Re[2]: Moving to version 3

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday, 18 October, 2004, at 4:08:00 AM, Chris wrote:

> Excuse the language, but things would go to hell for
> administrators if normal users could install programs willy
> nilly.

Which is why the Admin account would be password-protected...


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Re: Moving to version 3

[Eric]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:09:30 -0400 GMT(18/10/2004, 23:09
+ GMT), Chris wrote:

6C> Quoting when replying to this message is good for your
C> karma.

Then I'll just quote that and say thanks to Chris and
Michael :-)



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Re: Moving to version 3

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> I'm sure it will - if I get it to work: it looks rather complicated

Nope. Just edit the MakeMeAdmin.cmd file and change one of the values
to be the username of your local administrator.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Eric]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:42:34 -0400 GMT(17/10/2004, 22:42 + GMT), Chris wrote:

6C> Check out this script, which will temporarily raise your
C> account to administrator status.

C> http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2004/07/24/193721.aspx

C> After running that, you can open Explorer and run the
C> installer from there or run msiexec /i TheBat.msi

C> Hope this helps for next time.

I'm sure it will - if I get it to work: it looks rather
complicated :-)

Many thanks.

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Re: Moving to version 3

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Mary Bull @ 2004-Oct-17 8:33:25 PM
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E>> The only irritation was that the installation file didn't seem to
E>> show an option to 'Run as ..', so I had to log off, restart as
E>> administrator, do the installation, tell it I didn't want to
E>> create a new account, close, log off again, and restart as my
E>> usual user.

> I did see some people on tbbeta report this problem. Didn't think to
> mention it.

It's not really a bug. It's a security feature of the operating
system. Excuse the language, but things would go to hell for
administrators if normal users could install programs willy nilly.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Mary Bull]

Hello Eric!

On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 2:21 PM, you wrote:

MB>> Then you have no problem whatsoever.

E> Thanks - it looks like it :-)

I'm sorry. Should have said, in regard to The Bat!'s automatically
created filter file.

I'm really very new at all these things, and I don't know my way
around a computer nearly so well as you do. But the things I've done
recently, I'm mostly pretty reliable about. Or someone on the lists
will right away correct me!

E> The only irritation was that the installation file didn't
E> seem to show an option to 'Run as ..', so I had to log
E> off, restart as administrator, do the installation, tell
E> it I didn't want to create a new account, close, log off
E> again, and restart as my usual user.

I did see some people on tbbeta report this problem. Didn't think to
mention it. But I see that a fellow poster has suggested a work-around
for you, for next time.

E> Still, here I am again, and grateful for all the help in
E> getting here.

And I am so very glad to see you. Please report any further problems
here. Some may be issues that already have been solved in the latest
beta. And some may be things already on the agenda for the Christmas
Edition.

But, if something you encounter turns out to be a hitherto unspotted
bug--and that can only be determined if you report the problem--or a
wish for a feature that hasn't been thought of, we shall all be
grateful to you for letting us know about it. And grateful, in any
case, just to have the report.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Chris]

Eric @ 2004-Oct-17 3:21:02 PM
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> The only irritation was that the installation file didn't seem to
> show an option to 'Run as ..', so I had to log off, restart as
> administrator, do the installation, tell it I didn't want to create
> a new account, close, log off again, and restart as my usual user.

Ah! Security of least privilege... A very good practice, but
bothersome at times. Check out this script, which will temporarily
raise your account to administrator status.

http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2004/07/24/193721.aspx

After running that, you can open Explorer and run the installer from
there or run msiexec /i TheBat.msi

Hope this helps for next time.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Eric]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:04:24 -0500 GMT(17/10/2004, 19:04
+ GMT), Mary Bull wrote:

6MB> Then you have no problem whatsoever.

Thanks - it looks like it :-)

The only irritation was that the installation file didn't
seem to show an option to 'Run as ..', so I had to log
off, restart as administrator, do the installation, tell
it I didn't want to create a new account, close, log off
again, and restart as my usual user.

Still, here I am again, and grateful for all the help in
getting here.



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Re[2]: Moving to version 3

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Eric,
Sunday, October 17, 2004, 12:52:12 PM, you wrote:

6MB Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account,
MB re-name the .sbr files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

MB>> Dyslexic typo. Should have written:

MB>> .srb files ...  NOT--REPEAT--NOT the .srx files

E> Which has got me even more confused, I'm afraid to say, as
E> there don't appear to be any *.srb files in my directory
E> for The Bat!

E> But I've certainly got a lot of filters.

 The .srx files were the files created when you created a filter in
Version 2.
 The .srb files are created in Version 3.

 During testing of Version 3, ie. late betas of Version 2, the New
File System was introduced and some people tried using it. When you
used the New File System in these betas, The Bat! looked at your .srx
files and used them to create .srb files. These translations did not
always work very well, so when you went to install a newer beta or
Version 3 it was best practice to delete all your old .srb files so
new ones would be created.

In your case if you didn't have any .srb files then you probably never
played with the New File System in the betas and thus would have
never created them.

***Warning*** Take the following as my opinion and not fact.

My guess is that once you are completely moved over to Version 3 and
everything is working alright you could then delete your .srx files,
but this is only speculation on my part and awaits confirmation from
higher authority.

Hope I've got this right.
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Re: Moving to version 3

[Mary Bull]

Hello Eric!

On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 12:52 PM, you wrote:

E> Which has got me even more confused, I'm afraid to say, as
E> there don't appear to be any *.srb files in my directory
E> for The Bat!

Then you have no problem whatsoever. That just means that, so far, you
have not run a version containing the New Filter System or a prototype
of the New Filter System.

E> But I've certainly got a lot of filters.

You can safely install v. 3.01. because The Bat! will convert all your
filters in the Old Filter System, which you have in v. 2.12.00, to the
New Filter System.

Be sure to save your registration key for v. 2.12.00 in a file outside
the Bat's directory. If you saved the Install zip for v. 2.12.00, keep
it also in a place outside the Bat's directory. Do a good back-up of
your current Bat, also.

Then install v. 3.01.33 (the October 13 release) directly over v.
2.12.00. My advice is to choose Complete in the .msi installation
process. This installer does everything automatically.

After you re-launch The Bat! after installation, it might be a good
idea to find some time to look at each of your newly converted filters
in Account/Sorting Office-Filters. Just to be sure they still say what
you wanted them to.

Place to get the download:

http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php

It will come to you on a 30-day evaluation period.

Please ask again here for anything else you want to know. I am happy
to try to answer your questions.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Eric]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:39:24 -0500 GMT(17/10/2004, 15:39 + GMT), Mary Bull wrote:

6MB>>> Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account,
MB>>> re-name the .sbr files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

MB> Dyslexic typo. Should have written:

MB> .srb files ...  NOT--REPEAT--NOT the .srx files

Which has got me even more confused, I'm afraid to say, as
there don't appear to be any *.srb files in my directory
for The Bat!

But I've certainly got a lot of filters.


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Re: Moving to version 3

[Mary Bull]

Hello Eric!

On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 9:29 AM, you wrote:

6MB>> Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account,
MB>> re-name the .sbr files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

Dyslexic typo. Should have written:

.srb files ...  NOT--REPEAT--NOT the .srx files

E> I was totally confused by previous conflicting statements
E> about just what files need renaming. Can I take the above
E> to be the definitive ruling?

Yes. Confirmed by Allie and admitted to by Thomas on the thread.
Except for my confusing typo, of course.

MB>> This has helped some people carry their filters across
MB>> more easily.

E> And just /how/ does doing it help one to carry the filters
E> across?

The Bat! converts the filters automatically during the installation
from the format of the Old Filter System to the format of the New
Filter System.

If there were already a .srb file in the directory, The Bat! might
(has sometimes) fail to overwrite it.

If there is no .srb file in the directory, The Bat! will create one
and put the filters into it.

Now--"how"--it does that is a mystery to me and may be a programming
secret. :)

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Eric]

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:16:02 -0500 GMT(13/10/2004, 20:16
+ GMT), Mary Bull wrote:

6MB> Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account,
MB> re-name the .sbr files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

I was totally confused by previous conflicting statements
about just what files need renaming. Can I take the above
to be the definitive ruling?

MB> This has helped some people carry their filters across
MB> more easily.

And just /how/ does doing it help one to carry the filters
across?


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Re: Moving to version 3

[Allie Martin]

Thorvald Neumann, [TN] wrote:

> Seconded. I never ever turn off any security measures... and TB has
> always been installed without errors...

To add. All my upgrades have involved a simple install of the new
version on top of the previous. This includes major upgrades. Again,
never had problems unless they were just plain bugs with the new
version. No installation mishaps.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Mary Bull]

Hello Avi!

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 2:42 PM, you wrote:

MB>>Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account, re-name the
MB>>.sbr files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

Sorry. Should have written .srb  and  .srx

MB>>This has helped some people carry their filters across more easily.

scc> Thanks, Mary! Please elaborate re the file re-naming. What is a
scc> .sbr file?

That's .srb file. I made a dyslexic typo. Very bad thing when
discussing file extensions. My sincere apologies.

A .srb file is a file created to store filters. You may not find one
in your The Bat!/MAIL/"account name" (where "account name" is the name
of your particular account in The Bat!). If you don't, it is that the
version you are running did not create it, and so you should just
ignore this part of my advice.

I simply deleted mine. The installation procedure created a new file
with my converted filters in it.

But others here, when I posted this advice in an earlier thread, said
that it was safer to re-name.

scc> What does it hold or do?

See above. As I understand it, The Bat! creates this file
automatically to contain filters.

scc> Do I rename the file extension, the main part of the name, or
scc> both? ...

I should think that the file extension renaming would be sufficient,
As I said, it's a substitute for deletion--a sort of extra back-up.

The Bat! will create a new .SRB

scc> Do the files then get renamed back to what they were after
scc> installation?

No, a new file will be created.

And after you've had a look at your filters in the New Filter System
in the Sorting Office/Filters and they are reasonably okay, then you
may safely just delete the renamed file. Or archive it somewhere else,
if you tend to be as paranoid as I am about this sort of thing.

The path to mine in the account that I use for the TB! mailing lists
is:

C:/Program Files/The Bat!/MAIL/m.bull/ACCOUNT.SRB

That's for my m.bull Account.

I hope this helps. You might want to let it sit on the tbudl list
overnight before doing anything, just in case some more knowledgeable
person finds something to correct in what I'm saying.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 21:54, Allie Martin wrote:
> Call me reckless, but I've never disabled any of these while upgrading
> TB! throughout all my years of using it. I've never had any calamities
> either while upgrading. TB!'s installation is straightforward enough
> to not make this necessary.

Seconded. I never ever turn off any security measures... and TB has
always been installed without errors...

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 7:08:53 PM,  wrote:

> Dear TBUDL members,

[snip]

> Anything else I need to know/do? Please do state what
> ought to be the obvious!

> Thanks in advance,


Be careful if you don't have the current version in C:\Program Files -
the installer defaults to that (it doesn't seem to check the
registry). There is an option to tell it where to install but I missed
it :-(

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Re: Moving to version 3

[sacksa]

Mary Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/13/2004 at 02:16 PM wrote:

>Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account, re-name the .sbr
>files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

>This has helped some people carry their filters across more easily.

Thanks, Mary!  Please elaborate re the file re-naming.  What is a .sbr 
file?  What does it hold or do?   Do I rename the file extension, the main 
part of the name, or both?  Do the files then get renamed back to what 
they were after installation? 

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Allie Martin]

Sacksa, [S] wrote:

> Don't you also want to turn off any firewalls and AV applications before
> installing the upgrade?   If so, how does one turn off the firewall that
> comes with SP2?

Call me reckless, but I've never disabled any of these while upgrading
TB! throughout all my years of using it. I've never had any calamities
either while upgrading. TB!'s installation is straightforward enough
to not make this necessary.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Peter Meyns]

Hi sacksa,

on Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:21:38 -0500GMT, you wrote:

scc> Don't you also want to turn off any firewalls and AV applications before
scc> installing the upgrade?

Why would I? Au contraire! If TB! contained a virus, I would want to
know... B-) Of course I'll have to accept the new TB! exe in my PF. Why
should I turn it off?

I installed the msi without any problems. :-)

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 8:21:38 PM, you wrote:
scc> Don't you also want to turn off any firewalls and AV applications before
scc> installing the upgrade?   If so, how does one turn off the firewall that
scc> comes with SP2?

Hi sacksa,

Why would you want to turn of the firewall?
There is not need to do this.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[Mary Bull]

Hello Avi!

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 1:21 PM, you wrote:

scc> Don't you also want to turn off any firewalls and AV applications
scc> before installing the upgrade? If so, how does one turn off the
scc> firewall that comes with SP2?

C:/Program Files/Accessories/System Tools/Security Center

I did turn off my Sygate Firewall (disabled the Xp/Sp2 one from the
beginning).

Left my AV running.

Closed The Bat! after back-up.

Save your application installation file for the one you are running
now and save your registration number, just in case you want to
abandon v. 3.0.1. (But I don't think you will want to.)

Look in The Bat! directory, and under each account, re-name the .sbr
files. NOT--repeat--NOT the .sbx files.

This has helped some people carry their filters across more easily.

Save the 3.0.1 zip file. That way you have it, if you start flipping
back and forth between versions.

Choose a Complete Install and do not first Uninstall your old The Bat!

The .msi (Microsoft Installer) which comes with the file will do that
for you automatically when you choose Complete Install.

That's the best advice I have to give, gleaned from having been a beta
tester over the past few weeks.

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Re: [the_bat] Re: Moving to version 3

[Michael Acklin]

Hello sacksa,

Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 1:21:38 PM, you wrote:

> Don't you also want to turn off any firewalls and AV applications before
> installing the upgrade?   If so, how does one turn off the firewall that
> comes with SP2?

Go to control panel, and double click on the "Windows Firewall". There
are a few options, but you can hit the "OFF [Not Recommended]" while
you install the programs.

Hope this helps...


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Re: Moving to version 3

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 8:13:27 PM, you wrote:
aacu> I just did a full backup. Closed TB. Double-clicked the .msi file and
aacu> there I was - all working.

Same here and with a lot of filters. Some needed a little tweaking.
Never needed the backup. :-)

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Re: Moving to version 3

[sacksa]

Don't you also want to turn off any firewalls and AV applications before 
installing the upgrade?   If so, how does one turn off the firewall that 
comes with SP2?

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> Dear TBUDL members,

> In the light of recent comments on this list, I've decided
> to risk buying and moving to version 3, home edition.

> In the flood of messages, I suspect there has been some
> advice on how to upgrade - and what things will need
> changing (such as filters?).

> I assume I should do a tools|backup, standard with all options
> chosen, then close The Bat!, and double click on the Windows
> Installer Package downloaded as thebat_home.msi.

> Anything else I need to know/do? Please do state what
> ought to be the obvious!

Well some people seemed to have problems with filters transferring -
but I have a number of what I think are complicated filters that send
auto-replies, re-format emails and re-send etc - and I had no problems
whatsoever.

I just did a full backup. Closed TB. Double-clicked the .msi file and
there I was - all working.

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Re: Moving to version 3

[admin]

> Dear TBUDL members,

> In the light of recent comments on this list, I've decided
> to risk buying and moving to version 3, home edition.

> In the flood of messages, I suspect there has been some
> advice on how to upgrade - and what things will need
> changing (such as filters?).

> I assume I should do a tools|backup, standard with all options
> chosen, then close The Bat!, and double click on the Windows
> Installer Package downloaded as thebat_home.msi.

> Anything else I need to know/do? Please do state what
> ought to be the obvious!

Well some people seemed to have problems with filters transferring -
but I have a number of what I think are complicated filters that send
auto-replies, re-format emails and re-send etc - and I had no problems
whatsoever.

I just did a full backup. Closed TB. Double-clicked the .msi file and
there I was - all working.

-- 
Marten Gallagher
Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33
with POPFile 0.21.1
on Windows XP 5.1 







Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Moving to version 3

[Eric]

Dear TBUDL members,

In the light of recent comments on this list, I've decided
to risk buying and moving to version 3, home edition.

In the flood of messages, I suspect there has been some
advice on how to upgrade - and what things will need
changing (such as filters?).

I assume I should do a tools|backup, standard with all options
chosen, then close The Bat!, and double click on the Windows
Installer Package downloaded as thebat_home.msi.

Anything else I need to know/do? Please do state what
ought to be the obvious!

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Eric

Using TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2



Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html