Re: Strange things when replying

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:32:51 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:


JAL> The View menu in the Message Editor has an option that reads:
JAL> "Store window position". I have never cared about this one...until
JAL> now, because I always run the editor maximized, and therefore, it
JAL> shouldn't be necessary for me to check it. If I understand this
JAL> correctly, the purpose of having this option checked is to have TB!
JAL> to open the editor window in the same position of the screen if
JAL> you're _not_ running it maximized.

That's correct. If unchecked the editor windows are serially opened in a
cascading type fashion.

JAL> After checking this option, my beloved TB! is back to normal
JAL> behavior again !? I can place %Cursor after %Quotes in my reply
JAL> templates without any annoying side effects whatsoever. No loss of
JAL> text. No loss of scroll bars.

 This is most likely why I couldn't reproduce your problem. I keep
that option checked at all times.

JAL> Does the "Store window position"-option _has_ to be checked
JAL> irrespective of whether you run the editor maximized or not?

Well, you've found another reason to keep it checked. 

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Curtis,

Thursday, August 17, 2000, 1:32:57 AM, you wrote:

> I'm not sure why and I think that this may be related to that bug
> also where deleting blocks of text in the editor may lead to loss of
> the vertical scroll-bar.

This is a problem that I have never encountered. Yet.

> The plot thickens, now that I've tried reproducing your problem and
> can't. :-/

I considered this problem to be solved for the time beeing (removing
%Cursor, or, placing it before %Quotes worked just great), but
yesterday I discovered something that might be of some interest, and I
decided to share it with the list -and this one doesn't make me less
puzzled.

The View menu in the Message Editor has an option that reads: "Store
window position". I have never cared about this one...until now,
because I always run the editor maximized, and therefore, it shouldn't
be necessary for me to check it. If I understand this correctly, the
purpose of having this option checked is to have TB! to open the
editor window in the same position of the screen if you're _not_
running it maximized.

After checking this option, my beloved TB! is back to normal behavior
again !? I can place %Cursor after %Quotes in my reply templates
without any annoying side effects whatsoever. No loss of text. No loss
of scroll bars. Does the "Store window position"-option _has_ to be
checked irrespective of whether you run the editor maximized or not?

Almost all my hair is scratched off my head, so I'm glad this is over
for now.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:13:17 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :)

:-) I realised that the only difference between your setup without the
%cursor macro  and my setup with the %cursor macro is that my cursor is
placed after the introduction and before the quotation. Since I didn't
have any problems I assumed that it may be the insertion of the cursor
*after* the quotation may be the problem.

JAL> Bingo!...why?

So my assumption was right. :-) I'm not sure why and I think that this
may be related to that bug also where deleting blocks of text in the
editor may lead to loss of the vertical scroll-bar.

The plot thickens, now that I've tried reproducing your problem and
can't.  :-/

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Re: Strange things when replying

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

ML> What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
ML> it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
ML> quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
ML> quoted text.

This never happens to me. I have %cursor before %quote in all my
templates and the cursor is always positioned in front of the quotes. In
fact when I manipulate the cursor position via the macro, it is placed
exactly as expected.

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hi Ming-Li,

On 19 August 2000 at 20:36:26 GMT -0700 (which was 04:36 where I
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of "Strange things when replying":

ML> I'm moving tomorrow and won't have Internet access for about a
ML> week. It's what it takes to get cable modem access here, and it
ML> takes even longer, much longer, to get ADSL. :( So, see you next
ML> weekend.

We'll miss ya! Hope the move goes well, Ming-li.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck, Tracer, Tony,

>   For experimental purposes I had a play with my reply templates
>   and as can be seen from this reply, putting %cursor before
>   %quote results in the desired effect.

Thank you all for trying it out for me, and I've found the culprit.
It's all my fault. Marck might remember teaching me how to address
the "TO" field in a way less confusing for less savvy users in
mailing lisst. I complained about not being able to distinguish
between TBUDL/TBBETA lists for I put both in a folder. Then I found
I could solve the problem by using address book templates instead of
folder templates. I then forgot about it and when I was
experimenting for this discussion (about putting %cursor in front of
%quote), I did it in the folder template, and of course it didn't
work.

Sorry about that. And sorry for the late reply. I'm busy packing and
don't have much time for email. I'm moving tomorrow and won't have
Internet access for about a week. It's what it takes to get cable
modem access here, and it takes even longer, much longer, to get
ADSL. :( So, see you next weekend.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[tracer]

Hello Jan-Arild Løkstad,
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:24:00 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, August 18, 2000, 5:24:00 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:


> Hello tracer,

> Thursday, August 17, 2000, 1:55:55 AM, you wrote:

>> seems to me that it does make sense.

> It sure does tracer. I guess I have to put the blame on my bad command
> of English. What I _think_ I say, is not necessarily always what I
> _mean_ to say. Sorry about that. I think you guys better enter for a
> course in Norwegian :)

no please, I can read/understand a bit of Swedish and Danish but
somehow Norwegian escaped me...


>> You position the cursor, then below that the quote. if you put
>> quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py putting
>> the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up,

> Exactly, and that's what happens. I can place the cursor wherever I
> want in the message, but (for some of us), placing the %Cursor macro
> _after_ the %Quotes macro has an annoying side effect (the by now well
> known "disappearing text- and scrollbar problem"), so if the only
> alternatives I have are:

>   1. Before the quotes.
>   2. Not including it.

no, I had noticed the effect before but didnt realise this is what you
meant.
You can position cursor manually and with arrow keys move it up...

Now I wonder if as in my cases I had several times this problem even
with my cursor setting if the real problem isnt the cursor but what in
my case is the remaining part of the original message I am answering
covering up the top of what I am writing...

> then the %Cursor macro is of little (if any) practical use for me. I
> fail to see how to benefit from using it in my reply templates at all,
> because, by not including it, TB! defaults to the upper left corner.
> No big difference from placing the cursor before the quotes IMO.

> Anyway, leaving out the %Cursor macro cured this problem for me,
> however, this doesn't explain why I have a similar problem in NTP. My
> first thought was that there could be some sort of connection here.

> Jan-Arild



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Re: Strange things when replying

[Tony Boom]

This message: 18/08/2000 10:50 GMT.
Hello Ming-Li,

  For experimental purposes I had a play with my reply templates and
  as can be seen from this reply, putting %cursor before %quote
  results in the desired effect.

  A copy of my template for reference is appended below.


  A reminder of what Ming-Li ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  18 August 2000 at 18:13:55 GMT -0700

ML> What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
ML> it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
ML> quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
ML> quoted text

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Hello %TOFName,

  %Cursor

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello tracer,

Thursday, August 17, 2000, 1:55:55 AM, you wrote:

> seems to me that it does make sense.

It sure does tracer. I guess I have to put the blame on my bad command
of English. What I _think_ I say, is not necessarily always what I
_mean_ to say. Sorry about that. I think you guys better enter for a
course in Norwegian :)

> You position the cursor, then below that the quote. if you put
> quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py putting
> the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up,

Exactly, and that's what happens. I can place the cursor wherever I
want in the message, but (for some of us), placing the %Cursor macro
_after_ the %Quotes macro has an annoying side effect (the by now well
known "disappearing text- and scrollbar problem"), so if the only
alternatives I have are:

  1. Before the quotes.
  2. Not including it.

then the %Cursor macro is of little (if any) practical use for me. I
fail to see how to benefit from using it in my reply templates at all,
because, by not including it, TB! defaults to the upper left corner.
No big difference from placing the cursor before the quotes IMO.

Anyway, leaving out the %Cursor macro cured this problem for me,
however, this doesn't explain why I have a similar problem in NTP. My
first thought was that there could be some sort of connection here.

Jan-Arild

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Re: Strange things when replying

[tracer]

Hello Ming-Li,
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:55 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, August 18, 2000, 8:13:55 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ming-Li wrote:

Hello %OFROMNAME,
On%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)^Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
 GMT your local time,
which was %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn (GMT+0700) my local time,
%OFROMNAME wrote:

%Cursor
%QUOTES="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- 
--|--\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

ok (sorry) to demonstrate:

If using above script on your email cursor ended up where I pasted it.
Ie Cursor before Quoted.


> Hi tracer,

>> seems to me that it does make sense. You position the cursor, then
>> below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will
>> produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything
>> before the cursor position up, After all, the cursor tells the
>> system where you want to start editing.

> What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
> it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
> quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
> quoted text.



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Re: Strange things when replying

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On 18 August 2000 at 18:13:55 GMT -0700 (which was 02:13 where I
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of "Strange things when replying":

ML> What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before
ML> %quote, it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front
ML> of the quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after
ML> (below) the quoted text.

That  isn't what is supposed to happen and it isn't what happens here.
:-/

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Ming-Li]

Hi tracer,

> seems to me that it does make sense. You position the cursor, then
> below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will
> produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything
> before the cursor position up, After all, the cursor tells the
> system where you want to start editing.

What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
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Re: Strange things when replying

[tracer]

Hello Jan-Arild Løkstad,
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:13:17 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, August 17, 2000, 2:13:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:


> Hello Curtis,

> Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 1:11:02 PM, you wrote:

>> Makes me wonder if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates
>> the problem, rather than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at
>> all.

> You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :) I did put the %Cursor macro
> back into my reply template again like this:

> %Cursor
> %Quotes

> Bingo!...why?

> As soon as I place the %Quotes macro first, the "disappearing text-and
> scrollbar" syndrome return.

> My old brain is somewhat confused by now to say the least. This
> doesn't make sense to me.

seems to me that it does make sense.
You position the cursor, then below that the quote.
if you put quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py
putting the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up,
After all, the cursor tells the system where you want to start
editing.



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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Curtis,

Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 1:11:02 PM, you wrote:

> Makes me wonder if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates
> the problem, rather than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at
> all.

You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :) I did put the %Cursor macro
back into my reply template again like this:

%Cursor
%Quotes

Bingo!...why?

As soon as I place the %Quotes macro first, the "disappearing text-and
scrollbar" syndrome return.

My old brain is somewhat confused by now to say the least. This
doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[tracer]

Hello Jan-Arild Løkstad,
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:50:33 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 3:50:33 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:


> Hello Januk,

> Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:08:12 AM, you wrote:

>> In essence, what I found is that the scroll bars are calculated on
>> the amount of text in the message. Have you noticed if you go to
>> the beginning of these replies, then the text all fits into one
>> screen?

> It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message
> contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time -
> i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar
> disappear. Always.

>> I can reproduce the lack of scroll bar problem at will. Create a
>> new message (or a reply, it doesn't matter). Type a couple of
>> lines, enough so it all fits in one screen with no scrolling. Now
>> use your keyboard keys (or scroll wheel mouse) to move down a few
>> lines until your text is off screen. Notice how the scroll bars do
>> not appear. This also happens with the horizontal scroll bar.

> You are dead right. I haven't noticed this before.

seems to be a bug to me...


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Re: Strange things when replying

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:01:55 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> My original reply template looked like this:

JAL> %Quotes
JAL> %Cursor


JAL> I changed it to look like this:

JAL> %Quotes


JAL> As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have
JAL> removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The
JAL> problem is gone. Completely.

Hmmm. I can't reproduce your problem either, the only difference with me
is that I my %cursor macro precedes the %quotes macro. Makes me wonder
if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates the problem, rather
than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at all.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Jan-Arild,


On  Wednesday, August 16, 2000  at  11:01:55 GMT +0200 (which was 2:01 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have
> removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The
> problem is gone. Completely. The only drawback, by removing the
> %Cursor-macro is that the cursor is placed in the upper left corner of
> the screen when replying, but I do always edit the original message
> before I start typing anyway so...

 The %cursor macro should only affect where the cursor is first placed
 in the message.  By not including it, TB defaults to the upper left.
 However, if I recall correctly, by hitting CTRL-Home, the scroll bars
 reappear anyway.  Un/Fortunately, I can not reproduce the problem
 here, so I'm just throwing in my 2 cents (CDN) worth.



 

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Jan-Arild,

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:01:55 +0200GMT (16/08/2000, 17:01 +0800GMT),
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have
JAL> removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The
JAL> problem is gone. Completely.

Wow, I'm surprised. I will make some tests with this, as soon as I
come back from my upcoming trip. If anybody else can confirm this,
it's time for a bug report.

One of those occasions in programming\ where the problem lies
somewherewhere I would never have thought of looking. 

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 5:57:10 AM, you wrote:

> Always, but not with all messages. The prob may be reproducible if
> the messages does not fill a screen, but some longer messages are
> effected too.

Well, all I can say is that it does here. I tested this with 120
messages last night, and the same thing happened with each and all of
them. Like I said earlier, my brain is old and worn out, but I started
to play a little with my reply templates, and found something that
might be of interest.

My original reply template looked like this:

Hello %OFromFName,%SINGLERE

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes
%Cursor

-- 
Best regards,
 %FromFName


I changed it to look like this:

Hello %OFromFName,%SINGLERE

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes

-- 
Best regards,
 %FromFName

As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have
removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The
problem is gone. Completely. The only drawback, by removing the
%Cursor-macro is that the cursor is placed in the upper left corner of
the screen when replying, but I do always edit the original message
before I start typing anyway so...

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hi Jan-Arild,

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:50:33 +0200GMT (16/08/2000, 04:50 +0800GMT),
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message
JAL> contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time -
JAL> i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar
JAL> disappear. Always.

Always, but not with all messages. The prob may be reproducible if the
messages does not fill a screen, but some longer messages are effected
too.

JAL> BTW. In which version of TB! did this start to occur? I have used it
JAL> since 1.39 but I can't remember seeing this prior to my last upgrade
JAL> to 1.45.but yes, I am an old and absent-minded kind of person, so
JAL> I might very well be wrong :)

I think I first reported it on the beta list on 27 May 2000, when
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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Graham,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:16:29 AM, you wrote:

> Exactly the same here Jan-Arild. I wonder why??

A poor consolation I know, but you are not alone feeling this way
Graham. I am totally lost.

What is even more frustrating is that I am not in possession of the
special knowledge needed to be able to figure out what may cause this
to occur. The only thing _I_ can do is to report what I see, and hope
that you guys find a solution.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Januk,

Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:08:12 AM, you wrote:

> In essence, what I found is that the scroll bars are calculated on
> the amount of text in the message. Have you noticed if you go to
> the beginning of these replies, then the text all fits into one
> screen?

It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message
contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time -
i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar
disappear. Always.

> I can reproduce the lack of scroll bar problem at will. Create a
> new message (or a reply, it doesn't matter). Type a couple of
> lines, enough so it all fits in one screen with no scrolling. Now
> use your keyboard keys (or scroll wheel mouse) to move down a few
> lines until your text is off screen. Notice how the scroll bars do
> not appear. This also happens with the horizontal scroll bar.

You are dead right. I haven't noticed this before.

> In your Note Tab Pro program, do you have a free caret interface
> active? I think this may be the source of the trouble.

With regard to the free caret interface, I wish I could say yes
because this is one of the things I love the most about TB! -but no,
NTP doesn't support it. What I can say for certain is, that in NTP,
this _only_ occur when pasting text from the clipboard, and also,
_only_ when pasting more text than fits into one screen.

BTW. In which version of TB! did this start to occur? I have used it
since 1.39 but I can't remember seeing this prior to my last upgrade
to 1.45.but yes, I am an old and absent-minded kind of person, so
I might very well be wrong :)

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hello Jan-Arild,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 10:44:47 AM, you wrote:

JAL> Hello All,

JAL> Pressing the "Reply"-button opens up the "Message Editor Window" with
JAL> the quote prefix preceding each lineas if you didn't know :) The
JAL> strange thing is that only the last 4-5 lines of the message to which
JAL> I am replying is visible in the editor. The rest of the original
JAL> message, and also the scrollbar!, has disappeared, and the only way to
JAL> get both back into view again is to press the "Page Up"-key on the
JAL> keyboard.

JAL> This happens _every time_ I reply to a message. Anyone who have
JAL> experienced anything similar?

JAL> Jan-Arild

 Exactly the same here Jan-Arild.  I wonder why??


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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hello Jan-Arild,


On  Monday, August 14, 2000  at  11:44:47 GMT +0200 (which was 2:44 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> Hello All,

> Pressing the "Reply"-button opens up the "Message Editor Window" with
> the quote prefix preceding each lineas if you didn't know :) The
> strange thing is that only the last 4-5 lines of the message to which
> I am replying is visible in the editor. The rest of the original
> message, and also the scrollbar!, has disappeared, and the only way to
> get both back into view again is to press the "Page Up"-key on the
> keyboard.

> This happens _every time_ I reply to a message. Anyone who have
> experienced anything similar?

> Jan-Arild

 I had found a pattern some time ago, but nobody on the list seemed to
 respond.  Maybe my messages didn't get through or something.

 In essence, what I found is that the scroll bars are calculated on
 the amount of text in the message.  Have you noticed if you go to the
 beginning of these replies, then the text all fits into one screen?

 I can reproduce the lack of scroll bar problem at will.  Create a new
 message (or a reply, it doesn't matter).  Type a couple of lines,
 enough so it all fits in one screen with no scrolling.  Now use your
 keyboard keys (or scroll wheel mouse) to move down a few lines until
 your text is off screen.  Notice how the scroll bars do not appear.
 This also happens with the horizontal scroll bar.

 In your Note Tab Pro program, do you have a free caret interface
 active?  I think this may be the source of the trouble.



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Re: Strange things when replying

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:03:47 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> BTW, if Curtis is "stupid" enough to read this :)

Sure  right!

JAL> , I should like to take the opportunity to congratulate him as a
JAL> moderator.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Ming-Li]

Hi Thomas,

JD>> TO find what version it's running press [win] + [break]

> Done.

JD>> Choose device manager.

> Here I got stuck. How do you spell that in Chinese? - Just kidding.
> Can you describe the icon?

LOL. It's called "¸Ë¸mºÞ²z­û", if you can find the "pattern". I'm
not sure about the icon since I'm in Win2k, but it should be the
second pane for Win95/98.

> And by the way, I have managed to download IE 5.5 in English. Unlike
> Netscpae, it displays web pages in English, German, Thai, Chinese...

Yup.

> I was hoping that I find language support for English Win98 somewhere
> on the microsoft site; no such luck.

Did you try the MS Download Center at ?

Now at the left hand side, chose "Find download in English". At the
right hand side, Choose "Internet Explorer 5 (not 5.01!)" for
product name and "Windows 98" for operating system, then find an
item called "Internet Explorer Microsoft Global IME 5.01". Along
with it, you may download the proper language support. I remember I
could download just the language support (for display) without
downloading the IME (for input), but either I remember it wrong, or
that option is removed.

> I cannot imagine that the difference between my Chinese Win98 and
> an English Win98 is more than the Chinesee language driver plus a
> number of DLL's in which the menu items are, like the .lng files
> in TB. Am I wrong?

Well, it's more complicated than that. English Windows with Chinese
language support is not the same as a Chinese Windows (and not just
the interface language and help files are different). The former may
be enough for you, but it depends on the applications you need to
run.

JD>>  Find your display driver and click on properties. Goto the
JD>> section titled driver and click on the button marked Driver File
JD>> Details. All the info you want should be there.

> Since the manual is in English, let's hope the info is in English,
> too. ;-)

In device manager? Not necessarily. ;) It's more likely in mixed
language.

Be forewarned that installing display card driver written for
English Windows on Chinese Windows system sometimes cause more
troubles than it would solve. Backup before proceeding is a prudent
thing to do here, or be sure you have the original driver ready.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Nick,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 4:35:56 PM, you wrote:

> Time to come back to this side of the looking glass, Alice.

LOL. It sounds like a fairytale, I know, but I am in fact telling the
truth.

I have absolutely no idea why my system doesn't crash, but there has
to be something seriously wrong somewhere that's for sure. Perhaps I
should contact MS support and ask if they can help me find the
culprit. :)

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hello Jamie,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 4:54:14 PM, you wrote:

> It's Linux pretending to be Windows

Hehe. I have Linux installed on one of my harddrives, so maybe Linux
is the "source of infection".

> Seriously though that is a very weird problem that I have never
> encountered.

It sure is weird. The Bat! and Note Tab Pro seems to be the only apps
suffering from the disappearing text- and scrollbar syndrome.

> Even with a 4MB card in it still displays OK. Try lowering your
> screen res and colour depth. If it stops occurring it is a driver
> issue.

Already tried that, but the problem is still there.

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hello Thomas,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 5:01:51 PM, you wrote:

> In all the user manuals that came with my PC, one is entitled:
> A.G.P. S3 Trio 3D/2X Video Accelerator. Is that it?
> 
> I also found a file called VGA.DRV in the c:\windows\system
> directory, but don't know how to find out more.

I'm afraid I can't help you much with this Thomas. You know, I am just
an ordinary TB!-user who love this wonderful piece of software, and by
lurking on TBUDL & TBBETA I "steal" new tips and tricks every day from
all the nice, helpful and knowledgeable people living here.

BTW, if Curtis is "stupid" enough to read this :), I should like to
take the opportunity to congratulate him as a moderator. 

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Jamie,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:21:12 +0100 GMT (14/08/2000, 23:21 +0800 GMT),
Jamie Dainton wrote:

JD> TO find what version it's running press [win] + [break]

Done.

JD> Choose device manager.

Here I got stuck. How do you spell that in Chinese? - Just kidding.
Can you describe the icon?

And by the way, I have managed to download IE 5.5 in English. Unlike
Netscpae, it displays web pages in English, German, Thai, Chinese...

I was hoping that I find language support for English Win98 somewhere
on the microsoft site; no such luck. I cannot imagine that the
difference between my Chinese Win98 and an English Win98 is more than
the Chinesee language driver plus a number of DLL's in which the menu
items are, like the .lng files in TB. Am I wrong?

JD>  Find your display driver and click on properties. Goto the
JD> section titled driver and click on the button marked Driver File
JD> Details. All the info you want should be there.

Since the manual is in English, let's hope the info is in English,
too. ;-)

JD> The S3 is an 8MB card from what i can remember though. VGA.drv is
JD> a old semi legacy driver.

How about S3LC2X.drv? In the same directory. File date stamp: 23 Dec
1998.

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Hello Thomas,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 16:01:51, you wrote:

TF> A.G.P. S3 Trio 3D/2X Video Accelerator. Is that it?

TF> I also found a file called VGA.DRV in the c:\windows\system directory,
TF> but don't know how to find out more.

Uh huh. That's yer graphics card. We've got a couple of them at work.
they're moderately fast and very reliable. Good workhorse processors.
TO find what version it's running press [win] + [break] Choose device
manager. Find your display driver and click on properties. Goto the
section titled driver and click on the button marked Driver File
Details. All the info you want should be there. The S3 is an 8MB card
from what i can remember though. VGA.drv is a old semi legacy driver.

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hallo Jan-Arild,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:00:56 +0200 GMT (14/08/2000, 22:00 +0800 GMT),
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> Could this possibly be a display driver issue?

May be. Let's compare:

JAL> Video adapter: Matrox Millenium II 4MB with the latest driver 4.33.045

In all the user manuals that came with my PC, one is entitled:
A.G.P. S3 Trio 3D/2X Video Accelerator. Is that it?

I also found a file called VGA.DRV in the c:\windows\system directory,
but don't know how to find out more.

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Monday, August 14, 2000, 15:00:56, you wrote:

JAL> _Very_ stable system. Not one single crash (believe it or not) ever
JAL> since I installed Win98 in august 1998.

It's Linux pretending to be Windows

Seriously though that is a very weird problem that I have never
encountered. Even with a 4MB card in it still displays OK. Try
lowering your screen res and colour depth. If it stops occurring it is
a driver issue.

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J> _Very_ stable system. Not one single crash (believe it or not) ever
J> since I installed Win98 in august 1998.

Time to come back to this side of the looking glass, Alice.

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Re: Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, August 14, 2000, 12:08:31 PM, you wrote:

> Yep; not with every message but a selected few. I have not foudn a
> pattern.

Neither have I, not in TB!, but I have found something that _might_ be
related. I am no computer guru so the following may sound stupid, and
is just a wild guess:

Could this possibly be a display driver issue? I am asking because
_exactly_ the same thing happens in Note Tab Pro (an excellent text
editor) from time to time. On the other hand, I haven't noticed
anything like this in Agent which I use for news.

> What is your operating system, RAM size, etc?

OS: Win98 (4.10.1998) OEM
CPU: Intel 300MHz PII
RAM: 64MB
Video adapter: Matrox Millenium II 4MB with the latest driver 4.33.045
Plenty of free space on my two harddrives.

_Very_ stable system. Not one single crash (believe it or not) ever
since I installed Win98 in august 1998.

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Re: Strange things when replying

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Hi Jan-Arild,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:44:47 +0200GMT (14/08/2000, 17:44 +0800GMT),
Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote:

JAL> The strange thing is that only the last 4-5 lines of the message
JAL> to which I am replying is visible in the editor. The rest of the
JAL> original message, and also the scrollbar!, has disappeared, and
JAL> the only way to get both back into view again is to press the
JAL> "Page Up"-key on the keyboard.

JAL> This happens _every time_ I reply to a message. Anyone who have
JAL> experienced anything similar?

Yep; not with every message but a selected few. I have not foudn a
pattern.

What is your operating system, RAM size, etc?

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Strange things when replying

[Jan-Arild Løkstad]

Hello All,

Pressing the "Reply"-button opens up the "Message Editor Window" with
the quote prefix preceding each lineas if you didn't know :) The
strange thing is that only the last 4-5 lines of the message to which
I am replying is visible in the editor. The rest of the original
message, and also the scrollbar!, has disappeared, and the only way to
get both back into view again is to press the "Page Up"-key on the
keyboard.

This happens _every time_ I reply to a message. Anyone who have
experienced anything similar?

Jan-Arild

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