Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' MAU If the option *is* checked, the string match is carried out and MAU the messages matching the rule(s) are Ignored (in my case) and MAU moved to Inbox. Ok. It is *now* that I see what you're getting at. If you run the filter using the hotkey, the filter actions are applied irrespective of whether or not there's a successful string match, even if the 'check selected messages against this rule' is enabled. All the option affects is whether or not the message is moved. None of my current manual filters depend on this, since I've always used a string that would match all messages. It would always be an issue of whether or not I want the message to be moved or not. I don't know if a bug has appeared since I last wanted to do a string match on messages manually filtered using a hotkey. Let's see: I'll now alter one of my hotkey filters to look for a specific subject string and see if the filter is applied when using the hotkey. ... no it's not. I now select a group of messages and hit the hotkey. ... filter not applied to any of the messages since none of them have a matching string. I now change the filter string back to 'e' and location 'Kludges'. ... filter is applied to all messages that I select as expected. I can't duplicate your problem behaviour here. MAU If the option *is not* checked, string match *is not* done, *all* MAU selected messages are Ignored and *none* is moved to Inbox. Ok. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9nB+DV8nrYCsHF+IRAsWtAJ9bciQxfl3HKWcr9eOuI+R+Yg3CFACeOu4q hwWRd7s971u4gU+mSmpswaI= =R9YO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Miguel, On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:26:15 +0200 GMT (03/10/02, 13:26 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Finally some one who understand me! Do you want to marry me? ;-) Is that now allowed in Spain as well? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Miguel, @2-Oct-2002, 09:10 +0200 (08:10 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MAU ... if I Re-Filter my TBUDL folder the messages that match the MAU Ignore rules *are* moved to Inbox. However, if I execute my MAU Ignore filter with the keyboard shortcut on one or more MAU messages in TBUDL folder, the messages *are not* moved to MAU Inbox. MAU Are you saying this is WAD? No. I think that there are anomalies in the re-filter logic. I too have often cursed the dumping of vast swathes of messages to the inbox during a re-filter. I try to avoid a re-filter unless absolutely necessary. If I'm trying to make a specific filter do a specific job, I rend to add it as a temporary filter at the top of the list before re-filtering. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9msuIOeQkq5KdzaARArWzAJ9aXb8P6yblJlH8tiWlp9cawIVngQCg14ND 8+vyIzKZml3d8tp0mhS6SjE= =pbPw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Miguel, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200 GMT (02/10/02, 14:10 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Now, if I Re-Filter my TBUDL folder the messages that match the MAU Ignore rules *are* moved to Inbox. However, if I execute my MAU Ignore filter with the keyboard shortcut on one or more messages MAU in TBUDL folder, the messages *are not* moved to Inbox. MAU Are you saying this is WAD? I don't know what is WAD, but I'd say it is inconsistent at least. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Salmon day: Swimming upstream all day to get screwed in the end. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, at 02:15:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 9:15:28 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: JS IOW, if you leave it alone, TB never moves the message at all. JS But if you actively configure it to move the message to the JS inbox, then it actually does? Manually invoked filters that check against rules will move a message from a folder to the Inbox. So that's one circumstance under which a No move filter does move. So, yes, exceptions can be induced. Actually, I meant _manually re-configured_ but I think you may have answered the question anyway. More importantly though, I've found that this oddity / feature is kind of a bonus when considering my original intent which was basically to be made more aware of threads I'm interested in. I have a safe copy with the same formatting intended sent to the proper folder and a hey look at me copy in the Inbox. Clutter? Not at all since I now know I can delete the ones in the Inbox at will and refer to the entire thread in the proper folder when necessary. Granted, I could set a highlight, flag, and copy filter instead to achieve the same. But it's a nice little discovery just the same. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' MAU In my specific case, my incoming Ignore filter (almost the same MAU that your Watch one) is set for Inbox-Inbox. It works normally MAU for incoming messages and it is my Tbudl filter the one that MAU moves messages to TBUDL folder. Now, if I Re-Filter my TBUDL MAU folder the messages that match the Ignore rules *are* moved to MAU Inbox. However, if I execute my Ignore filter with the keyboard MAU shortcut on one or more messages in TBUDL folder, the messages MAU *are not* moved to Inbox. This is possible if you don't have the option 'check the selected message against this rule' enabled for the hotkey. If you have the option enabled then the message is checked for a string match and moved to the destination folder. With the option disabled the first two pages of filter setup is basically ignored so no string matching is carried out, nor is the message moved. Only the filter actions are carried out. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9mthWV8nrYCsHF+IRArsMAKCoz9h/yz/+ODtQ7dmzgks4z4PwZQCfZ/9J 6nX7UQR5JQd2p2u090oxAdI= =TS36 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' With the option disabled the first two pages of filter setup is basically ignored so no string matching is carried out, nor is the message moved. Only the filter actions are carried out. MAU Oh darn! That's dangerous then! Well, no. Not if you understand how it works and then let it do what you need. Take for instance, the filters that I recently created to make editing a received message easy, even though you're exporting the message and then re-importing it. The first of the two filters needs to work on *any* message you wish it to. You therefore don't require a string match. You also don't wish the message to be moved to another folder, so you don't need the move to folder functionality. You can therefore disable the hotkey option to check the message against the filter rule. In contrast to this, I have a filter here that will generate a report that is sent to SpamCop. I also wish the message to be moved to my spam folder, if it's not already there. In this case, I wish the message to be moved when I run the filter using the hotkey. I therefore enabled the option to check the message against the filter rule. I am therefore happy that the option exists since you can use it to prevent or promote movement of messages upon filtering as you need. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9m0xQV8nrYCsHF+IRAhyQAKC99vyCRbob3B/gZPS1GnBda7dMJwCg8luf S72UdtdQeCl0wHcL9/Hwqc0= =mgkt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' MAU But that is where I see the danger, if I want to prevent the MAU movement I take the risk of applying the actions to messages MAU that don't match the rules. You select the messages to apply the action to and then hit the hotkey. The filter actions are applied to selected messages as the reply, delete or any other command. I don't see the risk or danger involved unless you really aren't sure of what the filter is setup to do. If I'm missing something, would you explain further. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9m2gwV8nrYCsHF+IRAiPfAJ9h6DxSvVWjw7v58JZ/ZDF6fmmgvgCgtyO6 Ddrc/GXe9VNYklB/KOpSAKg= =wCd+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' MAU OK, let's take my Ignore filter. I have a number of subjects MAU and/or MIDs in the Alternatives. If I make a mistake when MAU selecting messages they will be Ignored even if they don't MAU match any of the subjects or MIDs. Say you wish to delete some messages. What happens if you make a mistake and select the wrong messages to delete? They will be deleted. You'll have to restore them from the trash folder. In the same way, if you've inadvertently marked messages as ignored, then select those messages and then change back the colour group to what it was before. The string matching can be done if you are: a) filtering incoming messages. In this instance the hotkey options are ignored and the string match is carried out. b) reapplying the filter using the re-apply filters option. String matching is done. It's only when you use the hotkey that a string match isn't carried out with the option, 'check selected messages against this rule', enabled. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9m3t2V8nrYCsHF+IRAkR5AKCFY6/p/DcLGNxJudIArThSlcVQEACfYeIb YEJiSDEqvXFgSfELUxNuatw= =i88H -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Allie, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:42:10 -0500 GMT (03/10/02, 04:42 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: ACM You select the messages to apply the action to and then hit the ACM hotkey. The filter actions are applied to selected messages as the ACM reply, delete or any other command. I don't see the risk or danger ACM involved unless you really aren't sure of what the filter is setup ACM to do. If I'm missing something, would you explain further. I think the point Miguel is trying to make here is that filters behave differently depending on how they are triggered. That is inconsistent to the degree of being dangerous. I see absolutely no sense in it, and I would think that the word bug is not completely unrelated. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I bought a portable cable tv. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas F. [TF] wrote:' TF I think the point Miguel is trying to make here is that filters TF behave differently depending on how they are triggered. That is TF inconsistent to the degree of being dangerous. I see absolutely TF no sense in it, and I would think that the word bug is not TF completely unrelated. I see no bugginess here and see perfect sense is what is being achieved through the various options. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9m9aOV8nrYCsHF+IRAjc0AKDZk4KSRznt3CiyP+TSpYlzSO5dQQCg+nd4 tEO5EoC0CScvFbOVT+uKJ1w= =fu11 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Miguel, On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, at 19:16:49 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:16:49 PM in NY, USA) Miguel A. Urech wrote: OK, I found what it was. What I did originally was neglect to set the folder to Inbox...instead it was set to TBDUL. So each time I used the hotkey combo on any thread already here, the thread would move to TBDUL plus the other actions I had set. I assumed that the same would occur when the move to folder was set correctly as Inbox, but I was mistaken. Why, I don't understand, but as long as the move to folder is the Inbox, they don't move at all regardless of what folder you're working in. Hope I didn't confuse anyone. Thanks for keeping me in check Marck. Like you, I don't understand why they are not moved. That is what I find odd. A bug perhaps? A _useful_ bug? I didn't want to mention this until I had some time to look at it more closely but... While the use of my specified HotKey combo no longer moves the selected messages (as long as the Move to...folder is set to Inbox, that is) the filter itself _is_ _copying_ incoming messages back to the Inbox eventhough A) The Watch filter is set to continue processing other filters and B) My TBDUL filter is still active and correctly set to move applicable messages to the TBDUL folder and C) My Watch filter resides above the TBDUL filter. I don't get it. If anything were to go wrong, I'd expect incoming messages to be moved to the inbox rather than copied there. I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that one of my 'Actions' is to park the message...if you have a rule set to move a message that's parked, it copies it. But I do not understand why the move command is ignored unless it is parked. More when I get time. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Miguel, @1-Oct-2002, 19:16 +0200 (18:16 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MAU Like you, I don't understand why they are not moved. That is MAU what I find odd. A bug perhaps? A _useful_ bug? No, an intended feature. It has always been so and designed to be so, that when the source and destination folders of a filter are the same then a message is not moved. I remember in the early days of this list (a couple or more years back) asking the question - how do I make a filter that doesn't move a message and got back the answer make the source and destination folders the same from RITlabs. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9mipiOeQkq5KdzaARAj/7AKCBo0BtlMb2aPMWJyZw6ScLOHk1BACePS5d GLjbcEMrfEYkboTVAnyU6y4= =I3px -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, at 00:06:08 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:06:08 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MAU Like you, I don't understand why they are not moved. That is MAU what I find odd. A bug perhaps? A _useful_ bug? No, an intended feature. It has always been so and designed to be so, that when the source and destination folders of a filter are the same then a message is not moved. Assuming you mean in practice rather than just in theory, is it conceivable that if you _initially_ have a filter set to move messages to another folder and _then_ change it to move to the inbox that said intended feature is broken? IOW, if you leave it alone, TB never moves the message at all. But if you actively configure it to move the message to the inbox, then it actually does? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi James, @1-Oct-2002, 21:03 -0400 (02:03 UK time) James Senick [JS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... when the source and destination folders of a filter are the same then a message is not moved. JS Assuming you mean in practice rather than just in theory, is it JS conceivable that if you _initially_ have a filter set to move JS messages to another folder and _then_ change it to move to the JS inbox that said intended feature is broken? It's conceivable I guess, yes. JS IOW, if you leave it alone, TB never moves the message at all. JS But if you actively configure it to move the message to the JS inbox, then it actually does? Manually invoked filters that check against rules will move a message from a folder to the Inbox. So that's one circumstance under which a No move filter does move. So, yes, exceptions can be induced. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9mkiyOeQkq5KdzaARAmtyAJ9w4CAgwZFajvr6MD12K9sCTQdaOwCfaTKn rs2woZFNbIn8J0ZL5s+J/4A= =YyyI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 04:00:02 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:00:02 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: You are. The watch filter works on the Inbox. It highlights any mail you are currently watching, moving it to the Inbox (i.e. not moving it at all). The mail is then filtered to ... wherever it wants to be by the subsequent filters. This is acceptable provided that one _only_ wants to have this filter replied on future incoming mail. IOW, if you wanted to set a hotkey to apply this filter to already 'in-house' threads / messages, they'd be moved back to the inbox from the folder you were browsing. In this case, only a re-filter would do...that is, unless you were to have that filter park messages as part of the action set. BTW, Marck. I have a need for a certain filter that's driving me batty :) Can I write you direct to see if I'm on the right track? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi James, @30-Sep-2002, 07:24 -0400 (12:24 UK time) James Senick [JS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You are. The watch filter works on the Inbox. It highlights any mail you are currently watching, moving it to the Inbox (i.e. not moving it at all). The mail is then filtered to ... wherever it wants to be by the subsequent filters. JS ... if you wanted to set a hotkey to apply this filter to JS already 'in-house' threads / messages, they'd be moved back to JS the inbox from the folder you were browsing. Not necessarily. I just added Ctrl-Alt-W as the hotkey for the filter and left the Check the selected message against this rule unchecked. It works perfectly, applying the watched thread colour but leaving the message in place. JS BTW, Marck. I have a need for a certain filter that's driving JS me batty :) Can I write you direct to see if I'm on the right JS track? Sure - go for it ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9mDjbOeQkq5KdzaARAhLmAJ9WjuzwbBscN08arAmDgFd1U7Xc+gCgsuMH Hhd8AbmIhoHrLjPUpBizdpk= =acAz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 12:43:21 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:43:21 AM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: JS ... if you wanted to set a hotkey to apply this filter to JS already 'in-house' threads / messages, they'd be moved back to JS the inbox from the folder you were browsing. Not necessarily. I just added Ctrl-Alt-W as the hotkey for the filter and left the Check the selected message against this rule unchecked. It works perfectly, applying the watched thread colour but leaving the message in place. That's odd. Mine moved them. I'll test again in a bit. I must have left something out. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 08:09:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 8:09:46 AM in NY, USA) James Senick wrote: Not necessarily. I just added Ctrl-Alt-W as the hotkey for the filter and left the Check the selected message against this rule unchecked. It works perfectly, applying the watched thread colour but leaving the message in place. That's odd. Mine moved them. I'll test again in a bit. I must have left something out. OK, I found what it was. What I did originally was neglect to set the folder to Inbox...instead it was set to TBDUL. So each time I used the hotkey combo on any thread already here, the thread would move to TBDUL plus the other actions I had set. I assumed that the same would occur when the move to folder was set correctly as Inbox, but I was mistaken. Why, I don't understand, but as long as the move to folder is the Inbox, they don't move at all regardless of what folder you're working in. Hope I didn't confuse anyone. Thanks for keeping me in check Marck. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, @30-Sep-2002, 11:19 -0400 (16:19 UK time) Peter Kerekes [PK] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PK Can I apply somehow for all past messages in a tread PK simultaneously? Er ... mark the messages in the thread, right click, navigate to Colour group and set it? With all of this automation, we sometimes forget where we started :-). I would add that my own watch thread colour is for unread messages only, so that they stand out in the ticker. Once I've read them, I don't really care that much any more. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9mHj1OeQkq5KdzaARAq5aAKCmha/ZojnbV/TH9JrkA/i+FU5k6wCdFORz oFXxxxYTnv/ucZRbmkIBK8E= =bIQS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello James! On Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 6:52:34 PM you wrote: Is this worth pursuing to anyone else? There is a difference in handling e-mail and news - XNews and Agent are both (AFAIK) off-line newsreaders. E-mails are usually transferred from the server to your machine to do the necessary work on them. With news you only load down those messages you are interested in; the Watch Thread feature therefore automates this for you. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Everybody loves a winner, but when you lose, you lose alone. (William Bell) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hi James, On Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:52 your local time, (22:37 my local time), you [JS] wrote: JS New wish list item for consideration...or is it necessary? I JS really miss an old Watch Thread feature that I think I came JS across first in XNews. IMO, RITLabs should consider improving TB! in areas like these, instead of more market oriented functionality like the ability to compose HTML messages. Regarding 'Watch Thread', yes it's a valuable feature but I would consider 'Ignore Thread' more important. JS I'd be happy with just a predefined color group, highlighting JS those messages. A filter won't do since one would have to create JS conceivably hundreds over the course of time. At the moment, I have a filter setup to play a sound and highlight messages that are replied to me. -- be well, Sudip Pokhrel |/\ PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185| X Against HTML E-mail ! http://pgpkeys.mit.edu|/ \ ___ How do I set my laser printer on stun? ___ TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hi Dierk! In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday, September 29, 2002, 12:23:27 PM, you wrote: DH On Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 6:52:34 PM you wrote: Is this worth pursuing to anyone else? DH There is a difference in handling e-mail and news - XNews and Agent DH are both (AFAIK) off-line newsreaders. E-mails are usually DH transferred from the server to your machine to do the necessary work DH on them. With news you only load down those messages you are DH interested in; the Watch Thread feature therefore automates this for DH you. Methinks you're missing the point. Mark Thread means you're interested in the subject and want it highlighted or something so that you can read it first, before any other email. I agree with James, it might be interesting. James, just create a rule that applies a color. It shouldn't take tooo long to create a rule, if you're accustomed to doing it. -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Scott! On Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 7:31:57 PM you wrote: Methinks you're missing the point. Mark Thread Sorry if I did. As I understood it, James wanted what XNews and Agent offer, not mere colouring ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Tritt jemand anderen nicht auf die Füße, so steht er sich selbst im Weg. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Dierk, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 19:23:27 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:23:27 PM in NY, USA) Dierk Haasis wrote: Hello James! On Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 6:52:34 PM you wrote: Is this worth pursuing to anyone else? There is a difference in handling e-mail and news - XNews and Agent are both (AFAIK) off-line newsreaders. E-mails are usually transferred from the server to your machine to do the necessary work on them. With news you only load down those messages you are interested in; the Watch Thread feature therefore automates this for you. I understand the differences between the applications. However, that is not the point nor does it prohibit mail clients from achieving the same regardless of how messages are transferred or stored. Quick example...since I am involved in this thread, I'd like every future reply to it or any threads spawned from it to be highlighted automatically. The purpose is to get right to where I left off when I return later and having this thread stand out amongst the rest. Important to note, such a feature should be able to toggle highlighting off for the thread as a whole..none of this one message at a time nonsense. Perhaps I was incorrect in my terminology, but I believe the 'Watch Thread' command I was referring to simply highlighted future additions to the thread...not singling them out for download against the rest. But I was mistaken also about XNews. In XNews, I used 'scoring' to achieve similar organization. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Scott, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 12:31:57 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:31:57 PM in NY, USA) Scott McNay wrote: Methinks you're missing the point. Mark Thread means you're interested in the subject and want it highlighted or something so that you can read it first, before any other email. I agree with James, it might be interesting. Correct. I want to mark a thread or topic as watched or important so that every response to that thread takes visual precedence over others. James, just create a rule that applies a color. It shouldn't take tooo long to create a rule, if you're accustomed to doing it. If you're referring to a filter...I don't want to move the message nor create hundreds of filters over time regardless of how easy it is. Plus any filter solution (at least any I have thought of) would leave out the important need to un-watch an entire thread. If I misunderstood, please let me know. And before anyone suggests it, marking a thread after the fact does not cut it. To be useful, it would have to mark _future_ replies to the thread as the come in. Not to drag this out too much...but I would have been more than happy with just parking a whole thread provided that every **future reply to that thread were automatically parked** without intervention. Currently, I repeatedly park threads I am watching each time I come across them. I unpark the thread when I lose interest or the thread dies. IOW, I am using the park thread feature as a glorified flag. Hopefully that clarifies my purpose a bit. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
On Sunday, September 29, 2002, James Senick wrote: J Hello Batters, J New wish list item for consideration...or is it necessary? I J really miss an old Watch Thread feature that I think I came J across first in XNews. The Watch Thread feature has been in news readers long pre-dating XNews. J For lists, I'd really like to be able to highlight incoming messages J of a thread interesting or important to me. It's been expressed many times on the list that people essentially want to bring the functionality of news readers to mailing lists. Outwardly, the newsgroups and mailing lists are very similar, but the guts of how news and email work are very different, making it not a trivial task to add some of a news readers functionality to a mailer. Nevertheless, I expect we will see such functionality added to mailers in the near future. Whether it appears in the TB, I think might depend on whether RIT Labs decides to add or incorporate a news reader. J Perhaps some would like the option to have a sound alert or pop-up J notification when a new message to a 'watched' thread was received. I imagine some would like the option and some would like it only if it is optional. J I'd be happy with just a predefined color group, highlighting those J messages. As you mention in another message, what you're thinking of is scoring, not watching. A simple highlighting or flagging would be doable if TB could keep a setting for thread - for example, a mark thread flagged option would flag incoming as well existing messages in the thread. However, I've seen news readers - which are designed to handle such processing - have trouble with consistently applying thread settings to new messages in a thread, so I'd guess its not as easy to do as it might seem. -- Paula The Bat! 1.61 (reg) Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello pmf, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 15:34:49 [GMT -0400] (which was 3:34:49 PM in NY, USA) pmf wrote: J New wish list item for consideration...or is it necessary? I J really miss an old Watch Thread feature that I think I came J across first in XNews. The Watch Thread feature has been in news readers long pre-dating XNews. To clarify, I said I came across it first, not that XNews featured it first. I too have used a good many newsreaders in the past. While I don't consider it a newsreader per se, it may have been OE in which I first saw the watch thread option. It could have been Agent or Gravity. The reason I mentioned XNews at all was to give an example of what I was after. Had I known that people would think I didn't know the difference between a newsreader and a mail client, I wouldn't have did so. My fault...I mistakenly used the term Watch Thread which at least Agent uses to selectively download future messages that belong to a thread of interest. Was it Netscape Messenger that had a similar scoring function for mail threads? It's been expressed many times on the list that people essentially want to bring the functionality of news readers to mailing lists. Outwardly, the newsgroups and mailing lists are very similar, but the guts of how news and email work are very different, making it not a trivial task to add some of a news readers functionality to a mailer. More importantly, the purpose of newsgroups and mail lists are similar. Seeing the response to the recent wish list item that I supported, I gathered that a good many TB users use lists often. As such, I expected to see some support for this particular suggestion. As you mention in another message, what you're thinking of is scoring, not watching. Thanks for correcting me. But remember, the scoring should be proactive. A simple highlighting or flagging would be doable if TB could keep a setting for thread - for example, a mark thread flagged option would flag incoming as well existing messages in the thread. That'd be perfect. But I think the actual procedure would have to be internal since TB offers the ability to select by what header people prefer their messages to be threaded if at all. However, I've seen news readers - which are designed to handle such processing - have trouble with consistently applying thread settings to new messages in a thread, so I'd guess its not as easy to do as it might seem. The only 'reader' I recall encountering such a problem was OE...enough said. But is this suggestion good enough to add to the Wish list in your opinion? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi James, @29-Sep-2002, 14:42 -0400 (19:42 UK time) James Senick [JS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: James, just create a rule that applies a color. It shouldn't take tooo long to create a rule, if you're accustomed to doing it. JS If you're referring to a filter...I don't want to move the JS message nor create hundreds of filters over time regardless of JS how easy it is. Plus any filter solution (at least any I have JS thought of) would leave out the important need to un-watch an JS entire thread. If I misunderstood, please let me know. I do *exactly* this. I have a watch filter. It's near the top of my filters, moves from Inbox to Inbox, marks the message bright red and continues processing. Every time a new thread comes up that I want to watch, I just add the subject as an alternative search. Works a treat! Every so often I tidy the filter up and remove old subjects from it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9l4PsOeQkq5KdzaARAl47AJsEnVwNIrDzBKxkfEiCcL8grDI/0ACfe6B4 IjNLK7xeFIT6nZLWFBHXOU4= =6ucv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 23:51:23 [GMT +0100] (which was 6:51:23 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Every time a new thread comes up that I want to watch, I just add the subject as an alternative search. Works a treat! Every so often I tidy the filter up and remove old subjects from it. Oh my! I feel dumb. I completely forgot about the alternative sets. Thanks Marck. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Carren, @30-Sep-2002, 14:53 +1200 (03:53 UK time) Carren Stuart [CS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: CS I want to create a watch filter as you have, for my TBUDL CS mail. A watch filter should not be associated with any list. It just watches for a subject and highlights the message. CS ... Do I put my watch filter above or below my TBUDL filter? Above. It does a Continue processing to let the TBUDL filter move the already highlighted message to its final resting place. CS I am guessing that I would put it after, but it wont let me CS change the source folder (which would have to be TBUDL Received CS wouldn't it?) CS I am confusing myself as usual :-) You are. The watch filter works on the Inbox. It highlights any mail you are currently watching, moving it to the Inbox (i.e. not moving it at all). The mail is then filtered to ... wherever it wants to be by the subsequent filters. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9l74zOeQkq5KdzaARAkMcAJ4lOsJr7VkwFWL0DHR4wnBaxw260ACcCanr Br896tZq9NHR4M4zgDWBVdA= =bEX0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Carren, @30-Sep-2002, 15:02 +1200 (04:02 UK time) Carren Stuart [CS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: CS ... the way I have it set now, even though it is doing what I CS want it to, will put all those messages back into the Inbox if CS I ever need to do a re-filter messages. That's true, but how often do you do that? Anyway, you just have to set the watch filter to manual or turn off active before you do it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQE9l8GOOeQkq5KdzaARAhsSAKCjq1Oiny77eyvzRcWU9tMqqhUkqQCg1+7i bdxVP27kTmfwb+36xIEXLDE= =N86c -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] wrote:' MDP A watch filter should not be associated with any list. It just MDP watches for a subject and highlights the message. This can be the case only if you don't already colour group list messages for some other reason as I do. I already colour group list messages so that I can easily differentiate them when reading new messages from the Ticker Virtual Folder. If you colour group messages to highlight them for special attention and leave them to be processed by the usual list filters, then the colour group assignment will be cancelled out by the usual list filter's and changed to the lists usual colour group assignment. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9l8LdV8nrYCsHF+IRAslwAKDFRmHeOHtiZ3y45GrU8t7jaWRXdwCgvlPd NlTSaafAIrnMNeaTK6oSAo8= =JdE0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
