Re[2]: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
Hi Roelof Sunday, August 24, 2003, 5:49:34 PM, you wrote: RO> Yep, until the next time ZA's config got corrupted. Happened quite a RO> few times for me. Most of the time creating problems with other RO> programs than TB, since TB only connects local on my system. (Local RO> mailserver.) I see. I'll give it a shot then. Thanks for the tip Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
Hallo Vishal, On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:35:27 -0400GMT (24-8-03, 23:35 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO>> The problems I had were easily solved by deleting the RO>> config and start ZA again and after a day or two all necessary RO>> programs had been entered again. V> Interesting. I'm using ZA and having problems too, but I've learned to live with V> it. After you delete the config and all the necessary programs had been entered, V> did TB work fine with ZA? Yep, until the next time ZA's config got corrupted. Happened quite a few times for me. Most of the time creating problems with other programs than TB, since TB only connects local on my system. (Local mailserver.) But I've switched to Kerio and don't regret that. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
Hi Roelof Saturday, August 23, 2003, 8:30:35 PM, you wrote: RO> The problems I had were easily solved by deleting the RO> config and start ZA again and after a day or two all necessary RO> programs had been entered again. Interesting. I'm using ZA and having problems too, but I've learned to live with it. After you delete the config and all the necessary programs had been entered, did TB work fine with ZA? Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: blah! (No need to post this)
On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 9:43:45 PM, I received a message in which you wrote: (Text not relevant to my reply may have been snipped.) > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Hi Stan, > @22-Aug-2003, 20:58 -0500 (02:58 UK time) Stan Robins [SR] in > mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: SR>> No doubt asked and answered before, but could you give an SR>> example of a macro that puts the link to the original message SR>> into the reply preamble? > I use this quick template: > ,--/ MSGID \-- > | mid:%SETPATTREGEXP=";<(.*)>"%REGEXPMATCH="%OMSGID" > `-8<- > - -- > Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator > TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Thanks for the tip. It was very educational and I appreciate it. -- Stan Robins Mendota Heights, MN Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat, 1.62r www.ritlabs.com * If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? --Steven Wright * Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:20:42 AM (GMT -05:00) RE: "blah!" Greetings io219, On Friday, August 22, 2003, 7:55:26 PM, you wrote: io219> Regardless, when I read that, I just sighed. I guess it's funny in a satanic io219> sorta way, but it gets old, especially when you experience the same from io219> most companies. RIT support is similarly horrid, except the people I was io219> talking to either cannot understand english very well or use that io219> possibility as a ploy to increase the users chance of giving up, much like io219> my younger sister doing the dishes in such a fucked up manner that my io219> parents were wary to ask her to do them again, she did it on purpose. Support raises the cost of an application. The_Bat! is a very powerful and INEXPENSIVE MUA for just that reason. RITLabs consists of developers and coders. Being as technical support is done by members (volunteers) who support The_Bat! and RITLabs in this arena The_Bat! remains at reasonable cost. There are many here (including myself) who have not utilized another MUA besides The_Bat! for quite a number of years. Very little, unless it's a programming issue, can we NOT assist you with or figure out. BTW, I find your use of the word f* both offensive and well out of context. You are a business man? io219> RIT support is similar to that of an open source project. I did not realize io219> that previously, so I was mailing them directly expecting quality e-mail io219> support, when I should have been asking the devout users on these lists. Exactly. See above. In closing the most intelligent people currently are NOT those that know everything but those that know where to look to get an answer. Also you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Two good lessons a young business man, such as yourself, should follow. Sorry to the rest of you on TBUDL. Moderators; I will now shut up! Anyway ... - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Crime, Sex, Alcohol, Drugs...Boy do I love Congress! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 iQA/AwUBP0iiarwi09Hs/j+VEQLY2gCePRIRoo9+rUhAbXvyd0MM1aqDO8YAniLL ki8DAW9CiIjiRaR6s4/rDQMS =67cu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
Hallo danger, On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:10:51 -0400GMT (23-8-03, 14:10 +0200, where I live), you wrote: dh> Excuse me but what problems does ZA have with The Bat? I am using ZA dh> here. ZA can cause problems for TB by disabling Internet access for TB. Most people experiencing ZA vs TB problems were using NTFS partitions, so it might be related. ZA has problems with a corrupting config file, at least all versions I used had this problem. It's prone to forget to save modifications to the config. Especially when it's running long sessions (continuously running pc's). The problems I had were easily solved by deleting the config and start ZA again and after a day or two all necessary programs had been entered again. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danger H, [DH] wrote: DH> Excuse me but what problems does ZA have with The Bat? I am using ZA DH> here. ZA is particularly notorious for cause connectivity problems with TB!. The reports are many and I had my own personal experience with it and ended up uninstalling it. The thing is that not everyone experiences these problems. Additionally, the problems don't always start immediately after installing ZA or TB! and it's this particular point that made my experience so miserable. They were working fine together and then the problems started. It therefore took me a long time to pin down the cause. I just never suspected ZA. Be that as it may, like myself, those who reported these problems also cured their problems by switching to another firewall. You may just be one of the fortunates who has been doing ok with it. The problems seem to be more common with NT based systems and for those who keep their machines running for extended periods between reboots. I think I'd still be using ZA if I rebooted my machine daily since my problems with it were always cured with a reboot and the problems would restart after a few days without rebooting. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP0e5n1fJ62ArBxfiEQLcXwCfUEVo+1JH0FanNLZjGfBYLnQrCOEAoMNY TBP5B4NNFB7zbp4VmZtJ/8mu =khVA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Krister, @23-Aug-2003, 14:00 +0200 (13:00 UK time) Krister Ekstrom [KE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP>> Any AV software or firewall software in use locally? KE> Please reply off-list if you feel this begins to drift off into KE> the OT-zone, but are there other firewall software besides ZA KE> that is known to cause problems with TB? Only ZA has been reported as giving problems to TB (and other software). I use Kerio myself. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP0d+eznkJKuSnc2gEQLXUQCdF4dWb0oMnCHmpqOkPeI4pnw+smEAoNDv i3gmeJ2aaAW/haJFFgXRySRG =N0ok -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
At 8:10 AM on 8/23/2003, danger h typed ... d> Excuse me but what problems does ZA have with The Bat? I am using ZA d> here. So am I, but I've occasionally seen a problem. TB will try to check mail and ZA will begin using 99.9% of system resources. Occasionally the ZA process can be killed, but often the computer must be powered off. The current version of ZA seems to have resolved the problem and support at Zone Labs is generally willing to work with users to track down the problem. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 8/23/2003 at 8:32 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Direct: 614-785-9359 & 614-324-7818 Cell: 614-893-4151 Fax: 877-870-4892 Random thought: It works better if you plug it in -- unless it's the cat. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
Hello Krister, -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Saturday, August 23, 2003, 8:00:22 AM, you wrote: KE> Please reply off-list if you feel this begins to drift off into the KE> OT-zone, but are there other firewall software besides ZA that is known KE> to cause problems with TB? KE> - -- Excuse me but what problems does ZA have with The Bat? I am using ZA here. - -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP0dZvnrWNKgp50M4EQIEAACfTahzaP0dKU2P3PwmG5Rm03yTlngAnRmA aW5/xno1k35IuHY/qikHiRoq =qtJs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
firewall software and TB, was Re: blah!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22 Aug 2003 23:52:21 (my local time 23 aug 2003 00:52:21), you typed: MDP> Any AV software or firewall software in use MDP> locally? Please reply off-list if you feel this begins to drift off into the OT-zone, but are there other firewall software besides ZA that is known to cause problems with TB? - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.0 Beta/1, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/R1dtODlJeoMTOQsRApb0AJsGqPBDXGHvROUWnYW1bRF9rE8WXgCbBqQO Dc7Ay0bQjs61Gt6Mk9r6J/o= =oodY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > --> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:27:42 PM, you wrote: >> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit >> had problems reproducing this bug. > You know of this problem? Yes. > You were somehow involved in attempting to fix it? No. > Yes, bugs can sometimes be difficult to reproduce, especially when > networking is involved. I don't know how they fix it, I don't have > the code. Me neither. But if you leave your mails on the server for some days you should try to change that setting to »Delete received messages from server«. I'm not saying that there will be no more problems, but don't be surprised if things get better. One (or two?) users reported this as a working workaround... just try it. -- Carsten Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo io219, On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:53:42 -0500GMT (22-8-03, 21:53 +0200, where I live), you wrote: icn> 2) keyboard shortcuts are not being saved, wah! Did you per chance restore your TB-accounts from a CD-ROM archive after some when installing TB again? When the file shortcut.cfg has the read-only flag set, you can't edit it. The default location for that file is: C:\Program File\The Bat!\Mail\Shortcut.CFG If that isn't the case. What OS are you using? Do you have access rights to that folder and not only it's subfolders? Is there any reason you OS would limit your access to that file/folder? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Stan, @22-Aug-2003, 20:58 -0500 (02:58 UK time) Stan Robins [SR] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: SR> No doubt asked and answered before, but could you give an SR> example of a macro that puts the link to the original message SR> into the reply preamble? I use this quick template: ,--/ MSGID \-- | mid:%SETPATTREGEXP=";<(.*)>"%REGEXPMATCH="%OMSGID" `-8<- - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP0bU5DnkJKuSnc2gEQKY5QCdH+Yvcqtp72GRYtYaMVRrfrg/dg8Anjz/ PCeQxC54hJTfJI5WA2ELN0Ab =m4Y0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Mark: On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 3:43:38 PM, I received a message in which you wrote: (Text not relevant to my reply may have been snipped.) > @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in > mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: No doubt asked and answered before, but could you give an example of a macro that puts the link to the original message into the reply preamble? This feature was news to me. Thanks. -- Stan Robins Mendota Heights, MN Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat, 1.62r www.ritlabs.com * Golf is a game in which you yell fore, shoot six and write down five. - Paul Harvey * Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Io219, @22-Aug-2003, 18:30 -0500 (00:30 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> I think an anonymous coward like you... I> ... f*** you too b***. Such flagrant flouting of the list rules has only one response. Bye-bye Mr io219 (whoever you may be). However ... it must be said ... Carsten - that *was* more than a tad personal, also against list rules. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP0a0nznkJKuSnc2gEQJ1PQCgqCrrsyJS1btlTFNCJhXqMKmcpyIAoKNs E6p0hTA5XW31ackmWIzN9f/V =PboL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: blah!
--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:36:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I>>> No, one is my ISP, comcast, MDP>> Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a MDP>> failed download session? > Hahahahaha! Excuse my laughing Marck, but Comcast, according to my US > friends, probably can't even spell the word technical. They are one > of the, if not the worst, providers in the US. If you need support, they are horrible, but horrible support is nearly expected. One huge aspect of my business is excellent support, and part of that excellent support is provided by The Bat! ;-) Regardless, when I read that, I just sighed. I guess it's funny in a satanic sorta way, but it gets old, especially when you experience the same from most companies. RIT support is similarly horrid, except the people I was talking to either cannot understand english very well or use that possibility as a ploy to increase the users chance of giving up, much like my younger sister doing the dishes in such a fucked up manner that my parents were wary to ask her to do them again, she did it on purpose. RIT support is similar to that of an open source project. I did not realize that previously, so I was mailing them directly expecting quality e-mail support, when I should have been asking the devout users on these lists. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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At 7:30 PM on 8/22/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed ... >> I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not >> try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming >> please make sure that you filled in your real name into the >> appropriate field of your mail program. i> I don't like that, I prefer e-mail addresses and setup my client to show me i> just e-mail addresses all the same. But since you're calling me names, fuck i> you too bitch. No real conviction there, but I guess that's what you wanted. My, my. Go wash your fingers, little fellow. Any while you're at it, see if you can dislodge that boulder from your shoulder. -- Bill Blinn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 8/22/2003 at 7:43 PM William Blinn Communications, Columbus, Ohio Direct: 614-785-9359 & 614-324-7818 Cell: 614-893-4151 Fax: 877-870-4892 Random thought: If you underestimate protocol, you've never had a cat. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: blah!
Hello Carsten, >> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has >> happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many >> times. Oddly, the support personnel I have always been in contact >> with suck. > I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not > try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming > please make sure that you filled in your real name into the > appropriate field of your mail program. Agreed! -- Best regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: blah!
Hello Marck, Friday, August 22, 2003, 11:52:21 PM, you wrote: I>> No, one is my ISP, comcast, MDP> Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a MDP> failed download session? Hahahahaha! Excuse my laughing Marck, but Comcast, according to my US friends, probably can't even spell the word technical. They are one of the, if not the worst, providers in the US. -- Best regards, malexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:27:42 PM, you wrote: > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in >> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the >> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck. > I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not > try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming > please make sure that you filled in your real name into the > appropriate field of your mail program. I don't like that, I prefer e-mail addresses and setup my client to show me just e-mail addresses all the same. But since you're calling me names, fuck you too bitch. No real conviction there, but I guess that's what you wanted. And, the support personnel did indeed suck. I have the transcripts if you want to start an inquisition, they're quite hilarious. *shrug* > You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit > had problems reproducing this bug. You know of this problem? You were somehow involved in attempting to fix it? Yes, bugs can sometimes be difficult to reproduce, especially when networking is involved. I don't know how they fix it, I don't have the code. I'm willing to work with them, as was attempted many times over the years. There's always a limit. >> These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told >> simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced >> them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told >> vehemently that others have not experienced them. > A lot of people experienced the »hanging« connection center, > including me. And it is very annoying indeed. I am using v2 beta now > and had no connection center trouble for quite some beta versions. I > don't know what changed, if it's TB! or something else... I've upgraded to 2.0 beta 3 as well and will certainly continue to report this problem if it occurs in 2.0 beta 3. And if it does not, they've fixed it quietly and I will not be terribly surprised, just bitter. -Tomi Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:52:21 PM, you wrote: > Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a > failed download session? I don't even know if it is failing. The Bat! does, and others have experience the same. What should I do which does not involve any of my ISP's next time this occurs to possibly at least isolate the problem to a specific ISP. ISP, Internet Service Provider. Under this term I include the internet service which grants me general access to the internet via digital cable and modem as well as the internet services provided to me by school and corporate sources as necessary, as well as those internet services provided to me by the provider of my own website hosting. Just to clarify. > Are you using IMAP or POP3? Standard port settings? Any SSL or > authentication involved? Any AV software or firewall software in use > locally? POP3, standard port, no SSL, no AV, no firewall. Problem has occurred for quite some time in many versions of 1.x. Problem has occurred for other users I never knew of until today. Problem has occurred across many reformats and on multiple machines. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:21:19 PM, you wrote: > On August 22, 5:12 pm you wrote: >>> No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a >>> folder by clicking on that link. >> >> Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely distracting. > You shouldn't need 2.0 to get that feature... it's been in there for a > while. Just double click on the mid: link, and if it cannot find the email > in the folder you're in, it'll prompt you for other folders you might want > to search. Well for some reason I didn't see it as a blue link. I got 2.0 and now I do. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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* [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in > most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the > support personnel I have always been in contact with suck. I think an anonymous coward like you, [EMAIL PROTECTED], should not try to classify anyone as a »sucking« one. Next time you try flaming please make sure that you filled in your real name into the appropriate field of your mail program. > 1) Mail stops being retrieved. In the old days before I bitched about this a > ton, we didn't get the "Some Tasks are still Active, quit when they are > done" message, we just didn't get anything and killed the process. They > obviously know what the hell is going on because they added that dialog. My > best guess, since they seem incapable of coming up with one, is that the > retrieval thread is being `de-synched` when a server is slow, for whatever > reason, perhaps it is slow enough that the timeout has elapsed AFTER a new > retrieval is supposed to begin. IE, a timeout occurs 90 seconds after an > attempt, but the retrievals are supposed to occur every 60 seconds. You are absolutely right, this should be fixed. But how? IIRC Rit had problems reproducing this bug. > These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told > simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced > them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told > vehemently that others have not experienced them. A lot of people experienced the »hanging« connection center, including me. And it is very annoying indeed. I am using v2 beta now and had no connection center trouble for quite some beta versions. I don't know what changed, if it's TB! or something else... -- Carsten Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Io219, @22-Aug-2003, 17:12 -0500 (23:12 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a folder >> by clicking on that link. I> Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely I> distracting. Not really - It's been a TB feature since late in the 1.5x series. >> Are these your own mail servers? I> No, one is my ISP, comcast, Do they have any technical support that could give you a log of a failed download session? I> the other is with a respected webhost. Are you using IMAP or POP3? Standard port settings? Any SSL or authentication involved? Any AV software or firewall software in use locally? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP0aeqDnkJKuSnc2gEQJV2gCeJr/zB27k/2rHffk/NDUlqoQ7KikAniJr C2wj/BlRNMDG4OskHjmb3cht =ICY3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On August 22, 5:12 pm you wrote: >> No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a >> folder by clicking on that link. > > Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely distracting. You shouldn't need 2.0 to get that feature... it's been in there for a while. Just double click on the mid: link, and if it cannot find the email in the folder you're in, it'll prompt you for other folders you might want to search. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 4:40:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a folder > by clicking on that link. Guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.0, but it's still strangely distracting. > Are these your own mail servers? Do you have access to the logs on the > servers? If so, it may be beneficial to expose a critical trace of the > stuck transaction for the experts on the TBTECH mailing list to comment > on. No, one is my ISP, comcast, the other is with a respected webhost. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Io219, @22-Aug-2003, 15:55 -0500 (21:55 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in >> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I> ^- bored? No, just courteous. TB is able to trace the original message in a folder by clicking on that link. >> Do you use ZoneAlarm? I> No. Straight to the mail servers. ZoneAlarm is a client-side software firewall known to stall TB's communications. Are these your own mail servers? Do you have access to the logs on the servers? If so, it may be beneficial to expose a critical trace of the stuck transaction for the experts on the TBTECH mailing list to comment on. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP0aNsznkJKuSnc2gEQLzagCgyJ3alUEcz9gcwR7oqdhL/+vketgAoKyJ j5i/qMn4N7y5cycHr6o7RR5b =v6JN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 3:43:38 PM, you wrote: > @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in > mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ^- bored? >>> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has >>> happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it >>> many times... > Do you use ZoneAlarm? No. Straight to the mail servers. Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Io219, @22-Aug-2003, 14:59 -0500 (20:59 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [I] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has >> happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it >> many times... Do you use ZoneAlarm? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.0 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBP0aAfDnkJKuSnc2gEQIDNgCg2ob3OGaQxidjXcLa6d/TV6Jv8jEAoMLF cg2HmdF37OO/skREMColBuL8 =xnJ8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Tomi, Friday, August 22, 2003, 2:53:42 PM, you wrote: icn> I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in icn> most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the icn> support personnel I have always been in contact with suck. I used to have that problem occasionally. It seemed to be a problem with one particular email on the server. I would note where the DL stopped and then go out and delete the offending email and then things would work fine. Since I started using the beta version for 1.63 I have not had this particular problem manifest and it has been quite some time now. So you might want to give this a try. Can't address your shortcut issue, though. Sorry. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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--> Friday, August 22, 2003, 2:53:42 PM, you wrote: > I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in > most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the > support personnel I have always been in contact with suck. One more thing, killing the process makes my life even more hellish because I lose folders quite often and have to use that magic lost folders repair shortcut, I'm not even sure if it exists in the menus. I wish I could just lop off parts of TB I don't use. They get in the way and make me think they are the cause of some problems in other places. -Tomi Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the support personnel I have always been in contact with suck. They told me to turn off folder compression, so I did, and it had no effect, but damn I considered it a strange reply. Anyway, the problem is that mail stops being received. Hilariously, I see this EXACT problem as the reason some people have expressed they did not evaluate The Bat! for very long. Even more hilariously, they also mention the other main problem I have, keyboard shortcuts not being saved. Explaining to support that keyboard shortcut edits are not being saved turned out to be beyond futile, presumably because of a language barrier. You edit them, you click ok, you go back, they are not what you just changed them to. I must have explained this in over a dozen ways. So, my problems are 1) Mail stops being retrieved. In the old days before I bitched about this a ton, we didn't get the "Some Tasks are still Active, quit when they are done" message, we just didn't get anything and killed the process. They obviously know what the hell is going on because they added that dialog. My best guess, since they seem incapable of coming up with one, is that the retrieval thread is being `de-synched` when a server is slow, for whatever reason, perhaps it is slow enough that the timeout has elapsed AFTER a new retrieval is supposed to begin. IE, a timeout occurs 90 seconds after an attempt, but the retrievals are supposed to occur every 60 seconds. 2) keyboard shortcuts are not being saved, wah! These problems have existed in many versions, I won't accept being told simply to upgrade, and I could care less if others have not experienced them. I have never reported any bug or slew of bugs without being told vehemently that others have not experienced them. I am angry because I have spent... maybe 40-100 hours on all of these problems and some related ones in my history with The Bat!, it reminds me of a bad open source application in this regard. High TCO. I am evaluating Becky, but it misses just BARELY in some esoteric, but very important features I am afraid. Perhaps the plugin system can overcome that. I also wonder how well designed the plugin system for TB is. After all, you can damn near say every Windows application has a plugin system by way of catching Win32 messages and the like. Winamp's plugin system is an example of this farce, I wonder if Becky or The Bat's are. -Tomi Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
