Re: Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 19 May 2019 at 6:27:58 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-

> Just tried it. When a folder has some sub-folders,
> the counts Unread
> an Total in the parent folder will show in
> parenthesis the
> corresponding counts of the sub-folders, 

I see that in ordinary folders.



> except VFs
> if they don't have
> the option "Count in upper level" selected.  

No wonder I can't see any difference. I only have three virtual
folders and their parent is "< Root Folder >", so there is no "upper 
level".

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

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Re: Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,

> For virtual folders, in the properties dialog the Filter tab has a 
> checkbox called "Count in upper level". What does this do? I can't see
> what effect it has, although I don't know what to look for.

Just tried it. When a folder has some sub-folders, the counts Unread
an Total in the parent folder will show in parenthesis the
corresponding counts of the sub-folders, except VFs if they don't have
the option "Count in upper level" selected.

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Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level

[MFPA]

Hi

For virtual folders, in the properties dialog the Filter tab has a 
checkbox called "Count in upper level". What does this do? I can't see 
what effect it has, although I don't know what to look for.


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Re: Setting up a virtual folder on connected computers

[Achdut18]

Thanks, MFPA, for your response.

I  solved  the  problem  by  deleting  the  empty folder on the second
computer.   I  then  deleted the virtual folder on the first computer.
Then,  I  created a new virtual folder on the first computer, but this
time,  instead  of  creating  the  folder  as a plain old new virtual
folder  I  created  a  New Common Virtual Folder.And this time,
instead of it being a subfolder of the inbox, I made it a subfolder of
the  root  folder.This time it worked!   I opened TB on the second
computer  and  the  new virtual folder magically appeared, with all of
the mail it was supposed to reflect.


 On Friday 21 February 2014 at 12:44:11 AM, in
mid:1098159166.20140220184...@gmail.com, I wrote:


 the  second computer treats the virtual
 folder as a regular folder  and  NOT  as  a  virtual
 folder.   And, the new folder, on the second  computer
 is empty, even though, on the primary computer it has
 over 12,000 messages.Why is that?

To which MFPA replied:

M I don't know. But TB!'s focus is a Common Folder in the Account Tree 
M and you click CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L, in addition to anything you might 
M expect, the addressbook and spellcheck and suchlike turn up as common 
M folders within TB!. I guess any folder it finds there is dragged 
M through into TB!.

*  *  *

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Re: Setting up a virtual folder on connected computers

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 21 February 2014 at 12:44:11 AM, in
mid:1098159166.20140220184...@gmail.com, Achdut18 wrote:


 the  second computer treats the virtual
 folder as a regular folder  and  NOT  as  a  virtual
 folder.   And, the new folder, on the second  computer
 is empty, even though, on the primary computer it has
 over 12,000 messages.Why is that?

I don't know. But TB!'s focus is a Common Folder in the Account Tree 
and you click CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L, in addition to anything you might 
expect, the addressbook and spellcheck and suchlike turn up as common 
folders within TB!. I guess any folder it finds there is dragged 
through into TB!.



 How  do I get this folder to operate as a virtual
 folder on the second computer?  

I don't have two computers with TB! to test. But I found if I:-

  1. make a copy of the ACCOUNT.FLB for a TB! account
  2. start TB! 
  3. create a virtual folder in that account
  4. close TB!
  5. rename the ACCOUNT.FLB file 
  6. paste in the copy ACCOUNT.FLB I made earlier
  7. start TB!
  
The new virtual folder is gone. 

And if I then:- 

  8. close TB!
  9. delete the copy ACCOUNT.FLB I pasted in at step 6.
  A. reinstate the ACCOUNT.FLB file I renamed at step 5.
  B. start TB!
  
The new virtual folder is back.


(I picked on the ACCOUNT.FLB file because the modified date/time 
changed after creating/deleting a virtual folder.)


  Should  I  just delete
 it, and manually create the virtual folder?

My suggestion would be to delete the folder on the second computer.



 If  I  delete  the virtual folder on the second
 computer, will it also delete it on the primary
 computer?  

From my test results above, I would say only if the ACCOUNT.FLB files
are synchronised. And even then, probably only when TB! on the primary
computer is next started.


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Setting up a virtual folder on connected computers

[Achdut18]

Going  along  with  my  theme  of  interconnectivity  of  TB on a home
network,  I  have  found  that  where one computer looks to the second
computer  for  the  message  base, I am also able to create subfolders
within an account on the primary computer and it will be seen by the
second  computer.However,  I  also discovered that while a virtual
folder  created  on  the  primary  computer is also seen by the second
computer,  the  second computer treats the virtual folder as a regular
folder  and  NOT  as  a  virtual folder.   And, the new folder, on the
second  computer is empty, even though, on the primary computer it has
over 12,000 messages.Why is that?

How  do I get this folder to operate as a virtual folder on the second
computer?   Should  I  just delete it, and manually create the virtual
folder?

If  I  delete  the virtual folder on the second computer, will it also
delete it on the primary computer?


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Virtual Folder query

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

I have messed up a virtual folder and would like to start fresh with
respect to these folders.

How can I get rid of the existing virtual folders. If I delete them,
the original email is also deleted. Is there a another way to hide
these folders, create new virtual folders and refilter the base folder?

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Re: Virtual Folder query

[Tom]

I guess I just remove the existing filters?

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Re: Virtual Folder query

[MAU]

Hello Tom,

 How can I get rid of the existing virtual folders. If I delete them,
 the original email is also deleted.

No, if you delete a Virtual Folder no messages will be delete. They will 
remain in the real folders where they are. VFs don't hold any 
messages, they just 'display' messages actually residing in one or more 
real folders.

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Re: Virtual Folder query

[Tom]

Thursday, February 19, 2009, 9:02:26 PM, you wrote:

 Hello Tom,

 How can I get rid of the existing virtual folders. If I delete them,
 the original email is also deleted.

 No, if you delete a Virtual Folder no messages will be delete. They will
 remain in the real folders where they are. VFs don't hold any 
 messages, they just 'display' messages actually residing in one or more
 real folders.

Ok, but if I delete a message in a virtual folder then the original
message gets also deleted, right? In this respect they VF operate
different to copies in secondary folders.

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Re: Virtual Folder query

[MAU]

Hello Tom,

 How can I get rid of the existing virtual folders. If I delete them,
 the original email is also deleted.

 No, if you delete a Virtual Folder no messages will be delete. They will
 remain in the real folders where they are. VFs don't hold any 
 messages, they just 'display' messages actually residing in one or more
 real folders.

 Ok, but if I delete a message in a virtual folder then the original
 message gets also deleted, right? In this respect they VF operate
 different to copies in secondary folders.

Yes, if you delete a message, the original will also be deleted. VFs 
hold 'links' to messages in other folder(s) not copies of the messages.


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Virtual folder meltdown

[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

Last week I had a problem with the POP3 servers for one of my mail
accounts.  As a temporary measure, I set up another account using
IMAP.

This was OK, but I found that the Bat's IMAP ability pretty much in
line with the low expectations that I had harboured for many years.

One of the problems was that the virtual folders (my primary way of
viewing mail) just didn't seem to keep up.  Lots of duplicate messages
and false unreads were the main complaints.

Once my POP3 servers were up again, I deleted the IMAP accounts,
expecting to go back to my old reliable Bat!

Now I find that the virtual folders still don't work properly.  Unread
mails are counted twice and it takes a restart to clear the unread
count (even though there are no unread messages in any real
folders).

I'm getting desperate now.

I've tried a full restore of the Bat!  file structure (copy from a
ghosted disk, not the Bat's internal system) and a restore of the
registry.

Any suggestions?

It's unusable as it is.

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New mail virtual folder in v 2.12

[rich gregory]

Hello Bat-Folk!

Odd behavior I'm just noticing...

The VF All New Mail drops messages that are moved from the top level
Inbox folder to newly created sub-folders.

The VF does not stop displaying any message if moved into an already
existing folder but if I create a new folder in the act of CTRL-M moving
such a new mssg it is lost from the list of ALL new mssgs.

The problem is that the VF properties Select Folders dialog does not
have new folders checked.

Is there a way to tell my New Mail VF to keep up with newly created
folders?

(Closing and restarting TB! does not help.)

Thx all,
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Re: New mail virtual folder in v 2.12

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo rich,

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:48:46 -0400GMT (2-8-2007, 21:48 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RG Odd behavior I'm just noticing...

Not that odd...

RG The VF All New Mail drops messages that are moved from the top level
RG Inbox folder to newly created sub-folders.

That's as expected. You've selected a number of folders that should be
checked by the virtual folder. New folders are (per definition) not
selected until you do so.
Therefore their new messages aren't displayed.

RG Is there a way to tell my New Mail VF to keep up with newly created
RG folders?

Yes, by selecting the new folders in the filter of the VF. Has to be
done manually though.

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All new mail virtual folder

[rich gregory]

Hello Bat-Folk!

I had (then accidently deleted) a virtual folder that showed ALL UNREAD
email in the account.

I see where I can create a virtual folder (and a common virtual folder)
but I do not see where I tell these folders that they are for only
unread messages. (I assume a common folder reads multiple accounts.)

How/where is that folder recreated (using TB! 2.12)?

Thanks all,
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Re: All new mail virtual folder

[Marten Gallagher]

 Hello Bat-Folk!

 I had (then accidently deleted) a virtual folder that showed ALL UNREAD
 email in the account.

 I see where I can create a virtual folder (and a common virtual folder)
 but I do not see where I tell these folders that they are for only
 unread messages. (I assume a common folder reads multiple accounts.)

 How/where is that folder recreated (using TB! 2.12)?

Isn't it Right Click on Folder itself  Properties  Filter etc?

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Re[2]: All new mail virtual folder

[rich gregory]

 [I want] a virtual folder that showed ALL UNREAD email in the account.
 I do not see where I tell these folders that they are for only
 unread messages.

MG Isn't it Right Click on Folder itself  Properties  Filter etc?



Ah HA! Yes, it is a filter applied to the folder. I didn't even see any
filter options before as they do not show up until the filter box is
checked... No wonder I spaced it.

Thx mch
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Re: Virtual Folder or Common Virtual Folder

[MAU]

Hello Marten,


 Virtual Folder or Common Virtual Folder

 The difference is...???

There is no functional difference. Normal VFs are created within an
account and that's how they will appear in the folder tree (and mail
directory in disk). Common VFs are created _outside_ any account.

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Re: Virtual Folder or Common Virtual Folder

[Marten Gallagher]

 Virtual Folder or Common Virtual Folder

 Normal VFs are created within an
 Common VFs are created _outside_ any account.

Thank you, understood.

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Virtual Folder or Common Virtual Folder

[Marten Gallagher]

Virtual Folder or Common Virtual Folder

The difference is...???

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Need a Virtual Folder Filter

[Robert D.]

I've lost my VF Filter that looked in Header Field 'References:' to
see if the particular message was in reference to something I had
posted.

Presently, I cannot see how to make a VF Filter for that because
looking at 'Filter' from 'Properties' OF the particular filter does
not produce the choice for 'Header Field'.

Whereas, Looking at filters in a regular account does produce that
available choice. The VF I have 'Replies-to-Me' lies in the
über-Accounts, or Global, or whatever we want to call it. I want
Incoming, unread traffic filtered to see if it's a thread I'm in then
mirrored obviously in the VF.

I previously got help on this from ya'all but recently lost it while
re-loading various previous versions and then reverting back to this
current Beta.

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Re: Need a Virtual Folder Filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Robert D.  everyone else,

on 30-Apr-2006 at 14:12 you (Robert D.) wrote:

 Whereas, Looking at filters in a regular account does produce that
 available choice. The VF I have 'Replies-to-Me' lies in the
 über-Accounts, or Global, or whatever we want to call it. I want
 Incoming, unread traffic filtered to see if it's a thread I'm in then
 mirrored obviously in the VF.

Create a regular filter that sets a color group for those messages you
want to appear in the VF. I created a color group directly to me for
messages that contain (the domain part of) my message-ids in the
in-reply-to header.

In the VF I filter for that color group.

Maybe the restriction of the headers filter to regular filters is
because of the performance.

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Re: Need a Virtual Folder Filter

[Robert D.]

Recently, Alexander S. Kunz squawked :

 In the VF I filter for that color group.

OK Alexander. I made a color group and , via this reply to you,  am
testing to see if it works ...

drumming fingertips on desk, waiting to see...
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Re: Need a Virtual Folder Filter

[Robert D.]

We know that Alexander S. Kunz fervently re-stated

 In the VF I filter for that color group.


Bingo!

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Re: Virtual folder bug?

[MAU]

Hello Larry,

 I have a virtual folder se tup to read 3 accounts.  Occasionally I
 see a message in one of the actual accounts but not in the virtual. 
 However when I exit and then go back into TB it shows up in the virtual 
 folder.

 Is this a bug or known issue?

I don't know if if this is related to your problem, but this 'old' bug

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4722

has recently been reported as fixed in Beta 3.72.02.

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Virtual folder bug?

[Larry Wing]

I have a virtual folder se tup to read 3 accounts.  Occasionally I see a 
message in one of the actual accounts but not in the virtual.  However when I 
exit and then go back into TB it shows up in the virtual folder.  

Is this a bug or known issue?

Thanks,
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Re: Virtual folder filtered by hours

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello rich,

Friday, March 10, 2006, 2:16:58 AM, you wrote:

 I did look at the properties|filters screen but alas, no. There is no
 AGE option there.  :(

Select Use Filter, click on Any message, select age. Should be
pretty straightforward from there...


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Virtual folder filtered by hours

[rich gregory]

Hello Bat-Folk!

In v2.12 is there a way to tell a NEW MAIL virtual folder to display
only those mssgs that are less than 72 hours old?

Thx
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Re[2]: Virtual folder filtered by hours

[rich gregory]

rg In v2.12 is there a way to tell a NEW MAIL virtual folder to
rg display only those mssgs that are less than 72 hours old?

PO As it has been quite some moons ago since I used that one, have a
PO look at: [ your VF | Properties | Filter ] Do you have Age
PO available as filter condition? If so, configure it as Age is less
PO than 3 days. That should do the job.


I did look at the properties|filters screen but alas, no. There is no
AGE option there.  :(




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Re: Virtual folder filtered by hours

[Stephane Bouvard [ML]]

Hi,

,- - [ Le vendredi 10 mars 2006 vers 2:16 rich gregory écrivait: ] - -
|
rg In v2.12 is there a way to tell a NEW MAIL virtual folder to
rg display only those mssgs that are less than 72 hours old?

 I did look at the properties|filters screen but alas, no. There is no
 AGE option there.  :(

Check advanced filter settings then add an age filter condition.

|
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Virtual folder strangeness

[rich gregory]

Hello Bat-Folk!

I successfully set up a new VF that only displays NEW mssgs.

As with all my folders, it is sorted by date recv'd with newer mssgs
at the bottom.

Strangely, sometimes when I delete a mssg from this folder the
selection highlight jumps up, selecting some other place much higher
(older) in the list.

A known bug? A setting? Hummm.

PS -- What does store state between sessions mean?

Thanks all
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Re: Virtual folder strangeness

[Chris]

rich gregory @ 1/27/2006 10:32:04 AM
Virtual folder strangeness mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 What does store state between sessions mean?

It means that the contents of the virtual folder (i.e., those messages
that matched the filter) will be remembered between invocations of The
Bat!

Without it, The Bat! will rescan the search folders each time it
starts up. This way, it will always have the latest messages. However,
it may be slower. If you do choose to preserve the state between
sessions, you can always force a rescan by pressing ESC.

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Re[2]: Virtual folder strangeness

[rich gregory]

 What does store state between sessions mean?

C It means that the contents of the virtual folder (i.e., those
C messages that matched the filter) will be remembered between
C invocations of The Bat! Without it, The Bat! will rescan the search
C folders each time it starts up. This way, it will always have the
C latest messages. However, it may be slower. If you do choose to
C preserve the state between sessions, you can always force a rescan
C by pressing ESC.



Is there ever a time when you would not want this checked?

The only changes to TB!'s database are via TB! so how else could the
contents of the VF change?


Thx
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Re: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo z5worg,

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 00:53:01 -0400GMT (6-9-2005, 6:53 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

Z I just noticed that all my other Common folders are deleted from the
Z Account List.

  embarrassed look It never occurred to me that you might have
  common folders. I guess that is because I don't use them myself.

Z But why the normal Ctrl+Shift+UpArrow does not work in this case???  [It
Z works for the common folder Trash.]

I'd supposed it should.

Z My last problem is creating the sub-folders under $known$.  Usually, the
Z Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L would recover lost sub-folders.  But when I put my
Z cursor on the $Known$, and try to recover lost sub-folders, TB
Z recovers ALL Accounts and their sub-folders -- i.e. I get a duplicate
Z of everything.

Close TB
Rename the known directory
create a new known directoty
Start TB
Create matching folders in the known folder
Close TB
Delete the new known tree
Give the old known directory its original name
Start TB


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Re: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo z5worg,

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:18:19 -0400GMT (5-9-2005, 3:18 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

Z I installed v.2 on my laptop (Win98SE) a few days ago.  I had a 1.6x
Z before; but I didn't find an uninstall, so I simply deleted 1.6x; and
Z installed v.2

It wasn't necessary to uninstall v1, you should have installed v2 on
top of it.
But next time you remove TB, do so via the software panel of the
configuration screen.

Z After setting up all the Accounts, somehow I ended up with an extra
Z yellow folder (I'll call it Folder 1A) at the end (of my Account
Z list) that is a duplicate of one of my accounts (Folder 1). I don't know
Z how it got there.  Both Folder 1 and 1A has the same name.

Is it listed outside your regular accounts?
In that case exit TB, browse to your mail directory and check for any
account.flx and account.flb files and move them to another location.
Whatever you do, don't delete them (you might want to undo this action
when the results are unsatisfactory) and don't remove the same files
from your account directories. Nor should you touch any of the other
account.* files.

Just report back after you've done this, please.

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Re: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello z5worg,

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:22:57 -0400 GMT (05/09/2005, 12:22 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

zzc For my future information, how would I uninstall The Bat!?

The normal way is via the Windows Add/Remove Programs function. I
understand it didn't work in your case.

 So, in order to fix your problem, we would need to look into your
 registry key and into the folder structure on your harddisk.

zzc What exactly am I looking for?

zzc I search in the Registry for the Account name (that has the duplicate);
zzc and it was only listed ONCE in [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\RIT\The
zzc Bat!\Users Depot].

I see you are familiar with the registry. Yes, this is where I would
have looked.

zzc Before I install v.2, I deleted the entire
zzc [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\RIT]

Good. You didn't mention this before.

zzc Would it help to uninstall and reinstall at this point? If yes,
zzc what is the procedure that would involve the least amount of
zzc work?

At this point, I suggest to follow Roelof's advice and see
what happens.

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Re[2]: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[z5worg]

Monday, September 05, 2005, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hallo z5worg,

 On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:18:19 -0400GMT (5-9-2005, 3:18 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

 
 But next time you remove TB, do so via the software panel of the
 configuration screen.

You mean Add/Remove Program in Windows?


Z After setting up all the Accounts, somehow I ended up with an extra
Z yellow folder (I'll call it Folder 1A) at the end (of my Account
Z list) that is a duplicate of one of my accounts (Folder 1). I don't know
Z how it got there.  Both Folder 1 and 1A has the same name.

 Is it listed outside your regular accounts?
 In that case exit TB, browse to your mail directory and check for any
 account.flx and account.flb files and move them to another location.
 .

 Just report back after you've done this, please.

It cured the problem.  Thanks.

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Re[3]: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[z5worg]

Monday, September 05, 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Monday, September 05, 2005, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Z After setting up all the Accounts, somehow I ended up with an extra
Z yellow folder (I'll call it Folder 1A) at the end (of my Account
Z list) that is a duplicate of one of my accounts (Folder 1). I don't know
Z how it got there.  Both Folder 1 and 1A has the same name.

 Is it listed outside your regular accounts?
 In that case exit TB, browse to your mail directory and check for any
 account.flx and account.flb files and move them to another location.
 .

 Just report back after you've done this, please.

 It cured the problem.  Thanks.

I just noticed that all my other Common folders are deleted from the
Account List. Luckily, there are only two Common folders -- $Known$
(Inbox-Known) and Trash. So I added those two. However, TB puts all new
folders at the bottom of the list. And I can't move $Known$ up to the
3rd position. So, I edited the AccOrder.cfg; and that seems to work.

But why the normal Ctrl+Shift+UpArrow does not work in this case???  [It
works for the common folder Trash.]

My last problem is creating the sub-folders under $known$.  Usually, the
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L would recover lost sub-folders.  But when I put my
cursor on the $Known$, and try to recover lost sub-folders, TB
recovers ALL Accounts and their sub-folders -- i.e. I get a duplicate
of everything.

Is there a way to recover the sub-folders of $Known$ ONLY?  If yes,
how?

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How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[z5worg]

I installed v.2 on my laptop (Win98SE) a few days ago.  I had a 1.6x
before; but I didn't find an uninstall, so I simply deleted 1.6x; and
installed v.2

After setting up all the Accounts, somehow I ended up with an extra
yellow folder (I'll call it Folder 1A) at the end (of my Account
list) that is a duplicate of one of my accounts (Folder 1). I don't know
how it got there.  Both Folder 1 and 1A has the same name.

I tried to delete that Folder 1A; but it says that there are parked
messages, and I have to unparked them first.  And I found that as I
unparked the messages in Folder 1A, the same thing happened in Folder 1.

Is Folder 1A a Common folder or a Virtual folder?  And how do I delete
it without affecting Folder 1?

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Re: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello z5worg,

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:18:19 -0400 GMT (05/09/2005, 08:18 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


zzc Is Folder 1A a Common folder or a Virtual folder?  And how do I delete
zzc it without affecting Folder 1?

It's neither a common nor a virutal folder, it's a duplicate. It was
likely caused by deleting rather than uninstalling the previsou TB
version (by the way, you could have just installed the new version
over it, no need to uninstall).

So, in order to fix your problem, we would need to look into your
registry key and into the folder structure on your harddisk.

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Re[2]: How to delete a Common/Virtual Folder

[z5worg]

Sunday, September 04, 2005, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:18:19 -0400 GMT (05/09/2005, 08:18 +0700 GMT),
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

zzc Is Folder 1A a Common folder or a Virtual folder?  And how do I delete
zzc it without affecting Folder 1?

 It's neither a common nor a virutal folder, it's a duplicate. It was
 likely caused by deleting rather than uninstalling the previsou TB
 version (by the way, you could have just installed the new version
 over it, no need to uninstall).

For my future information, how would I uninstall The Bat!?

 So, in order to fix your problem, we would need to look into your
 registry key and into the folder structure on your harddisk.

What exactly am I looking for?

I search in the Registry for the Account name (that has the duplicate);
and it was only listed ONCE in [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\RIT\The
Bat!\Users Depot].

Before I install v.2, I deleted the entire [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\RIT]

Would it help to uninstall and reinstall at this point?  If yes, what
is the procedure that would involve the least amount of work?

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Virtual folder strange behavior when deleting message

[Jarle H. Knudsen]

I have a virtual folder that contains messages from several physical
folders with a filter that selects based on sender. The virtual folder
is sorted on the received column.

When I delete a message in the virtual folder with the delete-key the
displayed message is not the next one according to the sort, but a
totally different one.

This is obviously not the expected behavior and it makes it difficult
to go through all the messages in the folder.

Can anyone offer any help or advice on how to remedy the situation or
as to why The Bat! behaves like this?


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Re: Virtual folder strange behavior when deleting message

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Jarle,

  A reminder of what Jarle H. Knudsen typed on:
  May 1, 2005 at 12:46:54 GMT +0200


JHK Can anyone offer any help or advice on how to remedy the situation or
JHK as to why The Bat! behaves like this?

I cannot confirm this specific behavior but when I select a message to
delete the message is not deleted and it moves to the next message.
Reselecting and deleting a second time does delete the message. This
does not happen to every message so something is not consistent. Any
confirmations.


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Re: Virtual folder strange behavior when deleting message

[Robin Anson]

Stuart

On Sun 1 May 2005, 23:39:33 +1000, Stuart Cuddy wrote:
 I cannot confirm this specific behavior but when I select a message to
 delete the message is not deleted and it moves to the next message.
 Reselecting and deleting a second time does delete the message. This
 does not happen to every message so something is not consistent. Any
 confirmations.

I think you will find that the first time you delete the message it
moves to the trash folder, but the conditions that cause it to remain in
the virtual folder still apply, so it is still there. Second time you
delete it removes it from the trash folder and it then disappears from
the virtual folder.

If you have the folder displayed as part of your virtual folder view,
this will be apparent.

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Re[2]: Virtual folder strange behavior when deleting message

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Robin,
Sunday, May 1, 2005, 5:30:21 PM, you wrote:

RA Stuart

RA On Sun 1 May 2005, 23:39:33 +1000, Stuart Cuddy wrote:
 I cannot confirm this specific behavior but when I select a message to
 delete the message is not deleted and it moves to the next message.
 Reselecting and deleting a second time does delete the message. This
 does not happen to every message so something is not consistent. Any
 confirmations.

RA I think you will find that the first time you delete the message it
RA moves to the trash folder, but the conditions that cause it to remain in
RA the virtual folder still apply, so it is still there. Second time you
RA delete it removes it from the trash folder and it then disappears from
RA the virtual folder.

RA If you have the folder displayed as part of your virtual folder view,
RA this will be apparent.

I  see,  in  other words do not include your trash folder in a Virtual
folder.

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Virtual Folder and Count in upper level

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

What does the Virtual Folder-option Count in Upper Level do?

BTW, the documentation of VFs are more than weak in the help file.

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Virtual folder - Source Folder

[Joe]

Hello,
 Is there a way to tell what folder the message is really in when you
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Re: Virtual folder - Source Folder

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Joe and list,

On Friday, September 10, 2004 at 11:58:53 GMT -0400 (which was 17:58
where I live) Joe wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable
points on the subject of Virtual folder -  Source Folder:



 Hello,
  Is there a way to tell what folder the message is really in when you
  use a virtual folder?

Yes. You can select a view mode for the VF in which you include the
column folder.

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Re[2]: Virtual folder - Source Folder

[Joe]

Hello Michael,
--
Friday, September 10, 2004, 12:17:51 PM, you wrote:

 Hi Joe and list,

 On Friday, September 10, 2004 at 11:58:53 GMT -0400 (which was 17:58
 where I live) Joe wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable
 points on the subject of Virtual folder -  Source Folder:

 Yes. You can select a view mode for the VF in which you include the
 column folder.

Daa!!!  How stupid of me.  I didn't even check the columns.
Thanks..

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Virtual Folder Problem

[Alexander]

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to set up a Virtual Folder that contains all mail correspondence
*from* and *to* the members of a specific address book group (with threaded
view, would be very handy to watch all kinds of private conversations with
these people). Sounds easy...

Here's what I've entered in the filter settings for the VF:

 Address book group bla contains sender
 OR address book group bla contains first recipient

I then selected my inbox and my sent folder to be watched, and after
clicking OK it takes a moment until I get an out of memory error. After
that, the selected folders are de-selected again (which may be a security
measure, in case the VF doesn't work?). When I select the same folders
again, I sometimes get the same error again, sometimes TB becomes
completely unresponsive.

Now, I have some 3500 mails in my sent folder, but: doing the exact same
thing with a VF that is looking for mails from or to *one* specific
person/mail address only works without problems. So, I assume it is a bug
in TB. Can anyone try this and confirm it or give me a hint, in case I
missed something?

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Re: Virtual Folder Problem

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _o   Was Sun, 29 Aug 2004, at 19:13:30 +0200,
   @  @  when Alexander wrote:

 Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion. --
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Quarks also have opinions. :)


















































They do not move by the laws of physics, but by their will. :-) Or
mood. They change their path lines without reason, behaving
unexpectedly, like women. :)

Mist(er)y...

That's fine.

So... we always have to expect unexpected, including TB atoms.

I don't know if this can help a bit, but is good to make a gaze break,
sometimes, watching the full Moon, and sipping the soft mystery, slowly,
around.

:-)

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Re: Virtual Folder Problem

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Sunday, August 29, 2004 it appears that Alexander
wrote the following in regards to Virtual Folder Problem:

A I'm trying to set up a Virtual Folder that contains all mail correspondence
A *from* and *to* the members of a specific address book group (with threaded
A view, would be very handy to watch all kinds of private conversations with
A these people). Sounds easy... [big snip]

A I then selected my inbox and my sent folder to be watched, and after
A clicking OK it takes a moment until I get an out of memory error. After
A that, the selected folders are de-selected again (which may be a security
A measure, in case the VF doesn't work?). When I select the same folders
A again, I sometimes get the same error again, sometimes TB becomes
A completely unresponsive.

A Now, I have some 3500 mails in my sent folder, but: doing the exact same
A thing with a VF that is looking for mails from or to *one* specific
A person/mail address only works without problems. So, I assume it
A is a bug [/snip]

Hi Alexander.

 I tried your experiment but set it up a little differently.

 However in this case I don't think it makes a difference because I
 encountered a similar problem as the one you describe.

 For the record, this was my set up:

 recipient = a
 sender = a
 subject = b
 message = b

 selected folders: in  known in several accounts

 As soon as I clicked ok after setting up all the parameters, TB!
 froze. The next time I tried it, it shuddered but then completed
 the task. But it was not an easy process for TB! and I had it
 searching folders that had only a few messages in them. So my
 conclusion is that there probably is a problem somewhere.

 Now I'm using a beta version so I'm going to take the liberty of
 cross posting this on the beta list. Hope you don't mind.

 HTH

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What to do with my new virtual folder...

[Jurgen Haug]

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Hallo Fledermäuse,

I was setting up a new virtual folder, that shows me all mails that are
larger than 512 KB. That works quite nicely, and now I wonder what to do
with that information :-)
Is it possible to set up a filter that saves the attachement(s) into a
folder, BUT that keeps a link to that saved file(s) in the mail??? I
wouldn't want to just have the attachements removed and then I don't know
what was the attachement when looking at such a stripped mail.

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Actual folder of a message in a virtual folder

[Dan Grunberg]

Is there a way of showing in a virtual folder, which folders the
messages actually are in?



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Re: Actual folder of a message in a virtual folder

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Dan Grunberg

-
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, at 10:13:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:13 AM where
I live) you wrote:
 Is there a way of showing in a virtual folder, which folders the
 messages actually are in?

Yes, set up a view mode specific to your virtual folder. Then, in
View Mode Setup, set to display Folder.


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Re: Actual folder of a message in a virtual folder

[Dan Grunberg]

Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:26:11 -0700 (10:26 AM EDT here) Kevin Amazon wrote:

 Hi Dan Grunberg

 Is there a way of showing in a virtual folder, which folders the
 messages actually are in?

 Yes, set up a view mode specific to your virtual folder. Then, in
 View Mode Setup, set to display Folder.

Thank you, Kevin.


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Virtual folder filters

[Code 2]

The filters for setting up virtual folders seem to permit a message to
reside in only one virtual folder at any one time, despite the filter
parameters meeting the requirements of several virtual folders.

Any way of getting a message to appear in more than one virtual folder
at the same time?

Also, you can't seem to filter by text appearing in the body of a
message, as with a filter for a regular folder.  Pretty annoying.
Does anyone know of a work-around?

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Re[2]: Virtual folder filters

[Code 2]

C2 The filters for setting up virtual folders seem to permit a
C2 message to reside in only one virtual folder at any one time,
C2 despite the filter parameters meeting the requirements of several
C2 virtual folders.

C2 Any way of getting a message to appear in more than one virtual folder
C2 at the same time?

PO Not confirmed. This, as far as I can recall, has always been possible
PO for VFs, using filter conditions which allow it.

PO Have you tried creating more than one VF, different names, same
PO filter conditions?

C2 Also, you can't seem to filter by text appearing in the body of a
C2 message, as with a filter for a regular folder.  Pretty annoying.
C2 Does anyone know of a work-around?

PO Filter on Message source, which also includes the headers.

Worked like a charm.  Thanks Peter.  So the Message Source parameter
is not only the header, but it also includes the body (text) of the
message.

I don't know why, but adding the Message Source filter also solved the
issue above where the same message should have been appearing in
multiple virtual folders.  Maybe the auto refresh just needed a good
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bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello TBUDL,

I have a Virtual Folder SPAM, where the Filter is Colour is Spam. It
searches in all folders, except other VFs and some account trash
folders.

The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I
delete them from Inbox.
I've turned the message folder column of, so this is not the mail that
went to trash.

Though when the marked messages gets read or assigned to another colour
group the VF is updated correctly.

This is reproducable, also after restarting.

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Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder

[MAU]

Hello dAniel,

 The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I
 delete them from Inbox.

Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF?

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Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello TBUDL,

on Sat, 5. Jun 2004 at 20:54:08 +0200 MAU wrote:

 The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I
 delete them from Inbox.
 Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF?

I tried that using 'esc' before, but with Folder-Refresh now it works.

After doing so, it now also refreshed automatically correctly (at least
once). Perhaps that fixed it.

Thanks.


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Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:54:08 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:54 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

 The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I
 delete them from Inbox.

M Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF?

I just did that, and the VF seems to work correctly now. :-)

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Re: Virtual folder question

[Dean]

 Hello MAU,

 Thursday, April 29, 2004, 4:06:47 AM, you wrote:
  :

M VFs don't hold any messages (not even copies), just pointers to
M messages in other non-virtual folders.

Thanks for the explanation.   I had moved all my account  filter back to the
original Spam folder and low and behold, pointers started appearing.
Appreciate your assist :)
 

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Virtual folder question

[Dean]

Hello,

 I had three filters that were set up to send what I considered spam messages to
 the trash folder. I figured I needed to get a supply of spam messages to teach
 the antispam program. I created a virtual folder to hold my filtered spam. Then
 I was going to run the antispam program through the folder to identify spam
 messages.

 The spam messages are moving to the virtual folder as I can see
 the size of the folder growing and the number of unread messages is growing.
 What is funny is that I cannot see these new messages.  The folder shows I have
 34 new messages, yet I cannot see them whatsoever.

 I admit I am experimenting with this virtual folder concept so maybe I don't
 understand that one is not supposed to send new messages to that type of
 folder?  Could someone explain what I'm doing wrong or if virtual folders are
 just for storage of old messages?

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Re: Virtual folder question

[MAU]

Hello Dean,

 I admit I am experimenting with this virtual folder concept so maybe I
 don't understand that one is not supposed to send new messages to that
 type of folder? Could someone explain what I'm doing wrong or if
 virtual folders are just for storage of old messages?

VFs don't hold any messages (not even copies), just pointers to
messages in other non-virtual folders.

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Re: Virtual folder question

[Samson]

that's exactly how i understand.

actually i found you cannot  use search dialog to find anything in VF. the result is 
always empty.
this should be a working feature, for example, i have a filter for all flagged 
messages, then i
want to search among them for the mail with subject text urgent.

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Re: Virtual folder question

[MAU]

Hello Samson,

 actually i found you cannot use search dialog to find anything in
 VF. the result is always empty. this should be a working feature, for
 example, i have a filter for all flagged messages, then i want to
 search among them for the mail with subject text urgent.

You can do that on the VF itself. Select the VF folder properties and, on
the Filter tab, aside of Flagged select use filter and enter Subject
is urgent.

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Deleting messages in virtual folder

[Anselm Buehling]

Hm. I just decided to play around with the virtual folder feature -
admittedly without in-depth-knowledge of the concept.

I created a common virtual folder and instructed it to collect all my
unreplied mail which  goes to a certain account. I also set it to
monitor my existing folders for unreplied messages to that account.

I opened the folder and found that it did indeed contain all unreplied
messages addressed to the account in question. Just fine. Now I wanted
to empty the folder, because I intended to use it for new unreplied
messages rather than for my old ones.

I was cautious enough to backup my folders before trying. And that
proved to be very wise. Having emptied the virtual folder (using the
context menu command in the virtual folder view, in which no other
folders where displayed), I found that all messages which had been
collected by the virtual folder had in fact been deleted from the
existing non-virtual folders. They were still present in the virtual
folder though.

What did I do wrong? I would have expected that the virtual folder
contains only links to the messages which it collects, and I wanted to
delete these links in the virtual folder rather than real messages in
my existing folders. should I have used another command to achieve
this - and if so, which one?

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Re: Deleting messages in virtual folder

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Anselm,

@22-Apr-2004, 14:22 +0200 (22-Apr 13:22 UK time) Anselm Buehling
[AB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

AB I created a common virtual folder and instructed it to collect
AB all my unreplied mail which goes to a certain account. I also
AB set it to monitor my existing folders for unreplied messages to
AB that account.

... snip

AB What did I do wrong? I would have expected that the virtual
AB folder contains only links to the messages which it collects,

It does sort of. Delete a message from a virtual folder and you
delete the *message*, not the link. That's a biggy. Do anything to a
message in a VF and you do it to the original. It's not a cop0y of
the message, it's a convenient access point for the real thing.

AB and I wanted to delete these links in the virtual folder rather
AB than real messages in my existing folders. should I have used
AB another command to achieve this - and if so, which one?

Simple - change the filter! Then press Esc to refresh the VF.

Oh - and I have a little trout for you about your Cut Mark - but
I'll do that separately.

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Re: Deleting messages in virtual folder

[Anselm Buehling]

Dear Marck

 That's a biggy. Do anything to a message in a VF and you do it to
 the original. It's not a cop0y of the message, it's a convenient
 access point for the real thing.

Got that, thanks!

 Oh - and I have a little trout for you about your Cut Mark - but
 I'll do that separately.

Got that, too. Better now?

Kind regards,

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Re: Deleting messages in virtual folder

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Anselm,

@22-Apr-2004, 18:08 +0200 (22-Apr 17:08 UK time) Anselm Buehling
[AB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

 Oh - and I have a little trout for you about your Cut Mark - but
 I'll do that separately.

AB Got that, too. Better now?

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AV - Virtual Folder related?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello,

I  created  a  simple  Virtual  Folder:  Filtering  to show all unread
messages.  While  browsing  the  contents  of  the folder, I had an AV
77F69ECD in module ntdll.dll write of address 0010.

At  the  very moment of the AV I was receiving new emails (I know that
because  a wav file plays when new email arrives and I heard it). This
AV however, doesn't happen every time new email arrives.

As  a result of the AV no message could be seen in any of the folders.
I had to restart The Bat to be able to see them.

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Re: AV - Virtual Folder related?

[Johnny Skaaning]

Hi Costas,

CP As  a result of the AV no message could be seen in any of the folders.
CP I had to restart The Bat to be able to see them.

Similar experience here one time today. However, I am not sure whether
it was in connection with the AV I've described in previous posts, or
if it happened at another time: All messages appear gone - the
messagelist pane was just plain white, but randomly clicking in there
proved that the messages were still there. Plus, the AV I got was not
in a dll but in Thebat.exe.

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TB! V1.52f - ticker virtual folder

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Hello TBUDListers.

   It used to be that when I clicked on the ticker I'd get a list of
   all new msgs in a virtual folder. Now when I click on the ticker I
   get a single msg. What am I missing? TIA

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Re: TB! V1.52f - ticker virtual folder

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Hello Jan,

Although I don't use the tickler .. i believe I saw this weekend that
a d-click on the message brought it up in the msg window.  I had to
reinstall tb and the tickler was defaulted.

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JRget a single msg. What am I missing? TIA

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Re: TB! V1.52f - ticker virtual folder

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Jan,

On Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 4:50:28 PM you wrote:

JR Hello TBUDListers.

JRIt used to be that when I clicked on the ticker I'd get a list of
JRall new msgs in a virtual folder. Now when I click on the ticker I
JRget a single msg. What am I missing? TIA

AFAIR you get only THIS new message in the Ticker for which you don't
have disabled the Show unread message in MailTicker(tm) option
(either in Account-Settings for Inbox  Co, or in Folder-based
properties). So if there's only one message in a folder showing it's
new mails in ticker and all other new mails resist in folders with
disabled ticker-funtion there's only ONE message in the virtual
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Re[2]: Virtual folder

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Hello A.,

Sunday, September 17, 2000, 2:26:16 PM, you wrote:



KE so i just hide it. If there was a way to read the ticker, (is it a
KE window with scrolling text or what?) i'd consider using it, but as
KE it is now i'm glad i can hide it.

ACM Hehe. But remember that the tickers text properties is configurable. You
ACM can choose whatever font and size to use, even a variable width font.
ACM ;-))

But i don't think that's the problem. The thing is that because the
text in the ticker seems to be scrolling, my screen reader goes nuts
when it tries to read it... Well perhaps not nuts but it presents me
with some difficulties, and i couldn't hide the ticker until i by
mistake right clicked and got a poput menu with the option to hide it,
and it seemed to screw up my screen... Well, nuff whining, i don't use
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Re: Virtual folder

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On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:40:29 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

ACM Hehe. But remember that the tickers text properties is
ACM configurable. You can choose whatever font and size to use, even a
ACM variable width font. ;-))

KE But i don't think that's the problem. The thing is that because the
KE text in the ticker seems to be scrolling, my screen reader goes nuts
KE when it tries to read it... Well perhaps not nuts but it presents me
KE with some difficulties, and i couldn't hide the ticker until i by
KE mistake right clicked and got a poput menu with the option to hide it,
KE and it seemed to screw up my screen... Well, nuff whining, i don't use
KE it now but i'll check out the configuration possibilities.

:-) Yeah, I understand you perfectly now. Thomas clarified things for
me. When you said that you were blind I thought you were exaggerating,
something that is done in my parts a lot by those who can see but wear
thick lenses. g Now I realize that you meant it.

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Re: Virtual folder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Krister,

On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:37:01 +0200 GMT (16/09/2000, 23:37 +0800 GMT),
Krister Ekstrom wrote:

MDP Aha!  If you double click on the ticker you get a folder browse window
MDP open  up.  It  may just look like a message view. If it does, then use
MDP the  view menu to enable the Message list. See? It's a folder view ...

KE Too bad though that the ticker is hardly usable for us blind folks, so
KE i just hide it. If there was a way to read the ticker, (is it a window
KE with scrolling text or what?)

Yes it is.

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Re: Virtual folder

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:37:01 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

MDP Aha!  If you double click on the ticker you get a folder browse window
MDP open  up.  It  may just look like a message view. If it does, then use
MDP the  view menu to enable the Message list. See? It's a folder view ...

KE Too bad though that the ticker is hardly usable for us blind folks,
KE so i just hide it. If there was a way to read the ticker, (is it a
KE window with scrolling text or what?) i'd consider using it, but as
KE it is now i'm glad i can hide it.

Hehe. But remember that the tickers text properties is configurable. You
can choose whatever font and size to use, even a variable width font.
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Re: Virtual folder

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Allie,

On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:26:16 -0500 GMT (17/09/2000, 20:26 +0800 GMT),
A . Curtis Martin wrote:

KE Too bad though that the ticker is hardly usable for us blind folks,
KE so i just hide it. If there was a way to read the ticker, (is it a
KE window with scrolling text or what?) i'd consider using it, but as
KE it is now i'm glad i can hide it.

ACM Hehe. But remember that the tickers text properties is configurable. You
ACM can choose whatever font and size to use, even a variable width font.
ACM ;-))

This doesn't help the screen reading software. It moves. It cannot be
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Virtual folder

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello friends,

You have to make some things clear to me... When I open virtual folder
(by double-clicking on Mail Ticker) when still receiving mail, why
does Mail Ticker still showing messages (new ones)? How can I (when
Virtual folder is opened) all new incoming mail send directly in
Virtual folder not to Mail Ticker? In ViewDisplay I selected Only
unread messages (is that ok?). And how to set that option default?
Every time I start Virtual folder ViewDisplay is set to All messages.

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Re: Virtual folder

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Hi Vladimir,

On 17 September 2000 at 01:52:23 GMT +0200 (which was 00:52 where I
live) Vladimir Mincev wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Virtual folder":

VM How can I (when Virtual folder is opened) all new incoming mail
VM send directly in Virtual folder not to Mail Ticker?

Yes  -  it's a problem. The virtual folder only contains a snapshot of
the  ticker  contents at the moment it was summoned. I usually Ctrl-U,
Esc,  hotkey  (Mark  current  unread,  close  ticker folder, re-open
ticker folder whenever there has been more mail incoming.

Right now, there's no other way.

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Virtual folder

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello Marck,

Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:54:55 PM, you wrote:

MDP Now,  show  me  another  client  that  handles multiple accounts, with
MDP template  facilities  like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and
MDP the  very  useful  ticker  and its' virtual folder for reading all new
 ^^ - what do you mean by virtual 
folder?
MDP mail. I don't believe there is one.

I am using The Bat! for a while but I still don't know what is a
virtual folder (or is it *view* folder you mean by saying *virtual*?)
and how to use it... I looked in help (index and find) but with no
success... Please tell me more about it.

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Virtual Folder Refresh?

[Chuck Mattsen]

I'm still relatively new to using the mail ticker's "virtual folder"
to read my mail ... is there no way to refresh the virtual folder as
new mail arrives, short of shutting it down and reopening it?

Chuck
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Re: Virtual Folder Refresh?

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Hi Chuck,

On 10 August 2000 at 17:14:39 GMT -0500 (which was 23:14 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Virtual Folder Refresh?":

CM I'm still relatively new to using the mail ticker's "virtual folder"
CM to read my mail ... is there no way to refresh the virtual folder as
CM new mail arrives, short of shutting it down and reopening it?

Sadly  -  no.  Another lament of mine about the ticker virtual view is
that  colour  filtrations  don't show up. Still, I wouldn't be without
it.

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Re: Virtual Folder Refresh?

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 6:44 PM or thereabouts, Marck D.
Pearlstone wrote the following about Virtual Folder Refresh?:

CM I'm still relatively new to using the mail ticker's "virtual
CM folder" to read my mail ... is there no way to refresh the
CM virtual folder as new mail arrives, short of shutting it down and
CM reopening it?

Marck Sadly - no. Another lament of mine about the ticker virtual
Marck view is that colour filtrations don't show up. Still, I
Marck wouldn't be without it.

Well, I didn't use it until recently (when the settings for position,
font, etc., finally were "sticky" ... before that it was too much of a
pain resetting my preferences every time), but I'm hooked on it.  I
rarely open the main program window any longer.

It would be nice if the ticker, and the associated virtual folder,
were fleshed out a bit, yes.  (And while I'm waxing hopeful on the
subject, a little cosmetic ability to change the background and font
colors, as well as the font itself, would be nice.)  I assume this has
already all been added to the official "wish" list.

Chuck
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