Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:10:24 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 11:10:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Hi Simon, On Tuesday, March 07, 2000 at 21:15:52 GMT + (which was 1:15 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: How-do-you-do, I have noticed that TB! very occasionally seems to freeze with Windows when I launch it just as I make a connection to the Net. It is always just as TB! launches at the same time the connection is opened. If I wait 3 secs (after ICMP UDP packets finish broadcasting) I do not seem to get a problem. If I forget however, and manually launch TB! to quickly, TB! takes Windows into cold storage with it. Anyone had this problem? Go into the shortcut Properties and add /NOLOGO to the end of the command line. TB loads a little quicker, and it seems to have stopped the freezes on my computer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Doesnt fix it. However it means you have to really click fast on the second program to make it hang as startup of the Bat takes less time,,, I managed it though (g) to hang it with agent.. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Januk posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: J Go into the shortcut Properties and add /NOLOGO to the end of the J command line. TB loads a little quicker, and it seems to have stopped J the freezes on my computer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Although an old topic, and by now firmly established as an 'unwanted feature' of TB! (kindness prevails) just for the record: I launch TB! from a shortcut on the task bar that does indeed have the /NOLOGO parameter. In fact, I have a shell extension called parameterize that allows me to add any parameter to any executable before running which I also use. Therefore, the splash screen has never been much, if any, problem. Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hi Simon, On Tuesday, March 07, 2000 at 21:15:52 GMT + (which was 1:15 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: How-do-you-do, I have noticed that TB! very occasionally seems to freeze with Windows when I launch it just as I make a connection to the Net. It is always just as TB! launches at the same time the connection is opened. If I wait 3 secs (after ICMP UDP packets finish broadcasting) I do not seem to get a problem. If I forget however, and manually launch TB! to quickly, TB! takes Windows into cold storage with it. Anyone had this problem? Go into the shortcut Properties and add /NOLOGO to the end of the command line. TB loads a little quicker, and it seems to have stopped the freezes on my computer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze)
Hi Simon and Tracer, On 10 March 2000 at 21:18:03 GMT + (which was 21:18 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: t I think my number of systems is a bit larger... S Well I was actually referring to my home/office Network actually, S not my customer base. [snip] Please take this interesting but now wy off-topic and getting-very-lengthy discussion off list. The horse died a while back (from the TB perspective). Thanks. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze)
How-do-you-do, Marck D. Pearlstone posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: MDP Please take this interesting but now wy off-topic and MDP getting-very-lengthy discussion off list. The horse died a while back MDP (from the TB perspective). I'm afraid the 'Horse' was well and truly executed in the wee, dark hours of this very morning Marck (0200 GMT to be precise) - off list. Whatever is now posted beyond my last posting is nothin' to do with me. For what it's worth, you will see that I was not the last person to post to this topic. However, I do appreciate that your mailbox doesn't need filling up with inconsequential rubbish that has zero to do with TBUDL subjects. Therefore, I will *guarantee* you that, for my part at least, the horsy has galloped off into horsie heaven. Hope you can now sleep at night :-D Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze)
On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 03:39:56PM +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Please take this interesting but now wy off-topic and getting-very-lengthy discussion off list. The horse died a while back (from the TB perspective). What, a discussion that I was never involved in got dead hosrsed? How could that be? I mean I think I've been in every dead horse subject in the past few months. Wait... By sending this I get involved in this subject. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:18:03 + GMT your local time, which was Saturday, March 11, 2000, 4:18:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: some of my customers do actually phone me back ;-) Normally to tell you it still doesnt work (g). I rarely get a guy calling me he is happy On the other hand if I meet any in a local restaurant and that happens a lot it can be a real problem to stay off a computer subject and to refuse at least some of the free beer and other stuff... Personally I would not want anything to do with any of my customers' systems until they called me out - I have stable blood pressure at the moment. It certainly would be no luxury if they were inside my control ;-) Most of them would worry me into an early grave if I spent enough time thinking about some of the things they get up to. Here they do get up to about anything you can think off, partly due to the fact that 'free' software is easily obtained so the most amazing collection of software is in those machines... Often the easy fix is to zap their registry and reinstall their windows keeping all those visible icons / start menus and tell them to add software back in they need... On the other hand that kind of service, ie adding a well behaved program to their systems is where with most local customers the easy money is... And they happily bring the case in so I may have 2-3 sitting connected at the same time running a reinstall, a disk recovery or whatever I will go on service calls but normally things get brought in as it saves me a lot of time. Sidetrack: A customer (a male in his late 40s), admittedly not too bright, was convinced that the PC I had built him wasn't making the same noise as when he first got it from me, so took to banging the top and side of his PC which, according to him (I found out later), made it sound right after a couple of whacks. One day he phoned me to say that his computer would not bootup. When I went around to see him, he said that the PC had been playing up for a while. On investigating, I found a completely knackered hard disk. After I had installed a replacement, I noticed the CPU fan rattling a bit when booting so I swapped it out there an then. As I was doing that, the chap said "..that was the noise it was making before. I knew there was something wrong. When I banged it the noise stopped!" I did then explain why I was charging him for the new hard drive. Hard drive failures are very common here. All customers have been warned to call immediately when there are any odd noises from their systems and they do. As a result most of them donot loose data. With regards to waranty, I donot mind why its dead, I just send them back as 'dead' and if the uneducated importers technical staff donot know what they are selling, their problem. On the other hand I wouldnt give them a free replacement while the drive is on a 3 week replacement trip. I end up with a happy customer as I am doing my best to get his old drive fixed up and I sell him a new drive. If importer doesnt do it, well, not my fault... One drive was going to be installed by the customer and he managed to force the power plug in the wrong way. Same treatment and importer replaced it... When I first started out I got suckered regularly by a few lovely customers who made me endless cups of tea whilst I wasted endless hours of my time reinstalling software for them that they had spent only moments screwing up. Generally, these types blamed the problem on the computer that I had built them so that I would do the work for free. I became wise, quickly. I have mostly steered clear of software related problems as it doesn't really pay the bills. Often, a reinstall of Windows and all software is a lot quicker than tracking down and repairing odd registry errors and corrupted installations. Agreed, which is why I offer them cloned backups... And I have quite a few essential programs from customers stored on my cd's. Recently one lost the hard disk, and drive was totally dead. He didnt have a backup and he was very happy I had an old backcup of all his restaurant cooking/bar programs... On the other hand I have a few of those nice customers and sometimes a 'payment' with a real good meal or like yesterday a nice sailing trip is not a bad swap.. It really only caused me a problem one time when this girl with damaged laptop and no money came in the next day with durian. A really nice strong smelling fruit. I like them so together and with an other customer having lived here a few years we were eating them until there was this yell from next door what was stinking so badly in the office... She still is a customer but now has a boyfriend who makes enough money to buy that new computer and guess where... Software that I recommend is often running on my PC for around 2 months before I mention it to anyone. But my advice to them is still to always back up their software before installing
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:44:38 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, March 11, 2000, 3:44:38 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: The misunderstanding was related to whether @tGuard can cause problems while constantly disabled - no one has run that down for me. I donot think so, but in your case many problems are likely just caused by hard disk space and the best way to keep that under control is not installing new software... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze)
Hello Simon, On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:55:58 + GMT your local time, which was Saturday, March 11, 2000, 10:55:58 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: How-do-you-do, Marck D. Pearlstone posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: MDP Please take this interesting but now wy off-topic and MDP getting-very-lengthy discussion off list. The horse died a while back MDP (from the TB perspective). I'm afraid the 'Horse' was well and truly executed in the wee, dark hours of this very morning Marck (0200 GMT to be precise) - off list. Whatever is now posted beyond my last posting is nothin' to do with me. For what it's worth, you will see that I was not the last person to post to this topic. However, I do appreciate that your mailbox doesn't need filling up with inconsequential rubbish that has zero to do with TBUDL subjects. Therefore, I will *guarantee* you that, for my part at least, the horsy has galloped off into horsie heaven. Hope you can now sleep at night :-D same here, I just saw this msg so thats the last one on this subject from me (g) except ONE tiny problem. When trying to send this msg I managed to click besides a send button also another one at almost the same time, and the Bat frooze If I remember correctly I double clicked on the send of the edit mail so the second click ended up on what I think was a mailfolder icon... In short the original freezing may not just be The bat with another program but the bat with another action in the bat If correct its a bug in the BAT! So is the original deep freeze still alive or burried with the dead horse?? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:27:26 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, March 12, 2000, 4:27:26 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Can Atguard and ZoneAlarm run concurrently? Douglas Douglas, the answer is YES, BUT And to avoid reviving a dead horse...ask me off line!! Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:55 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:17:55 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hi Douglas, On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:43:02 -0600GMT (10/03/2000, 09:43 +0800GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application? I have at guard installed DH but it's usually disabled. At guard is not an antivirus... Latest version by the way from before Norton got their hands on it floats around on the net and seems to work under 2000. http://www.hutch.org.uk/ http://www.fuckwit.tm/build11.zip By the way it was said that the second links was a typical English frase, not a rude one. Now that's pretty fatalistic. Just today I got the old Pretty Park virus again in an email. I suggest you leave your AV protection up and running - and updated. ;-) DH this happens when resources are low and the screen redraws very DH slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my rebooting a bit, DH if I delete the .tmp before reopening it. There was a problem with TB leaving all sorts of garbage in the tmp directory, but I think that's been solved. My tmp is empty now when I close TB. I still get heaps of tmp files in the attachment dir And Pretty Park: someone repacked it with a different compressor so the result was old virus but new looks and the virus scanners nicely ignored it I had quite a few cases of it last week so if anyone with 98 gets caught the cure is easy: run regscan and pick up a clean registry. This means the file loading the virus doesnt get loaded at windows startup... Donot let a virus cleaner immunize or delete files as if it does likely part of windows doesnt work... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:35:17 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:35:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: How-do-you-do, Douglas Hinds posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application? DH I have at guard installed DH but it's usually disabled. this happens when resources are low and the DH screen redraws very slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my DH rebooting a bit, if I delete the .tmp before reopening it. No, not exactly. The particular program I was thinking off suddenly sucks-out the last bit of memory when you are running it and causes the "no canvas handle" error. However, I think I can guess what your problem might be: at Guard! It is an absolute swine for chewing up resources and randomly hanging TB!, and Windows, and especially when actually connected to the Internet. It seems to cause random freezes, slow downs, and memory suck-out, before leaving you no alternative other than to reboot. I was running it for quite a while before I worked out what was causing my problems. TB!s quirks didn't help matters mind you, but as soon as I dumped at Guard, normality returned. I never had problems with it but what do you run, 98 or 95 and what processor / ram? With 256 mb I unlikely would notice a minor misbehaviour... I use other stuff now. There is a choice: Lockdown2000, Signal9's PC Firewall, and ZoneAlarm. Lockdown is junk I am sorry to say. Zone alarm is free and not bad Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:25:25 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 2:25:25 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: How-do-you-do, Justin D. Paine posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: JDP Why not run I.E. as a seperate process? Well this was in fact what I was doing until I last upgraded IE 5 to IE 51. The setting I remember was under the advanced tab of Internet Options, but to my dismay, the setting now seems to have disappeared! If anyone knows any different I would be more than glad to have info. you should never upgrade ie's in windows. if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get registry corruptions/confusion Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:40:21 +0700, tracer wrote: you should never upgrade ie's in windows. Hmmm. I've never had or seen a problem. if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get registry corruptions/confusion I can imagine. Anyone who decides to run the IE upgrade in DOS outside of windows is begging for trouble. :( -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.41 *:* Windows NT5 (Build 2195 ) --- ** Ever notice that 'What the hell' is always the right decision? ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
(Now a bit OT) Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:50:19 +, Simon wrote: ** snip ** I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced considerably. I guess this is why I have absolutely no problems with atguard. I have it running at all times and run it at startup. :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.41 *:* Windows NT5 (Build 2195 ) --- ** Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
On Friday, March 10, 2000, 3:23:23 AM, Justin D. Paine wrote: Hello tracer, You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4, win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system.. Justin, you'd be in the minority then I'm afraid. IE updates _do_ cause problems, and as such, I stay well clear of any IE updates. In fact, I use Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months. If I _have_ to use one of the bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use Netscape. IE Updates replace a whole host of System DLL's, but the problem is, they don't all work well together with other MS Products, such as having a current MS Outlook install for instance. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Allie Martin posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: AM ... Oh, I forgot to answer these parts. On comparing the contents AM ... AM [-] Fixed potential vulnerability of 'X-Bat-Files:'. I checked this out earlier and it is sure enough fixed. Tried everything but anything spoofed outside the mailbox gets copied back over to it. Nifty ;) Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Justin D. Paine, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:23:23 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 6:23:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Justin D. Paine wrote: Hello tracer, You are advising someone to not upgrade? You would prefer to have all sorts of security problems, bugs, etc? I have used win95, win98, nt4, win2k, and have NEVER had the I.E. update corrupt my system.. There is a difference between an upgrade and installing a time bomb in your system. Upgrading an IE is in the last category. Windows 98 has the great capability to more or less fix corrupted things up if re-installed from DOS. Asuming you havent installed something like ie5 on top which has to be uninstalled first If your system is corrupted and you cannot do that... Especially with IE5 there were so many versions that almost any combination caused problems and system corruption. Reason is that it doesnt exist as a product, its a collection of system files with registry settings... What to do is everybodies personal problem but if I have a choice between updating an IE5 which likely will corrupt my system OR updating it the next time with an integrated version with those bugfixes in it I have seen several perfect (as far as possible) systems being upgraded after which problems started. IE5 was a prime example as versions in 98v2 betas, office 2000, programmers kits and standalone all had different configurations. Security fixes, if one doesnt use office, outlook, outlook express, not sure how many real security problems are left if one runs a decent firewall, removes stuff MS inserts where they shouldnt. About the only patch I stuck in was the shutdown one as my system sometimes hangs. I see loads of corrupted systems every week, and its amazing how often the upgrades have done it... If an upgrade isnt absolutely required, donot put them in. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Allie Martin, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:18:08 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 7:18:08 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:40:21 +0700, tracer wrote: you should never upgrade ie's in windows. Hmmm. I've never had or seen a problem. if you get a corrupted system you cannot uninstall the thing and on installing from DOS out of windows you are guaranteed sure to get registry corruptions/confusion I can imagine. Anyone who decides to run the IE upgrade in DOS outside of windows is begging for trouble. :( Not what I meant, installing or reinstalling 98 from dos out, not ie5... However you canot remove an ie5 while in dos especially not if its corrupted I went through 2 beta sequences with 98 and it was always nice to have a backdoor! Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Now before I start. I'm not in any way trying to cause an argument, or be antagonistic, or upset anyone :) - happy to be a TBUDL subscriber. I've emailed tracer off list just to make certain there is no misunderstanding. If you think what I say stinks or has offended you, you can always email me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] anytime. V Now, Nick Andriash posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: NA Justin, you'd be in the minority then I'm afraid. IE updates _do_ cause NA problems, and as such, I wouldn't say that he is in a minority actually. Although it does really depend on individual system configurations I suppose. NA I stay well clear of any IE updates. In fact, I use Personally now, I have found the majority of IE updates to be rather innocuous. Perhaps because I am Outlook free? (This installation never had any Outlook or Frontpage apps installed, not even Express versions) NA Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months. The last time I tried Opera it was rather a pain. It was a while back mind you so perhaps a second look is in order. Dropping IE is Ok if you don't do much web development. NA If I _have_ to use one of the NA bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use NA Netscape. This is just an I hate M$ issue then. I mean that IE5 is in fact a good browser. NA IE Updates replace a whole host of System DLL's, but the problem is, they NA don't all work well together with other MS Products, such as having a NA current MS Outlook install for instance. I don't think that everyone that uses Windows and IE together has Outlook installed Well I don't at least. I use TB! ;-) NA Nick Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Douglas, Thursday, March 09, 2000, you wrote: S I use other stuff now. There is a choice: Lockdown2000, Signal9's S PC Firewall, and ZoneAlarm. ZoneAlarm is free from I use ZoneAlarm. It is good. The only thing I don't like about it is that it does not keep an log of what it has done. Just a few days ago ZoneAlarm alerted me to the fact that I had the SubSeven 2.1gold trojan active in my system. If you want an impressive test of ZA's ability try this. Install it then do a web search (I used Copernic 2000 Pro) on "MSREXE.EXE". A search on that seems to trigger many probes on high numbered ports. Probes that I have been unable to trace the DNS. ZA has also shown me that the ad supported software Steve Gibson of Gibson Research Corporation alerted people too continues to address my port 3000 even after it's software is removed. This happens as many as 75 times in an hour. S Whilst I miss some of the features of at Guard (like ability to S block or change the user agent and email, etc), these apps are much S more reliable than atGuard. In fact, ZoneAlarm stealths more ports S (well all of them actually) than any of the firewalls that I've S tried out. Best regards, Dennismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
On Friday, March 10, 2000, 9:59:46 AM, Simon wrote: If you think what I say stinks or has offended you, you can always email me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] anytime. V Not at all Simon. NA Opera and haven't touched IE in 6 months. The last time I tried Opera it was rather a pain. It was a while back mind you so perhaps a second look is in order. Dropping IE is Ok if you don't do much web development. Opera just released their version final 3.6.2 today: Additional information may be found on the Opera web site: http://www.opera.com/new36.html Or you may download the English versions: http://www.opera.com/download.html NA If I _have_ to use one of the NA bigger browsers for anything (Opera is extremely finicky), I'll use NA Netscape. This is just an I hate M$ issue then. I mean that IE5 is in fact a good browser. Well, _hate_ may be a rather strong word to use in my case, but I've experienced a lot of problems with MS, most especially so with their IE Updates. Yes, having and relying on Outlook 2K (at the time... I now use TB exclusively... and that in itself says something about MS) for E-Mail, I found the IE Updates played around with the System Files to such a degree that it virtually left my Outlook 2K install inoperable. I had to use SFC to go DLL by DLL and restore the original versions. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Dennis W. Greer posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: DWG I use ZoneAlarm. It is good. The only thing I don't like about it DWG is that it does not keep an log of what it has done. I found that a bind also. Steve Gibson's site gives mention of a possible 'ZoneAlarm Pro' on the horizon with all sorts of extended features inc. logging. No idea when though. Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Nick Andriash posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: NA use SFC to go DLL by DLL and restore the original versions. I take it you are aware of the 'glitch' in System File Checker on Win9x systems? http://www.bigfix.com/website/maintech.html#SFC has more info (problem affects more PC makes than is listed at bigfix. It obviously doesn't include home builds ;-)) Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: (Now a bit OT) Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Allie Martin, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:34:25 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 10:34:25 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:50:19 +, Simon wrote: ** snip ** I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced considerably. I guess this is why I have absolutely no problems with atguard. I have it running at all times and run it at startup. :) removing and starting firewalls is a bit like removing and replacing stones in the faoundation of your house, if they arent going back in the proper place, it may collapse... Problem being nobody knows what for a certain system the best order is, It depends on how you install your system and likely on a clean install you do things in a specific order which somehow seems to work better. So do I. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:50:19 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 7:50:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: How-do-you-do, Tracer, tracer, tracer! What ARE you talking about? First, not one IE5 upgrade that I have installed has ever knackered any of my Windows installations - any of the 5 PCs on my LAN. I think my number of systems is a bit larger... I see thousands per year... In addition if you talk about your own system, likely you do things in a way causing you the least problems. I havent got that luxury as most systems are outside my control. So if it is running and not causing problems and it isnt critical I am not going to upgrade a customer. Too much chance I end up wasting hours on a system due to something else dying! Free of charge obviously if I mess it up! PLUS complaints. Frankly, not upgrading to fix bugs is not a consideration at all. I have seen bug upgrades installed after which for example some silly game lost sound. I know you arent interested in a disney Winny the Pooh game making sound or not but tell that to the customer... Especially after charging him for the download and upgrade! He gets home and no more sound in that game. Daughter complains, next day he is back. Bug updates, and security holes need patching...as Justin commented. As far as I am concerned only if the user is in danger if he doesnt. I make sure they run a decent firewall, a decent antivirus tool and try to get them away from any MS related stuff as Outlook/Outlook express. It isnt even that difficult by telling them about the many virus attacks on that stuff and that they can loose all their email... If they really want the latest version of windows in most cases all they have to do is walk to the nearest computer software place and get themselves a copy. Simple as that. All I was wondering was where the option to browse in a separate process went to. (?) 2) In any event. Sorry, but you are wrong about @Guard mate. @Guard DOES cause problems. Check your background processes every now and then when @Guard is simply installed. IAMSERV is running yes? Maybe you noticed also that @Guard doesn't seem to want to leave it there and when you then activate @Guard when you connect to the Internet, @Guard loads another occurrence of it again. This causes MAJOR probs slow downs and hangs Internet Explorer, WIndows, TB! No problem with it. My At guard loads at startup. It never hangs anything in an obvious way. And as you will know order of things loaded can make a significant difference. Under windows starting and releasing firewalls especially if multiple protections are loaded is a good way to get them interfering in unexpected ways. So I always load them in the same order... If I crash off I reboot so it all gets started the same way. Especially when you drop your connection and have @GUard shut down automatically or do it manually. I donot shut it down , I reconnect. I really do like @Guard but have removed it from at least 7 peoples computers for the same complaints. I have given them ZOneAlarm to install because of this problem. NOT ONE person has had the same problem since its removal. Try using BFTP with Zonealarm... I run the beta at present as a test. Its a nice program but it doesnt give me enough control. I have to say that the problem occurs MORE frequently with people that have it installed but disabled at startup. I found that the problem was less severe when @Guard was run at startup and left running all the time. The chances then of IAMSERV being loaded twice are obviously then reduced considerably. Which is what I do. I control as much as possible what gets loaded in what order and it can make a significant difference for system behaviour. "Lockdown2000 junk" --- tracer...uhummm. OK, some people like ports to be completely stealthed. And some like to have their ports watched for one reason or another. Lockdown does open and listen to many ports unlike a Firewall, granted, and this does affect TCP/IP memory if you're listening to too many at once. OK, but I have generally found this not to be a problem when using Lockdown. Check the websites, it was reviewed and tested in many places, it doesnt do what it claims it does. Unless they changed it a lot... Yes, these kind of programs have been called 'hacker catchers' and often have a reputation of unfairly 'baiting' attackers or even putting yourself at risk. If you are somewhere referring to Steve Gibson's opinions that these apps are 'junk' (to also quote him) and that they are 'Evil Port Monitors'(as he says) then I think that is a bit OTT and designed only to create dependency on one persons opinions which suits his purpose, obviously. Nope, I use them as well. If I really get pestered by an insisting hacker he will end up learning its not smart... I use my Firewall to have complete system stealth at other times. I think to say
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, tracer posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: t I think my number of systems is a bit larger... Well I was actually referring to my home/office Network actually, not my customer base. t I see thousands per year... !-- don extended codpiece We may be in a different line of work? What exactly is yours? I get about 15 callouts a day (not much to you I know) from my locally based completely trusting customers who love me and my children, and my pets to bits. - overkill? 75% of them are usually quickly sorted out over the phone. So, if I do the maths, hang on...and get a mean average...wait...that works out t..too.. Well it's probably over 6000 callouts a year I expect ;-) This is obviously small fry to you I know being that I'm not a multinational business turning over millions of pounds every year, but heh, I do just make a living and some of my customers do actually phone me back ;-) //-- un-don extended codpiece. t In addition if you talk about your own system, likely you do things t in a way causing you the least problems. Yes, I was talking about my own system. t I havent got that luxury as most systems are outside my control. Personally I would not want anything to do with any of my customers' systems until they called me out - I have stable blood pressure at the moment. It certainly would be no luxury if they were inside my control ;-) Most of them would worry me into an early grave if I spent enough time thinking about some of the things they get up to. Sidetrack: A customer (a male in his late 40s), admittedly not too bright, was convinced that the PC I had built him wasn't making the same noise as when he first got it from me, so took to banging the top and side of his PC which, according to him (I found out later), made it sound right after a couple of whacks. One day he phoned me to say that his computer would not bootup. When I went around to see him, he said that the PC had been playing up for a while. On investigating, I found a completely knackered hard disk. After I had installed a replacement, I noticed the CPU fan rattling a bit when booting so I swapped it out there an then. As I was doing that, the chap said "..that was the noise it was making before. I knew there was something wrong. When I banged it the noise stopped!" I did then explain why I was charging him for the new hard drive. t So if it is running and not causing problems and it isnt critical I am t not going to upgrade a customer. I never give loaded guns to my customers. They will blow their own heads off in most cases. t Too much chance I end up wasting hours on a system due to something t else dying! Free of charge obviously if I mess it up! t PLUS complaints. When I first started out I got suckered regularly by a few lovely customers who made me endless cups of tea whilst I wasted endless hours of my time reinstalling software for them that they had spent only moments screwing up. Generally, these types blamed the problem on the computer that I had built them so that I would do the work for free. I became wise, quickly. I have mostly steered clear of software related problems as it doesn't really pay the bills. Often, a reinstall of Windows and all software is a lot quicker than tracking down and repairing odd registry errors and corrupted installations. Software that I recommend is often running on my PC for around 2 months before I mention it to anyone. But my advice to them is still to always back up their software before installing anything, and remind them that there is no support with such gifts. Nowadays, MOST of my customers seem to understand. The ones that don't just don't get software from me! t I have seen bug upgrades installed after which for example some silly t game lost sound. t I know you arent interested in a disney Winny the Pooh game making t sound or not but tell that to the customer... I refer the right honorable gentleman to my previous reply. t Especially after charging him for the download and upgrade! t He gets home and no more sound in that game. t Daughter complains, next day he is back. I don't ever charge for necessary updates. t As far as I am concerned only if the user is in danger if he doesnt. t I make sure they run a decent firewall, a decent antivirus tool and t try to get them away from any MS related stuff as Outlook/Outlook t express. t It isnt even that difficult by telling them about the many virus t attacks on that stuff and that they can loose all their email... Advise them sure, but at the end of the day they surf at their own peril just like you and me. You must either have a lot of time or you are a VERY decent person, because I just can't get that involved. Too time consuming. t If they really want the latest version of windows in most cases all t they have to do is walk to the nearest computer t software place and get themselves a copy. Yes. t No problem with it. My At guard loads at startup. It never
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:14:13 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Friday, March 10, 2000, 10:14:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Tracer kindly and unselfishly helped me retrieve a good part of my email out of Calypso. Also, since the fools at Calypso blamed my windows and insisted that I install each and every upgrade ever devised, many of which undo or conflict with previous upgrades (and no effort was made on their part to distinguish), that issue was discussed in some depth also. I consider him to be both knowledgeable and a friend. Douglas, I know but I think its all based on misunderstanding and different circumstances. You like me sit in a remote place where if things go wrong the nearest civilised technical place is 800km or more away... Or it takes weeks to get something replaced. The result is one tends to keep things simple, use things which are KNOWN to work especially if all the system owners can do whatever they want to plant problems in their various systems. If I upgrade them and it goes wrong... I end up fixing it free of charge. And I have seen quite a few systems messed up by the MS updates. So if they arent urgently needed I donot use them. Zone Alarm is good but not for the way I access the internet. And yes, I likely will use it for customers systems in the near future, if it helps them and not causes me any problems in support... I am testing it at present for the last week or so. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: NT Genesis (was Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze)
Hi Syafril, On 09 March 2000 at 09:23:23 GMT +0700 (which was 02:23 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Now I wonder if someone will ask what NT has to do with VMS (g) AM OK. The man (I forgot his name) who designed NT had a lot to do AM with VMS development as well, and because of this the design of AM both OS's share striking similarities? :) (See Jay Levine's reply to this thread - he is correct). SH As far as I can remember, NT under DEC alpha very stable and run SH more faster than on Intel base (especially if RAM 64 MB or above). SH I have 2 customer who use DEC alpha 400 with NT4, running 24x7 SH since December 1996; the system down only if electricity drop SH longer than UPS backup time. ... but don't use it as a workstation! The Alpha NT back end server worked very well indeed, but the GUI was pitifully slow. That may have been why M$ withdrew support. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: NT Genesis (was Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze)
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, Responding to your article on Thursday, March 09, 2000 at 09:39:09 GMT + (which was 09/03/2000 16:39 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : SH As far as I can remember, NT under DEC alpha very stable and run SH more faster than on Intel base (especially if RAM 64 MB or above). SH I have 2 customer who use DEC alpha 400 with NT4, running 24x7 SH since December 1996; the system down only if electricity drop SH longer than UPS backup time. MDP ... but don't use it as a workstation! The Alpha NT back end server MDP worked very well indeed, but the GUI was pitifully slow. That may MDP have been why M$ withdrew support. Alpha as Workstation ? Wow...very very slow ... I agree with you here :-). -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Created : Thursday, March 09, 2000, 17:35:40 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hi Douglas, On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:43:02 -0600GMT (10/03/2000, 09:43 +0800GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: DH Clue? You mean an anti-virus application? I have at guard installed DH but it's usually disabled. Now that's pretty fatalistic. Just today I got the old Pretty Park virus again in an email. I suggest you leave your AV protection up and running - and updated. ;-) DH this happens when resources are low and the screen redraws very DH slowly. Often shutting down TB! helps postpone my rebooting a bit, DH if I delete the .tmp before reopening it. There was a problem with TB leaving all sorts of garbage in the tmp directory, but I think that's been solved. My tmp is empty now when I close TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:09:26 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 08, 2000, 10:09:26 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Hello tracer, On Tuesday, March 07, 2000 at 07:32:48 GMT +0700 (which was 4:32 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Openning another program while The Bat is opening will kill my system. Sure... Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then nothing helps except a restart It is very annoying, especially since I don't remember TB doing this in the past, only with 1.39 and above. Is there any Windows 98SE setting that can prevent another application from opening while TB starts up? As far as I know there is no way to force a program to start and preventing anything else to start while thats happening. Unless you run them in a dos box using startw Is the same problem exisiting under NT4 or windows 2000? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:40:41 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 08, 2000, 1:40:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Hello tracer all fellow TBUDL members, Tuesday, March 07, 2000, 6:32:48 PM, tracer wrote: t Openning another program while The Bat is opening will kill my t system. Sure... Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then t nothing helps except a restart I just shut it down TB! 1.39 and while it reopened, I opened EccoPro with no problems, under an early Win95. Is the version of windows likely to figure in this problem? possible and the best time to hang it is to open something while the postbat is visible... Douglas Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:11:09 + GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 08, 2000, 5:11:09 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: How-do-you-do, Douglas Hinds posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: DH Is the version of windows likely to figure in this problem? May very well be, but there again... I am running TB! on Windows 98 SE 4.10 A. What about the rest of you? same Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Listmembers, On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 at 10:11:09 [GMT +] Simon wrote: I am running TB! on Windows 98 SE 4.10 A. What about the rest of you? I never had Win98 on one of my systems after I installed it once at customer's site. Concerning Win NT4 - W2000 Pro, TB never caused any problems with dial-out or starting another app when TB loads... I suspect Win98 to be responsible for nearly _every_ misbehavior :-) Regards Dieter |Running TheBat! 1.41 Beta/5a [2E7F60DA] on | |Windows NT v4 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 | -- Registering The Bat! [German]: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=BatReg http://www.register-me.de/the_bat/register.html Support/Info [German]: http://come.to/thebat Dieter Hummel FRA/GER 65931EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xD93DC23F -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hi tracer, On 08 March 2000 at 17:21:39 GMT +0700 (which was 10:21 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Openning another program while The Bat is opening will kill my system. Sure... Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then nothing helps except a restart It is very annoying, especially since I don't remember TB doing this in the past, only with 1.39 and above. Is there any Windows 98SE setting that can prevent another application from opening while TB starts up? t As far as I know there is no way to force a program to start and t preventing anything else to start while thats happening. t Unless you run them in a dos box using startw This is what I do, having a shortcut to "startup.bat" in my startup folder. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hi Simon, On 08 March 2000 at 12:01:51 GMT + (which was 12:01 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: S Of course, you could always load Windows, then TB! and leave S running 24/7/365, ad infinitum... Sadly, windoze won't do that reliably :-(((. It needs a reboot at least three times weekly to remain stable. S (which will be possible soon here in UK with latest news of FREE S unmetered access from April 17th...about time n'all) I've been noticing stuff about that recently - please can you drop me a note with some reference details *off-list*. TIA -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Tuesday, March 07, 2000 you wrote: How-do-you-do, How do you do! I have noticed that TB! very occasionally seems to freeze with Windows when I launch it just as I make a connection to the Net. It is always just as TB! launches at the same time the connection is opened. If I wait 3 secs (after ICMP UDP packets finish broadcasting) I do not seem to get a problem. If I forget however, and manually launch TB! to quickly, TB! takes Windows into cold storage with it. Anyone had this problem? Oh sure :). My suspicion is that it has something to do with compression of the file, however I'm not sure. I feel that it was a bit better in 1.39 and is again a bit worse in 1.41 betas. Anyway, just remember not to run anything after TB is launched (till at least parts of its window appear). Regards, -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
"Marck D. Pearlstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S Of course, you could always load Windows, then TB! and leave S running 24/7/365, ad infinitum... Sadly, windoze won't do that reliably :-(((. It needs a reboot at least three times weekly to remain stable. True of Win9x, but not of NT4 WS or Win2K Professional. The Bat! is also very stable under NT in my experience. (I've got a Dell Inspiron 7000 running Win2K that is permanently connected to the Internet by a wireless link, and it stays up all day and night. Interestingly, the Inspiron 7000 is not even on the approved hardware list for Win2K.) -- John De Hoog, Tokyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Japanese email software: http://dehoog.org/html/j-email.html -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hi John, On 08 March 2000 at 08:23:37 GMT +0900 (which was 23:23 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Of course, you could always load Windows, then TB! and leave running 24/7/365, ad infinitum... Sadly, windoze won't do that reliably :-(((. It needs a reboot at least three times weekly to remain stable. JDH True of Win9x, but not of NT4 WS or Win2K Professional. The Bat! is also JDH very stable under NT in my experience. Sadly that does not concur with my experience of NT, which does outlast Win9x in the stay-alive stakes by a factor of 5-10 times. I can't vouch for Win2k but the M$ track record does not bode well for it. I could give a history lesson of the genesis of WNT (VMS+1) and how many bugs were added with each version but won't bore the members. (The above is very much the tongue-in-cheek of a die hard cynic and should not necessarily be taken as any kind of professional opinion). JDH (I've got a Dell Inspiron 7000 running Win2K that is permanently JDH connected to the Internet by a wireless link, and it stays up all JDH day and night. Interestingly, the Inspiron 7000 is not even on JDH the approved hardware list for Win2K.) Interesting. I run a 3200 myself as my main workstation - but need 9x on it to run my music studio software and maintain compatibility with my clients' workstations. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:50:24 +0700, tracer wrote: Now I wonder if someone will ask what NT has to do with VMS (g) OK. The man (I forgot his name) who designed NT had a lot to do with VMS development as well, and because of this the design of both OS's share striking similarities? :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT5 (Build 2195 ) --- ** Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Allie Martin, Responding to your article on Thursday, March 09, 2000 at 20:55:17 GMT -0500 (which was 09/03/2000 8:55 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : Now I wonder if someone will ask what NT has to do with VMS (g) AM OK. The man (I forgot his name) who designed NT had a lot to do with AM VMS development as well, and because of this the design of both OS's AM share striking similarities? :) As far as I can remember, NT under DEC alpha very stable and run more faster than on Intel base (especially if RAM 64 MB or above). I have 2 customer who use DEC alpha 400 with NT4, running 24x7 since December 1996; the system down only if electricity drop longer than UPS backup time. -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Created : Thursday, March 09, 2000, 9:17:00 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, March 07, 2000, 4:15:52 PM, you wrote: S How-do-you-do, S I have noticed that TB! very occasionally seems to freeze with Windows when S I launch it just as I make a connection to the Net. It is always just as TB! S launches at the same time the connection is opened. If I wait 3 secs (after S ICMP UDP packets finish broadcasting) I do not seem to get a problem. If I S forget however, and manually launch TB! to quickly, TB! takes Windows into S cold storage with it. Anyone had this problem? S Slán anois, S Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S Usin' TB! v1.41 B/5 registered S !-- hide from brain dead browsers S Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! S (Man is quite insane. He cannot create a maggot, and he creates Gods by the dozen) S MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 S //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers Yes, I noticed this also. -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Simon, On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:15:52 + GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 08, 2000, 4:15:52 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Simon wrote: How-do-you-do, I have noticed that TB! very occasionally seems to freeze with Windows when I launch it just as I make a connection to the Net. It is always just as TB! launches at the same time the connection is opened. If I wait 3 secs (after ICMP UDP packets finish broadcasting) I do not seem to get a problem. If I forget however, and manually launch TB! to quickly, TB! takes Windows into cold storage with it. Anyone had this problem? Openning another program while The Bat is opening will kill my system. Sure... Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then nothing helps except a restart Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/5 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello tracer, On Tuesday, March 07, 2000 at 07:32:48 GMT +0700 (which was 4:32 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Openning another program while The Bat is opening will kill my system. Sure... Its easy to do as well or to forget it and then nothing helps except a restart It is very annoying, especially since I don't remember TB doing this in the past, only with 1.39 and above. Is there any Windows 98SE setting that can prevent another application from opening while TB starts up? -- Thanks for writing Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
