Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Michael, On 03 September 2004, 09:22 -0700 (03/09/200417:22 local time) Michael L. Wilson [MLW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB>> Yes, but only from a marketing point of view. RITLabs seems to have MB>> embarked on a new marketing push, to get TB! more widely known. MLW> I have no problem with true, honest marketing. I wish RitLabs would MLW> try that. Recent behavior is "bait-and-switch" which is illegal in MLW> the USA. MLW> Marketing is when you use techniques to entice people to investigate MLW> and try product, then hopefully buy it. MLW> Another point. It has been shown that if 1 person is dissatisfied MLW> with your product or company, they will tell 16 people. If a person MLW> loves and uses your product, they will tell 2 people. Therefore MLW> customer satisfaction is the highest priority in any marketing MLW> campaign. I think the recent surge of messages on these lists is attributable to group hysteria. No one has coerced me to buy Version 3.0. I made a decision on merit and I'm very pleased with the outcome. Upgrading has cost less than a round of drinks and saved me countless hours already. It's true, Ritlabs could communicate more effectively... but we knew that already so there's really no need to rant on about it day after day. What's more, I'd have been none-the-wiser if I didn't frequent these lists; I'd first learn about Version 3.0 from that message Ritlabs sent out. And I get these all the time... Acronis, O&O, TuneUp Utilities, Handy Backup etc. In fact, I'd be more concerned if new versions didn't come around very often. -- Best regards, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 Quote of the day: "What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" ST MATTHEW 16:26 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Michael! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 11:22 AM, you wrote: MB>> ... RITLabs seems to have embarked on a new marketing push, to MB>> get TB! more widely known. MLW> I have no problem with true, honest marketing. I wish RitLabs MLW> would try that. ... I think a lot of advice has been sent them lately, both on TB! lists and by private mail. I know it's not the general point of view, but I really do feel that I've been getting my money's worth. I'm inclined, speaking only for myself, to forgive their mistakes. I still have a really good e-mail client which meets my needs, and that's the most important part of recent events to me. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Mary, On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Mary mused about "The Bat! v. 3.0" (at least in part): MB> Yes, but only from a marketing point of view. RITLabs seems to have MB> embarked on a new marketing push, to get TB! more widely known. I have no problem with true, honest marketing. I wish RitLabs would try that. Recent behavior is "bait-and-switch" which is illegal in the USA. Marketing is when you use techniques to entice people to investigate and try product, then hopefully buy it. Another point. It has been shown that if 1 person is dissatisfied with your product or company, they will tell 16 people. If a person loves and uses your product, they will tell 2 people. Therefore customer satisfaction is the highest priority in any marketing campaign. -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Never let a computer know you're in a hurry. = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.00) Total Spam Emails: 40 Total Clean Emails: 16 BayesIT guessed right 99.95% of the time My email is 71.428571% spam = morning dayevening 09:19 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Allen! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 8:50 AM, you wrote: MB>> I read every message listing, as to sender, subject, and size, MB>> and do my own Selective Download, even when there are 700 mails MB>> to look at. AD> You -really- ought to look into the new filter system. Might be AD> good for development, you'd have plenty of filter creating AD> feedback-- ... Thanks for the encouragement. I'm basically a fraidy cat. However, I suppose I could safely try it, if I left all my mails on the server for a couple of days, in case of a mishap. AD> ... and with all the time you'd be saving, in the end, you'd have AD> time to fill those bug reports. ... How do you suggest I go about creating an account at Bug Traq? It seems to assume that I already have one, but I don't. AD> ... you might even have time to invent some new emoticons. :-) Oh, I mostly delegate that duty. Want to help? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Alexander! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 7:02 AM, you wrote: MB>> Everything went with great ease. My filters are working MB>> perfectly. My big screen likes the icons. I am still smitten MB>> with, and no doubt permanently in love with, The Bat! < ... > ASK> Do you feel, now that you have v3, when you compare it to the ASK> last v2 release you were using, that the version numbering of the ASK> new version is justified? Yes, but only from a marketing point of view. RITLabs seems to have embarked on a new marketing push, to get TB! more widely known. As I wrote to Miguel, I agree with him completely that v. 3.0 is still in need of work, on the new filter system and with IMAP. Additionally, a few of us are still experiencing a "jumpy" mail ticker. This really is unacceptable, given that it is one of TB!'s main unique features. And, as I said on another thread, I do wish that 9Val had time to edit the default.msl in The Bat!/Images. The reason I don't have trouble with the New Filter System is that my filters are few and simple. My main filter is in my own head, and it's the reason that the Message Dispatcher is TB!'s most important feature for me. I read every message listing, as to sender, subject, and size, and do my own Selective Download, even when there are 700 mails to look at. It's my safety net against viruses--the first one. And I delete the rare Spam there, on the server, also. I hardly ever get even one Spam a day. Had one of those with all the random words this morning, but only one. (Knock on wood. :) ) I know that I use The Bat! in an unusual, even, one might say, an eccentric manner, and that others have different needs. For instance, for business users, a dependable filter system is indispensable. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Mary Bull, 02-Sep-2004 18:32, you wrote: > Everything went with great ease. My filters are working perfectly. My > big screen likes the icons. I am still smitten with, and no doubt > permanently in love with, The Bat! May I x you a question... (not wanting to flame against Rit, just out of curiosity, maybe *my* perception is a little bit wrong, who knows...) Do you feel, now that you have v3, when you compare it to the last v2 release you were using, that the version numbering of the new version is justified? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When people are awake, they enjoy one world in common, but asleep, each roams a world of his own. -- Heraclitus Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hi, On Friday, September 3, 2004 at 11:40:21 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: >>> Filtering on filename LLM>> Does it mean that we can delete a .pif file for instance ? > I haven't tried it yet, but that's what I expect. Ok. One good point for the new V3 (now, just have to find money...). -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) http://www.lemoal.org/> ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hallo Ludovic, On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:29:52 +0200GMT (3-9-2004, 10:29 +0200, where I live), you wrote: >> Filtering on filename LLM> Does it mean that we can delete a .pif file for instance ? I haven't tried it yet, but that's what I expect. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpWzFYDNXkpl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hi, On Thursday, September 2, 2004 at 10:54:59 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: > Filtering on filename Does it mean that we can delete a .pif file for instance ? -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) http://www.lemoal.org/> ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello A.Translator! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 2:19 PM, you wrote: MB>> I've been using v. 3.0 for almost 3 hours now, and so far, I'm MB>> extremely pleased. AT> Could you tell me why? I am not trying to be ironic, just would AT> like to know why I should upgrade. Sorry to be late answering. My Internet Service Provider's connection went down right after I posted and I'm just now back on line. Things that pleased me: 1) Purchase through Element 5 was handled professionally and swiftly. 2) Download was quick and seamless. 3) Installation using MSI Wizard went quickly with no problems. 4) On launch of my new The Bat!, 20 e-mails downloaded without a hitch. 5) The Connection Centre did not hang on the download or on the e-mails I sent a little bit later and still has not behaved anything other than flawlessly. 6) The icons are perfectly sized to my screen. I had read a lot of complaints on tbbeta about them 7) All my filters went over exactly as configured to the new filter system 8) My Registration Key Block was in the first 20 mails that I downloaded. The Key was sent by the time I had the new version downloaded and installed. 9) Although the jumpy mail ticker problem isn't fixed and I still have one mailing-list folder that won't hold its configuration when I move to another folder and come back to it, the fact that there is evidence of so much good work having been done on the Sorting Office and the new filter system, and on getting IMAP useable, gives me hope that the two small things that are an annoyance to me can be fixed in a later release. Of course, as is so often said here, your mileage may vary. I'm pretty conservative about making changes--I waited months before going from v. 1.62 to v. 2.06, but I've had a good experience with those and all my subsequent upgrades. So, I'm pleased. I'm feeling lucky and well-cared-for. Thanks for asking. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hallo A.Translator, On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:24 +0200GMT (2-9-2004, 21:19 +0200, where I live), you wrote: >> I've been using v. 3.0 for almost 3 hours now, and so far, I'm >> extremely pleased. AT> Could you tell me why? AT> I am not trying to be ironic, just would like to know why I should upgrade. Filtering on filename Filtering on the (partial) contents of any header without needing to resort to regexp I don't know how often the first item has been asked for on this list and the second feature was the first I implemented. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpIEls1KQOho.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Op Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:17:20 -0500 schreef Mary Bull: > I've been using v. 3.0 for almost 3 hours now, and so far, I'm > extremely pleased. Could you tell me why? I am not trying to be ironic, just would like to know why I should upgrade. -- [using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Win XP Pro] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Jurgen, > you know I really pity the programmers, because I think they're doing a > great job, and they get kicked in their butts just as much as us users. Fully agree. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.12.00 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Jurgen! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 1:01 PM, you wrote: MB>> I do hope that in the future those making the decisions will find ways MB>> to keep the beta-testers (to whom I myself am forever grateful) better MB>> informed and happier. JH> you know I really pity the programmers, because I think they're JH> doing a great job, and they get kicked in their butts just as much JH> as us users It's apparent that all of them work very hard, and from reading tbbeta, as well as the occasional post from one of them on tbudl, I think they do their very best to communicate with the users of their work. I've been using v. 3.0 for almost 3 hours now, and so far, I'm extremely pleased. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Neal! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 12:27 PM, you wrote: NL> There was a suggestion made by Cory: NL> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> NL> that may be worth considering for RitLabs. This is the arrangement I NL> have with Sparx http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/ for there excellent NL> Enterprise Architect. They make many builds and make use of a BBS for NL> postings: NL> http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Latest NL> Might I also suggest this tool for RitLabs, too? I appreciate the thoughtful comments from you and from Cory. I really don't know much about running a business--I've always been either an employee or a customer or both. :) I do hope that in the future those making the decisions will find ways to keep the beta-testers (to whom I myself am forever grateful) better informed and happier. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Mary, on Thursday, 2. September 2004, at 11:52:07 [GMT -0500] you wrote regarding "The Bat! v. 3.0": > Thanks for your nice reply. Could you explain what "eToken" is? Should > I disable it? If so, how? eToken or Aladin is a hardware solution for encrypting in this case message databases. Alos you don't have access to TheBaT! without it. Biy the actual Thebat! Pro hasn't included jet this feature. It will be implemented soon i think. Have a look for further informations at the Ritlabs homepage , section SecureBat! ScureBat! will be called Thebat! Pro in the future. -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.0 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgplLSRKmIvVG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hi Mary and tbudl, MB> I have just now bought, downloaded, and installed The Bat! v. 3.0. MB> Among the first 20 messages that I received with it, I found my MB> RITLabs "thank-you" letter, with the registration key. I received my registration in about 20 minutes. MB> Everything went with great ease. My filters are working perfectly. My MB> big screen likes the icons. I am still smitten with, and no doubt MB> permanently in love with, The Bat! No smitten, but tied into it. MB> I chose the Professional Edition and did a "complete" install. I felt MB> safer doing that than managing a "custom" install, and I had the hard MB> drive space to spare. I "ugraded" my existing v2.13/b6 which was running in server mode without a flaw, using the "MSI" installer. MB> For the purchase, I used Element 5 and paid in euros. Found the site MB> to be secure and easy to manage, in case anyone is interested in my MB> experience there. Same here; Element 5 is fine business. And, I've kept my mouth shut through all of this. I would hope RitLabs has learned from this, but v3 has been annointed, that's the way it is and it's time for everyone to move on - to v3 or elsewhere. I haven't been active beta testing for awhile and I understand the mistreatment issue others are feeling. There was a suggestion made by Cory: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that may be worth considering for RitLabs. This is the arrangement I have with Sparx http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/ for there excellent Enterprise Architect. They make many builds and make use of a BBS for postings: http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Latest Might I also suggest this tool for RitLabs, too? -- Regards from Alaska, the land of 6 million burnt acres. Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 11:48 AM, you wrote: TM> This version will be in the future the former SecureBat!! Version. You TM> are using eToken. Thanks for your nice reply. Could you explain what "eToken" is? Should I disable it? If so, how? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v. 3.0
Hello Mary, on Thursday, 2. September 2004, at 11:32:41 [GMT -0500] you wrote regarding "The Bat! v. 3.0": > I have just now bought, downloaded, and installed The Bat! v. 3.0. > Among the first 20 messages that I received with it, I found my > RITLabs "thank-you" letter, with the registration key. congratulations. > Everything went with great ease. My filters are working perfectly. My > big screen likes the icons. I am still smitten with, and no doubt > permanently in love with, The Bat! Here also is working everything very well and no problems yet. Lets see what further testing will show. > I chose the Professional Edition and did a "complete" install. I felt This version will be in the future the former SecureBat!! Version. You are using eToken. -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.0 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgpjAQNhJ4h8V.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
