Re: Connection Center in IMAP

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:25:13 +0700 GMT (25-Oct-19, 13:25 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Stuart,

> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:28:03 -0500 GMT (23-Oct-19, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
> Stuart Cuddy wrote:

>> Hello Thomas,
>> Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 11:35:20 PM, you wrote:

 For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
 then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
 connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
 something else than IDLE happens.

 How do I achieve that?

>>> Any advice?

>> I don't think it is possible. Or at least I have never found a way.

> Bummer. I'll put it into the wishlist.

Here it is:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1887

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Re: Connection Center in IMAP

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Stuart,

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:28:03 -0500 GMT (23-Oct-19, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 11:35:20 PM, you wrote:

>>> For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
>>> then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
>>> connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
>>> something else than IDLE happens.

>>> How do I achieve that?

>> Any advice?

> I don't think it is possible. Or at least I have never found a way.

Bummer. I'll put it into the wishlist.

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Re: Connection Center in IMAP

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Thomas,
Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 11:35:20 PM, you wrote:

>> For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
>> then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
>> connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
>> something else than IDLE happens.

>> How do I achieve that?

> Any advice?

I don't think it is possible. Or at least I have never found a way.

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Re: Connection Center in IMAP

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL,

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:30:13 +0700 GMT (27-Sep-19, 8:30 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hi TBUDL,

> I have installed my first IMAP account. So far so good.

> Under Workspace / Connection Center, the CC is set to show
> Automatically, which for POP means that it shows when checking and
> then disappears (hides) again.

> For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
> then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
> connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
> something else than IDLE happens.

> How do I achieve that?

Any advice?

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Re: Connection Center

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 17 April 2005 at 7:36:34 PM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:


> To find out which tasks are active, I focus the Download Manager.

Where is the Download Manager?

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Re: Connection Center

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:36:06 +0200 GMT (16/04/2005, 00:36 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

zzc>>   Some tasks are now active.  Do you want to exit when finished?

zzc>> And there are 3 choices: Yes, No and Abort. I tried both No and Abort;
zzc>> and get the same result -- nothing. How do I find out what tasks are
zzc>> active? And does any of those 3 choices let me terminate whatever tasks
zzc>> are active and Exit The Bat!?

PM> I remember this quite well from the 2.x series, the reason I don't
PM> exactly know. I can't remember when I saw it last, so it seems to me a
PM> bug that was fixed in the 3.x cycle. Different experience anyone?

Same exprerience: I had this problem in v2, but not in v3 any more.

Yes: Exits after download is complete.
No: Completes download, but doesn't exit.
Abort: Aborts download and exits.

To find out which tasks are active, I focus the Download Manager.

As desired. Using XP Pro Sp2.

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Re: Connection Center

[Peter Meyns]

Hi z5worg,

on Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:00:15 -0400GMT (15.04.2005, 10:00 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

zzc> I try to Exit The Bat!; and I get this message:

zzc>   Some tasks are now active.  Do you want to exit when finished?

zzc> And there are 3 choices: Yes, No and Abort. I tried both No and Abort;
zzc> and get the same result -- nothing. How do I find out what tasks are
zzc> active? And does any of those 3 choices let me terminate whatever tasks
zzc> are active and Exit The Bat!?

zzc> [I ended up terminating The Bat via a Ctrl+Alt+Del.]

I remember this quite well from the 2.x series, the reason I don't
exactly know. I can't remember when I saw it last, so it seems to me a
bug that was fixed in the 3.x cycle. Different experience anyone?

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Re: Connection Center

[z5worg]

Friday, April 15, 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It used to be that the Connection Center would go away when it
> finished downloading all messages. I don't know what I did, but it now
> stays there after finish downloading.

I try to Exit The Bat!; and I get this message:

  Some tasks are now active.  Do you want to exit when finished?

And there are 3 choices: Yes, No and Abort. I tried both No and Abort;
and get the same result -- nothing. How do I find out what tasks are
active? And does any of those 3 choices let me terminate whatever tasks
are active and Exit The Bat!?

[I ended up terminating The Bat via a Ctrl+Alt+Del.]

> How do I get it back to the way it was before?

> Thanks in advance


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Re: Connection Center

[Peter Fjelsten]

z5worg,

On 15-04-2005 09:48, you [zzc] wrote in
:

zzc> How do I get it back to the way it was before?

Preferences>General>Display Connection Centre = Automatically.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Paul,

on Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:02:54 +0100GMT, you wrote:

PW> On Thursday, 14 October 2004 at 13:56 (UK time), Thomas Fernandez said:

>> The Connection Center (which is mentioned in the
>> subject) was my pet peeve for a while, and all the bugs have been
>> fixed. So, don't give up!

PW> I've now seen the Connection Centre hang at least six times since this
PW> thread started. As *both* my PCs suffer from this problem I'm not
PW> convinced it is specific to my system. I'll monitor this to see if I can
PW> work out why the CC is hanging. Sometimes it appears to stick with the
PW> standard message that says something like "Importing mail" and the
PW> progress bar stays at 100%.

PW> Sometimes checking mail again results in the CC closing properly, other
PW> times it stays open. There is certainly a wide variation of results that I
PW> see here all relating to the CC not closing as it should.

I have not had those CC quirks with the new version yet. Maybe it might
help to "upgrade" to Windows 98 SE...? ;-)

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Paul White]

On Thursday, 14 October 2004 at 13:56 (UK time), Thomas Fernandez said:

> The Connection Center (which is mentioned in the
> subject) was my pet peeve for a while, and all the bugs have been
> fixed. So, don't give up!

I've now seen the Connection Centre hang at least six times since this
thread started. As *both* my PCs suffer from this problem I'm not
convinced it is specific to my system. I'll monitor this to see if I can
work out why the CC is hanging. Sometimes it appears to stick with the
standard message that says something like "Importing mail" and the
progress bar stays at 100%.

Sometimes checking mail again results in the CC closing properly, other
times it stays open. There is certainly a wide variation of results that I
see here all relating to the CC not closing as it should.
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:25:08 +0100 GMT (14/10/2004, 20:25 +0700 GMT),
Paul White wrote:

>> Please post an example of your most favourite bug (URL)
>> and I will ask Alexander Leschinsky.

PW> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3076 - has been at feedback status
PW> since July.

Alexander has assigned the Feedback status. So he is aware of it. As
it is about IMAP, I cannot comment further.

PW> Someone actually confirmed that it is happening in 3.0.1.33
PW> yesterday so may be its status will now progress. This bug *was*
PW> reproducible by Ritlabs as they replied to my e-mail to say so.

Since you have an email reply, don't worry about the missing
"assigned" info.

PW> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3863 - despite two confirmations
PW> and a screenshot it is still at the 'new' status. I admit not a
PW> 'show-stopper' but it does illustrate my point.

Yeah, this one should have the status "confirmed". Actually the
"TBBETA user reported a question mark rather than a vertical line" was
me.

However, this is something I couldn't care less about. It is a minor
cosmetical glitch. Let them work on the IMAP thing, I won't write to
Alexander about this.

PW> So neither were automatically assigned to a developer.

I know what you are saying, they are not automatically assigned. I was
mistaken about that. Maybe they are only automatically assigned when
the severity is set higher?

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Paul White]

On Thursday, 14 October 2004 at 13:56 (UK time), Thomas Fernandez said:

> That's weird, because the bugs are assigned to developers automatically
> by category.

No, not always, some are but some aren't.

> Please post an example of your most favourite bug (URL)
> and I will ask Alexander Leschinsky.

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3076 - has been at feedback status
since July. Someone actually confirmed that it is happening in 3.0.1.33
yesterday so may be its status will now progress. This bug *was* reproducible
by Ritlabs as they replied to my e-mail to say so.

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3863 - despite two confirmations
and a screenshot it is still at the 'new' status. I admit not a
'show-stopper' but it does illustrate my point.

So neither were automatically assigned to a developer.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:14:32 +0100 GMT (14/10/2004, 00:14 +0700 GMT),
Paul White wrote:

>> I sometime update any outstanding bug reports of mine, saying ":still
>> not fixed in the current version v...". Every time you update a bug
>> report, it will be sent to the developer it was assinged to.

PW> Only if it has already been assigned to a developer, far too many bugs
PW> don't even get that far, most of mine haven't.

That's weird, because the bugs are assigned to developers automatically
by category. Please post an example of your most favourite bug (URL)
and I will ask Alexander Leschinsky.

PW> Obscure bugs, those seen by only a few users and those that seem
PW> to be specific to Windows 95/98 will be the last to be fixed.

Obviously, I run Win98, and I report bugs if I find them. I also
receive response. The Connection Center (which is mentioned in the
subject) was my pet peeve for a while, and all the bugs have been
fixed. So, don't give up! :-)

That said, Win98 has indeed seen its best days, and it may really be
specific to your system...

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roman!

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 6:49 PM, you wrote:

TF>> Have you reported it on TBBETA? - I haven't yet read the 140
TF>> messages that came in today, but Rit would be interested. FWIW
TF>> this bug was fixed for me a long time ago.

RK> I use a release version and am not subscribed to TBBETA. Where can I
RK> report a bug so that a developer will actually know about it?

Go to this site:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php

Sign up for a new account. Write your password down and keep it in a
safe place--it's really hard to make this work a second time if you
forget your password.

Log in.

Then choose Report Issue. If you are not logged in, you don't have
that option. Only View Issues, and some others.

In Choose Project, there's a drop-down menu. I find it best to select,
The Bat.

Now, this is important:

I didn't find any instruction on how to go forward from there. By
trial and error, I found that I had to click Select Project twice in
succession before the page would change and give me the page with the
form on it for writing up a New Issue, whether Wish or Bug.

So, go see if you can get that far. If the rest is not intuitive to
you, come back here to tbudl and ask your questions about it.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Roman Katzer]

Hallo Thomas,

On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 12:08:37, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> Have you reported it on TBBETA? - I haven't yet read the 140 messages
> that came in today, but Rit would be interested. FWIW this bug was
> fixed for me a long time ago.

I use a release version and am not subscribed to TBBETA. Where can I
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Paul White]

On Wednesday, 13 October 2004 at 18:01 (UK time), Thomas Fernandez said:

> I sometime update any outstanding bug reports of mine, saying ":still
> not fixed in the current version v...". Every time you update a bug
> report, it will be sent to the developer it was assinged to.

Only if it has already been assigned to a developer, far too many bugs
don't even get that far, most of mine haven't.

> It may be a bug in TB, or it may be specific to your system. In any
> case, if you don't report it, you will never get a solution.

I honestly believe that both my PCs which run Windows 98 have seen their
best days now. I continue to report bugs but only those I think have a
chance of being fixed. Obscure bugs, those seen by only a few users and
those that seem to be specific to Windows 95/98 will be the last to be
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:40:14 +0100 GMT (13/10/2004, 23:40 +0700 GMT),
Paul White wrote:

>> Have you reported it on TBBETA?

PW> Thomas, I'm not a regular on TBBETA really, [...] If I mention it
PW> on TBBETA all I will get is a string of 'Not confirmed' messages
PW> so what is the point?

I don't get your meaning. If it is a bug that bugs you, you need to
report it, otherwise it will never get fixed. Even if most users can't
confirm it, the developers will take notice. And maybe someone will
confirm and add more info to it.

PW> If I add it to the Bug Tracker it probably won't go beyond the
PW> 'New' status, I have several bugs outstanding, one since July,
PW> that no-one has updated with even an acknowledgement, confirmation
PW> or denial.

I sometime update any outstanding bug reports of mine, saying ":still
not fixed in the current version v...". Every time you update a bug
report, it will be sent to the developer it was assinged to.

PW> It *does* happen here but I cannot make it happen and I cannot say why it
PW> is happening,

It may be a bug in TB, or it may be specific to your system. In any
case, if you don't report it, you will never get a solution.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Paul White]

On Wednesday, 13 October 2004 at 17:08 (UK time), Thomas Fernandez said:

> Have you reported it on TBBETA? - I haven't yet read the 140 messages
> that came in today, but Rit would be interested. FWIW this bug was
> fixed for me a long time ago.

Thomas, I'm not a regular on TBBETA really, as I often just lurk and read
the list via the web archive. I've seen various reports, perhaps not all
of them, to suggest that this has been fixed or that the cause is a
corrupt message base. The Connection Centre doesn't hang so often here but
as I've recently switched PCs for Internet access that statement does not
really mean anything but it *does* still happen. If I mention it on TBBETA
all I will get is a string of 'Not confirmed' messages so what is the
point? If I add it to the Bug Tracker it probably won't go beyond the
'New' status, I have several bugs outstanding, one since July, that no-one
has updated with even an acknowledgement, confirmation or denial.

It *does* happen here but I cannot make it happen and I cannot say why it
is happening, it just does and probably has with every release since
version 1.4x. Yes, I get very annoyed when the Connection Centre hangs but
I think I recall an message from one of the programmers denying that such
a bug still exists so now I just live with it.
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:21:58 +0100 GMT (13/10/2004, 00:21 +0700 GMT),
Paul White wrote:

>> Now when I notice that the fetch connection hangs and I try to
>> either abort or delete the task, the line containing that task
>> disappears from the CC but I can't close TB. TB claims that there
>> are still tasks active.

PW> I've just experienced something similar in version 3.0.1 which
PW> should be released very soon. I've had this problem for several
PW> years now. A bug which *must* be fixed.

Have you reported it on TBBETA? - I haven't yet read the 140 messages
that came in today, but Rit would be interested. FWIW this bug was
fixed for me a long time ago.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Paul White]

On Tuesday, 12 October 2004 at 03:28 (UK time), Roman Katzer said:

> I have noticed a couple of times recently that the connection center
> hangs
> when I can't get mail from one of my accounts. It's a regular
> POP3-Account, all very vanilla.
> Now when I notice that the fetch connection hangs and I try to either
> abort or delete the task, the line containing that task disappears from
> the CC but I can't close TB. TB claims that there are still tasks active.

I've just experienced something similar in version 3.0.1 which should be released very 
soon. I've had this problem for several years now. A bug which *must* be fixed.
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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Michael,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:10:08 +0200 GMT (12/10/2004, 22:10 +0700 GMT),
Michael Geyer wrote:

MG> Mary _is_ correct, the V1./2 filters are in the .srx files, the .srb
MG> files do contain the v3 filters.

I was sure I deleted the .srx files before starting v3. Apologies tyo
the list, and especially to Mary. I have no .srx files on my machine
now.

>> If in doubt, just rename, don't delete. ;-)

MG> Here I agree with you completely!

Luckily, I didn't cause any damage to myself. I hope everybody who
followed my initial advice also followed this one.

I gotto find a rock to hide under...

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:00:47 +0200 GMT (12/10/2004, 22:00 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

RO> Umm, I don't know how to bring it to you, but the *.srx files are the
RO> v1/v2 sorting office, *.srb is the NFS.

Ouch. I have no .srx files any more, so you must be right.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Thomas and list,

On Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 21:27:06 GMT +0700 (which was 16:27
where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made
these valuable points on the subject of "connection center, TB 2.12":


Not that I'd like to correct you, but for the sake of everyone who
wants to deal with v3 filters:

MB>> I do believe it will still be important before doing an overwriting
MB>> installation to delete the .srb files in the directory, The
MB>> Bat!/Account. NOT the .srx files--that's a very important caution.

> NO! You got it wrong. *If* there are any .srx files (which a
> non-beta-tester won't have), those are the ones to delete. The .srb
> files are the filters in v2.x. If you delete them, they are gone.

Mary _is_ correct, the V1./2 filters are in the .srx files, the .srb
files do contain the v3 filters.

> If in doubt, just rename, don't delete. ;-)

Here I agree with you completely!


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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thomas,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:27:06 +0700GMT (12-10-2004, 16:27 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

TF> NO! You got it wrong. *If* there are any .srx files (which a
TF> non-beta-tester won't have), those are the ones to delete. The .srb
TF> files are the filters in v2.x. If you delete them, they are gone.

Umm, I don't know how to bring it to you, but the *.srx files are the
v1/v2 sorting office, *.srb is the NFS.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:55:51 -0500 GMT (12/10/2004, 15:55 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> That said, we haven't seen a test yet of an upgrade from a v. 2.12.00
MB> to a v. 3.0.1

I upgraded from 2.12.02 to 3.0.1 RC5. Does that count?

MB> My filters all converted perfectly from the Old Filter System to the
MB> New Filter System when I overwrote v. 2.12.00 with v. 3.0.

I had no problems either.

MB> People with complicated Regular Expressions and sub-filters did not
MB> always experience such a smooth conversion.

There were no sub-filters in 2.x, and I have some filters using RegEx,
and they converted perfectly.

MB> I do believe it will still be important before doing an overwriting
MB> installation to delete the .srb files in the directory, The
MB> Bat!/Account. NOT the .srx files--that's a very important caution.

NO! You got it wrong. *If* there are any .srx files (which a
non-beta-tester won't have), those are the ones to delete. The .srb
files are the filters in v2.x. If you delete them, they are gone.

If in doubt, just rename, don't delete. ;-)

MB> Once 3.0.1 is installed, new filters created will--always of course
MB> with the caveat YMMV--work correctly.

Filters are critical for me. If they hadn't been converted correctly,
I would have reverted to my backed-up 2.x. It was not necessary, and
the glitches at the first beta versions seem to have been fixed
throughout. I think it is important that filters are converted
correctly, so I tested it especially, and there are _no_ problems on
my system. :-)

MB> Save your v. 2.12.00 zip so that you can roll back.

Also save your registry key. You won't be able to roll back otherwise.

@Mods: Even this thread has turned to be about the current beta
series, I found it important to voice my confidence in the upcoming
release. Let me add that like Mary, I don't use IMAP or any plugins
(except for MyGate), so I can't comment on that.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roman!

On Monday, October 11, 2004, 10:05 PM, you wrote:

MB>> You have described the behavior perfectly. It's a bug.
RK> [...]
MB>> No help for it. You will have to do it that way, I think. :(

RK> And will stay one. ARGH!

I'm sorry. :woe:

NB>> Then you might want to solve your problem by upgrading to v.
NB>> 3.0.1.

RK> Hm. What about the upgrade problems some people had? Like filters
RK> not working any more etc?

Most of these have been solved during the series of betas. Most
filters are now working for most people.

That said, we haven't seen a test yet of an upgrade from a v. 2.12.00
to a v. 3.0.1

My filters all converted perfectly from the Old Filter System to the
New Filter System when I overwrote v. 2.12.00 with v. 3.0.

But they were one-step filters to move a "contains" a certain header
from Sender in Incoming Mail to a particular Inbox subfolder.

People with complicated Regular Expressions and sub-filters did not
always experience such a smooth conversion.

I do believe it will still be important before doing an overwriting
installation to delete the .srb files in the directory, The
Bat!/Account. NOT the .srx files--that's a very important caution.

Once 3.0.1 is installed, new filters created will--always of course
with the caveat YMMV--work correctly. There's a small learning curve
in learning to create filters in the New Filter System but I was up
and running on it after only a couple of mistakes.

Some people are still having some troubles with IMAP. But reports on
the tbbeta list are that it is greatly improved. I myself am running
only POP3/SMTP, on two accounts, with two separate servers.

I have no plug-ins. Some people are still having trouble with Bayesit.
But a variation of that, Bayes Filter, is catching a reported 99 per
cent of Spam in most cases, with no side-effect problems at all.

Let's see, can I think of anything else? Hm, that's about the crop.

Save your v. 2.12.00 zip so that you can roll back. Then when v. 3.0.1
full release is announced, get the evaluation copy of it. You'll have
30 days to decide if it's for you.

That's the best advice which I--a stranger to you, but a fellow TB!
user and tbudl subscriber--can give to you at present.

MB>> Alternatively, you could roll back to about v. 2.00.6 or earlier.
MB>> I don't think I had the hanging CC when I was running that
MB>> version.

RK> But other errors, in IMAP for instance.

Ah. You are an IMAP user? Why don't you subscribe to tbbeta and have a
look at its recent archives. Allie has been using IMAP with TB! for a
long time and he seems to have it working fairly well now. Others have
had such big problems that they are not willing to see if they are
finally fixed in v. 3.0.1.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Roman Katzer]

On Monday, October 11, 2004, 22:42:53, Mary Bull wrote:
> You have described the behavior perfectly. It's a bug.
[...]
> No help for it. You will have to do it that way, I think. :(

And will stay one. ARGH!

> Then you might want to solve your problem by upgrading to v. 3.0.1.

Hm. What about the upgrade problems some people had? Like filters not
working any more etc?

> Alternatively, you could roll back to about v. 2.00.6 or earlier. I
> don't think I had the hanging CC when I was running that version.

But other errors, in IMAP for instance.

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Re: connection center, TB 2.12

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roman!

On Monday, October 11, 2004, 9:28 PM, you wrote:

RK> I have noticed a couple of times recently that the connection
RK> center hangs when I can't get mail from one of my accounts. It's a
RK> regular POP3-Account, all very vanilla.

Yes. I've had that also, with the later v. 2.xx versions.

RK> Now when I notice that the fetch connection hangs and I try to
RK> either abort or delete the task, the line containing that task
RK> disappears from the CC but I can't close TB. TB claims that there
RK> are still tasks active. I open up the CC, no tasks listed. I click
RK> on Abort All and the column headers move a bit but other than
RK> that, nothing happens. I still can't close TB.

You have described the behavior perfectly. It's a bug.

RK> I then have to kick TB with the task manager, something I'd rather
RK> not do because I don't want to corrupt any files but it's the only
RK> way I can close TB.

No help for it. You will have to do it that way, I think. :(

RK> Any suggestions?

Since I've been running the later v. 3.xx betas, I haven't had this
problem. I don't remember a specific report from the programmers that
it was fixed, but I do have a hazy memory of it being discussed on
tbbeta in the v. 3.xx beta downloads. And we've had well over two
dozen of those beta versions.

What you see reported in my sig is also a beta version. We are testing
the .msi installer for v. 3.0.1 at present. It should not be long
before the defects in it are sorted.

Then you might want to solve your problem by upgrading to v. 3.0.1.

Alternatively, you could roll back to about v. 2.00.6 or earlier. I
don't think I had the hanging CC when I was running that version.

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Re: connection center

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Gleason,

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:51:11 -0700GMT (22-9-2004, 20:51 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

GP> I see Imap Commands in that location.

Shucks! You're using IMAP, that means I'm out of my league. I tend to
be a bit focused on pop3, since that's what I use myself. Maybe
somebody else should take it further.

GP> Sure I can reinstall.

I'm not sure whether that's the solution, I don't even know what's
normal for IMAP.

>> Are you deleting the In-Reply-To: and References: headers? 
GP> No, I didn't touch the headers.  But I have just learned that I can double
GP> click on the entry in the list of attachments to the main message.
GP> That gets me a view of only your reply that can be replied to without
GP> changing the address and subject.  Pretty nice.  Maybe doing it manually
GP> before didn't preserve the headers.

Ah and you're receiving the list as MIME digests.

>> You really must include a signature delimiter (dash, dash, space),
GP> You mean like below?  TB is doing that by default.  Maybe I removed it
GP> without thinking.  Sorry.

Okay, let's say that it's a learning experience for both of us. ;-)

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Re: connection center

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Gleason,

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:57:40 -0700GMT (22-9-2004, 18:57 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>>Check whether you've got any (or a lot) bat*.tmp files in your temp
>>directory.
GP> Just one, size zero.  Removed it.

That shouldn't be a problem anyway.


>>Check whether you've got any messages in your Outbox.
GP> Eudora thinks the outbox is a good place to store sent messages.  I don't
GP> think TB was confused by that, but, ok, I removed them.

The Outbox is the place where TB stores its messages that have to be
sent. Just moving a message into that folder causes it to be (re)sent,
hence my question.

>>Start the mail dispatcher and whether you've got any odd messages on
>>the server. You can find the dispatcher at:
>>account -> dispatch mail on server -> all messages
GP> Don't see that under the account menu.  I did see send queued mail.
GP> Tried that.

It should be five lines below the 'send queued mail' item, when you
still don't see it, I suggest that you re-install TB.

GP> Count of entries that can't go away in the connection center is now ten.

Yuck.

BTW Your message didn't thread while it appears to be written with TB.
Are you deleting the In-Reply-To: and References: headers? There's no
valid technical reason to do that, whereas there's lot of reasons not
to do it, the first reason being that it irritates people because it
disturbs their threading.
What tool are you using for this? Close it, it might be the reason
that TB seems to be misbehaving.

GP> Gleason
GP> 
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You really must include a signature delimiter (dash, dash, space),
that way TB would've deleted this stuff automatically. Besides it's in
the list rules.

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Re: connection center

[Gleason Pace]

Roelof,

GP> Copy Remote Message to: In queue

GP> Notice that there is no location specified. Right now I have 8 of
GP> these. I can delete them or abort them all. As soon as TB
GP> interacts with the server again, they all are right back.

>Check whether you've got any (or a lot) bat*.tmp files in your temp
>directory.

Just one, size zero.  Removed it.

>Check whether you've got any messages in your Outbox.

Eudora thinks the outbox is a good place to store sent messages.  I don't
think TB was confused by that, but, ok, I removed them.

>Start the mail dispatcher and whether you've got any odd messages on
>the server. You can find the dispatcher at:
>account -> dispatch mail on server -> all messages

Don't see that under the account menu.  I did see send queued mail.
Tried that.

Count of entries that can't go away in the connection center is now ten.

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Re: connection center

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Gleason,

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:17:14 -0700GMT (22-9-2004, 8:17 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

GP> Copy Remote Message to: In queue

GP> Notice that there is no location specified. Right now I have 8 of
GP> these. I can delete them or abort them all. As soon as TB
GP> interacts with the server again, they all are right back.

Check whether you've got any (or a lot) bat*.tmp files in your temp
directory.
Check whether you've got any messages in your Outbox.
Start the mail dispatcher and whether you've got any odd messages on
the server. You can find the dispatcher at:
  account -> dispatch mail on server -> all messages

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Re: Connection Center

[Allen]

2/23/2004, 2:25 AM: ETM said in "Connection Center"

E> I am going to bed.  Greetings to you both from Virginia USA.

Night (or, rather, good morning) from Virginia USA :-)


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Re: Connection Center

[ETM]

Thank you Roelof and Scott.  The connection center is
working but I sure don't think that's the way it looked
before, but I am too tired to remember what it looked like
(or getting too old and this is my first hint of trouble
).

I am going to bed.  Greetings to you both from Virginia USA.

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Re: Connection Center

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo ETM,

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:53:55 -0500GMT (23-2-04, 7:53 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Push the "Details" button (lower left at the bottom of the panel).
E> How do you keep it up long enough to do that?  This is
E> bizarre.

  Options -> Preferences -> General -> Display CC: Always

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Re: Connection Center

[ETM]

E>> I have lost the bottom window of the connection center
E>> (server, pie chart, etc.).

E>> How do I get it back?

> Push the "Details" button (lower left at the bottom of the panel).

How do you keep it up long enough to do that?  This is
bizarre.  I maximize it and it's just big, I can see mail
(little traffic now) come down but nothing is in the lower
window, clicking on details gives me nothing.

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Re: Connection Center

[Scott Frederick]

Hello ETM,

Sunday, February 22, 2004, 10:31:55 PM, you wrote:

E> I have lost the bottom window of the connection center
E> (server, pie chart, etc.).

E> How do I get it back?

Push the "Details" button (lower left at the bottom of the panel).

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Re: connection center

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:57:15 +0100 GMT (15/12/2003, 23:57 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

> What happens here is that TB sends the message. However due to your
> settings it's delivering it's message to Norton's AV proxy.

That's the setting in my office as well.

> So when TB sends a message, it doesn't send it to your ISP's smtp
> server, but it sends the message to a local smtp service on your pc.
> That's a high speed connection. ;-) So TB thinks the message has been
> delivered. Keep in mind that because of this you can't use the setting
> that TB ends the connection when it has delivered the message.

Yeah, but while Norton may be connecting to the in-house SMTP server
for company mail and thus send it later, private mail using the GMX
server still gets delivered. I know that because I send a BCC copy to
myself, which I pick up later. And I do get replies from the intedned
recipients, too.

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Re: connection center

[Jernej Simončič]

On Monday, December 15, 2003, 17:57:15, Roelof Otten wrote:

> What you're asking is therefore not a TB thing. It's a Norton thing
> and as I don't use that, I don't know whether Norton AV has easy
> accessible log files to check your mail delivery.

In my experience, Norton discards all messages it's been unable to send,
because the connection terminated. Caused countless problems for our
customers.

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Re: connection center

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:14:28 +0500GMT (15-12-03, 16:14 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

RHS> But it went far too quickly given my slow dial up connection. I
RHS> checked my connection status, and it showed nowhere near that number
RHS> of kb sent (yes, it was showing only kb sent - it hadn't even reached
RHS> 1mb yet), and my Norton AV icon shows it still scanning an outgoing
RHS> message, so I didn't log off as I normally would. I have no idea if it
RHS> went okay or not. Anyone have any advice on how to get the connection
RHS> center to not close until the send is complete? And how to verify
RHS> whether it actually went?

What happens here is that TB sends the message. However due to your
settings it's delivering it's message to Norton's AV proxy.
Norton doesn't do any real time scanning, what it really does is
receiving the message via an smtp service, stores the message to disk,
scans the stored file and sends it further after it's being processed.
So when TB sends a message, it doesn't send it to your ISP's smtp
server, but it sends the message to a local smtp service on your pc.
That's a high speed connection. ;-) So TB thinks the message has been
delivered. Keep in mind that because of this you can't use the setting
that TB ends the connection when it has delivered the message.

What you're asking is therefore not a TB thing. It's a Norton thing
and as I don't use that, I don't know whether Norton AV has easy
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Re: Connection Center Confusion?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Barry,

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:45:27 + GMT (07/11/2003, 19:45 +0700 GMT),
Barry Higginbottom wrote:

>  With V2 I am now getting up to 1 cps!

10,000 characters per second should be 10,000 bytes/sec = 80k bits per
second.

>  Is this more efficient coding on V2.0 or is it lying to me! :>)
>  I use a std 56K connection with a connection speed around 28-32K

The figure of 1 cps seems unrealistic to me. But I cannot confirm
this over here, I always get realistic download speeds shown in the
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Re: Connection center stopping oin particular mails

[Alexander]

09-Sep-2003 20:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I use outlook firewall, but have also deactivated this.

I assume you mean Outpost? :)


> This is not a version 2 problem - was having the same problem
> before upgrading.
> Any ideas

I'm using Outpost, too - this can't be the problem. In addition - I never
ever ran into problems with the connection centre being stuck. Maybe
because I have a spam-catching local proxy (SpamPal) between TheBat and my
mail server(s)? I don't know... maybe its worth a try, though.

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Re: Connection Center Hanging (cont.)

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> yes I have Zone Alarm and a hardware wall (I keep ZA to monitor
> outgoing traffic). My McAffee AV has Outlook email scanning enabled,
> and its 'download and email scanning' enabled. [..] Should I?

There are two possibilities here, ZoneAlarm is the first. There have
been a large number of posts in conjunction with ZoneAlarm (try
scanning the archives) about issues with the software and TB in
particular. The other is McAfee, if it is doing active scans on mail
as it is downloading via POP3 (ie, stepping in the way of TB to
download the mail), TB might not get acknowledgements of a file being
downloaded that is very large, while it can still see an active
connection. This would result in TB not timing out as there is no need
to, but would also result in TB stalling. How about disabling them
both for a while, and see if the issues go away. There have been
plenty of firewall suggestions in the past (again list archives will
help there) that will be perfect replacements.

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Re: Connection Center Hanging (cont.)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello dajabo,

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:58:20 +0100 GMT (24/08/2003, 01:58 +0700 GMT),
dajabo wrote:

TF>> Where/when does it hang? "Connecting to server"?

> well yes, connecting to host

Known bug:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_advanced_page.php?f_id=0001037

Sometimes TB hangs, sometimes it times out fine. Stefan has
experienced this too, and has thus confirmed the bug himself. Even
though the bug is not marked as "fixed", I haven't experienced this
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Re: Connection Center Hanging (cont.)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello dajabo,

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:58:02 +0100 GMT (23/08/2003, 13:58 +0700 GMT),
dajabo wrote:

> This little problem (the connection centre hanging) has only
> begun affecting me for the last few
> weeks. Until then the CC was working like a dream...

Where/when does it hang? "Connecting to server"?

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Re: Connection Center Hanging (cont.)

[Daniel Rail]

Hello dajabo,

Saturday, August 23, 2003, 3:58:02 AM, you wrote:


> This little problem (the connection centre hanging) has only
> begun affecting me for the last few
> weeks. Until then the CC was working like a dream...

> I can't think of any config changes I made to encourage it.

> And it seems to occur at random on different accounts, ie different
> accounts hang at different times, though they are always accounts with
> the same POP server.

Do you happen to have a firewall installed? or an antivirus with mail
checking installed? or a spam checker installed?  Is it possible that
the POP server verifies the e-mail while you download the messages?

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Re: Connection Center Hangs While Checking Mail Headers

[audiac]

Friday, July 25, 2003, 3:39:48 PM, WL wrote:

> ..OTOH, I get a similar problem with 1.62r. When
> checking mail and connection center set to automatic,
> the communication center window will usually pop up and
> go away of its own accord. Every once in a while (3-5
> times a day with 15min automatic checks), the
> communication center window will sit on the screen with
> no messages or tasks, and the abort and delete task
> window will have no affect. If I manually force a check
> (F2 key), the comm. center window gets re-used, and
> goes away correctly.

I've had this problem too. I've noticed that it occurs when I give
focus to the connection centre just as it finishes checking for mail.
It's never happened when I let it run minimised. Of course, it doesn't
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Re: Connection Center Hangs While Checking Mail Headers

[WL]

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 10:16:37 PM, Chris Montgomery wrote:
CM> [replying to self]

CM> Well, I don't know what the problem was, but since this was for my Yahoo
CM> account, I went to the web mail page and cleared out the messages using
CM> my web browser. Must've been a corrupt message on the server. Problem
CM> solved (at least for now).

..OTOH, I get a similar problem with 1.62r. When
checking mail and connection center set to automatic,
the communication center window will usually pop up and
go away of its own accord. Every once in a while (3-5
times a day with 15min automatic checks), the
communication center window will sit on the screen with
no messages or tasks, and the abort and delete task
window will have no affect. If I manually force a check
(F2 key), the comm. center window gets re-used, and
goes away correctly.

I have a feeling this only happens when mail is
actually downloaded, but have no other particulars at
this point. It seems all the messages are downloaded
correctly, though.

At first, I thought it was related to the virtual
desktop thingie I was playing with, but if somebody
else is reporting a similar problem...

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Re: Connection Center Hangs While Checking Mail Headers

[Chris Montgomery]

[replying to self]

Well, I don't know what the problem was, but since this was for my Yahoo
account, I went to the web mail page and cleared out the messages using
my web browser. Must've been a corrupt message on the server. Problem
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Re: Connection Center?

[Thomas F]

Hello Greg,

On Sat, 18 May 2002 11:01:49 -0500 GMT (18/05/02, 23:01 +0700 GMT),
Greg Strong wrote:

GS> What is the purpose of the "Transfer" column in the Connection Center?

It shows you how many bytes of total how many bytes have been
transferred toyour computer.

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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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Hello Dierk,

On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:06:12 +0100GMT (1-12-01, 20:06 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

>> since I don't even know where to find Granada.

DH> 3. In your history book under 1492 (Nothing to do with Christobal
DH> Colon, but a lot with Islam).

Ouch! History and Spain. :-(
I only know about the eighty year war we had way back with them. ;-)


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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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On 1  Dec 2001 at 19:44:51 you wrote:

> In that case you're entitled to collect my part of the paella too,
> since I don't even know where to find Granada.

1. In an Atlas (I recommend the one from the Britannica or even the on
from National Geographic).

2. About 100 km Northeast of Malaga, directly North from Almeria.

3. In your history book under 1492 (Nothing to do with Christobal
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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Hello Roelof,

On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:44:51 +0100 GMT (02/12/2001, 02:44 +0800 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

RO> In that case you're entitled to collect my part of the paella too,
RO> since I don't even know where to find Granada.

Thanks. :-)

Grananda is in southern Spain, 37 degrees N / 3 degrees W. ;-)

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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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On 1  Dec 2001, 12:44:51 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> In that case you're entitled to collect my part of the paella too,
> since I don't even know where to find Granada.

Even without the paella, a visit to Granada would be a very good
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Thomas,

On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:27:51 +0800GMT (1-12-01, 5:27 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

AQ>> Thank to all of you who gave me a hand. Roelof and Thomas won the
AQ>> paella (half each) for their good suggestions.

AQ>> down south. What are you waiting for? Come and get your award!

TF> I will be in Granada in the second quarter of next year, I just
TF> learned. Will let you know! :-)

In that case you're entitled to collect my part of the paella too,
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

[Thomas F]

Hello Arturo,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:48:29 +0100 GMT (30/11/2001, 22:48 +0800 GMT),
Arturo Quirantes wrote:

AQ> SUCCESS!!!

:-)))

AQ> Thank to all of you who gave me a hand. Roelof and Thomas won the
AQ> paella (half each) for their good suggestions.



AQ> Lars also gets a second price (ham and gazpacho fine for you?),

Lars, say "yes": jamon Serrano and a good Andalusian gazpacho. You
can't beat it (well, only with a paella...)

AQ> and BTW, weather in Granada is fine, cold but sunny, with a sky
AQ> resort 30 km away, an Arab palace in the landscape and the beach
AQ> down south. What are you waiting for? Come and get your award!

I will be in Granada in the second quarter of next year, I just
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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Hello Lars,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:00:26 +0100 GMT (30/11/2001, 20:00 +0800 GMT),
Lars Geiger wrote:

TF>> Is RAS the Connection Center?

LG> AFAIK, RAS stands for "remote access service". That's the name used for
LG> the dial up mechanism in Windows, so I thought that the meaning is the
LG> same for TB!

Yeah, I understand RAS to be the new name for DUN. However, I am on
cable, and there actually is one registry key with the word
"Connection Center" in its name. So the term RAS is a bit confusing
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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Hi Thomas,
On 30 Nov 2001 at 19:16:07 [GMT +0800], you wrote:

TF> Is RAS the Connection Center?

AFAIK, RAS stands for "remote access service". That's the name used for
the dial up mechanism in Windows, so I thought that the meaning is the
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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Hello Arturo,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:02:42 +0100GMT (30-11-2001, 12:02 +0100GMT,
where I live), you wrote:

>> Just looked, no luck either. :-(
AQ> Lars Geiger suggested:
AQ>  HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/RAS (Top|Left|Height|Width)

And those will do fine, they work for me.

AQ> I checked out, and the RAS decimal values are: 31 (Height),
AQ> 160 (Width), 3000 (Left, Top).  3000 seems a bit too much, so I
AQ> lowered to 100, to no avail.

I've got height 364, left 231, top 156 and width 484. Screen
resolution is 800x600.
When editing the registry you should remember to close TB, edit the
registry and restart TB, than the new entries should work.


AQ> Most shocking, in the Editor and Source Viewer subfolders,
AQ> the values of Left and Top were 2147483694 !  A little too high,
AQ> don´t you think?  Other piece of information: just before this
AQ> problem first arose, Windows advised me of some problem with the
AQ> registry.  It said it had repaired it, but I´m not so sure.  Doh!

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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

[Thomas F]

Hi Arturo,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:02:42 +0100GMT (30/11/2001, 19:02 +0800GMT),
Arturo Quirantes wrote:

AQ> - When I press Alt+F2, the CC shows in the taskbar.

You can also choose Options / Preferences / Display Connection Center:
Always.

AQ> The options available are: Move, Size, Minimize, Close.

This means the window is open.

AQ> - If i Minimize, the options available are Restore and Close.

This means the window is minimised.

It proves my theory that the size is either zero or the window off the
screen.

AQ> Lars Geiger suggested:

AQ>  HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/RAS (Top|Left|Height|Width)

AQ> I checked out, and the RAS decimal values are: 31 (Height),
AQ> 160 (Width), 3000 (Left, Top).  3000 seems a bit too much, so I
AQ> lowered to 100, to no avail.

Is RAS the Connection Center?

AQ> Most shocking, in the Editor and Source Viewer subfolders,
AQ> the values of Left and Top were 2147483694 !  A little too high,
AQ> don´t you think?  Other piece of information: just before this
AQ> problem first arose, Windows advised me of some problem with the
AQ> registry.  It said it had repaired it, but I´m not so sure.  Doh!

Could well be the problem. Do you have a backup of your reg key? FYI
whenever I backup TB, I also backup its reg key.

AQ>>> First one to find it can consider him/herself invited to paella
AQ>>> next time you come to Granada, Spain.

>> That promise alone made me search the registry manually! ;-)

AQ> Maybe the way out of the dotcom crisis is easier than we thought
AQ> ;-)

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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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Hi Arturo,
On 30 Nov 2001 at 10:10:46 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

AQ> First one to find it can consider him/herself invited to paella
AQ> next time you come to Granada, Spain.

OK, what about this one:

HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/RAS (Top|Left|Height|Width)

Well, how's the weather in Spain at the moment? :-) In Germany it's
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

[Thomas F]

Hi Arturo,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:10:46 +0100GMT (30/11/2001, 17:10 +0800GMT),
Arturo Quirantes wrote:

>> How about Maximise?

AQ> Maybe, because I cannot maximize, either.

Of all the options in the context menu, whcih oens are available?

>> When you clikc on Minimise, does the Restore option suddenly
>> reappear?  

AQ> Yes, it does (and it´s the only option then available).

You mean the Close option is not available, either? I am asking
because what you say seems to prove my theory, but there might still
be anotehr reason.

>> Someone here on the list should remember in which registry key the
>> setting for size and location are stored. And what the default
>> values are, to which you should set them.

AQ> I also had the idea that it might be off the screen, but I
AQ> have been unable to find the size/location data in the registry is.

Just looked, no luck either. :-(

AQ> First one to find it can consider him/herself invited to paella next
AQ> time you come to Granada, Spain.

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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

[Thomas F]

Hi Arturo,

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:53:20 +0100GMT (30/11/2001, 15:53 +0800GMT),
Arturo Quirantes wrote:

AQ> I have a related problem. I get the CC in the taskbar, but cannot
AQ> make it appear!

Hmm, over here it comes into the foreground when I click on the
taskbar item.

AQ> Alex Leschinsky, from RITlabs, told me to restore the window (CC,
AQ> I guess) from its minimized form when I send/receive, but to no
AQ> avail: the "restore" option in the right-button menu is grayed
AQ> out.

How about Maximise? Maybe the size is set to zero or something, so
that's why you don't see it. Maybe also it is located off the screen,
so that Restore option is greyed out, because it is already restored?

When you clikc on Minimise, does the Restore option suddenly reappear?

AQ> Has anybody had this "phantom CC" problem, and if so, how did you
AQ> solve it? I´m using W98 and TB 1.53d

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setting for size and location are stored. And what the default values
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Re: Connection center only when TB not minimise ?

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El día 30/11/2001, a las 8:48, escribiste:

> Hi all,

>   I was wondering if there is a way to make appear the connection
> center 
>   only when TB isn't minimise.

>   I'd like to not see it in the taskbar each time it check my mails
> when 
>   TB is minimised.

I have a related problem.  I get the CC in the taskbar, but
cannot make it appear!

Alex Leschinsky, from RITlabs, told me to restore the window
(CC, I guess) from its minimized form when I send/receive, but to no
avail: the "restore" option in the right-button menu is grayed out.

Has anybody had this "phantom CC" problem, and if so, how
did you solve it?  I´m using W98 and TB 1.53d

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Re: Connection center in minimized.

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S>> Hello list people.
S>> I have this problem:
S>> The connection center window is always minimize here.
S>> It was normal until an hour ago and god knows what made it becoem
S>> minimized.

> I'd suggest you check this by bringing the taskbar button for the
> connection center in focus, hitting Alt-Space and selecting 'Move'. You
> can the use the arrow keys to move it into view. When in the desired
> position hit 'enter' to apply the new position.

Hallelujah ! It worked.
>From some reason the size of the connection center was very small ..
Now It's back to normal.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Connection center in minimized.

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:18:37 +0200, Shahar wrote these words of wisdom:

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S> Hello list people.
S> I have this problem:
S> The connection center window is always minimize here.
S> It was normal until an hour ago and god knows what made it becoem
S> minimized.

S> I try to choose restore, move, size from the right mouse button and
S> nothing. I reinstalled the s/w, reboot the machine and nothing.

S> Any idea ?

Is it minimised or has it drifted off the screen?

I'd suggest you check this by bringing the taskbar button for the
connection center in focus, hitting Alt-Space and selecting 'Move'. You
can the use the arrow keys to move it into view. When in the desired
position hit 'enter' to apply the new position.

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Re: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

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On 15 June 2001 at  22:09:17 +0100 (which was 22:09 where I live)
David Stone wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

DS> I hope nobody misunderstands me. I'm not complaining about the cc
DS> just reporting what I'm seeing. I like this new version but the cc
DS> is causing me some problems.

Although I have seen some "sticking" with the CC, I've found that
forcing a secondary mail check "kicks" it. Then again, I run to a
server on the LAN.

DS> I just wonder now that if the pop3 server fails in some way that
DS> the check is not timed out correctly.

It does seem that way.


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Re: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[fred]

> Hello,
> 
> Thursday, June 14, 2001, 7:29:57 AM, you wrote:
> 
> I'm still having some problems with the connection centre.
> Neither do the end task or abort buttons work.
> 
> But what I have found is
> 
> Messages that are stuck when viewed show a blank page (HTML is set to
> display but problem occurs if it's set to off!) but I can use the view
> source option to see the content..
> 
> Normally I connect via cable modem but if I switch from LAN to dial up
> in Network Administration then the next time some accounts are due for
> checking the one's that are 'stuck' in the cc are re accessed and are
> downloaded okay. However I then get an application error:-
> 
> Exception EAccessViolation 36F426F0 in module THEBAT.EXE
> Read of Address 37343934
> 
> Does anyone know if any IE files/modules are accessed by TheBat! as
> I'm wondering if this problem is being caused by a damaged IE file.

I have almost the same problems as you descrive and things started to go wrong since 
the connection centre was introduced in the Bat. 
The problems still exist in the latest beta versions and also in the official relase 
1.53BIS. For this reason I decided to go back to version 1.51.

My operating system is Windows ME!

Regards,
Fred van Veen
The Netherlands

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Re: Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[David Stone]

Hello,

Thursday, June 14, 2001, 7:29:57 AM, you wrote:

DS> Hello,

DS> I had a problem when I installed 1.52x with the connection center. I
DS> noticed that with some accounts the cc would come up,download the
DS> message and the cc would stay connected with the status bar fully
DS> 'lit'.

DS> I could not close the cc or hence TheBat! other than by using
DS> ctl-alt-del and ending the task. I noticed that any message that had
DS> downloaded this way would not show as read (after 1 sec with my option
DS> set) and double clicking would open an empty window even though the
DS> size of the message indicated some text in it. They were only a small
DS> size and the download size had not been reached.

I'm still having some problems with the connection centre. The problem
occurs when I try to download a message with an HTML content. The
particular account shows in the cc as 100% progress but there is no
disconnection from the POP3 account (in TheBat!). The connection
centre shows connect times in the hours.

Neither do the end task or abort buttons work.

But what I have found is

Messages that are stuck when viewed show a blank page (HTML is set to
display but problem occurs if it's set to off!) but I can use the view
source option to see the content,which is how I know they are HTML
content messages. And of course whilst the cc shows as connected
TheBat! cannot be closed.


Normally I connect via cable modem but if I switch from LAN to dial up
in Network Administration then the next time some accounts are due for
checking the one's that are 'stuck' in the cc are re accessed and are
downloaded okay. However I then get an application error:-

Exception EAccessViolation 36F426F0 in module THEBAT.EXE
Read of Address 37343934

Does anyone know if any IE files/modules are accessed by TheBat! as
I'm wondering if this problem is being caused by a damaged IE file.



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Re: Connection Center

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Tim Musson wrote:

> Thanks, works as advertised, but unfortunately, there is nothing to
> look at unless it is processing a task... I guess I will have to go to
> a slow dialup connection and let my biggest account fill up for a
> couple of days. 

You might us the "Account/Dispatch on server" method to be able to
appreciate the Connection Centre at its fullest.

Regards,

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Re: Connection Center

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Tim Musson wrote:

> I just upgraded from 1.51, and want to look at the Connection Center
> to check it out. Is there a way to get it to stay up? I am on an
> Internet connected LAN, so it only seems to stay up for a couple of
> seconds.

Navigate to Options/Preferences/General and set "Display Connection
Center" to "Always".

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Re: Connection Center Blues

[Thomas]

Hello Dave,

On Tue, 22 May 2001 10:42:49 -0500 GMT (22/05/2001, 23:42 +0800 GMT),
Dave Gorman wrote:

DG> Now perhaps if the CC took the focus every time mail was checked I might
DG> have to abandon TB! :)

LOL!

FWIW I, too, like the behaviour the way it is. :-)

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Re: Connection Center Blues

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Tuesday, May 22, 2001, 6:31:31 PM, Ottar Grimstad wrote:

>   CC is always miminized here, on automatic mailchecks, F2 Alt-F2,
>   whatever. Annoying.

Hehe, see that's not random, it's always like that :) OTOH, did
you play with the options in: Options->Show Connection Center  ?

>   And the habit of making windows too small for the information
>   contained without an option for maximizing, annoying too.

This one is strange.

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Re: Connection Center Blues

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Hello Ottar!

On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 5:31:31 PM you wrote:

>   CC is always miminized here, on automatic mailchecks, F2 Alt-F2,
>   whatever. Annoying.

Now I get it, I've set the CC to show always instead of automatically.

>   And the habit of making windows too small for the information
>   contained without an option for maximizing, annoying too.

But you can resize the CC manually - a way I personally like much more
than maximising buttons, but I'm on a 19" monitor using various
windows at the same time. Phew, a multi-tasking user, never heard of
that before ...



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Re: Connection Center Blues

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Hello Yuki!

On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 2:18:13 PM you wrote:

> Takes one click to open TB from the Quick Launch Tool Bar and have it check
> for mail.  If I have to click it to open it, then go to Alt-F2 (not just
> F2) to get it to check mail for all accounts and have the CC on top where
> it belongs, I just may give up TB.

I still can't follow. When I've started my computer in the morning,
first thing I do is to double click my shortcut to TB!. It is set to
check my mail accounts at start-up, which it does. The CC asks for my
password to my ISP and dials in. The CC gets the focus, goes to the
front and asks for the account passwords at my POP3 servers. And the
CC stays in focus and on top ...


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Re: Connection Center Blues

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Silviu,

Tuesday, May 22, 2001, 3:04:09 PM, you wrote:

SC> Actualy it isn't random at all. When you press F2 to check for
SC> mail, CC will come up on top, if TB! automatically checks for mail
SC> then CC will start minimized.

  CC is always miminized here, on automatic mailchecks, F2 Alt-F2,
  whatever. Annoying.

  And the habit of making windows too small for the information
  contained without an option for maximizing, annoying too.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2001, 1:00:12 PM, William Moore wrote:

> I find the focus is 'random' - sometimes it's on top,
> sometimes it isn't. I haven't found a pattern yet. There
> must be one - it's software after all!

Actualy it isn't random at all. When you press F2 to check for
mail, CC will come up on top, if TB! automatically checks for
mail then CC will start minimized.

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Re: Connection Center Blues

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Yuki Taga,

On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:38:53 +0900 (Tue, 22 May 11:38:53 in Copenhagen)
you wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to get the Connection Center to have the focus and
> be on top when TB opens?  Before I ditch TB?  (Seriously, I don't want to
> wear my wrist out clicking to bring up a window that needs to be on top
> anyway. I really don't like this.  I want to see what's going on, and I
> want it on top.)

It seems to me that the the pattern is quite simple: the only thing that
will bring the CC on top and in focus is doing the F2-command. Perhaps
this is meant as a simple way to ensure, that you can have TB check for
new mail in the background without the CC popping up to disturb you. If
I were you, I would uncheck the option for checking mail at startup and
begin doing the F2-command instead. Not nearly as wrist-wretching as
battling with the the CC...

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Re: Connection Center Blues

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Hello William!

On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 12:00:12 PM you wrote:

> I find the focus is 'random' - sometimes it's on top,
> sometimes it isn't. I haven't found a pattern yet. There
> must be one - it's software after all!

I do only need the CC on top when it actually dials, to be precise
when the connection is established and messages are transferred. And
then the CC is always on top with me. Maybe because I do not store my
passwords (neither for my ISP's connection nor for my POP3 accounts).



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Re: Connection Center Blues

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Hello Yuki,

Tuesday, May 22, 2001, 10:38:53 AM, you wrote:


YT> All:

YT> Can anyone tell me how to get the Connection Center to have the focus and
YT> be on top when TB opens?  Before I ditch TB?  (Seriously, I don't want to
YT> wear my wrist out clicking to bring up a window that needs to be on top
YT> anyway. I really don't like this.  I want to see what's going on, and I
YT> want it on top.)

YT> Best,

YT> Yuki ^_^

YT> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: connection center

[Maxime.Moulin]

Bonjour Mark,

Le mardi 15 mai 2001 à 21:17:15, vous écriviez :



MW> I have the connection center (which I like) set to Show Automatically.  I also
MW> have the option set for Sticky Send and Receive Windows.

MW> The first couple of connections, the connection center is right there in the
MW> middle of the screen, showing me what is going on, just like it should.

MW> After those first few checks, the connection center minimizes itself to the task
MW> bar whenever I send or receive.  I can't see what is going on unless I go to the
MW> task bar and restore the window while the connection is active.  Very weird!

MW> I'm on Win95 with TB! 1.52f.


I've got the same problem, but for me its always in the taskbar...Sendeing, receiving 
or checking..

I'm on Win2k Pro TB ! 1.52 f

It's the kind of small but annoying thing !

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