Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 3:59:45 PM you [TF]wrote (at least in part): TF In any case, I think the current version of not locking files at all TF is dangerous if two users write to it at the same time. Any TF application that is networkable should you file locks. This is true TF for message files as well as for address books. That's right ... But The Bat! ain't networkable in a standard TCP/IP Workstation installation. Wherefrom The Bat! should know you share folder over network using _Windows file sharing_??? It don't. Therefore the (unsatisfying and to what I've read about it not 100% working) The Bat! Server mode is implemented. This way it knows about sharing and can handle concurrent accesses. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) God is the tangential point between zero and infinity. -- Alfred Jarry Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Peter, On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:56:35 +0100 GMT (12/03/03, 17:56 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: TF In any case, I think the current version of not locking files at all TF is dangerous if two users write to it at the same time. Any TF application that is networkable should you file locks. This is true TF for message files as well as for address books. That's right ... But The Bat! ain't networkable in a standard TCP/IP Workstation installation. Wherefrom The Bat! should know you share folder over network using _Windows file sharing_??? It don't. Indeed it doesn't, so the safe way is to lock/unlock files that might be accessable over a network. There is no problem with locking/unlocking files if they are only accessed on a stand-alone PC, and there is no delay (well, maybe a few nanoseconds), so why risk data corruption? Therefore the (unsatisfying and to what I've read about it not 100% working) The Bat! Server mode is implemented. This way it knows about sharing and can handle concurrent accesses. TB's server mode has something to do with a center downloading the mail and the clients only connecting to the center rather than to the internet. Of course, they also share files (I don't even know whether they are locked, but they should be). But I am not talking about the server mode. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When you come to a fork in the road, take it! (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Jernejcic, On Monday, March 10, 2003 at 8:17:06 PM you [JA]wrote (at least in part): P No ... but were in The Bat! you've seen shared folders? JA what a sophisticated question. That's what I'm known for ;-) JA I am talking abount the folders, that are called common folders in JA The Bat! . Not just called ... _named_ :-) A sophisticated, but important, difference. JA imho, to use common folders could sometimes, in very special JA situations, mean, that they are shared - got it? As every other folder could, in very special situations of course, be shared. They're named Common folders not because the can be shared without hassle between different people, but only because they don't belong to an account. Sharing folders requires lock and sync actions being implemented. As these common folders are only belonging to a virtual but non-existent account I don't think special file handling, taking care of locking and syncing, was implemented. So how should they update automatically? The Bat!s speed comes from semi intelligent use of indices and keep in memory as long as you can. If The Bat! would need to lock and sync every operation if would _slow down_ significantly. So your best bet is: Create a Wishlist item (follow the URL in list footer) for _Shared folders_. RIT could this way create a special kind of folders, marked as sharable which makes use of lock and sync (with all slowing down effects), while all other folders are unaffected and kept fast. Current implementation is only designed to be thread-safe, not share-safe, you're expecting something that ain't programmed. Like if you'd expect a Fiat Uno being able to drag your mobile home, to spare the costs of a truck :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) You will be recognized and honored as a community leader. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: shared folders - one more try
hi, Peter Palmreuther said among others: P They're named Common folders not because the can be shared P without hassle between different people, but only because they don't P belong to an account. ok, that's my fault. i barked the wrong tree. thx alexander -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Peter, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:00:23 +0100 GMT (11/03/03, 16:00 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: So your best bet is: Create a Wishlist item (follow the URL in list footer) for _Shared folders_. RIT could this way create a special kind of folders, marked as sharable which makes use of lock and sync (with all slowing down effects), Well, it's been a while since I programmed on networks. On a 40-user network, all data files were shared. It didn't slow down the system to just lock and, after successfull transaction, release the files. Of course, if one user opened the file, nobody else could access it, but the data integrity was preserved; so if user's access to a file is the delay you are talking about, there is certainly a delay, but it is necessary for data integrity. You could refine it by limiting the lock to write access, so if any user was only reading the file, others would still have access - to both read and write. If someone else writes to the file, you could still not update the file on the user's screen who only reads it, until the next time he opens it. In small networks, this could be sufficient. Otherwise, if the client has to check regularly for updates, I agree it may slow down the program. In any case, I think the current version of not locking files at all is dangerous if two users write to it at the same time. Any application that is networkable should you file locks. This is true for message files as well as for address books. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wann wird denn endlich der Niagara-Fall geloest oder die Formel 1 ausgerechnet ?? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Jernejcic, On Wednesday, March 5, 2003 at 9:13:32 PM you [JA]wrote (at least in part): JA is there anybody out there *really* using shared folders with more JA than two users simultaniously? No ... but were in The Bat! you've seen shared folders? -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Eggheads unite! You have nothing to lose but your yolks. - Adlai Stevenson Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: shared folders - one more try
hi, Peter Palmreuther asked: P No ... but were in The Bat! you've seen shared folders? what a sophisticated question. I am talking abount the folders, that are called common folders in The Bat! . imho, to use common folders could sometimes, in very special situations, mean, that they are shared - got it? alexander -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: shared folders - one more try
hi, i think it's time to polish up my english ;) Mark Wieder said: M message said you explicitly did *not* want to share the folders...? M Maybe you could provide some clue as to what you're trying to do and M what isn't working. to say it in short: i expected shared folders to update automatically, but obviously they don't. alexander -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
shared folders - one more try
hi, is there anybody out there *really* using shared folders with more than two users simultaniously? please share your experiences and solutions with me ;) thx alexander -- The Bat 1.62i, W2K with Citrix Metaframe Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
hi- Sure - we've been round about this before. Works fine for me with about a dozen users. But I thought your last message said you explicitly did *not* want to share the folders...? Maybe you could provide some clue as to what you're trying to do and what isn't working. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shared Folders
Hi Thomas, I am the one still using an IMAP server. (It is still working fine). Is it possible to set something up in order to access shared folders (on the IMAP server its no problem) or to have incoming mails visualized to more then on users? (that do not have necessarily configured the same pop or imap user) Ehhh, I have no experience with IMAP at all, and frankly I can't figure out what your questions mean. So pardon me to try the most obvious answer: have you tried the Sorting Office/Filters? I know this isn't any real help. It serves more as a reminder to the veterans here (who're probably consumed by the recent S/MIME beta issues on another list) that there's a unanswered question from a (presumed) new user here. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Shared Folders
TM I am the one still using an IMAP server. (It is still working fine). TM Is it possible to set something up in order to access shared folders TM (on the IMAP server its no problem) or to have incoming mails TM visualized to more then on users? (that do not have necessarily TM configured the same pop or imap user) If I catch your drift, I would imagine that such a configuration would be only possible from the IMAP server itself, that is, show these two different groups of email (public-to-everyone and private-for-user, say) to each user as one "block" of messages? Dunno about IMAP myself, but this sounds like what you're trying to do (in which case you need to ask on an IMAP list!). -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Shared Folders
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, I am the one still using an IMAP server. (It is still working fine). Is it possible to set something up in order to access shared folders (on the IMAP server its no problem) or to have incoming mails visualized to more then on users? (that do not have necessarily configured the same pop or imap user) -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen fuer das Team von SBO Thomas Mozelt SBO_Tulzer GmbH Tel: +43 (0) 2236/ 378736 Fax: +43 (0) 2236/ 37873646 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sbo-gmbh.at -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
