your copy."

G> So, what I get for "free" is adware. Nice.

I use this one: (paid version) and am very satisfied with it:

http://www.antispamsniper.com/

I a using Beta 1.8.0.1...

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Maxim,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 9:25:04 AM, you wrote:

MM> Hello Gene,

MM> Friday, December 29, 2006, 15:53:07, you wrote:

>>>Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated
>>>with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe.
MM> No, it only deletes the program files of BayesIt, not the database of 
spam/ham messages.

MM> We have removed BayesIt because it is quite unstable, we'd recommend to use 
another plugin.


Ok... nice. Just really, really, nice

I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no
anti-spam software was really current...except for one.. "AGAVA" which
was... "Developed with the assistance of the Ritlabs company, the
designer of "The Bat!" High quality of spam filtering guaranteed!"

So, I go to http://www.antispamservant.com/bat_plugin.shtml for the
"Free" plugin as described, "The free version is fully functional
and does not contain any limitations." I downloaded and prepared to
install the plugin.

Upon installation I am prompted that, "Unregistered version of product
includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search
Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate
your copy."

So, what I get for "free" is adware. Nice.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29-12-2006, 13:57 , where I
live), you wrote:

RHS> I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and
RHS> all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was
RHS> there when I installed the latest version,

The BayesIt plug-in is no longer included. It can be downloaded
separately from:
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi

RHS> Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release?

It's deliberate.

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Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello Gene,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 15:53:07, you wrote:

>>Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated
>>with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe.
No, it only deletes the program files of BayesIt, not the database of spam/ham 
messages. 

We have removed BayesIt because it is quite unstable, we'd recommend to use 
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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Peter,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 8:41:57 AM, you wrote:

PM> Hi Richard,

PM> on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 13:57 +0100GMT here),
PM> you wrote:

RHS>> Greetings,

RHS>> I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and
RHS>> all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing.

PM> Here is what Maxim Masiutin wrote about this topic on TBBeta:

PM> ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
PM> |   If you are using BayesIt filter plugin, please install
PM> |   http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi
PM> | 
PM> |   BayesIt will be removed from The Bat! Home and Professional MSI.
PM> |   This means that when you will install a new MSI of The Bat!, it will
PM> |   remove BayesIt. To keep BayesIt preserved, please install
PM> |   bayesit.msi before or after installing the new The Bat! MSI.
PM> `-


This begs the question, "where is all of the training information
kept?" The above instructions are not satisfactory if every time you
update The Bat! you lose all of your training data.


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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Gene]

Hello Richard,

Friday, December 29, 2006, 7:57:57 AM, you wrote:

RHS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
RHS> Hash: SHA256

RHS> Greetings,

RHS> I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and
RHS> all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was
RHS> there when I installed the latest version, since I also use K-9, which
RHS> catches almost all spam. I tried the various download sites, but can't
RHS> find a useable download - all of the sites give me a page not found
RHS> error.

RHS> Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? And where
RHS> can I find the latest version so I can re-install it?


Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated
with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe. I'm not *sure* that this is the
first release that causes that, though.

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Re: BayesIt Plugin missing

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Richard,

on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 13:57 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

RHS> Greetings,

RHS> I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and
RHS> all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing.

Here is what Maxim Masiutin wrote about this topic on TBBeta:

,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
|   If you are using BayesIt filter plugin, please install
|   http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi
| 
|   BayesIt will be removed from The Bat! Home and Professional MSI.
|   This means that when you will install a new MSI of The Bat!, it will
|   remove BayesIt. To keep BayesIt preserved, please install
|   bayesit.msi before or after installing the new The Bat! MSI.
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BayesIt Plugin missing

[Richard H. Stoddard]

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Hash: SHA256

Greetings,

I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and
all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was
there when I installed the latest version, since I also use K-9, which
catches almost all spam. I tried the various download sites, but can't
find a useable download - all of the sites give me a page not found
error.

Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? And where
can I find the latest version so I can re-install it?

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Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion

[MikeD (2)]

MM> try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too:
MM> www.antispamsniper.com

Well if we are mentioning alternatives .. agava's Bat plugin works
great for me.


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Re: Bayesit! Confusion

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Thursday, July 13, 2006, Bill McCarthy wrote:

> I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good
> success on my laptop.  About two months ago, my laptop
> developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's
> desktop (XP Pro SP2).

> I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it
> catch nothing :-(

try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too:
www.antispamsniper.com

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Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative

[Marten Gallagher]

>> ...I am now using K9

> Thanks for the advice.  Does it work with X-Ray?

Dunno - but here's the site...

http://keir.net/k9_faq.html

I don;t use X-Ray any more - got my own SMTP server arrangement so don't
need to switch servers when around and about.

and I guess you know the X-Ray support page:

http://www.xrayapp.com/xray/support.html

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Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative

[Bill McCarthy]

On Thu 13-Jul-06 2:33pm -0600, Marten Gallagher wrote:

> I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong -
> it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account.
>
> After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with
> absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable
> results.

Thanks for the advice.  Does it work with X-Ray?

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Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative

[Marten Gallagher]

> I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it
> catch nothing :-(

> Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a
> bit confused.

> That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not
> found any spam (I guess training is just starting now).

I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong -
it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account.

After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with
absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable
results.

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Bayesit! Confusion

[Bill McCarthy]

Hello TB Users and Beta Lists,

I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good
success on my laptop.  About two months ago, my laptop
developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's
desktop (XP Pro SP2).

I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it
catch nothing :-(

Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a
bit confused.  From my log file:

C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\spamdict.bye
C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\nspamdict.bye
Spam frequency dictionary:
Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost.
Non-spam frequency dictionary:
Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost.
Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode...
No current recalculation session. Silent exiting...

There is, of course, no such "bayesitbase" subdirectory.
Looking at the Bayesit! configuration (under Basic filter's
options), I noticed that I had browsed to
"c:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit" for the working directory.
When I manually added the trailing backslash, the log file
showed me that it could now find both spamdict.bye and
nspamdict.bye.

That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not
found any spam (I guess training is just starting now).

However, looking at the Information page is see:

Spam frequency dictionary:
C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\spamdict.bye
Size: 1386 letters.
Capacity: 81940 words.
Non-spam frequency dictionary:
C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\nspamdict.bye
Size: 13135 letters.
Capacity: 649383 words.
Current active dictionary:
Currently active dictionary contains 155617 words.
Status: OK

Please notice the '\\' in those filenames.

Anyone else seeing these problems?

I am currently running the most recent announced beta,
although I do not believe this is a beta issue - so I am
including both mailing lists.

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BayesIt buttons gone

[Munango-Keewati]

The nice little BayesIt icons to Mark as Junk or Mark as Good
(probably not the right wording) disappeared after my most recent
upgrade.  Can anyone tell me how to restore them?

Thanks in advance.
  


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Re[2]: Does BayesIt actually work?

[Marten Gallagher]

> Hello Marten,

> Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote:

MG>> I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc.

MG>> I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters
MG>> installed, I have imported a blacklist.

MG>> Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving.

MG>> Are tohers more successful with theior installations?

> I used to use it.  I moved to Agvara ant think it (mostly) works
> better.

> I found that it took a **LOT** of mail to train it.  I kept at least
> 1,000 spam and 1,000 ham messages around just to train it.  I got it
> to better than 80% without using a white or black list and I *NEVER*
> got a false positive with it.  Agvara gets about 95% of my spam but I
> do have to go through the spam because I get the occasional false
> positive with it.

Hmmm thnaks all for the comments.

Have ditched it and gone back to Agava - tks

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Re: Does BayesIt actually work?

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Marten,

Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote:

MG> I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc.

MG> I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters
MG> installed, I have imported a blacklist.

MG> Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving.

MG> Are tohers more successful with theior installations?

I used to use it.  I moved to Agvara ant think it (mostly) works
better.

I found that it took a **LOT** of mail to train it.  I kept at least
1,000 spam and 1,000 ham messages around just to train it.  I got it
to better than 80% without using a white or black list and I *NEVER*
got a false positive with it.  Agvara gets about 95% of my spam but I
do have to go through the spam because I get the occasional false
positive with it.

So the end result is that it works, but is a more 'finiky'.  But it is
also free 

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Re: Does BayesIt actually work?

[danger]

Hello Marten,

Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote:

MG> I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc.

MG> I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters
MG> installed, I have imported a blacklist.

MG> Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving.

MG> Are tohers more successful with theior installations?


Unfortunately I have not seen any Bayesit support in ages.

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Does BayesIt actually work?

[Marten Gallagher]

I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc.

I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters
installed, I have imported a blacklist.

Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving.

Are tohers more successful with theior installations?

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BayesIt - whitelist

[Admin at AK]

I am having a bit of trouble getting BayesIt sorted out

I have a whitelist into which I placed all Good email address but BayesIT
seems to have prepended each line with TEXT:

Does that mean it is looking in the body of the email for that?

In which case do I just change the TEXT: to say FROM: or what.

I can't find anything about the format of a whitelist ands what prefixes
can be at the start of a line.

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Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption

[Max]

Roelof Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Did you configure BayesIt properly? (Told it where to find its files?)

That was the problem. It seems that when you tell the installer to move the MAIL
directory elsewhere, Bayesit will still think its configuration information is
in the default MAIL location. 

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Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Max,

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:59:04 + (UTC)GMT (12-2-2006, 3:59 +0100,
where I live), you wrote:

M> I should have been clearer in my original message. The problem is that these
M> notices do not go away. They occur everytime I start The Bat!. I've followed
M> their instructions and specified the minimum value in TB! preferences, but it
M> continues to ask me on startup.

Did you configure BayesIt properly? (Told it where to find its files?)

M> PS: I posted this via the gmane web interface, which is the reason I didn't
M> include the signature cut mark. I'll do it manually this time and hopefully 
it
M> will work.

Works fine now.

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Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption

[Max]

Roelof Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well, it's correct about you using an encrypted message base, so just
> do what it tells you to do. I can remember having to do the same when
> I started with OTFE, back then I was still using BayesIt.

I should have been clearer in my original message. The problem is that these
notices do not go away. They occur everytime I start The Bat!. I've followed
their instructions and specified the minimum value in TB! preferences, but it
continues to ask me on startup.

What else could I try?



PS: I posted this via the gmane web interface, which is the reason I didn't
include the signature cut mark. I'll do it manually this time and hopefully it
will work.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Max,

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:13:39 + (UTC)GMT (11-2-2006, 13:13 +0200,
where I live), you wrote:

M> Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? 
My
M> searches have yielded nothing.

M> Thanks!


M> 
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just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Max.

  )<)))'>

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
to your signature by the list server.

To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
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Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Max,

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:13:39 + (UTC)GMT (11-2-2006, 13:13 +0100,
where I live), you wrote:

M> The first says: "It seems that you use encrypted The Bat! Please, provide the
M> minimal value from "Move to junk folder" and "delete letter" (see 
"Preferences >
M> Antispam" menu in The Bat!)"

Well, it's correct about you using an encrypted message base, so just
do what it tells you to do. I can remember having to do the same when
I started with OTFE, back then I was still using BayesIt.

M> Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? 
My
M> searches have yielded nothing.

When you follow the instructions of the first message, the second will
disappear too.

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Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption

[Max]

Hi all,

Today I upgraded to the latest version of TB! and enabled on-the-fly encryption.
Now when I start TB!, I am prompted to enter the OFTE password. After doing so,
I receive 2 warning notices related to Bayesit.

The first says: "It seems that you use encrypted The Bat! Please, provide the
minimal value from "Move to junk folder" and "delete letter" (see "Preferences >
Antispam" menu in The Bat!)"

The second says: "If you would like to change this value in future, delete the
key "spam threshold" in "advanced.ini" file, and this window will re-appear next
time you run The Bat!"

After clicking OK to each, TB starts as normal. The only thing I did differently
in the installation was to specify that TB should store my mail in My Documents
rather than its own directory.

Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? My
searches have yielded nothing.

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Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Barry,

Friday, January 13, 2006, 4:02:24 AM, you wrote:

B> What settings are you currently using?

B> I have set it up as follows:

B> Out of 100 score: Average
B> Delete a message: No
B> Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50
B> Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes
B> Use the common junk folder: No

The only difference I have is my junk score is currently up to 15. I
had it down into the single digits for BayesIt  I have been
sneaking it up, but slowly.  Just one or two points a week.

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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Barry]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:34:45 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote:

> Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago.  In most ways it
> works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it
> than with BayesIt.  But I am still tweeking the settings 

What settings are you currently using?

I have set it up as follows:

Out of 100 score: Average
Delete a message: No
Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50
Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes
Use the common junk folder: No

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Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Darrin,

Thursday, January 12, 2006, 9:34:29 AM, you wrote:

D> Hello Barry,

D> Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote:

B>> Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I
B>> have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up
B>> with my batch of spam emails and its working very well.

D> Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well.
D> After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up
D> purchasing it.

Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago.  In most ways it
works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with
it than with BayesIt.  But I am still tweeking the settings 

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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Darrin]

Hello Barry,

Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote:

B> Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I
B> have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up
B> with my batch of spam emails and its working very well.

Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well.
After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up
purchasing it.


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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Barry]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:35:01 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote:

> Ahh, I get it now.  My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I
> think, still correct.  As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering,
> if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think
> that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to
> be counted.  Having said that, would have expected some info there.  I
> can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help.  Or
> uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help.  My stat.bin is a binary
> file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a
> valid stat file.

Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I
have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up
with my batch of spam emails and its working very well.

It certainly *seems* a lot easier to get going than BayesIt!

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Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Barry,

Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 12:16:23 PM, you wrote:

B> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote:
B>  
>> Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like
>> those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual
>> filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue.
B>  
B> Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :)

I wasn't sure ... when you said no spam I thought maybe you meant it
wasn't catching any 

B> My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist
B> extensively and this seems to be the best approach.

B> I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see
B> that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when
B> digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file?

Ahh, I get it now.  My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is,
I think, still correct.  As to why you are not seeing any spam
filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you
say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual
BayesIt filter to be counted.  Having said that, would have expected
some info there.  I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think
that might help.  Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help.  My
stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it
to be recognized as a valid stat file.

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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Barry]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:57:43 -0600, Chris wrote:

> This is a shot in the dark. Are the permissions on the stats file
> correct?

As far as I can tell.

FileMon shows that Bayesit is accessing the file to read it but just
doesn't seem to write anything. But I don't know whether this file
stat.bin is the log file or not? Perhaps someone could let me know?

I did once come across an installation/upgrade problem in the past where if
a file doesn't exist BayesIt doesn't seem to be clever enough to create
it...so I'm wondering if this is the problem here.

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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Barry]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote:
 
> Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like
> those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual
> filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue.
 
Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :)

My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist
extensively and this seems to be the best approach.

I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see
that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when
digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file?

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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Chris]

Barry @ 1/11/2006 5:43:22 AM
"No Bayesit Stats" 

> Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix?

This is a shot in the dark. Are the permissions on the stats file
correct?

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Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Barry,

Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:09:55 AM, you wrote:

B> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote:

>> But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was
>> more interested in the results 

B> Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that
B> BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open
B> ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I
B> tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt
B> just deletes it at the end of the session.

B> If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would
B> have expected it to do.

Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like
those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual
filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue.

As to the '~' file, that is a common practice for naming temp files
that are temp backups for open files. For example word does that as
well. The '~' files are deleted when they are no longer needed ...
usually 


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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[Barry]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote:

> But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was
> more interested in the results 

Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that
BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open
~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I
tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt
just deletes it at the end of the session.

If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would
have expected it to do.

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Re: No Bayesit Stats

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Barry,

Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 6:43:22 AM, you wrote:

B> Hi

B> I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats.

B> Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix?


I can't look at the moment 'cuz I am currently testing out AGAVA. But
I seem to recall seeing stats when I did use it. There were 4 that I
remember looking at ... correctly filtered spam and ham, mis-filtered
for both as well. My goal was to keep ham classified as spam as close
to zero as possible. I think BayesIt was better than any of the other
filters I have tried in terms of not putting ham in the spam folder.

But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was
more interested in the results 

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No Bayesit Stats

[Barry]

Hi

I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats.

Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix?

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Re[2]: BayesIt Plug-in

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 9:23:09 AM, you wrote:

RO> Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's
RO> take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\  (just because that's what I'm
RO> using.)
RO> Now via TB's menu:
RO>   Options -> Preferences -> Protection\Anti SPAM -> Add
RO> Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt
RO> Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done.

RO> When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just
RO> close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version.

That gets it installed. You still have to train it with as much spam
and ham (i.e. good messages) as you can before it will start helping
you by classifying with any reliability.


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Re: BayesIt Plug-in

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Steve,

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:43:25 -0700GMT (30-8-2005, 15:43 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ST>   This may sound like a really dumb question, but I downloaded the rar
ST>   for the BayseIt plug in, and expanded it.  How do I install it?

Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's
take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\  (just because that's what I'm
using.)
Now via TB's menu:
  Options -> Preferences -> Protection\Anti SPAM -> Add
Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt
Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done.

When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just
close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version.

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BayesIt Plug-in

[lists]

Hello tbudl,

  This may sound like a really dumb question, but I downloaded the rar
  for the BayseIt plug in, and expanded it.  How do I install it?

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Re: Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[marc]

Jeff Gaines said...
> Hello Group
> 
> On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:33:48 PM, P. wrote:
> 
> > So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and
> > guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that
> > helps.
> 
> I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9
> now and find it much better.

Yup. I've not had to use the white or black lists with K9 either. When 
using BayesIt, the lists became unmanageable. And you can't resize the 
dialog  and why is it modal? Actually, thinking about it, there's 
a lot of modal nonsense going on in TB. Grrr.

But, on a happy note, K9 is the dog's ;-)

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Re[4]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[Philip Storry]

Hello Jeff,

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 11:21:58 PM, you wrote:

JG> I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9
JG> now and find it much better.

And, for a flipside, I've found it great. As an example,one of my
accounts had 68 messages in it when I returned home tonight. One of
them was legitimate. All the rest was spam.
BayesIt and Bayes Spam Filter, working together, automatically deleted
62 messages. They let through the one legitimate one. One ended up in
the Junk folder, and four ended up in my inbox. The four in my inbox
were all very short messages, and an analysis of my logs shows that it
was Bayes Spam Filter that let them through - it's been running
alongside BayesIt for a while now, but seems to take longer to train.

In my experience, I've never seen something as easy and simple to set
up as BayesIT, or as quick to get working - I installed it a long time
ago, marked all my mail as ham and/or spam, and then started marking
mail that got through. After a week, it was incredibly rare to see
anything slip past.

They key seems to be the training - but BayesIt makes that very easy.
Sadly, it also doesn't make it very clear that you have to train it in
both ham and spam...

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Re: Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[Roman Katzer]

On 8/21/05, Jeff Gaines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9
> now and find it much better.

AOL that.

I've never gotten BayesIt to work, and I'm not the most
computer-illiterate person out there.  When "c't Magazin" (renowned
German computer mag) tested several mail clients, TB among them, they
couldn't get it to work, either. Go figure.

I've been using K9 for about two year now and find it great. It's
tiny, very fast, and very reliable.

Roman

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Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:33:48 PM, P. wrote:

> So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and
> guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that
> helps.

I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9
now and find it much better.

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Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[P. Johnson]

Hello Feli,

On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PJ>>> I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit.
PJ>>> This program is not working well at all...

FW>> did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the
FW>> whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder.

PJ> I haven't trained with ham yet, no, since it hasn't put "good" mails
PJ> into the junk folder either.

I misspoke -- it *was* putting good mails into the junk folder. Thanks
for alerting me.

So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and
guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that
helps.

Thanks again.

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Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[P. Johnson]

Hi Roelof,

On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PJ>> I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit.
PJ>> This program is not working well at all; I "trained" it with over
PJ>> 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my
PJ>> inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder.

RO> Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow
RO> it started to work. What is the score before you move a message to
RO> JUNK? Options -> Preferences -> Anti-Spam I've got it to be
RO> triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of your spam, you
RO> can set that lower.

I've reset that option and hope it will now work! Thanks, Roelof.

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Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[P. Johnson]

Hello Feli,

On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PJ>> I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit.
PJ>> This program is not working well at all; I "trained" it with over
PJ>> 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my
PJ>> inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the
PJ>> default settings.

FW> did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the
FW> whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder.

I haven't trained with ham yet, no, since it hasn't put "good" mails
into the junk folder either. In other words, it seems to be doing
nothing at all. As Roelof suggested, maybe I should give it a little
more time ( or should I... why not just install something that works
"out of the box")?

But I will try some ham training as you suggest. Thank you so much for
your help.

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Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Pat,

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT P.Johnson wrote:

PJ> I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit.
PJ> This program is not working well at all; I "trained" it with over
PJ> 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my
PJ> inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the
PJ> default settings.

did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the
whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder.

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Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Pat,

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT (20-8-2005, 18:30 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

PJ> I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit.
PJ> This program is not working well at all; I "trained" it with over
PJ> 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my
PJ> inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the
PJ> default settings.

Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow it
started to work.

What is the score before you move a message to JUNK?
  Options -> Preferences -> Anti-Spam
I've got it to be triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of
your spam, you can set that lower.

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Bayesit or Bayes Filter

[P.Johnson]

Hello,

I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit.
This program is not working well at all; I "trained" it with over
3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my
inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the
default settings.

I know there have been problems with Bayesit in the past but hoped
these had been solved. I am thinking of switching to Bayes Filter,
which worked well for me until I upgraded to a higher TB! version.
Anyone have experience or suggestions for either of these programs?

If I didn't want to try built-in spam software, I would go back to K9
which worked very well and which I would recommend.

Thank you in advance,

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Re: Bayesit and build 30?

[Vili]

Hello Barry,

B> I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my
B> copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1
B> For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace
B> it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and
B> when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to
B> set up the Bayesit plug in.
B> I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal.
B> Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build
B> 30?

Yes, it is known, unfortunately. Hopefully v3.51 will be out soon.

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Re: Bayesit and build 30?

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Barry,

Friday, July 8, 2005, 2:36:40 AM, you wrote:

B> Hi

B> I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my
B> copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1

B> For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace
B> it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and
B> when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to
B> set up the Bayesit plug in.

B> I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal.

B> Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build
B> 30?

It wasn't a problem here for any of the versions I tried in that
sequence, but that seems to be the way with these sorts of things.
Sorry I don't have a better answer for you other than to try either:

   1.) running through one or more of the intervening updates and
   see if there is something that needed to be 'tweeked' between
   25 and 30 to make it work right.

   2.) try one of the later builds to see if it was just a quirk
   of the 30 build.

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Re: Bayesit and build 30?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Barry!

On Friday, July 08, 2005, 2:36 AM, you wrote:

> Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with
> build 30?

It's a known bug in the .msi which wrapped .30. We've been testing
RL's fix on TBBETA--as v. 3.51--and when it's certain that no new bug
crept in while putting the Bayesit function back, Maxim has said that
v. 3.51 will be placed on the public download page.

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Bayesit and build 30?

[Barry]

Hi

I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my
copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1

For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace
it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and
when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to
set up the Bayesit plug in.

I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal.

Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build
30?

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BayesIt 0.8.1

[Vili]

It's a piece of crap... I should have made a Hungarian description for
the  0.8.1, I have tried to install new LNG file, no success at me and
some other buddies. At some guy it has changed to Hungarian, but after
restart, it is English again.

Was it ever tested?

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Re[2]: Bayesit Add In

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Thursday, May 26, 2005, 2:31:56 PM, Kevin wrote:

> Close The Bat! and locate and edit this file with your favorite text
> editor:

Thank you Kevin, that seems to have done it:-)

Now for some more training...


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Re: Bayesit Add In

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Hi Jeff,

On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:11:05 +0100 (8:11 AM here), Jeff Gaines [JG]
wrote in :

JG> I switched to BayesFilter and I'm training it. For some reason TB!
JG> is not retaining this add in between sessions, I have to keep
JG> adding it at the start of a session, although it seems to maintain
JG> its training.


Close The Bat! and locate and edit this file with your favorite text
editor:

"Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\BatMail\TBPlugin.ini"

Mine is appended below. Make sure the "Count=3" line matches the
number of plugins that you have configured in the "[Plugins]" area.
Just for reference, all of my plugins are located in subdirectories
under "C:\Program Files\The Bat!".

[AntiSpam]
ScoreType=0
Delete=0
Junk=1
DeleteScore=80
JunkScore=60
MarkJunkRead=0
MarkJunkToJunk=1
GlobalJunkFolder=0

[Plugins]
Count=3
Plugin #1=%PROGRAMDIR%\Bayes Filter Plugin\BayesFilter.tbp
Plugin #2=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyGate\mygaterunner.tbp
Plugin #3=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyMacros\mymacros.tbp

[Plugin Data]
Plugin #1=
Plugin #2=
Plugin #3=



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Re: Bayesit Add In

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 1:36:47 PM, you wrote:
B> On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:24 +0200, Gerard wrote:

>> ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote:
>> B> Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit
>> B> "blacklist.txt" file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my
>> 
>> Hi Barry,
>> 
>> Don't you mean the filters.txt file ?

B> Nope, definitely blacklist.txt and whitelist.txt, which are both used in my
B> BayesIt folder (location as specified in the options for BayesIt) and are
B> reported in the bayesit.log file as being used.

B> Unless anyone else knows any different! ;)

Barry,

I was talking about Bayes Filter. There you should place it in the
Filters.dat file. There is a separate tab for all the regexp stuff.

My mistake, sorry.

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Re[2]: Bayesit Add In

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Thursday, May 26, 2005, 9:08:08 AM, Barry wrote:

[snipped]

Many thanks Vili, MikeD and Barry.

I switched to BayesFilter and I'm training it. For some reason TB! is
not retaining this add in between sessions, I have to keep adding it at
the start of a session, although it seems to maintain its training.

I am running as admin on XP Pro SP2, anybody else come across this?

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Re: Bayesit Add In

[Barry]

On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:24 +0200, Gerard wrote:

> ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote:
> B> Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit
> B> "blacklist.txt" file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> Don't you mean the filters.txt file ?

Nope, definitely blacklist.txt and whitelist.txt, which are both used in my
BayesIt folder (location as specified in the options for BayesIt) and are
reported in the bayesit.log file as being used.

Unless anyone else knows any different! ;)

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Re: Bayesit Add In

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote:
B> Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit
B> "blacklist.txt" file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my

Hi Barry,

Don't you mean the filters.txt file ?

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Re: Bayesit Add In

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Jeff,

Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 7:04:30 PM, you wrote:

JG> Hello Group

JG> I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1).

JG> It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've
JG> managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item
JG> on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my
JG> inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting
JG> stuff that isn't junk :-(

JG> Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less
JG> aggressive?

Did you give it any "non-spam" messages when you trained it? I made
that mistake when I first tried BayesIt. If you only give it spam,
then it had no idea what a "Good" message looks like, so everything
will look like spam to it. It needs at least as much "ham" as "spam"
for training.

Beyond that, go to OPtion, Preferences, Anti-spam and select Baysit

Try adjusting the Move message "threshold" to a higher number.  You
might also play with the "Avg/Max/Min" scoring, although I am not sure
exactly how that is used (I use Avg, FWIW)

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Re: Bayesit Add In

[Vili]

JG> I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1).
JG> It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've
JG> managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item
JG> on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my
JG> inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting
JG> stuff that isn't junk :-(
JG> Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less
JG> aggressive?

Yes:  start  to  use  BayesFilter.  The newer and newer BayesIt always
comes out with errors. Our observation is that the errors are fixed in
the new versions, but you get new errors in return :) :(.

Give a try to BayesFilter and you will never go back to BayesIt :)).

See here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim/thebat/readme.htm

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Bayesit Add In

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1).

It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've
managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item
on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my
inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting
stuff that isn't junk :-(

Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less
aggressive?

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BayesIt v0.81 translation

[Vili]

Hello Ritlabs and all,

We have translated v0.81 BayesIt to Hungarian. But there is an annoying 
thing:

If we change the language back to English, it is not possible to 
change it back to Hungarian. If I delete the 

[Plugins]
Count=1
Plugin #1=E:\Data\The Bat!\bayesit\bayesit.tbp
[Plugin Data]
Plugin #1=:VUJQUy... and a lot of characters

from TBPlugin.INI, it starts up in Hungarian again.

Could someone explain
1. what happens here?
2. why is plugin data store its info "ecnrypted"?

Thank you in advance. I am sending this mail from webmail, I dont 
know what will be attached to the end of the mail, or what will be 
the Reply-To... Sorry.

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Alexander,

On Thursday, April 21, 2005, you wrote:
>> It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots
>> of "thinking" (pathetic fallacy?)

ASK> K9 does the same "thinking" and its blazingly fast

OK - sold.  Thanks for the advice, K9's installed and doing a pretty
good job as far as I can see.  No perceivable system loading even
since I've trained it with many thousands of good/bad messages.


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Re[2]: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Dick H]

Hello Alexander,

On 21 April 2005 at 10:38:07 GMT +0200 (which was 10:38:07 where I
live), Alexander S. Kunz wrote and made these valuable points on the
subject of "Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?":

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:57:53 +0200, Nick Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots
>> of "thinking" (pathetic fallacy?)

> K9 does the same "thinking" and its blazingly fast during mail retrieval  
> (hardly noticable there's anything in-between TB and the POP server).  
> PopFile is a Perl application. And Perl is the "C64 Basic v2" where other  
> programming languages are Assembler. :-)

K9, POPFile, Spambayes and what more products might be available, it's more a 
matter of personal experiences and how you look at the product from a cosmetic 
point of view. I agree with you that POPFile (using Perl, install file over 
5MB) and Spambayes (using Python, install file over 4MB) are rather large 
compared to the tiny install file of K9 (116KB).

From an installation point of view BayesIT and Bayes Filter ar easier as they 
are just plug-ins but my experiences with the TB plug-ins are not very 
positive...they make the behavior of TB sometimes very "strange" and 
unpredictable. Since I stopped using plug-ins, I've far less problems with TB.  

I've used K9, Spambayes and POPFile and my impression is that both Spambayes 
and POPFile "learn" quicker than K9.but before we start a new string about 
this...it's my personal observationso don't shoot me for that :-) 

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 21 April 2005 at 2:56:10 PM, in
, Urban wrote:

>>  RBL lookups?

> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RBL.html

Thanks

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Urban]

Thursday, April 21, 2005, MFPA wrote:

>  RBL lookups?

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RBL.html

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 20 April 2005 at 7:54:21 PM, in
<mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philip Storry
wrote:

> Because of those blank emails, I added the Bayes Filter Plugin as a
> second plugin. You can find that here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim
> It's good, and I chose it because unlike BayesIt (as far as I know),
> it also does RBL lookups

 RBL lookups?
 
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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:57:53 +0200, Nick Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots
of "thinking" (pathetic fallacy?)
K9 does the same "thinking" and its blazingly fast during mail retrieval  
(hardly noticable there's anything in-between TB and the POP server).  
PopFile is a Perl application. And Perl is the "C64 Basic v2" where other  
programming languages are Assembler. :-)

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Robin,

On Thursday, April 21, 2005, you wrote:
RA> What version of Popfile are you using?

I'm on the latest - v0.22.2.

RA> I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it
RA> slowing - what is it that you see happening?

It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots
of "thinking" (pathetic fallacy?), but it also seems to do a lot of
database management throughout the day.

I really applaud the popfile project, and it's still the best catcher
outside of running (and maintaining) a server side spamassassin, but
from time to time I like to check out the alternatives.

Chances are that I'll be back running it next week...


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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:11:08 +0200, Robin Anson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What version of Popfile are you using? I have been using it for some
years now, and have never noticed it slowing - what is it that you see
happening?
PopFile itself is achingly slow. :-}
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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Robin Anson]

On Thu 21 April 2005, 0:58:37 +1000, Nick Dutton wrote:
> I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM
> technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although
> it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy.

What version of Popfile are you using? I have been using it for some
years now, and have never noticed it slowing - what is it that you see
happening?

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Nick Dutton & everyone else,

on 20-Apr-2005 at 16:58 you (Nick Dutton) wrote:

> Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit,
> I can't find any other sign in the message.  Is this so?

Exactly.

If you're only using PopFile for spam filtering, may I suggest to have a
look at http://keir.net/k9.html instead.

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Philip Storry]

Hello Nick,

Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 3:58:37 PM, you wrote:

ND> Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by
ND> bayesit, I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so?

As far as I can tell, TB doesn't mark the message at all - which I
personally find quite disappointing.

Each anti-spam plug-in that The Bat! uses keeps its own separate logs,
which you can use. In the vase of BayesIt, the logs are here:
  \Documents and Settings\\Application Data\BayesIt\
The file name will be bayesit.log.
(I'm assuming Windows 2000/XP, by the way - no idea where it is on
other platforms, but the filename will be the same and you could
search on it...)

I've used BayesIt for about a year now, I think, and it's almost
flawless. I was getting only a couple of mails a day pass it by, and
those were generally "blank" mails - no text to analyse means that
BayesIt is somewhat hamstrung!

Because of those blank emails, I added the Bayes Filter Plugin as a
second plugin. You can find that here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim
It's good, and I chose it because unlike BayesIt (as far as I know),
it also does RBL lookups - with which I hope to catch those blank
emails. I've had to drop my spam filtering options to use the Minimal
score for filtering, and I now see more spam per day - but the figure
is going down as I train Bayes Filter Plugin, so I'm happy to accept
this for a while.

I mention the second plugin because it shows the real problem with
"spam logs" in The Bat! - many people will tell you where BayesIt's
logs are, as I just have. And I can also find the Bayes Filter
Plugin's own logs. But I'll have to read BOTH sets of logs to figure
out what's going on definitively.

Actually, I won't. I can read The Bat's logs if I like. CTRL+SHIFT+A
will show me the logs for the account I'm in, and in there you'll see
when The Bat! has had a message reported as spam by a plugin. It'll be
on a line starting with the words FILTER (after the date and time,of
course) - but you'll probably have to scroll far to the right to
actually see if it's the Junk Mail filters or one of your own filters.

With just the BayesIt plugin, it won't be so bad for yourself. You can
read just the bayesit.log file, and that'll help you. It's certainly
going to be much easier than reading The Bat!'s own logs...
But I have two plugins. Each one might report a different score, and
that makes it difficult to spot exactly what's going on... What was
the score reported by the plugin APIs?
Remember, with morethan one plugin, you have three possibilities: Use
the maximum score, the average or the minimal. So if one plugin
reports a score of 99 and one reports a score of 0, this is what those
settings would report:
Maximal: 99
    Average: ~50
Minimal: 0
If BayesIt reported 99, and I'm using Minimal or Average (with a
threshold of over 50), then I'd see in the BayesIt logs that it was
spam but not realise that The Bat! never thought it was spam. This can
get very confusing very quickly. Especially as, at the end of the day,
what the plugin reports is ONLY important if oyu have just one plugin.
Now, I'll grant you most people only have one plugin, but I like
defence in depth and I think that multiple plugins is a good idea.
It's just very badly supported by The Bat!'s logging mechanism.

The Bat!'s log reader is a bit basic. I'd really like to see a much
better log tool - one which allows me to see all log entries across
all accounts, and also to filter based on account, action
(fetch/send/filter etc) and to search for specific text (so that I can
check my logs for messages from specific addresses, to see if a rule
inadvertantly filtered it) and so forth.

I'm not in a hurry to get such a feature, but in my opinion The Bat!'s
logs will be unusable until such a feature arrives.

As to your original question, I have no problem with the Plugins
marking the message. But I'd rather that the actual problem was dealt
with: decent logging. If I had good logs, I wouldn't even think to
check the headers of the message to see what had happened... ;-)

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Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[The Final Cut]

Hello Nick Dutton

On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 10:58:37 AM +0400 GMT
You wrote:

ND> Hello,

ND> I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM
ND> technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although
ND> it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy.

ND> One of the things that I really like about popfile is that I can get
ND> TB to delete spam from the server once identified.

ND> Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit,
ND> I can't find any other sign in the message.  Is this so?

I'd like to know this also.  How to directly delete an email from pop server 
when bayesit detect it as spam.  But it must be an email with score higher than 
x%.

There is an option to delete the email if the score is higher than x%.  Does 
that deletes the email after downloaded the email or directly on the server?

Also, how to know the score of each emails receive by bayesit plugin?


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Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?

[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM
technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although
it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy.

One of the things that I really like about popfile is that I can get
TB to delete spam from the server once identified.

Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit,
I can't find any other sign in the message.  Is this so?


-- 
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Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Scott,

Friday, April 1, 2005, 1:27:21 PM, you wrote:

SF> Hello MikeD,

SF> Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote:

M3>> [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only
M3>> 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training
M3>> data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from
M3>> reoccurring either.

SF> I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all
SF> BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest
SF> version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00).

SF> I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing
SF> the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam
SF> rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before.

SF> I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly
SF> large mailbase to work with.

SF> It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works.

SF> Thanks for the help.

Hope it works better for you now.

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Re: BayesIt blocking mail import

[Scott Frederick]

Hello MikeD,

Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote:

M3> [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only
M3> 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training
M3> data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from
M3> reoccurring either.

I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all
BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest
version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00).

I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing
the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam
rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before.

I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly
large mailbase to work with.

It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works.

Thanks for the help.

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Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Scott,

Thursday, March 31, 2005, 1:00:23 PM, you wrote:

SF> Hello MikeD,

SF> Thursday, March 31, 2005, 3:53:54 AM, you wrote:

M3>> Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you
M3>> might want to look at the "Doesn't download Mail" thread and
M3>> see if that has any applicability.

SF> I tried that. There are no new messages with malformed headers.
SF> The problem lies elsewhere.

Oh well ... 

SF> I tried transferring most of my BayesIt installation from the old
SF> machine in order to preserve the training so perhaps there is
SF> something amiss with one of the configuration files.

You can try experimenting with that, but I don't think that is the
problem ... at least not directly. When I first started having this
problem, I not only 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the
training data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from
reoccurring either.


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