Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 11:04:10 PM, Alexander wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A *And* it has been proven more than once that there's simply *NO* so-called A saving at all - what improvement and daylight saving is this when by A the end of October the clocks go back 1 hour so its earler light in the A morning, but in exchange for that its earlier dark in the evening? We were taught at school that the reasoning behind it was to make it safer for children walking to school in the morning. Being light earlier meant they were visible rather than having to walk in the dark. As schools generally finish before it gets dark in the afternoon the children were still safe to walk home again. Nowadays many are taken by car so it's questionable whether there is a benefit but if it does make walking safer for those who do then I hope it stays. :) Follow Up to TBOT as now way OT for TBUDL ;) -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v3.0.1 RC3 on Xandros Desktop Deluxe v2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hail TBUDL, On 19 October 2004, at 08:05:35 +0100 (which was 08:05 where I live) David Elliott wrote ... Humm must have a look at my reply template it changed the subject and I did not see it. -- Ti2GO,___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer | _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | 12. A beer doesn't sulk.| pgpR1sfOzJ2Yi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hi On Saturday, 16 October, 2004, at 3:14:28 PM, Stuart Cuddy wrote: As a matter of fact England is currently looking into joining the DST club. Eh? We have had British Summer Time since 1916 (with different arrangements 1940-47 and 68-71). I think it's just a way for the government to dictate that we get up earlier in the summer. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allister Jenks everyone else 16-Okt-2004 01:01, you wrote: I don't see the point of making any reference to what time it is *now* in anyone's timezone. I'm telling you I am at GMT + 13. When/if that matters to anyone, they can figure out whether to call me. I do, especially in the quote header. I mean... you didn't really write the above paragraph at 01:01 in your timezone. I always had the feeling that quoting (for example) *you* should also refer to *your* timezone, then... I haven't fixed my reply templates for that, but your idea of including the GMT offset is a nice idea, too. But then again... my offset varies - during summer we have Daylight Saving Time (the most stupid invention men ever made if you ask me), with GMT+1, in the winter its GMT+2... *sigh* -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 without smilies :-P I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]
Hello Allister Jenks everyone else 16-Okt-2004 06:07, you wrote: MCR Yep, until the last Saturday of October. Than, it's back to GMT. That would be a very short period for daylight savings. It ends on the third Sunday in March and then goes back to +1200 - not GMT. :-) LOL Cristina is on the opposite side of the earth's silly ball - her DST ends when yours starts... I never thought about that before... funny (thou I'm shocked that even in NZ you have the crappy DST stuff). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 without smilies :-P This shock which separates the end of one life from the beginning of the next...is too strong for ordinary man, who has no choice but to forget and fall asleep. -- Rodney Collin Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hello Group On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 12:01:02 AM, wrote: Saturday, October 9, 2004, 1:12:44 AM, Mica wrote: MM Btw, is good to have local time also quoted, altho just a remark about MM time zone(s) helps enough too. I've been absent from the list for a while and have just taken the time to read some posts - this being the first. I have to agree with Mica's comment above. I haven't bothered in my personal emails, but in my line of work (IT) I deal a lot with people in other timezones. To this end I always put the following on my footer: GMT +13:00 I don't see the point of making any reference to what time it is *now* in anyone's timezone. I'm telling you I am at GMT + 13. When/if that matters to anyone, they can figure out whether to call me. It's a pity everybody in NZ isn't so aware of time differences :-) Before I retired, if my phone rang at 2.30 a.m. I would always pick it up and say 'hello James!' to which the reply was always 'did I get the time difference right this time?' Perhaps NZ Financial Controllers aren't as switched on as NZ IT people? -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]
Hello Allister! On Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:13 PM, you wrote: MB I know you are on a large continent, also. AJ Umm. Nope. One timezone. MB Well, but with the entire Pacific on either side. ;) AJ Actually wrong again! (Sorry!) Pacific to the North, East and South, AJ but the Tasman Sea to the West. Come to tbudl and be educated. I should be ashamed of myself, having once--last about 25 years ago--taught world geography to sixth graders. :) snipped AJ :-) It's just that NZ is not a continent. Australia is. AJ Technically, NZ is described as comprising of three main islands AJ and a number of smaller ones. MB I [was] overly concerned that you would feel overwhelmed ... AJ Not overwhelmed at all. I've visited Vancouver, Houston, LA and AJ Denver (well, the airports of the last two) and flown LA to AJ London. I have an appreciation of the size involved. MB Magnificent scenery in New Zealand ... AJ As in many other places in the world. Some of the best scenery I AJ have seen was in and around Vancouver and I long to cruise up the AJ west coast from there one day. MB But you truly are a long plane ride away from me. AJ About 12 hours to LA direct. Add 3 at minimum LA to Nashville International. -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hello Alexander, Saturday, October 16, 2004, 1:24:48 AM, you wrote: ASK (the most stupid ASK invention men ever made if you ask me), with GMT+1, in the winter its ASK GMT+2... *sigh* Not that this topic should be discussed here but I have to disagree. DST is terrific in many ways. As a matter of fact England is currently looking into joining the DST club. From Canada where it were invented -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Saturday, 16 October 2004 at 15:14 (UK time), Stuart Cuddy said: DST is terrific in many ways. As a matter of fact England is currently looking into joining the DST club. And the rest of the UK with I suspect :) -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul, Saturday, October 16, 2004, 11:47:47 AM, you wrote: PW On Saturday, 16 October 2004 at 15:14 (UK time), Stuart Cuddy said: DST is terrific in many ways. As a matter of fact England is currently looking into joining the DST club. PW And the rest of the UK with I suspect :) Actually, no. Apparently Scotland can now vote to not go, even if England decides to go. I have no first hand knowledge of this, just what I've heard in the news. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Stuart Cuddy everyone else Sorry for another reply, will stop here, promised. 16-Okt-2004 16:14, you wrote: Not that this topic should be discussed here but I have to disagree. DST is terrific in many ways. Terrifying, rather - in spring you lose one hour (and it takes me weeks to adapt and get outta bed in time), in fall you're all of a sudden sitting in the dark at 5 pm. If I had a vote, I'd be against it, no doubt. It simply sucks, all the years I've been part of that stupid invention it simply sucks, sucks, sucks. *And* it has been proven more than once that there's simply *NO* so-called saving at all - what improvement and daylight saving is this when by the end of October the clocks go back 1 hour so its earler light in the morning, but in exchange for that its earlier dark in the evening? Such nonsense! ...only beaten by the german plans of applying television fees to internet PCs... Sorry, got carried away. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 without smilies :-P http://www.schon-abGEZockt.de Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, Saturday, October 16, 2004, 5:04:10 PM, you wrote: ASK Such nonsense! ...only beaten by the german plans of applying television ASK fees to internet PCs... ASK Sorry, got carried away. Ooh, touched a nerve!!! ;) -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 9, 2004, 1:12:44 AM, Mica wrote: MM Btw, is good to have local time also quoted, altho just a remark about MM time zone(s) helps enough too. I've been absent from the list for a while and have just taken the time to read some posts - this being the first. I have to agree with Mica's comment above. I haven't bothered in my personal emails, but in my line of work (IT) I deal a lot with people in other timezones. To this end I always put the following on my footer: GMT +13:00 I don't see the point of making any reference to what time it is *now* in anyone's timezone. I'm telling you I am at GMT + 13. When/if that matters to anyone, they can figure out whether to call me. This reminds me of a really simple system that Acorn Computers used in their RISC OS product. The system clock and ALL timestamps (i.e. on files etc) were in UTC. Period. The smart bit was that whenever the OS displayed a time, it adjusted it according to a UTC offset system value. If the user had to enter a time, you would subtract the offset and store it as UTC. That way, all you ever had to do was keep your own offset correct, and keep your clock accurate to the minutes. You could send files all around the world and everyone could tell exactly how many hours and minutes old it was without needing to know what timezone the file originated from. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allister! On Friday, October 15, 2004, 6:01 PM, you wrote: AJ I don't see the point of making any reference to what time it is AJ *now* in anyone's timezone. I'm telling you I am at GMT + 13. AJ When/if that matters to anyone, they can figure out whether to AJ call me. But Allister, I am so mathematically challenged that I have to run a special program to tell me what's what. So I appreciate seeing what time it is locally in the messages I receive, especially on these international mailing lists. You are speaking from a business point of view. I am speaking from the point of view of a provincial user smack in the middle of a very wide continent. :) Welcome back. We have the tbdup wiki project going now, so I am putting off learning HTML for awhile. I know you are on a large continent, also. But you are brainier mathematically than I am. :) -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: :flag-newzealand: :flag-usa: The Bat! 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On 15/10/2004 at 6:17:37 PM, Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: But Allister, I am so mathematically challenged that I have to run a special program to tell me what's what. So I appreciate seeing what time it is locally in the messages I receive, especially on these international mailing lists. The TB! templates above will give the time to your own timezone. So if someone is replying to your message and using a TB! template, as is the case in this list, the time you wrote will be corrected to their time zone. -- -= Allie =- . On a scale of 1 to 10, 4 is about 7. __ The Bat! v3.0.1.33 - IMAP mail Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 16, 2004, 12:17:37 PM, Mary wrote: MB I know you are on a large continent, also. Umm. Nope. One timezone. http://www.tourism.org.nz/ You weren't thinking of Australia were you? -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allie! On Friday, October 15, 2004, 7:56 PM, you wrote: MB But Allister, I am so mathematically challenged that I have to run a MB special program to tell me what's what. So I appreciate seeing what MB time it is locally in the messages I receive, especially on these MB international mailing lists. AM The TB! templates above will give the time to your own timezone. So if AM someone is replying to your message and using a TB! template, as is AM the case in this list, the time you wrote will be corrected to their AM time zone. I had noticed that, but I did not know that it was the TB! templates. I like the way things are, and I hope they will not be changed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allister! On Friday, October 15, 2004, 8:52 PM, you wrote: MB I know you are on a large continent, also. AJ Umm. Nope. One timezone. Well, but with the entire Pacific on either side. ;) AJ http://www.tourism.org.nz/ AJ You weren't thinking of Australia were you? No, I knew it was New Zealand. Recognized your flag. Working with those in PCWSmileys has expanded the ones I know on sight. I just became overly concerned that you would feel overwhelmed by the large land mass on which I dwell, and I wished to indicate that I knew you did not live on an atoll. Magnificent scenery in New Zealand, as seen in the Lord of the Rings movies! But you truly are a long plane ride away from me. -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: :flag-newzealand: :flag-usa: The Bat! 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allister, On 16 October 2004 at 14:52:03GMT +1300 (which was 02:52 where I live) Allister Jenks wrote and made these points on the subject of OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]: NZ is the antipodes of Lisbon, where I live. How does it feel living upside down? :) - -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: The BAT! 3.0.2.1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQXCHc1PsaxtteqJVEQIAkACfRUGIDpIavdsQ6UDo7XeAWOV3meMAoIkD Z6EEyFeee5uAWh0mPWfByf38 =U5Dj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Maria, Friday, October 15, 2004, 9:28:59 PM, you wrote: MCR On 16 October 2004 at 14:52:03GMT +1300 (which was 02:52 where I live) Wouldn't this be +1200, or are you on Daylight Saving Time. :) -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Stuart, On 16 October 2004 at 21:43:12GMT -0500 (which was 03:43 where I live) Stuart Cuddy wrote and made these points on the subject of OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]: SC Wouldn't this be +1200, or are you on Daylight Saving Time. :) Yep, until the last Saturday of October. Than, it's back to GMT. - -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: The BAT! 3.0.2.1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQXCPu1PsaxtteqJVEQLKmQCg/n38+Qu9E44Wl2f872X1qshdETIAoNGT /Btd4LRVeAbi7RVKkPqXW0b3 =qrFQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:28:59 PM, Maria wrote: MCR NZ is the antipodes of Lisbon, where I live. How does it feel living MCR upside down? :) .smelborp yna deciton t'nevah I Seriously though - if gravity weren't stronger than the centrifugal force, nobody would be right-side-up anyway! -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:43:12 PM, Stuart wrote: MCR On 16 October 2004 at 14:52:03GMT +1300 (which was 02:52 where I live) SC Wouldn't this be +1200, or are you on Daylight Saving Time. :) The standard time is indeed +1200. We started daylight saving on the first Sunday in October. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, October 16, 2004, 4:04:21 PM, Maria wrote: SC Wouldn't this be +1200, or are you on Daylight Saving Time. :) MCR Yep, until the last Saturday of October. Than, it's back to GMT. That would be a very short period for daylight savings. It ends on the third Sunday in March and then goes back to +1200 - not GMT. :-) -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT Time stamps [was Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)]
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:08:35 PM, Mary wrote: MB I know you are on a large continent, also. AJ Umm. Nope. One timezone. MB Well, but with the entire Pacific on either side. ;) Actually wrong again! (Sorry!) Pacific to the North, East and South, but the Tasman Sea to the West. AJ You weren't thinking of Australia were you? MB No, I knew it was New Zealand. Recognized your flag. Working with MB those in PCWSmileys has expanded the ones I know on sight. :-) It's just that NZ is not a continent. Australia is. Technically, NZ is described as comprising of three main islands and a number of smaller ones. MB I just became overly concerned that you would feel overwhelmed by the MB large land mass on which I dwell, and I wished to indicate that I knew MB you did not live on an atoll. Not overwhelmed at all. I've visited Vancouver, Houston, LA and Denver (well, the airports of the last two) and flown LA to London. I have an appreciation of the size involved. MB Magnificent scenery in New Zealand, as seen in the Lord of the Rings MB movies! As in many other places in the world. Some of the best scenery I have seen was in and around Vancouver and I long to cruise up the west coast from there one day. MB But you truly are a long plane ride away from me. About 12 hours to LA direct. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hi On Friday, 8 October, 2004, at 1:12:44 PM, Mica Mijatovic wrote: But biblical sources mention alchemy as well, for instance, the production of wine from water. Most of us can only manage the reverse ;-) -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Kertesz, On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:48:55 +0200GMT (8-10-2004, 4:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: KV I am not a moderator, but if Kevin has violated some rule, you too. KV Why is it important to mention your local time over and over again? It's nice that you say that, but I'd like you to point to the following facts: 1) I wasn't moderating Kevin, but Jack 2) Kevin who wasn't breaking rules, uses something like my own header line to tell you his local time too. ;-) 3) That line is in my AB template for this list, I'm not going to change templates just because I have to moderate somebody 4) Since this is an international list, that line has some use. It shows to both authors in a thread the time difference between the respective time zones, so it gives an idea when you could expect an answer or why you didn't get it any sooner. KV We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks KV wine... My country was a bit more biblical oriented and we say: He sses the splinter in the eye of his neighbour but not the balk in his own eye. KV No offense, really, but you jump on every small error... Actually, I don't. Follow this thread back and you'll see that Jack's previous message has the same failing as the one I moderated, but that one got no reaction from any moderator. When you check his messages before this thread (including his replies), you'll see that those didn't break the list rules. Apparently he made he conscious adaption and now he's made conscious of the error in his way. (for this list) KV A moderator should work in the background, not in the spotlight, I KV think. With such an opinion, you should start a discussion off list. Besides you could have read my message completely, because that says: RO To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of RO private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you RO subscribed. So you could have read the welcome message , so that we wouldn't have this part of the discussion. But in short: When we moderate off list, nobody sees it, so nobody is remembered to the fact that it's against the rules, that's likely to cause more offenses than less. Thus causing unhappiness to those who prefer the rules etc. When you've lost your welcoming message and like to receive a copy, I'll be more than happy to send it. -- Groetjes, Roelof (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with a large hammer The Bat! 3.0.1 RC5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpSiFeQwO2gE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Oct 2004, @ @ at 11:39:16 +0200, when Roelof Otten wrote: KV We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks KV wine... My country was a bit more biblical oriented and we say: He sses the splinter in the eye of his neighbour but not the balk in his own eye. Ah, here where I live, and work a bit too, contemplating the beauty of terrestrial existence, they have the very same proverb. (-: But biblical sources mention alchemy as well, for instance, the production of wine from water. (: So a misunderstanding is easily possible. Btw, is good to have local time also quoted, altho just a remark about time zone(s) helps enough too. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 37 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBZoQ79q62QPd3XuIRAsOmAJ9theomd9MeGbxtCYkR94TDgMZwPwCgnBGm 0DehPxSADtMqAaYBzbCrnS0= =aBOn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
Hi Jack, on Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:21:44 -0700GMT, you wrote: J I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages You (and the others too) might add a note to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2168 to bring it to the top of the wish list again. :-) -- Cheers Peter Don't humanize computers. They hate that! Winamp currently playing: Rare Bird - flight, part I-IV Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
RO On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: KV I am not a moderator, but if Kevin has violated some rule, you too. KV Why is it important to mention your local time over and over again? RO It's nice that you say that, but I'd like you to point to the RO following facts: RO 1) I wasn't moderating Kevin, but Jack You got the point :)) RO 2) Kevin who wasn't breaking rules, uses something like my own header ROline to tell you his local time too. ;-) Moderate him... RO 3) That line is in my AB template for this list, I'm not going to RO change templates just because I have to moderate somebody Why not? Anyway, you dont have to change it, you can delete it manually, too. RO 4) Since this is an international list, that line has some use. It RO shows to both authors in a thread the time difference between the RO respective time zones, so it gives an idea when you could expect RO an answer or why you didn't get it any sooner. Ook... All I wanted to say that you (I mean the moderators) jump on every small stuff and send a mega-length mail explaining what was wrong :)) KV We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks KV wine... RO My country was a bit more biblical oriented and we say: He sses the RO splinter in the eye of his neighbour but not the balk in his own eye. Yes, we have the same, too. It sometimes happens with me, also. So dont take it as an offense, I used to fall into the same trap... We are humans. KV No offense, really, but you jump on every small error... RO Actually, I don't. Follow this thread back and you'll see that Jack's RO previous message has the same failing as the one I moderated, but that RO one got no reaction from any moderator. When you check his messages RO before this thread (including his replies), you'll see that those RO didn't break the list rules. Apparently he made he conscious adaption RO and now he's made conscious of the error in his way. (for this list) Ok. KV A moderator should work in the background, not in the spotlight, I KV think. RO With such an opinion, you should start a discussion off list. RO Besides you could have read my message completely, because that says: RO To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of RO private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you RO subscribed. RO So you could have read the welcome message , so that we wouldn't have RO this part of the discussion. But in short: RO When we moderate off list, nobody sees it, so nobody is remembered to RO the fact that it's against the rules, that's likely to cause more RO offenses than less. Thus causing unhappiness to those who prefer the RO rules etc. Ok, ok. RO When you've lost your welcoming message and like to receive a copy, RO I'll be more than happy to send it. :)) You are sarcastic. You know that I have but I just briefly read it :) Ok, thread closed. Minden jot, Vili -- Kertesz Vilmos Macasoft Bt. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jack, On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:21:44 -0700 (10:21 AM here), Jack [J] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: J I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages because I don't need J secure storage and I would like to search the messages. Currently as of v3.0.1 RC5 TB still does not offer an option to save decrypted messages. If this is a major annoyance, consider using GPGrelay. It works well here. http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.0.1 RC5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBZNVwvZSrVDqOXK0RAlPeAKCfNbp5b5aVXHkgUpiGYRtZsjkbjgCgowGu aNTVHe2MJtteD4oIeORzBR4= =Bn6D -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Save decrypted PGP messages?
Hello Kevin, Thanks for the reply. I have more than one PGP accounts and I have to deal with most of my emails this way. I have PGP installed and everything works well except that I can not save decrypted messages. PGPRelay seems to be a solution but it requires running a separate process, some settings, and installing GPG. I do prefer that TB will add back the feature they took out in V3. With 1.6x version, I can do that but some of the folders created in 2.x can not be seen. -- Best regards, Jack Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 10:34:34 PM, you wrote: KC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KC Hash: SHA1 KC Hi Jack, KC On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:21:44 -0700 (10:21 AM here), Jack [J] wrote in KC mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: J I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages because I don't need J secure storage and I would like to search the messages. KC Currently as of v3.0.1 RC5 TB still does not offer an option to save KC decrypted messages. If this is a major annoyance, consider using KC GPGrelay. It works well here. KC http://sites.inka.de/tesla/gpgrelay.html Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
Hallo Jack, On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:21:44 -0700GMT (6-10-2004, 16:21 +0200, where I live), you wrote: J I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages because I don't need J secure storage and I would like to search the messages. TB promised J this feature in an email in the 2.x time. I haven't checked out 3.0 J but can anyone tell me if 3.0 has this feature? Not that I'm aware of. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is dangerous to confuse children with angels. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC4 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpLl9iGBXQFX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jack, On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:01:26 -0700 (4:01 PM here), Jack [J] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: J Thanks for the reply. I have more than one PGP accounts and I have J to deal with most of my emails this way. I have PGP installed and J everything works well except that I can not save decrypted J messages. PGPRelay seems to be a solution but it requires running a J separate process, some settings, and installing GPG. You are correct in that GPGrelay requires GPG and runs as a relay. Its been quite awhile since I converted from PGP to GPG and honestly, I haven't missed PGP. One thing I appreciate about GPGrelay is that both the mail in my Sent folder and any inbound mail are decrypted. This makes text searches possible, and eliminates the worry about keeping old expired or revoked keys in my keyring. Its also quite convenient having a GPG manager. No matter which mail client I send from, recipients inlined or PGP/MIME preferences are respected. I don't have to think about it. J I do prefer that TB will add back the feature they took out in V3. J With 1.6x version, I can do that but some of the folders created in J 2.x can not be seen. I never understood why RIT removed this feature. While I can appreciate that some people need to keep things encrypted, many of us have our own method of securing the data. Not giving the client a choice didn't seem prudent. In my case, it drove me to seek a 3rd party solution. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.0.1 RC5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBZbR5vZSrVDqOXK0RAgrPAKC0idqmu38AN+zIImE57GghcjjrbACfaxcs fP2KcRHHO50wOCX7iuQ5MOo= =Eg7j -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Save decrypted PGP messages?
Hello Kevin, Thanks again, Kevin. I think I should try your solution, before RitLabs put back that feature. TB! integrates with PGP fairly well. Does it work smoothly with GPG, too? Does GPGRelay support multiple accounts well? -- Best regards, Jack Thursday, October 7, 2004, 2:26:10 PM, you wrote: KC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KC Hash: SHA1 KC Hi Jack, KC On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:01:26 -0700 (4:01 PM here), Jack [J] wrote in KC mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: J Thanks for the reply. I have more than one PGP accounts and I have J to deal with most of my emails this way. I have PGP installed and J everything works well except that I can not save decrypted J messages. PGPRelay seems to be a solution but it requires running a J separate process, some settings, and installing GPG. KC You are correct in that GPGrelay requires GPG and runs as a relay. Its KC been quite awhile since I converted from PGP to GPG and honestly, I KC haven't missed PGP. KC One thing I appreciate about GPGrelay is that both the mail in my Sent KC folder and any inbound mail are decrypted. This makes text searches KC possible, and eliminates the worry about keeping old expired or KC revoked keys in my keyring. KC Its also quite convenient having a GPG manager. No matter which mail KC client I send from, recipients inlined or PGP/MIME preferences are KC respected. I don't have to think about it. J I do prefer that TB will add back the feature they took out in V3. J With 1.6x version, I can do that but some of the folders created in J 2.x can not be seen. KC I never understood why RIT removed this feature. While I can KC appreciate that some people need to keep things encrypted, many of us KC have our own method of securing the data. Not giving the client a KC choice didn't seem prudent. In my case, it drove me to seek a 3rd KC party solution. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 7 Oct 2004, @ @ at 15:15:11 -0700, when Jack wrote: TB! integrates with PGP fairly well. Does it work smoothly with GPG, too? Smoothly and swimmingly. I use only GPG with TB all the time. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 37 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBZcmn9q62QPd3XuIRAkkzAJ0V51avm2/5tw/RoE/pzKWKGBsxTACghC5j FZ4lIWgHiffXUlksaNfYxas= =Miok -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hallo Jack, On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I live), you wrote: J Hello Kevin, J Thanks again, Kevin. I think I should try your solution, before J RitLabs put back that feature. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jack. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal System Error: (A)bort (R)etry (G)et OS/2 The Bat! 3.0.1 RC5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpP7elQniQ1r.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
Hallo Jack, On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KC On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:01:26 -0700 (4:01 PM here), Jack [J] wrote in KC mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jack. ' Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof [EMAIL PROTECTED], my hard drive crash ate my Tagline File... The Bat! 3.0.1 RC5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpR7UBE05Szv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Save decrypted PGP messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jack, On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700 (6:15 PM here), Jack [J] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: J Thanks again, Kevin. I think I should try your solution, before J RitLabs put back that feature. There's other benefits with GPGrelay which you might find useful. J TB! integrates with PGP fairly well. Does it work smoothly with J GPG, too? Most of my usage with The Bat! has been with GPG and it works well. There are a few things that could be improved upon but encryption support has continually improved. J Does GPGRelay support multiple accounts well? Yes, you can add as many account as you need. Currently I have 5 different e-mail relays configured. For those with Gmail accounts, both inlined and PGP/MIME work when used in conjunction with the recent version of FreePOPs. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.0.1 RC5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBZeB1vZSrVDqOXK0RAk1MAKDG4er/0INmGZzfR9+y6+Xw5C0tvACghtwm LKRJvSKVxWm8s1i+AxcHzwQ= =pf6h -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Save decrypted PGP messages?)
RO On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0700GMT (8-10-2004, 0:15 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: I am not a moderator, but if Kevin has violated some rule, you too. Why is it important to mention your local time over and over again? We have a term for this case: He's talking about water but drinks wine... No offense, really, but you jump on every small error... A moderator should work in the background, not in the spotlight, I think. Vili -- Kertesz Vilmos Macasoft Bt. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Save decrypted PGP messages?
Hi all, I'd like to save the decrypted PGP messages because I don't need secure storage and I would like to search the messages. TB promised this feature in an email in the 2.x time. I haven't checked out 3.0 but can anyone tell me if 3.0 has this feature? It was in 1.x versions, and taken out in 2.x. I would upgrade just because of this feature, because most of my emails are PGPed and it's so annoying to decrypt before viewing any of them. At least, make it an option. -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
