Re: Selective download big files

[Paul Berger]

Hello tb...@thebat.,

Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:15:11 AM, you wrote:

JK> On Wednesday, July 22, 2009, at 2:27:36 AM, Mark Partous wrote:

>> I don't know if this works for attachments (haven't tried it):

>> Account - Properties - Mail Management -
>> Receive Header Only If Message Is Greater Than

JK> It does work. I've had mine set to 80K for a long time now. I get a
JK> notification message that has a link to the specific mailbox entry, that
JK> takes me to the Connection Centre so that I can read it, download it, or
JK> delete it. I often receive multi-megabyte attachments and it has really
JK> helped me manage them. Here's the first paragraph of the notification
JK> message:

JK> A message with the size exceeding 80 K bytes limit has arrived to your 
address -
JK>  the message number on the server is 1.
JK>  Please take care of it by yourself

JK>  If I get multiple attachments in a single pass, I can go direct to the
JK>  "Check mail on server > All messages" from the menu, and select all of
JK>  them to be downloaded (or just deleted if they are spam) at once. It makes
JK>  life much simpler by letting me choose when to deal with lengthy downloads
JK>  or low disk space.



Many thanks, Jim, Frank and Mark.

This should solve the problem for me. 


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Re[2]: Selective download big files

[Jim Kyle]

On Wednesday, July 22, 2009, at 2:27:36 AM, Mark Partous wrote:

> I don't know if this works for attachments (haven't tried it):

> Account - Properties - Mail Management -
> Receive Header Only If Message Is Greater Than

It does work. I've had mine set to 80K for a long time now. I get a
notification message that has a link to the specific mailbox entry, that
takes me to the Connection Centre so that I can read it, download it, or
delete it. I often receive multi-megabyte attachments and it has really
helped me manage them. Here's the first paragraph of the notification
message:

A message with the size exceeding 80 K bytes limit has arrived to your address -
 the message number on the server is 1.
 Please take care of it by yourself

 If I get multiple attachments in a single pass, I can go direct to the
 "Check mail on server > All messages" from the menu, and select all of
 them to be downloaded (or just deleted if they are spam) at once. It makes
 life much simpler by letting me choose when to deal with lengthy downloads
 or low disk space.

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Re: Selective download big files

[Jens Franik]

Guten Tag Paul Berger,

am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2009 um 04:22 schrieben Sie:

> Is there any way to selectively download emails with big attachments,
> say over 2MB?

In recent times, it has been the rule, not to send Attachments over
1,44 Mb (Floppy Size). Now anything grew bigger (DSL) and i regularly
get Mails with 6,10,15 Mb Size. This should be no problem with DSL
Internet Access.

> In the last few weeks 2 friends of mine have had their mailbox full
> and could no longer use their email. They had to phone their provider
> to delete all emails so they could resume using their email.

There are several Freeware Tools like PostBoxInspektor (it is included
in The Bat! you have to do CTRL-F2 or Shift-CTRL-F2) make it possible
to solve that problem without help of the Provider.
If you log in with PostBoxInspektor, only the Headers of the Mail and
Data like Size are polled and you can select the Mail and delete it
from the Server without downloading it...

Hope this helps, maybe you want to have a look at this feature?

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Re: Selective download big files

[Mark Partous]

Hello Paul,

Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 4:22:41 AM, you wrote:

PB> Is there any way to selectively download emails with big attachments,
PB> say over 2MB?

I don't know if this works for attachments (haven't tried it):

Account - Properties - Mail Management -
Receive Header Only If Message Is Greater Than

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Selective download big files

[Paul Berger]

Is there any way to selectively download emails with big attachments,
say over 2MB?

People are infatuated with pretty pictures, especially moving
pictures, and they like to send them to all their friends.

In the last few weeks 2 friends of mine have had their mailbox full
and could no longer use their email. They had to phone their provider
to delete all emails so they could resume using their email.


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Re: Selective Download Filters

[Chris W .]

Doug Higby @ 2007-8-02 7:40:09 AM
"Selective Download Filters" 

> Selective download filter for each account that reads:
> Recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Except the options are:
* Kill
* Ignore
* Ignore and read

None of these options imply "Download this message."

> I am confused when you say the other accounts aren't "checkable".
> This would mean you couldn't really send from that address either.

They are real POP or IMAP mailboxes. They just forward to another
account. I use the real account's SMTP server for sending, and that
works just fine.

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Re: Selective Download Filters

[Chris W .]

MFPA @ 2007-8-02 3:03:47 PM
"Selective Download Filters" 

>> However, I have to write my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming 
>> filters in
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Also, I thought that if you filter to an account's inbox the
> messages were then checked against that account's incoming mail
> filters. Is this incorrect?

I've committed a grave sin. I only assumed that things will work this
way. I've not tested. When the case arises, I will test and, if I
remember, report back.

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Re: Selective Download Filters

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 1 August 2007 at 11:38:39 PM, in
, Chris W. wrote:

> At the moment, I have incoming filters for [EMAIL PROTECTED] the move the
> messages to the correct account.

That's how I do it.

> However, I have to write my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming 
> filters
> in [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Really? I am able to use common filters, rather than putting them
under the "wrong" account.

Also, I thought that if you filter to an account's inbox the
messages were then checked against that account's incoming mail
filters. Is this incorrect?

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Re: Selective Download Filters

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 2 August 2007 at 12:40:09 PM, in
, Doug Higby wrote:


> Selective download filter for each account that reads:
> 
> Recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The others will be left in the box to be collected by the other
> accounts.

Would this catch cc, bcc, or forwarded messages?

> I am confused when you say the other accounts aren't
> "checkable". This would mean you couldn't really send from that
> address either.

Not necessarily. In addition to ISP email addresses, I own two
domain names that I use for email and incoming mail for any
username at either of those domains is all routed to one POP
mailbox.

> Another way to handle your desire to keep account a hidden is to
> make a reply template that checks the recipient address (a, b,
> or c) and replies from the appropriate account. Just add
> "%ACCOUNT="a, b, or c" in the reply template.

My solution is for one account in TB to download all mail from the
POP mailbox for my two domains. Incoming mail filters direct the
messages to folders in the relevant TB accounts. This means
replies are from the correct account. It also sounds more
efficient to filter the mail just once.


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Re: Selective Download Filters

[Doug Higby]

Hello Chris,

Wednesday, August 1, 2007, 10:38:39 PM, you wrote:

> Or, perhaps there is a better way to do what I want to do...

> I have one real account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two other account [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED] and
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] have 
> mailboxes that are checkable
> on a server somewhere; both are forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I 
> don't
> want people to know the the message has been forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> So,
> I though that I'd create three accounts and use selective download
> filters to ignore the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] messages when 
> checking as
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and select the appropriate messages for the other two
> accounts. At the moment, I have incoming filters for [EMAIL PROTECTED] the 
> move
> the messages to the correct account. However, I have to write my
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming filters in [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Confused yet? I am.

Selective download filter for each account that reads:

Recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The others will be left in the box to be collected by the other
accounts.

I am confused when you say the other accounts aren't "checkable".
This would mean you couldn't really send from that address either.

Another way to handle your desire to keep account a hidden is to make
a reply template that checks the recipient address (a, b, or c) and
replies from the appropriate account. Just add "%ACCOUNT="a, b, or c"
in the reply template.

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Selective Download Filters

[Chris W .]

Is there anyway to use a selective download filter to select only
those messages that I want downloaded. I can only see a way to select
messages NOT to download.

Or, perhaps there is a better way to do what I want to do...

I have one real account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two other account [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] have 
mailboxes that are checkable
on a server somewhere; both are forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I don't
want people to know the the message has been forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So,
I though that I'd create three accounts and use selective download
filters to ignore the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] messages when 
checking as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and select the appropriate messages for the other two
accounts. At the moment, I have incoming filters for [EMAIL PROTECTED] the move
the messages to the correct account. However, I have to write my
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] incoming filters in [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Confused yet? I am.

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

> yes. OK. I made a test; subject contains xyzzy then KILL.

> but, this is seemingly useless in that
> the offending message remains on server (forever)
...
> I was able to see that (using dispatcher window) that the Read became
> unchecked.

I just see I had an error in my last mail. Not the "read" but the
"receive" flag is unchecked! Is it really the "read" flag that get's
deactivated when you check dispatcher?

> And as I said, that particular test message is still on my server
> having been neither D/L'd not deleted by the dispatcher. So, in any
> case, I still have to manually deal with a server-side message that I
> do not want not like.

Here the "delete" flag is still active for the matching messages...so
when activating the dispatching process the message is not received but
deleted on the server. Don't know why your messages stays on the
server even though the delete flag is (or at least should be) still
active...?

> And, I still can not select for a gross size and delete them.

Agreed, this option is still missing. So far the selective download
works only for word-matching. Why there is no option for size
selecting is beyond my knowledge.

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Robert D.]

It is said that Martin Schuster concocted the following rebuttal : '
M> Hello Robert,

>> Martin Schuster waved a wand then said : '

M> hehe, did I? ;-)

indeed, you did, then the message turned to a frog.

M> An example maybe says more: I have a selective download filter
M> "Subject contains any of [some typical spam words]" with action
M> "kill".


yes. OK. I made a test; subject contains xyzzy then KILL.

but, this is seemingly useless in that
the offending message remains on server (forever)

also noted, as said before, the statistics tab never indicates if the
filter was tried. All remains a zero.

I was able to see that (using dispatcher window) that the Read became
unchecked.

And as I said, that particular test message is still on my server
having been neither D/L'd not deleted by the dispatcher. So, in any
case, I still have to manually deal with a server-side message that I
do not want not like.

And, I still can not select for a gross size and delete them. I see,
on my server right now, ten or eleven half-meg fido pictures from nice
people who can not slenderize their mega-pixel shots of their lovable
dogs . then ship them as attachments to a list I am (was) on.

So, IMHO , Selective Download is pointless in that she has no teeth
and can only  wave noodles at server-side emails rather than a fully
charged Wand backed by a book with excellent spells therein.


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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

> Martin Schuster waved a wand then said : '

M>> Try activating the dispatcher:\

hehe, did I? ;-)

> I put a nonsense filter under the Selective Download tab. It looks to
> see if qwerty is in the Sender position.

> When I hit shift-ctrl-F2, I see the *Read*  is still checked. I also
> never see  Statistics Tab *Tested* going above Zero.

> That, according to you, means the selective download filter is never
> checked/activated

Maybe I misunderstand, but did any of the mails contain "qwerty" ?
Only then would the read flag be unchecked in dispatcher. So I think
your result is correct: none of the mails was filtered (why "tested"
is not incremented I don't know).

An example maybe says more: I have a selective download filter
"Subject contains any of [some typical spam words]" with action
"kill". So if any mail contains one of those words its read flag is
deactivated in dispatcher by default. Works 100% here. No more
"enlarge your..."-mails here ;-)

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Robert D.]

Martin Schuster waved a wand then said : '

M> Try activating the dispatcher:\

I put a nonsense filter under the Selective Download tab. It looks to
see if qwerty is in the Sender position.

When I hit shift-ctrl-F2, I see the *Read*  is still checked. I also
never see  Statistics Tab *Tested* going above Zero.

That, according to you, means the selective download filter is never
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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

> Also, now that I am playing around trying to make a Selective DL
> Filter ... just how does one invoke Selective Download so that one may
> verify operation of S-D/L filters?

Try activating the dispatcher: for mails where the selective download
filter would be activated the "read" flag is automatically
unchecked!

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Robert,

On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:34:11 -0400 GMT (17/05/2006, 10:34 +0700 GMT),
Robert D. wrote:

RD> Also, now that I am playing around trying to make a Selective DL
RD> Filter ... just how does one invoke Selective Download so that one may
RD> verify operation of S-D/L filters? I tried Alt & Shift and Ctrl D/L
RD> but don't really have an indication if the Selective DL filter is
RD> firing ,,, in that the statistics tab on said Selective D/L Filter
RD> still shows zero/Zed

I really don't know. It's been a long time since I used one, and at
that time filter actions still weren't logged. Maybe someone else can
assist.

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Robert D.]

Recently, Thomas Fernandez squawked : '


T> Why not? Main menu: Account / Sorting Office / Selective Download.
T> What do you see there?


Also, now that I am playing around trying to make a Selective DL
Filter ... just how does one invoke Selective Download so that one may
verify operation of S-D/L filters? I tried Alt & Shift and Ctrl D/L
but don't really have an indication if the Selective DL filter is
firing ,,, in that the statistics tab on said Selective D/L Filter
still shows zero/Zed


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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Robert D.]

It is said that Thomas Fernandez concocted the following rebuttal : '

T> That's not the despatcher's job; Selective Download filters do
T> that.

Well, Thomas, I figured since I use the dispatcher to see a message
TB! tells me is over the size to download that TB! knows the size and
thus can also filter on the size. See below ... I mixed the two

T> Why not? Main menu: Account / Sorting Office / Selective Download.
T> What do you see there?


OK ... I see it ... I was kind of mixing Mail Dispatcher and Selective
Download into the same bag. Wrong on my part ... However, I still see
I can not make a criteria the "Size" of the intended message to
filter.

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Robert,

On Tue, 16 May 2006 18:34:05 -0400 GMT (17/05/2006, 05:34 +0700 GMT),
Robert D. wrote:

RD> I would like to run the mail dispatcher and {IF} it sees mail from a
RD> certain list {AND} the mail size is over 30k {THEN} delete it {ELSE}
RD> download the email in this account's Inbox on the server.

That's not the despatcher's job; Selective Download filters do that.

RD> I can't seem to find a way to do that; no references to Size;
RD> seemingly no way to make a filter under the 'Selective Download'
RD> name in the account's tree.

Why not? Main menu: Account / Sorting Office / Selective Download.
What do you see there?

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(Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Robert D.]

I would like to run the mail dispatcher and {IF} it sees mail from a
certain list {AND} the mail size is over 30k {THEN} delete it {ELSE}
download the email in this account's Inbox on the server.

I can't seem to find a way to do that; no references to Size;
seemingly no way to make a filter under the 'Selective Download' name
in the account's  tree.

There's this one list where gabby dog people send 500k pictures of
Fido. Some do it, certainly not all, but it's driving me nutso and I'd
like to automatically KILL it if it's that large.


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Selective download, Manual filter only

[Vili]

Hello all,

Sorting Office, Selective Download filters, Options pane:
Use this filter for manual re-filtering only...

Isnt it a bug? I mean how can someone invoke a Selective download
filter? And why would he do that?

Am I overlooking something?

Thx for answers! As I get the digest version, for this question I
would appreciate if CC come to private :) I am anxious to learn the
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Re[8]: help with selective download

[Vili]

V>> I  know that, but instead of this, I offered an other solution. I
V>> just wanted  to  point  out  that David (the original question
V>> asker) wrote that  : "Of course, I've set it up this way and it
V>> works perfectly and wondrously.  And  email sent to both of us is
V>> also being downloaded by both  of  us,  which  is  especially
V>> wonderful." It was not mentioned before, that the dual-recipient
V>> mails stays on the server...
DH> I have The Bat! set to keep email on the server for a number of days.
DH> And I assume that since I'm having the email of both of us sent to one
DH> fastmail.fm account, that the fastmail.fm must be getting two copies
DH> of any email sent to both of us (though i don't know that for sure,
DH> and even though the fastmail.fm inbox doesn't show it when I check it
DH> through the browser, it seems to make sense that there are two copies
DH> of the email).

Start Mail Dispatcher and check it. You dont have to guess... :)

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Re: help with selective download

[MFPA]

Hi

On Friday 17 June 2005 at 8:59:15 PM, in
, David Huber wrote:

> And I assume that since I'm having the email of both of us sent to one
> fastmail.fm account, that the fastmail.fm must be getting two copies
> of any email sent to both of us (though i don't know that for sure,
> and even though the fastmail.fm inbox doesn't show it when I check it
> through the browser, it seems to make sense that there are two copies
> of the email).

The penny has finally dropped for me with that one, too.

Does the server keep both copies, or delete one because they
(presumably) both have the same message-id?

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Re[7]: help with selective download

[David Huber]

On Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 7:55:12 PM, Vili wrote, and now David
Huber on Friday, June 17, 2005 at 2:52:51 PM responds.

V> I  know that, but instead of this, I offered an other solution. I
V> just wanted  to  point  out  that David (the original question
V> asker) wrote that  : "Of course, I've set it up this way and it
V> works perfectly and wondrously.  And  email sent to both of us is
V> also being downloaded by both  of  us,  which  is  especially
V> wonderful." It was not mentioned before, that the dual-recipient
V> mails stays on the server...

I have The Bat! set to keep email on the server for a number of days.
And I assume that since I'm having the email of both of us sent to one
fastmail.fm account, that the fastmail.fm must be getting two copies
of any email sent to both of us (though i don't know that for sure,
and even though the fastmail.fm inbox doesn't show it when I check it
through the browser, it seems to make sense that there are two copies
of the email). And hence, we're both able to download it.

I should experiment and see what happens if I change my Bat! so that
it doesn't leave the message on the server, and see if person2 still
gets a copy.

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Re[6]: help with selective download

[Vili]

Hello Stuart,

V>> How can it work for emails that is sent to both of you?
V>> As the above rule is false of emails sent to both of you, person1 will
V>> download  it. How can person2 download it then later? If your setup is
V>> symmetric,  the  download cannot be symmetric as the ACCESS TIME (when
V>> you check your mail) is not symmetric... Information theory  
SC> You  can  just  set  it to leave a copy on the server. Then set it for
SC> Leave for x days and it will be deleted after that period of time.

I  know that, but instead of this, I offered an other solution. I just
wanted  to  point  out  that David (the original question asker) wrote
that  : "Of course, I've set it up this way and it works perfectly and
wondrously.  And  email sent to both of us is also being downloaded by
both  of  us,  which  is  especially  wonderful." It was not mentioned
before, that the dual-recipient mails stays on the server...

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Re: help with selective download

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 16 June 2005 at 2:18:52 PM, in
, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> You  can  just  set  it to leave a copy on the server. Then set it for
> Leave for x days and it will be deleted after that period of time.

And on occasions when one person is absent for more than x days...

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Re: help with selective download

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 15 June 2005 at 11:02:26 AM, in
, Vili wrote:

> So,   if   you   get  a  mail  that  is  sent  to  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  AND
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],  the quickest person will download it, so, you have to
> setup an incoming filter to redirect this kind of mails:

Unless they have option set to leave emails on server for x days.
Then they would both download it (unless one is absent for more
than x days).

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Re[5]: help with selective download

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Vili,
Thursday, June 16, 2005, 4:29:04 AM, you wrote:

V> How can it work for emails that is sent to both of you?

V> As the above rule is false of emails sent to both of you, person1 will
V> download  it. How can person2 download it then later? If your setup is
V> symmetric,  the  download cannot be symmetric as the ACCESS TIME (when
V> you check your mail) is not symmetric... Information theory  

You  can  just  set  it to leave a copy on the server. Then set it for
Leave for x days and it will be deleted after that period of time.

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Re[4]: help with selective download

[Vili]

DH>> Stuart Cuddy wrote:
SC>>>  Could you not set the filter to: Recipient "Does Not Contain"
SC>>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] then Ignore.
DH>> Ah,  well,  that is so utterly an obvious solution that I am most
DH>> embarrassed.  Of  course,  I've  set  it up this way and it works
DH>> perfectly  and  wondrously.  And email sent to both of us is also
DH>> being downloaded by both of us, which is especially wonderful.

How can it work for emails that is sent to both of you?

As the above rule is false of emails sent to both of you, person1 will
download  it. How can person2 download it then later? If your setup is
symmetric,  the  download cannot be symmetric as the ACCESS TIME (when
you check your mail) is not symmetric... Information theory :)

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Re[3]: help with selective download

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello David,
Wednesday, June 15, 2005, 11:27:29 AM, you wrote:

DH> Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SC>>  Could you not set the filter to: Recipient "Does Not Contain"
SC>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] then Ignore.

DH> Ah, well, that is so utterly an obvious solution that I am most
DH> embarrassed. Of course, I've set it up this way and it works perfectly
DH> and wondrously. And email sent to both of us is also being downloaded
DH> by both of us, which is especially wonderful.

DH> Thanks for pointing out the elephant in front of my nose!!

DH> TBUDL rocks!

Happy to be of assistance. :)

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Re[2]: help with selective download

[David Huber]

Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SC>  Could you not set the filter to: Recipient "Does Not Contain"
SC>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] then Ignore.

Ah, well, that is so utterly an obvious solution that I am most
embarrassed. Of course, I've set it up this way and it works perfectly
and wondrously. And email sent to both of us is also being downloaded
by both of us, which is especially wonderful.

Thanks for pointing out the elephant in front of my nose!!

TBUDL rocks!


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Re: help with selective download

[MAU]

Hello Stuart,

DH>> Any thoughts on how to solve this problem in The Bat!?
> 
>  Could you not set the filter to:
>  Recipient "Does Not Contain" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  then Ignore.

Yes, I agree that should work.

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Re: help with selective download

[Vili]

DH> So I am [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I have my filter set to ignore all
DH> email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DH> My office mate, [EMAIL PROTECTED], has hers set to ignore all email to
DH> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DH> Mostly this works perfectly, except for when someone sends email to
DH> both of us - then The Bat! on both our computer ignores it, and
DH> neither of us downloads it, which has caused some problems today.

It is easy to solve:
Your Selective download filter should look like:

Ignore if
Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AND Recipient does not contain [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your coworker's Selective download filter should look like:

Ignore if
Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AND Recipient does not contain [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So,   if   you   get  a  mail  that  is  sent  to  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  AND
[EMAIL PROTECTED],  the quickest person will download it, so, you have to
setup an incoming filter to redirect this kind of mails:

Your Incoming filter (move to the top and make it Continue processing
with other filters... check) should look like:

If Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] then
Redirect message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your coworker's Incoming filter (move to the top and make it Continue processing
with other filters... check) should look like:

If Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] then
Redirect message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: help with selective download

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello David,
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 12:50:43 PM, you wrote:

DH> Any thoughts on how to solve this problem in The Bat!?

 Could you not set the filter to:
 Recipient "Does Not Contain" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 then Ignore.

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Re: help with selective download

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:50:43 -0500 GMT (15/06/2005, 00:50 +0700 GMT),
David Huber wrote:

DH> Selective Download, for some myopic reason, only allows one to ignore
DH> or kill an email - there is no setting to say "please download this
DH> one", which would solve our problem. It would be much easier to have a
DH> selective download that says "download all email to person1" instead
DH> of having to say "ignore all email to person2".

That's a good suggestion.

DH> Of course, the simplest solution is to get another fastmail account
DH> and have one of our email addresses directed to that account, which is
DH> the most efficient way, though to this engineer not the most elegant
DH> (or cost-conscious) solution.

Au contraire, I think redirecting them to different addresses is the
most elegant solution.

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help with selective download

[David Huber]

We have two of us in my office who get email on our own domain, but
which is hosted at fastmail.fm, so the domain is sort of virtual. All
email sent to us is redirected to one fastmail.fm account. I set up
The Bat! on both our computers, and use selective download on each one
to ignore each other's emails:

So I am [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I have my filter set to ignore all
email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My office mate, [EMAIL PROTECTED], has hers set to ignore all email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mostly this works perfectly, except for when someone sends email to
both of us - then The Bat! on both our computer ignores it, and
neither of us downloads it, which has caused some problems today.

Selective Download, for some myopic reason, only allows one to ignore
or kill an email - there is no setting to say "please download this
one", which would solve our problem. It would be much easier to have a
selective download that says "download all email to person1" instead
of having to say "ignore all email to person2".

Of course, the simplest solution is to get another fastmail account
and have one of our email addresses directed to that account, which is
the most efficient way, though to this engineer not the most elegant
(or cost-conscious) solution.

And I could also just have both of us download all email, and set up a
filter to trash any email that wasn't intended for us, but that's not
efficient or elegant either.

Any thoughts on how to solve this problem in The Bat!?



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Re: selective download filter

[Chris]

rich gregory @ 2005-Feb-21 1:21:12 PM
"selective download filter" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I would like a selective download filter that looks for and deletes
> any mssg with " meds " (note the leading and trailing spaces) in
> both headers & bodies.

> Will the selective download filter drop the trailing (or leading)
> space if I do not specify it in some special way?

All I did was put the whole string in quotes:
" meds "

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [E2BFF515.01C51842.5249C05F.25A241E0]
Name: Delete\20meds
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`6`0`\22\20meds\20\22\0D\0A}
SetColour -184288337
IsActive
endFilter

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Re: selective download filter

[Allie]

Hi rich,
 On 21/02/2005 01:21 PM, you wrote:

> I would like a selective download filter that looks for and deletes
> any mssg with " meds " (note the leading and trailing spaces) in both
> headers & bodies.
> 
> Will the selective download filter drop the trailing (or leading)
> space if I do not specify it in some special way?

You would need to specify a regular expression for that.

\smeds\s

That should do it. The \s means a space character.

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Full sync not working (was Re: selective download with IMAP)

[ken green]

> Is there a way to select a group of messages (or even one folder) and
> download message bodies?

OK... I tried to do a full sync on some folders and after two AVs
decided to try one folder at a time.  After setting the folder option
to Full messages and syncing that folder, I thought all was good.
(folder in question had just over 1000 messages).

But when I went to read some of the messages in Mailbag Archive, many
of them were blank (headers only).  Upon checking these specific
messages in TB, sure enough, only headers are downloaded.

Before I report this as a bug, can someone please confirm this for me?
It's possible I just don't fully understand the way TB is syncing with
IMAP folders.  For example, do I need to show all messages when
peforming a full sync (no threading)?

What is the difference between "Full Messages" and "Headers and Text"?
Is it only the flags? What else does a message contain besides its
state (flags), headers and text?

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selective download with IMAP

[ken green]

Is there a way to select a group of messages (or even one folder) and
download message bodies?  Sort of like selective download with the
Dispatcher, I suppose.

For the account I use for mail lists, (using IMAP) I sync headers
only.  I'd like to be able to select a group of messages or a whole
folder and download the full message bodies to be able to archive
messages in Mailbag Assistant and clean up my IMAP folders.

I'm really hoping there is a way to do this by selecting messages - I
realize that I could probably temporarily switch a folder to sync full
messages. But that means have to remember to switch back and for large
folders, I may not want to sync the whole folder at one time.

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Re[2]: Selective download move from an account to another !

[WilWilWil]

==Original message text===
From: Alexander S. Kunz 
To: WilWilWil 
Date: Monday, October 11, 2004, 1:49:06 PM
Subject: Selective download move from an account to another !
ASK> Btw. do you have a realname too? :)
===End of original message text===
My real name is Wil.

On the World Wide Web (www), some friends decide it will become WilWilWil and I've 
thought "why not" ! :-)

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Re: Selective download move from an account to another !

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello WilWilWil,

Monday, October 11, 2004, 1:07:47 PM, you wrote:

> I definitively don't trust in TB3 new filter system anymore !

A lot of bugs are fixed in version 3.0.1 ... you just have to be
patient for a couple of days, or maybe hours even, only.

Btw. do you have a realname too? :)

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Selective download move from an account to another !

[WilWilWil]

Io,

I use 5 accounts in TB 3.

This morning, I've seen than my selective download filter from account 1 move (not 
copy) to account 6.

In the past I've seen the same problem but thought it was an error of copy/paste from 
myself.

But this time, I do nothing with filters since weeks, so I can't have done a bad thing 
!

I definitively don't trust in TB3 new filter system anymore !


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Big problem with filters : selective download with TB3

[WilWilWil]

Io,

I had an indispensable filter on V2 that doesn't work anymore with V3 and it is a 
disaster for me because i receive hundreds of mails I don't want.

My filter is a selective download based on a file on my personal folder. This filter 
was OK with V2. I didn't change anything and install V3 over V2. Now this filter 
doesn't work !

Here are the settings in filter parameters box :
Panel Type :    selective download (last type on the left)

Panel General : Name = myfilter
condition = "Sender" + "contains" + a field with nothing in it.

Panel Action :  "Kill"
"Load Signal strings from the file" : checkbox is checked
File field name = "C:\Program Files\wil.the_bat\my 
rules\personnal rules.txt"  this file contains one address mail a  
  line.

Panel Option :  "Filter is active" is checked



Nothing more !

What's wrong ? What can I do to make this selective download based on my file with 
banned address working OK ?

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Possible bug: selective download filters

[Terry]

Hi all,

I have a selective download filter set to "Ignore" certain messages. I
assumed that meant that the messages would stay on the server until I
used the dispatcher to delete them. This isn't what is happening.

Here's what does seems to be happening (I'm using a test account
and sending messages to that account, so no other mail is
interfering.):

The messages are being filtered correctly. The log indicates the
presence of a message in the mailbox.

 2/12/2004, 11:36:12: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 0 new
 2/12/2004, 11:36:12: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

On the next check, the log indicates that the message is still there.

 2/12/2004, 11:39:12: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 0 new

On the third check, the message is gone!

 2/12/2004, 11:42:11: FETCH - 0 messages in the mailbox, 0 new

I've used the mail dispatcher to look at the e-mail in various stages
without automatic checking. On first check, the e-mail is there with
only the read flag checked. On the second dispatcher check, the read
and *delete* flags are checked. *I wouldn't expect that the delete
flag would be checked.* By the third dispatcher check, of course, the
e-mail's been deleted because the flag was checked.

My settings on the account are to "Delete received messages from
server." Since these aren't received messages, I wouldn't expect them
to be deleted, whether through automatic checking or through the use
of the dispatcher.

I could, of course, use the "Keep messages on server" option. The
messages aren't removed, but then no messages are removed. That
defeats the purpose, IMHO, since the account I want to use the filter
on gets a large amount of e-mail daily and I don't want to wade
through all of the e-mail to find the ones that are ignored.

I've read the help files, but there's not much guidance there.  Is
this behavior some kind of bug, or is this by design?

I've also noticed that the results from the Selective Download filters
(whether set to kill or ignore) don't appear in the log. Is this
normal?

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Selective Download for Sobig.C virus

[daniel hahler]

Hello all,

I'd like to put up a selective download filter to kill Sobig.C virus'
messages on the server.
I found a list of possible subjects at
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/sober_c.shtml, but would like to take
care of other informations (like Recipient address) in the header,
too.

but AFAICS this is not possible.

I now have a list of subjects, that I'd like to link with another set
of strings. This could be made possible with another tab besides
"Rule", like "Additional Rules". So I could have a list of recipients
there.

IIRC there was a new Filtering System announced a while ago, which
would provide global filters, for all accounts and such needful
things. I think the improvement of the Selective Download filter
should happen together with that, provided that it does not take that
long.


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Re[2]: Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download filter action?

[Constance Britten]

Hello Melissa,

Thank you for your post!

Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 4:20:18 PM, you wrote:

MR> You might try asking some questions at the "TBTECH" list, where there
MR> seem to be many regex experts.

I wasn't sure if I should "escalate" my problem to the tech list but on your 
recommendation I will post there.

(BTW nice headers -- they've inspired me, and now I'm thinking I might do "Die 
Fledermaus".  And after all, it's the right time of year for it.)
;-)

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Re: Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download filter action?

[Melissa Reese]

Hi Constance,

On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 2:53:53 PM PST, you wrote:

> Do you happen to be using regular expressions in Selective Download
> filter(s)? If not, do you know of anyone who is using regular
> expressions in Selective Download filters who might be willing to
> assist me?

You might try asking some questions at the "TBTECH" list, where there
seem to be many regex experts.  If you haven't already, here's the
subscription mailto:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download filter action?

[Constance Britten]

Hello Chris,

Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 1:30:23 PM, you wrote:

C> Status:  U
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C> On Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 2:30:46 PM, Constance Britten wrote
C> in the message "Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download
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>> I do have 20+ years experience writing regular expressions for a
>> number of utilities under various flavors of UNIX. But this is a new
Hi Chris --

Thank you so much for your post!

C> Unfortunately, each application seems to have its own "flavor" of
C> regular expressions.

Yes, most definitely!


C> Have you tried look in the help for the proper syntax? Open help and
C> in the index, search for "Regular Expressions." There is a section in
C> there entitled "Differences from Perl" that may help you.

Yes, I spent many hours with the help.  Unfortunately, that section proved to be 
unhelpful to me w.r.t. getting my filter to work.

Do you happen to be using regular expressions in Selective Download filter(s)?  If 
not, do you know of anyone who is using regular expressions in Selective Download 
filters who might be willing to assist me?

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Re: Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download filter action?

[Chris]

On Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 2:30:46 PM, Constance Britten wrote
in the message "Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download
filter action?" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I do have 20+ years experience writing regular expressions for a
> number of utilities under various flavors of UNIX. But this is a new
> application to me and so the nuances of any special syntax rules The
> Bat! may require are more-than-likely what are escaping me at the
> moment.
Unfortunately, each application seems to have its own "flavor" of
regular expressions.

Have you tried look in the help for the proper syntax? Open help and
in the index, search for "Regular Expressions." There is a section in
there entitled "Differences from Perl" that may help you.

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Re: Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download filter action?

[Constance Britten]

Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 11:30:46 AM, I wrote:

CB> I do have 20+ years experience writing regular expressions
CB> for a number of utilities under various flavors of UNIX. But this
CB> is a new application to me and so the nuances of any special
CB> syntax rules The Bat! may require are more-than-likely what are
CB> escaping me at the moment.

On second read that paragraph sounds pretty arrogant, particularly considering that I 
have also had 20+ years of experiencing issues where it turned out that my brain had 
apparently decided to take the day off!  I may very well be overlooking something 
obvious.  Please help!

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Does Message Dispatcher reflect Selective Download filter action?

[Constance Britten]

Hello Bat-friends*,

I am attempting to troubleshoot a regular expression filter in Selective Download and 
I am wondering if I should see the results in the Message Dispatcher window.  That is, 
if I have selected "Kill" for the filter action, those messages that have been 
successfully filtered  will have their "Delete" box checked.  Can anyone tell me if 
this is indeed the case?

This morning I upgraded my software to "CE", thinking that perhaps my two-month-old 
copy was simply not working properly.  Unfortunately, that did not help.

The "Subject" line I am attempting to filter appears as the 21st header line in the 
messages I am attempting to kill.  Thus  appeared for the Subject in the Message 
 Dispatcher window until I increased the "Message body lines to download with header" 
value in the Account Properties to 25.  I am wondering if I'm having difficulties 
because the Selective Download filter only works on 20 (or fewer) header lines -- can 
anyone confirm whether or not this might be the case?

Finally -- if anyone has successfully used regular expressions in their Selective 
Download filter(s), I would love to discuss the bitter details in this forum.  I spent 
many, many hours yesterday reading the help and searching these and the tech archives 
and attempting to apply what little I was able to find there w.r.t. this issue, all 
without success.

I do have 20+ years experience writing regular expressions for a number of utilities 
under various flavors of UNIX. But this is a new application to me and so the nuances 
of any special syntax rules The Bat! may require are more-than-likely what are 
escaping me at the moment.

I am using The Bat! version 2.02.3 CE under Windows 98SE.

I would be immensely grateful for any assistance with this!

And my thanks to all who have read this far.

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selective download of messages with attachments from server using filters

[Vishal]

Hi,

This is related to another question I just posted. I retrieve my Yahoo mail
via web2pop. However, any attachments I receive are in the form of 1.msg files
that I cannot open. I usually delete messages from the server when I download
them, but I'd like to create a filter that leaves messages on the server if
they have attachments or are forwards. How could I do this? The filter options
offered no clue, so a first (very quick) guess at how to do it was:

1. create one filter for all messages with the options "message does not have
attachments" and "delete from server" checked. The account properties would
have to be modified to leave mail on the server.
2. create a second filter for all messages with the option "message has
attchments" checked and "delete from server" unchecked.

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Re: Selective Download inconsistencies

[Peter Asenbauer]

Hi ken,

Saturday, September 27, 2003, 4:16:56 AM, you wrote:

> I am going to create separate files for ignore_subject, ignore_from,
> kill_subject, kill_from, etc..

> Is this what other people are doing?

This is what I am doing. However, I'm not ignoring, but deleting
unwanted messages. Having accidently (and still not knowing why)
deleted a non-spam-msg of minor importance I have now activated the
automatic mail dispatcher every time I check mail (for the account
involved).

Btw:

You may remember someone on the list once mentioned killfiling mail
that has an "X-MSMail-Priority:" flag in the header *and* mentions
"X-Mailer: The Bat" in the headers, because TB!-maild doesn't show
this combination. I checked may spam and now I'm also killing messages
with the "X-MSMail-Priority:" flag *plus* any of the following strings
in the header:

X-Mailer: The Bat
X-Mailer: CyberCreek Avalanche Millennium
X-Mailer: AOL
X-Mailer: McSyn Mailer Pro
X-Mailer: MMailer
Windows Eudora
X-Mailer: MIME-tools
X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster
X-Mailer: xp rveys
X-Mailer: superx-mailer

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Re[2]: Selective Download inconsistencies

[Neal Laugman]

Ken,

Friday, September 26, 2003, 6:16:56 PM, you wrote:

kg> Well, no one else seems to be responding  so I will.

Did you not get the off-list email I sent you within 10 minutes of
your request of me?

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Re: Multiple Responses re. Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

Joseph N. wrote:
> * To Ken:
> You've probably already fixed your situation, but the signal string I
> was using for selective downloads is the one I posted with my initial
> query.

Maybe I am misreading the Help system, but I thought that Selective
Download did not allow TB's 'special syntax' - so I don't understand the
prefixes you are using in your list (MainSet:)

How does:
MainSet: microsoft
MainSet: Internet
MainSet: critical

Differ from:
   microsoft
   Internet
   critical
  ??


> It was only about 65% effective, so I have switched
> strategies.  I am now filtering at the ISP level for all messages over
> a certain size.  Since I only use this address for newsgroups and
> mailing lists, it should work fine; at least, it has been working so
> far today


Has that method been consistent? I tried this too, and it has worked for
the Swen.A messages so far. I set my threshold at 90K. But for some
reason, it still allowed a 110K message through. ??

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Re: Selective Download inconsistencies

[ken green]

> I am concerned that my Selected Download filters aren't working right.


Well, no one else seems to be responding  so I will.

I think part of my problem may be that I'm using filter strings with the
'Entire Header' option checked.  Many of the strings I was using were
really only appropriate filters for subject lines or from.

I am going to create separate files for ignore_subject, ignore_from,
kill_subject, kill_from, etc..

Is this what other people are doing?

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Selective Download inconsistencies

[ken green]

I am concerned that my Selected Download filters aren't working right. I
had been expecting to receive a software registration e-mail sometime
today and when it had not yet arrived, I checked the server using the
Dispatcher. Sure enough, it was there - marked read, but not marked to
receive.

I use the same Selective Download settings for all accounts, which
checks all headers (I have a spamkill.txt file and a spamignore.txt
file). Thinking that it might be an over-zealous ignore file, I looked
through the message header to see if I could spot anything that might
trigger an "ignore" - not download.

I couldn't find anything.  Then I copied the message to a different
account's Outbox and sent it that way.  And the message came through.  I
tried redirecting as well, and there was no problem - I received the
message as expected.

So this leads me to believe that there must be something unique in the
headers of the original message to cause the trigger.  But I copied the
headers from the original message (which was ignored) and pasted them
above the headers from the message that was redirected, and (as
expected), they were very similar.

I looked over the lines that were different and couldn't see anything
that matched any of the signal strings in my ignore file. What concerns
me is how easily I could have assumed all the messages had already been
received, and just deleted everything.

Anyone else experienced this?

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Re[2]: Multiple Responses re. Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Joseph N.]

   On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote in
:

RO> Thus stating that if you're using single quotation marks, the pipe
RO> character will be taken literally and not as a separator between
RO> alternatives.

Roelof,

(spoken softly, with slightly sunken head) Oh

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Re: Multiple Responses re. Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Joseph,

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:01:54 -0500GMT (24-9-03, 21:01 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Because of the single quotation marks

JN> But the TB! help file specifically says to use single quotation marks:

JN> Pipe character "|" can be used when the signal string contains
JN> ...
JN> Any text containing the special characters mentioned above
JN> must be enclosed in single quotes

Thus stating that if you're using single quotation marks, the pipe
character will be taken literally and not as a separator between
alternatives.

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Multiple Responses re. Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Joseph N.]

Thanks to all those who replied to my query about selective download
filter syntax.  Ironically, I received none of the replies, because
TBUDL blocked my mail due to excessive bounces from my ISP, which in
turn was due to my mailbox constantly becoming full from Swen.A
messages.

I have now fixed that problem and am back in the flow. So here, a tad
late, are a few responses:

* To Roelof:

> Because of the single quotation marks

But the TB! help file specifically says to use single quotation marks:

---Begin Text---
...
Pipe character "|" can be used when the signal string contains
two alternatives. For example, string John|Jack means that the
filter will search for John OR Jack in the specified location.
If either is present, the search is successful. If neither are
present, the search fails.
...
Any text containing the special characters mentioned above
must be enclosed in single quotes
---End Text---

* To Ken:

You've probably already fixed your situation, but the signal string I
was using for selective downloads is the one I posted with my initial
query.  It was only about 65% effective, so I have switched
strategies.  I am now filtering at the ISP level for all messages over
a certain size.  Since I only use this address for newsgroups and
mailing lists, it should work fine; at least, it has been working so
far today

* To zParticle:

Thanks for the helpful cross-ref to the Agent NG.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

zParticle wrote:
> As discussed in the Agent newsgroup, a regular expression filter on
> these two strings catches 99% of these:
>   Content-Type: multipart/(mixed|alternative);
>   boundary\="([a-z][a-z]*)"


Thank you very much for that reference.  I need to brush up on regex.

Just to be clear: are you talking about using those filters above with
Selective Download or regular Incoming filters?

AVG steps in before TB processes any Incoming filters.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[zParticle]

ken green wrote:

>Also (to Joseph N.) - I am currently dealing with the same virus e-mails
>you are filtering for.  Problem is, every time I think I got a domain
>and/or subject line variation in my spamkill text file, another variant
>shows up.

A comprehensive list is available here, at least until another variant
shows up:
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/swen.shtml

As discussed in the Agent newsgroup, a regular expression filter on
these two strings catches 99% of these:
  Content-Type: multipart/(mixed|alternative);
  boundary\="([a-z][a-z]*)"

To catch the rest, you'll need to relax or tweak the boundary
expression a bit, as some contain nonalpha characters.
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Re[2]: Selective download / filter

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Greetings Allie,

On Monday, September 22, 2003, 10:25:24 PM, you wrote:

Allie> Manually scanning all incoming mail with the dispatcher ... more work.

I absolutely agree with all your statements Allie. Why need I do the work
when another application or filter can do so?

Anyway ...

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Doug Weller]

Quoting Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

[SNIP]

> By now I am of the opinion that the ISP should delete Swen
> server-side. They should have an interest in eradicating it, as it is
> costing them a lot of bandwidth and therefore money, it annoys the
> users, and enough users might click on them and spread it further.
> 
> Two of my ISPs have now started using Interscan VirusWall (I am sure
> there are other products) and I merely get a message saying:
> 
> > Receiver, InterScan has detected virus(es) in the e-mail attachment.

My POP3/smtp provider (not my ISP0 puts email through 3 virus checkers, and I 
get a similar message.  As they are coming through at a rate of over 1 a minute 
it seems a good idea. But it's a paid option.

The impact of this volume on ISPs must be huge. I imagine some are cracking 
under the strain.

[NIP]

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:42:16 -0500 GMT (24/09/2003, 05:42 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

> I'm just looking for an easy way to do this with less work.

By now I am of the opinion that the ISP should delete Swen
server-side. They should have an interest in eradicating it, as it is
costing them a lot of bandwidth and therefore money, it annoys the
users, and enough users might click on them and spread it further.

Two of my ISPs have now started using Interscan VirusWall (I am sure
there are other products) and I merely get a message saying:

> Receiver, InterScan has detected virus(es) in the e-mail attachment.
> 
> Date:   Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:49:49 +0800
> Method: Mail
> From:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Inet User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> File:   fvxry.exe
> Action: deleted
> Virus:  WORM_SWEN.A 

I like that. I can also easily filter these messages into trash and
mark them read, so I don't even know any more whether Swen is still
coming in.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

Urban wrote:
> For some inspiration/ideas, you could do a deja [1] message posted to
> alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent by Alex Regh on 23 Sep 2003. The
> subject is "Filters to catch swen??" and the message-id
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you.  I found it very quickly.

By the way, to use the Google method of searching just click the
'Groups' tab in the Google toolbar.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Urban]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, ken green wrote:

> Joseph, would mind sending me your filters/kill file that you're using
> for the MS Network Security Update messages?  I can send you what I
> have if you want - maybe together we can get all variations.

For some inspiration/ideas, you could do a deja [1] message posted to
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent by Alex Regh on 23 Sep 2003.
The subject is "Filters to catch swen??" and the message-id
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Footnotes:
==

[1] I keep forgetting the google-adress, so I use the older
http://www.deja.com

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Re[2]: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Michael Thompson]

Hello ken,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, at 17:42:16 [GMT -0500] (which was 23:42 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




kg> Roelof Otten wrote:
JN>>> Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work?
JN>>> MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'

>> Because of the single quotation marks.



kg> I thought that Selective Download did not allow "special syntax" (this
kg> is the help file wording).  I can use pipe characters in selective
kg> download?!?! Wow.

You can use regular expressions. So | would be an or statement and ^
is line start etc
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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[ken green]

Roelof Otten wrote:
JN>> Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work?
JN>> MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'

> Because of the single quotation marks.



I thought that Selective Download did not allow "special syntax" (this
is the help file wording).  I can use pipe characters in selective
download?!?! Wow.

Also (to Joseph N.) - I am currently dealing with the same virus e-mails
you are filtering for.  Problem is, every time I think I got a domain
and/or subject line variation in my spamkill text file, another variant
shows up.

This would be simple if I could use a regular filter in Selective
Download: these are all coming to only one of my accounts. A simple to
not download a message with attachment would work in this case.

But the AVG plug-in keeps me from using a regular filter for this.  I
realize that's a good thing - AVG is jumping in first and finding the
virus.  But it's getting annoying getting the virus warning message 5-6
times a day.  Actually, as I've been updating my kill file, that number
is growing smaller.

I'm just looking for an easy way to do this with less work.

Joseph, would mind sending me your filters/kill file that you're using
for the MS Network Security Update messages?  I can send you what I have
if you want - maybe together we can get all variations.

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Re: Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Joseph,

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:21:13 -0500GMT (23-9-03, 21:21 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

JN> Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work?

JN> MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'

Because of the single quotation marks.

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Selective Download Filter Syntax

[Joseph N.]

Why does the first line of the signal string data below not work? It
seems to be constructed according to the help file, but it is
ineffective. The following single-word lines are effective, however.

MainSet: 'Microsoft|Internet|Critical|Update|Network'
MainSet: microsoft
MainSet: Internet
MainSet: critical
MainSet: update
MainSet: Inet
MainSet: MS
MainSet: patch

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Re[2]: Selective download / filter

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Monday, September 22, 2003 Allie wrote the following post:

DH>> I use it to avoid viruses as well as a trigger for following up
DH>> on important mail. I don't want to be checking my high number
DH>> of mailbox directories and don't use the ticker for the same
DH>> reason: The fact is, most of my mail is never read.

AM> You seem to spend a lot of time screening mail

Not at all. I've gotten quite good at spotting both things I want
and things I don't, in a flash.

AM> that you won't read.

Whether I read it or not depends on what I see on the Mail
Dispatcher. That saves me a lot of time.

AM> Of course, if you get accustomed to doing this, it seems just
AM> fine and I guess this is where our opinions differ.

I think we both can live with that. Generally though, I do put a lot
of stock in what you post. You're very consistent but in this case,
other valid mind sets also exists.

AM> With some filtering here, all important mail is filtered out
AM> either directly or indirectly. Not much of my mail comes from
AM> unknown sources. These are filtered to a particular folder.

I'd rather make my decisions on the fly (I find it more flexible),
be aware of what's coming in before it gets distributed and kill
spam and viruses on the server.

AM> Spam goes to another folder and is viewed only occasionally.
AM> Viruses to another folder with the use of NOD32 and very
AM> occasionally looked in.

You are obviously a very organized and orderly person. Perhaps your
profession makes you more protocol oriented though.

AM> I just find it perplexing that you consider using the dispatcher
AM> to look over all your mail is efficient.

I can assure you that my way of working with email is in no way
motived by a desire to perplex you.

You use the ticker, I use the mail dispatcher. Live and let live.

AM> Just the act of repeatedly interacting with the dispatcher, no
AM> matter the duration is distracting and intrusive.

I actually enjoy it. And I download almost all my mail manually,
spontaneously.

AM> If I thought it entirely subjective, I'd let the issue rest and
AM> say it's just a matter of taste.

AM> On a busy day, I'll entertain only those messages which are
AM> filtered to particular folders. I get a special sound
AM> notification for those. I safely ignore the rest. No scanning.

You are depending on the notification system you constructed, I am
looking at what's coming in as it's happening, which provides more
specific information.

AM> No updating of spam filters.

Actually, I rarely have to do that anymore and when I do, I just
leave the Spam.txt file open on the desktop for a while.

AM>  :) So if there's no important mail, I just keep working.
AM> Never checking the dispatcher to screen mail. It's all done
AM> automatically.

I understand that. It's OK, Allie.

M>>>> As I upgraded to ADSL now, I'd like to see what exactly is not
M>>>> downloaded, so I want to change my selective download filter
M>>>> into a "normal" filter that puts the stuff in a certain
M>>>> folder.

DH>> Including viruses?

AM> Why fear downloading viruses with TB!? If you were using Outlook
AM> I'd understand but with an application like TB!, this isn't
AM> really that great a concern. You could even use a plug-in that
AM> deletes infected messages or quarantines them if that made you
AM> more comfortable.

I have that. But it makes me give more time and attention to
following up on that. I don't want them on my computer, although we
have a mutual friend that collects them.

M>>>> Is there a way to use the signal file, containing all the
M>>>> known malicious mailers/domains, in a regular filter?

DH>> Aside from the selective download Spam and virus txt file, my
DH>> signal file is upgraded continuously and stored in my brain.

AM> Continuous maintenance ... work.

I eat rather well and my brain is updated automatically.

AM> Manually scanning all incoming mail with the dispatcher ... more
AM> work.

That way when I open a folder, I already know what I'm looking for.
Unless there's something there I know want to see, the folders stay
shut.

Different strokes by different folks.

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Re[2]: Selective download filters

[Douglas Hinds]

Jurgen, I sent the following to TBUDL twice earlier and yet it
hasn't been posted. I wonder why. Two other posts I sent were
posted, so I'm not being blocked out. Maybe if you redirect it, it
will go through.

Douglas



Hello Jurgen & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Monday, September 22, 2003 Jurgen responded to my saying the
following:

>> I link all accounts to the same text file, which I continue to
>> lengthen whenever new Spam mongers are found. This is much easier
>> that adding strings to each and every separate account.

JH> could you maybe share this file with me? I am going along the
JH> same line, and am always interested in catch-phrases :-)

Sure - I assume you want it sent directly to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I probably have a couple of versions, since I haven't been
transferring the strings added to the desktop computer's text file
to the laptop and vice versa, and I can't recall if I added the
strings that were put in each account's filter manager before
deciding to do a .txt file

But the main thing I wanted to say is that my most important
filtering device is my eyeball, and I can spot extraneous &
unexpected mail rather quickly. One of the major clues is the size
column, sine no virus is going to come in with a size like these
messages have.

For instance: I just manually killed two of Microsoft Patch viruses
on the server, one of which said "error message". It's also easy to
notice that the one that said "Microsoft" didn't in fact come from
Microsoft, as the headers showed. If the headers were correct, a
friend of mine in Guadalajara has an infected computer, so I'll drop
him a note to let him know.

The Spam file contains the usual words like mortgage, loan, viagra,
and sex as well as the domains these things came from, but I can
send it on if you really think it will do you any good.

The beauty of the Mail Dispatcher is the fact that I can review and
rectify all that comes in, so that some things marked for deletion
are downloaded, and some things marked for downloading are deleted.

In general however, the selective download filter and Spam.txt file
save me some time. This is why I hesitate to use a service that
figures out these things for me. I want to use my own judgement in
real time. For instance, I just downloaded one of those things from
Africa asking for help getting X millions of dollars out of the
country, just because it was so ingeniously written. (Obviously, I
have no intention on following through on that though, and I get
lots of these scams that are killed on the server).

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Re[2]: Selective download filters

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Jurgen & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Monday, September 22, 2003 Jurgen responded to my saying the
following:

>> I link all accounts to the same text file, which I continue to
>> lengthen whenever new Spam mongers are found. This is much easier
>> that adding strings to each and every separate account.

JH> could you maybe share this file with me? I am going along the
JH> same line, and am always interested in catch-phrases :-)

Sure - I assume you want it sent directly to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I probably have a couple of versions, since I haven't been
transferring the strings added to the desktop computer's text file
to the laptop and vice versa, and I can't recall if I added the
strings that were put in each account's filter manager before
deciding to do a .txt file

But the main thing I wanted to say is that my most important
filtering device is my eyeball, and I can spot extraneous &
unexpected mail rather quickly. One of the major clues is the size
column, sine no virus is going to come in with a size like these
messages have.

For instance: I just manually killed two of Microsoft Patch viruses
on the server, one of which said "error message". It's also easy to
notice that the one that said "Microsoft" didn't in fact come from
Microsoft, as the headers showed. If the headers were correct, a
friend of mine in Guadalajara has an infected computer, so I'll drop
him a note to let him know.

The Spam file contains the usual words like mortgage, loan, viagra,
and sex as well as the domains these things came from, but I can
send it on if you really think it will do you any good.

The beauty of the Mail Dispatcher is the fact that I can review and
rectify all that comes in, so that some things marked for deletion
are downloaded, and some things marked for downloading are deleted.

In general however, the selective download filter and Spam.txt file
save me some time. This is why I hesitate to use a service that
figures out these things for me. I want to use my own judgement in
real time. For instance, I just downloaded one of those things from
Africa asking for help getting X millions of dollars out of the
country, just because it was so ingeniously written. (Obviously, I
have no intention on following through on that though, and I get
lots of these scams that are killed on the server).

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Re: Selective download / filter

[Allie Martin]

Douglas Hinds, [DH] wrote:

DH> I use it to avoid viruses as well as a trigger for following up on
DH> important mail. I don't want to be checking my high number of
DH> mailbox directories and don't use the ticker for the same reason:
DH> The fact is, most of my mail is never read.

You seem to spend a lot of time screening mail that you won't read.
Of course, if you get accustomed to doing this, it seems just fine and I
guess this is where our opinions differ.

With some filtering here, all important mail is filtered out either
directly or indirectly. Not much of my mail comes from unknown sources.
These are filtered to a particular folder.

Spam goes to another folder and is viewed only occasionally. Viruses to
another folder with the use of NOD32 and very occasionally looked in.

I just find it perplexing that you consider using the dispatcher to look
over all your mail is efficient. Just the act of repeatedly interacting
with the dispatcher, no matter the duration is distracting and
intrusive. If I thought it entirely subjective, I'd let the issue rest
and say it's just a matter of taste.

On a busy day, I'll entertain only those messages which are filtered to
particular folders. I get a special sound notification for those. I
safely ignore the rest. No scanning. No updating of spam filters.
 :) So if there's no important mail, I just keep working. Never
checking the dispatcher to screen mail. It's all done automatically.

M>>> As I upgraded to ADSL now, I'd like to see what exactly is not
M>>> downloaded, so I want to change my selective download filter into
M>>> a "normal" filter that puts the stuff in a certain folder.

DH> Including viruses?

Why fear downloading viruses with TB!? If you were using Outlook I'd
understand but with an application like TB!, this isn't really that
great a concern. You could even use a plug-in that deletes infected
messages or quarantines them if that made you more comfortable.

M>>> Is there a way to use the signal file, containing all the known
M>>> malicious mailers/domains, in a regular filter?

DH> Aside from the selective download Spam and virus txt file, my signal
DH> file is upgraded continuously and stored in my brain.

Continuous maintenance ... work.

Manually scanning all incoming mail with the dispatcher ... more work.

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Re[2]: Selective download / filter

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Allie & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Thursday, September 19, 2002 Allie wrote and said in response to
Marco:

M>> One of the really good features of The Bat is in my opinion the
M>> selective download. Especially when using a dial-up connection,
M>> you don't have to spend telephone costs on downloading spam.

ACM> You spend a lot of telephone cost initially downloading the
ACM> headers of all messages for the selective download filters to
ACM> process the message headers and then downloading the entire
ACM> messages again. This would be profitable in the end only if
ACM> you're receiving a large amount of spam in proportion to
ACM> legitimate mail.

Sorry, Allie; but saying "This would be profitable in the end only
if" is not the only scenario.

I use it to avoid viruses as well as a trigger for following up on
important mail. I don't want to be checking my high number of
mailbox directories and don't use the ticker for the same reason:
The fact is, most of my mail is never read.

M>> As I upgraded to ADSL now, I'd like to see what exactly is not
M>> downloaded, so I want to change my selective download filter into
M>> a "normal" filter that puts the stuff in a certain folder.

Including viruses?

M>> Is there a way to use the signal file, containing all the known
M>> malicious mailers/domains, in a regular filter?

Aside from the selective download Spam and virus txt file, my signal
file is upgraded continuously and stored in my brain.

ACM> No. The regular filters cannot work with a string file. You'll have
ACM> to enter each string from the file as an alternative string in the
ACM> spam filter. You could also enter a few strings, copy and paste the
ACM> filter in your editor, look at the formatting of the few strings you
ACM> entered, add the rest of the strings in a similar format and then
ACM> copy and paste the filter back into TB!'s filter list.

Sounds tedious.

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Re[2]: Selective download filters

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello ken & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Sunday, September 21, 2003,  you wrote: 

kg> I guess I need to decide if I should switch all account to POP3
kg> or continue using IMAP and create a sorting rule that would
kg> delete unwanted messages from the server.

kg> Hmmm  any recommendations?

I  use  POP3 on accounts and selective download exclusively with the
mail  dispatcher,  which  I  set  to  download  25  lines. That way,
Selective  Download will filter on anything contained in that number
of  lines  and  you can review all that's occurring in order to make
any  changes  you  feel are appropriate regarding what will and what
won't be downloaded.

I link all accounts to the same text file, which I continue to
lengthen whenever new Spam mongers are found. This is much easier
that adding strings to each and every separate account.

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Re: Selective download filters

[ken green]

A-ha!!  Saw another thread that mentioned filters not working with IMAP.
I just tested my Spamkill Selective download on my one POP account and
it worked.  I guess that makes - IMAP filters are usually done at the
server, correct?

I guess I need to decide if I should switch all account to POP3 or
continue using IMAP and create a sorting rule that would delete unwanted
messages from the server.

Hmmm  any recommendations?

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Re: Selective download filters

[ken green]

Rob wrote:
> what did you put in 'Detect by' on the 'Rule' tab ??

> i'm using a text-file with a bunch of subject-lines used by daemons to
> bounce mail, to kill replies to non-existing addresses on my account by
> flagging 'subject' and it works like a charm ...


'Detect by' is set to 'Entire header'

In your text file, are your subject lines formatted in any way (quotes,
brackets, etc.)?  Are they each on a new line?

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Re: Selective download filters

[ken green]

Michael Thompson wrote:
>   Is the string "this is a string" the same as "This Is a String" as
>   far as the filter is concerned?

Not sure about Selective download (see my troubles below), but in
general, any kind of filtering is usually case-sensitive - especially if
enclosed in quotes.  (and regex is case-sensitive)

I can't get Selective download to work.  I would greatly appreciate
anyone's help on this.  I'm starting to wonder if a 'regular' filter
that deleted items off the server would be a better option for me.

I have a list of e-mail addresses and domains that I'd like to Kill
(never download, delete from the server). In the Selective Download
folder of Sorting Office, I created a filter rule called SpamKill.

I have tried entering the list of addresses in the signal strings box,
as well as using a text file and checking 'load signal strings from a
file' - in both cases, each address/domain was listed on a new line, and
the Advanced tab options were: Action: Kill and Detection method: Any
strings match.

But I can't get this to work. According the help system, Selective
download signal strings do not allow the special syntax used by other
types of filters.

How are people getting Selective Download to work? Does each string need
to be in quotes or something? Should the signal strings be
comma-delimited? I feel like I'm missing something terribly obvious.

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Re[2]: Selective download filters

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Gordon,

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, at 18:38:07 [GMT +1000] (which was 09:38 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




GW> Hello Michael,

GW> On Saturday, September 20, 2003, 6:16:54 PM, you wrote:
>>   After getting about 200 Sven worm type emails a day, I would like to
>>   know if the selective download filter is case sensitive.
>>   Is the string "this is a string" the same as "This Is a String" as
>>   far as the filter is concerned?

GW> What strings are you using? There seem to be a huge number of options.

GW> For one brief period they were arriving faster than I could delete
GW> them, but almost all to an address I've hardly ever used -- my mail
GW> address at my broadband ISP, half a world away from my mail host for
GW> my domain name where I've only had (so far) about six. First thing
GW> today there were nearly 400 in my mail at the local ISP and no other
GW> messages at all (not even any other spam!)

GW> However that does make it easy to use message dispatcher.


Just going through the long list of actual messages and creating a
list. They dont appear random, but they do share a set of names that
are more prevelent than others.

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Re: Selective download filters

[Gordon Woolf]

Hello Michael,

On Saturday, September 20, 2003, 6:16:54 PM, you wrote:
>   After getting about 200 Sven worm type emails a day, I would like to
>   know if the selective download filter is case sensitive.
>   Is the string "this is a string" the same as "This Is a String" as
>   far as the filter is concerned?

What strings are you using? There seem to be a huge number of options.

For one brief period they were arriving faster than I could delete
them, but almost all to an address I've hardly ever used -- my mail
address at my broadband ISP, half a world away from my mail host for
my domain name where I've only had (so far) about six. First thing
today there were nearly 400 in my mail at the local ISP and no other
messages at all (not even any other spam!)

However that does make it easy to use message dispatcher.








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Selective download filters

[Michael Thompson]

Hello TBUDL,

  After getting about 200 Sven worm type emails a day, I would like to
  know if the selective download filter is case sensitive.

  Is the string "this is a string" the same as "This Is a String" as
  far as the filter is concerned?



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Re: logging 'selective download' ?

[Peter Asenbauer]

Hi Rob,

Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 11:33:36 AM, you wrote:

> it's not Spam i'm after, but "bounces" from Postmasters &
> Mail-daemons ...
> ... for the moment i'm using Magic Mail Monitor
> (mmm3.sourceforge.net) which _does_ log the deletions.

I didn't now mmm, it seems you may have found a faster soultion!
Logging in Spampal is really just a (nice) side-effect. And
fortunately ony one of my accounts needs automatic spam-detection ...

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Re: logging 'selective download' ?

[Anne]

Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 9:52:53 PM, Rob wrote:

R> is there a way to see which messages where killed on the server using the
R> Sorting Office ??
R> i'm pretty sure i'm deleting all the wrong stuff, but it would be nice to
R> check - even afterwards  ;-)


Use the Account menu » View Log option.. it tells you what
message has been processed and by what filter etc...

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Re:logging 'selective download' ?

[Rob]

Hi Peter,

on Wed, 17 Sep 2003, at 08:07:30 local time (GMT +0200), you wrote:

PA> Try to use Spampal and it's logfile plugin.

it's not Spam i'm after, but "bounces" from Postmasters & Mail-daemons all
over the world after some lowlife used my account (just the name, i was not
hacked or anything) with random usernames to do a spam-run :-(

so i made a .txt file with all the Subject:-lines (like Undeliverable etc.
in several languages) that are used in bounce-messages and use that in my
Selective Download as 'signal strings'.

for the moment i'm using Magic Mail Monitor (mmm3.sourceforge.net) which
_does_ log the deletions.

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Re: logging 'selective download' ?

[Peter Asenbauer]

Hi Rob,

Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 10:52:53 PM, you wrote:

> is there a way to see which messages where killed on the server
> using the Sorting Office ??

Try to use Spampal and it's logfile plugin. This way you'll get a nice
logfile of all mail(headers) processed. This log includes the mail
which killed directly on the server.

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Re: logging 'selective download' ?

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Tuesday, September 16, 2003, Rob wrote:

> is there a way to see which messages where killed on the server using the
> Sorting Office ??
> i'm pretty sure i'm deleting all the wrong stuff, but it would be nice to
> check - even afterwards  ;-)

it is not possible now, but AFAIK new Filteryng System will be
released in the next minor version and this should be possible
too.

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logging 'selective download' ?

[Rob]

Hi,

is there a way to see which messages where killed on the server using the
Sorting Office ??
i'm pretty sure i'm deleting all the wrong stuff, but it would be nice to
check - even afterwards  ;-)

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Re: regexp in selective download filter problem

[Carsten Thönges]

* Timur Kadyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm trying to filter out messages with "From:" field containing
> address that starts with "238", and then has three digits before "@".
> Regexp I'm using is ^238\d\d\d@ .

Try

(?m)^From:\s*238\d{3}@

any search in the entire header. You have to switch on
PCRE_MULTILINE (see help file) for the circumflex to work.

> I tested this regexp with regular
> filter -- it worked just fine (after I enabled regular expression
> filtering).

In regular filters PCRE_MULTILINE is active by default.
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[Timur Kadyshev]

I'm trying to filter out messages with "From:" field containing
address that starts with "238", and then has three digits before "@".
Regexp I'm using is ^238\d\d\d@ . I tested this regexp with regular
filter -- it worked just fine (after I enabled regular expression
filtering). Then I created a Selective Download rule with ^238\d\d\d@
as its Signal String, and checked "Match any string as regular expression"
at the "Advanced" tab. This rule does not work. What am I doing wrong?

Here is an example of header of a message that does not filter out:

===
Received: from 68.192.227.68 (ool-44c0e344.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.227.68])
by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with SMTP id h7RM5W3W000868
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:34:39 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: 1176141317
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DVD Backup Movies 238989
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
=

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Re: Selective download filter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Nick,

On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:08:54 + GMT (03/03/03, 17:08 +0700 GMT),
Nick Dutton wrote:

> Is there some way that I can see what decisions have been made by TB on my
> behalf before I use this feature for real?

No there isn't. Which is one of the reasons whyI don't use this
function.

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[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

I've started playing, nervously, with the "Selective Download" feature.  But
while my tests all seem to work nicely, the actions appear not to be logged
by TB (ctrl-shift-A).

Is there some way that I can see what decisions have been made by TB on my
behalf before I use this feature for real?

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Re: Selective Download & .txt file of spammers

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Thomas,

@10-Feb-2003, 21:51 +0700 (14:51 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

TF> Makes sense, but my view, namely that a filter will never be
TF> executed unless it is also Active, makes sense too. Now somebody
TF> not using a beta version said that Manual filters will not work
TF> when Active is not checked - I wonder whether there is a
TF> difference between the release versions and the beta versions
TF> (in which case we should move the thread to TBBETA).

No, there is no difference. I have always had this filter configured
exactly this way and use it several times a day - for a long time
now. An "Active" filter is used by the automated filtering process
whether or not it is also manual. A manual and inactive filter can
only be used manually with a hotkey. That's how I see it and how it
works for me.

TF> Anyway, I don't think there is a documentation about this. Where
TF> would we ask what Ritlabs "really meant" with the Active
TF> tickmark?

TBBETA is as good a place as any.

TF> If your explanation is what is desired, it is not a bug but by
TF> design. But is it?

It works for me but apparently not for all.

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Re: Selective Download & .txt file of spammers

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:11:45 + GMT (10/02/03, 17:11 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> "Active" means to me that a filter will be used by the Sorting
> office and Re-filter functions automatically. "Manual" means that it
> will only work when invoked by hotkey or Re-filter with Manual
> checked, but the latter will only work if the filter is both Manual
> and active. That's how I see it.

Makes sense, but my view, namely that a filter will never be executed
unless it is also Active, makes sense too. Now somebody not using a
beta version said that Manual filters will not work when Active is not
checked - I wonder whether there is a difference between the release
versions and the beta versions (in which case we should move the
thread to TBBETA).

Anyway, I don't think there is a documentation about this. Where would
we ask what Ritlabs "really meant" with the Active tickmark? If your
explanation is what is desired, it is not a bug but by design. But is
it?

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Thomas.

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Re: Selective Download & .txt file of spammers

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Thomas,

@10-Feb-2003, 12:24 +0700 (05:24 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> Yes. Well, it does for me.

TF> Isn't this a bug? What I mean is, if this is correct behaviour,
TF> I don't understand the logic behind the Active tickmark.

"Active" means to me that a filter will be used by the Sorting
office and Re-filter functions automatically. "Manual" means that it
will only work when invoked by hotkey or Re-filter with Manual
checked, but the latter will only work if the filter is both Manual
and active. That's how I see it.

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Re: Selective Download & .txt file of spammers

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:06:16 + GMT (10/02/03, 03:06 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

TF>> Are you saying that a manual filter kicks in whether or not it is
TF>> declared "Active"?

> Yes. Well, it does for me.

Isn't this a bug? What I mean is, if this is correct behaviour, I
don't understand the logic behind the Active tickmark.

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Re: Selective Download & .txt file of spammers

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Marck,

> Mine is set Manual and non-Active. Works every time.

It may be that different TB versions behave differently. I, like
Jurgen, need to have the filter set to Manual and Active.

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