Re[2]: Newbie seeking advice :-)

[Tony]

Hello Kevin,

T>> Thanks for the URL Kevin. The settings you recommended where the
T>> same as mine. So that's not the problem I think.

KC> What options do you enabled in PGP?
I tried several combinations but currently:
- Always encrypt to own key
- Show icon in tray
- Cache pass phrase and share among modules
- All E-mail options off


T>> I just checked your signature. PGP fetched the key from a key
T>> server and then verified your message as valid. TB! also reports
T>> this. All at just pressing the check signature in TB! v2.11 So I
T>> think that shows PGP communicates properly with TB!

KC> I guess that's good and bad news. The good news is PGP and The Bat!
KC> seem to be working.
The sender uses "Version: GnuPG v1.2.4-sb1 (RISC OS)"
Somehow I think it slips in something that confuses TB!
PGP sees it as an attachment. But I don't know if TB! 'told' PGP that
it's an attachment or that PGP, for example, finds something odd in
the decrypted message and then assumes it's an attachment.
But he never had any complaints about his e-mails
So people using, for example, Outlook don't have the problem

<.>

T>> BTW (mod) can we continue discussing this here or does it belong on
T>> the off-topic list?

KC> I'm not sure but we could move it to TBOT to be safe. Feel free to
KC> contact me off list as well.

It still is about an official The Bat feature so I think it's ok.
I'm sure a mod will drop a line if not. :D



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Re[2]: Newbie seeking advice :-)

[Tony]

Hello Kevin,


KC>>> I have the current version available for download on a web page.
KC>>> Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code.

T>> Can you please post the URL?

KC> http://tinyurl.com/2ag9u

T>> All works fine now but not for messages I receive from a gnupg
T>> generated message. PGP wants to save the messages as a file.

KC> I don't think that I've run across that problem.
I wonder if it is because the message is encrypted on a non PC
platform. Returns are diffrent maybe cr+lf/ lf

KC> Check the guide and
KC> the settings I mentioned should get things working if you're using
KC> v2.x newer of The Bat!.

Thanks for the URL Kevin.
The settings you recommended where the same as mine.
So that's not the problem I think.
I just checked your signature.
PGP fetched the key from a key server and then verified your message
as valid.
TB! also reports this.
All at just pressing the check signature in TB! v2.11
So I think that shows PGP communicates properly with TB!
Are you using PGP or GnuPG?

BTW (mod) can we continue discussing this here or does it belong on the
off-topic list?
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[Tony]

Hello Kevin,

KC> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
KC> Hash: SHA1

KC> Hi Melissa,

KC> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:20:02 -0700 (10:20 PM here), Melissa Reese [MR]
KC> wrote in :

MR>> Kevin Coates wrote up very detailed guide to using the TB/PGP
MR>> integration. I do have a copy of it in my files, so if you want
MR>> it, I can send it along via private email.

KC> I have the current version available for download on a web page.
KC> Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code.

Can you please post the URL?
All works fine now but not for messages I receive from a gnupg
generated message. PGP wants to save the messages as a file.
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[Tony]

Hello Kevin,

KC> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
KC> Hash: SHA1

KC> Hi Melissa,

KC> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:20:02 -0700 (10:20 PM here), Melissa Reese [MR]
KC> wrote in :

MR>> Kevin Coates wrote up very detailed guide to using the TB/PGP
MR>> integration. I do have a copy of it in my files, so if you want
MR>> it, I can send it along via private email.

KC> I have the current version available for download on a web page.
KC> Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code.

By e-mail is fine.
So is the URL of the web site.

It looks the testing various PGP versions didn't do any good to my
system. When opening the PGP selection window in TheBat!


Send the message: thebat.exe - Entry Point Not Found
The procedure entry point PGPNewKeyServerFromHostName could not be
located in the dynamic link library PGPsdkNL.dll


Time for a good system clean when I get back from office :P

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[Tony]

Hello Allie,

AM> Tony, [T] wrote:

>> I just 'ask' TB! to decrypt. Probably some setting but I have no
>> idea where to look. Any settings I should look for specifically?

AM> Have you enabled the integration?

AM> Tools//OpenPGP//Choose OpenPGP Version?

PGP 5,6,7,8 (build in support)



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[Tony]

Hello Melissa,

>> Encrypting/signing/decryption all work.
>> When I decrypt PGP wants to save to file.
>> Real integration would be that it replaces the encrypted text with
>> the plain text. Without loosing quotes/formatting etc.

MR> As I just said above, PGP v8 integration does work as expected here.
MR> I have no idea why it's asking you to "save to file".  Are you trying
MR> to use the PGP options from "PGPtray" when you're using TB!?  Or are
MR> you actually using the integration?  There is a difference in how
MR> these work.
I just 'ask' TB! to decrypt.
Probably some setting but I have no idea where to look.
Any settings I should look for specifically?

>> BTW as long as it works and handles modern ciphers it doesn't matter
>> if it's PGP/OpenPGP/GPG/...


Let's say I feel neutral.
I was just installing v6.5 to get thinks working.
I want to get v8 working because of PGPdisk

<.>

MR> For someone like myself, who couldn't tell the difference between a
MR> "backdoor" and a "bathtub" if I were to look at the source code, I
MR> need to find other ways to "trust" the code; and I feel I've done all
MR> I can to assure myself that it's okay for me to use.

MR> If we want to continue this aspect of the discussion, perhaps we
MR> should move it to TBOT before the fish start flying. :-)
Is that a separate list?
If so yes that's fine. Although our options are not that different as you
might think. It junk my tacky English that's to cryptographic to read
:D


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[Tony]

Hello Melissa,

MR> Hi Tony,

MR> On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 9:52:01 AM PST, you wrote:

>> Thanks for the link. No plugins for PGP v8.x
>> So I installed PGP 6.5.x :)

MR> Oops!  Not a good idea!
Eeks!

MR> Firstly, since TB has built-in *integration* with PGP v8.x, there's no
MR> need for a plug-in. :-)
Unfortunately that integration doesn't work. Or maybe I should say I
can't get it to work.
Encrypting/signing/decryption all work.
When I decrypt PGP wants to save to file.
Real integration would be that it replaces the encrypted text with the
plain text. Without loosing quotes/formatting etc.
The OpenPGP found in TB! integrates a lot better but has problems with
quotes. Maybe some smart trick with templates can solve that...
But it doesn't support the latest ciphers so it's useless for me :(
BTW as long as it works and handles modern ciphers it doesn't matter if
it's PGP/OpenPGP/GPG/...

MR> Secondly, PGP v6.5.8 does not have some of the vulnerability fixes
MR> that are included in v8.x, so unless there's a really good reason why
MR> you can't use v8.x, it's usually best to use the latest version.

MR> With a program like PGP, deciding whether or not to use the latest
MR> version is not just about features...it's often about having the
MR> latest security fixes as well.
Tell that on alt.security.pgp :-)
Many there will not agree with you. Some still stick with 2.6
And many don't trust the versions where PRZ was not (closely) involved
I never heard of security flaws in PGP besides academic 'weaknesses'
found in MD5

But besides of that I would use a later version, if only for new
ciphers/hashes.
I'm running an evaluation copy of TB! as you can see from the header
and I want to learn as much about TB! in that period so that I can
make a founded decision.

Thanks for your reply.
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[Tony]

Hello Paul,


PC> On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:22 AM, you wrote:

 - plug ins

TF>> You could ask here:
TF>> http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/category.php?id=6
TF>> or in the archives. I think I saw a post somewhere recently that give
TF>> a URL on the Ritlabs site that shows a list of pug-ins and where they
TF>> can be downloaded. Cannot find that post any more.

PC> the ritlabs download page has all the TB plugins for PGP and
PC> dictionaries, and the international pack here:
PC> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php

Thanks for the link. No plugins for PGP v8.x
So I installed PGP 6.5.x :)
TB! only accepts *.tbp as a plugin. The plugin you suggested are *.dll
TB! window still shows *.DLL as a description so I assume the
extension has changed between v1.x and v2.x?
Anyway how to install?

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[David Shepherd]

Saturday, June 12, 2004, 10:32:35 AM, you wrote:

Tony>I'm a long time Forte Agent user that's looking for a client
Tony>that didn't stop development 5 years ago...

AM> I used Forte' Agent prior to using TB! myself.


I still use Agent for usenet.  I've always used programs that
specialize in a certain field.  I couldn't imagine using a mail
program to use as a mail reader.  And while Agent will do e-mail
it doesn't have very good features for that use.  Before I came
to TB! I used Eudora.  I never have regretted my switch, as
Eudora became to bloated and slow.  Oh, and paying for upgrades
with every version didn't strike my fancy either.  I think if you
give TB! a chance you'll be really happy with it.


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[Tony]

Hello Edvinas,
EM> On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 15:20, you wrote:

T>> When I decrypt a message TB! wants to save a file.
T>> I only need security while transfering the email so I want a decrypted version in 
my Inbox.
T>> So that I can reply to it etc.

EM> Early versions of The Bat! acted just like this -- during decryption,
EM> decrypted version of message was created. Then user could choose
EM> either delete encrypted message and keep decrypted or read decrypted
EM> message and delete it leaving encrypted message.
That sounds ok with me.

EM> Unfortunately now The Bat! just shows decrypted message in a window
EM> and when you close the window -- decrypted message is done. That's
EM> very inconvenient in my point of view, especially because The Bat! does
EM> not automatically decrypt messages in preview pane and it's not
EM> possible to perform search on encrypted messages...
Besides from that it looks like a complete waste of programming time.
(no pun intended)
Using the (copy to clipboard) method supported by PGP works easier.
I don't call that a plugin or integration.
I must be careful with comments because I'm testdriving TB! for only 3
days But it looks so very Un Batish to me.
I'm still a bit lost in TB! interface (my problem) but in those 3 days
I already have the impression that TB! coders spend 50% off their time
on a feature and 50% on putting it into TB!.
And that's meant as a positive comment. So many coders just bung in a
few options that look cool in their sales pitch and that's it.
TB! seems to give the streamlining high priority too.

EM> I really liked that old behaviour It would be grate that it would be
EM> re-introduced in future versions.
I vote yes for that too!




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